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		<title>By: poohpity</title>
		<link>http://www.beenthinking.org/2008/09/20/truth-and-the-bible/#comment-2654</link>
		<dc:creator>poohpity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 23:34:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So it would be like &quot;The Law&quot; it was good for the reason it opened our eyes to sin yet it is bad because we can not to keep it?

That kept me awake last night trying to see how that would work. I considered truth, is one persons truth different from what someone else would consider truth. Is what I consider good only good to me or is it really good. Is what I consider wrong only wrong to me or is it really wrong. So what someone considers wrong I may feel that it is alright. Am I understanding? This would make a good blog!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So it would be like &#8220;The Law&#8221; it was good for the reason it opened our eyes to sin yet it is bad because we can not to keep it?</p>
<p>That kept me awake last night trying to see how that would work. I considered truth, is one persons truth different from what someone else would consider truth. Is what I consider good only good to me or is it really good. Is what I consider wrong only wrong to me or is it really wrong. So what someone considers wrong I may feel that it is alright. Am I understanding? This would make a good blog!!</p>
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		<title>By: Mart De Haan</title>
		<link>http://www.beenthinking.org/2008/09/20/truth-and-the-bible/#comment-2652</link>
		<dc:creator>Mart De Haan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 21:02:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>poohpity, the Shakespeare quote needs to be focused or limited doesn&#039;t it. 

Interestingly, it sounds a lot like what Paul wrote to the Romans when he said in 14:14, &quot;I know and am convinced by the Lord Jesus that there is nothing unclean of itself; but to him who considers anything to be unclean, to him it is unclean.&quot; In that context, though he was talking about differences of opinion about dietary laws of the clean and unclean foods (i.e. Kosher).

In Paul&#039;s other letters he does write about behaviors that are inherently &quot;unclean,&quot; i.e. greed, covetousness, sexual immorality.&quot;

At the same time I&#039;ll bet a point could be made that all unclean behaviors actually involve a misuse of something good that God has made. In that sense also couldn&#039;t it be said that a wrong attitude, like a bad conscience, is what takes something that God made good and uses it for something harmful.  

Actually, though, I&#039;m just thinking off the top of my head now.. Don&#039;t want to deny the implication of your question which is that somethings (choices, attitudes, behaviors) are not only unclean but evil.

And sorry, plumbape, if I misrepresented your point....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>poohpity, the Shakespeare quote needs to be focused or limited doesn&#8217;t it. </p>
<p>Interestingly, it sounds a lot like what Paul wrote to the Romans when he said in 14:14, &#8220;I know and am convinced by the Lord Jesus that there is nothing unclean of itself; but to him who considers anything to be unclean, to him it is unclean.&#8221; In that context, though he was talking about differences of opinion about dietary laws of the clean and unclean foods (i.e. Kosher).</p>
<p>In Paul&#8217;s other letters he does write about behaviors that are inherently &#8220;unclean,&#8221; i.e. greed, covetousness, sexual immorality.&#8221;</p>
<p>At the same time I&#8217;ll bet a point could be made that all unclean behaviors actually involve a misuse of something good that God has made. In that sense also couldn&#8217;t it be said that a wrong attitude, like a bad conscience, is what takes something that God made good and uses it for something harmful.  </p>
<p>Actually, though, I&#8217;m just thinking off the top of my head now.. Don&#8217;t want to deny the implication of your question which is that somethings (choices, attitudes, behaviors) are not only unclean but evil.</p>
<p>And sorry, plumbape, if I misrepresented your point&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: poohpity</title>
		<link>http://www.beenthinking.org/2008/09/20/truth-and-the-bible/#comment-2646</link>
		<dc:creator>poohpity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 17:10:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>plumbape,

Do you really believe that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>plumbape,</p>
<p>Do you really believe that?</p>
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		<title>By: plumbape</title>
		<link>http://www.beenthinking.org/2008/09/20/truth-and-the-bible/#comment-2640</link>
		<dc:creator>plumbape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 02:40:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is nothing good or bad, it&#039;s thinking that makes it so. Shakespeare
Always one of my favorites. If one believes something is good or bad then that makes it so to that person.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is nothing good or bad, it&#8217;s thinking that makes it so. Shakespeare<br />
Always one of my favorites. If one believes something is good or bad then that makes it so to that person.</p>
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		<title>By: Valkiria</title>
		<link>http://www.beenthinking.org/2008/09/20/truth-and-the-bible/#comment-2639</link>
		<dc:creator>Valkiria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 18:57:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The word of God is living and powerful..&quot; (Hebrews 4:12), and by &quot;living&quot;, I understand that is possible to apply it in all situations. 
Once I quoted Jesus to compare to one of Marx&#039;s teaching and people in the class laughed, like I was crazy!  :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The word of God is living and powerful..&#8221; (Hebrews 4:12), and by &#8220;living&#8221;, I understand that is possible to apply it in all situations.<br />
Once I quoted Jesus to compare to one of Marx&#8217;s teaching and people in the class laughed, like I was crazy!  :D</p>
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		<title>By: Mr.Turniphead</title>
		<link>http://www.beenthinking.org/2008/09/20/truth-and-the-bible/#comment-2638</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr.Turniphead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 17:39:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Apostle Paul warned the Corinthians &quot;...not to go beyond what is written&quot; (I Cor.4:6). The following statement fictitiously quotes Jesus; &quot;I would rather die than live without you!&quot; This is not at all a part of Scripture, but I find that it must be profoundly true, otherwise Jesus would not have come to die in our place that we might live. Paul must not have been prohibiting uninspired teaching or preaching, otherwise it would be completely inappropriate to say anything but to quote Scripture. Preaching &amp; teaching is appropriate, but it must be in line with what the Scriptures teach.  This is what he was commending in the Bereans when they looked carefully through the Scriptures to confirm that what Paul was saying was indeed true (the truth)--Acts 17:11. And this is also a &#039;must&#039; for us!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Apostle Paul warned the Corinthians &#8220;&#8230;not to go beyond what is written&#8221; (I Cor.4:6). The following statement fictitiously quotes Jesus; &#8220;I would rather die than live without you!&#8221; This is not at all a part of Scripture, but I find that it must be profoundly true, otherwise Jesus would not have come to die in our place that we might live. Paul must not have been prohibiting uninspired teaching or preaching, otherwise it would be completely inappropriate to say anything but to quote Scripture. Preaching &amp; teaching is appropriate, but it must be in line with what the Scriptures teach.  This is what he was commending in the Bereans when they looked carefully through the Scriptures to confirm that what Paul was saying was indeed true (the truth)&#8211;Acts 17:11. And this is also a &#8216;must&#8217; for us!</p>
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		<title>By: poohpity</title>
		<link>http://www.beenthinking.org/2008/09/20/truth-and-the-bible/#comment-2637</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 15:10:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have often noticed that even some of the greatest philosophers seem to take words of like Isaiah for instance and used them as their own like da Vinci in his prophecies. 

I also notice that the division in churches take some of the bible and use it to develop their denominations.

I have also noticed that a people group that may have never read the bible still have a part of God in their cultural behaviors. For instance the native americans before western influences. It is all so very interesting to just step back and look how God will be known in all the earth with our help or without. Or even the damage we can cause in the name of God because of wanting to impose our culture on another. By the truth!!

Some say that everyone&#039;s truth is different. I say Blah Blah Blah!! LOL Sometimes we loose it all by not having any truth to stand on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have often noticed that even some of the greatest philosophers seem to take words of like Isaiah for instance and used them as their own like da Vinci in his prophecies. </p>
<p>I also notice that the division in churches take some of the bible and use it to develop their denominations.</p>
<p>I have also noticed that a people group that may have never read the bible still have a part of God in their cultural behaviors. For instance the native americans before western influences. It is all so very interesting to just step back and look how God will be known in all the earth with our help or without. Or even the damage we can cause in the name of God because of wanting to impose our culture on another. By the truth!!</p>
<p>Some say that everyone&#8217;s truth is different. I say Blah Blah Blah!! LOL Sometimes we loose it all by not having any truth to stand on.</p>
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		<title>By: Mart De Haan</title>
		<link>http://www.beenthinking.org/2008/09/20/truth-and-the-bible/#comment-2636</link>
		<dc:creator>Mart De Haan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 11:32:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phillip, you&#039;re right. The play on words was to say: measure all that we hear outside the Bible by comparing it with the Bible-- rather than assuming that only what is in the Bible is true.

As a rule, I find that the Bible can help us find a &quot;seed&quot; of truth in the thinking or &quot;wisdom&quot; of others even if it is only a fragment-- twisted--as when Satan tempted Eve in the Garden. 

The challenge is to use our knowledge of the Bible to see how truth is applied, misapplied, spun, twisted, or fragmented in us-- or in the world around us. For example, in the Lockhorn  &quot;smile&quot; of, &quot;Sure I spend more than you make, I have confidence in you.&quot;, I think the smile is based on the misuse of the truth that i.e. (1) what we do reflects our faith in someone or something, (2) we live from the hand of our Provider, (3) when it comes to our relationship to God, we can act in faith that God will supply--when we need it-- at some time in the future-- more than we are now able to see... Or (4) one of our ever present inclinations is to try to live on our own desires-- without regard for the pattern and boundaries (budget) of God&#039;s provisions.

If you think my examples are a stretch, they may be :-). But, for me, the value of the &quot;thought&quot; is to use the Bible as the reference point for measuring/evaluating all we see and hear around us. At the same time, I&#039;ve found that thinking outside-in also gives us a chance to think over and over, in fresh ways, about the Bible.

The danger of course comes if we take an idea we find outside of the Bible and try to make it our standard of truth. That&#039;s the danger--on the other side of the challenge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phillip, you&#8217;re right. The play on words was to say: measure all that we hear outside the Bible by comparing it with the Bible&#8211; rather than assuming that only what is in the Bible is true.</p>
<p>As a rule, I find that the Bible can help us find a &#8220;seed&#8221; of truth in the thinking or &#8220;wisdom&#8221; of others even if it is only a fragment&#8211; twisted&#8211;as when Satan tempted Eve in the Garden. </p>
<p>The challenge is to use our knowledge of the Bible to see how truth is applied, misapplied, spun, twisted, or fragmented in us&#8211; or in the world around us. For example, in the Lockhorn  &#8220;smile&#8221; of, &#8220;Sure I spend more than you make, I have confidence in you.&#8221;, I think the smile is based on the misuse of the truth that i.e. (1) what we do reflects our faith in someone or something, (2) we live from the hand of our Provider, (3) when it comes to our relationship to God, we can act in faith that God will supply&#8211;when we need it&#8211; at some time in the future&#8211; more than we are now able to see&#8230; Or (4) one of our ever present inclinations is to try to live on our own desires&#8211; without regard for the pattern and boundaries (budget) of God&#8217;s provisions.</p>
<p>If you think my examples are a stretch, they may be :-). But, for me, the value of the &#8220;thought&#8221; is to use the Bible as the reference point for measuring/evaluating all we see and hear around us. At the same time, I&#8217;ve found that thinking outside-in also gives us a chance to think over and over, in fresh ways, about the Bible.</p>
<p>The danger of course comes if we take an idea we find outside of the Bible and try to make it our standard of truth. That&#8217;s the danger&#8211;on the other side of the challenge.</p>
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		<title>By: phillip</title>
		<link>http://www.beenthinking.org/2008/09/20/truth-and-the-bible/#comment-2635</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 11:21:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think your teacher was playing with words. There is no truth but God&#039;s truth. And how do I know something outside the book is true unless I compare it with The Truth that is inside the book? If something does not line up with the truth of the Bible then it is not true no matter how clever it may seem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think your teacher was playing with words. There is no truth but God&#8217;s truth. And how do I know something outside the book is true unless I compare it with The Truth that is inside the book? If something does not line up with the truth of the Bible then it is not true no matter how clever it may seem.</p>
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		<title>By: SFDBWV</title>
		<link>http://www.beenthinking.org/2008/09/20/truth-and-the-bible/#comment-2634</link>
		<dc:creator>SFDBWV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 11:17:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some years ago a well read friend of mine, explained to me that the sum of all the great phlosophers were that the purpose of man is to be happy. I immediatly responded by saying that the purpose of man is for the glory of God and the uplifting of his son the Christ.
However as life has gone on I see the &quot;truth&quot; in his statement even if it came from an &quot;outside the Bible&quot; concept. 
I can relate to striving to be happy in many Biblical meanings. Yet it is still because doing good and striving to please God makes me happy. Yet I also know there are times when I am not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some years ago a well read friend of mine, explained to me that the sum of all the great phlosophers were that the purpose of man is to be happy. I immediatly responded by saying that the purpose of man is for the glory of God and the uplifting of his son the Christ.<br />
However as life has gone on I see the &#8220;truth&#8221; in his statement even if it came from an &#8220;outside the Bible&#8221; concept.<br />
I can relate to striving to be happy in many Biblical meanings. Yet it is still because doing good and striving to please God makes me happy. Yet I also know there are times when I am not.</p>
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