Comments on: A Surprisingly Strong Woman

By: laney

laney — Mon, 27 Apr 2009 21:15:55 +0000

GeeTee, Please forgive me for asuming that you were talking to me.This has turned into a blessing for meI took to heart what you said about the study bibles and commentaries.I have been praying about this.This pastor has said that the Lord had him write these expositor’s study bibles because the bible is so hard to under stand.I said to my friend what happened to the Holy spirit helping us to understand the bible.I forget what her answer was to that.Now his grandson is writing one for the teenagersThis pastor has suggested we buy these for everypastor and person you know you need to get them into there hands it is changing peoples lives.My friend has been doing just that telling me that the holy spirit is showing her who to give to.Meanwhile I’m thinking it’s not the holy spirit its JS telling you to do this.One time watching there live church service I said to my friend that I felt the worship was more of enterainment than worship.Well she informed me that I don’t know the Holy spirits anointing.For a while I went along with her because She knew so much more of the bible than I did so I always looked to her to guide me in the right direction.I do like some of JS church services and at times I have felt the Holy spirit anointing.I guess what I’am trying to say is that you confirmed what I have been already thinking and praying about.that is taking his word on how he has interpret the bible.Thanks again Gee Tee for looking out for us. God Bless you.

By: Charis

Charis — Mon, 27 Apr 2009 15:24:35 +0000

daisymary said:
It is not just the toddler’s mother. I’m also getting stressed out by Prov 31. Have no business acumen whatsoever and I do not buy or sell anything….

((((cyberhugs)))) I prayed for you, sounds like a lot stress on your plate at the moment!

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I just wanted to add- about the Proverbs 31 woman, that the instruction is from King Lemuel’s mother to her son, ie this is not directed at woman as a perfectionistic “standard” for us to strive to live up to. This is directed to a young man as a “what to look for in a wife” kind of teaching. What comes across strongly to me is that this mother does not want her son to be intimidated by a strong, capable, gifted woman, but to embrace such a woman’s strengths.

(and daisymary, you are a strong, capable and gifted woman, even if it isn’t necessarily in “real estate”)

By: Laurielee

Laurielee — Mon, 27 Apr 2009 13:46:28 +0000

Thank you all for helping me with this! I guess what’s really upsetting me is…the Christians! Those of us who’ve stood up and said that this is wrong have been called bigots and unloving by the Christians. I do not want to do or turn G-d’s word around to what He does not want me to. I don’t want to go along my merry way thinking that I’m doing what the Bible tells me to do but getting it all wrong. I don’t hate anyone. If someone needs help, I am not going to first ask if they are saved or unsaved, gay or straight, or whatever…BUT I don’t want to lead them into condemnation by acting as if what they’re doing is ok. I also want to point out that as I’m talking about others, I’m a sinner too. A forgiven one….but that doesn’t mean that I don’t continually grow, too.

By: mtman

mtman — Mon, 27 Apr 2009 13:24:27 +0000

Laurielee:
Homosexuality is considered an abomination in the bible. Others have properly cited the references. So is murder, and many other sins. We all sin and fall short. Homosexuality is a sin and should be dealt with that way. It existed for a long time but was never as much in your face as it is today. Our society is decaying and there is much pressure on us Christians to accept it or at the least not to speak out about it. Those who want to sin will continue to do so as long as they think it is accepted. To show toleration to an openly sinner is not what we were called to be. They must show some repentance and turn from their sin. I don’t see that happening. Are we in the last days as the bible describes? I don’t know but what I do know is that we consider the good ole USA as our center of the universe and that is wrong. We are focused on what is happening here and in other parts of the world things are much different. Sone worse and some better. I don’t think we can consider just because things are bad here that it is the end of the world. Maybe it is the end of our world as we know it.
Is it any suprise that so many are being drawn to the Muslem belief? They deal with all the things that are pulling us down in a straight forward and harsh manner. Those churches who simply want to be politically correct and “love the sinner and hate the sin” are not speaking up for what their teaching stands for. If you want to see the end result of that thinking look at the Episcopal Church. They have a confessed and active homosexual bishop. Or the Catholic Church with the priests abusing young boys.
So do you speak up, I agree with GeeTee that walking a picket line may not be the answer because there will be another one with a sinful point of view across the street shouting you down. I think you have to either speak up when given the chance or abandon your faith and let the rocks cry out, because they will. There are many ways to do that but less confrontational. I would say if you weep for anyone – weep for those who are so caught up in sin they refuse to turn away. Regardless what that sin is. Is it any wonder the rest of the world sees the USA as the great satan? We make homosexuality attractive, we kill our babies, we flaunt our sins in the eyes of the world. Those who are weaker nations have no choice other than accept it. Those who choose to sin are in the headlines and those who oppose it are silent for fear of hurting anothers feelings or offending anyone. It is what it is, it is sin because the bible tells us so. No you should speak up and when you do you will be attack for sure. So you need to be prepared. Satan’s best tool is for people not to believe he exists. To the rest of us he keeps us under personal attack. So if you don’t stand for something you will end up standing for nothing. Then Satan is the victor.

By: Rick123

Rick123 — Mon, 27 Apr 2009 08:38:37 +0000

Laurielee: We are his new creature(new man), with the Mind(attitude) of Christ in Jesus to do his good works, which God the Father prepared before that we should walk in them. So we should let the light of Christ shine before men, that they may see our good works, and glorify our Father which is in heaven.

We should take heed to all the counsel of God’s scripture, for it will make us wise unto salvation, of the knowledge, of the Son of God. It will profit us in doctrine, it will reproof us, and correct us, in the way of what is just.

What does God desire of us? He has showed us, what is good. And what does God want of us? but to do justice, and live in love, and mercy, to walk humbly with our neighbor and with our God.

To love and have mercy for the poor, the needy, the unwanted, the sick, and despised of this world.

Let us not close our heart to them, nor laugh or speak evil against them, for their Creator will hear their cry from his throne. Remember He that sits enthroned as King forever, makes poor, and makes rich, He brings low, and lifts up.

Let us do good unto all people, and be full of good works, ready and willing to give what power God have given in our hand. That we might be zealous, and rich in good works toward God.

In (Luk 12:15-21), Jesus said to take heed, and beware of covetousness, because our life does not depend on the abundance of things we own. He then spoke a parable about a certain rich man who produced a lot of wealth in his life, and when he was full of wealth, he said unto himself, what shall I do with all my wealth? He then said unto himself, I will build a large bank for all my wealth. He then said within his heart, I am abundantly rich to be at ease for many years, and to have a lot of parties. But God visited him at night, and said unto him, you unwise man, this night your candle will be put out, to whom will you leave all your wealth that you have acquired for yourself?(Luk 12:21 So [is] he that layeth up treasure for himself, and is not rich toward God….Tts 1:16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny [him], being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.)

In another parable, Jesus spoke about three men with God given gifts that were given unto them according to their ability. One was given five gifts of the Holy Spirit, the second one was given two gifts of the Holy Spirit, and the third one was given one gift of the Holy Spirit.

The one with the five gifts made another five gifts, and so likewise he that had received two, he also gained other two. But he that had received one gift from his Lord, used it not by faith.

And as time passed by, their Lord returns, and deals with them about what they had done with the gifts he had given them. Unto one he said, I have given you five gifts, and you have gained five more. Then said his Lord unto him, you did good, my good and faithful servant. You have been faithful with the few things I have given you, I will make you king to rule over many things.

Unto the one who had received two gifts, his Lord said unto him, I have given you two gifts, and you have gained two more. Then said his Lord unto him, you did good, my good and faithful servant. You have been faithful with the few things I have given you, I will make you king to rule over many things.

Unto the one who had received one gift, the Lord said unto him, I have given you one gift, and you did not use it, you lazy and wicked servant, you should have used it by faith, and therefore gained one more for me at my return.

Take away from that evil servant his gift, and give it to him who has ten gifts. for unto him that has, shall be given, and he shall have a lot, but he who has not, even what he has shall be taken away from him.

Take that unprofitable wicked servant and cast him into the outer darkness, and there shall be crying, and grinding of teeth.(Tts 1:16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny [him], being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.)

Tts 3:8 [This is] a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men.

Hbr 10:24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:

Same sex marriages according to the bible are not right but twisted. If they continue to take a stronghold in society, they will be mocking God’s divine order of his human family.

No man made law on earth can supercede God’s divine moral code of conduct, which is in heaven(Rev 11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail…Rev 15:5 And after that I looked, and, behold, the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened:)

By: GeeTee

GeeTee — Mon, 27 Apr 2009 05:53:42 +0000

I understand your concern Laurielee,believe me. We just went through that whole sm-sx ordeal here in CA. Civil authority began to issue license…the populace got enough signatures to get it on the ballot and voted against it…the state supreme court overturned the voter voice and reinstated…another petition to get it on the ballot and it was voted down again & now it’s back to square one with the court ready to overturn. The hmsxl lobby is huge here in CA and will get their way, no doubt. There’s probably as many hmsxl’s in CA as there are people in IA, and whether it’s civilly and socially acceptable isn’t the guideline that we as Christians should use in our acceptance or displeasure of that lifestyle. Holy Scripture addresses the practice on more than a few occasions, so get the Book out and take a look. Exodus18:22, Lev20:13, ICor6:9, and in Romans 1:26-28 it’s stated in terms not quite as explicit, but definitely implied. Should we take a tolerant approach and say nothing? As we’re revolted inside and have love in our heart for those involved and find ourselves agonizing the fact that they don’t wanna hear about the deviate lifestyle they’ve chosen, what exactly is it that we’re to do? Man…tough one. That old “I ain’t hurtin’ nobody don’t hold no water”. They might not be hurting me singularly, physically, but the overall effect that decadence and corruption has on society as a whole is the real damage done and collectively we pay. Psalm12:8 “The wicked prowl on every side, when vileness is exalted among the sons of men.” There was an appellate judge that was a Supreme Court nominee about 20 years ago by the name of Robert Bork. After his rejection to the court he wrote a most accurate(in my eyes) expose of America titled “Slouching Towards Gomorrah”. Among the many topics he touched on that were bringing about the not only ‘dumbing down’ of the US, but what he considered to be the collapse was TOLERANCE. In order to be politically correct you must be tolerant of any and all agendas that are not your own, no matter what. And now we’re seeing what I term as “churchianically correct”. Enough damage can be done when an unregenerate world does all those despicable things…but when the church(I use the term loosely) tolerates these behaviors in any way so nobody gets offended I can say that it’s probably pretty much all over but the cryin’. It’s a sad state of affairs and it ain’t just America. So I empathize with your dilemma Laurielee. Believe me. I know hmsxls and have shared my testimony with them, but they want no part of anything that condemns them. And the Word of God does precisely that. Hey! It condemns us all, and everything we’ve ever done until we receive the grace and mercy of God that the Lord Jesus gives so freely. I can only suggest prayer for those who are lost and to be gentle and kind should opportunity to witness to them occur. I don’t really think walking the picket-line in protest is an effective way to address the situation like some folk do. But that’s just me. Up-page ‘laney’ kind of insinuated that I……?? Hey, I’m just an ol’ guy that takes the time to search the scriptures, and I am not afraid to correct something that is apparently off course. But as a rule and custom I address my disputes to the person by name. Much more effective that way. But as long as we’re on topic I’d like to say to all: “Be cautious when you pick up any personalized study bibles, commentaries, expository stuff, prophecy stuff, annotated stuff, all kinds of writings and so-called “new” revelation stuff.” There’s a conspiracy being worked in these last days by that “other guy” and his legion to do evrything they can to deceive us. Be on the alert. There are those who cling to distorted teachings and understanding because they can not reconcile their logic with the plain biblical perspective and revelation. As such, all scriptures are interpreted in a way that supports their own presuppositions and in line with their own human logic and reasoning. Thanks for listening. GT

By: daisymarygoldr

daisymarygoldr — Mon, 27 Apr 2009 05:12:16 +0000

Laurilee, I’m sure your Q will be addressed. Please don’t let your poor head hurt about it too much though…praying that you’ll be filled with His peace.

Laney, I am really thankful to the Lord for blessing me with such wonderful people like you and the others here. I will always struggle with the proverbial woman who makes me feel very insecure and weak but when I was weak God strengthened me through you. Thank you Laney, for your encouragement and your insights… you have blessed my life!

Mtman, I’m totally with you on King Solomon. Will never be able to figure out that personality…

Donjo, I was also thinking of Ruth who represents the Church… and was considered a virtuous woman (Ruth 3:11) by Boaz— a type of Christ. That threshing floor scene in which she submits herself at the feet (not head) of Boaz… is packed with such deeply enriching spiritual truths.

By: Laurielee

Laurielee — Mon, 27 Apr 2009 01:46:43 +0000

I’m directing this post to Mr. Mart, or anyone else that can help me to understand.

We have descriptions, as with the above proverbs, and many other places in the Old and New Testaments that tell us the ideals or qualities that we should strive for, though we are unable to fully achieve them in our own strength.
In church this morning, our lesson was on the fact that we are saved through what Christ did, and not what we do. (Though I understand that in Him, the old has gone, the new has come, therefore we live for Christ, which I fully believe.)
There are also many places in the Bible that tell us how to distinguish between good and bad behavior, and that we are to correct each other.
I know that faith without works is dead, but we are saved by grace alone. (Saved FOR good works, and not BY good works.)
Paul says that, “G-d forbid, we should do what we want.” (paraphrase)
So, do we correct each other’s behavior, or not?
Does it mean that anyone can do anything, and that the guidance in the Bible is merely a suggestion?
Are the “suggestions” for behavior only for Christians?
If someone were to rob someone, wouldn’t the believer and the unbeliever both be disciplined?
I guess this is coming about because all of the talk here in Iowa. Tomorrow they will start issuing marriage licenses for same-s*x couples. There is one thought from people that we are all interpreting the bible wrong, and it doesn’t really say that homosexuality is wrong. There is, of course, another thought that it is wrong. There is also the group that tell us to keep the Bible out of their lives. Myself, I hear all the talk, but the only absolute authority I have, and the only confidence, ultimately, I have, is in G-d’s Word. And if an angel from heaven were to tell us other than what is written, we are not to listen. I corresponded with a textual analyst, who told me that in all the fragmentary Scripture we have, it is very clear that the text references do indeed say that a man should not lie with a man. For it to have been otherwise would have to have been a conspiracy of great proportions. (Especially since many of the writers never met each other. Which also would take G-d breathed inspiration out of the equation.)
Do we simply flounder around, just HOPING that we’re doing what we should?
Do we keep our understanding of the Scripture to ourselves and NOT share our thoughts with others???

Would you all mind giving me your thoughts on this dilemma? It’s making my head hurt!

By: laney

laney — Mon, 27 Apr 2009 01:44:29 +0000

GeeTee, I have never for one minute thought That I have been given a super natural power to extract from the word some new understanding.I just got out my Jimmy Swaggart Expositors study bible and opened it up to Proverbs 31:10 Who can find a virtuous woman for her price is far above rubies.JS wrote that the virtuous woman can also apply to the church and what it ought to be.So after reading that I assumed that this could be taken both ways literally and spiritually.I was just passing on to everyone what I had just read.Maybe I misunderstood him.If so I’am sorry.The words of King Lemuel,the prophecy that his mother taught him.[“Lemuel” was another name for Solomon.His mother was Bath-Sheba.The senseof this proverb is that his mother kept teaching him continually.}taken fromJimmy Swaggart expositor’s study bible.

By: poohpity

poohpity — Mon, 27 Apr 2009 01:32:07 +0000

Rick123,

How do you think Mary felt when she realized she was kissing the face of God?