Comments on: CT and The Depression Epidemic http://www.beenthinking.org/2009/03/06/ct-and-the-depression-epidemic/ with Mart De Haan and Friends Fri, 19 Mar 2010 19:36:02 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: gr8grannyjacobs http://www.beenthinking.org/2009/03/06/ct-and-the-depression-epidemic/#comment-5993 gr8grannyjacobs Sun, 08 Mar 2009 14:15:47 +0000 http://www.beenthinking.org/?p=4407#comment-5993 I should add it wasn't anything anyone said. I Love All Of You. sjd and laurielee Thank you for caring. I should add it wasn’t anything anyone said. I Love All Of You.

sjd and laurielee Thank you for caring.

]]> By: gr8grannyjacobs http://www.beenthinking.org/2009/03/06/ct-and-the-depression-epidemic/#comment-5992 gr8grannyjacobs Sun, 08 Mar 2009 14:07:22 +0000 http://www.beenthinking.org/?p=4407#comment-5992 daisy Thank you. It wasn't anything you said. I think I am just overwhelmed by the sadness in the posts the last couple of days. It seems one is condemned for hurting sometimes as if loving and trusting God is somehow a free pass that enables us to escape the pain that is a part of life. I trust God that in His love He understands we still have moments of sorrow. I want to help folks through their pain not add more pain.just as God helps me through mine. I Love You gr8granny daisy Thank you. It wasn’t anything you said. I think I am just overwhelmed by the sadness in the posts the last couple of days. It seems one is condemned for hurting sometimes as if loving and trusting God is somehow a free pass that enables us to escape the pain that is a part of life. I trust God that in His love He understands we still have moments of sorrow. I want to help folks through their pain not add more pain.just as God helps me through mine. I Love You gr8granny

]]> By: daisymarygoldr http://www.beenthinking.org/2009/03/06/ct-and-the-depression-epidemic/#comment-5989 daisymarygoldr Sun, 08 Mar 2009 07:12:14 +0000 http://www.beenthinking.org/?p=4407#comment-5989 gr8grannyjacobs, I’m sorry for the loss of your daughter. My comment was not in any way meant for you. I was talking about different factors that trigger depression…it was just a general statement. I am a mother and I can understand your pain. You are so right…love can never erase the memories of our children who precede us in death. No, it is not silly to find comfort in the fact that your daughter was 33 and Christ died at 33. The Bible does not tell us not to grieve. We do grieve but we grieve with hope. Just the way King David grieved for His son. “I can go to him, but he can’t come to me”. The hope of seeing his son again… helped eased his pain and he was also able to comfort his wife. As long as sin exists in this world, pain and grief will also exist…no one is exempted from it. One can never be pain-free… but the only privilege we have in Christ is the hope and comfort of our loving God which helps us endure the pain. gr8grannyjacobs, you are the true embodiment of love on this blog and it really hurts to see you hurt…it was good that you posted to express your feelings. Please forgive me. Praying for God to comfort and heal your hurting heart… Michael, Sorry to hear about your bout with flu:o( Praying that God will restore you to good health once again! gr8grannyjacobs, I’m sorry for the loss of your daughter. My comment was not in any way meant for you. I was talking about different factors that trigger depression…it was just a general statement. I am a mother and I can understand your pain. You are so right…love can never erase the memories of our children who precede us in death. No, it is not silly to find comfort in the fact that your daughter was 33 and Christ died at 33. The Bible does not tell us not to grieve. We do grieve but we grieve with hope. Just the way King David grieved for His son. “I can go to him, but he can’t come to me”. The hope of seeing his son again… helped eased his pain and he was also able to comfort his wife. As long as sin exists in this world, pain and grief will also exist…no one is exempted from it. One can never be pain-free… but the only privilege we have in Christ is the hope and comfort of our loving God which helps us endure the pain. gr8grannyjacobs, you are the true embodiment of love on this blog and it really hurts to see you hurt…it was good that you posted to express your feelings. Please forgive me. Praying for God to comfort and heal your hurting heart…

Michael, Sorry to hear about your bout with flu:o( Praying that God will restore you to good health once again!

]]> By: Laurielee http://www.beenthinking.org/2009/03/06/ct-and-the-depression-epidemic/#comment-5988 Laurielee Sun, 08 Mar 2009 04:57:13 +0000 http://www.beenthinking.org/?p=4407#comment-5988 gr8granny, I sure hope than nothing I said hurt your feelings! I should clarify that of course I grieved when my sister passed...it was very traumatic, but different, because we grieve as those who have hope. No matter what the circumstance, we always have hope. This is from my last night's reading, it came to mind just now thinking of you..."May the Lord bless you and protect you, May the Lord smile on you and be gracious to you, May the Lord show you favor and give you His peace." (Num 6:24-26) gr8granny, I sure hope than nothing I said hurt your feelings! I should clarify that of course I grieved when my sister passed…it was very traumatic, but different, because we grieve as those who have hope. No matter what the circumstance, we always have hope. This is from my last night’s reading, it came to mind just now thinking of you…”May the Lord bless you and protect you, May the Lord smile on you and be gracious to you, May the Lord show you favor and give you His peace.” (Num 6:24-26)

]]> By: sjd http://www.beenthinking.org/2009/03/06/ct-and-the-depression-epidemic/#comment-5987 sjd Sun, 08 Mar 2009 04:31:18 +0000 http://www.beenthinking.org/?p=4407#comment-5987 gr8grannyjacobs I am sorry that your feelings were hurt. Love will keep you from forgetting, and I would be concerned if you did not mourn. My concern was that sometimes I felt like I did not mourn enough while at the same time some seem to mourn longer than needed. We are all different. One thing we can do in common is to seek God out. I like what I read in Psalm 73 today. It was Asaph's response to difficult times in his life where he was troubled by the circumstances around him. Psalm 73:16-17 (NASB95) 16 When I pondered to understand this, It was troublesome in my sight 17 Until I came into the sanctuary of God; Then I perceived their end. It was in coming before God, that understanding came and "healing" could begin. We find in His presence the comfort of His Sovereignty, and the realization of His loving hand. And then he said Psalm 73:25-26 (NASB95) 25 Whom have I in heaven but You? And besides You, I desire nothing on earth. 26 My flesh and my heart may fail, But God is the strength of my heart and my portion forever. I will be praying for you that you will continue to have fond memories of your daughter and that God will be the strength of your heart and your portion forever. gr8grannyjacobs
I am sorry that your feelings were hurt. Love will keep you from forgetting, and I would be concerned if you did not mourn. My concern was that sometimes I felt like I did not mourn enough while at the same time some seem to mourn longer than needed. We are all different.
One thing we can do in common is to seek God out. I like what I read in Psalm 73 today. It was Asaph’s response to difficult times in his life where he was troubled by the circumstances around him.

Psalm 73:16-17 (NASB95)
16 When I pondered to understand this, It was troublesome in my sight
17 Until I came into the sanctuary of God; Then I perceived their end.

It was in coming before God, that understanding came and “healing” could begin. We find in His presence the comfort of His Sovereignty, and the realization of His loving hand.

And then he said Psalm 73:25-26 (NASB95)
25 Whom have I in heaven but You? And besides You, I desire nothing on earth.
26 My flesh and my heart may fail, But God is the strength of my heart and my portion forever.

I will be praying for you that you will continue to have fond memories of your daughter and that God will be the strength of your heart and your portion forever.

]]> By: gr8grannyjacobs http://www.beenthinking.org/2009/03/06/ct-and-the-depression-epidemic/#comment-5986 gr8grannyjacobs Sun, 08 Mar 2009 03:31:44 +0000 http://www.beenthinking.org/?p=4407#comment-5986 I posted that I had lost a daughter and there was very deep hurt. I don't think I am depressed or using her for a spiral down... was only saying I mourned. I don't dwell on her death and have always understood that God took her at His appointed time. At the same time I don't feel guilty because I mourned losing her nor do I ever plan to forget that she existed. I think my feelings are hurt. I am not even sure why. I did read about Jacob again today for clarification on his feelings about the loss of Joseph seems he couldn't forget either. I think it's called love. I know my heart attitude is in need of adjustment and I need to be praying instead of posting but I really need to say this and hope you will understand. I posted that I had lost a daughter and there was very deep hurt. I don’t think I am depressed or using her for a spiral down… was only saying I mourned. I don’t dwell on her death and have always understood that God took her at His appointed time. At the same time I don’t feel guilty because I mourned losing her nor do I ever plan to forget that she existed. I think my feelings are hurt. I am not even sure why. I did read about Jacob again today for clarification on his feelings about the loss of Joseph seems he couldn’t forget either. I think it’s called love.

I know my heart attitude is in need of adjustment and I need to be praying instead of posting but I really need to say this and hope you will understand.

]]> By: plumbape http://www.beenthinking.org/2009/03/06/ct-and-the-depression-epidemic/#comment-5985 plumbape Sun, 08 Mar 2009 02:41:44 +0000 http://www.beenthinking.org/?p=4407#comment-5985 This whole topic is depressing!!!!! Okay....not funny. One may want to check out a web site called "Think Right Now" I believe the products work because it deals the the core of the problems. I've been on flu recovery but still reading and Thinking About you all...:>) The Ape In Indy Michael This whole topic is depressing!!!!! Okay….not funny.

One may want to check out a web site called “Think Right Now” I believe the products work because it deals the the core of the problems. I’ve been on flu recovery but still reading and Thinking About you all…:>)

The Ape In Indy
Michael

]]> By: Laurielee http://www.beenthinking.org/2009/03/06/ct-and-the-depression-epidemic/#comment-5984 Laurielee Sat, 07 Mar 2009 21:00:28 +0000 http://www.beenthinking.org/?p=4407#comment-5984 Robert, I agree that many times it is God who has given the ability through doctors or medications to help to heal or relieve pain. There are, as with everything else, good and bad doctors. pooh, I was just talking with my daughter (year 3 in med school) about your hip surgeries...she said that you must be amazingly strong to have gone through what you have! rokdude, AMEN! sitsathisfeet, you are wise, as usual. sjd, you seem a teacher to me. Yes, my 'baby' sister passed away 3 years ago this August 5th from breast cancer. She was 38 and had 6 children. My grieving was so much different from my family. She changed so much in the couple of years before she died (alone & in prison). She was befriended by a nun, and her whole personality changed. She became a firm believer. I know where she is. She has smiled at me in my dreams. True, I miss her, but it's only for a little while. It's unfortunate that, as with several in my family, they think that her death gives them an 'excuse' to downward spiral. They think that the way I've handled it is a bit odd. I'm trying to gently get the idea across that in order to respect someone's memory, we should strive to be better people...which I believe is only going to work through Christ. What am I really, but a breath, a blade of grass, a sparrow in the wind? It is only Christ in me that gives me significance. Robert, I agree that many times it is God who has given the ability through doctors or medications to help to heal or relieve pain. There are, as with everything else, good and bad doctors.

pooh, I was just talking with my daughter (year 3 in med school) about your hip surgeries…she said that you must be amazingly strong to have gone through what you have!

rokdude, AMEN!

sitsathisfeet, you are wise, as usual.

sjd, you seem a teacher to me. Yes, my ‘baby’ sister passed away 3 years ago this August 5th from breast cancer. She was 38 and had 6 children. My grieving was so much different from my family. She changed so much in the couple of years before she died (alone & in prison). She was befriended by a nun, and her whole personality changed. She became a firm believer. I know where she is. She has smiled at me in my dreams. True, I miss her, but it’s only for a little while. It’s unfortunate that, as with several in my family, they think that her death gives them an ‘excuse’ to downward spiral. They think that the way I’ve handled it is a bit odd. I’m trying to gently get the idea across that in order to respect someone’s memory, we should strive to be better people…which I believe is only going to work through Christ. What am I really, but a breath, a blade of grass, a sparrow in the wind? It is only Christ in me that gives me significance.

]]> By: sjd http://www.beenthinking.org/2009/03/06/ct-and-the-depression-epidemic/#comment-5983 sjd Sat, 07 Mar 2009 20:10:47 +0000 http://www.beenthinking.org/?p=4407#comment-5983 Laurilee, If I am reading what you said right, I agree with you. There are times that I almost feel guilty for not grieving more, or getting mad. When I see other people sorrowing over a loss of a loved one in a very significant way, I have wondered am I somehow cold or calloused, when I do not respond alike. As both of my parents are with the Lord now and my brother died at a fairly young age, I have missed them, but have not had an extended time of grieving. I am so thankful for them and the time I was able to enjoy them. As you said in another way, in this world we must expect the difficult things that are happening, with illness, death, abuse and so much more, all a result of sin. As I grow older I am realizing more and more the Sovereignty of God. I also see how different we are all "wired", and how differently we respond to life. I am feeling less guilty over how I have not grieved so much and also am attempting to be more available to have God show His compassion through me to those who suffer longer. Romans 12:15 (NASB95) "Rejoice with those who rejoice, and weep with those who weep." What a privilege it is to be part of the family of God. It is wonderful to see brothers and sisters reaching out to one another despite differences in circumstances and personalities. We are one in Christ. Laurilee,
If I am reading what you said right, I agree with you. There are times that I almost feel guilty for not grieving more, or getting mad. When I see other people sorrowing over a loss of a loved one in a very significant way, I have wondered am I somehow cold or calloused, when I do not respond alike. As both of my parents are with the Lord now and my brother died at a fairly young age, I have missed them, but have not had an extended time of grieving. I am so thankful for them and the time I was able to enjoy them. As you said in another way, in this world we must expect the difficult things that are happening, with illness, death, abuse and so much more, all a result of sin. As I grow older I am realizing more and more the Sovereignty of God. I also see how different we are all “wired”, and how differently we respond to life. I am feeling less guilty over how I have not grieved so much and also am attempting to be more available to have God show His compassion through me to those who suffer longer.
Romans 12:15 (NASB95)
“Rejoice with those who rejoice, and weep with those who weep.”

What a privilege it is to be part of the family of God. It is wonderful to see brothers and sisters reaching out to one another despite differences in circumstances and personalities. We are one in Christ.

]]> By: mtman http://www.beenthinking.org/2009/03/06/ct-and-the-depression-epidemic/#comment-5982 mtman Sat, 07 Mar 2009 18:39:41 +0000 http://www.beenthinking.org/?p=4407#comment-5982 Laurielee: Yes it is strange because when I was laying in bed this morning not wanting to take the dogs out with the wind and snow I was thinking the same thing. That is why I interjected it into my posting. I just don't think that was coincidence in any way, shape of form. I feel so sorry for the parents of the 6 year old girl. My wife and myself feel that our ministry is to children and dogs. Often the most neglected members of society and our lives. We do what we can for both and sometimes are overwhelmed over what happens to them. Losing a child is so very hard and I don't think having her presence in their lives for 6 years is much comfort to them right now. Words simply do not apply. LaurieLee from where I sit and what I read that you post there is absolutely nothing wrong with you. You are not an outsider in any way either. We all have feelings of doubts at times, wonder where God is in all the pain and misery we see around us. I can't imagine the pain those parents are experiencing right now but I know the Lord is right there with them. You are one of a kind and that is something to rejoice in. Rokdude5: I read that this morning too - actually twice because I thought how appropriate it was. Thank you for posting it. Do you think it would be okay to ask God for just a little less character right now? Laurielee: Yes it is strange because when I was laying in bed this morning not wanting to take the dogs out with the wind and snow I was thinking the same thing. That is why I interjected it into my posting. I just don’t think that was coincidence in any way, shape of form. I feel so sorry for the parents of the 6 year old girl. My wife and myself feel that our ministry is to children and dogs. Often the most neglected members of society and our lives. We do what we can for both and sometimes are overwhelmed over what happens to them. Losing a child is so very hard and I don’t think having her presence in their lives for 6 years is much comfort to them right now. Words simply do not apply. LaurieLee from where I sit and what I read that you post there is absolutely nothing wrong with you. You are not an outsider in any way either. We all have feelings of doubts at times, wonder where God is in all the pain and misery we see around us. I can’t imagine the pain those parents are experiencing right now but I know the Lord is right there with them. You are one of a kind and that is something to rejoice in.
Rokdude5: I read that this morning too – actually twice because I thought how appropriate it was. Thank you for posting it. Do you think it would be okay to ask God for just a little less character right now?

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