Comments on: The Promise http://www.beenthinking.org/2008/04/12/the-promise/ with Mart De Haan and Friends Thu, 18 Mar 2010 18:06:28 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Mart De Haan http://www.beenthinking.org/2008/04/12/the-promise/#comment-535 Mart De Haan Sun, 13 Apr 2008 11:23:20 +0000 http://www.beenthinking.org/2008/04/12/the-promise/#comment-535 zaner, I have met followers of Christ among those who are of Jewish and Palestinian origin. While they are very aware of injustices done to their own people, these individuals long for peace, care, and long for the salvation of people on both sides. My concern is that we can unintentionally add to the conflict by siding politically with one side or another. We can even be unintentionally helping them to trust "friends in the West" rather than God to be their source of peace and protection. Those on both sides need to see us representing-- as you indicate-- a great mission/commission to tell people on all sides of every conflict-- how much Christ paid to end our wars with God and one another. I also believe that Gale is right that real peace and a final solution will only exist under the rule of Christ in the next age, but allowing Christ to rule in the kingdom of our heart now can make a huge difference in every kind of conflict wherever and whenever it exists. zaner, I have met followers of Christ among those who are of Jewish and Palestinian origin. While they are very aware of injustices done to their own people, these individuals long for peace, care, and long for the salvation of people on both sides.

My concern is that we can unintentionally add to the conflict by siding politically with one side or another. We can even be unintentionally helping them to trust “friends in the West” rather than God to be their source of peace and protection.

Those on both sides need to see us representing– as you indicate– a great mission/commission to tell people on all sides of every conflict– how much Christ paid to end our wars with God and one another.

I also believe that Gale is right that real peace and a final solution will only exist under the rule of Christ in the next age, but allowing Christ to rule in the kingdom of our heart now can make a huge difference in every kind of conflict wherever and whenever it exists.

]]> By: zaner http://www.beenthinking.org/2008/04/12/the-promise/#comment-532 zaner Sun, 13 Apr 2008 04:37:20 +0000 http://www.beenthinking.org/2008/04/12/the-promise/#comment-532 I am somewhat overwhelmed by the level of intellect displayed by the other respondents. But what it all boils down to for me is The Great Commission. We as followers of Christ are to minister and evangalize to all unbelievers alike. Do the Jewish people accept Christ as the risen savior? Do the Palestinians? Does Your neighbor next door? I honestly Believe in my heart that all parties involved accepted Christ as their risen savior the conflict would cease to exist. Am I wrong? Please correct me if I am. Your brother in Christ I am somewhat overwhelmed by the level of intellect displayed by the other respondents. But what it all boils down to for me is The Great Commission. We as followers of Christ are to minister and evangalize to all unbelievers alike. Do the Jewish people accept Christ as the risen savior? Do the Palestinians? Does Your neighbor next door?
I honestly Believe in my heart that all parties involved accepted Christ as their risen savior the conflict would cease to exist. Am I wrong? Please correct me if I am.

Your brother in Christ

]]> By: Mart De Haan http://www.beenthinking.org/2008/04/12/the-promise/#comment-528 Mart De Haan Sat, 12 Apr 2008 21:40:01 +0000 http://www.beenthinking.org/2008/04/12/the-promise/#comment-528 Hey, you guys are good sports today-- working through and commenting on my too long post :-). Hey, you guys are good sports today– working through and commenting on my too long post :-).

]]> By: daisymarygoldr http://www.beenthinking.org/2008/04/12/the-promise/#comment-527 daisymarygoldr Sat, 12 Apr 2008 21:10:07 +0000 http://www.beenthinking.org/2008/04/12/the-promise/#comment-527 Conflicts should not beset a Christian during these times because Christ asked us not to be distressed. Even as we pray for the peace of Jerusalem we should not get caught up ‘unawares’ in this whole pseudo-peace movement involving the Middle East (Jeremiah 6:14). The Bible reveals that along with the rest of the world, Israel herself will be deceived into this temporary peace-like situation. It is inevitable for Israel to experience the birth pains (Matt 24:8) and the terrible days of ‘Jacob’s trouble’. God will eventually see through this whole ‘fiery trial’ process to bring forth the remnant who have faithfully waited for their Messiah (Zech 13:8-9). The promise for restoration does not apply to the entire present-day nation of sinning Israel but it also does not imply ruling out the literal Jewish people (Rom 11:28). Therefore, to the Jew or to the gentile the solution to ultimate peace is none other than Jesus Christ the Prince of Peace (Revelation 19:11-16). Likewise, the followers of Christ should seek to meet the needs of the afflicted on both sides of this conflict. Conflicts should not beset a Christian during these times because Christ asked us not to be distressed. Even as we pray for the peace of Jerusalem we should not get caught up ‘unawares’ in this whole pseudo-peace movement involving the Middle East (Jeremiah 6:14). The Bible reveals that along with the rest of the world, Israel herself will be deceived into this temporary peace-like situation. It is inevitable for Israel to experience the birth pains (Matt 24:8) and the terrible days of ‘Jacob’s trouble’. God will eventually see through this whole ‘fiery trial’ process to bring forth the remnant who have faithfully waited for their Messiah (Zech 13:8-9). The promise for restoration does not apply to the entire present-day nation of sinning Israel but it also does not imply ruling out the literal Jewish people (Rom 11:28). Therefore, to the Jew or to the gentile the solution to ultimate peace is none other than Jesus Christ the Prince of Peace (Revelation 19:11-16). Likewise, the followers of Christ should seek to meet the needs of the afflicted on both sides of this conflict.

]]> By: Gale L. Jarvis http://www.beenthinking.org/2008/04/12/the-promise/#comment-526 Gale L. Jarvis Sat, 12 Apr 2008 20:50:54 +0000 http://www.beenthinking.org/2008/04/12/the-promise/#comment-526 Mart, Wow a lot of reading you put before us, and a lot of think about this very important time period we are in. As we have mentioned before there will not be real peace until the 1000 year reign, but i am fully convinced the Lord desires for me to pray for those in my family, friends, my Pastor, our President, the many leaders of our country, and others as i see their needs every day, but i must ask the Holy Spirit to make intercessions for me in this small group, because i do not know how to pray. Praying for every one i know i should is some thing i know i fail at, and i must admit praying for the Jews, or the Palistinians, Iranians, Mexicans, and many other people in other countries is some thing i just cannot get a handle on doing very much because i believe the majority of the news media talks about what ever they desire for me to believe, and it seems to continually get worse, i just do not have the desernment to know who is telling the truth. Mart, Wow a lot of reading you put before us, and a lot of think about this very important time period we are in.
As we have mentioned before there will not be real peace until the 1000 year reign, but i am fully convinced the Lord desires for me to pray for those in my family, friends, my Pastor, our President, the many leaders of our country, and others as i see their needs every day, but i must ask the Holy Spirit to make intercessions for me in this small group, because i do not know how to pray.
Praying for every one i know i should is some thing i know i fail at, and i must admit praying for the Jews, or the Palistinians, Iranians, Mexicans, and many other people in other countries is some thing i just cannot get a handle on doing very much because i believe the majority of the news media talks about what ever they desire for me to believe, and it seems to continually get worse, i just do not have the desernment to know who is telling the truth.

]]> By: Your Love Inspires http://www.beenthinking.org/2008/04/12/the-promise/#comment-525 Your Love Inspires Sat, 12 Apr 2008 20:21:44 +0000 http://www.beenthinking.org/2008/04/12/the-promise/#comment-525 I am so happy to hear someone bring Christ centered wisdom to a long standing misunderstanding of Scripture. There is so much said in many prominent Television Ministry's that at very least, is very misguided in it's school of thought and at the very worst, a ploy of satan for division of God's people as well as a rallying cry for monetary support. The Holy Spirit of Jesus is all about restoration, plain and simple, leaving NO ONE out of the chance to enter His sheep fold. Anything that says otherwise is contrary to the teachings in The New Testament. From the apparent approval of "waterboarding" recently by a well known member of the Christian community to the use of the war on terror as a vehicle for spreading the Gospel as I have heard over the last few years is a travesty for our faith that is based on The Prince of Peace. What does our God, who went to The Cross for our restoration say about loving our enemies? Let us all come together as Christian's and love our neighbors as ourselves, being examples of God's love in action, seeking the world wide restoration truly in His name. I am so happy to hear someone bring Christ centered wisdom to a long standing misunderstanding of Scripture. There is so much said in many prominent Television Ministry’s that at very least, is very misguided in it’s school of thought and at the very worst, a ploy of satan for division of God’s people as well as a rallying cry for monetary support.
The Holy Spirit of Jesus is all about restoration, plain and simple, leaving NO ONE out of the chance to enter His sheep fold. Anything that says otherwise is contrary to the teachings in The New Testament. From the apparent approval of “waterboarding” recently by a well known member of the Christian community to the use of the war on terror as a vehicle for spreading the Gospel as I have heard over the last few years is a travesty for our faith that is based on The Prince of Peace. What does our God, who went to The Cross for our restoration say about loving our enemies? Let us all come together as Christian’s and love our neighbors as ourselves, being examples of God’s love in action, seeking the world wide restoration truly in His name.

]]> By: misterb http://www.beenthinking.org/2008/04/12/the-promise/#comment-522 misterb Sat, 12 Apr 2008 16:43:56 +0000 http://www.beenthinking.org/2008/04/12/the-promise/#comment-522 I have to admit my own ignorance about the truths on either side in the Middle East. I cannot possibly decide, at least in my own head, who should have the blame finger pointed at them. I have to admit that while I am concerned about what is happening "Over There", especially with the involvement of our young military men and women who are fighting in the Middle East, my grandest concern is how these same young men and women are treated here in the United States. We still have to get matters right in our own country before we can point at who is to blame in the Middle East. Let the truths be told, our own Christian brothers and sisters here in America are struggling and feeling the pains from the cowardly and inappropriate sin caused by the ruthless hands of our fellow citizens. If we cannot enjoy peace in our own country, a slim chance exists that we will be able to help others in making peace with one another in their country. Seemingly, we are involved in one of those "Plank In Your Own Eye" stories in the bible. I have to admit my own ignorance about the truths on either side in the Middle East. I cannot possibly decide, at least in my own head, who should have the blame finger pointed at them. I have to admit that while I am concerned about what is happening “Over There”, especially with the involvement of our young military men and women who are fighting in the Middle East, my grandest concern is how these same young men and women are treated here in the United States. We still have to get matters right in our own country before we can point at who is to blame in the Middle East. Let the truths be told, our own Christian brothers and sisters here in America are struggling and feeling the pains from the cowardly and inappropriate sin caused by the ruthless hands of our fellow citizens. If we cannot enjoy peace in our own country, a slim chance exists that we will be able to help others in making peace with one another in their country. Seemingly, we are involved in one of those “Plank In Your Own Eye” stories in the bible.

]]> By: poohpity http://www.beenthinking.org/2008/04/12/the-promise/#comment-521 poohpity Sat, 12 Apr 2008 16:32:26 +0000 http://www.beenthinking.org/2008/04/12/the-promise/#comment-521 I am so there with you and I believe that any Christian who has a one on one with God will our spirits testify together to the truth (as one). I am so there with you and I believe that any Christian who has a one on one with God will our spirits testify together to the truth (as one).

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