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		<title>By: Mel 5128</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mel 5128</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 11:53:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Try Romans  chapter 5
it opened my eyes to the way God works.  I hope it explains this issue of Grace a little better.

Wish I had more time to contribute....but my zero stress job is calling..to serve others...to listen to RBC  for 15 mins....to pray and ( the hard part )   listen to where God leads me to do His work  for Him today and know  if it is His will, to lead me safely back home to rest and start all over again tomorrow.
Where do you get those Pics  you post  Mart?????
My prayer for all of you, errr us:  Heavenly Father, have mercy on us,  fill us with Peace  and Joy.  In all you provide today be it good or bad, let us praise and thank you.  Amen
Brother  Mel</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Try Romans  chapter 5<br />
it opened my eyes to the way God works.  I hope it explains this issue of Grace a little better.</p>
<p>Wish I had more time to contribute&#8230;.but my zero stress job is calling..to serve others&#8230;to listen to RBC  for 15 mins&#8230;.to pray and ( the hard part )   listen to where God leads me to do His work  for Him today and know  if it is His will, to lead me safely back home to rest and start all over again tomorrow.<br />
Where do you get those Pics  you post  Mart?????<br />
My prayer for all of you, errr us:  Heavenly Father, have mercy on us,  fill us with Peace  and Joy.  In all you provide today be it good or bad, let us praise and thank you.  Amen<br />
Brother  Mel</p>
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		<title>By: daisymarygoldr</title>
		<link>http://www.beenthinking.org/2009/03/02/forgotten-means-of-grace/#comment-5895</link>
		<dc:creator>daisymarygoldr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 06:31:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mtman, Bob/rdrcomp, gr8grannyjacobs, Thank you so much for your kind and encouraging words. You are such an awesome family:) I love you all! 

Chfranke, just wanted to let you know, that I’m praying for you…</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mtman, Bob/rdrcomp, gr8grannyjacobs, Thank you so much for your kind and encouraging words. You are such an awesome family:) I love you all! </p>
<p>Chfranke, just wanted to let you know, that I’m praying for you…</p>
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		<title>By: TommyO</title>
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		<dc:creator>TommyO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 03:01:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This has all been great to read. I thought I was doing pretty well, but after reading all the comments re &quot;grace&quot;, I feel almost as lost as I was before getting saved (about 13 yrs ago.) 
My problem is the real meaning of &quot;grace&quot;. Note that I put it in quotes because it is special yet I really don&#039;t understand it. I&#039;m not sure I can use the word grace in a sentence. And here comes the big problem: I have a friend who believes strongly in the Dispensation of Grace and also believes only Paul really taught the Gentiles and that Jesus really taught only the Jews. Once I hear him talk like this, I feel like he doesn&#039;t follow Jesus&#039; teaching, but only believes in what Paul says in the Books he wrote. 
You can see (I think) that I&#039;m a bit confused. If someone can help me with this &quot;grace&quot;, maybe my mind will get it, and I can move on instead of being bogged down and confused. As some might say, &quot;HELP!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This has all been great to read. I thought I was doing pretty well, but after reading all the comments re &#8220;grace&#8221;, I feel almost as lost as I was before getting saved (about 13 yrs ago.)<br />
My problem is the real meaning of &#8220;grace&#8221;. Note that I put it in quotes because it is special yet I really don&#8217;t understand it. I&#8217;m not sure I can use the word grace in a sentence. And here comes the big problem: I have a friend who believes strongly in the Dispensation of Grace and also believes only Paul really taught the Gentiles and that Jesus really taught only the Jews. Once I hear him talk like this, I feel like he doesn&#8217;t follow Jesus&#8217; teaching, but only believes in what Paul says in the Books he wrote.<br />
You can see (I think) that I&#8217;m a bit confused. If someone can help me with this &#8220;grace&#8221;, maybe my mind will get it, and I can move on instead of being bogged down and confused. As some might say, &#8220;HELP!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: sapnads</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 08:48:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi mart,
this will be the first time i leav my comment. you have brought up a very good topic for all of us to think abt. Humility is one of the first aspects that we need to potray as children of Christ. Having said that, I must also say Im lacking in it big time. Just today morning when I had a heated conversation with my colleague, I had all the symptoms of the lack of &#039;H&#039;(talkin before listening...etc). Soon as the conversation was over, I realised what I had done and somehow I know I can&#039;t take back what happened. I felt bad, &#039;cos I was such a poor representative of Christ. My biggest struggle is my short temper which ofcourse leads to lack of humility. Sometimes I cant understand what Im so upset abt...but maybe thats another topic you can write abt. 

But humility, like I said is one of the attributes we all should have. Im learning daily and I pray that there will come a day when I will handle any situation that Satan sends my way and I shall remain totally calm without a single feather being ruffled. The Lord is at work in me and I shall surely be transformed like pure gold!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi mart,<br />
this will be the first time i leav my comment. you have brought up a very good topic for all of us to think abt. Humility is one of the first aspects that we need to potray as children of Christ. Having said that, I must also say Im lacking in it big time. Just today morning when I had a heated conversation with my colleague, I had all the symptoms of the lack of &#8216;H&#8217;(talkin before listening&#8230;etc). Soon as the conversation was over, I realised what I had done and somehow I know I can&#8217;t take back what happened. I felt bad, &#8216;cos I was such a poor representative of Christ. My biggest struggle is my short temper which ofcourse leads to lack of humility. Sometimes I cant understand what Im so upset abt&#8230;but maybe thats another topic you can write abt. </p>
<p>But humility, like I said is one of the attributes we all should have. Im learning daily and I pray that there will come a day when I will handle any situation that Satan sends my way and I shall remain totally calm without a single feather being ruffled. The Lord is at work in me and I shall surely be transformed like pure gold!</p>
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		<title>By: mtman</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 00:08:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Mart, now it all makes sense to me.  Good job of clearing up my muddled mind.  This makes perfect sense to me.. Thanks...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Mart, now it all makes sense to me.  Good job of clearing up my muddled mind.  This makes perfect sense to me.. Thanks&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mart De Haan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mart De Haan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 00:02:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mtman, I missed your question until now. Looking back, seems like I was trying to say that when we have a realistic opinion of ourselves (humility), we are not as likely to play god with other people. If that muddies the water more-- then just consider me confused :-)...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mtman, I missed your question until now. Looking back, seems like I was trying to say that when we have a realistic opinion of ourselves (humility), we are not as likely to play god with other people. If that muddies the water more&#8211; then just consider me confused :-)&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: gr8grannyjacobs</title>
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		<dc:creator>gr8grannyjacobs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 22:17:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robert Slone  Wonderful word&#039;s of encouragement. Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert Slone  Wonderful word&#8217;s of encouragement. Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: poohpity</title>
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		<dc:creator>poohpity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 21:46:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bob that is to cute. Ken Davis is hilarious. Boy do we ever need some humor these days, I know I sure do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob that is to cute. Ken Davis is hilarious. Boy do we ever need some humor these days, I know I sure do.</p>
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		<title>By: rdrcomp</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 21:27:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post, Frank, thanks

Ken Davis is a Christian commedian, and says:  I&#039;m not ok, you&#039;re not ok, but thats ok, because He (Jesus) is ok, and that makes us ok too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, Frank, thanks</p>
<p>Ken Davis is a Christian commedian, and says:  I&#8217;m not ok, you&#8217;re not ok, but thats ok, because He (Jesus) is ok, and that makes us ok too.</p>
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		<title>By: wretch-like-me</title>
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		<dc:creator>wretch-like-me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 21:14:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, All:
If I may attempt to paraphrase what Marti referred to as realism or reality.

When Paul refers to looking into a mirror and turning away forgetting what we look like...
When we gaze into a mirror, what do we see? 

Prideful people tend to see an opportunity to &#039;primp&#039; and take pride in what they see(somehow claiming ownership for their looks)... the other extreme(false humility)is to see all the &#039;warts, blems or scars&#039; and nothing else...

realism is somewhere in the middle...recognizing God has gifted us with beauty of a different kind and talents to glorify God...as well as weaknesses that He can overcome and manifest HIS GLORY.

To further illustrate the &#039;turning away&#039; from the mirror, each day is a new day bringing with it a clean slate(no condemnation for past sins so long as we confess them)...a chance to succeed again in the power of Christ.

I appreciate the reference to &#039;as far as east is from west&#039;. My son brought to my attention how significant that reference in scripture is. One can never go so far east that it would change directions. It is not so if one goes north or south... because heading north or south you will cross the poles and be headed in the other direction. It is only true for east and west.

I read one author who phrased it so well when he said,&quot;God chooses to throw our &#039;confessed sins&#039; into the Sea of Forgetfulness; never to be found again!&quot;

I confess that this is the most difficult of my trials. When I am most vulnerable, Satan brings up my past and either tempts me to &#039;enjoy&#039; the lusts again or condemns me for having failed to keep my promise before God &#039;never to tresspass&#039; again.

Hence my log-on id... &#039;wretch-like-me&#039;

I pray we all remember what we see in the mirror and identify with each other for &#039;all have fallen short of the glory that is God&#039;s!&#039;

Big Bear Huggs,
frank</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, All:<br />
If I may attempt to paraphrase what Marti referred to as realism or reality.</p>
<p>When Paul refers to looking into a mirror and turning away forgetting what we look like&#8230;<br />
When we gaze into a mirror, what do we see? </p>
<p>Prideful people tend to see an opportunity to &#8216;primp&#8217; and take pride in what they see(somehow claiming ownership for their looks)&#8230; the other extreme(false humility)is to see all the &#8216;warts, blems or scars&#8217; and nothing else&#8230;</p>
<p>realism is somewhere in the middle&#8230;recognizing God has gifted us with beauty of a different kind and talents to glorify God&#8230;as well as weaknesses that He can overcome and manifest HIS GLORY.</p>
<p>To further illustrate the &#8216;turning away&#8217; from the mirror, each day is a new day bringing with it a clean slate(no condemnation for past sins so long as we confess them)&#8230;a chance to succeed again in the power of Christ.</p>
<p>I appreciate the reference to &#8216;as far as east is from west&#8217;. My son brought to my attention how significant that reference in scripture is. One can never go so far east that it would change directions. It is not so if one goes north or south&#8230; because heading north or south you will cross the poles and be headed in the other direction. It is only true for east and west.</p>
<p>I read one author who phrased it so well when he said,&#8221;God chooses to throw our &#8216;confessed sins&#8217; into the Sea of Forgetfulness; never to be found again!&#8221;</p>
<p>I confess that this is the most difficult of my trials. When I am most vulnerable, Satan brings up my past and either tempts me to &#8216;enjoy&#8217; the lusts again or condemns me for having failed to keep my promise before God &#8216;never to tresspass&#8217; again.</p>
<p>Hence my log-on id&#8230; &#8216;wretch-like-me&#8217;</p>
<p>I pray we all remember what we see in the mirror and identify with each other for &#8216;all have fallen short of the glory that is God&#8217;s!&#8217;</p>
<p>Big Bear Huggs,<br />
frank</p>
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