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		<title>By: daisymarygoldr</title>
		<link>http://www.beenthinking.org/2009/05/27/discouraged-workers-unemployment-and-faith/#comment-8242</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 20:26:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve/SFDBWV, thank you for sharing your story about the church helping and coming together to your rescue… it is inspiring! I do agree with what the others have pointed out… for the church to also meet the material needs of the flock… 

Back home the church modeled itself according to the early church… as we lived every day in expectation of the Lord to return soon. So there is constant giving and sharing. All those who have secular jobs know fully well that it is God who provides us with jobs… not that we earn to consume it for ourselves… not that we hoard it for our children or our children’s children… but God provides us with material resources so that we provide for our brothers and sisters in need… to help provide for those who leave their secular jobs in order to evangelize to the lost. 

It is a delight to see the church that I attend here also doing a lot to meet the financial burden of its needy members by giving… and even helping them find jobs. The previous church I attended before relocating also gave generously to its own in need… and shared in the burden of their single parents. 

This is exactly the meaning of fellowship… to demonstrate our faith/love in action. We must first meet the needs of our own brothers and sisters in Christ… i.e. those who belong to the household of faith. &quot;It&#039;s not right to take bread out of children&#039;s mouths and throw it to their dogs.&quot; Sorry, people… if this sounds offensive to you … but honestly speaking…if we cannot serve and meet the needs of our own fellow believers… how can we even think of helping unbelievers? 

Besides, in the end the King will tell the sheep in His right to enter into His kingdom because… they helped and met the needs of… not unbelievers of the world… but those who met the needs of their own brethren! Who is my neighbor that I am called to love? It is the blood-bought saint… my very own brother and sister in Christ! 

This does not mean that we should not seek to do good to unbelievers. The immediate church family is always the first priority. We must first care for our own household… to do good works of mercy and compassion. Our benevolence however, is not just limited to the children of the household… namely Christians… it first fulfills the needs of those within our household and then overflows beyond our boundaries to fulfill the needs of those who are in the world. 

It is unfortunate that sometimes in our zeal as good Samaritans we tend to do this the other way around… that is focus on feeding the unbelievers while our fellow-believers are left to feed on the scraps that fall off our tables. Just my thoughts…</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve/SFDBWV, thank you for sharing your story about the church helping and coming together to your rescue… it is inspiring! I do agree with what the others have pointed out… for the church to also meet the material needs of the flock… </p>
<p>Back home the church modeled itself according to the early church… as we lived every day in expectation of the Lord to return soon. So there is constant giving and sharing. All those who have secular jobs know fully well that it is God who provides us with jobs… not that we earn to consume it for ourselves… not that we hoard it for our children or our children’s children… but God provides us with material resources so that we provide for our brothers and sisters in need… to help provide for those who leave their secular jobs in order to evangelize to the lost. </p>
<p>It is a delight to see the church that I attend here also doing a lot to meet the financial burden of its needy members by giving… and even helping them find jobs. The previous church I attended before relocating also gave generously to its own in need… and shared in the burden of their single parents. </p>
<p>This is exactly the meaning of fellowship… to demonstrate our faith/love in action. We must first meet the needs of our own brothers and sisters in Christ… i.e. those who belong to the household of faith. &#8220;It&#8217;s not right to take bread out of children&#8217;s mouths and throw it to their dogs.&#8221; Sorry, people… if this sounds offensive to you … but honestly speaking…if we cannot serve and meet the needs of our own fellow believers… how can we even think of helping unbelievers? </p>
<p>Besides, in the end the King will tell the sheep in His right to enter into His kingdom because… they helped and met the needs of… not unbelievers of the world… but those who met the needs of their own brethren! Who is my neighbor that I am called to love? It is the blood-bought saint… my very own brother and sister in Christ! </p>
<p>This does not mean that we should not seek to do good to unbelievers. The immediate church family is always the first priority. We must first care for our own household… to do good works of mercy and compassion. Our benevolence however, is not just limited to the children of the household… namely Christians… it first fulfills the needs of those within our household and then overflows beyond our boundaries to fulfill the needs of those who are in the world. </p>
<p>It is unfortunate that sometimes in our zeal as good Samaritans we tend to do this the other way around… that is focus on feeding the unbelievers while our fellow-believers are left to feed on the scraps that fall off our tables. Just my thoughts…</p>
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		<title>By: daisymarygoldr</title>
		<link>http://www.beenthinking.org/2009/05/27/discouraged-workers-unemployment-and-faith/#comment-8241</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 20:25:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>pappy58, you are a very kind and benevolent soul and God will certainly bless you for blessing others with the goodness of your heart. I am deeply touched with the confused cries of your heart and I know my words here on this blog may not be of much help to you… still with all the love of Christ and as someone who has been there before, I will urge you to keep trusting Him. 

pappy58, with all this worrying are you able to add even an inch to your height? Unless we experience troubles, we will have no experience of what it means to exercise our God-given faith… to simply trust God. Remember it is God who has created you, your wife and your children and it is He who cares for all of you…. not you or your job or your employer. 

If you are a Christian who believes in Christ… then your Christian journey is on the train called faith… and the engine driver is Christ. When the train goes through the tunnel of sickness, unemployment… and the world gets dark due to death or poverty, will you jump out? Of course not! You sit still and trust Christ even if you don’t understand His language or instructions… He perfectly knows the way and will certainly get you through. Praying for you…</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>pappy58, you are a very kind and benevolent soul and God will certainly bless you for blessing others with the goodness of your heart. I am deeply touched with the confused cries of your heart and I know my words here on this blog may not be of much help to you… still with all the love of Christ and as someone who has been there before, I will urge you to keep trusting Him. </p>
<p>pappy58, with all this worrying are you able to add even an inch to your height? Unless we experience troubles, we will have no experience of what it means to exercise our God-given faith… to simply trust God. Remember it is God who has created you, your wife and your children and it is He who cares for all of you…. not you or your job or your employer. </p>
<p>If you are a Christian who believes in Christ… then your Christian journey is on the train called faith… and the engine driver is Christ. When the train goes through the tunnel of sickness, unemployment… and the world gets dark due to death or poverty, will you jump out? Of course not! You sit still and trust Christ even if you don’t understand His language or instructions… He perfectly knows the way and will certainly get you through. Praying for you…</p>
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		<title>By: pappy58</title>
		<link>http://www.beenthinking.org/2009/05/27/discouraged-workers-unemployment-and-faith/#comment-8239</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 19:25:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, Wreth, Pooh, Mtman and all. I appreciate all your wisdom and kind words. Unfortunately, they will not pay for my rent, or my mobile home payment, or my disabled wife&#039;s medical bills. They will make it easier for me to cope though.

I do not believe I have ever heard God &quot;speak&quot; to me.  I have gotten emotional at times just in thought or when I hear a particular song on the radio.  Just yesterday, my wife and I were enroute to sign a lease on our new apartment.  We can only rent because my credit is a mess from my divorce,whch, by the way, I tried my best to fight. Anyway, this old man was staring at the road that we were just pulling out of.  The poor guy looked like he was lost, so I stopped right there and asked him what he was doing.  He said he was looking for the bus stop.  I told him that it was right across the street but it was a busy one so I would help him cross. So, I took him by the arm and we crossed together.  He was walking with a cane and had a cast on his left arm like he had just returned from a hospital.  Anyways, he thanked me and told me he lived in a place downtown where homeless people do. I told him to stay by the bus stop and stay close to the sign so he would not wander off.

On the way to the apartment I spoke to my wife and then I realized, he probably did not have bus fare. As we were enroute, we spotted a shopping cart left close to the road with stuff in it. When I though where this man might go, a tear welled in my eyes. If this was his cart, he surely wandered a long way. Unfortunately we were running late for our appointment and could only do so much. So she called the police and they took care of the situation. The officer said that the man got safely on the bus and all was well.

I could not clear my mind. I kept thinking that I should have taken the time to stop and wait with him for the bus, then pay his fare and watch him get seated. i mean if I was truly walking in fellowship with Him, wouldn&#039;t I have thought about this sooner? 
Afterward, my wife asked me if I felt good about my good samaritan act. I jokingly remarked,&quot;yes I do, but I wonder what else will go wrong in my life now that I did this thing?&quot;

Could this have been the voice of God? I don&#039;t know.  All I know is I will keep striving to be like Joshua and try my best to to what I believe the Lord wants me to do. I just wish He would make it much more clear to me.  I&#039;m so confused!

Pooh. I have distinguished needs and wants. I never buy anything myself for myself because I am always preoccupied with helping other family members. Mostly when I pray I pray for others. For the very first time that I can remember, I waited in line a few weeks ago for food at a local church. It sure was embarrassing for me, but I did it. This was when we had not received a check of any kind in a month. The only reason I agreed to do it is because my wife is a Diabetic and she needed food. Anyways, she called me just before my number came up to receive the food and told me my check finally arrived.  I walked up to the lady from the church, handed her my number, and told her  to give this to someone with a higher number, because I do not need it anymore. Then I walked off.

If God speaks to me directly, I believe it is in a language that I don&#039;t understand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Wreth, Pooh, Mtman and all. I appreciate all your wisdom and kind words. Unfortunately, they will not pay for my rent, or my mobile home payment, or my disabled wife&#8217;s medical bills. They will make it easier for me to cope though.</p>
<p>I do not believe I have ever heard God &#8220;speak&#8221; to me.  I have gotten emotional at times just in thought or when I hear a particular song on the radio.  Just yesterday, my wife and I were enroute to sign a lease on our new apartment.  We can only rent because my credit is a mess from my divorce,whch, by the way, I tried my best to fight. Anyway, this old man was staring at the road that we were just pulling out of.  The poor guy looked like he was lost, so I stopped right there and asked him what he was doing.  He said he was looking for the bus stop.  I told him that it was right across the street but it was a busy one so I would help him cross. So, I took him by the arm and we crossed together.  He was walking with a cane and had a cast on his left arm like he had just returned from a hospital.  Anyways, he thanked me and told me he lived in a place downtown where homeless people do. I told him to stay by the bus stop and stay close to the sign so he would not wander off.</p>
<p>On the way to the apartment I spoke to my wife and then I realized, he probably did not have bus fare. As we were enroute, we spotted a shopping cart left close to the road with stuff in it. When I though where this man might go, a tear welled in my eyes. If this was his cart, he surely wandered a long way. Unfortunately we were running late for our appointment and could only do so much. So she called the police and they took care of the situation. The officer said that the man got safely on the bus and all was well.</p>
<p>I could not clear my mind. I kept thinking that I should have taken the time to stop and wait with him for the bus, then pay his fare and watch him get seated. i mean if I was truly walking in fellowship with Him, wouldn&#8217;t I have thought about this sooner?<br />
Afterward, my wife asked me if I felt good about my good samaritan act. I jokingly remarked,&#8221;yes I do, but I wonder what else will go wrong in my life now that I did this thing?&#8221;</p>
<p>Could this have been the voice of God? I don&#8217;t know.  All I know is I will keep striving to be like Joshua and try my best to to what I believe the Lord wants me to do. I just wish He would make it much more clear to me.  I&#8217;m so confused!</p>
<p>Pooh. I have distinguished needs and wants. I never buy anything myself for myself because I am always preoccupied with helping other family members. Mostly when I pray I pray for others. For the very first time that I can remember, I waited in line a few weeks ago for food at a local church. It sure was embarrassing for me, but I did it. This was when we had not received a check of any kind in a month. The only reason I agreed to do it is because my wife is a Diabetic and she needed food. Anyways, she called me just before my number came up to receive the food and told me my check finally arrived.  I walked up to the lady from the church, handed her my number, and told her  to give this to someone with a higher number, because I do not need it anymore. Then I walked off.</p>
<p>If God speaks to me directly, I believe it is in a language that I don&#8217;t understand.</p>
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		<title>By: Mart De Haan</title>
		<link>http://www.beenthinking.org/2009/05/27/discouraged-workers-unemployment-and-faith/#comment-8237</link>
		<dc:creator>Mart De Haan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 18:28:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have mixed feelings about moving on. Thanks to all of you for telling something of your story and how you have seen the Lord meet your needs and reassure you. I hope many will continue to find your words posted here to be a source of encouragement for them as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have mixed feelings about moving on. Thanks to all of you for telling something of your story and how you have seen the Lord meet your needs and reassure you. I hope many will continue to find your words posted here to be a source of encouragement for them as well.</p>
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		<title>By: poohpity</title>
		<link>http://www.beenthinking.org/2009/05/27/discouraged-workers-unemployment-and-faith/#comment-8235</link>
		<dc:creator>poohpity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 16:45:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have also heard from the Lord. In 1994 while going to college, working and raising my sons, I was talking to my dad. I have wanted his approval for so long about finally doing everything right and all he had to say was, couldn&#039;t you be working more hours&quot;, needless to say I was crushed. I got into my van and was driving home sobbing and the Lord said to me &quot; I am proud of you&quot; and this peace came over me and all I felt was joy. Even though I do not live a perfect life the Lord was proud of me, my Father was proud of me. I will never ever forget that. So yes the Lord does speak to us. At that specific time I really needed to hear that more than anything and you guys bringing that up made me remember His words again which I really needed to remember again at this time. Thank you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have also heard from the Lord. In 1994 while going to college, working and raising my sons, I was talking to my dad. I have wanted his approval for so long about finally doing everything right and all he had to say was, couldn&#8217;t you be working more hours&#8221;, needless to say I was crushed. I got into my van and was driving home sobbing and the Lord said to me &#8221; I am proud of you&#8221; and this peace came over me and all I felt was joy. Even though I do not live a perfect life the Lord was proud of me, my Father was proud of me. I will never ever forget that. So yes the Lord does speak to us. At that specific time I really needed to hear that more than anything and you guys bringing that up made me remember His words again which I really needed to remember again at this time. Thank you!</p>
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		<title>By: SFDBWV</title>
		<link>http://www.beenthinking.org/2009/05/27/discouraged-workers-unemployment-and-faith/#comment-8234</link>
		<dc:creator>SFDBWV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 14:21:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>cherielyn,mtman,  Be encouraged and blessed when God audibly speaks to you, and don&#039;t fear ridicule.

He has spoken to me, I, like all of HIS sheep know HIS voice and recognize HIM.

I&#039;ll say this about hearing God speak, HE gets all your attention and you don&#039;t forget and you want more.

Steve</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cherielyn,mtman,  Be encouraged and blessed when God audibly speaks to you, and don&#8217;t fear ridicule.</p>
<p>He has spoken to me, I, like all of HIS sheep know HIS voice and recognize HIM.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll say this about hearing God speak, HE gets all your attention and you don&#8217;t forget and you want more.</p>
<p>Steve</p>
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		<title>By: cherielyn</title>
		<link>http://www.beenthinking.org/2009/05/27/discouraged-workers-unemployment-and-faith/#comment-8233</link>
		<dc:creator>cherielyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 13:54:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I posted my comment before reading most of the other comments.

I am praying for each of you who are going through difficulties.  Yes, times are tough, but we have an amazing God who cares about each of us, individually.  Trusting and praying that He will make a way for each one of you as you deal with life&#039;s daily struggles.

Mtman, I can identify with the experience you &quot;sat on&quot; for 30+ years.  A few weeks ago I shared a similar experience that I also &quot;sat on&quot; for just about as long as you have.  I feared sharing it because I believed that it would be dismissed as a figment of my imagination because &quot;they&quot; say: &quot;God does not speak, audibly, to people these days.&quot;  I did not want to be ridiculed for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I posted my comment before reading most of the other comments.</p>
<p>I am praying for each of you who are going through difficulties.  Yes, times are tough, but we have an amazing God who cares about each of us, individually.  Trusting and praying that He will make a way for each one of you as you deal with life&#8217;s daily struggles.</p>
<p>Mtman, I can identify with the experience you &#8220;sat on&#8221; for 30+ years.  A few weeks ago I shared a similar experience that I also &#8220;sat on&#8221; for just about as long as you have.  I feared sharing it because I believed that it would be dismissed as a figment of my imagination because &#8220;they&#8221; say: &#8220;God does not speak, audibly, to people these days.&#8221;  I did not want to be ridiculed for it.</p>
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		<title>By: cherielyn</title>
		<link>http://www.beenthinking.org/2009/05/27/discouraged-workers-unemployment-and-faith/#comment-8232</link>
		<dc:creator>cherielyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 13:28:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My only daughter worked for a major company for 15 years.  It has divisions all over the US (&amp; perhaps in some foreign countries).  Last August her division was closed.  She had the option of a severance package or transferring to another division in another state.  She chose the severance package because she had been attending evening classes in a Bible school for two years and did not want to quit mid-stream.  The school happens to be next to her apartment, so she does not have the expense of travel to get there.  I know I shouldn&#039;t, but I find myself amazed at my daughter&#039;s COMPLETE reliance on the Lord.  She is a prime example of trusting, TOTALLY, in God.  Yes, she gets unemployment and has backup finances from the severance package, but the backup $ is paying for her tuition.  In addition to her evening Bible school classes, she is taking daytime online courses to train for another career.

Fortunately she can do all this because she has no other family responsibilities.  That is about to change.  She was on a missions trip to Brazil three summers ago.  Near the end of the trip she met a man who was involved in the ministry of the church they had come down to assist.  They began communicating - first by email, then by phone.  She returned to Brazil last summer to get to know him &amp; his family better and came home engaged.  Right after arriving home is when her employment ended.

Her fiance&#039;s visa process started last fall.  It was approved in March and he arrived in the U.S. two weeks ago.  According to regulations they must be married within 90 days of his stepping foot on U.S. soil.  Their wedding will be on July 11th.  Hubby &amp; I would have liked to help contribute to the wedding expenses, but due to my unexpected surgery in February and no health insurance, living on a fixed income &amp; little savings, we just get by.

Our daughter&#039;s fiance&#039;s English is coming along fairly well, but being new here and jobs scarce he probably will have difficulty finding employment.  He is a very dedicated Christian.  Like my daughter, he is trusting God to provide for their needs - a trust that I have found lacking in many Christians who have walked with the Lord for years.

Throughout our lives, when circumstances seemed at their darkest, the Lord always came through for us.  He is an amazing God!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My only daughter worked for a major company for 15 years.  It has divisions all over the US (&amp; perhaps in some foreign countries).  Last August her division was closed.  She had the option of a severance package or transferring to another division in another state.  She chose the severance package because she had been attending evening classes in a Bible school for two years and did not want to quit mid-stream.  The school happens to be next to her apartment, so she does not have the expense of travel to get there.  I know I shouldn&#8217;t, but I find myself amazed at my daughter&#8217;s COMPLETE reliance on the Lord.  She is a prime example of trusting, TOTALLY, in God.  Yes, she gets unemployment and has backup finances from the severance package, but the backup $ is paying for her tuition.  In addition to her evening Bible school classes, she is taking daytime online courses to train for another career.</p>
<p>Fortunately she can do all this because she has no other family responsibilities.  That is about to change.  She was on a missions trip to Brazil three summers ago.  Near the end of the trip she met a man who was involved in the ministry of the church they had come down to assist.  They began communicating &#8211; first by email, then by phone.  She returned to Brazil last summer to get to know him &amp; his family better and came home engaged.  Right after arriving home is when her employment ended.</p>
<p>Her fiance&#8217;s visa process started last fall.  It was approved in March and he arrived in the U.S. two weeks ago.  According to regulations they must be married within 90 days of his stepping foot on U.S. soil.  Their wedding will be on July 11th.  Hubby &amp; I would have liked to help contribute to the wedding expenses, but due to my unexpected surgery in February and no health insurance, living on a fixed income &amp; little savings, we just get by.</p>
<p>Our daughter&#8217;s fiance&#8217;s English is coming along fairly well, but being new here and jobs scarce he probably will have difficulty finding employment.  He is a very dedicated Christian.  Like my daughter, he is trusting God to provide for their needs &#8211; a trust that I have found lacking in many Christians who have walked with the Lord for years.</p>
<p>Throughout our lives, when circumstances seemed at their darkest, the Lord always came through for us.  He is an amazing God!</p>
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		<title>By: SFDBWV</title>
		<link>http://www.beenthinking.org/2009/05/27/discouraged-workers-unemployment-and-faith/#comment-8231</link>
		<dc:creator>SFDBWV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 11:41:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In reading the comments this morning, I am compeled to repeat some of &quot;my&quot; story for thoes who have not read it.

In the Summer of 1999 my 21 year old son wrecked his car and spent the next 23 days in intensive care. The doctors gave him no chance at surviving or ever waking from the coma he was in.

In October of 1999 his mother, my wife of 30 years discovered she had cancer.

I had to quit working and stay at home to take care of my family. During the next several months our financial situation become very grave as did Rita&#039;s health.

Our local churches held fund raisers and took up special collections for our benifit. Their efforts saved us from ruin and carried us through until Social Secruity could come into play.

We weren&#039;t as desperate as some others, because of planning and decisions made early in life. But during this dark period in our lives the church certainly came to our rescue.

Steve</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reading the comments this morning, I am compeled to repeat some of &#8220;my&#8221; story for thoes who have not read it.</p>
<p>In the Summer of 1999 my 21 year old son wrecked his car and spent the next 23 days in intensive care. The doctors gave him no chance at surviving or ever waking from the coma he was in.</p>
<p>In October of 1999 his mother, my wife of 30 years discovered she had cancer.</p>
<p>I had to quit working and stay at home to take care of my family. During the next several months our financial situation become very grave as did Rita&#8217;s health.</p>
<p>Our local churches held fund raisers and took up special collections for our benifit. Their efforts saved us from ruin and carried us through until Social Secruity could come into play.</p>
<p>We weren&#8217;t as desperate as some others, because of planning and decisions made early in life. But during this dark period in our lives the church certainly came to our rescue.</p>
<p>Steve</p>
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		<title>By: HEY REV</title>
		<link>http://www.beenthinking.org/2009/05/27/discouraged-workers-unemployment-and-faith/#comment-8230</link>
		<dc:creator>HEY REV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 04:36:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mart:
Sometimes I feel pushed into these blogs because I don&#039;t want to take many words to express myself, and to give others who maybe need that space I would have taken.
See what I mean I doing that very thing now. SORRY.
Now let me shar with you what I meant about churchs helping in and at those critical times. A woman at the church served as the Secretary to the Pastor. I stopped there one morning to do a project, and while conversing with her she told me they lost their home. I was appauled. Why haven&#039;t we heard about this. Why didn&#039;t the Pastor share with the congregation (and not sharing any names) that a special collection was necessary to help a family.
This particular church was finanancially set to do it all on it&#039;s own, but it would have been a wonderful teaching for all of us.They did lose their home and fell into deeper financial troubles.
That&#039;s what I meant about helping as in Acts. I know each case has it&#039;s own merit.
I&#039;m talking about those times when churchs can do SOMETHING but do nothing. This same church didn&#039;t lift a finger when a person in the church needed some special shot to help him maybe live a litle longer and with a minimum amount of pain. The Pastor himself could have written it out of his own pocket let alone the church.
To put this into the right perspective Mart let me use &quot;wretch-like-me situation.&quot; He was right--on when saying &quot;IF THE CHURCH CAN&quot; Thats what I mean there are churchs out there right now &quot;WHO CAN BUT DON&#039;T&quot;
Your right about the situation in Acts 2 they knew who, how, when,and where to help. We&#039;re not doing that now (in the church) Pastors are just as fearful as their people out in front of them. I&#039;ve been in, visited many, and heard from other of my Pastor friends (and even heard them &quot;CONFESS&quot; they are fearful into my ears) If I lose my church what else can I do. (Luke 16 Shrewd manager)Remember when they preach to them they will always be Preaching to themselves also.
In my first blog at the bottom I prayed for all of those who took the time to share with us so that we can bring all of them before our LOrd. For those who can make a copy of these requests and take them with you into your prayer closet (as I will do the same)and all I can do is what we know in our hearts to do and that is &quot;TO TRUST HIM, WHO KNOWS ALL THINGS&quot;
The testimonies of &quot;wretch-like-me-Pappy58
and Saled just gives me the shivers. It truly touches me how so many can take sooo much for sooo long and not go bonkers. I would never want to trade with none of you.
Remember: NO SHOES---NO FEET teaching.
GOD BLESS ALL OF YOU
HeyREV</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mart:<br />
Sometimes I feel pushed into these blogs because I don&#8217;t want to take many words to express myself, and to give others who maybe need that space I would have taken.<br />
See what I mean I doing that very thing now. SORRY.<br />
Now let me shar with you what I meant about churchs helping in and at those critical times. A woman at the church served as the Secretary to the Pastor. I stopped there one morning to do a project, and while conversing with her she told me they lost their home. I was appauled. Why haven&#8217;t we heard about this. Why didn&#8217;t the Pastor share with the congregation (and not sharing any names) that a special collection was necessary to help a family.<br />
This particular church was finanancially set to do it all on it&#8217;s own, but it would have been a wonderful teaching for all of us.They did lose their home and fell into deeper financial troubles.<br />
That&#8217;s what I meant about helping as in Acts. I know each case has it&#8217;s own merit.<br />
I&#8217;m talking about those times when churchs can do SOMETHING but do nothing. This same church didn&#8217;t lift a finger when a person in the church needed some special shot to help him maybe live a litle longer and with a minimum amount of pain. The Pastor himself could have written it out of his own pocket let alone the church.<br />
To put this into the right perspective Mart let me use &#8220;wretch-like-me situation.&#8221; He was right&#8211;on when saying &#8220;IF THE CHURCH CAN&#8221; Thats what I mean there are churchs out there right now &#8220;WHO CAN BUT DON&#8217;T&#8221;<br />
Your right about the situation in Acts 2 they knew who, how, when,and where to help. We&#8217;re not doing that now (in the church) Pastors are just as fearful as their people out in front of them. I&#8217;ve been in, visited many, and heard from other of my Pastor friends (and even heard them &#8220;CONFESS&#8221; they are fearful into my ears) If I lose my church what else can I do. (Luke 16 Shrewd manager)Remember when they preach to them they will always be Preaching to themselves also.<br />
In my first blog at the bottom I prayed for all of those who took the time to share with us so that we can bring all of them before our LOrd. For those who can make a copy of these requests and take them with you into your prayer closet (as I will do the same)and all I can do is what we know in our hearts to do and that is &#8220;TO TRUST HIM, WHO KNOWS ALL THINGS&#8221;<br />
The testimonies of &#8220;wretch-like-me-Pappy58<br />
and Saled just gives me the shivers. It truly touches me how so many can take sooo much for sooo long and not go bonkers. I would never want to trade with none of you.<br />
Remember: NO SHOES&#8212;NO FEET teaching.<br />
GOD BLESS ALL OF YOU<br />
HeyREV</p>
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