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		<title>By: gr8grannyjacobs</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 02:11:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My sheep hear my voice and I know them and they follow me. 

I listen to many different preachers and have read many different books but I always go to God in prayer about differences I may have with other opinions of what God&#039;s word says.My prayer to Him is that I will always know His voice. 

I have learned many things through listening to others and God gives me discernment to know when I am hearing truth all I need do is ask.

I admit I don&#039;t know when He is coming back but it is enough for me to know He is. Until then I will try to do His will and help those I can along the way.


Carlj  I have enjoyed your posts on Purim and Crisis. I also believe it is all about knowing Him personally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My sheep hear my voice and I know them and they follow me. </p>
<p>I listen to many different preachers and have read many different books but I always go to God in prayer about differences I may have with other opinions of what God&#8217;s word says.My prayer to Him is that I will always know His voice. </p>
<p>I have learned many things through listening to others and God gives me discernment to know when I am hearing truth all I need do is ask.</p>
<p>I admit I don&#8217;t know when He is coming back but it is enough for me to know He is. Until then I will try to do His will and help those I can along the way.</p>
<p>Carlj  I have enjoyed your posts on Purim and Crisis. I also believe it is all about knowing Him personally.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Slone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Slone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 21:19:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Cheryl, too.  We being Christians should not be walking around with fear.  We are told not to walk in fear, but in faith, trust, and love.  This is also why we have prophecies given to us, so that we will not fear.  God is taking care of his own and has promised to do just that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Cheryl, too.  We being Christians should not be walking around with fear.  We are told not to walk in fear, but in faith, trust, and love.  This is also why we have prophecies given to us, so that we will not fear.  God is taking care of his own and has promised to do just that.</p>
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		<title>By: mtman</title>
		<link>http://www.beenthinking.org/2009/03/13/in-crisis/#comment-6124</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 21:08:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HOORAY to you Cheryl:  I prayed for you again this morning.  I&#039;m very happy for your and your husband..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HOORAY to you Cheryl:  I prayed for you again this morning.  I&#8217;m very happy for your and your husband..</p>
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		<title>By: cherielyn</title>
		<link>http://www.beenthinking.org/2009/03/13/in-crisis/#comment-6123</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 20:15:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Philippians 4:6-9 (KJV)
6 Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God. 
7 And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus. 
8 Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things. 
9 Those things, which ye have both learned, and received, and heard, and seen in me, do: and the God of peace shall be with you.

Be careful for nothing means: Be anxious for nothing.  We are not to worry about what tomorrow may bring.  Sadly, too many people, Christians included, wring their hands every time they hear things like this.

As for me, I&#039;m not going to allow myself to worry, needlessly, about man&#039;s predictions or prophecy.  God is and always has been in control.  I trust Him to get me through whatever lies ahead.

mtman, got my letter today.  The hospital is giving a 35% reduction in my bill.  It&#039;s not as much as my hubby was hoping for, but I&#039;m happy with what we did receive.  At least we didn&#039;t have to pay 100%!  God knows our situation and somehow we will get the bills paid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Philippians 4:6-9 (KJV)<br />
6 Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God.<br />
7 And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.<br />
8 Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.<br />
9 Those things, which ye have both learned, and received, and heard, and seen in me, do: and the God of peace shall be with you.</p>
<p>Be careful for nothing means: Be anxious for nothing.  We are not to worry about what tomorrow may bring.  Sadly, too many people, Christians included, wring their hands every time they hear things like this.</p>
<p>As for me, I&#8217;m not going to allow myself to worry, needlessly, about man&#8217;s predictions or prophecy.  God is and always has been in control.  I trust Him to get me through whatever lies ahead.</p>
<p>mtman, got my letter today.  The hospital is giving a 35% reduction in my bill.  It&#8217;s not as much as my hubby was hoping for, but I&#8217;m happy with what we did receive.  At least we didn&#8217;t have to pay 100%!  God knows our situation and somehow we will get the bills paid.</p>
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		<title>By: mtman</title>
		<link>http://www.beenthinking.org/2009/03/13/in-crisis/#comment-6122</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 20:04:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seperated by denominations, seperated by political ideologies, seperated by race, sperated by just about anything that is different. If you disagree with what is true and right it is easy to start up your own sect, party, or religion, etc.  
Voltair said it best when some of his students came to him and said they were going to start another religion.  Voltairs response to them was that shouldn&#039;t be hard, all they need to do is find someone who is willing to die and then come back to life.   Modern day prophets have come and gone but only one person has ever died for me, and then prove it by rising on the third day.  To him alone I owe my eternal life. I don&#039;t know when the rapture is coming but I hope I&#039;m still here to see it.  Man that will be something to witness if you ask me.   I just love all the perspectives posted here, and thanks for this blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seperated by denominations, seperated by political ideologies, seperated by race, sperated by just about anything that is different. If you disagree with what is true and right it is easy to start up your own sect, party, or religion, etc.<br />
Voltair said it best when some of his students came to him and said they were going to start another religion.  Voltairs response to them was that shouldn&#8217;t be hard, all they need to do is find someone who is willing to die and then come back to life.   Modern day prophets have come and gone but only one person has ever died for me, and then prove it by rising on the third day.  To him alone I owe my eternal life. I don&#8217;t know when the rapture is coming but I hope I&#8217;m still here to see it.  Man that will be something to witness if you ask me.   I just love all the perspectives posted here, and thanks for this blog.</p>
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		<title>By: daisymarygoldr</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 19:37:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really don’t pay any attention to human predictions of end time events. The Bible is very clear about the signs of the times. Even Jesus Himself does not know about the time of His return…and God’s time line is certainly not relative to our time line. However, every breathing moment of my life, I live in conscious awareness of His promise to return. The hope motivates me to purity because the God I serve is pure and Holy!

Personally, we socialize with a family whose 11 year-old son suffers from autism. Very young Godly parents… who were completely devastated when they first learned of their child’s condition. In the beginning, they isolated themselves and turned down our invitations. It took a lot of prayers and persuasion by other Christians to help them come out of their shell of guilt, fear and shame. Sorrow turned into joy, once they were convinced, that their crisis is not due to personal sins…and that they are loved and accepted as normal as others. We love spending time with them …That child is so special and a delight to all of us….he loves to eat good food and always wants me to tickle him:) 

Amidst all the troubles and trials of life on this earth, Christ’s promise to return fills us with hope… all the more if we are in crisis or suffer due to the “thorn in our flesh” or in those who live around us. It is in crisis… that we cling to the hope that when we shall see Him our sick bodies will be flawless and perfect like His. All sickness and suffering of living in this fallen world will vanish and He will personally wipe every tear from our eyes, and there will be no more crisis or sorrow or crying or pain!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really don’t pay any attention to human predictions of end time events. The Bible is very clear about the signs of the times. Even Jesus Himself does not know about the time of His return…and God’s time line is certainly not relative to our time line. However, every breathing moment of my life, I live in conscious awareness of His promise to return. The hope motivates me to purity because the God I serve is pure and Holy!</p>
<p>Personally, we socialize with a family whose 11 year-old son suffers from autism. Very young Godly parents… who were completely devastated when they first learned of their child’s condition. In the beginning, they isolated themselves and turned down our invitations. It took a lot of prayers and persuasion by other Christians to help them come out of their shell of guilt, fear and shame. Sorrow turned into joy, once they were convinced, that their crisis is not due to personal sins…and that they are loved and accepted as normal as others. We love spending time with them …That child is so special and a delight to all of us….he loves to eat good food and always wants me to tickle him:) </p>
<p>Amidst all the troubles and trials of life on this earth, Christ’s promise to return fills us with hope… all the more if we are in crisis or suffer due to the “thorn in our flesh” or in those who live around us. It is in crisis… that we cling to the hope that when we shall see Him our sick bodies will be flawless and perfect like His. All sickness and suffering of living in this fallen world will vanish and He will personally wipe every tear from our eyes, and there will be no more crisis or sorrow or crying or pain!</p>
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		<title>By: Laurielee</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 18:52:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like mtman&#039;s illustration of the dogs. I do have to agree with rdrcomp, that &quot;Christian movements&quot; have come and gone, but Christ remains. I also wanted to add that many movements start with an emphasis on a particular rendering on only a piece of the Scriptures. Many also try to &quot;shoot the messenger&quot; or smear the legitimacy of the Bible by saying that the same Bible that decries homosexuality allowed slavery and polygamy. A question...if the Bible, being the Word of God, has stood for these thousands of years, why do we think we have such superior intelligences that we can fault it? If, in fact, it were faulty, don&#039;t we think it would have been figured out by now? These people of diverse takes on the Bible and parsing of words have and will pass away, but the Word of God will stand! It will not return to Him void. A further thought on Rev. Wilkerson&#039;s prophesy and the other article...God already told us these things...maybe not the particular place and time, but we&#039;ve already been warned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like mtman&#8217;s illustration of the dogs. I do have to agree with rdrcomp, that &#8220;Christian movements&#8221; have come and gone, but Christ remains. I also wanted to add that many movements start with an emphasis on a particular rendering on only a piece of the Scriptures. Many also try to &#8220;shoot the messenger&#8221; or smear the legitimacy of the Bible by saying that the same Bible that decries homosexuality allowed slavery and polygamy. A question&#8230;if the Bible, being the Word of God, has stood for these thousands of years, why do we think we have such superior intelligences that we can fault it? If, in fact, it were faulty, don&#8217;t we think it would have been figured out by now? These people of diverse takes on the Bible and parsing of words have and will pass away, but the Word of God will stand! It will not return to Him void. A further thought on Rev. Wilkerson&#8217;s prophesy and the other article&#8230;God already told us these things&#8230;maybe not the particular place and time, but we&#8217;ve already been warned.</p>
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		<title>By: Mart De Haan</title>
		<link>http://www.beenthinking.org/2009/03/13/in-crisis/#comment-6119</link>
		<dc:creator>Mart De Haan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 18:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>kaliko88,
I love that quote but had forgotten it. Thanks for the reminder!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kaliko88,<br />
I love that quote but had forgotten it. Thanks for the reminder!!</p>
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		<title>By: kaliko88</title>
		<link>http://www.beenthinking.org/2009/03/13/in-crisis/#comment-6118</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 18:16:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have read both articles and honestly I&#039;m left with both seriously considering the claims and questioning them with doubt.  There&#039;s not a single thing in them though that I can absolutely deny as untrue or impossible.  I have to admit, some of it resonates with my own thoughts and feelings what with all the news this past year.  I do try to just live each day and not spend so much time thinking of the future, but I am watchful.  I don&#039;t think we&#039;re supposed to ignore possible future events, we&#039;re just not supposed to worry obsessively about it.  Watch and trust, and act when we know it is right to do so.

I can say I have seen glimpses of the anti-Christian attitudes.  I think of them as practice bouts for my own responses, which have to be done carefully lest I make things worse.  That one part of the article I agree with - there is a anti-Christian movement coming, and it&#039;s going to be nasty.  Unfortunately, a lot of it is being fostered by what I consider to be wrong Christians.  I live where that pastor is, the one who bases most of his beliefs on the issue of homosexuality and acts on those beliefs by picketing everywhere.  His signs are an affront and ridiculous at the same time.  That is one of the more extreme examples, but I run into lesser ones constantly.  There&#039;s one at my night job, an employee who has managed to turn almost everyone against him with his attitude.  I find myself having to be a quiet, gentle, and friendly example.  It&#039;s less noisy and attention getting, but it is also a noticeable contrast sometimes.

I&#039;m left with this thought after all these ideas, a memory of a scene and quote from The Lord of the Rings.  When Gandalf told Frodo that all men wish that evil times would not come to them, but it is not for us to decide.  All we have to decide is what we will do with the time that is given to us.  I will continue to try to be quiet, gentle, friendly, and yet strong, strong and steady.  I hope it is the right way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have read both articles and honestly I&#8217;m left with both seriously considering the claims and questioning them with doubt.  There&#8217;s not a single thing in them though that I can absolutely deny as untrue or impossible.  I have to admit, some of it resonates with my own thoughts and feelings what with all the news this past year.  I do try to just live each day and not spend so much time thinking of the future, but I am watchful.  I don&#8217;t think we&#8217;re supposed to ignore possible future events, we&#8217;re just not supposed to worry obsessively about it.  Watch and trust, and act when we know it is right to do so.</p>
<p>I can say I have seen glimpses of the anti-Christian attitudes.  I think of them as practice bouts for my own responses, which have to be done carefully lest I make things worse.  That one part of the article I agree with &#8211; there is a anti-Christian movement coming, and it&#8217;s going to be nasty.  Unfortunately, a lot of it is being fostered by what I consider to be wrong Christians.  I live where that pastor is, the one who bases most of his beliefs on the issue of homosexuality and acts on those beliefs by picketing everywhere.  His signs are an affront and ridiculous at the same time.  That is one of the more extreme examples, but I run into lesser ones constantly.  There&#8217;s one at my night job, an employee who has managed to turn almost everyone against him with his attitude.  I find myself having to be a quiet, gentle, and friendly example.  It&#8217;s less noisy and attention getting, but it is also a noticeable contrast sometimes.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m left with this thought after all these ideas, a memory of a scene and quote from The Lord of the Rings.  When Gandalf told Frodo that all men wish that evil times would not come to them, but it is not for us to decide.  All we have to decide is what we will do with the time that is given to us.  I will continue to try to be quiet, gentle, friendly, and yet strong, strong and steady.  I hope it is the right way.</p>
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		<title>By: rdrcomp</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 18:15:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Church began in crisis, and has been in crisis since its inception.  The situations may be different at times, but the fact remains and Jesus said it:  If the world hates you, you know that it has hated Me before it hated you.  If you were of the world, the world would love its own; but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, because of this the world hates you.  Remember the word that I said to you, A slave is not greater than his master If they persecuted Me, they will also persecute you..(John 15:18-20a) I think it is safe to say that Jesus did not promise us a bed of roses.  Crisis is part and parcel of real Christianity.

Part of the article from Christian Science Monitor I can believe:  Many Christians HAVE identified themselves in one political movement or another.  I have been uneasy about this one myself.  The main problem I see with modern Evangelicalism and the article said is:  we have failed to pass on to our young people an orthodox form of faith that can take root and survive the secular onslaught.  There is a lot of &quot;touchy-feely&quot; religion going on in our churches, and it won&#039;t support folks during crises.  Only a rock-solid faith &quot;once for all delivered to the saints&quot; (Jude 3) that Christians need to &quot;contend for&quot; will do.

Much else in the article is debatable.  I don&#039;t agree with David Wilkerson.  Some day, yes, this world will burn up with a fervent heat and then be restored, reconciled and renewed.  But I have real issues when someone says &quot;he is compelled by the Holy Spirit&quot; to warn about specific judgments.

Mart is right:  Jesus didn&#039;t react to crises.  And if we are &quot;in Christ&quot; we shouldn&#039;t either.  He knows whats happening and where He is going and He isn&#039;t an alarmist.  Neither should we be alarmed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Church began in crisis, and has been in crisis since its inception.  The situations may be different at times, but the fact remains and Jesus said it:  If the world hates you, you know that it has hated Me before it hated you.  If you were of the world, the world would love its own; but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, because of this the world hates you.  Remember the word that I said to you, A slave is not greater than his master If they persecuted Me, they will also persecute you..(John 15:18-20a) I think it is safe to say that Jesus did not promise us a bed of roses.  Crisis is part and parcel of real Christianity.</p>
<p>Part of the article from Christian Science Monitor I can believe:  Many Christians HAVE identified themselves in one political movement or another.  I have been uneasy about this one myself.  The main problem I see with modern Evangelicalism and the article said is:  we have failed to pass on to our young people an orthodox form of faith that can take root and survive the secular onslaught.  There is a lot of &#8220;touchy-feely&#8221; religion going on in our churches, and it won&#8217;t support folks during crises.  Only a rock-solid faith &#8220;once for all delivered to the saints&#8221; (Jude 3) that Christians need to &#8220;contend for&#8221; will do.</p>
<p>Much else in the article is debatable.  I don&#8217;t agree with David Wilkerson.  Some day, yes, this world will burn up with a fervent heat and then be restored, reconciled and renewed.  But I have real issues when someone says &#8220;he is compelled by the Holy Spirit&#8221; to warn about specific judgments.</p>
<p>Mart is right:  Jesus didn&#8217;t react to crises.  And if we are &#8220;in Christ&#8221; we shouldn&#8217;t either.  He knows whats happening and where He is going and He isn&#8217;t an alarmist.  Neither should we be alarmed.</p>
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