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		<title>By: poohpity</title>
		<link>http://www.beenthinking.org/2008/03/27/marital-abuse-the-bible/#comment-10162</link>
		<dc:creator>poohpity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 15:50:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do not think so and here is why. The bible tells us many times that husbands are to care for their wives as for their own bodies. It also says repeatedly to love others as you love yourself. With many more references to how to care and love each other. If a person loves another then they are going to seek the best for that person and emotional or physical abuse is not loving. Even the God of all creation gave His life for those He loved and there was no condemnation in Him. If He then is our example then abuse is not right.

I have suffered physical and emotional abuse from both parents. I love and honor them but I did not spend a lot of time around them. My mother just passed away this year and my dad is in the hospital getting part of his lung removed. I do loving things toward them but I do not need to be around them when they begin emotional abuse. The bible says to love others as yourself and if you saw a friend being abused what would you tell them. Then follow the advice you would give them. We are told to hold each other accountable when we sin and anger especially when it hurts another person is a sin.

In a marriage each person is to sacrifice their needs for the needs of others just like every human being is to do to each other. It also says to think of others more highly than yourself it does not say however to hang around and day after day allow someone to rip you apart. In a marriage two people are to be best friends would your best friend do harm to you if so then maybe they are not your best friend.

It is very scary to leave something one gets used to but the Lord will give you strength to change because He loves you and cares for you. On this site there is now help. http://blog.helpformylife.org/ get some good advice and learn what it truly means to love someone what you are living is not love.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not think so and here is why. The bible tells us many times that husbands are to care for their wives as for their own bodies. It also says repeatedly to love others as you love yourself. With many more references to how to care and love each other. If a person loves another then they are going to seek the best for that person and emotional or physical abuse is not loving. Even the God of all creation gave His life for those He loved and there was no condemnation in Him. If He then is our example then abuse is not right.</p>
<p>I have suffered physical and emotional abuse from both parents. I love and honor them but I did not spend a lot of time around them. My mother just passed away this year and my dad is in the hospital getting part of his lung removed. I do loving things toward them but I do not need to be around them when they begin emotional abuse. The bible says to love others as yourself and if you saw a friend being abused what would you tell them. Then follow the advice you would give them. We are told to hold each other accountable when we sin and anger especially when it hurts another person is a sin.</p>
<p>In a marriage each person is to sacrifice their needs for the needs of others just like every human being is to do to each other. It also says to think of others more highly than yourself it does not say however to hang around and day after day allow someone to rip you apart. In a marriage two people are to be best friends would your best friend do harm to you if so then maybe they are not your best friend.</p>
<p>It is very scary to leave something one gets used to but the Lord will give you strength to change because He loves you and cares for you. On this site there is now help. <a href="http://blog.helpformylife.org/" rel="nofollow">http://blog.helpformylife.org/</a> get some good advice and learn what it truly means to love someone what you are living is not love.</p>
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		<title>By: fifipoodle</title>
		<link>http://www.beenthinking.org/2008/03/27/marital-abuse-the-bible/#comment-10160</link>
		<dc:creator>fifipoodle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 13:05:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know if I&#039;m saying too much or if I&#039;ll get a response, but here goes:

My dad has always been verbally and emotionally abusive to my family. However, he&#039;s never physically abused us. The verbal and emotional abuse has done plenty of damage though: I&#039;ve had suicidal thoughts since I was 9, and my mom and sis have had them as well for who knows how long. Plus a myriad of other...mental/depression-related symptoms. My mom always thought divorce was like the &quot;unforgivable sin&quot; and that she was just supposed to &quot;submit&quot;, so she never left him.
Well...my dad&#039;s sort of improved. A few years ago they became missionaries and still are. We recently moved to a different city, and things have been HORRIBLE. My dad has become very verbally and emotionally abusive and I&#039;m barely hanging on. My mom basically lost her sanity last week one night and almost tried to commit suicide because of him, but he stopped her. Is this just spiritual warfare? Should my mom stay with my dad? I&#039;m so confused! God called them to be missionaries, but I don&#039;t know how long my mom can last with him! I don&#039;t know how long I can last! Would it really be a horrible sin if she left him..?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know if I&#8217;m saying too much or if I&#8217;ll get a response, but here goes:</p>
<p>My dad has always been verbally and emotionally abusive to my family. However, he&#8217;s never physically abused us. The verbal and emotional abuse has done plenty of damage though: I&#8217;ve had suicidal thoughts since I was 9, and my mom and sis have had them as well for who knows how long. Plus a myriad of other&#8230;mental/depression-related symptoms. My mom always thought divorce was like the &#8220;unforgivable sin&#8221; and that she was just supposed to &#8220;submit&#8221;, so she never left him.<br />
Well&#8230;my dad&#8217;s sort of improved. A few years ago they became missionaries and still are. We recently moved to a different city, and things have been HORRIBLE. My dad has become very verbally and emotionally abusive and I&#8217;m barely hanging on. My mom basically lost her sanity last week one night and almost tried to commit suicide because of him, but he stopped her. Is this just spiritual warfare? Should my mom stay with my dad? I&#8217;m so confused! God called them to be missionaries, but I don&#8217;t know how long my mom can last with him! I don&#8217;t know how long I can last! Would it really be a horrible sin if she left him..?</p>
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		<title>By: poohpity</title>
		<link>http://www.beenthinking.org/2008/03/27/marital-abuse-the-bible/#comment-10159</link>
		<dc:creator>poohpity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 03:36:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jasonangie2,

I know you did not ask for a reply. I would like to say that many Christians are not perfect so please do not base you faith on us but on only what Jesus did on the Cross for all of us. I will pray for the Lord&#039;s protection from your dad&#039;s abuse and to bless you for your kindness. I think you did very good by setting boundaries for them, good job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jasonangie2,</p>
<p>I know you did not ask for a reply. I would like to say that many Christians are not perfect so please do not base you faith on us but on only what Jesus did on the Cross for all of us. I will pray for the Lord&#8217;s protection from your dad&#8217;s abuse and to bless you for your kindness. I think you did very good by setting boundaries for them, good job.</p>
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		<title>By: jasonangie2</title>
		<link>http://www.beenthinking.org/2008/03/27/marital-abuse-the-bible/#comment-10158</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 00:02:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am so grateful to read this blog.  My dad is abusive to my mom and myself and my parents have had to move in with me and my family after they went bankrupt and lost there home.  I told them that the abusive behavior would not be tolerated in my home and that they both had to get counseling if they were to live here.  They are now trying to use scripture against me to manipulate me into accepting their abusive behavior.  This made me want nothing to do with Christianity.  I don&#039;t believe the Bible was intended to be used to allow people to abuse others, but my dad is sure trying to twist what is said so that I will submit and accept the abuse.  Reading your article gives me hope, so thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am so grateful to read this blog.  My dad is abusive to my mom and myself and my parents have had to move in with me and my family after they went bankrupt and lost there home.  I told them that the abusive behavior would not be tolerated in my home and that they both had to get counseling if they were to live here.  They are now trying to use scripture against me to manipulate me into accepting their abusive behavior.  This made me want nothing to do with Christianity.  I don&#8217;t believe the Bible was intended to be used to allow people to abuse others, but my dad is sure trying to twist what is said so that I will submit and accept the abuse.  Reading your article gives me hope, so thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: poohpity</title>
		<link>http://www.beenthinking.org/2008/03/27/marital-abuse-the-bible/#comment-7776</link>
		<dc:creator>poohpity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 03:46:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for sharing your struggle with us. With a good counselor there will be no blame assigned to either party only some tools to use to restore which will also include helping each party to look at their own behavior. If each of you wants to put some work into restoration you will and if not then you won&#039;t. Nobody is forced to continue in a marriage that is each persons choice. There are always different options and avenues to pursue. It is usually good to see a counselor together to set goals then do some individual sessions and then back together depending on what you both want to see happen. It is very encouraging to see that you both want counseling because not very many people know what a help counseling can be even if you decide not to stay together but I hope you both can work it out. Anything really good takes a lot of work. God bless you both.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for sharing your struggle with us. With a good counselor there will be no blame assigned to either party only some tools to use to restore which will also include helping each party to look at their own behavior. If each of you wants to put some work into restoration you will and if not then you won&#8217;t. Nobody is forced to continue in a marriage that is each persons choice. There are always different options and avenues to pursue. It is usually good to see a counselor together to set goals then do some individual sessions and then back together depending on what you both want to see happen. It is very encouraging to see that you both want counseling because not very many people know what a help counseling can be even if you decide not to stay together but I hope you both can work it out. Anything really good takes a lot of work. God bless you both.</p>
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		<title>By: debbiet</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 02:23:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow!  This has been really helpful, because I am so CONFUSED!!!!  I was raised in a Christian home.  My father is a retired pastor, and he and my mom have a very peaceful marriage.  My husband was raised in a home with an abusive, alcoholic father - with a great deal of conflict.  His parents divorced when he was 18.  I have been living with what I would call verbal abuse (control, manipulation, emotional and mental badgering, etc.) for 21 years now.  Things hit rock bottom about 10 years ago.  I decided if this was a &quot;godly Christian man&quot; then I didn&#039;t want anything to do with him or God.  After 2 years of no relationship with God, the Lord miraculously drew me back to himself and has given me a hunger and thirst to know him and his word.  I thought things with my husband had been better, but I am realizing now that I had just hardened my heart - numbing myself to the pain - and had really divorced him in my heart and mind 10 years ago.  I have been praying for wisdom and can see where I am to blame in much of this.  My husband says I don&#039;t want to spend time with him or communicate with him.  He&#039;s right, but it&#039;s only because I&#039;ve been hurt so much that I&#039;m afraid to spend time with him - things always turn ugly, and even though I WANT to do the right thing - to have a godly, healthy marriage, I&#039;m scared to trust him.  We are going to begin counseling, but my greatest fear is that the counselor will agree with my husband (He says I&#039;M the abuser.)  I think I would go insane if this happened.  Our 20 year old son has suffered much through all of this - he has a poor relationship with his dad and sees the need for counseling. He was very rebellious and had problems with drug abuse, but the Marine Corps has done wonders for him.  We also have 3 daughters, and I worry that they will end up with men like their dad.  My husband is a wonderful father and provider - but as the kids have hit their teen years, he has continued to &quot;overparent&quot; creating much stress for us all.  He &quot;parents&quot; me.  It gets crazy.  I can&#039;t really put it into words.  He tells me I don&#039;t know what &quot;abuse&quot; is (because he never hits me).  I wan&#039;t to be forgiving, but usually saying &quot;I&#039;m sorry&quot; seems to give him a clean slate for dishing out more abuse.  If he read this, he would say I&#039;m being melodramatic - that I&#039;m the one causing him to suffer.  I&#039;m very confused, but the Lord has given me much joy and has been a faithful source of comfort and blessing.  My church is very supportive.  I know I have much to change, because I&#039;m &quot;indifferent&quot; to him most of the time, but if there is no change after counseling, I&#039;m ready to separate from him.  (He would say I&#039;m overreacting and accusing him of abuse as a cover-up for the fact that I never really loved him.)  Even now, he&#039;s back in bed alone as I write this and will say I&#039;m neglecting him - or that I&#039;ve abandoned him.  I really don&#039;t think that&#039;s true, but my once hard-heart has been made soft and tender again by the Holy Spirit, and I&#039;m just being self-protective right now.  I guess I should trust God to protect me.  I know I&#039;m rambling in circles. My husband is open to counseling and wants to get help.  We need an objective outsider to show us both our blind spots.  I know this will help, but again, I&#039;m just scared that I&#039;ll come out looking like it&#039;s &quot;all my fault&quot; because even if it is, I can&#039;t take any more of this - but if we divorced, he&#039;d probably stalk me - it would probably be worse.  I feel better just writing this all out and am trusting the Lord to guide my steps.  He has been so faithful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow!  This has been really helpful, because I am so CONFUSED!!!!  I was raised in a Christian home.  My father is a retired pastor, and he and my mom have a very peaceful marriage.  My husband was raised in a home with an abusive, alcoholic father &#8211; with a great deal of conflict.  His parents divorced when he was 18.  I have been living with what I would call verbal abuse (control, manipulation, emotional and mental badgering, etc.) for 21 years now.  Things hit rock bottom about 10 years ago.  I decided if this was a &#8220;godly Christian man&#8221; then I didn&#8217;t want anything to do with him or God.  After 2 years of no relationship with God, the Lord miraculously drew me back to himself and has given me a hunger and thirst to know him and his word.  I thought things with my husband had been better, but I am realizing now that I had just hardened my heart &#8211; numbing myself to the pain &#8211; and had really divorced him in my heart and mind 10 years ago.  I have been praying for wisdom and can see where I am to blame in much of this.  My husband says I don&#8217;t want to spend time with him or communicate with him.  He&#8217;s right, but it&#8217;s only because I&#8217;ve been hurt so much that I&#8217;m afraid to spend time with him &#8211; things always turn ugly, and even though I WANT to do the right thing &#8211; to have a godly, healthy marriage, I&#8217;m scared to trust him.  We are going to begin counseling, but my greatest fear is that the counselor will agree with my husband (He says I&#8217;M the abuser.)  I think I would go insane if this happened.  Our 20 year old son has suffered much through all of this &#8211; he has a poor relationship with his dad and sees the need for counseling. He was very rebellious and had problems with drug abuse, but the Marine Corps has done wonders for him.  We also have 3 daughters, and I worry that they will end up with men like their dad.  My husband is a wonderful father and provider &#8211; but as the kids have hit their teen years, he has continued to &#8220;overparent&#8221; creating much stress for us all.  He &#8220;parents&#8221; me.  It gets crazy.  I can&#8217;t really put it into words.  He tells me I don&#8217;t know what &#8220;abuse&#8221; is (because he never hits me).  I wan&#8217;t to be forgiving, but usually saying &#8220;I&#8217;m sorry&#8221; seems to give him a clean slate for dishing out more abuse.  If he read this, he would say I&#8217;m being melodramatic &#8211; that I&#8217;m the one causing him to suffer.  I&#8217;m very confused, but the Lord has given me much joy and has been a faithful source of comfort and blessing.  My church is very supportive.  I know I have much to change, because I&#8217;m &#8220;indifferent&#8221; to him most of the time, but if there is no change after counseling, I&#8217;m ready to separate from him.  (He would say I&#8217;m overreacting and accusing him of abuse as a cover-up for the fact that I never really loved him.)  Even now, he&#8217;s back in bed alone as I write this and will say I&#8217;m neglecting him &#8211; or that I&#8217;ve abandoned him.  I really don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s true, but my once hard-heart has been made soft and tender again by the Holy Spirit, and I&#8217;m just being self-protective right now.  I guess I should trust God to protect me.  I know I&#8217;m rambling in circles. My husband is open to counseling and wants to get help.  We need an objective outsider to show us both our blind spots.  I know this will help, but again, I&#8217;m just scared that I&#8217;ll come out looking like it&#8217;s &#8220;all my fault&#8221; because even if it is, I can&#8217;t take any more of this &#8211; but if we divorced, he&#8217;d probably stalk me &#8211; it would probably be worse.  I feel better just writing this all out and am trusting the Lord to guide my steps.  He has been so faithful.</p>
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		<title>By: Charis</title>
		<link>http://www.beenthinking.org/2008/03/27/marital-abuse-the-bible/#comment-6260</link>
		<dc:creator>Charis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 00:26:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know this is an old thread, but it ties in with the latest discussion... I saw it on the bottom under &quot;Most Talked About&quot;  More great insight here!  

Gale Jarvis&#039; testimony in comment 3 was very moving!  Every church needs to hear honest humble heartfelt testimonies like his!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know this is an old thread, but it ties in with the latest discussion&#8230; I saw it on the bottom under &#8220;Most Talked About&#8221;  More great insight here!  </p>
<p>Gale Jarvis&#8217; testimony in comment 3 was very moving!  Every church needs to hear honest humble heartfelt testimonies like his!</p>
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		<title>By: christianobserver</title>
		<link>http://www.beenthinking.org/2008/03/27/marital-abuse-the-bible/#comment-5885</link>
		<dc:creator>christianobserver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 03:12:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I must write that I agree only 99% with Mart&#039;s blog.  Here is the 1% I disagree with:

&quot;It is the Word of God that teaches us to allow for the dissolution of marriages that have ceased to exist for the purpose they were formed.&quot;

Jesus made only ONE exception for divorce:  Marital unfaithfulness (Matthew 19:4-9, NIV).  Taking into account Malachi 2:13-16, to have &quot;broken faith with her&quot; by &quot;covering himself (footnote reads &quot;his wife&quot;) with violence&quot; is definitely marital unfaithfulness, and is clearly not Christ-like!  Your quote above can easily be loosely interpreted, as any marriage could be dissolved for any reason that could be argued as a valid reason to render the union as outside its purpose.
Some examples:  &quot;Burnt toast&quot; and trivial matters, as well as financial matters (She outearns me and that threatens my role as the husband!), plus immature power struggles, and the list could go on and on.  I&#039;m mighty glad Jesus put the brakes on divorce, Old Testament-style!

off-topic, but briefly -- We are not to conform to this world, nor the things that are of it, and I believe that also means not mistaking fitting the world into the scriptures as new revelation!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I must write that I agree only 99% with Mart&#8217;s blog.  Here is the 1% I disagree with:</p>
<p>&#8220;It is the Word of God that teaches us to allow for the dissolution of marriages that have ceased to exist for the purpose they were formed.&#8221;</p>
<p>Jesus made only ONE exception for divorce:  Marital unfaithfulness (Matthew 19:4-9, NIV).  Taking into account Malachi 2:13-16, to have &#8220;broken faith with her&#8221; by &#8220;covering himself (footnote reads &#8220;his wife&#8221;) with violence&#8221; is definitely marital unfaithfulness, and is clearly not Christ-like!  Your quote above can easily be loosely interpreted, as any marriage could be dissolved for any reason that could be argued as a valid reason to render the union as outside its purpose.<br />
Some examples:  &#8220;Burnt toast&#8221; and trivial matters, as well as financial matters (She outearns me and that threatens my role as the husband!), plus immature power struggles, and the list could go on and on.  I&#8217;m mighty glad Jesus put the brakes on divorce, Old Testament-style!</p>
<p>off-topic, but briefly &#8212; We are not to conform to this world, nor the things that are of it, and I believe that also means not mistaking fitting the world into the scriptures as new revelation!</p>
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		<title>By: suelee23</title>
		<link>http://www.beenthinking.org/2008/03/27/marital-abuse-the-bible/#comment-5882</link>
		<dc:creator>suelee23</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 02:53:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you so much for your clarification of many Biblical passages that have many times been mis-
understood, taken out of context, or just used as a 
&quot;club&quot;. These words are desperately needed because I
believe that there are many women sitting in our church pews that are being verbally abused at home but feel they have no recourse.  After all, there are no &quot;visible&quot; bruises!  Having been divorced for about five years, I know what it is like to be &quot;shunned&quot; as
it were, by your church. It was some of your publi-cations that helped me to see the truth and realize that I had not committed the &quot;unpardonable sin&quot;!!!
Thank you again and I do pray God&#039;s blessing upon you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you so much for your clarification of many Biblical passages that have many times been mis-<br />
understood, taken out of context, or just used as a<br />
&#8220;club&#8221;. These words are desperately needed because I<br />
believe that there are many women sitting in our church pews that are being verbally abused at home but feel they have no recourse.  After all, there are no &#8220;visible&#8221; bruises!  Having been divorced for about five years, I know what it is like to be &#8220;shunned&#8221; as<br />
it were, by your church. It was some of your publi-cations that helped me to see the truth and realize that I had not committed the &#8220;unpardonable sin&#8221;!!!<br />
Thank you again and I do pray God&#8217;s blessing upon you.</p>
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		<title>By: Golda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Golda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 09:23:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article. I fully agree. Thanks. God Bless You.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article. I fully agree. Thanks. God Bless You.</p>
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