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		<title>By: poohpity</title>
		<link>http://www.beenthinking.org/2009/10/25/in-hope-of-changing-seasons/#comment-10658</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 13:16:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>vcar1,
Amen!! and Amen!!!</description>
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Amen!! and Amen!!!</p>
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		<title>By: vcar1</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 00:52:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mart,
I love that prayer for it shows us as Christians how we are to take the situations in life, however trying they can be, and sow goodness and rightness as a by-product of our serving Him.  We are to be peacemakers [&quot;Blessed are the peacemakers for they shall be called sons of God&quot;]and live a selfless life seeking to be the hands and feet of Christ in our endeavors.  The more intimate we are with Him the more we will want to serve rather than be served.  In turn as we extend ourselves to others God meets us with blessings for we reap what we sow.  Oh, we will still face seemingly barren times and seasons in our lives but this is sometimes to draw us closer to Him and seek His face and to see our faithfulness to Him when the answers are not there and the trials seem intense.  Do we seek His heart or just His hand and what he can do for us?  Being unwavering in our faith and service to others is an earmark that can give incredible joy to our hearts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mart,<br />
I love that prayer for it shows us as Christians how we are to take the situations in life, however trying they can be, and sow goodness and rightness as a by-product of our serving Him.  We are to be peacemakers ["Blessed are the peacemakers for they shall be called sons of God"]and live a selfless life seeking to be the hands and feet of Christ in our endeavors.  The more intimate we are with Him the more we will want to serve rather than be served.  In turn as we extend ourselves to others God meets us with blessings for we reap what we sow.  Oh, we will still face seemingly barren times and seasons in our lives but this is sometimes to draw us closer to Him and seek His face and to see our faithfulness to Him when the answers are not there and the trials seem intense.  Do we seek His heart or just His hand and what he can do for us?  Being unwavering in our faith and service to others is an earmark that can give incredible joy to our hearts.</p>
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		<title>By: jeremiah</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 22:56:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fantastic quote. SAINT Francis was spiritually enlightened and a true blessing to all of us. Thank you God for St Francis!</description>
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		<title>By: mslamb</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 19:03:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, I thought you meant the REAL weather!! That is what everyone here in Florida talks about!! Thank GOD
for Air Conditioning! Any one who wants to be 80-90 degree weather in Oct and Nov is MORE than welcome to come down here!! Me, I dont like it!!

My seasons of life are NOT good either!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, I thought you meant the REAL weather!! That is what everyone here in Florida talks about!! Thank GOD<br />
for Air Conditioning! Any one who wants to be 80-90 degree weather in Oct and Nov is MORE than welcome to come down here!! Me, I dont like it!!</p>
<p>My seasons of life are NOT good either!</p>
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		<title>By: pegramsdell</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 16:08:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen, Steve. In the Princess Bride, love was such a strong force that it kept him alive. And she never doubted. Good example for us. 
And Frank, still praying for Jim and Dave. May God continue to bless them and hear our prayers.
Peg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen, Steve. In the Princess Bride, love was such a strong force that it kept him alive. And she never doubted. Good example for us.<br />
And Frank, still praying for Jim and Dave. May God continue to bless them and hear our prayers.<br />
Peg</p>
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		<title>By: SFDBWV</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 11:12:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frank, just wanted you to know that the Princess Bride is one of our favorite movies as well. Matt and I love the humor and simple love story, I also liked the music.

I am so pleased that Jim and Daves family are aided by the prayers of all who do so.

When Matt was early in the recovery from his accident, he used to tell me he could actually hear people praying for him. There is great power in prayer and greater power in Jesus, love is quite a force.

Steve</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frank, just wanted you to know that the Princess Bride is one of our favorite movies as well. Matt and I love the humor and simple love story, I also liked the music.</p>
<p>I am so pleased that Jim and Daves family are aided by the prayers of all who do so.</p>
<p>When Matt was early in the recovery from his accident, he used to tell me he could actually hear people praying for him. There is great power in prayer and greater power in Jesus, love is quite a force.</p>
<p>Steve</p>
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		<title>By: daisymarygoldr</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:56:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dependent, thanks for pointing out all those verses and I agree with you on all of them… my first comment on this page actually concluded with Gal 6: 7-10. v. 10 says to do good to all (i.e. anyone in need is my neighbor) especially to those who are of the faith i.e. brother in Christ.

Frank, appreciate your comment and thanks also for the update on Dave and Jim. They are in our daily prayers.

I agree that God’s timing is perfect and therefore His ’seasons’ are different for each of us. God is not limited by time and does not change like the seasons. From Gods’ view point what was and what will be, is now, today. Therefore we are called to sow God’s word in and out of seasons, bear fruit in all seasons and enter into what others have sown in order to harvest in all seasons.

Q: Could it be that seeing God’s timing (seasons) may be difficult for some because we have our own ‘calendar’?
A: It is only by faith we are able to see God&#039;s time-less calendar and not stay focused on our own calendar.

Q: On a greater scale, would you agree with the concept that our existence on earth is a spiritual period of time as well as physical?
A: The sole purpose of our existence on earth in a physical period is to serve a spiritual period for eternity. In plain words, we view everything in this physical life with an eternal perspective… which is from God’s perspective and that is seen only by faith through spiritual eyes focused only on Him. 

“sky &amp; earth” refers to God’s view vs. our human point of view which is the same as spiritual sense vs. physical sense. Frank, I agree “each of us has different seasons”, that is why I said this difference is okay.

Contentions arise when we are focused on self, or others and not on Jesus. Personally, I do not see any “contentions”. I am glad this topic on changing seasons led us to some very important discussions in James. I said it is not in our control because it is God’s Spirit that leads us even in these discussions on this blog. The Spirit of God is the wind and we have no idea where it comes from or where it&#039;s headed next Jn 3:8.

And oh yes! The ‘jewels in our eternal crown’? They will be cast at His feet. We will not strut around with the jewels on our crowns because we are not doing His work. Regardless of the changing seasons, it is our unchanging God who is faithfully doing His work in and through us for His ultimate glory alone! 

Pray and hope that this helps… Frank, “Come Back???”:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dependent, thanks for pointing out all those verses and I agree with you on all of them… my first comment on this page actually concluded with Gal 6: 7-10. v. 10 says to do good to all (i.e. anyone in need is my neighbor) especially to those who are of the faith i.e. brother in Christ.</p>
<p>Frank, appreciate your comment and thanks also for the update on Dave and Jim. They are in our daily prayers.</p>
<p>I agree that God’s timing is perfect and therefore His ’seasons’ are different for each of us. God is not limited by time and does not change like the seasons. From Gods’ view point what was and what will be, is now, today. Therefore we are called to sow God’s word in and out of seasons, bear fruit in all seasons and enter into what others have sown in order to harvest in all seasons.</p>
<p>Q: Could it be that seeing God’s timing (seasons) may be difficult for some because we have our own ‘calendar’?<br />
A: It is only by faith we are able to see God&#8217;s time-less calendar and not stay focused on our own calendar.</p>
<p>Q: On a greater scale, would you agree with the concept that our existence on earth is a spiritual period of time as well as physical?<br />
A: The sole purpose of our existence on earth in a physical period is to serve a spiritual period for eternity. In plain words, we view everything in this physical life with an eternal perspective… which is from God’s perspective and that is seen only by faith through spiritual eyes focused only on Him. </p>
<p>“sky &amp; earth” refers to God’s view vs. our human point of view which is the same as spiritual sense vs. physical sense. Frank, I agree “each of us has different seasons”, that is why I said this difference is okay.</p>
<p>Contentions arise when we are focused on self, or others and not on Jesus. Personally, I do not see any “contentions”. I am glad this topic on changing seasons led us to some very important discussions in James. I said it is not in our control because it is God’s Spirit that leads us even in these discussions on this blog. The Spirit of God is the wind and we have no idea where it comes from or where it&#8217;s headed next Jn 3:8.</p>
<p>And oh yes! The ‘jewels in our eternal crown’? They will be cast at His feet. We will not strut around with the jewels on our crowns because we are not doing His work. Regardless of the changing seasons, it is our unchanging God who is faithfully doing His work in and through us for His ultimate glory alone! </p>
<p>Pray and hope that this helps… Frank, “Come Back???”:)</p>
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		<title>By: foreverblessed</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:23:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>phpatato, your post was very fine.
Some of us go deeper, or much to deep. It is also a problem in our church housegroup. Some want only to discus a little, some want prayers for them, ends up in trying to find a way everybody can comfortly be together.
Maybe that&#039;s one reason there are so many different churches. Some want it deeper, some not so intens, some want digging, some want praising, and dancing. Some do not like dancing at all.
Haven&#039;t seen much dancing yet in churches, would like it though.

There is one option here: You do not have to read everything, nor respond to everything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>phpatato, your post was very fine.<br />
Some of us go deeper, or much to deep. It is also a problem in our church housegroup. Some want only to discus a little, some want prayers for them, ends up in trying to find a way everybody can comfortly be together.<br />
Maybe that&#8217;s one reason there are so many different churches. Some want it deeper, some not so intens, some want digging, some want praising, and dancing. Some do not like dancing at all.<br />
Haven&#8217;t seen much dancing yet in churches, would like it though.</p>
<p>There is one option here: You do not have to read everything, nor respond to everything.</p>
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		<title>By: Claudia</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:10:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aren&#039;t we all part of Gods&#039; nature? When I look at the tree that Mart posted, I don&#039;t see much difference between that tree and us. 

Sluffing off the old and dead, in hope of the renewed life and growth to come. It seems to be a cycle that is within us that goes on and on, as we walk with Christ. 

As the seasons change, so do we. As every season in this world brings something different, every season in our growth with God, brings something different.

In the sowing of the seed and the harvest, this poem that I have carried with me through the years comes to mind. I would like to share it with all of you.

           IN THE HEART OF A CHILD (1934)

In the breast of a bulb is the promise of spring;
In a little blue egg there&#039;s a bird that will sing;
In the soul of a seed is the hope of the sod;
In the heart of a child is the Kingdom of God.

  By: Reverend William Leroy Stidger (1885-1949)


Wretch-like-me, Frank. My prayers go out to Gods&#039; Jim, and to all of Jim&#039;s loved ones. Gods&#039; peace and love and comfort, is with you all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aren&#8217;t we all part of Gods&#8217; nature? When I look at the tree that Mart posted, I don&#8217;t see much difference between that tree and us. </p>
<p>Sluffing off the old and dead, in hope of the renewed life and growth to come. It seems to be a cycle that is within us that goes on and on, as we walk with Christ. </p>
<p>As the seasons change, so do we. As every season in this world brings something different, every season in our growth with God, brings something different.</p>
<p>In the sowing of the seed and the harvest, this poem that I have carried with me through the years comes to mind. I would like to share it with all of you.</p>
<p>           IN THE HEART OF A CHILD (1934)</p>
<p>In the breast of a bulb is the promise of spring;<br />
In a little blue egg there&#8217;s a bird that will sing;<br />
In the soul of a seed is the hope of the sod;<br />
In the heart of a child is the Kingdom of God.</p>
<p>  By: Reverend William Leroy Stidger (1885-1949)</p>
<p>Wretch-like-me, Frank. My prayers go out to Gods&#8217; Jim, and to all of Jim&#8217;s loved ones. Gods&#8217; peace and love and comfort, is with you all.</p>
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		<title>By: wretch-like-me</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:36:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Daisy:

Once again, I am confused and need your help understanding what your words were intended to mean to me.

&quot;...As always, I applied the physical to the spiritual… and said as spiritual beings we do not have seasons. We have to sow God’s word in and out seasons, bear fruit in all seasons and harvest in all seasons....&quot;

Would you agree that God&#039;s timing is perfect and therefore His &#039;seasons&#039; are different for each of us?

It would appear to me the references in scripture to different &#039;roles&#039; for each of us (pastors, teachers, prophets...); different spiritual gifts to serve the needs of the body(we cannot all be feet, hands, eyes, ears, nose,etc.) and the reference to &#039;some plow, some sow, some water, still others cultivate and harvest&#039; shows that God in His infinite wisdom deals with each of us individually. (relationship)

Could it be that seeing God&#039;s timing (seasons) may be difficult for some because we have our own &#039;calendar&#039;?

You said,&quot;…but my point was that spiritually we do not change no matter what the season because the inner self is being renewed day after day...&quot;

I agree that the inner self has the potential to be renewed each day; however, free will always has a direct impact on that progress. Each of us progresses according to a different timetable or &#039;season&#039;.

On a greater scale, would you agree with the concept that our existence on earth is a spiritual period of time as well as physical? 

I have been taught that we began a period (season) of spiritual progression when we accepted and received Christ as Savior (Justification)and this present season called &#039;Sanctification&#039; will end when we physically die and receive our reward (Glorification).

Again, it would appear that each of us has different seasons since each of us lives a time specified by God and has a limited number of days to respond not only to the Salvation message but also, to submit to the will of God for our lives while we are being Sanctified.

Let me be the first to admit that I struggle daily with &#039;picking up my cross&#039; or &#039;pummeling my body&#039; as Paul might put it. How well I discipline myself is directly connected to &#039;free will&#039; and choosing to slay the flesh with the Power of the Holy Spirit.

I might add that being &#039;contentious&#039;, &#039;pugilistic&#039;, and causing strife amongst the body earns consequences that rob us of &#039;jewels in our eternal crown&#039;.

Finally, You really lost me with your last paragraph.

&quot;...this difference (between sky &amp; earth) is okay because NOTHING is in our control.&quot; 

I fear the brevity of your words over-simplifies the facts and in doing so, may cause some to &#039;give up because afterall, NOTHING IS IN OUR CONTROL!&#039;

On a lighter note. I like to quote lines from my favorite movies; one of which is &#039;Princess Bride&#039;. 
At one point in the movie one of the main characters exclaims...
&quot;I do not think it means what you think it means.&quot;

As we used to say on the CB radio days...
&quot;Come Back???&quot;

Huggs
frank
PS There is some improvement in Jim&#039;s condition but still in ICU and serious. I thank God for all your prayers and the opportunity to pray via telephone with Jim&#039;s family and my brother-in-law, Dave. They were genuinely moved by the experience and use of technology to Praise God together.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Daisy:</p>
<p>Once again, I am confused and need your help understanding what your words were intended to mean to me.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;As always, I applied the physical to the spiritual… and said as spiritual beings we do not have seasons. We have to sow God’s word in and out seasons, bear fruit in all seasons and harvest in all seasons&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
<p>Would you agree that God&#8217;s timing is perfect and therefore His &#8217;seasons&#8217; are different for each of us?</p>
<p>It would appear to me the references in scripture to different &#8216;roles&#8217; for each of us (pastors, teachers, prophets&#8230;); different spiritual gifts to serve the needs of the body(we cannot all be feet, hands, eyes, ears, nose,etc.) and the reference to &#8217;some plow, some sow, some water, still others cultivate and harvest&#8217; shows that God in His infinite wisdom deals with each of us individually. (relationship)</p>
<p>Could it be that seeing God&#8217;s timing (seasons) may be difficult for some because we have our own &#8216;calendar&#8217;?</p>
<p>You said,&#8221;…but my point was that spiritually we do not change no matter what the season because the inner self is being renewed day after day&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>I agree that the inner self has the potential to be renewed each day; however, free will always has a direct impact on that progress. Each of us progresses according to a different timetable or &#8217;season&#8217;.</p>
<p>On a greater scale, would you agree with the concept that our existence on earth is a spiritual period of time as well as physical? </p>
<p>I have been taught that we began a period (season) of spiritual progression when we accepted and received Christ as Savior (Justification)and this present season called &#8216;Sanctification&#8217; will end when we physically die and receive our reward (Glorification).</p>
<p>Again, it would appear that each of us has different seasons since each of us lives a time specified by God and has a limited number of days to respond not only to the Salvation message but also, to submit to the will of God for our lives while we are being Sanctified.</p>
<p>Let me be the first to admit that I struggle daily with &#8216;picking up my cross&#8217; or &#8216;pummeling my body&#8217; as Paul might put it. How well I discipline myself is directly connected to &#8216;free will&#8217; and choosing to slay the flesh with the Power of the Holy Spirit.</p>
<p>I might add that being &#8216;contentious&#8217;, &#8216;pugilistic&#8217;, and causing strife amongst the body earns consequences that rob us of &#8216;jewels in our eternal crown&#8217;.</p>
<p>Finally, You really lost me with your last paragraph.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;this difference (between sky &amp; earth) is okay because NOTHING is in our control.&#8221; </p>
<p>I fear the brevity of your words over-simplifies the facts and in doing so, may cause some to &#8216;give up because afterall, NOTHING IS IN OUR CONTROL!&#8217;</p>
<p>On a lighter note. I like to quote lines from my favorite movies; one of which is &#8216;Princess Bride&#8217;.<br />
At one point in the movie one of the main characters exclaims&#8230;<br />
&#8220;I do not think it means what you think it means.&#8221;</p>
<p>As we used to say on the CB radio days&#8230;<br />
&#8220;Come Back???&#8221;</p>
<p>Huggs<br />
frank<br />
PS There is some improvement in Jim&#8217;s condition but still in ICU and serious. I thank God for all your prayers and the opportunity to pray via telephone with Jim&#8217;s family and my brother-in-law, Dave. They were genuinely moved by the experience and use of technology to Praise God together.</p>
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