Comments on: In the Name of Jesus http://www.beenthinking.org/2009/06/17/in-the-name-of-jesus/ with Mart De Haan and Friends Sat, 21 Nov 2009 02:00:49 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: cherielyn http://www.beenthinking.org/2009/06/17/in-the-name-of-jesus/#comment-8592 cherielyn Sat, 20 Jun 2009 14:34:21 +0000 http://www.beenthinking.org/?p=5881#comment-8592 Posma: Thank you, so much, for sharing your insight and perspective! I believe that you may have a much better understanding of our relationship to God because of your culture. Yes, you are right that the traditions of Eastern Culture play an important role in this relationship. We Westerners have put too much emphasis on "our understanding" of how things are or should be. Thank you, again, for sharing. Your insights and perspective are a valuable asset. Mart, having been to Israel many times, have you gleaned any of the thoughts, relative to the culture, that Posma has shared on this subject during your visits? Posma: Thank you, so much, for sharing your insight and perspective! I believe that you may have a much better understanding of our relationship to God because of your culture. Yes, you are right that the traditions of Eastern Culture play an important role in this relationship. We Westerners have put too much emphasis on “our understanding” of how things are or should be.

Thank you, again, for sharing. Your insights and perspective are a valuable asset.

Mart, having been to Israel many times, have you gleaned any of the thoughts, relative to the culture, that Posma has shared on this subject during your visits?

]]> By: posma http://www.beenthinking.org/2009/06/17/in-the-name-of-jesus/#comment-8583 posma Sat, 20 Jun 2009 01:55:35 +0000 http://www.beenthinking.org/?p=5881#comment-8583 My name is Posma… My late father’s name: Surang. Throughout my life I’d never call him: “Papa Surang!” I always call him “Papa!” instead. Just “Papa!” without any name. I’ve done it since I was a toddler. He never required me to call “Papa Surang!” Just “Papa!”; enough. And I’d never need to call "Surang" either. WHY? Because a real father-son relationship is NOT based on the pronunciation of names; it is based on souls’ relationship. No names need to be uttered. I must remind you of the Eastern Culture, where the Gospel was firstly introduced by Jesus in the East, so that Eastern culture is the 'vehicle' in introducing the Gospel. We in the East never call our Father by name! Jesus taught us the faith to the Gospel (not merely Christianity, which is the product of the West). Jesus is the only Person who introduced us to our heavenly Father. Here again, our relationship to the Heavenly Father is not based upon mouth-to-ear communication, but on spiritual communication or relationship. Even on agaphe (love)! Therefore, the people of the Gospel do not need the name of the Father! In solitude, I just call Him Father, similar to the habit of Jesus, which can be read throughout the Gospel. But it is different in the presence of others, especially with people of other faith. Matt.5:16 must be applied: "Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heavens." Simply speaking, we have to show good works, and EXPLAIN (shine our light to them) it to others, such that they will understand our good works, then glorify the Father. A prayer to the Father in the presence of others is a kind of good works. But the others could not understand which Father we are speaking to. Explanation is needed there, so that the others may understand that we are praying to a Father, whom was introduced by Jesus! Clear enough, it is necessary to say “in the name of Jesus I pray.” That is: I pray to the Father introduced by Jesus, not to Father (Papa) Surang! Let those lukewarm Christians omit the name of Jesus from their prayers. No harm for them, since they’ve never had close relationship to the Father, anyway. For the people of the Gospel, omitting the name of Jesus in prayer is surely detrimental to their relationship to lovingly the Father. In the name of Jesus I state! My name is Posma…
My late father’s name: Surang.
Throughout my life I’d never call him: “Papa Surang!”
I always call him “Papa!” instead. Just “Papa!” without any name.
I’ve done it since I was a toddler.
He never required me to call “Papa Surang!” Just “Papa!”; enough.
And I’d never need to call “Surang” either.
WHY?
Because a real father-son relationship is NOT based on the pronunciation of names; it is based on souls’ relationship. No names need to be uttered.
I must remind you of the Eastern Culture, where the Gospel was firstly introduced by Jesus in the East, so that Eastern culture is the ‘vehicle’ in introducing the Gospel. We in the East never call our Father by name!
Jesus taught us the faith to the Gospel (not merely Christianity, which is the product of the West). Jesus is the only Person who introduced us to our heavenly Father.
Here again, our relationship to the Heavenly Father is not based upon mouth-to-ear communication, but on spiritual communication or relationship. Even on agaphe (love)!
Therefore, the people of the Gospel do not need the name of the Father! In solitude, I just call Him Father, similar to the habit of Jesus, which can be read throughout the Gospel.
But it is different in the presence of others, especially with people of other faith.
Matt.5:16 must be applied: “Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heavens.”
Simply speaking, we have to show good works, and EXPLAIN (shine our light to them) it to others, such that they will understand our good works, then glorify the Father.
A prayer to the Father in the presence of others is a kind of good works. But the others could not understand which Father we are speaking to. Explanation is needed there, so that the others may understand that we are praying to a Father, whom was introduced by Jesus! Clear enough, it is necessary to say “in the name of Jesus I pray.” That is: I pray to the Father introduced by Jesus, not to Father (Papa) Surang!
Let those lukewarm Christians omit the name of Jesus from their prayers. No harm for them, since they’ve never had close relationship to the Father, anyway.
For the people of the Gospel, omitting the name of Jesus in prayer is surely detrimental to their relationship to lovingly the Father.
In the name of Jesus I state!

]]> By: cherielyn http://www.beenthinking.org/2009/06/17/in-the-name-of-jesus/#comment-8567 cherielyn Fri, 19 Jun 2009 13:22:10 +0000 http://www.beenthinking.org/?p=5881#comment-8567 Thank you, to everyone who responded, for enlightening me. A big DUH went off in my brain when I read your responses. Sometimes I can't see the forest for the trees! :) I've previously read the verses that were referenced. Somehow they didn't make a connection in my brain on this subject. I really appreciate the correction & comments! THANKS SO MUCH! Thank you, to everyone who responded, for enlightening me. A big DUH went off in my brain when I read your responses. Sometimes I can’t see the forest for the trees! :)

I’ve previously read the verses that were referenced. Somehow they didn’t make a connection in my brain on this subject.

I really appreciate the correction & comments! THANKS SO MUCH!

]]> By: foreverblessed http://www.beenthinking.org/2009/06/17/in-the-name-of-jesus/#comment-8566 foreverblessed Fri, 19 Jun 2009 11:57:40 +0000 http://www.beenthinking.org/?p=5881#comment-8566 CHERIELYN, the covenant of the old testament is the old covenant. Hebrews 8:13 By calling this covenant new, he has made the first one obsolete; It was a Jew who wrote this, Paul, so he knew even Jews are not under the old covenant anymore. And since the way to God is opened we are allowed to call God our Father, so that is the whole positive thing about is. Christ has opened the way to the Father. That is more important than us not being able to call God Jehova. CHERIELYN, the covenant of the old testament is the old covenant. Hebrews 8:13 By calling this covenant new, he has made the first one obsolete;
It was a Jew who wrote this, Paul, so he knew even Jews are not under the old covenant anymore.
And since the way to God is opened we are allowed to call God our Father, so that is the whole positive thing about is. Christ has opened the way to the Father.
That is more important than us not being able to call God Jehova.

]]> By: Helmet http://www.beenthinking.org/2009/06/17/in-the-name-of-jesus/#comment-8564 Helmet Fri, 19 Jun 2009 03:50:49 +0000 http://www.beenthinking.org/?p=5881#comment-8564 CHERIELYN: John 1:12 (I don't know the verse in english) says that those who receive Him have the right to being done God's children, so adoption through faith is the right to be his people, like jewish. Is the same right we get to call Him "Father". See, many people know by memory a prayer "Father in Heaven..." and repeat it again and again, but there's no use if they are not His children, Jesus taught us through this verses haw to pray, so the first requirement is to be His child, leting Him enter to our heart. Do you see? We, saved people, are His children, His people, we have the right to call Him by His name. We are participants of His covenant. CHERIELYN: John 1:12 (I don’t know the verse in english) says that those who receive Him have the right to being done God’s children, so adoption through faith is the right to be his people, like jewish. Is the same right we get to call Him “Father”. See, many people know by memory a prayer “Father in Heaven…” and repeat it again and again, but there’s no use if they are not His children, Jesus taught us through this verses haw to pray, so the first requirement is to be His child, leting Him enter to our heart.
Do you see? We, saved people, are His children, His people, we have the right to call Him by His name. We are participants of His covenant.

]]> By: Helmet http://www.beenthinking.org/2009/06/17/in-the-name-of-jesus/#comment-8563 Helmet Fri, 19 Jun 2009 03:37:30 +0000 http://www.beenthinking.org/?p=5881#comment-8563 Rick, while I was reading I was thinking about this verse you shared Mat 12:30 I'm sure it requires faith to really pray in Jesus name, if not, we would be more worried about being polite with others. If we are that kind of polite person, we can't be His servants, we are like no flavor salt. So, for sure, there's no use to live for this kind of 'christian', I mean, there's no reason, because our life is hidden with Christ in God, so if we can't see this, we're onle passing the days 'the best we can'. WHAT FOR? Souls, that's what we are here for, and if we can't be able to do all in Jesus name, so what can we say to others. Conviction in our heart comes from the experience of God's answer to our prayer, answer comes from a faithful prayer, faith comes from His Word. Walking along with Him will lead us to talk, without planning it, I believe, therefore I talk about. CONVICTION CONVINCE OTHERS TO BELIEVE. We can't talk about nothing we really don't know. I asked Jesus for my mom's salvation, like many people do for their owns, but I really can say God answers because I asked Him to let me see her salvation, AND HE DID!!! So, that is a conviction in my heart, that nobody can steal from me, that's why, one friend could beleieve she will see her father salvation too. This is it, I believe, I pray in Jesus name so others will see my faith, if somebody hasn't faith, please, do not pray in His name, even, do not pray, unless you want to ask him for salvation, or for the real faith. BTW, I'm praying now for see my father's salvation. Hi, Steve, pooh, Rick, everybody my friends, receive a big hough, and always my love. STEVE, HOW IS MAT? Mart, thank you, always thank you. Rick, while I was reading I was thinking about this verse you shared Mat 12:30
I’m sure it requires faith to really pray in Jesus name, if not, we would be more worried about being polite with others. If we are that kind of polite person, we can’t be His servants, we are like no flavor salt. So, for sure, there’s no use to live for this kind of ‘christian’, I mean, there’s no reason, because our life is hidden with Christ in God, so if we can’t see this, we’re onle passing the days ‘the best we can’. WHAT FOR?
Souls, that’s what we are here for, and if we can’t be able to do all in Jesus name, so what can we say to others. Conviction in our heart comes from the experience of God’s answer to our prayer, answer comes from a faithful prayer, faith comes from His Word. Walking along with Him will lead us to talk, without planning it, I believe, therefore I talk about.

CONVICTION CONVINCE OTHERS TO BELIEVE. We can’t talk about nothing we really don’t know.

I asked Jesus for my mom’s salvation, like many people do for their owns, but I really can say God answers because I asked Him to let me see her salvation, AND HE DID!!! So, that is a conviction in my heart, that nobody can steal from me, that’s why, one friend could beleieve she will see her father salvation too.

This is it, I believe, I pray in Jesus name so others will see my faith, if somebody hasn’t faith, please, do not pray in His name, even, do not pray, unless you want to ask him for salvation, or for the real faith.

BTW, I’m praying now for see my father’s salvation.

Hi, Steve, pooh, Rick, everybody my friends, receive a big hough, and always my love. STEVE, HOW IS MAT?

Mart, thank you, always thank you.

]]> By: Rick123 http://www.beenthinking.org/2009/06/17/in-the-name-of-jesus/#comment-8562 Rick123 Fri, 19 Jun 2009 02:44:33 +0000 http://www.beenthinking.org/?p=5881#comment-8562 Mat 10:32 Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven. 33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven. Mat 12:30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad. Mar 9:38 And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name, and he followeth not us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us. 39 But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me. 40 For he that is not against us is on our part. 1Cr 16:22 If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha. Mat 10:32 Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven. 33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

Mat 12:30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.

Mar 9:38 And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name, and he followeth not us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us. 39 But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me. 40 For he that is not against us is on our part.

1Cr 16:22 If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha.

]]> By: laney http://www.beenthinking.org/2009/06/17/in-the-name-of-jesus/#comment-8561 laney Fri, 19 Jun 2009 00:57:41 +0000 http://www.beenthinking.org/?p=5881#comment-8561 Cherielyn, I have a question.Being the gentiles are now grafted in wouldn't that give us the right to use those names? I have a tape with a christian song called Yahweh.I don't know if you ever heard it. Cherielyn, I have a question.Being the gentiles are now grafted in wouldn’t that give us the right to use those names? I have a tape with a christian song called Yahweh.I don’t know if you ever heard it.

]]> By: cherielyn http://www.beenthinking.org/2009/06/17/in-the-name-of-jesus/#comment-8560 cherielyn Thu, 18 Jun 2009 23:47:00 +0000 http://www.beenthinking.org/?p=5881#comment-8560 In 2005 I made a New Years resolution to read through the Bible in a year. Since then I have repeated the process each year and find that I am constantly learning something new. One thing that was impressed upon my mind a couple years ago was that the name of Jehovah/Yahweh was God's special covenant name with His chosen people. Therefore, IMHO, I believe that unless a person is a Jew, he/she has no right to use those names. Maybe I'm off base on this. If I'm wrong, I would appreciate correction. Anyone have other thoughts or evidence to the contrary? In 2005 I made a New Years resolution to read through the Bible in a year. Since then I have repeated the process each year and find that I am constantly learning something new.

One thing that was impressed upon my mind a couple years ago was that the name of Jehovah/Yahweh was God’s special covenant name with His chosen people. Therefore, IMHO, I believe that unless a person is a Jew, he/she has no right to use those names.

Maybe I’m off base on this. If I’m wrong, I would appreciate correction. Anyone have other thoughts or evidence to the contrary?

]]> By: laney http://www.beenthinking.org/2009/06/17/in-the-name-of-jesus/#comment-8558 laney Thu, 18 Jun 2009 21:29:48 +0000 http://www.beenthinking.org/?p=5881#comment-8558 I remember reading a while back about a chaplain in the military who was forbidden to pray in Jesus name.The spirit of antichrist is gaining more ground in our country.I wonder how long it will be before this may be considered a hate crime. As far as going to an interfaith public prayer to pray I would not even consider going.What does light have to do with darkness.Gods word says he answers the prayers of the Righteous.Righteousness pertains to the fact that the faith of the individual is strictly in Christ and the Cross.If you are Righteous you are going to want to pray in the name of Jesus.He should get all the praise and glory I remember reading a while back about a chaplain in the military who was forbidden to pray in Jesus name.The spirit of antichrist is gaining more ground in our country.I wonder how long it will be before this may be considered a hate crime.
As far as going to an interfaith public prayer to pray I would not even consider going.What does light have to do with darkness.Gods word says he answers the prayers of the Righteous.Righteousness pertains to the fact that the faith of the individual is strictly in Christ and the Cross.If you are Righteous you are going to want to pray in the name of Jesus.He should get all the praise and glory

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