For those preacher who had went through the “sin” can empathize more than those who didn’t go through, they learned through a hard way and I salute them for being able to overcome and lead a new life and in turns help others to do so. God always use these people to minister to others that have faced the similar problems. If a person is empathy enough, we will know that sometime people committed sin unknowingly due the blindness (spiritually).

Rick & Poohpity, I read both of your messages interestingly. My understanding of the whole bible is 4 letters – L-O-V-E & put it into action :)

God bless.

When did I ever say that? you are putting words in my mouth.

You said: To me it says along with the verses before and after, that we need to have a good idea about ourselves and not consider ourselves better than anyone else or we might just find ourselves falling into a trap.

Do you think that you are the only person who studies God’s word in it’s context?

You said: I do not mind being wrong and I am sorry you feel that way. I have backed off of responding to you in the past which I will start again not because you have proven me wrong but it sounds as if you feel I am attacking you which is not the case.

It may seem to you, that I feel like I am being attacked, but that is only your thoughts and not mine. And if you think you have not been proven wrong, then why not give a rebuttal(Act 19:8). Remember, when have I ever questioned anything of what you write on your posts? it is you who has done that to me. And I don’t go by feelings, I go by the leading of God’s Spirit.

You said: I wanted to cause some thought and understanding which I have failed to do. Eph 4:29

What is so wrong about telling someone he is wrong? does not scripture tell us that God’s word is good for reprove…2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:(2Ti 3:16)

I do not mind being wrong and I am sorry you feel that way. I have backed off of responding to you in the past which I will start again not because you have proven me wrong but it sounds as if you feel I am attacking you which is not the case. I wanted to cause some thought and understanding which I have failed to do. Eph 4:29

And you asked me: where in God’s word does it say we are nothing?

Well here it is: Gal 6:3 For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceiveth himself.

You said: Why would God’s word show that through the ages God has wanted only the best for us if we are nothing to Him.

Remember, God gave his best before the foundation of our world: 1Pe 1:19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: 20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you.

So we are nothing without Christ Jesus: Jhn 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, [they] are spirit, and [they] are life. Jhn 15:5 I am the vine, ye [are] the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

You said: I see you continually use God’s word to prove your truth rather than God’s truth.

Well, have I not proven you wrong?

You said: Scripture is taken out of context for you to prove something and sometimes honestly I do not really know what you are trying to say or what your point is with the scriptures that are blended and confused together.

Prove to me, where I am out of context in scripture? and if you don’t understand and seem to be confused about what I say, then why question me, so what is your point?

Don’t you think that we should question and examine our beliefs to see if they are truth, and our relationship with God? because according to God’s word we are nothing.

And I don’t let others think for me, nor do I follow others. They are not my teachers, but it is Christ’s Spirit(1Jo 2:27) that teaches me and not man.

“What is Truth?”

Deu 32:4 [He is] the Rock, his work [is] perfect: for all his ways [are] judgment: a God of *truth* and without iniquity, just and right [is] he.

Psa 119:142 Thy righteousness [is] an everlasting righteousness, and thy law [is] the *truth*.

Jhn 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the *truth*, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Jhn 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of *truth*, is come, he will guide you into *all truth*: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, [that] shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

2Ti 3:16 All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
We can’t establish truth only on the NT nor on the OT, but on both of them. And we can’t establish a doctrine only on the NT nor on the OT, but on both of them.

Being “simple-minded” is something I have to fight even here. Sometimes the subjects and following comments are confusing or too complex for me. I have to push myself to really look at everything and think about it. Sometimes I feel like begging everyone to use simpler words, or at least stop quoting the KJV. By being watchful of potential “spin” I prevent myself from acting “simple” but protect myself from being misled, even from those I wouldn’t normally suspect of putting a “spin” on something.

Good topic. Good wake-up call. Was feeling a little numb there for a bit.

Rick there is no way you can spoil anyone’s party here. It seems that you are in a party all your own and reading it is causing me to recognize exactly what happens when scripture is misinterpreted. It might benefit you to go to a Pastor or some other type of spiritual leader and discuss some of your thoughts with them. I only say this because I am very concerned about you and your relationship to God and what you believe to be true.