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		<title>By: refump</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 13:39:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Give me that old time religion, give me that old time religion, give me that old time religion, it&#039;s good enough for me&quot; Anyone remember that song? It seemed like a battle cry for how things were changing in our world &amp; in our churches &amp; moving away from &quot;the normal&quot;. We do church differently now in some ways that is disconcerting to many. Not because it goes against biblical principles but because it is not the way we use to do it. How upsetting to some when they have the sermon first &amp; singing last or change up the way we administer communion. Our church is in the midst of controversy over the type of music used in the worship. Every age group has their idea of what type of music should be used in worship. It has even caused several families to leave the church. Shouldn&#039;t we only want the music that will best reach the lost or those seeking to find God instead of what makes us feel most comfortable or the &quot;normal&quot; way we have always known music to be done? Often our &quot;normal&quot; way of thinking gets challenged even to shaking the very foundation of our belief. We usually don&#039;t like to me it head on but in an effort to feel more secure we immediately attack it &amp; defend what we think is &quot;normal&quot;. It is only when we are secure in our relationship with Christ that we can &quot;hear/listen&quot; to another possible way of doing something or be open to necessary changes God wants to grow us in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Give me that old time religion, give me that old time religion, give me that old time religion, it&#8217;s good enough for me&#8221; Anyone remember that song? It seemed like a battle cry for how things were changing in our world &amp; in our churches &amp; moving away from &#8220;the normal&#8221;. We do church differently now in some ways that is disconcerting to many. Not because it goes against biblical principles but because it is not the way we use to do it. How upsetting to some when they have the sermon first &amp; singing last or change up the way we administer communion. Our church is in the midst of controversy over the type of music used in the worship. Every age group has their idea of what type of music should be used in worship. It has even caused several families to leave the church. Shouldn&#8217;t we only want the music that will best reach the lost or those seeking to find God instead of what makes us feel most comfortable or the &#8220;normal&#8221; way we have always known music to be done? Often our &#8220;normal&#8221; way of thinking gets challenged even to shaking the very foundation of our belief. We usually don&#8217;t like to me it head on but in an effort to feel more secure we immediately attack it &amp; defend what we think is &#8220;normal&#8221;. It is only when we are secure in our relationship with Christ that we can &#8220;hear/listen&#8221; to another possible way of doing something or be open to necessary changes God wants to grow us in.</p>
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		<title>By: daisymarygoldr</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 07:53:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good topic and conversation! Here is the humble opinion of a legalist:)

True, it is not normal out there in the world but then who is to blame? Psychology blames the past and drugs our sin-sick souls to think we sin because we are sinners. However the Bible reveals the whole truth. Unlike what most of us tend to think, the “original sin” has not rendered humanity as completely depraved.
 
Human beings instinctively obey the natural laws that are written in their hearts, for their own conscience and thoughts either accuse them as wrong or tell them they are doing right. Which means we do have the ability or free will to choose between good and evil, right and wrong… and when people do wrong to deliberately choose to disobey and break those laws, anarchy reigns and so, who is to blame?

“Earth is polluted by its very own people, who have broken its laws, Disrupted its order, violated the sacred and eternal covenant. Therefore a curse, like a cancer, ravages the earth. Its people pay the price of their sacrilege.  They dwindle away, dying out one by one…The chaotic cities are unlivable. Anarchy reigns…” (Isa 24 The Msg)

What about us within the church? I agree with the comment above that said that if we really begin to live the righteous life that Christ lived, the lawless world would think we were abnormal. In the process of being transformed to become more like Jesus Christ, we do sin. And yes, the solution is to confess—the story however, does not end there because mere confession is not enough. I really do not believe in the Catholic way of confession or even confessing my individual sins to one another in an accountability group.

Therefore, in order to become normal the key is to repent for my individual sins…to grieve and then confess to seek God’s forgiveness. Repentance is possible only if I have a standard to measure up to and that is God’s law. “By the law is the knowledge of sin.” Sadly, many Christians reject God’s law and in so doing also reject God…  

“You assessed your defenses, inspected your arsenal of weapons… You found the weak places in the city walls that needed repair…You took an inventory of the houses…and tore down some to get bricks to fortify the city wall…You looked and looked and looked, but you never looked to Him who gave you this city, never once consulted the One who has long had plans for this city… 
God, called out …for a day of repentant tears, called you to dress in somber clothes of mourning. But what do you do? You throw a party! Eating and drinking and dancing in the streets! You barbecue bulls and sheep, and throw a huge feast— slabs of meat, kegs of beer. &quot;Seize the day! Eat and drink!  Tomorrow we die!&quot; (Isa 22, The Msg)…

In all of the verses quoted above, confession of generational sins is needed only if they continue in the same sins generation after generation. Anyway, it does not apply to us who are under the New Covenant in Christ. There is no need for me to confess the sins of my grandparents if my parents or I, are not committing those same sins. 

&quot;When that time comes you won&#039;t hear the old proverb anymore, 
         Parents ate the green apples, their children got the stomachache.
&quot;No, each person will pay for his own sin. You eat green apples, you&#039;re the one who gets sick. (Jer 31: 29-30)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good topic and conversation! Here is the humble opinion of a legalist:)</p>
<p>True, it is not normal out there in the world but then who is to blame? Psychology blames the past and drugs our sin-sick souls to think we sin because we are sinners. However the Bible reveals the whole truth. Unlike what most of us tend to think, the “original sin” has not rendered humanity as completely depraved.</p>
<p>Human beings instinctively obey the natural laws that are written in their hearts, for their own conscience and thoughts either accuse them as wrong or tell them they are doing right. Which means we do have the ability or free will to choose between good and evil, right and wrong… and when people do wrong to deliberately choose to disobey and break those laws, anarchy reigns and so, who is to blame?</p>
<p>“Earth is polluted by its very own people, who have broken its laws, Disrupted its order, violated the sacred and eternal covenant. Therefore a curse, like a cancer, ravages the earth. Its people pay the price of their sacrilege.  They dwindle away, dying out one by one…The chaotic cities are unlivable. Anarchy reigns…” (Isa 24 The Msg)</p>
<p>What about us within the church? I agree with the comment above that said that if we really begin to live the righteous life that Christ lived, the lawless world would think we were abnormal. In the process of being transformed to become more like Jesus Christ, we do sin. And yes, the solution is to confess—the story however, does not end there because mere confession is not enough. I really do not believe in the Catholic way of confession or even confessing my individual sins to one another in an accountability group.</p>
<p>Therefore, in order to become normal the key is to repent for my individual sins…to grieve and then confess to seek God’s forgiveness. Repentance is possible only if I have a standard to measure up to and that is God’s law. “By the law is the knowledge of sin.” Sadly, many Christians reject God’s law and in so doing also reject God…  </p>
<p>“You assessed your defenses, inspected your arsenal of weapons… You found the weak places in the city walls that needed repair…You took an inventory of the houses…and tore down some to get bricks to fortify the city wall…You looked and looked and looked, but you never looked to Him who gave you this city, never once consulted the One who has long had plans for this city…<br />
God, called out …for a day of repentant tears, called you to dress in somber clothes of mourning. But what do you do? You throw a party! Eating and drinking and dancing in the streets! You barbecue bulls and sheep, and throw a huge feast— slabs of meat, kegs of beer. &#8220;Seize the day! Eat and drink!  Tomorrow we die!&#8221; (Isa 22, The Msg)…</p>
<p>In all of the verses quoted above, confession of generational sins is needed only if they continue in the same sins generation after generation. Anyway, it does not apply to us who are under the New Covenant in Christ. There is no need for me to confess the sins of my grandparents if my parents or I, are not committing those same sins. </p>
<p>&#8220;When that time comes you won&#8217;t hear the old proverb anymore,<br />
         Parents ate the green apples, their children got the stomachache.<br />
&#8220;No, each person will pay for his own sin. You eat green apples, you&#8217;re the one who gets sick. (Jer 31: 29-30)</p>
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		<title>By: DarleneJoy</title>
		<link>http://www.beenthinking.org/2009/09/23/this-is-not-normal/#comment-9952</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 01:12:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow - Mart, I praise God for the gift He has given you to look at things with such a view. The insight and thoughts you share definitely flow out of a heart that continually draws near to God and seeks to know Him more and more - and that is a great encouragement to me.

Thank you for sharing - you spur me (and others) on to take a good, serious look at our hearts and to seek after truth.

May we never be content with &quot;the way things are&quot; and be always open to God&#039;s work in our lives - through any circumstances or means.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow &#8211; Mart, I praise God for the gift He has given you to look at things with such a view. The insight and thoughts you share definitely flow out of a heart that continually draws near to God and seeks to know Him more and more &#8211; and that is a great encouragement to me.</p>
<p>Thank you for sharing &#8211; you spur me (and others) on to take a good, serious look at our hearts and to seek after truth.</p>
<p>May we never be content with &#8220;the way things are&#8221; and be always open to God&#8217;s work in our lives &#8211; through any circumstances or means.</p>
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		<title>By: bubbles</title>
		<link>http://www.beenthinking.org/2009/09/23/this-is-not-normal/#comment-9951</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 01:07:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This lax teaching isn&#039;t present in all parents.  It&#039;s just the cluster that you find everywhere.  Yes, it is sad.  Many, many parents are doing the best they can. 

Sin is not right.  It must be &#039;normal&#039; to the lost, because it is all they know.  God is not their father. Does  rampant sin ever make your heart ache so much you just want to crawl under a rock and hide for awhile? 

This world will never, never be right until Jesus comes.
No one can make all things right, no matter how hard they try.

Jesus left us here to do His work, and to be salt and light. We can ask Him to use us--to be a glove on His hand. Without Him, our work is in vain.  We can do nothing. 

Isn&#039;t it wonderful to know that this life is not all there is?  There is a much better place for us.
But, then, think of all those who are lost. . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This lax teaching isn&#8217;t present in all parents.  It&#8217;s just the cluster that you find everywhere.  Yes, it is sad.  Many, many parents are doing the best they can. </p>
<p>Sin is not right.  It must be &#8216;normal&#8217; to the lost, because it is all they know.  God is not their father. Does  rampant sin ever make your heart ache so much you just want to crawl under a rock and hide for awhile? </p>
<p>This world will never, never be right until Jesus comes.<br />
No one can make all things right, no matter how hard they try.</p>
<p>Jesus left us here to do His work, and to be salt and light. We can ask Him to use us&#8211;to be a glove on His hand. Without Him, our work is in vain.  We can do nothing. </p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t it wonderful to know that this life is not all there is?  There is a much better place for us.<br />
But, then, think of all those who are lost. . .</p>
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		<title>By: phpatato</title>
		<link>http://www.beenthinking.org/2009/09/23/this-is-not-normal/#comment-9950</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 00:33:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bubbles
Is it not sad that parents have shunned their responsibilities and left the job of raising their children to the teachers?  Then to have the gall to crawl over them when their little Johnny behaves badly and is punished or does poorly and fails?  
And because Little Johnny received little or no guidance from his uncaring, unGodly parents, he takes into society what he did learn...distorted views on what&#039;s right and wrong.  And because his family life wasn&#039;t any different than the families in his community, what he knew and lived, to him was normal. Then Little Johnny becomes an adult and because he learned what he lived, it starts all over again only this time with his children. And so starts communities, cities and nations.  

The family unit is lost and in disrepair.  Parents are lax in their teachings........

seems to me anyway</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bubbles<br />
Is it not sad that parents have shunned their responsibilities and left the job of raising their children to the teachers?  Then to have the gall to crawl over them when their little Johnny behaves badly and is punished or does poorly and fails?<br />
And because Little Johnny received little or no guidance from his uncaring, unGodly parents, he takes into society what he did learn&#8230;distorted views on what&#8217;s right and wrong.  And because his family life wasn&#8217;t any different than the families in his community, what he knew and lived, to him was normal. Then Little Johnny becomes an adult and because he learned what he lived, it starts all over again only this time with his children. And so starts communities, cities and nations.  </p>
<p>The family unit is lost and in disrepair.  Parents are lax in their teachings&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
<p>seems to me anyway</p>
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		<title>By: poohpity</title>
		<link>http://www.beenthinking.org/2009/09/23/this-is-not-normal/#comment-9948</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 21:48:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>cherielyn, I read it. I am tickled pink.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cherielyn, I read it. I am tickled pink.</p>
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		<title>By: poohpity</title>
		<link>http://www.beenthinking.org/2009/09/23/this-is-not-normal/#comment-9947</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 21:47:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would be so refreshing to seek out those who need to feel the Love of Christ and give them someone to look up to.

I have always been a rebel and in my earlier days it was against authority. Now I am a rebel against evil and I love every minute of it and that is against what is the norm in our world. Hallelujah!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would be so refreshing to seek out those who need to feel the Love of Christ and give them someone to look up to.</p>
<p>I have always been a rebel and in my earlier days it was against authority. Now I am a rebel against evil and I love every minute of it and that is against what is the norm in our world. Hallelujah!!!</p>
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		<title>By: rokdude5</title>
		<link>http://www.beenthinking.org/2009/09/23/this-is-not-normal/#comment-9945</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 21:38:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For me, I think we need to call on our fellow prayer warriors....Lets pray about this school in New Jersey and hope that God will somehow touch those kids and protect them so that they can become fine leaders of their communities.  

What comes to my mind is Exodus 20:4-6 (New International Version)

 4 &quot;You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. 5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, 6 but showing love to a thousand {generations} of those who love me and keep my commandments.

Imagine...according to the above my great grandkids (if I will have any) would feel God&#039;s wrath if I worship someone (or thing) other than Him yet 20,000 years from now (isnt He coming back before that?), my offsprings are going to be blessed.  How cool!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For me, I think we need to call on our fellow prayer warriors&#8230;.Lets pray about this school in New Jersey and hope that God will somehow touch those kids and protect them so that they can become fine leaders of their communities.  </p>
<p>What comes to my mind is Exodus 20:4-6 (New International Version)</p>
<p> 4 &#8220;You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. 5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, 6 but showing love to a thousand {generations} of those who love me and keep my commandments.</p>
<p>Imagine&#8230;according to the above my great grandkids (if I will have any) would feel God&#8217;s wrath if I worship someone (or thing) other than Him yet 20,000 years from now (isnt He coming back before that?), my offsprings are going to be blessed.  How cool!!</p>
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		<title>By: bubbles</title>
		<link>http://www.beenthinking.org/2009/09/23/this-is-not-normal/#comment-9944</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 21:07:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve,
I 100% agree with your thoughts.  I&#039;m in the southern part of our state.  Consolidation is an issue here also.
I taught in a &#039;country&#039; school. According to American standards (sorry, daisymarygoldr) the poverty was rampant.  I had three children who didn&#039;t have plumbing, running water, or electrcity. Yes, we could be living in a 3rd world country sitting in the dirt under a tree.  But the differences in their home life effects them here.

When children come to school crawling with lice, dirty,  or upset because mom&#039;s boyfriend has been smacking them around, what are we to do?  We both know how pervasive the hydrocodone/oxycontin and meth is here--tucked back in the hills and hollers.

Deut. 6 outlines the father is to have control over their child&#039;s education. A sad  very few parents don&#039;t care how/if they are educated.  School is a place to keept their offspring for 8 hours.   I don&#039;t see teachers here who are anti-God.  With the exception of the Science/Social Studies book, the books are safe.  They are far from anti-God. Most teachers--even public ones--even those who are not Christians, would give anything or do anything to help one of their students.  Most all techers are there to help children get their lives together.  Their sole purpose isn&#039;t to indoctrinate their pupils with their own beliefs.  There is barely time to teach what needs to be taught.
Just a thought. Hope this didn&#039;t come across as offensive.  Was in no way trying to be unkind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve,<br />
I 100% agree with your thoughts.  I&#8217;m in the southern part of our state.  Consolidation is an issue here also.<br />
I taught in a &#8216;country&#8217; school. According to American standards (sorry, daisymarygoldr) the poverty was rampant.  I had three children who didn&#8217;t have plumbing, running water, or electrcity. Yes, we could be living in a 3rd world country sitting in the dirt under a tree.  But the differences in their home life effects them here.</p>
<p>When children come to school crawling with lice, dirty,  or upset because mom&#8217;s boyfriend has been smacking them around, what are we to do?  We both know how pervasive the hydrocodone/oxycontin and meth is here&#8211;tucked back in the hills and hollers.</p>
<p>Deut. 6 outlines the father is to have control over their child&#8217;s education. A sad  very few parents don&#8217;t care how/if they are educated.  School is a place to keept their offspring for 8 hours.   I don&#8217;t see teachers here who are anti-God.  With the exception of the Science/Social Studies book, the books are safe.  They are far from anti-God. Most teachers&#8211;even public ones&#8211;even those who are not Christians, would give anything or do anything to help one of their students.  Most all techers are there to help children get their lives together.  Their sole purpose isn&#8217;t to indoctrinate their pupils with their own beliefs.  There is barely time to teach what needs to be taught.<br />
Just a thought. Hope this didn&#8217;t come across as offensive.  Was in no way trying to be unkind.</p>
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		<title>By: wretch-like-me</title>
		<link>http://www.beenthinking.org/2009/09/23/this-is-not-normal/#comment-9943</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 18:34:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve (SFDBWV):
As much as I hate to admit it, rural America is rapidly changing as well as big cities. Technology, internet, cell phones, twitter, facebook... it is a matter of exposure. My insurance background reminds me of what agencies hire actuaries to assess...risk from exposure.

The greatest factor we play in any equation is impact. We impact the lives of others by building relationships. We claim salvation because someone shared the &#039;Good News&#039; with us, because someone shared with them, because someone shared with them, because someone share with them...

God created us; but, He did not stop there. He wanted a relationship with us. Adam walked with God in the garden before the fall. After the fall, God did not shut the door. He continued to reach out and provide for His creation with full knowledge that many (if not most) would reject His benevolence under the deception of self-indulgence.

He also knew that a few would respond and accept His plan for a relationship thru Jesus Christ. We share in the inheritance of Christ, the Son of God, due to our relationship with Our Savior. We reject &#039;abnormal&#039; life we inherited from Adam and replace it with the &#039;normal&#039; life God originally planned.

That is also the key to good parenting...good schools, good friends, good churches, good govt, good nations...

One person can and often does make a difference by investing themselves in relationships. Satan knows this and that is why he works so hard to limit and destroy them by his number one tool...deception.

Think about it, am I really too busy to get involved? 

Is working extra hours to provide for my family an excuse for not having daily impact on their lives?

Will the burden of a newer vehicle, a second or third car, a boat or RV, jetski, snomobile, a &#039;christian&#039; school, brand name clothing outweigh the impact you could have provided instead of working longer hours?

Even secular authorities recognize the early years of childhood as integral in developing personality, core values and coping skills for dealing with the world.

Ask yourself this question. Does anyone value our possessions as much as we do? (just remember the last time someone returned a borrowed item to you) 

How could anyone value our children more than we do? We have been deceived into believing that &#039;others&#039; can relieve us of that responsibility and do a better job. 

Govt uses that argument but, we have let govt become so large that it runs itself. This is true even in church govt. We must remain involved and constantly vigilent. Anything less is shirking our responsibility.

It is NOT NORMAL to let others make decisions for you.  God does not allow that; why should we? God intended us to grow and become happier, more responsible, more productive through relationships. That is HIS NORMAL.

Huggs
frank</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve (SFDBWV):<br />
As much as I hate to admit it, rural America is rapidly changing as well as big cities. Technology, internet, cell phones, twitter, facebook&#8230; it is a matter of exposure. My insurance background reminds me of what agencies hire actuaries to assess&#8230;risk from exposure.</p>
<p>The greatest factor we play in any equation is impact. We impact the lives of others by building relationships. We claim salvation because someone shared the &#8216;Good News&#8217; with us, because someone shared with them, because someone shared with them, because someone share with them&#8230;</p>
<p>God created us; but, He did not stop there. He wanted a relationship with us. Adam walked with God in the garden before the fall. After the fall, God did not shut the door. He continued to reach out and provide for His creation with full knowledge that many (if not most) would reject His benevolence under the deception of self-indulgence.</p>
<p>He also knew that a few would respond and accept His plan for a relationship thru Jesus Christ. We share in the inheritance of Christ, the Son of God, due to our relationship with Our Savior. We reject &#8216;abnormal&#8217; life we inherited from Adam and replace it with the &#8216;normal&#8217; life God originally planned.</p>
<p>That is also the key to good parenting&#8230;good schools, good friends, good churches, good govt, good nations&#8230;</p>
<p>One person can and often does make a difference by investing themselves in relationships. Satan knows this and that is why he works so hard to limit and destroy them by his number one tool&#8230;deception.</p>
<p>Think about it, am I really too busy to get involved? </p>
<p>Is working extra hours to provide for my family an excuse for not having daily impact on their lives?</p>
<p>Will the burden of a newer vehicle, a second or third car, a boat or RV, jetski, snomobile, a &#8216;christian&#8217; school, brand name clothing outweigh the impact you could have provided instead of working longer hours?</p>
<p>Even secular authorities recognize the early years of childhood as integral in developing personality, core values and coping skills for dealing with the world.</p>
<p>Ask yourself this question. Does anyone value our possessions as much as we do? (just remember the last time someone returned a borrowed item to you) </p>
<p>How could anyone value our children more than we do? We have been deceived into believing that &#8216;others&#8217; can relieve us of that responsibility and do a better job. </p>
<p>Govt uses that argument but, we have let govt become so large that it runs itself. This is true even in church govt. We must remain involved and constantly vigilent. Anything less is shirking our responsibility.</p>
<p>It is NOT NORMAL to let others make decisions for you.  God does not allow that; why should we? God intended us to grow and become happier, more responsible, more productive through relationships. That is HIS NORMAL.</p>
<p>Huggs<br />
frank</p>
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