Comments on: Miracles for Sale? http://www.beenthinking.org/2008/03/25/miracles-part-2/ with Mart De Haan and Friends Fri, 19 Mar 2010 14:18:35 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Rev. Glenn http://www.beenthinking.org/2008/03/25/miracles-part-2/#comment-312 Rev. Glenn Sat, 29 Mar 2008 01:02:20 +0000 http://www.beenthinking.org/2008/03/25/miracles-part-2/#comment-312 The early Church called these special requests-indulgences. As the are today, corruption overflowed. When will man realize that compremise with God is a no win proposition. Mart, I appreciate you voice. Your topics stir my soul. May God continue to see into His heart. The early Church called these special requests-indulgences. As the are today, corruption overflowed. When will man realize that compremise with God is a no win proposition.
Mart, I appreciate you voice. Your topics stir my soul. May God continue to see into His heart.

]]> By: bitreaper http://www.beenthinking.org/2008/03/25/miracles-part-2/#comment-297 bitreaper Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:47:13 +0000 http://www.beenthinking.org/2008/03/25/miracles-part-2/#comment-297 It grieves me to see people giving money away to those who promise that God will "listen more" to those that do. What really makes me sad is that when these things don't come through, those who were taken in the scam are injured in their faith. We as believers must speak against this practice, as it is evil perpetrated against our brothers and sisters who don't know better or are hurting. It's evil because it takes advantage of the naive and the downtrodden. I believe God does want his believers to sacrifice and give of themselves. But I don't believe it's always in monetary forms. He can require you to help your neighbor by giving time to babysit her kids, or help clean another's house. Whatever God calls us to do, that is our sacrifice. Sometimes it is money, as in the tithes. But to be led into thinking that the Miracles of God are released by your giving of money is deplorable, and those that preach such messages should be decried by the body of believers. Mart, thanks for standing up and saying this in such eloquent terms. You probably reached more people than I would with my "brick in the face" style of confrontation. Keep at it! It grieves me to see people giving money away to those who promise that God will “listen more” to those that do. What really makes me sad is that when these things don’t come through, those who were taken in the scam are injured in their faith. We as believers must speak against this practice, as it is evil perpetrated against our brothers and sisters who don’t know better or are hurting. It’s evil because it takes advantage of the naive and the downtrodden.

I believe God does want his believers to sacrifice and give of themselves. But I don’t believe it’s always in monetary forms. He can require you to help your neighbor by giving time to babysit her kids, or help clean another’s house. Whatever God calls us to do, that is our sacrifice. Sometimes it is money, as in the tithes. But to be led into thinking that the Miracles of God are released by your giving of money is deplorable, and those that preach such messages should be decried by the body of believers.

Mart, thanks for standing up and saying this in such eloquent terms. You probably reached more people than I would with my “brick in the face” style of confrontation. Keep at it!

]]> By: Debee http://www.beenthinking.org/2008/03/25/miracles-part-2/#comment-285 Debee Wed, 26 Mar 2008 23:21:55 +0000 http://www.beenthinking.org/2008/03/25/miracles-part-2/#comment-285 These people that are missleading hurting people by asking them to send $ for miracles are just lining their own pocket. Yes, hurting people are vulnerable and it is a shame that the love of our Lord is being misrepresented in this way. That would be like a loving parent asking his children for money for their needs when the parent has all the money anyway. The Lord and His Love, can not be bought with money, He gives freely when we ask, as He sees fit. These people that are missleading hurting people by asking them to send $ for miracles are just lining their own pocket. Yes, hurting people are vulnerable and it is a shame that the love of our Lord is being misrepresented in this way. That would be like a loving parent asking his children for money for their needs when the parent has all the money anyway. The Lord and His Love, can not be bought with money, He gives freely when we ask, as He sees fit.

]]> By: brownsfan1642 http://www.beenthinking.org/2008/03/25/miracles-part-2/#comment-284 brownsfan1642 Wed, 26 Mar 2008 18:59:31 +0000 http://www.beenthinking.org/2008/03/25/miracles-part-2/#comment-284 I agree with B Murphy that the Bible is key to discerning in these kinds of matters. We must also recognize that many of the people promising miracles (sometimes for a "fee") are basing what they say on the Bible (wrongly presented). For people who are not biblically solid, it can be very misleading. I agree with B Murphy that the Bible is key to discerning in these kinds of matters. We must also recognize that many of the people promising miracles (sometimes for a “fee”) are basing what they say on the Bible (wrongly presented). For people who are not biblically solid, it can be very misleading.

]]> By: B Murphy http://www.beenthinking.org/2008/03/25/miracles-part-2/#comment-277 B Murphy Wed, 26 Mar 2008 12:10:28 +0000 http://www.beenthinking.org/2008/03/25/miracles-part-2/#comment-277 As you have said this problem has always been with us. That is why we have to pray for our church leaders everyday. Satan is skillful at turning good to bad, but God is perfect at turning bad to wonderful. Thanks be to God. God has created us all with his gifts for us to have unique lives. If you want to read a book to receive a miracle in your life, read the bible. In submitting our will to His with a humble heart every moment of every day is a miracle because we have found peace in the midst of turmoil. Unfortunately we live in a society of instant fixes, leaving us vulnerable to these sort of deceptions. As you have said this problem has always been with us. That is why we have to pray for our church leaders everyday. Satan is skillful at turning good to bad, but God is perfect at turning bad to wonderful. Thanks be to God. God has created us all with his gifts for us to have unique lives. If you want to read a book to receive a miracle in your life, read the bible. In submitting our will to His with a humble heart every moment of every day is a miracle because we have found peace in the midst of turmoil. Unfortunately we live in a society of instant fixes, leaving us vulnerable to these sort of deceptions.

]]> By: Gale L. Jarvis http://www.beenthinking.org/2008/03/25/miracles-part-2/#comment-276 Gale L. Jarvis Wed, 26 Mar 2008 10:57:43 +0000 http://www.beenthinking.org/2008/03/25/miracles-part-2/#comment-276 Mart i want to stop and thank you as well as thank the Lord for begining a great tool of growth for this bolg as it is called. did not want to get into it yesterday concerning Miracles, but i believe God never changes, and even though i am nearly 75 years young, i was diagnosed last Nov. with A.L.S. there is no know cure for this disease, but a good friend is a clinical specialist, and he believes i could be filled with toxic metals and toxic minerals, because as a machine operator for G. M. for 30 years, and then after retiring, continued to work in machine shops with toxic metals for another 25 years, if i begin detoxing my body this could be God's way of not only healing me, but giving to the world at least one cure for A.L.S. God works in mysterious ways, i do not fear death, nor am i desiring to prolong death, God has giving me an abundant life for many years, and i am ready and desiring for Jesus to return, or take me from this life, but even if i must suffer death in this manner, i desire to stand beside Job, and believe God desires for me to know that God is God in the good times as well as the bad, and even this will work out for good. Mart i want to stop and thank you as well as thank the Lord for begining a great tool of growth for this bolg as it is called. did not want to get into it yesterday concerning Miracles, but i believe God never changes, and even though i am nearly 75 years young, i was diagnosed last Nov. with A.L.S. there is no know cure for this disease, but a good friend is a clinical specialist, and he believes i could be filled with toxic metals and toxic minerals, because as a machine operator for G. M. for 30 years, and then after retiring, continued to work in machine shops with toxic metals for another 25 years, if i begin detoxing my body this could be God’s way of not only healing me, but giving to the world at least one cure for A.L.S. God works in mysterious ways, i do not fear death, nor am i desiring to prolong death, God has giving me an abundant life for many years, and i am ready and desiring for Jesus to return, or take me from this life, but even if i must suffer death in this manner, i desire to stand beside Job, and believe God desires for me to know that God is God in the good times as well as the bad, and even this will work out for good.

]]> By: hal.fshr http://www.beenthinking.org/2008/03/25/miracles-part-2/#comment-275 hal.fshr Wed, 26 Mar 2008 10:49:57 +0000 http://www.beenthinking.org/2008/03/25/miracles-part-2/#comment-275 I couldn't agree with you more on the need for discernment concerning the claims of those who offer healing in exchange for money. Those who are ill or injured are in a place of great vulnerability. While God is able to heal, He does not always chose to do so. 2 Corinthians 1:3-5 seems to indicate we are afflicted in order to offer comfort to others who suffer. We need a good theology of suffering. I couldn’t agree with you more on the need for discernment concerning the claims of those who offer healing in exchange for money. Those who are ill or injured are in a place of great vulnerability. While God is able to heal, He does not always chose to do so. 2 Corinthians 1:3-5 seems to indicate we are afflicted in order to offer comfort to others who suffer. We need a good theology of suffering.

]]> By: percy172 http://www.beenthinking.org/2008/03/25/miracles-part-2/#comment-273 percy172 Wed, 26 Mar 2008 06:01:31 +0000 http://www.beenthinking.org/2008/03/25/miracles-part-2/#comment-273 God can not be reduced to our limited thinking by using His holy name and performing so called miracles for money. As we read in Acts 8 : 9 - 25, Simon the sorcerer wanted to buy the gift of giving the Holy Spirit when he lays his hand on people. He thot the Holy Spirit of God can be bought and sold to whom ever he wanted to. If we trust God to perform miracle when we pray, then why should we sell miracles for money? Wont the same God to whom we pray provide our needs too? God is no man's debtor, He would meet the need of His servants who serve in His name. God can not be reduced to our limited thinking by using His holy name and performing so called miracles for money. As we read in Acts 8 : 9 – 25, Simon the sorcerer wanted to buy the gift of giving the Holy Spirit when he lays his hand on people. He thot the Holy Spirit of God can be bought and sold to whom ever he wanted to. If we trust God to perform miracle when we pray, then why should we sell miracles for money? Wont the same God to whom we pray provide our needs too? God is no man’s debtor, He would meet the need of His servants who serve in His name.

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