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		<title>By: poohpity</title>
		<link>http://www.beenthinking.org/2008/11/19/who-will-the-president-pardon/#comment-3487</link>
		<dc:creator>poohpity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 06:01:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>plumbape,

I in the best of humor cracked up when you wrote in the joint, I wonder if many understand that kind of terminology LOL. Only those who have experienced much forgiveness LOL.</description>
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<p>I in the best of humor cracked up when you wrote in the joint, I wonder if many understand that kind of terminology LOL. Only those who have experienced much forgiveness LOL.</p>
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		<title>By: plumbape</title>
		<link>http://www.beenthinking.org/2008/11/19/who-will-the-president-pardon/#comment-3486</link>
		<dc:creator>plumbape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 01:49:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who amoung us will wake up to the realization of what it means that the &quot;worst&quot; amoung us have access to the forgiveness granted by what Jesus the Christ did for us......? Not exactly as Mart wrote it, but still an interesting question that I&#039;m not sure everyone addressed exactly. The most important issue in life as I understand it is finding a relationship with God and then making sure the worst amoung us have access to the same God that I have found such delight in. 

It&#039;s worth noting that the politician in the Bible &quot;Pilate&quot; was more interested in pleasing the croud by setting free a convicted murderer rather than risk his career with the increasingly unpopular Jesus, who even he had to admit Jesus had not commited a crime against the State. Fast forward two thousand years and the President has to consider the awful mess of giving his past coworkers a play for taking some of the weight off him when things that he surly knew about went bad. The hard part as I understand it is how to grant a pardon for them without implicating that they commited a crime, lol. I have a tendancy to look at things radically I guess. I know there are brothers and sisters in the joint who are seeking pardon with some actual remorse and repentance in there heart and ones that are no doubt like Barabbas who are hoping to take advantage of the end of the President&#039;s time in office.
Fortunately most pardons would reduce the sentence from being executed to life. There is a church here in Indy that proclaims on the sign &quot;Sinners Welcome&quot; what a novel concept.
God bless you all &amp; goodnight</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who amoung us will wake up to the realization of what it means that the &#8220;worst&#8221; amoung us have access to the forgiveness granted by what Jesus the Christ did for us&#8230;&#8230;? Not exactly as Mart wrote it, but still an interesting question that I&#8217;m not sure everyone addressed exactly. The most important issue in life as I understand it is finding a relationship with God and then making sure the worst amoung us have access to the same God that I have found such delight in. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s worth noting that the politician in the Bible &#8220;Pilate&#8221; was more interested in pleasing the croud by setting free a convicted murderer rather than risk his career with the increasingly unpopular Jesus, who even he had to admit Jesus had not commited a crime against the State. Fast forward two thousand years and the President has to consider the awful mess of giving his past coworkers a play for taking some of the weight off him when things that he surly knew about went bad. The hard part as I understand it is how to grant a pardon for them without implicating that they commited a crime, lol. I have a tendancy to look at things radically I guess. I know there are brothers and sisters in the joint who are seeking pardon with some actual remorse and repentance in there heart and ones that are no doubt like Barabbas who are hoping to take advantage of the end of the President&#8217;s time in office.<br />
Fortunately most pardons would reduce the sentence from being executed to life. There is a church here in Indy that proclaims on the sign &#8220;Sinners Welcome&#8221; what a novel concept.<br />
God bless you all &amp; goodnight</p>
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		<title>By: poohpity</title>
		<link>http://www.beenthinking.org/2008/11/19/who-will-the-president-pardon/#comment-3485</link>
		<dc:creator>poohpity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 18:57:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rdrcomp, that was a great read thank you for pointing it out. I needed that today.

As far as pointing out others peoples faults it is very shaky ground. I believe that the bible says that those who are spiritual gently guide other believers back to that saving grace. I believe that when we are able to closely look at our own sins and who we are compared to Christ we become less critical of others and not so quick to condemn (spiritual). I at times hold others to high expectations when it comes to their walk with God but through the Holy Spirit I have been convicted of the sins that offend the Lord and one specifically is judgment of believers. I can not and will not be someone else&#039;s Holy Spirit, if it were up to me, like I said before I usually mess everything up. One of the proverbs says a gentle answer will turn away wrath, I am going to try and practice this this week.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rdrcomp, that was a great read thank you for pointing it out. I needed that today.</p>
<p>As far as pointing out others peoples faults it is very shaky ground. I believe that the bible says that those who are spiritual gently guide other believers back to that saving grace. I believe that when we are able to closely look at our own sins and who we are compared to Christ we become less critical of others and not so quick to condemn (spiritual). I at times hold others to high expectations when it comes to their walk with God but through the Holy Spirit I have been convicted of the sins that offend the Lord and one specifically is judgment of believers. I can not and will not be someone else&#8217;s Holy Spirit, if it were up to me, like I said before I usually mess everything up. One of the proverbs says a gentle answer will turn away wrath, I am going to try and practice this this week.</p>
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		<title>By: daisymarygoldr</title>
		<link>http://www.beenthinking.org/2008/11/19/who-will-the-president-pardon/#comment-3484</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 18:36:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SFDBWV, thank you for pointing out the need for love (in caps)! And you concluded it correctly about showing others the ways to eternal forgiveness. Here is what it means for me to follow Christ:

Jesus loves the sinner and hates their sins. The brief 3 and half years He spent on Earth, Jesus went about loving, healing, feeding and showing compassion while standing firm for Truth. He perfectly loved the sinner and at the same time testified His hatred against their evil works. 

Today we, His followers are also called to love the sinner and hate sin. Now, refusing to sin or condemning sin should not be misunderstood as hating the sinner. But guess what? We will be hated…even by our own “brothers and sisters” because Jesus was hated and even His own brothers did not believe in Him. In fact, every one of them deserted Him as He painfully made His lonely trek to the cross. They hated Him for His truth and that’s why they killed Him.

What then does it mean to love others? Love the truth and have mercy on the lost. Tell them to stay away from the fire…it is bad…it will burn and it will kill. True love will never sit in the sidelines watching others remaining stuck in their sin. True love will mercifully snatch the soul from the fire and save them while hating even the clothing stained by corrupted flesh. 

Although we disapprove the sinful lifestyle and will be considered as enemies because we speak the truth, true Christ-like love will faithfully witness the loving forgiveness available in Jesus Christ. So, tell me if I am wrong and I will change the definition of love (in caps). And BTW, if you could quote Mahatma Gandhi, why are you critical of those who quote their Heavenly Father?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SFDBWV, thank you for pointing out the need for love (in caps)! And you concluded it correctly about showing others the ways to eternal forgiveness. Here is what it means for me to follow Christ:</p>
<p>Jesus loves the sinner and hates their sins. The brief 3 and half years He spent on Earth, Jesus went about loving, healing, feeding and showing compassion while standing firm for Truth. He perfectly loved the sinner and at the same time testified His hatred against their evil works. </p>
<p>Today we, His followers are also called to love the sinner and hate sin. Now, refusing to sin or condemning sin should not be misunderstood as hating the sinner. But guess what? We will be hated…even by our own “brothers and sisters” because Jesus was hated and even His own brothers did not believe in Him. In fact, every one of them deserted Him as He painfully made His lonely trek to the cross. They hated Him for His truth and that’s why they killed Him.</p>
<p>What then does it mean to love others? Love the truth and have mercy on the lost. Tell them to stay away from the fire…it is bad…it will burn and it will kill. True love will never sit in the sidelines watching others remaining stuck in their sin. True love will mercifully snatch the soul from the fire and save them while hating even the clothing stained by corrupted flesh. </p>
<p>Although we disapprove the sinful lifestyle and will be considered as enemies because we speak the truth, true Christ-like love will faithfully witness the loving forgiveness available in Jesus Christ. So, tell me if I am wrong and I will change the definition of love (in caps). And BTW, if you could quote Mahatma Gandhi, why are you critical of those who quote their Heavenly Father?</p>
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		<title>By: Mart De Haan</title>
		<link>http://www.beenthinking.org/2008/11/19/who-will-the-president-pardon/#comment-3483</link>
		<dc:creator>Mart De Haan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 17:31:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I appreciate so much the thoughtfulness, transparency, and shared celebration of these comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I appreciate so much the thoughtfulness, transparency, and shared celebration of these comments.</p>
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		<title>By: rdrcomp</title>
		<link>http://www.beenthinking.org/2008/11/19/who-will-the-president-pardon/#comment-3482</link>
		<dc:creator>rdrcomp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:23:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey guys, go see today&#039;s (Nov. 20) My Utmost For His Highest (also on the RBC site).

  One of Chambers&#039; statements is this:  Forgiveness is the divine miracle of grace. The cost to God was the Cross of Christ. To forgive sin, while remaining a holy God, this price had to be paid.

That is certainly worth celebrating!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey guys, go see today&#8217;s (Nov. 20) My Utmost For His Highest (also on the RBC site).</p>
<p>  One of Chambers&#8217; statements is this:  Forgiveness is the divine miracle of grace. The cost to God was the Cross of Christ. To forgive sin, while remaining a holy God, this price had to be paid.</p>
<p>That is certainly worth celebrating!</p>
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		<title>By: poohpity</title>
		<link>http://www.beenthinking.org/2008/11/19/who-will-the-president-pardon/#comment-3481</link>
		<dc:creator>poohpity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:20:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have had so many thoughts of judgment that I still hold against my family while going through this cancer thing it is unreal. There are so many areas of forgiveness I still need to work on and in the mean time I am pushing people away and not loving them as the Lord would have me. I am brought to my knees and humbled how anger and malice still hold me. This process is hard but having to confront issues I still have to deal with is promoting growth within my soul and heart. Gosh I have so much to learn and forgive but it is so much easier to look at others faults.

You know no matter if someone is pardoned by the president those people still have to live with themselves and I believe the feelings of guilt will offer no pardon. I say this because although I have the Lord&#039;s forgiveness it seems the hardest person for me to forgive is me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have had so many thoughts of judgment that I still hold against my family while going through this cancer thing it is unreal. There are so many areas of forgiveness I still need to work on and in the mean time I am pushing people away and not loving them as the Lord would have me. I am brought to my knees and humbled how anger and malice still hold me. This process is hard but having to confront issues I still have to deal with is promoting growth within my soul and heart. Gosh I have so much to learn and forgive but it is so much easier to look at others faults.</p>
<p>You know no matter if someone is pardoned by the president those people still have to live with themselves and I believe the feelings of guilt will offer no pardon. I say this because although I have the Lord&#8217;s forgiveness it seems the hardest person for me to forgive is me.</p>
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		<title>By: SFDBWV</title>
		<link>http://www.beenthinking.org/2008/11/19/who-will-the-president-pardon/#comment-3480</link>
		<dc:creator>SFDBWV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 14:18:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just re reading everything.

No wonder Jesus was upset with the religious men of his day. They had all the education to know all the words found in the &quot;BOOK&quot;. But they lacked compassion and love for others.  They were white washed tombs,instead of living temples of God.

There are a lot of you people out here in this blog who have love for others, I love reading the compassion you share for others pain. I not only can read your comments but also sense your personality as it comes out through your confessions and comments.

Honest, revealing and cleansing. 

Thank you to all for brightening my day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just re reading everything.</p>
<p>No wonder Jesus was upset with the religious men of his day. They had all the education to know all the words found in the &#8220;BOOK&#8221;. But they lacked compassion and love for others.  They were white washed tombs,instead of living temples of God.</p>
<p>There are a lot of you people out here in this blog who have love for others, I love reading the compassion you share for others pain. I not only can read your comments but also sense your personality as it comes out through your confessions and comments.</p>
<p>Honest, revealing and cleansing. </p>
<p>Thank you to all for brightening my day.</p>
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		<title>By: SFDBWV</title>
		<link>http://www.beenthinking.org/2008/11/19/who-will-the-president-pardon/#comment-3479</link>
		<dc:creator>SFDBWV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 12:19:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1 Corinthians 13: 
1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and angels,and have not LOVE, I am become as sounding brass or a tinkling cymbal.
2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries,and all knowledge,and though I have all faith,so that I could remove mountains,and have not LOVE, I am nothing.

These words begin to describe the attitude I should have toward my fellow man. 

Jesus was a 30 year old man we are told when he began his public ministry. John says the world could not contain all the things he did and said in the 3 short years that followed. Yet we have a testimony from various witnesses that create the foundation of our faith.

Isaiah 58, tells us of the acceptable fast.

I could go on quoting verse after verse, but they all point toward our attitude toward each other. 

God loves us enough to do whatever it takes to &quot;win&quot; us back to him. Including becoming a man, feeling all the pain and suffering of this world and then becoming sin for an undeserving world and be sacrificedfor it.  For us all.

We are told to follow Christ. If we truly do, we adopt his attitude of sacrifice and service to an underservig world.

This isn&#039;t just about being able to quote scripture, but is all about us, we, you and I loving people who don&#039;t deserve it.  Forgiveness, Pardoning, healing the relationship.   Whatever it takes to win back a brother, friend or whomever.

And perhaps in the doing of it all, we may just show another the way to eternal forgiveness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1 Corinthians 13:<br />
1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and angels,and have not LOVE, I am become as sounding brass or a tinkling cymbal.<br />
2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries,and all knowledge,and though I have all faith,so that I could remove mountains,and have not LOVE, I am nothing.</p>
<p>These words begin to describe the attitude I should have toward my fellow man. </p>
<p>Jesus was a 30 year old man we are told when he began his public ministry. John says the world could not contain all the things he did and said in the 3 short years that followed. Yet we have a testimony from various witnesses that create the foundation of our faith.</p>
<p>Isaiah 58, tells us of the acceptable fast.</p>
<p>I could go on quoting verse after verse, but they all point toward our attitude toward each other. </p>
<p>God loves us enough to do whatever it takes to &#8220;win&#8221; us back to him. Including becoming a man, feeling all the pain and suffering of this world and then becoming sin for an undeserving world and be sacrificedfor it.  For us all.</p>
<p>We are told to follow Christ. If we truly do, we adopt his attitude of sacrifice and service to an underservig world.</p>
<p>This isn&#8217;t just about being able to quote scripture, but is all about us, we, you and I loving people who don&#8217;t deserve it.  Forgiveness, Pardoning, healing the relationship.   Whatever it takes to win back a brother, friend or whomever.</p>
<p>And perhaps in the doing of it all, we may just show another the way to eternal forgiveness.</p>
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		<title>By: rdrcomp</title>
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		<dc:creator>rdrcomp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 00:31:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I once heard a renowned Bible teacher explaining the holiness of God, who asked that if we put Jesus on one end of a measuring rod, and Adolf Hitler on the other, where along that rod would we place ourselves?  He related that he would be so close to Hitler as to almost be in a bear hug with him compared to Jesus who is absolute holiness.  I have come to believe that same thing about me although the Bible teacher nor me have ever been in what most would call terrible sins as Hitler was.

But the illustration is a valid one so that my forgiveness by the Father is so much more than any given by any president who ever pardoned anyone.  

Mart, in whatever mind we happen to be in, the celebration of our pardon won&#039;t end, in this world or the next.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I once heard a renowned Bible teacher explaining the holiness of God, who asked that if we put Jesus on one end of a measuring rod, and Adolf Hitler on the other, where along that rod would we place ourselves?  He related that he would be so close to Hitler as to almost be in a bear hug with him compared to Jesus who is absolute holiness.  I have come to believe that same thing about me although the Bible teacher nor me have ever been in what most would call terrible sins as Hitler was.</p>
<p>But the illustration is a valid one so that my forgiveness by the Father is so much more than any given by any president who ever pardoned anyone.  </p>
<p>Mart, in whatever mind we happen to be in, the celebration of our pardon won&#8217;t end, in this world or the next.</p>
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