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		<title>By: BibleDon</title>
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		<title>By: foreverblessed</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 19:44:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It took me some time to read the review. 
 
But after what you wrote, I read this today, and felt the urge to show it here.
I will put it here not to minimise the seriousness of sin, God cannot see sin. He is too holy. Sin is sin, and we must be cleansed of sin.
But God gives it freely, and we can freely accept it. We do not have to accept it, and so will remain in our sin.
Neither does this text say that we will remain as we are, when we accept Christ. 


the morning meditation of october 22, CH Spurgeon
&quot;I will love them freely&quot;
Hosea 14:4
This sentence is a body of divinity in miniature. He who understands its meaning is a theologian, and he who can dive into its fulness is a true master in Israel. It is a condensation of the glorious message of salvation which was delivered to us in Christ Jesus our Redeemer. The sense hinges upon the word “freely.” This is the glorious, the suitable, the divine way by which love streams from heaven to earth, a spontaneous love flowing forth to those who neither deserved it, purchased it, nor sought after it. It is, indeed, the only way in which God can love such as we are. The text is a death-blow to all sorts of fitness: “I will love them freely.” Now, if there were any fitness necessary in us, then he would not love us freely; at least, this would be a mitigation and a drawback to the freeness of it. But it stands, “I will love you freely.” We complain, “Lord, my heart is so hard.” “I will love you freely.” “But I do not feel my need of Christ as I could wish.” “I will not love you because you feel your need; I will love you freely.” “But I do not feel that softening of spirit which I could desire.” Remember, the softening of spirit is not a condition, for there are no conditions; the covenant of grace has no conditionality whatever; so that we without any fitness may venture upon the promise of God which was made to us in Christ Jesus, when he said, “He that believeth on him is not condemned.” It is blessed to know that the grace of God is free to us at all times, without preparation, without fitness, without money, and without price! “I will love them freely.” These words invite backsliders to return: indeed, the text was specially written for such—“I will heal their backsliding; I will love them freely.” Backslider! surely the generosity of the promise will at once break your heart, and you will return, and seek your injured Father’s face.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It took me some time to read the review. </p>
<p>But after what you wrote, I read this today, and felt the urge to show it here.<br />
I will put it here not to minimise the seriousness of sin, God cannot see sin. He is too holy. Sin is sin, and we must be cleansed of sin.<br />
But God gives it freely, and we can freely accept it. We do not have to accept it, and so will remain in our sin.<br />
Neither does this text say that we will remain as we are, when we accept Christ. </p>
<p>the morning meditation of october 22, CH Spurgeon<br />
&#8220;I will love them freely&#8221;<br />
Hosea 14:4<br />
This sentence is a body of divinity in miniature. He who understands its meaning is a theologian, and he who can dive into its fulness is a true master in Israel. It is a condensation of the glorious message of salvation which was delivered to us in Christ Jesus our Redeemer. The sense hinges upon the word “freely.” This is the glorious, the suitable, the divine way by which love streams from heaven to earth, a spontaneous love flowing forth to those who neither deserved it, purchased it, nor sought after it. It is, indeed, the only way in which God can love such as we are. The text is a death-blow to all sorts of fitness: “I will love them freely.” Now, if there were any fitness necessary in us, then he would not love us freely; at least, this would be a mitigation and a drawback to the freeness of it. But it stands, “I will love you freely.” We complain, “Lord, my heart is so hard.” “I will love you freely.” “But I do not feel my need of Christ as I could wish.” “I will not love you because you feel your need; I will love you freely.” “But I do not feel that softening of spirit which I could desire.” Remember, the softening of spirit is not a condition, for there are no conditions; the covenant of grace has no conditionality whatever; so that we without any fitness may venture upon the promise of God which was made to us in Christ Jesus, when he said, “He that believeth on him is not condemned.” It is blessed to know that the grace of God is free to us at all times, without preparation, without fitness, without money, and without price! “I will love them freely.” These words invite backsliders to return: indeed, the text was specially written for such—“I will heal their backsliding; I will love them freely.” Backslider! surely the generosity of the promise will at once break your heart, and you will return, and seek your injured Father’s face.</p>
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		<title>By: poohpity</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 17:30:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very good review of the book and very thorough. On the bottom of the page we are able to see recent comments. It would be nice to hear more from you.</description>
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		<title>By: BibleDon</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 16:23:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello? Anybody there? I realize it is far past the original posting date but are you not notified when someone replies?</description>
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		<title>By: BibleDon</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 10:11:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm... out of curiosity I clicked on the Link &quot;The Shack&quot; in your Shack review. I thought perhaps it would take me to another rbc page on the subject. Instead I find myself on Amazon.com. I find this bizarre. What exactly is your interest in seeing this book sold???  
Well, since you bounced me there, here is a review from Amazon that expresses better than I was able to what an outrageous insult to God it is that you are promoting this blasphemous book:

A false god, January 7, 2009
By 	PK &quot;Keith&quot; (Flemington, NJ)

The Christian community today desperately needs a literary talent to convey the Christian faith in a compelling way such as C. S. Lewis or John Bunyan did for previous generations. Unfortunately Wm. Paul Young is not that man. I am not qualified to judge its literary quality but by training and vocation I am qualified to speak of its theological content. Unfortunately from that standpoint the book is simply dreadful - and on so many levels that it is difficult to know where to begin. 

What Young attempts is rather audacious. He presumes to put words in the mouth of God - not mere snippets that relate commonly accepted proverbial truths but whole chapters of dialogue in which God tries to enlighten a modern day Job (whose name is Mack) who has experienced an awful tragedy (his young daughter has been abducted and murdered by a sexual predator) regarding the mysterious ways of God. In short, Young attempts to answer Job-like questions - something God Himself refused to do for Job in the Bible - by putting his own speculations into the book&#039;s dialogue as Mack has a weekend long encounter with God in the very shack where his daughter was murdered. 

The result is rather predictable and disappointing. The god of The Shack looks far more like a wish-fulfillment of a postmodern western intellectual than the God revealed in the pages of the Bible. Politically correct sensitivities are duly observed as the trinity revealed in the Shack appears to Mack as `Papa,&#039; a &quot;large beaming African American woman,&quot; (p. 82) `Jesus&#039; a Jewish carpenter and `Sarayu&#039; a spirit-like Asian female. Other left wing sensitivities emerge. `Papa&#039; is clearly anti-gun holding Mack&#039;s at arm&#039;s length between two fingers while disposing of it (pp. 84, 88) and religiously active patriotic Christians are portrayed as sincere but sadly misguided (p. 181). Careful readers will note too that `Jesus&#039; informs Mack that &quot;Marriage is not an institution. It is a relationship.... I don&#039;t create institutions; that&#039;s an occupation for those who want to play God.&quot; (p. 179) Of course, if marriage is not an institution, then we are not bound by the rules of the one who instituted it and if relationship is its essence then logically it would seem that any type of relationship would qualify. Whether he intended it or not, Young&#039;s depiction lends itself to our culture&#039;s attempt to redefine marriage. Whatever else may be said of the god of The Shack, she is up to date - which also means that she will soon be out of date. 

More importantly, Sarayu, in true postmodern fashion, is careful to inform Mack that relationships are never about exercising the will to power over others (p. 106). Indeed, `Papa&#039; is reticent to impose her will on anyone, repeatedly insisting to Mack that he is free to do whatever he likes (pp. 89,182) and that she will proceed on his &quot;terms and time.&quot; (p. 83) In fact, The Shack god takes offense when Mack asks what she expects of him (p. 201). The idea that God might have expectations is even treated as an insult. If this is the same God who spoke through the Old Testament prophets (who had just a few expectations of his people and let them know it) or of the Apostles (who commanded all men everywhere to repent in Acts 17:30) then he has undergone a radical transformation over the centuries. The Shack `Jesus&#039; goes so far as to inform Mack that it would be contrary to love if he were to force his will on him (p. 145) - again, a stark contrast to the Jesus of the Gospels who had no such qualms saying, &quot;If you love me you will obey what I command.&quot; (John 14:15) In fact, biblical love is defined bluntly in terms of obedience. &quot;This is love for God: to obey his commands&quot; (I John 5:3; cf I John 2:3-5). But Sarayu insists that Mack has no rules to follow, is under no law and has no responsibility or expectations (p. 203). In fact, she assures Mack that &quot;I&#039;ve never placed an expectation on you or anyone else... And beyond that, because I have no expectations, you never disappoint me.&quot; (p. 206) Such an all-affirming god may soothe the self-esteem of postmoderns but she bears little resemblance to the God who spoke through Jeremiah or John the Baptist. 

It is true that the New Testament does tell us that we are no longer under the Law of Moses, but it also insists that we are &quot;not free from God&#039;s law but (are) under Christ&#039;s law.&quot; (I Cor. 9:21) And while it is certainly true that we cannot earn God&#039;s favor by keeping rules, it is simply false to say that God has no rules or expectations of His people. A much more accurate representation is to say that when we are transformed by God&#039;s grace, we become a people who desire to do his will, his commands are no longer `burdensome&quot; (I John 5:3) because His law is &quot;written on our hearts.&quot; (Jer. 31:33) This kind of careless theology is dangerous in a culture that is all too eager to cast off any and all restraints and justify its autonomy. 

It should not surprise us then to find that `hierarchy&#039; and `authority&#039; are bad words to the god of The Shack. &quot;Once you have a hierarchy you need rules to protect and administer it, and then you need law and enforcement of the rules, and you end up with some kind of chain of command or a system of order that destroys relationship rather than promotes it. You rarely see or experience relationship apart from power. Hierarchy imposes laws and rules and you end up missing the wonder of relationship that we intended for you.&quot; So the `Jesus&#039; of The Shack informs us (pp. 122-3). But they are words that are hard to reconcile with the real Jesus of the Bible who was not embarrassed to speak in hierarchical terms of his relationship with the Father: &quot;the world must learn that I love the Father and that I do exactly what my Father commands.&quot; (John 14:31) Unlike the biblical Trinity (I Cor. 11:3), there is no hierarchy among the members of The Shack&#039;s trinity who find such a concept incomprehensible (pp. 121-122, 124). In a perfect world, we are told, &quot;there would be no need for hierarchy.&quot; (p. 124) Again, this flies in the face of the biblical depiction of the perfect world God created in the garden of Eden where He commanded Adam and Eve not to take of the fruit of the tree of life. In fact, the fall in Scripture is portrayed as a violation of the hierarchical order that God had established. And paradise in Scripture is only restored when &quot;every knee will bow and ever tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord.&quot; (Phil. 2:10-11) It all sounds rather `hierarchical&#039; to me. 

This is no small error but one that goes to the very heart of true biblical faith. Salvation occurs when the heart of an individual is brought back into loving submission to its proper Master. C.S. Lewis captured the beauty of that concept well when he said that &quot;Equality is a quantitative term and therefore love often knows nothing of it. Authority exercised with humility and obedience accepted with delight are the very lines along which our spirits live.&quot; (Weight of Glory, p. 170) But The Shack is so enamored with postmodern fads that it cannot perceive even the most basic spiritual realities. Significantly, the biblical metaphors for God are all authority figures to whom submission is appropriate and necessary: Father, Shepherd, King, Judge, etc. It is certainly not coincidental that the god of the Shack is portrayed in far more effeminate terms. 

Since authority is jettisoned as unworthy of God, the concept of sin likewise is all but absent. How can we violate the will of a God who has no expectations and is never disappointed? The book speaks much of `brokenness&#039; and of `horrendous and destructive choices&#039; (p. 190) but little about human rebellion and wickedness - even though the story revolves around a horrific crime. The Bible tells us plainly that God &quot;hates&quot; and &quot;abhors&quot; wicked men and judges them accordingly (Ps 5:5-6; 11:5-6; Prov. 3:32-33). Sinners may come to experience the grace of God, but not because they are lovable but in spite of the fact that they are not, because of the sheer greatness of God&#039;s love, not our inherent value or worth (II Kings 17:15). Only one human has ever been truly worthy of God&#039;s love and that is Jesus. God&#039;s grace is dispensed freely to unworthy sinners only by virtue of the fact that they are in the Beloved One (Eph 1:6). But the god of the Shack repeatedly informs Mack that she is `especially fond of&#039; everyone (pp. 118-119) and that as humans, we are &quot;deserving of respect for what you inherently are...&quot; (p. 190) &quot;Guilt&#039;ll never help you find freedom in me&quot; she tells Mack (p. 187) nor does she &quot;do humiliation, or guilt, or condemnation.&quot; (p. 223) She certainly doesn&#039;t &quot;need to punish people for sin&quot; (p. 120 - the only reference to sin that I can remember in the book). In contrast, the God of the Bible, though &quot;slow to anger...will not leave the guilty unpunished.&quot; (Nahum 1:3) He is a god who &quot;will punish those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. They will be punished with everlasting destruction....&quot; (II Thess. 1:8-9) 

Since sin is marginalized, the atoning work of Christ is downplayed as well. We are informed significantly by `Papa&#039; that when Christ cried out on the cross `My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?&#039; he was actually never forsaken at all. He only &quot;felt&quot; abandoned. (p. 96) This subtly drains the cross of its meaning. It implies that Jesus was not actually taking the punishment for our sin which truly does alienate us from God and required that the Father turn His back on the Savior as He bore that sin on the cross. Instead, the meaning of the cross is reduced to Christ&#039;s own subjective spiritual growth - &quot;He found his way through it to put himself completely in my hands. Oh what a moment that was!&quot; says `Papa&#039; (p. 96). When Mack asks specifically what the significance of Christ&#039;s death is, `Papa&#039;s&#039; explanation says nothing of sin, or of God&#039;s wrath (Rom 1:18; Eph 2:3), or of the shedding of blood as an atonement in our place (pp. 191-193). The discussion predictably emphasizes reconciliation since that has to do with relationship and relationship is where its at among postmoderns. But there is no indication that our alienation is due to our real guilt - our violation of God&#039;s Law - i.e. - His expectations of us. The impression we get is that reconciliation is needed not because the holiness of God has been offended but because Mack is &quot;really scared of emotions.&quot; (p. 192) In other words the barrier to relationship is not his guilt, but his own psychological frailty and fear that keeps himself from opening himself up to God&#039;s love. 

Since sin and judgment are underplayed, conversion is not very important to the `Jesus&#039; of The Shack either. Those who love Christ, we are told, come from every religious system that exists including Buddhists, Mormons and Muslims and `Jesus&#039; has &quot;no desire to make them Christian&quot; though he does &quot;want to join them in their transformation into sons and daughters of my Papa, into brothers and sisters, into my beloved.&quot; (p. 182) We are not told how to reconcile these seemingly contradictory statements. At one point, Sophia, a personification of wisdom whom Mack encounters, seems to imply that even the murderer of Mack&#039;s daughter is a child of God and exempt from judgment (pp. 161-2). Admittedly, the dialogue is somewhat cryptic but it implies that God is above condemning sinners. This is certainly a far cry from the clarity of Scripture which warns not to be deceived into thinking that the wicked will inherit the kingdom of God (I Cor 6:9). Sophia&#039;s words at best open us up to just that sort of deception. 

In short, the god of The Shack is a god that is very comfortable and very human (even having accidents in the kitchen!) - Mack feels right at home in their company from the start [at home enough to be openly sarcastic on more than one ocassion]. In contrast, every human-divine encounter recorded in the Bible leaves the human recipient trembling in awesome fear. This alone should alert the reader that something is seriously amiss in Young&#039;s presentation. 

I have just scratched the surface regarding the errors that I encountered in this book but this review is too long already. I have tried to limit myself to the most egregious offenses. Time and space forbid me from addressing numerous problems with regard to his portrayal of the Trinity and the incarnation. Whatever merits the book may have are clearly overshadowed by these serious deficiencies. 

Young&#039;s aim in trying to lead the reader into an encounter with the living God is admirable. And his portrayal is no doubt appealing to people of our generation. Many hearts will be stirred by his sympathetic identification with those suffering from pain and doubts arising from tragedy. But unfortunately the god that Mack meets in The Shack is not the God of the Bible. They are two very different gods and in the end we are forced to choose whether we will submit to the authority of the one true God on His terms as expressed in the very first of the ten commandments: &quot;Thou shalt have no other gods before me&quot; (Ex 20:3) or cast our lot with appealing figment of Young&#039;s imagination.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm&#8230; out of curiosity I clicked on the Link &#8220;The Shack&#8221; in your Shack review. I thought perhaps it would take me to another rbc page on the subject. Instead I find myself on Amazon.com. I find this bizarre. What exactly is your interest in seeing this book sold???<br />
Well, since you bounced me there, here is a review from Amazon that expresses better than I was able to what an outrageous insult to God it is that you are promoting this blasphemous book:</p>
<p>A false god, January 7, 2009<br />
By 	PK &#8220;Keith&#8221; (Flemington, NJ)</p>
<p>The Christian community today desperately needs a literary talent to convey the Christian faith in a compelling way such as C. S. Lewis or John Bunyan did for previous generations. Unfortunately Wm. Paul Young is not that man. I am not qualified to judge its literary quality but by training and vocation I am qualified to speak of its theological content. Unfortunately from that standpoint the book is simply dreadful &#8211; and on so many levels that it is difficult to know where to begin. </p>
<p>What Young attempts is rather audacious. He presumes to put words in the mouth of God &#8211; not mere snippets that relate commonly accepted proverbial truths but whole chapters of dialogue in which God tries to enlighten a modern day Job (whose name is Mack) who has experienced an awful tragedy (his young daughter has been abducted and murdered by a sexual predator) regarding the mysterious ways of God. In short, Young attempts to answer Job-like questions &#8211; something God Himself refused to do for Job in the Bible &#8211; by putting his own speculations into the book&#8217;s dialogue as Mack has a weekend long encounter with God in the very shack where his daughter was murdered. </p>
<p>The result is rather predictable and disappointing. The god of The Shack looks far more like a wish-fulfillment of a postmodern western intellectual than the God revealed in the pages of the Bible. Politically correct sensitivities are duly observed as the trinity revealed in the Shack appears to Mack as `Papa,&#8217; a &#8220;large beaming African American woman,&#8221; (p. 82) `Jesus&#8217; a Jewish carpenter and `Sarayu&#8217; a spirit-like Asian female. Other left wing sensitivities emerge. `Papa&#8217; is clearly anti-gun holding Mack&#8217;s at arm&#8217;s length between two fingers while disposing of it (pp. 84, 88) and religiously active patriotic Christians are portrayed as sincere but sadly misguided (p. 181). Careful readers will note too that `Jesus&#8217; informs Mack that &#8220;Marriage is not an institution. It is a relationship&#8230;. I don&#8217;t create institutions; that&#8217;s an occupation for those who want to play God.&#8221; (p. 179) Of course, if marriage is not an institution, then we are not bound by the rules of the one who instituted it and if relationship is its essence then logically it would seem that any type of relationship would qualify. Whether he intended it or not, Young&#8217;s depiction lends itself to our culture&#8217;s attempt to redefine marriage. Whatever else may be said of the god of The Shack, she is up to date &#8211; which also means that she will soon be out of date. </p>
<p>More importantly, Sarayu, in true postmodern fashion, is careful to inform Mack that relationships are never about exercising the will to power over others (p. 106). Indeed, `Papa&#8217; is reticent to impose her will on anyone, repeatedly insisting to Mack that he is free to do whatever he likes (pp. 89,182) and that she will proceed on his &#8220;terms and time.&#8221; (p. 83) In fact, The Shack god takes offense when Mack asks what she expects of him (p. 201). The idea that God might have expectations is even treated as an insult. If this is the same God who spoke through the Old Testament prophets (who had just a few expectations of his people and let them know it) or of the Apostles (who commanded all men everywhere to repent in Acts 17:30) then he has undergone a radical transformation over the centuries. The Shack `Jesus&#8217; goes so far as to inform Mack that it would be contrary to love if he were to force his will on him (p. 145) &#8211; again, a stark contrast to the Jesus of the Gospels who had no such qualms saying, &#8220;If you love me you will obey what I command.&#8221; (John 14:15) In fact, biblical love is defined bluntly in terms of obedience. &#8220;This is love for God: to obey his commands&#8221; (I John 5:3; cf I John 2:3-5). But Sarayu insists that Mack has no rules to follow, is under no law and has no responsibility or expectations (p. 203). In fact, she assures Mack that &#8220;I&#8217;ve never placed an expectation on you or anyone else&#8230; And beyond that, because I have no expectations, you never disappoint me.&#8221; (p. 206) Such an all-affirming god may soothe the self-esteem of postmoderns but she bears little resemblance to the God who spoke through Jeremiah or John the Baptist. </p>
<p>It is true that the New Testament does tell us that we are no longer under the Law of Moses, but it also insists that we are &#8220;not free from God&#8217;s law but (are) under Christ&#8217;s law.&#8221; (I Cor. 9:21) And while it is certainly true that we cannot earn God&#8217;s favor by keeping rules, it is simply false to say that God has no rules or expectations of His people. A much more accurate representation is to say that when we are transformed by God&#8217;s grace, we become a people who desire to do his will, his commands are no longer `burdensome&#8221; (I John 5:3) because His law is &#8220;written on our hearts.&#8221; (Jer. 31:33) This kind of careless theology is dangerous in a culture that is all too eager to cast off any and all restraints and justify its autonomy. </p>
<p>It should not surprise us then to find that `hierarchy&#8217; and `authority&#8217; are bad words to the god of The Shack. &#8220;Once you have a hierarchy you need rules to protect and administer it, and then you need law and enforcement of the rules, and you end up with some kind of chain of command or a system of order that destroys relationship rather than promotes it. You rarely see or experience relationship apart from power. Hierarchy imposes laws and rules and you end up missing the wonder of relationship that we intended for you.&#8221; So the `Jesus&#8217; of The Shack informs us (pp. 122-3). But they are words that are hard to reconcile with the real Jesus of the Bible who was not embarrassed to speak in hierarchical terms of his relationship with the Father: &#8220;the world must learn that I love the Father and that I do exactly what my Father commands.&#8221; (John 14:31) Unlike the biblical Trinity (I Cor. 11:3), there is no hierarchy among the members of The Shack&#8217;s trinity who find such a concept incomprehensible (pp. 121-122, 124). In a perfect world, we are told, &#8220;there would be no need for hierarchy.&#8221; (p. 124) Again, this flies in the face of the biblical depiction of the perfect world God created in the garden of Eden where He commanded Adam and Eve not to take of the fruit of the tree of life. In fact, the fall in Scripture is portrayed as a violation of the hierarchical order that God had established. And paradise in Scripture is only restored when &#8220;every knee will bow and ever tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord.&#8221; (Phil. 2:10-11) It all sounds rather `hierarchical&#8217; to me. </p>
<p>This is no small error but one that goes to the very heart of true biblical faith. Salvation occurs when the heart of an individual is brought back into loving submission to its proper Master. C.S. Lewis captured the beauty of that concept well when he said that &#8220;Equality is a quantitative term and therefore love often knows nothing of it. Authority exercised with humility and obedience accepted with delight are the very lines along which our spirits live.&#8221; (Weight of Glory, p. 170) But The Shack is so enamored with postmodern fads that it cannot perceive even the most basic spiritual realities. Significantly, the biblical metaphors for God are all authority figures to whom submission is appropriate and necessary: Father, Shepherd, King, Judge, etc. It is certainly not coincidental that the god of the Shack is portrayed in far more effeminate terms. </p>
<p>Since authority is jettisoned as unworthy of God, the concept of sin likewise is all but absent. How can we violate the will of a God who has no expectations and is never disappointed? The book speaks much of `brokenness&#8217; and of `horrendous and destructive choices&#8217; (p. 190) but little about human rebellion and wickedness &#8211; even though the story revolves around a horrific crime. The Bible tells us plainly that God &#8220;hates&#8221; and &#8220;abhors&#8221; wicked men and judges them accordingly (Ps 5:5-6; 11:5-6; Prov. 3:32-33). Sinners may come to experience the grace of God, but not because they are lovable but in spite of the fact that they are not, because of the sheer greatness of God&#8217;s love, not our inherent value or worth (II Kings 17:15). Only one human has ever been truly worthy of God&#8217;s love and that is Jesus. God&#8217;s grace is dispensed freely to unworthy sinners only by virtue of the fact that they are in the Beloved One (Eph 1:6). But the god of the Shack repeatedly informs Mack that she is `especially fond of&#8217; everyone (pp. 118-119) and that as humans, we are &#8220;deserving of respect for what you inherently are&#8230;&#8221; (p. 190) &#8220;Guilt&#8217;ll never help you find freedom in me&#8221; she tells Mack (p. 187) nor does she &#8220;do humiliation, or guilt, or condemnation.&#8221; (p. 223) She certainly doesn&#8217;t &#8220;need to punish people for sin&#8221; (p. 120 &#8211; the only reference to sin that I can remember in the book). In contrast, the God of the Bible, though &#8220;slow to anger&#8230;will not leave the guilty unpunished.&#8221; (Nahum 1:3) He is a god who &#8220;will punish those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. They will be punished with everlasting destruction&#8230;.&#8221; (II Thess. 1:8-9) </p>
<p>Since sin is marginalized, the atoning work of Christ is downplayed as well. We are informed significantly by `Papa&#8217; that when Christ cried out on the cross `My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?&#8217; he was actually never forsaken at all. He only &#8220;felt&#8221; abandoned. (p. 96) This subtly drains the cross of its meaning. It implies that Jesus was not actually taking the punishment for our sin which truly does alienate us from God and required that the Father turn His back on the Savior as He bore that sin on the cross. Instead, the meaning of the cross is reduced to Christ&#8217;s own subjective spiritual growth &#8211; &#8220;He found his way through it to put himself completely in my hands. Oh what a moment that was!&#8221; says `Papa&#8217; (p. 96). When Mack asks specifically what the significance of Christ&#8217;s death is, `Papa&#8217;s&#8217; explanation says nothing of sin, or of God&#8217;s wrath (Rom 1:18; Eph 2:3), or of the shedding of blood as an atonement in our place (pp. 191-193). The discussion predictably emphasizes reconciliation since that has to do with relationship and relationship is where its at among postmoderns. But there is no indication that our alienation is due to our real guilt &#8211; our violation of God&#8217;s Law &#8211; i.e. &#8211; His expectations of us. The impression we get is that reconciliation is needed not because the holiness of God has been offended but because Mack is &#8220;really scared of emotions.&#8221; (p. 192) In other words the barrier to relationship is not his guilt, but his own psychological frailty and fear that keeps himself from opening himself up to God&#8217;s love. </p>
<p>Since sin and judgment are underplayed, conversion is not very important to the `Jesus&#8217; of The Shack either. Those who love Christ, we are told, come from every religious system that exists including Buddhists, Mormons and Muslims and `Jesus&#8217; has &#8220;no desire to make them Christian&#8221; though he does &#8220;want to join them in their transformation into sons and daughters of my Papa, into brothers and sisters, into my beloved.&#8221; (p. 182) We are not told how to reconcile these seemingly contradictory statements. At one point, Sophia, a personification of wisdom whom Mack encounters, seems to imply that even the murderer of Mack&#8217;s daughter is a child of God and exempt from judgment (pp. 161-2). Admittedly, the dialogue is somewhat cryptic but it implies that God is above condemning sinners. This is certainly a far cry from the clarity of Scripture which warns not to be deceived into thinking that the wicked will inherit the kingdom of God (I Cor 6:9). Sophia&#8217;s words at best open us up to just that sort of deception. </p>
<p>In short, the god of The Shack is a god that is very comfortable and very human (even having accidents in the kitchen!) &#8211; Mack feels right at home in their company from the start [at home enough to be openly sarcastic on more than one ocassion]. In contrast, every human-divine encounter recorded in the Bible leaves the human recipient trembling in awesome fear. This alone should alert the reader that something is seriously amiss in Young&#8217;s presentation. </p>
<p>I have just scratched the surface regarding the errors that I encountered in this book but this review is too long already. I have tried to limit myself to the most egregious offenses. Time and space forbid me from addressing numerous problems with regard to his portrayal of the Trinity and the incarnation. Whatever merits the book may have are clearly overshadowed by these serious deficiencies. </p>
<p>Young&#8217;s aim in trying to lead the reader into an encounter with the living God is admirable. And his portrayal is no doubt appealing to people of our generation. Many hearts will be stirred by his sympathetic identification with those suffering from pain and doubts arising from tragedy. But unfortunately the god that Mack meets in The Shack is not the God of the Bible. They are two very different gods and in the end we are forced to choose whether we will submit to the authority of the one true God on His terms as expressed in the very first of the ten commandments: &#8220;Thou shalt have no other gods before me&#8221; (Ex 20:3) or cast our lot with appealing figment of Young&#8217;s imagination.</p>
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		<title>By: BibleDon</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 08:47:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Forgotten &quot;last word&quot; on The Shack:

&quot;Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world.&quot; - 1 John 4:1

&quot;But  I fear, lest somehow, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, so your minds may be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.  For if he who comes preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or if you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted—you may well put up with it!&quot; - 2 Corinthians 11:3-5</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forgotten &#8220;last word&#8221; on The Shack:</p>
<p>&#8220;Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world.&#8221; &#8211; 1 John 4:1</p>
<p>&#8220;But  I fear, lest somehow, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, so your minds may be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.  For if he who comes preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or if you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted—you may well put up with it!&#8221; &#8211; 2 Corinthians 11:3-5</p>
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		<title>By: BibleDon</title>
		<link>http://www.beenthinking.org/2008/08/20/the-shack/#comment-8691</link>
		<dc:creator>BibleDon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 08:13:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear brother DeHaan,
I just read your beenthinkingabout post regarding the book The Shack. The only thing more disappointing than your dangerously mis-leading blog is that in nearly a year you have not discovered your serious error. I have not read very much on your website but this one posting gives me serious concern as to your level of spiritual discernment. You appear to be calling those opposed to this book &quot;shallow&quot;. You thus glibly ridicule and dismiss without consideration the many godly reviewers who do  find this book subversive.  You also seem to imply that the Shack&#039;s many critics are taking things out of context.  
You quote directly from several passages of The Shack to point out some positive aspects of the book. None of these are anything that you could not get out of a basic reading of the Bible.  Not exactly &quot;deep&quot;.  I did not need the Shack to know that god is loving or that he desires relationship not religiosity.   What you do not devote one word to are the parts of the book that reveal W.P. Young&#039;s warped and UN-Biblical theology.  That which IS true and BIblical in the Shack and that which is emotionally moving, is simply the milk that makes it easier to swallow the rat poison. 
For me it was enough to read the passage where the so-called &quot;Jesus&quot; drops a bowl of food and is called &quot;old greasy fingers&quot; and &quot;clumsy&quot; by the two other members of Young&#039;s false trinity.  Apparently that did not bother you at all. The Christ of the Bible holds together the entire universe, from countless sub-atomic particles to billions of galaxies, each having billions of stars. Young&#039;s Christ and apparently yours,  cannot be trusted to walk across a room without dropping something. 
In addition to this deeply insulting portayal of my risen savior and Lord, Young puts words into the mouth of his false god that clearly and openly contradict the Bible. Fairly early in Mack&#039;s encounter with Young&#039;s idolotrous godhead, &quot;Papa&quot; tells him that he, as God does not need to punish sin.  Is this your understanding as well?  Given that as a baseline of W.P. Young&#039;s warped theological perspective, it is easy to understand that he rejects the Biblical concept of Christ&#039;s substitutionary atonement.  This is not just revealed in the Shack&#039;s bizarre insistence that &quot;Papa&quot; bears the scars of Calvary and that he never once left Christ, but Young has openly and clearly stated in numerous interviews that he is quite opposed to any doctine that would have Christ bearing the penalty for his or anyone else&#039;s sins.  
The false god that Young crafts in his book is appealing to many.  He/she is a kind of warm fuzzy teddy bear. Just pull the string and you can hear whatever you want to:
Pull, whir, buzz-  There are no rules.
Pull, whir, buzz-  I NEVER punish.
Pull, whir, buzz-  Sorry.
Pull, whir, buzz-  Church &amp; Bible? BORING!
Pull, whir, buzz-  Oops, clumsy me.
Pull, whir, buzz-   Buy lots more of me and give them away!!

This book stands as the latest in a long line of religious and literary attacks on the Bible, from the DaVinci Code to A Course in Miracles, to the Koran and Book of Mormon.  They all unite to cast Christ  down from His excellence and to attack his finished work on Calvary.  That you can sing its praises and slight its detractors is troubling, deeply troubling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear brother DeHaan,<br />
I just read your beenthinkingabout post regarding the book The Shack. The only thing more disappointing than your dangerously mis-leading blog is that in nearly a year you have not discovered your serious error. I have not read very much on your website but this one posting gives me serious concern as to your level of spiritual discernment. You appear to be calling those opposed to this book &#8220;shallow&#8221;. You thus glibly ridicule and dismiss without consideration the many godly reviewers who do  find this book subversive.  You also seem to imply that the Shack&#8217;s many critics are taking things out of context.<br />
You quote directly from several passages of The Shack to point out some positive aspects of the book. None of these are anything that you could not get out of a basic reading of the Bible.  Not exactly &#8220;deep&#8221;.  I did not need the Shack to know that god is loving or that he desires relationship not religiosity.   What you do not devote one word to are the parts of the book that reveal W.P. Young&#8217;s warped and UN-Biblical theology.  That which IS true and BIblical in the Shack and that which is emotionally moving, is simply the milk that makes it easier to swallow the rat poison.<br />
For me it was enough to read the passage where the so-called &#8220;Jesus&#8221; drops a bowl of food and is called &#8220;old greasy fingers&#8221; and &#8220;clumsy&#8221; by the two other members of Young&#8217;s false trinity.  Apparently that did not bother you at all. The Christ of the Bible holds together the entire universe, from countless sub-atomic particles to billions of galaxies, each having billions of stars. Young&#8217;s Christ and apparently yours,  cannot be trusted to walk across a room without dropping something.<br />
In addition to this deeply insulting portayal of my risen savior and Lord, Young puts words into the mouth of his false god that clearly and openly contradict the Bible. Fairly early in Mack&#8217;s encounter with Young&#8217;s idolotrous godhead, &#8220;Papa&#8221; tells him that he, as God does not need to punish sin.  Is this your understanding as well?  Given that as a baseline of W.P. Young&#8217;s warped theological perspective, it is easy to understand that he rejects the Biblical concept of Christ&#8217;s substitutionary atonement.  This is not just revealed in the Shack&#8217;s bizarre insistence that &#8220;Papa&#8221; bears the scars of Calvary and that he never once left Christ, but Young has openly and clearly stated in numerous interviews that he is quite opposed to any doctine that would have Christ bearing the penalty for his or anyone else&#8217;s sins.<br />
The false god that Young crafts in his book is appealing to many.  He/she is a kind of warm fuzzy teddy bear. Just pull the string and you can hear whatever you want to:<br />
Pull, whir, buzz-  There are no rules.<br />
Pull, whir, buzz-  I NEVER punish.<br />
Pull, whir, buzz-  Sorry.<br />
Pull, whir, buzz-  Church &amp; Bible? BORING!<br />
Pull, whir, buzz-  Oops, clumsy me.<br />
Pull, whir, buzz-   Buy lots more of me and give them away!!</p>
<p>This book stands as the latest in a long line of religious and literary attacks on the Bible, from the DaVinci Code to A Course in Miracles, to the Koran and Book of Mormon.  They all unite to cast Christ  down from His excellence and to attack his finished work on Calvary.  That you can sing its praises and slight its detractors is troubling, deeply troubling.</p>
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		<title>By: Cookie</title>
		<link>http://www.beenthinking.org/2008/08/20/the-shack/#comment-5661</link>
		<dc:creator>Cookie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 00:21:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wanted to share with you that in researching the book The Shack, I found that the names the author used for God were names of goddesses. It add to my question of why so many are accepting the book as good when there are so many areas in which it contradicts the Bible. It takes some really neat truths and adds or subtracts to or from them. But so many are saying the &#039;good&#039; it is bringing about makes it ok... Is that what the Lord teaches us? I must have missed that. I emailed a non-confrontational question asking why the particular names were used for God to Wm Paul Young. He never answered. If you would like the information to check on the names used, let me know. I hope you do. Continuing to pray.  In the Name above all names, Cookie</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wanted to share with you that in researching the book The Shack, I found that the names the author used for God were names of goddesses. It add to my question of why so many are accepting the book as good when there are so many areas in which it contradicts the Bible. It takes some really neat truths and adds or subtracts to or from them. But so many are saying the &#8216;good&#8217; it is bringing about makes it ok&#8230; Is that what the Lord teaches us? I must have missed that. I emailed a non-confrontational question asking why the particular names were used for God to Wm Paul Young. He never answered. If you would like the information to check on the names used, let me know. I hope you do. Continuing to pray.  In the Name above all names, Cookie</p>
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		<title>By: Mart De Haan</title>
		<link>http://www.beenthinking.org/2008/08/20/the-shack/#comment-4535</link>
		<dc:creator>Mart De Haan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 08:25:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>aecann, hey thanks for passing that along. 

I think one analogy might be the high regard many of us have for CS Lewis. As a one time atheist, he has helped so many unbelievers come to faith, and has also helped so many of us think through difficult issues of faith and life. 

Yet, we still have to read him, as we must read all books, with discernment to decide for ourselves what does and does not line up with our best judgment and understanding of Scripture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>aecann, hey thanks for passing that along. </p>
<p>I think one analogy might be the high regard many of us have for CS Lewis. As a one time atheist, he has helped so many unbelievers come to faith, and has also helped so many of us think through difficult issues of faith and life. </p>
<p>Yet, we still have to read him, as we must read all books, with discernment to decide for ourselves what does and does not line up with our best judgment and understanding of Scripture.</p>
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		<link>http://www.beenthinking.org/2008/08/20/the-shack/#comment-4533</link>
		<dc:creator>aecann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 01:59:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mart, I have to say that after reading the forward I tried to remember that this author was putting on paper what another had experienced.  We tend to put God in whatever our box is that we think He should fit into and just being a baby in the Word I sensed clarity in the author&#039;s work and that in itself will clear up questions that people have.  I read &quot;The Shack&quot; several months ago and wondered to whom I should lend it for a really good read.  Well one of my friends at work came in last week and just had to tell me about a book she had just read and how much she had gotten from it.  I was delighted to hear it was The Shack. Other wanted to read the book and even my assistant so she took home and has already read it.  Both women have had great loss in their lives and this book has brought them great clarity and releif and confirmation.  When an author can do that with their words in story then God has blessed the writers hand to get a message out to people who need answers.  I really loved the book and the author for the care with which he wrote it.  It will affect many.  aecann</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mart, I have to say that after reading the forward I tried to remember that this author was putting on paper what another had experienced.  We tend to put God in whatever our box is that we think He should fit into and just being a baby in the Word I sensed clarity in the author&#8217;s work and that in itself will clear up questions that people have.  I read &#8220;The Shack&#8221; several months ago and wondered to whom I should lend it for a really good read.  Well one of my friends at work came in last week and just had to tell me about a book she had just read and how much she had gotten from it.  I was delighted to hear it was The Shack. Other wanted to read the book and even my assistant so she took home and has already read it.  Both women have had great loss in their lives and this book has brought them great clarity and releif and confirmation.  When an author can do that with their words in story then God has blessed the writers hand to get a message out to people who need answers.  I really loved the book and the author for the care with which he wrote it.  It will affect many.  aecann</p>
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