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Famous Stone Throwers

Just before Jesus healed a blind man (to release him from spiritual dependence on men who thought they could see but couldn’t), there is an eye-opening conversation recorded in John chapter 8.

That episode picks up as a group of Moses’ followers drag a woman caught in adultery before Jesus. Hiding their real intent to throw a stone at Jesus, they pose a cynical question: “Teacher,” they said, “this woman was caught in the act of adultery. In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?”

Jesus bent down. What was he going to do? Pick up a stone to show them that he and Moses were on the same page?

Instead he began to write something on the ground. What was he doing? With his gaze turned away from the woman, he said, “Let the one among you who is without sin throw the first stone.” One at a time, from the oldest to the youngest, her accusers walked back into the shadows.

Don’t you wonder what the woman thought of Jesus as told her that he wasn’t there to condemn her either—while urging her change her ways?

What I find so compelling is that the conversation with Moses’ followers isn’t over. The chapter ends with religious leaders picking up stones to kill Jesus. When you get a chance, I wish you would join me in thinking about what happened next– to bring the stone throwers out into the open.


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  1. dja says:

    Good Morning, Mart and Friends,

    While reading this mornings writing, I couldn’t help but hear Ray Boltz’s song, “All She Saw was the Stone”.
    Reading through the rest of Chapter 8, I couldn’t help but think of Hebrews 4:12 “For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.”

    I have more thoughts, but I sometimes have a hard time getting them out. I will continue to think on this and look forward to others who will write today.

    A beautiful sunny day today after a little snow last night in NEPA.

    ~Della

  2. remarutho says:

    Good Morning Mart & Friends –

    We encounter God’s love enacted – displayed – proven in our own lives if we enter into the experience of the man born blind (John 9). Jesus’ dialogue with the scribes and Pharisees changed when the crowd of men ready to throw stones departs one by one from the scene of the woman caught in adultery. Jesus tells the temple leaders: “I am the light of the world; he who follows Me shall not walk in the darkness, but shall have the light of life.” (John 8:12)

    As the confrontation becomes more heated and vehement on the part of the religious experts, Jesus brings into question not only their vision, but also the hearing of these men: “He who is of God hears the words of God; for this reason you do not hear them, because you are not of God.” (John 8:47)

    Immediately Jesus enters the life of the man born blind. The healing of this man, along with his faith in Jesus as the Son of Man, brings the kingdom of heaven fully into the material world. Jesus says, “For judgment I came into the world, that those who do not see may see; and that those who see may become blind.” (John 9:39) Willful blindness, such as the blindness of the temple leaders, is different from literal blindness, such as that of the man born blind. (John 9:41) Actual blindness is healed; the blindness of the religious remains, unless the truth of Messiah opens their (our) eyes and hearts.

    Blessings,
    Maru

  3. SFDBWV says:

    Much to discuss along the subject of the adulteress and her accusers.

    Every time I read or hear the word *accuser* I am reminded that that is a name given to Satan in the Book of Job.

    First of all where was the *man* who was caught with her in the act of adultery? Adultery is not a solitary crime, unless these men made the call ahead of judgment to free him and not her.

    There have been many *conjecturer’s* who think Jesus may have written the Ten Commandments in the sand with His finger for these men to see, then again maybe all He needed to write was *their* own particular sins for them to see.

    The conversations that follow with the Pharisees show the stubborn blindness of the religious lawyers of Israel in that day.

    Jesus clearly states He is the Son of God and they still can’t comprehend what He is telling them.

    Glenna shared with me a quote she came upon the other day, I will share it with you now.

    “I can explain it to you, but I can’t understand it *for* you.”

    This is a recurring theme with Jesus and the people He spoke to, whether legalist or not. He spoke both plainly and in parables for them to understand, He could tell them, but not understand it for them until a very special event occurred. (Acts 2:1)

    I am not sure how deep Mart you want to take us in John 8 as it is 59 verses long and in John 8; 58 Jesus claims to be the voice of the burning bush and it is then that the Pharisees are stung to their heart to take up stones and slay Him.

    Steve

  4. poohpity says:

    I can empathize with the feelings of the woman and just how she looked at Jesus for saving her rather than condemning her.

    When those who were confronted about their sinfulness soon forgot the condition of their heart because being in a crowd that seemed to be more focused on the actions of others soon forgot their own state. Like looking in the mirror only to walk away and forget what they saw. It is easy to see outwardly but when it comes to admission of our own faults we are blinded hoping no one else can see but guess what even if we have fooled others God sees and knows.

  5. BruceC says:

    Mart,

    Is there something wrong with the website? I made a post or two on the previous topic and when I just checked; mine and many others were gone. It said this AM that there 22 responses and now it says only 8.

    BruceC
    Soli Deo Gloria!

  6. SFDBWV says:

    Ok Mart; John 8: 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18 here Jesus starts out with “I Am…the light of the world, I bear record of myself, I know where I came from and where I am going,” sticks the Pharisees with the sword of truth by saying, “but you can’t understand either.”

    He knows their blindness and even though He is standing right there in front of them, He is unrecognizable to them.

    *Because*!

    He goes on to say that they judge by the flesh, but that He judges no man. There is a book in just that statement alone.

    Jesus goes on to say that *if* He were to judge it would be the *truth* because he is not alone God the Father is with Him.

    Then sticking that sword in further He says to them that it is written in *your* law, the testimony of two men are true. *your* law! Another book.

    Then in John8:18 “I Am the one that bears witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of Me.”

    The Trinity wrapped up in one statement, as it is the Holy Spirit’s function to bear witness of Jesus.

    Here in these few verses Jesus makes it clear who He is and with what authority He has to forgive the sin of the accused adulterous woman.

    As is obvious there is a lot more said to these men to follow and I will take it up as time allows tomorrow.

    Steve

  7. oneg2dblu says:

    Here’s a plug for my new short story, When Jesus goes to Court…
    After the usual swearing in process, Humanity the Judge says, “Tell me Sir, Who are your two witnesses?

    Christ replies, “Here they are, they stand before you, but you do not see them, The Old Testament, and the New Testament!”
    Case Closed!

  8. bubbles says:

    Always have wondered what Jesus wrote in the dirt.
    If God thought we needed to know, He would have told us.
    But curiousity. . . .

  9. phpatato says:

    Steve here is another quote that my Dad always recited. I think I may have said it here before but it fits this topic…..

    None is so blind as he who *will not* see.

    A person who refuses to see is worse than a person who can not see. Both are blind but one is a self-inflicted blindness.

    Risk of freezing rain this evening with a few cm of snow. Mild for the next few days in the forecast with highs near -3c. I’ll take it without the freezing rain though.

    Hugs to all

    Pat

  10. BruceC says:

    When I think about this post and the previous one, the word self-righteousness jumps out at me. Are we not all guilty of that at one time or another? Is not some of the church to one degree or another? Do we not condemn others for their sins while at the same time seeking justification for our own? Sin should never be acceptable and I am not saying that; but we need to be careful what we condemn in others while accepting some things in our own life. I think herein is where the blindness lies.
    Pray for us today. We have to take our dog Ginger to the vet. She is losing bladder control and to a lesser extent her bowels also. She is just about thirteen. We also need to order a new refrigerator, as ours is going to go belly up soon.
    Yesterday my wife received her new dentures and they fit and look wonderful; so thanks to all for the prayers sent up months ago. She can finally smile with confidence and eat many things that for months she could not.
    Will continue to pray for you pooh and your recovery. Expect to see your face in the crowd of the NYC Marathon. (LOL)

    Having problems with the phone lines here I guess so my connection to the net is not good at all.

    BruceC
    Soli Deo Gloria!

    God bless All!

  11. SFDBWV says:

    In John 8:19 Jesus states that the Pharisees don’t know Him nor His Father. This is the recurring theme Jesus tells them for the remainder of this chapter.

    These men were supposed to be the keepers of the Torah, the Book from God. They kept it but never understood it. Its text and writings sacred to them, but they had not opened their eyes or heart to what was said to them from its pages.

    However there are always some that did understand and some who would become followers of Jesus because they recognized Him from the Book and in their hearts.

    In John 8:21 Jesus makes a very harsh statement telling them they will die in their sins, that where He is going they ”can not come”.

    “Can not come.”

    In John 8: 23, 24 Jesus tells them He is from above this world, not of this world and that unless they believe who He is they will die in their sins.

    Already He is offering them a thread of hope “If ye believe not” the opposite of which is *If you do believe*. If you don’t believe you die in your sins/if you do believe you do not die in your sins.

    “Die in your sins”- Unforgiven.

    You have to love their response to Jesus “Who are you?”

    His response “The same I said to you from the beginning (John 8:12).

    Even though Jesus here is talking to Jews 2,000 years ago I have always read these verses as though He was speaking to me/you directly. These are warning shots fired over our heads, for us to open our eyes and get with the program, because time is running out.

    Long chapter, more to read, more to *see*.

    Steve

  12. Mart De Haan says:

    Am learning from your comments and insights above… and trying to imagine what happens if we suddenly see ourselves in the woman, in her absent “lover”, in the families hurt, in the religious leaders, in Jesus…

  13. SFDBWV says:

    Mart I am humbled that you learn from my insights and very much can relate to your further thoughts.

    I have been caught red handed in wrong doing before and to be forgiven and let off is exhilarating much better than trying to lie out of it and get away with a lie. So even though not a woman I can certainly empathize with her in that respect.

    Also not recorded did she ever defend herself or try to throw off her accusers by implicating her lover, a cowardly man skulking off hoping the mob doesn’t turn on him relieved they haven’t and letting her take the brunt of the anger, but she forgiven and released by God Himself while he is still cowering under his guilt.

    I would hate to admit it, but I am sure somewhere in my life I too have escaped the judgment of men and felt guilty for not facing my crime and seeking full restitution for it.

    My sister in law has a sister who is an admitted lesbian and lives that life style. My sister in law told me once that her sister’s sin didn’t hurt anyone so why does it matter.

    My answer to her was that there is no solitary sin; the very first person you hurt is God, then yourself and then those around you.

    We all have seen the families that are uprooted, changed and affected by adultery. Also not recorded is the aftermath of the scene after the adulteress is *dragged* out in the town square to be humiliated and stoned to death and left then to face her husband and family.

    The whole scene makes me sick at heart as I remember Moses exacting Gods law time and time again; the emotions and the families affected the sadness and sorrow of even some of them that had to throw the stones reaches high into the heart of God. Everyone is affected even and especially God by our sins.

    There are a great many of us that are *certain* we are right concerning matters of faith, just as the religious leaders and many of us have had the frustration of knowing the truth yet those we speak to just *will* not accept it.

    I am sure Jesus felt frustrated and disgusted, even though He knew the full and total outcome of their hearts during the entire encounter.

    Thanks Mart for your topic and further remarks.

    Steve

  14. SFDBWV says:

    Please I don’t want you all to think that Mart was only speaking to me, I only responded as I had time, but I assure you he is speaking to all who have contributed.

    Steve

  15. billystan454 says:

    As an ex-alcoholic/criminal I understand the power of God’s forgiveness. Unfortunately The Jews in the crowd that day had no idea what forgiveness even means. As has been said Jesus point blank told the Jews exactly who He was, and like most people totally engrossed in sin, it went right over their heads.
    I don’t believe that what Jesus was writing is as important as that He was writing. Have ever been involved in a conversation, you did not really want to hear again? Up to this point in Jesus’ ministry He had told the “followers” (I use the word followers for lack of a better word) of Moses many, many times who He was, why He was here, and the exact nature of their sins. Jesus knew far ahead of time these people would not listen to Him, and….
    Do you think he may have known the conversation by heart because He had heard it so many times before?

  16. BruceC says:

    I think if we were to take a magnifying glass and take a close look at the scales on the eyes of the Pharisees, the unbelievers, and sometimes on ourselves we may see the words “Made by Pride for Ego.”

    BruceC
    Soli Deo Gloria!

  17. oneg2dblu says:

    Steve… you’ve given us all some real food for thought
    here. I know this will sound to some like another throwing of stones here, but, the bible is very clear, even particularly exacting when it helps us throrughly understand that sexual sins come against more than just the defiling of self, they also come upon the other party. Whether they are in agreement, concenting or not, does not matter if that act is outside the will of God, or outside the confines of marraige, than that act defiles both parties, making it particularly heinous in God’s eyes.
    1 Corithians 6:18, 19, 20, ” Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a man commits are outside the body, but he who sins sexually sins against his own body. Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your body.”
    Even if we try to distort it by calling it some form of love. There is no love in sending another into their separation from God because of our sinful need, while neglecting to see just what we are bringing on the other as well.
    Example, though poor at best, If we walk by a begger in the street and not help them, we have not caused them to sin as well.
    It is also why those who preach falsehoods, which may mislead and harm many, will be dealt with much more harshly, and those who harm children, would be better off if they were never born.
    So, the sins that we commit, those that we think are our own, never just rest on us alone, they always hurt someone else,and in the family of God, when one hurts we all hurt. Gary

  18. poohpity says:

    It is amazing what happens in a group when one starts something how many mindless folks follow. Those who do not think for themselves but play follow the leader even if the leader is in the wrong. The one thing about those around Jesus very few understood that He was displaying the characteristics of the Father. It seems they were so concerned with the law they did not know the One who gave them. They were basing their worth on their actions not on knowing or recognizing the incarnate God. So earthly focused nothing of heaven was understandable. Rock throwers will continue to stay rock throwers, those who are saved by grace hopefully will never forget that time when Jesus said nor do I condemn you. The time for judgement will come but for now it is the time for grace and leave the judgement to God, let the stones fall by the side so that we can truly look into the face of God through Jesus and knowing who He is and what He thinks of us would cause anyone to pick up the stones a little slower and maybe none at all.

  19. SFDBWV says:

    In John 8:26 Jesus states that he has many things to say and judge of you. In John 8:15 Jesus said He judges no man yet here He is saying He has much to judge *of* you.

    Is there a difference between judging a man and judging the *things* of men?

    “He that sent me is true; and I speak to the world *of those things* which I have heard of Him.”

    The *things* of the world and the *things* of God are in contrast to each other and here Jesus is saying that He judges the things of the world while exposing the better things of God.

    Just as Moses and Joshua offer a choice to the Israeli multitude one *thing* offers life, the other death, one blessings, the other cursings.

    In John 8:28, 29 Jesus tells them that when they have lifted up the Son of man, then they will know that He is who He is.

    Lifted up has multiple meaning here. Lifted up as the serpent staff in the wilderness, lifted up in praise and glory and yes lifted up on the cross and subsequent resurrection.

    It is recorded in John 8:30 that many believed on Him as a result of this speech.

    He instructed and encourage them by saying that if they continue in His Word they will be His disciples *indeed* (in-deed) and that the Truth will make them free.

    Have to stop here; been having a very difficult struggle for a few days and no relief today, please remember Matthew in prayer.

    Steve

  20. tracey5tgbtg says:

    In John 8:42 Jesus says to the Pharisees “If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I came from God…”
    In verse 44 Jesus says “You belong to your father, the devil…” Then in verse 47 Jesus says “the reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.”

    The thing I’ve always wondered is what if they had heard? What if they had believed and fell at his feet with tears of repentance? Then would Jesus not have been crucified? Sinners who loved Jesus because He had healed and forgiven them would never have allowed Jesus to be crucified.

    But if Jesus had never died on the cross, how would my sins be covered? I would have no hope if Jesus hadn’t paid the price I owe.

    The Pharisees pick up stones to stone Jesus when He says, “before Abraham was born, I am!” or clearly, “I am God.”

    Didn’t the law clearly state that one who claimed to be God was a blasphemer and must be put to death? The Pharisees dedicated their lives to upholding the law.

    Reading Leviticus 1:4 today, it says to offer a male without defect from the flock to make atonement for yourself. Without defect. There is nothing that does not have some flaw, except the Son of God.

    Obviously, if they realized what they were doing – killing the perfect Lamb of God, they never would have been able to do it. Then it never would have been accomplished.

    And how could any of us belong to God if we were not covered with the blood shed on the cross?

  21. narrowpathseeker says:

    Last night while telling the Lord how sorry I am that I continue to be far less than perfect and asking Him to forgive me and to help me rise above my flesh, I suddenly thought to remember Jesus’ blood shed for me, with a glass of wine. With every sip I imagined His blood cleansing every fiber of my being.

    This morning I truly did feel cleansed. After reading “ugly” news that usually causes me to start throwing stones(in thought)I remembered “take every thought captive” I then remembered something I forgot…..to replace every ugly thought with something beautiful(haven’t got the whole scripture, but I remember the gist of it). I started repeating things(in thought)…” In the Name of Christ Jesus, I am a beloved daughter of Almighty God… I am Loved and Blessed by Almighty God.” etc, …. over and over until I forgot who and what I was throwing stones at in thought.

    I don’t know if this will make much sense, but when the Lord first shows me “MY” sin at any given time of the day, I am at first very humbled and sorry and feel very bad…THEN, when I see someone else in the same or worse sin and not feeling bad about it, I think I want to THROW STONES to make them feel as bad as I do…then the Lord shows me “MY” sin of throwing stones which starts as a thought when no one else is around, but if it comes up in conversation with company…I am well armed in thought with stones to throw in words.

    Could I ask all of you here to help me with my bad memory and to PLEASE remind me about taking every thought captive…replacing it with LOVING thoughts. I write things down, but I tend to write down so much that there isn’t time to read it all. I think I have TOO many journals.

    I am thankful for all of you as you DO remind me daily of much I need to remember, but I think capturing the stone throwing thoughts before they set up camp is very important for me. Thank you

  22. BruceC says:

    Steve,

    You, Glenda, and Matthew are in my prayers. The Lord be with you all and strengthen you.

    Reading today’s Daily Strength has much to do with this topic and in how we look at others after we have been saved. Sometimes it seems we can have more in common with the Pharisees, does it not?
    Christ came and saved all who believe from the coming wrath of God and judgment. And so that we conform to the likeness of His Son. That sometimes is the painful part. Self-righteousness is for those who believe they can earn a way to God; but yet our flesh at times drags us into the same trap.

    Our dog Ginger is fine. God answered our prayers. The blood tests have come back OK and she just has a urinary infection that the meds we were given should clear up. His Name be praised!! God is good and He supplies our need.

    Happy you are back on a regular basis pooh!

    BruceC
    Soli Deo Gloria!

  23. BruceC says:

    narrowpath,

    I will pray for your “memory”! And believe me; we all have a memory problem! You are not alone sister. I find that I am more at peace when I watch less news/tv or read the paper. Then I tend to read more of Him; the Word become flesh. Pray for me also. Too often I catch a thought too late and need to seek forgiveness. But that is a great battlefield….the mind. God be with us all in power and truth.

    BruceC
    Soli Deo Gloria!

  24. poohpity says:

    It seems the one thing that Jesus wanted was for them to believe He was who He said He was. (John 8:24 NLT) The stone throwers seemed to come out because if He was who He said He was then they may have known the judgment that would await them because of what was in their hearts. So to confront that their guilt would be great. All the things that Jesus could have taught them if only they had believed he was who He said He was but with that would have also come condemnation when confronted with truth. To me it is very hard to be confronted with truth especially when we want others to think highly of us.

    I have always thought that Jesus was writing the sins of those standing around the one caught in the act. It is easy to admit to something when you are caught in the act but the condition of those things which only God knows is easy to hide from the eyes of others. Rather than embarrassing those standing around as they did with the woman Jesus left to them to look within.

    The development of the new rock throwers rather than acknowledging the true identity of Jesus that would have meant they would be so guilty of not only failing to follow the Law of Moses, God would have been honored and they seemed to be the ones that wanted that honor because of who they were descended from and claimed to be with God left out of the equation. They tried to find something that Jesus was guilty of doing and if they acknowledged they Jesus was in fact from God that was the only area they could find fault with then they would be left without anything but the true condition of their own hearts.

    Who when confronted does not act in a defensive posture trying to deter the attention off of the truth to focus else where as long it is not to admit the ugly we see in ourselves. One person started the process then as they grew louder in their ignorance they soon began to get others to follow. Those who set down their rocks because they were confronted with their own sin seems to have found another way to focus outwardly to pick them up again. How soon we forget who we were when we accepted the gift of grace especially if find ourselves around others who are so busy looking at others rather than the condition of our own hearts.

  25. narrowpathseeker says:

    Amen. Bruce thank you and I DO and will continue to pray for you and all here, as I believe we all here do for one another and I thank all for the many prayers

  26. poohpity says:

    Praying for Matt, Steve! Narrow, I think that is true for all of us but as long as we can understand the grace we will not tend to beat ourselves up with failure but rather extend grace to others. Bruce thank you.

  27. oneg2dblu says:

    I’m glad none of us are saying here that adultary in Christ eyes was now acceptable to Him, an not seen as as sin.
    What I trust we are saying is that stoning the offenders for that sin, although it was the law and clearly praticed back then, was no longer acceptable to Christ.
    Christ used conviction to bring the stone holders to their senses, and they were all convictied knowing they themselves were all guilty.
    He may have written, “Thou shall not kill,” knowing where He was headed and what great act of submition and obedeince to death on the croos still was awaiting Him.
    Christ did not remove adultary from the list of sins, as it is defined in God’s Word.
    He just took away their law abiding better than thou feelings, as He nullifies the application of law that would have allowed those accusers to stone people to death for it.
    The priciple of conviction is what played upon the hearts of those gathered there, not any form of forgiveness, for Christ alone has the authority to forgives sin.
    There clearly still exists civil and criminal laws, and using them means we must judge others.
    Christ Followers today who still practice adultary, although they may be forgiven by the Lord, are not exempt from the law.
    Adultary is still grounds for a divorce in a Court of Law, and for receiving an annulment in the Catholic Church.
    I know that all to well to be true in my life before Christ.
    Been there, done that!
    Whether you are with or without Christ, sin still has it’s consecquences. Gary

  28. oneg2dblu says:

    Or, consequences… :0

  29. BruceC says:

    What I see is Christ confronting them with their own worthless, self-righteousness they think they earned either as “Sons of Abraham” or because they “thought” they kept the Law, all the while forgetting about the mercy and forgiveness of God that they themselves has benefited from for past sins. Hypocrisy.

    BruceC
    Soli Deo Gloria!

  30. narrowpathseeker says:

    It’s kind of quiet here so I hope this is ok. I have an urgent prayer request(and fasting for those who do so). My 12 yo old granddaughter has suffered her entire life with a malfunctioning heart valve. She has had 3 open heart surgeries in addition to several lesser surgeries. She continues to amaze us with her beautiful attitude. She very seldom complains and her love and concern for OTHERS never ceases while she suffers with pain and SOB while she waits for a new valve when her heart has matured to size.

    She went for another evaluation yesterday and this was the report.

    “The sub-aortic membrane has not grown back, BUT two of her leaflets on her aortic valve have become calcified and rigid! They do not function! So, Brianna’s valve is currently functioning on one leaflet. This is causing her LV to become thickened and stiff! She is currently wearing a Holter Monitor for 48hours. She will follow up with Cardiology in Boston mid-March! Fingers crossed a decision is made before there is irrevisible damage to her heart!”

    PLEASE pray for a miracle for Brianna as well as for
    Steve’s Matthew, Cherielyn’s Mike and all others here in need of a miracle. I know their conditions are pretty much beyond the abilities of the medical profession but nothing is impossible for our Almighty God and He is not stingy with His miracles, so I am asking for as MANY as we need. Thank You and God Bless you ALL.

  31. poohpity says:

    I really do not believe that Jesus was only speaking to adultery because it says, ““Let the one among you who is without sin throw the first stone.” It did not say only those who have committed adultery throw the first stone so I tend not to read into it more than what it says that is where problems start to arise. Those who take an honest evaluation of themselves are more apt to understand grace (Ro 12:3) and then will walk away from throwing stones at others because when they do it is an admission of guilt on their own part. We tend to notice the sin in others that is prevalent in our own lives.

  32. poohpity says:

    narrow, will be praying for Brianna’s heart needs. Lord, please hold this little beloved ones heart in your hands and provide whatever it needs to function properly. We come to you because we know that only you know the inner workings of these precious bodies you have created and only you truly knows what is best. Thank you Father for your answer and we pray this in the name of your Son, Jesus Christ. Amen!

  33. oneg2dblu says:

    pooh… you are right about Christ speaking to sin in general, with the broader meaning that all gathered there that day were guilty and convicted of their sin.

    Just as we would all stand guilty and convictred today, if we were to say we are without sin, but, there was no provision for forgiveness for anyone who was an adulterer accept for this stoning to death, and even that was clearly not enough of a deterrent.

    But, the only thing that was really forgiven in that story, was the judgement against the woman who was held as convicted for adultry, all the others walked away still guilty and convicted for their sin.

    Christ was not only showing her His Grace, He was also showing how much He loved her when He said, “Go now and leave your life of sin.”

    He dispatched her with not only the grace she needed for her curremnt failure which should have brought her death, but He also gave her the guidence and the best command for another chance at right living, still giving her the opportunity to either obey the law and his word, or continue to reject the law and his word.

    No allowance for any future sins were ever given to her, for the very next day she could have repeated the same sin and been stoned to death for it by others who were following the law.

    He did not take away the law that day, he only took away the judgement upon her from those gathered against her for the current impending sentence as she was clearly guilty.

    Adultery still remained as a sin according to the law.
    Gary

  34. narrowpathseeker says:

    Pooh, thank you so much for your prayer for Brianna. I am also praying for you to regain full use of your knee and to be free from pain.

  35. dja says:

    Narrow, please know that I am praying for Brianna. May the Lord give wisdom to the doctors, and may he draw near to her Mom and Dad and you as you await what must be done.

    I am also praying for Steve’s Matthew and Cherielyn’s Mike as well as others.

    Pooh, praying that the pain will be less and less each day for you and that soon you will be walking around not even thinking about having had a knee replacement. It took some time for me, but I rarely think about it now and am glad I had it done.

    ~Della

  36. Mart De Haan says:

    Will try to get up a new post soon. Did anyone wonder whether the picture with this post was of potatoes rather than stones? Was thinking that sometimes we think we are merely throwing food around in the way we use the Bible against select groups. But anyone ever been hit with hard thrown potato?

  37. SFDBWV says:

    Got up yesterday morning to 6+ inches of snow and white out conditions at 9 degrees. After getting Matt squared away I began the normal winter tasks of clearing off the walkways and plowing. It was almost 8 before finishing up.

    Once in the house again I could smell that scary acrid smell of hot wiring or plastic burning; that sent me on a sniff out to find where the problem was. It turned out to be a refrigerator in my basement. I found the source of problem with it tried to see if it could be *jimmied* to continue working until another day, but that was not to be.

    Matt and I had just filled this refrigerator with a shopping trip early last week so I had to act fast to not lose all the things we had stocked up on.

    It was amazing that Glenna called over to a Lowe’s in Oakland MD and even though it was 9 o’clock on Sunday Morning they said they would deliver us a new unit.

    So all I had to do was await their call and when they got here shovel out a path to my basement door, unseal it and get the new unit in transfer the goods and the old one out.

    Once that was done, I had to reseal the doors close up the outside entrances to the basement and look about getting on with cooking Matt’s Sunday dinner.

    I’ve took you on my little day journey to explain why I wasn’t here yesterday to continue looking at John 8. It looks as though the subject starved to death as Mart this morning is ready to move on.

    Narrowpathseeker, I am so very sorry for the heartache and troubles for Brianna. Our prayer here in my home will include her, be assured of that.

    Steve

    PS it is much better weather this morning 01 degree and clear

  38. SFDBWV says:

    Mart I was going to mention that your picture of the potatoes was interesting, my neighbors kid had a potatoe gun when he was a little imp, seemed like a waste of potatoes….We have river rocks that are smooth but few that small or so many that looks like potatoes.

    Steve

  39. poohpity says:

    Gary, I have often wondered why Jesus said go and sin no more when He knew the propensity of human beings to sin while chained to these human bodies. I bet she did not return to the life she was living but how can we live a life of “sin no more”?

    Steve, I think that rather than the subject getting starved to death Mart may have been giving us more time to answer the question of what lead to the rock throwers after putting the rocks down picking them up again. Maybe he thought there could have been more insight into that question that we may have not seen so giving us more time to think about it.

  40. oneg2dblu says:

    Mart… I only saw potatoes from my very first glance, even when I stepped back and refocused, it was all spuds for me.
    In fact I dwelt on them so much that I finally broke down and had homefires with my breakfast yesterday morning.
    I don’t know what was more satisfied my body or my brain, but it was all good! :)

  41. oneg2dblu says:

    There seems to be more and more things in the news lately that could well be ushering in the Last Days. We may well be that generation. “Come Jesus!”

  42. narrowpathseeker says:

    ;-) I’ve never been hit by a hard thrown potato but I’ve been hit by a hard thrown stone and a hard thrown fist…the stone was less painful and did less damage.

    Steve, I am glad that everything turned out okay with your fridge problems and even more glad that your absence was not due to the difficulties you had mentioned the day before. It sounds as though you still had a pretty rough day…..it sounded like a very BIG job for anyone in our age range.

    Della and Steve… I thank you both SO MUCH for your prayers for Brianna. She is a very beautiful and intelligent little blonde saintly child that suffers QUIETLY. She once said, not to cry and feel so bad for her because she couldn’t play hard or participate in the activities with her siblings and friend….. because “God made me this way, so I’m okay with it.” Of course that makes us cry and feel even more bad about it, that she is so accepting of her much suffering. She is always trying to comfort others in their distress of her suffering.

  43. billystan454 says:

    Poohpity, I mentioned Brianna’s heart problem at church during prayer requst time, and as a congregation we are praying both for her healing and peace of mind for you. God bless the little children.
    billystan3

  44. poohpity says:

    billystan, Brianna is narrows granddaughter but I am sure that God knows and I bet narrow is very grateful for the prayers.

    Della, yes these take more healing it seems than the hips but each day it seems I have more movement through the pain. Literally no pain no gain. :-) I will sure not be the first to raise my hand when anyone asks for another knee replacement. Thank you for understanding what I am going through it sure is not pleasant at all.

  45. oneg2dblu says:

    pooh… perhaps Christ was only saying what God was telling Him to say and, “Go and sin no more.”That statement was what probably stuck in her mind after having just escaped this certain death, but finding that His Grace was now the more powerful saving agent in her life.
    So, I’m believing she did not ever commit adultery again.

    Behavior change only comes to me, as losing one sin at a time as it is revealed to me thus changing my opinion of what is right and what is wrong in my life experiencee.
    There is now a rather long list of things I will very likely never do again, places in my life I will not revisit as long as my spirituaslly adjusted free will can be exercised. Having once been convicted of them, then being forgiven them through His Grace, has certainly changed me.
    That is the stuff that In His ability to change things in us we can be rebuilt again.
    I’m thinking of how I quit smoking, always wanting to but always fsiling in the past. Over and over, sometimes I would go for six months without having one, and then boom have just one and I’m right back to full on smoking agsin.
    I still kept resisting though until one day the message my earthly father gave me finally sunk in, “The only cigarette you have to not have is the next one. Wow!
    If you just hold out from having just that one, you’ll be free of them all.”
    What worked for him was not having the conviction to never smoke again, or that he should quit them all together, but just hold off having that next one. Only that one!
    I remember him carrying a packet of cigs with them in his breast pocket for months untouched, and when he got the urge to reach for that next one he would tell himself, I’ll hold off and have it in ten minutes.
    The next thing he knew an hour had elapsed before he thought about them again.
    Soon it became easier to say no thanks to tell all.
    Been there done that, and now I can make for myself some better choices.
    The addiction was put off one impulse at a time, that is all it took.
    Because after he was having some real success in holding off that urge, that urge was at some point in his life completely gone.
    To me, that is perhaps the same process for curing our continued lifestyle of sinning through our wrong living.
    Not thinking of ever reaching perfection, because that we will never reach in these corrupted bodies, but soon finding some control over the flesh that says, just have one more.

    As if telling yourself Christ will just forgive me if I ask Him, or I’m already forgiven, will never cure you of the addiction of repetitive sin, which then becomes your lifestyle.

    Now, an occaisional sin is something all together different, we will all still suffer with those, after all we are human and we can be forgiven, but until we are given our new bodies that no longer will live outside the Will of God, we need to keep our list of unforgiven sins as short as we can.

    So, “Go and sin no more,” is really very good loving advice.

    Reaching for the higher ideal is always a better place to strive for.

    Forgive me Lord if others here think I’m again just throwing stones. Please Lord, Let them see just potatoes, or better ye, a free bag of chips that has not lost its saltiness, and comes with a portion of food for thought. Amen
    Gary

  46. narrowpathseeker says:

    Billystan, Poohpity is right, I am very grateful that you and your church are praying for my precious granddaughter Brianna. THANK YOU and God Bless you.

  47. remarutho says:

    Good Evening Mart & Friends —

    Prayers going up still for Pooh’s healing. Also, Matt, Mike and Brianna. Please pray for Sharon over here. Eight hour surgery today with no guarantees, on pancreatic cancer that has spread. She can have visitors in about 36 hours when post-surgical observations are over…this is a situation only the Lord can bring to a joyful conclusion.

    God is good.

    Blessings,
    Maru

  48. BruceC says:

    Prayers for all that are sick or in need; in the love of our Saviour, Jesus Christ, the Lord.
    If it were possible for me to their place I would. That’s all for now as I am having bad connection problems/phone lines/been there done that. Should get better.

    BruceC
    Soli Deo Gloria!

  49. BruceC says:

    meant to say “take their place”.

    Bruce3C
    Soli Deo Gloria!

  50. narrowpathseeker says:

    Maru….Bruce…. I am so very thankful for you and ALL here that are praying for Brianna, Matthew, Mike, Pooh, Sharon, and many others here. Knowing that many prayers are being offered, helps to fight away the fears and negativity that tend to attack in difficult times. I have very often just prayed for some here with out mentioning it because I didn’t truly realize the benefit of KNOWING!

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