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Christ Alone

Have you noticed that the right answer can be regarded as proof of being wrong?

For instance, when Larry King or another talk show host asks Christian guests whether they believe that receiving Christ is the only way to heaven, a “yes” answer can be taken as proof that the guest has been shown to be irrationally narrow and necessarily wrong.

Admittedly, the person asking the question may be honestly wondering about sincere people who want to know God, but who have never heard; or impaired persons who could not understand, even if they heard. And without an honest discussion of these issues the answerer also might sound simplistically naïve.

After hearing a too brief exchange, I’m often left embarrassed for the sake of Christ, and thankful that I haven’t been in the hot seat. Am often left wondering how much candor is appropriate in situations like that, or even this blog.

Will try to explain what I mean. I believe Christ alone is the way to the Father’s house. I’m convinced that no one else died for us, and that trust in anything other than the name and gospel of Christ is a false trust. Because of the mission Jesus gave to his church I also believe our responsibility is to announce the good news of his death and resurrection to everyone, regardless of whether we can answer the questions of our critics, or even some of our own. I believe we must offer the gift of eternal life in Jesus even though the Scriptures make it clear that anyone who rejects the good news of Christ will be even more accountable for what they are knowingly rejecting.

I also believe that men and women of faith in Old Testament times were saved by Christ alone, even though they had never heard of Jesus.

Beyond that there is so much I don’t know. I can hardly begin to ask the questions I have about people in situations of “unusual trust,”… where I wonder if God sees the kind of faith he will use to save them… through Christ alone. A friend, for instance, recently told me that he thinks some people reject a “caricature of Christ” rather than the real Christ– because of the way nominal followers of Jesus have misrepresented him.

The point of my raising these questions is not to raise unnerving doubts about what we know… but to encourage us to be willing to admit what we don’t know… so that in “Larry King” like situations we will show humility and grace, as well as conviction and faithfulness to our Savior.

PS After listening to the good variety of comments that follow below, I hope that, when you have time ,you will follow the thread for counterpoints and clarifications.

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81 Responses to “Christ Alone”

  1. Laurielee says:

    Is answering anything less than the truth, the Truth? Do we water down the truth in order to be accepted? If so, accepted by whom? I”ve talked on another blog with a woman who is a church goer, believes in Jesus…but also believes that there are other ways to get to heaven, and that abortion is not a bad thing, but a “choice”. Anyone that tries to condradict these views is called narrow-minded and hateful and judgmental. The phrase so much bandied about…”Judge not that ye not be judged” is taken out of context, and I believe a devotion was done on this subject in ODB. What are other’s thoughts on this? I’ll check back after work and school. Have a great day!

  2. BruceC says:

    Well I don’t mind being called narrow- minded or judgemental. I tell people that God owns EVERYTHING, and can do as He pleases without wavering from His will or plan(prophecy). Just the fact that he offers His salvation to all is proof that He is more open-minded than any human could comprehend. Let’s face it. Would we offer hope and salvation to our enemies?(Speaking in fleshly terms here)
    I have seen several people who have claimed to be Christians and pastors state that there are other “ways” to God and did not defend the doctrine of Jesus only; and this on national TV. Talk about leading people astary! I have seen Franklin Graham and others stand on God’s Word and defend their position and do it in a loving and knowledgeable manner. We get into trouble when we get angry in our defense that we semm narrow-minded and unkind.
    As far as what I don’t know I just trust God for it. I have told others that if I beleive God is who He says He is then there is no real need to know everything and that God is not responsible to us to tell us everything; for “without faith it is impossible to please God.” Only God will know everything all the time. As humans we can go on and on always needing to know and never knowing all. It is an inexaustable search; almost a chasing after the wind. May He give the heart and knowledge I need to present the Gospel in a kind manner and yet not back down from truth. The world is stuck on relativism and does not accept anything different. The same trick satan used in the Garden is still being used today.

    Good post Laurilee!

  3. SFDBWV says:

    I love this topic…..In order to “prove” my stance that Christ is the only way to God, I must refer to Christ and the scripture.

    In the Garden of Gethsemane Mark 14:36, “Abba, Father,all things are possible unto thee; take away this cup from me: not what I will , but what thou wilt.”

    Had there been any other way, God would have done so. But there was no other way than the death and resurection of Jesus.

    I too believe that OT people were saved by trusting in the Messiah who had not yet come. In the same way we trust in our Savior who has come.

    Larry King is very close to accepting Christ. I notice it often when he has on some of the Christian Evangelists that he has respect for. He is teetering on the fence. I hope for his sake it doesn’t take the rapture to make him decide.

    Christ is the only way. Not because I think that way but because He said so.

  4. sawaybon says:

    Jesus said, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one can come to the Father except through me.” The exclusivity of Christianity is offensive to many people, but it is the basic foundation of what we believe. Are you suggesting, Mart, that it is appropriate to believe what Jesus said, but that we should be reluctant to say it in certain circumstances and in an all-too-abbreviated form?

    I am increasingly becoming convinced of the “Jesus only” message, and the need for a Christological focus in my theology. For what other reason is our faith called “Christianity”? But I wish to be careful not to present that message in a way that is unnecessarily offensive. Or is it impossible to do so without being called narrow-minded and judgmental? Unlike Bruce, I do mind being called narrow-minded and judgmental. I don’t think God has called us to be that.

  5. macsisson22 says:

    Why do you suppose that people are so angry and intolerant of those of us that are labled angry and intolerant??

  6. SFDBWV says:

    Because I believe that Jesus is the only way. Because Jesus is the foundation of my faith. I become a representative of both Christ in me and of my faith. This is an awsome responsibility.

    Never will I retreat in my faith that only through Jesus of Nazareth can anyone be born again,and reconciled to God. Covered by his Blood I am forgiven.By His stripes I am healed.

    So to be a witness to the unsaved person. I must present Christ not me.

    I must now live knowing that all eyes are upon me and awaiting for me to slip up and fall. As now my actions are taken by the unsaved to not be my failures but hypocracy and an embarrassment to the one I claim to be the only way.

    Jesus taught by using examples of people. So I tell my little stories to show Christ and the absence of him in evry day life. It is my witness of Him, and so I try to show how He is our only hope. When hope seems lost.

    I am a courageous man and it dissapoints me to see people given the opportunity to publicly stand up for Jesus,only to “wimp out” and try to be agreeable for the sake of not argueing.

    Don’t really have to argue anyway. Just make your possition known and not backup.

  7. sawaybon says:

    Cindy Hess Kasper’s devotional this morning dovetails nicely into this topic. She cautions against intense, confrontational, in-your-face sharing of the gospel that tends to repel people and create resistance. We need to be careful and sensitive. I don’t think that is “wimping out”.

  8. infiniti07 says:

    I can appreciate how many of us feel when asked to give the reason for our belief and faith in Christ. I can remember all to clearly how I was as that twenty something unbeliever who thought that there was possibly a God but had no idea what a personal Saviour meant until I was introduced to Christians who showed me by their walk that I was missing something huge in my life.
    Our concern for people without the faith that is so precious to us, must first show that we are respectful about their inability to accept our faith for whatever reason.
    A person without faith in the One true God cannot accept the truth we have because they are blinded by “the fashionable god of darkness” (2 Cor 3-4 – Msg). As children of God we accept our dependence on His Spirit to discern truth, strength and provision to withstand difficulties. We each come into faith in a special and unique way by the grace of God and when we share our personal testimony genuinely and sincerely to the person who is inquiring, we give the Lord an opportunity to use our circumstances to open up their hearts.
    When I was new and immature to my faith I was eager to share what I discovered from others of faith and from the Word. I believe I was genuine and sincere however, I was perhaps not seeing this from the perspective of the other person who has not yet been touched in the heart by the Lord. I believe my part is to consistently exhibit in word and practice what sets me apart from the world. I continue to stumble and at times discredit my faith but as long as I set my heart right with the Lord, He will use me just as I am whenever the time is right for Him to do so. Thanks all for your encouragement and insight,

  9. kristiejackson says:

    Thanks for these thoughts. I know so well what you mean about the embarrassment, not because I’ve had occasion to be in the hot seat, but because even in everyday life there are circumstances where our silence is convicting and yet any attempt to share the truth is cut short or discarded as naive and nonsensical. It can be very upsetting. We just had dinner on Saturday with a couple who are both seekers, but the husband said, “I’ve heard the spiel my whole life.” To think of God’s truth regarded as a spiel is utterly heartbreaking. Striking the balance of truth and grace is a daily challenge!

    By the way, I was the proud winner of a copy of “The Life Behind the Voice” last summer at Maranatha for knowing some RBC trivia. It was fitting that I should win it, since my grandfather (Wayne Cummins) was a huge fan of your grandfather. He heard him preach many times in Detroit before he was on the radio! I just finished the book this morning, and I thought it was such an honest telling of a great man. He was not depicted as supernatural, in fact since I have a quick tempered little guy who is seven, I was particularly encouraged by the fact that someone that spiritually mature still struggled at times. Also, I now see that Doc DeHaan’s hope of “Perhaps Today” greatly inspired my grandfather who similarly hoped to avoid the undertaker. He died in 2004 at 89 and I’m sure he greatly enjoyed meeting Doc.

  10. carlj says:

    From Mart’s example, I take it that we should deal with every witness opportunity on an individual basis. I wonder if at times we become robotic in our responses to someone’s inquiry without taking time to see where the person is coming from, i.e. asking the person questions to get a better understanding of how best to fit the gospel in.

  11. kaliko88 says:

    There have been times when I’ve not been able to give the answer I hoped I could, or give it clearly. It’s been 6 years since I started paying attention to my faith again, and I still feel like a toddler Christian. But that’s why I study, so maybe someday I can give a better answer.

    Actually, I don’t mind the straight-to-the point questions. They may be used confrontationally sometimes to put people on the spot, but they are also used to try and bring the truth out quicker, and keep it from hiding behind half-truths or misleading illustrations. What I mind is that often the straight answer isn’t followed by the ‘why’ answer. People have asked me if that’s what I believe but also why I believe. To not answer both is an incomplete answer. Granted, a lot of those who ask it only to be in your face don’t want to hear the ‘why’ or give you a chance to mention it, but still, how we came to believe it can be just as effective an answer. For myself, my thanks go to C.S. Lewis and Lee Strobel, extreme doubters who found reasonable, truthful answers to the ‘why’.

  12. sitsathisfeet says:

    Paul said to the Romans Chap 1: 16 – 17 I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes….for in the gospel a righteousness from God is revealed, a righteousness that is by faith from first to last… And then in I Cor 2 :4 – 5 My message and preaching were not wise and persuasive with words, but with the demonstration of the Spirit’s power, so that your faith might not rest on men’s wisdom, but on God’s power. Our Pastor frequently says sometimes there is no need to say or do anything, just show up, and your very presence in the pew, walking alongside a friend, saying hello, how are you etc will demonstrate Christ’s love to someone. Whew, takes some of the pressure off! Granted there are times to speak boldly, but other times to be silent, and wait on the Lord and his Holy Spirit.

  13. soloyo says:

    I think this is it, like I told you yesterday, with a strong testimony you can make somebody who’s been going away fron God’s way to approach and finally come back, THE SAME, you can be like a magnet through His grace spread to you because you love Him, you know, you love Him because He loved you first, and that is not an intelectual knowledge, is a “livig His Word” knowledge.

    I jus want this for me, I want His grace, through reading, doing, obeying, enjoying and sharing all I got from Him. I don’t want to be the same day by day, I just want to be more like Him day by day…
    No matter satan’s foot, I have a great God.

  14. Rev. Jeff says:

    I’ve been reading through the various posts and wanting to write book after book of responses, but when it’s all said and done, what I think or what I think I know, is best left in my head. The Holy Spirit, when preparing me for the work that was created for me, taught me to speak God’s word, not mine. So in reply to these type’s of questions, my response is “in the Holy Bible, God’s Word, it is written… and that’s what I believe” Thanks Mart for this thread!

    One thing I will advise, when sharing the gospel with others, BE REAL, AND BE YOURSELF!

    The Spirit of God was poured out upon all and through His creation, there is none that can deny His existance. But they have an idea of what religion is and what a Christian should be. So when you try to be something more than you are, you are going to stumble, but for them it will be a great fall. Stick to God’s Word, trust His Holy Spirit to speak what needs to be said.

  15. daisymarygoldr says:

    “If you lived on the world’s terms, the world would love you as one of its own. But since I picked you to live on God’s terms and no longer on the world’s terms, the world is going to hate you.” (John 15:19)

    The last words of Jesus in the above verse are easily applicable to followers of Christ living in pagan countries…who stand up for Christ to face persecution. How can the same verse be applied to someone living here in the west?

    Jesus said that a servant is not greater than his master. If they persecuted Him they will also persecute His followers. So don’t assume that people living in this country are an exception. Regardless of where you live, it is inevitable that all who follow Christ, will be persecuted, will be hated for identifying with His name, will be scorned and will be rejected by those who do not follow Him.

    My questions to each one of you here is: How are you hated for being a Christian in this nation that is supposedly a Christian nation?

  16. daisymarygoldr says:

    As long as we are conformed to this culture, its politics, its pleasures, its principles, its fashions, it ideals of “love” we will never be ostracized or persecuted….you know why? …Because we are “caricature of Christ” a.k.a hypocrites. So, how do we distinguish ourselves as true and faithful witnesses of Christ? By walking the talk! So, if they divorce, we don’t. (Aside: sitsathisfeet, please do not take this personally…I’m aware that you are not the one to have initiated divorce) If they commit adultery, we’ll repent of our adulterous thoughts and prevent them from leading into actions. If they cheat, lie, kill, commit sexual immorality, we will not do the same.

    Yes, we do not preach about sins or convict people of sins, but by our sanctified lives, we show them what it means to follow Christ. By our practical lives we preach what it means to deny the lusts of life. Who said following Christ is all fun? It demands a life of a living sacrifice, it is a commitment to persevere and remain faithful against all odds, it requires us to die to the lusts of flesh and lose our desires for the pleasures of sin. We certainly do gain eternal life by grace but that gain is at the cost of the pain… of crucifying our sins on the cross.

    “Anyone who wants to live all out for Christ is in for a lot of trouble; there’s no getting around it.” (2 Tim. 3:12).

  17. BruceC says:


    I hope you didn’t misunderstand me. I don’t believe Christ called us to trouble makers. Or to intentionaly be narrow-minded or judgemental. But it is the nature of the world system to view Christainity that way because it is contrary to their “all inclusive, I’m okay, you’re okay” relativistic way of looking at things. Just the nature of the Gospel; of Christ being the only way, goes agaist world thought. I try to present it as nicely as possible but even then people can and will become upset and sometimes angry. It explains much of the Christian persecution going on. And we all know “who” is behind that. There is an old cliche that says “It’s God’s way, or the highway.” While that may sound cold hearted and blunt; it still nevertheless is true. We sinned against God and need forgiveness and He has provided the Way. There is no other. The majority of people will follow the wide, easy path to destruction according to the Word. So I am not at all surprised and upset when they reject it. I just pray that the Lord will speak to their hearts.

  18. daisymarygoldr says:

    The gospel is not merely “God loves you”…everyone can claim this about their gods, the Muslims, the Buddhists, the Hindus who have gods and goddesses of love….all you need is to take one peek into the dark recesses of their abominable temples to see the despicable immoral acts done in the name of love.

    If it is only about humility and grace and showing love, why should they hate us? Love will certainly not provoke hatred… will it? Let us not speak half truths…God so “loved” the world…the story doesn’t end there. It continues…He gave His only son “Jesus”- who is the only way…so that whoever “believes” on Him- that is the condition… will not perish in their “sins”- which is the undeniable truth….but will have “eternal life”- and that is the whole truth!

    Mart, if you ever get to be in the hot seat… you should esteem the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures of “Larry King” like situations because you have been given much and much will be required of you!

  19. wretch-like-me says:

    brothers and sisters:

    after reading our posts and reflecting, I agree with what I have read; however, what I observe to be lacking is a basic understanding of what being a Christian means.

    Sharing something deeply held requires humility and vulnerability. We need to start there. Christ exemplifies this in the way He lived and taught when He walked on this earth.

    I think each of us can say that we have studied the life of Christ in our efforts to be more like Him. Where do we turn to study? The scriptures are a collection of first person accounts by ‘witnesses’.
    Wherever we turn in scripture we find someone transcribing events that someone witnessed either in person or by divine revelation.

    We are called to be ‘witnesses’. So, what have I witnessed that brings me back to Christ each time I am challenged by fear, freedom or failure. How has my life been changed for the better by turning it over to Him?

    People are prone to argue about what you have read or been taught or told somewhere; however, they are less inclined to do so when you stand on the truth of how Christ has changed your behavior, given you hope, healed, and helped you overcome great odds.

    I am a witness to a life that was broken, shameful, chained in darkness and burdened by an emptiness that resisted all attempts to be filled. I know a man who was a liar, thief, drunkard, brawler, womanizer, fornicator, and an unfaithful husband/father.

    Christ has changed and continues to change that person into a ‘new creature’. He is restoring him to a place of honor and respect in the eyes of his wife, children, grandchildren and those who know him. Jesus has filled the void in his life with lasting happiness and hope.

    I am that man.

    I was confronted in a gentle way by the Spirit of Christ in those around me who encouraged me to read the Word of God, The Holy Bible, and humble myself before God and the person of Jesus Christ. I placed my trust in Jesus to show me the Way of Salvation (not the way to earn it… the way to live because I have received it!)

    This my brothers and sisters is my witness. I am saved in Jesus Christ. I have placed my faith in many things but, always have been disappointed. Jesus has never failed me. He gives me strength when mine is spent. He carries me when I cannot walk. He encourages me when I am discouraged. He lights my way when I am in darkness. His Father has become my father and provides for my every need. I owe everything to the Love of Jesus Christ.

    My foremost wish is that all humankind would find the joy, peace and contentment I have found.

  20. daisymarygoldr says:

    wretch-like-me, thank you for sharing your story! Please, know this that its is not just your story…what you have described about yourself applies universally to all human beings. By birth our sinful nature is in enmity with God. Had it not been for His grace we would have continued in that condition for eternity…that is what living in Hell means. Once we have been saved and transformed and have decided to follow our Lord…what is our call? You are right, your life is what you owe to the love of Christ…Showing love and grace is not as simple as it sounds. Unless a grain of wheat falls and dies…Christ loved you and died for you. How are you showing your love for others? Are you identifying with the death of Christ by willing to die for others?

  21. bdbuie says:

    If this would be appropriate, I would like to comment on the salvation of Saints under the Old Covenant administration.

    In the New Testament we are warned by Paul of those who follow “another Jesus,” or who would transform the doctrines of God into the doctrines of men. The same is true in the Old Testament; we read of being circumcised of the heart in Jeremiah, salvation through by grace through faith, and the coming Messiah.

    The Church under the Old Covenant administration ran much like the Church today; with a Bishop at the head (or Pastor?), Elders, and Deacons and, much like we would look back at the Christ who came, the Old Testament Saints looked forward to the Christ who would come.

    The same warnings applied to them as to us; much like we must look back to the true Jesus (and not “another Jesus”) following the doctrines of God rather than the doctrines of men, they must have been careful to do the same.

    As an American Christian there is a strong temptation to divide the Old and New Covenants more than what is actually required of us. There is a strong sense of continuity in the Gospel; our God is unchanging and his plans are perfect, and his message is the same.

    Anyhow, take my comments for what they’re worth.

  22. SFDBWV says:

    Daisy, Is a Christian hated in his own church because he is a Christian?
    Yes this has been a Christian Nation. Because Christians who were persecuted long ago came here to build a Christian Nation. Not to make their decendants “lazy Christians” but to make a country were we can all worship together. Without persecution.
    If you think we are not hated. Go to Newsvine or other secular Blogs and read how the unsaved of this nation feel about Christians.

    One of the things the Christians of this Nation do, is contribute to world wide missions and send out relief aid and money and people into all the world to spread the Gospel every where. And we are hated for it every where.

    If you have never noticed we Christians are watched by everyone around us. Judged by nonbelievers and there is no shortage of people waiting to see us fall or fail. many hoping that we do.

    We are under attack by the News Media, by the political left who are spending money and energy to take Christ out of Christmas. And to ensure that God and more importantly Christ is not allowed to be spoken anywhere publicly.

    We are at war with the anti-christ here in America every day. Some of us take a stand. Get ourselves elected to political position or try to elect thoes who will represent our positions in public office. As a public demonstration of our faith.

    Some go and silently stand outside abortion clinics. While being judged by doctors and nurses inside as “trouble makers”.

    If you want to be hated, publicly proclaim Jesus Christ is the only way on national TV, and watch the response.

    If a person spends their life doing what Christ has called them to do. Has he not died for Christ?

  23. sawaybon says:

    Bruce, thanks for the clarification. It did sound to me like you were happy to be considered narrow-minded and judgmental. I recognize that it is unintentional, but often unavoidable to be perceived that way.

    DMG, your comments illustrate a more intentional desire to be perceived that way. When you say strong words like “dark recesses … abominable temples … despicable immoral acts”, they invite confrontation and rejection of anything further you might have to say. I’m assuming that you have actually taken a “peek inside” a mosque or temple to qualify what you are denouncing?

  24. daisymarygoldr says:

    Steve (SFDBWV), Yes, on a national level I am very much aware of the forces of liberal principles persecuting the true Christians in America….and be comforted in knowing this that God has a big reward in store for you. Just in case you misunderstood my comments…I am in total agreement with what you, BruceC and others have responded about standing up for Christ and not “wimp out”. That is what it means to be willing to die for Christ.

  25. daisymarygoldr says:

    Q: Is a Christian hated in his own church because he is a Christian?
    A: Yes, a Christian is hated in his own church because he is a Christian by his unbelieving and lukewarm fellow Christians
    “The world has nothing against you, but it’s up in arms against me. It’s against me because I expose the evil behind its pretensions.” (John 7:7).

  26. SFDBWV says:

    I am glad we agree daisy, and believe me I would never consider you a “wimp”

    I had ask you a question at the end of our last Topic, if you get a chance I would appreciate your responce.


  27. sawaybon says:

    DMG, it sounds like you long to be hated. I reacted to your comments about Muslims, Buddhists and Hindus because I plan on returning to a mission field setting where those religions are equally predominant. I am trying to figure out how best to share the gospel with them. I don’t think your confrontational strategy would be very effective.

  28. echrisley says:

    Is there only one way to God?? The reply must either be yes or no. And the Bible is the only source for the correct answer. John 14:6: “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.” I find no latitude here!!

    I also have been very interested in Larry King’s “Christian” guests list and with his repeated questions such as “Should Christians stop trying to convert Jews”? and “What happens after we die”? “Is Jesus the only way to Heaven”? These questions are a great source of tension for some of the rather “light weight” guests that he selects.

    When I was a little girl growing up in the New River Valley of VA, I attended a church that scared the wits out of me to a degree. I was 15 when I accepted Christ and was pretty much clueless other than I knew in my heart He was real. In retropect, I feel that Christ was so sadly misrepresented there in that little church. But through the years God would open my eyes to help me sort out what was missing. I was blessed with a devout Christian mother full of grace and poise and a father who was a very “colorful” hillbilly. I know that God heard every prayer they prayed for me as I traveled the world in my 40 years with the airlines.

    We Christians never reach a plateau of learning and growing. I have truly enjoyed and have been inspired by this family of bloggers. This is the first for me as it was the longest time before I even knew what “blogging” was!! Now that I’m retired, I am learning all sorts of new “stuff”.


  29. daisymarygoldr says:

    Sawaybon, I cannot blow my own trumpet…but when we’ll get to meet in heaven you will hear from our Lord about me…my confrontational strategy and its effectiveness… in winning my unbelieving friends for the Lord. Was raised in a Christ-hating nation and am married to a pagan who came to know the Lord through my witness. Must admit…I’m not the best or a very strong witness …but it seemed good to Him to choose an unworthy person like me to share Christ with people who have never seen His light. Will be praying for your trip…that God will use you in a mighty way!

  30. pegramsdell says:

    WLM, thank you for your testimony. “He gives me strength when mine is spent”……. Wow, I love what you wrote, it really touched my heart. And I love how you wrote that you were confronted in a gentle way by the Spirit of Christ in those around you. That is amazing, when so many “Christians” scare people to death with gloom and doom talk. It’s nice to hear that you had people who really get it.

    I remember running into a lady I used to work with, while I was getting out of my car to go into Walmart. She ran up to me and hugged me and said she was soooo glad to see me, and I asked her how she was doing? She started crying and said that she got born again. She was so happy and I was very happy for her. Anyway, she said that she remembered everything that I said. (Now, I worked with her for a year before she left. So, you can imagine, I said quite a lot). Anyway, in this case, she was talking about being a Christian. And she thanked me and hugged me over and over again crying the whole time. Wow! I was shocked! I’ve never had anyone do that before.

    You know I have read in the bible and heard that some sow, some water, but the increase comes from the Lord. Now I see what that means. She was being ministered to the whole time we worked together, but wasn’t ready. And whenever I see her at church, she always goes out of her way to come and talk to me and hug me. She is such an inspiration to me. She is still so happy to be saved and loves the Lord so much.

    Like Rev. Jeff said “be real and be yourself”. And it sure helps to hear testimonies like these today.

  31. Jwigg says:

    Mart, your discussion of the “Christ Alone” issue for our interaction with a pluralist post-Christian, post-modern Western culture and its mass media propagandists reminded me of the following well-known passage from Part 2, Chapter 3 of
    C.S. Lewis, ‘Mere Christianity’, Geoffrey Bles, London, 1952 p.42:

    “I am trying here to prevent anyone saying the really foolish thing that people often say about Him: “I’m ready to accept Jesus as a great moral teacher, but I don’t accept his claim to be God.” That is the one thing we must not say. A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a good moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic-on a level with the man who says he is a poached egg-or else he would be the Devil of Hell. You must make your choice. Either this man was, and is, the Son of God: or else a madman or something worse. You can shut Him up for a fool, you can spit at Him and kill Him as a demon; or you can fall at His feet and call Him Lord and God. But let us not come with any patronising nonsense about His being a great moral teacher. He has not left that open to us. He did not intend to.”

    To many people today, it is a “shocking alternative” to accept Jesus of Nazareth on His own terms as the Lord from Heaven. The implications are so far-reaching for individuals and, beyond individuals,for the whole human race. To accept Jesus on His own terms, is to accept that one Man alone is the ultimate, absolute authority on questions of right and wrong.

    The popular idea that good and evil are subject to dialectical, evolutionary change from generation to generation of a human species which in turn has evolved from less complex, subhuman species leaves many “mainstream” Westerners very confronted by by the Man who claimed to be the I AM of the Hebrew Scriptures.

  32. gr8grannyjacobs says:

    When God has truly revealed Himself through salvation to a person that person becomes His. He will use each person differently. The bible for me so clearly demonstrates that each prophet and each disciple used different approaches as did Jesus. So we have to rely own God’s wisdom in our approach with each individual about the gospel. Hosea and Jeremiah must have seemed strange in the approaches they used but they were trusting God. Jesus knew exactly how to approach in every situation. We can best serve Him if we try to follow His Example.

    daisy Your approach always seems a bit brash to me but that certainly does not mean it is wrong. God uses me with a gentler approach. Whatever approach we take God is the power. No stone.:)

    WLM Thanks for sharing. Wonderful testimony about God’s love.

    Our own stories: something to be said about them.
    Enjoyed all of your comments.

  33. SFDBWV says:

    Emily, Welcome aboard. This is a lot of fun and a very good Christian exercise. I look forward to reading more from you.

    rdrcomp, Semper Fi….Yes we must talk. Have you seen the “Wall?” I cry every time I read Alfonso Bennigni’s name written there. Imagine that an old leatherneck like me crying.

    sawaybon, God be with you in your mission work. I have said this before, when one asks God to use them, better hold on tight because you’re going on an adventure you had no idea you were headed for. He will use you. HIS way. I pray for you the best.

    daisy, may I give you a hug?

    wretch-like-me, I love you brother. And am very happy for you.

  34. violet D says:

    I am frequently impressed by the way God ‘drives His points home’ by repetition! As Sawaybon noted earlier – today’s D.B. devotion AND this website’s Daily Strength for today tie into this discussion. Some time ago a Bible study I did emphasized that it is the responsibility of the Holy Spirit to convict – not mine – MY role is to witness – I am not responsible for the results. Many, including me, wanted to see results but over the years I have found it very free-ing to know that is Not my responsibility! Those who are involved with the media – no doubt – are aware ahead of time that their statements can be misused. None will know who or how many may be reached for the Lord by their statements. If they state the Truth the Holy Spirit can do the rest!
    I have attended both Billy and Franklin and have seen thousands HEAR the message, some RESPOND – and even less actually COMMIT!
    Jesus’ own ministry was like this, too!!
    My own family are another example – I was always “religious” but wasn’t ‘born again’ until in my 40s. I have learned NOT to pressure my children but just try to daily ‘model’ the Christian walk before them. I have accepted that God the Holy Spirit is the only One who can draw them to Him.
    Soloyo – I’m sorry to hear that you may need surgery – I hope you will keep us up-dated and in the mean-time know that I am praying for you.

  35. violet D says:

    Notice I omitted “Graham Crusades” after “Billy and Franklin” Ooops!!

  36. wretch-like-me says:

    Almost as an afterthought, I looked at today’s ODB and thought it very timely. We spend so much time worrying about what to say or how to say it or ‘looking for the right situation to share’. Believe me when I say, God has planted you where you are most needed and will provide the opportunity to use your unique witness…

    “…A woman bought a bottle of cod liver oil to give to her dog so he could have a healthier and shinier coat. Every morning, she pried the dog’s jaws open and forced the liquid down his throat. He struggled, but she persisted. He doesn’t know what’s good for him! she thought. Faithfully, each day she repeated the process.

    One day, however, the bottle tipped over and she released her grip on the dog for just a moment to wipe up the mess. The dog sniffed at the fishy liquid and began lapping up what she had spilled. He actually loved the stuff. He had simply objected to being coerced!

    Sometimes we use a similar method in telling others about Christ. Called buttonholing, it’s an intense, in-your-face kind of confrontation. While earnestly desiring to share the gospel, we may end up repelling people instead. In our sincere but overly enthusiastic attempt, we create resistance.

    We are called to share the good news, but we are not responsible for someone’s acceptance or rejection of Christ. It’s not our job to try to convict someone of sin. That’s the Holy Spirit’s responsibility (John 16:8).

    As you tell others of Christ’s sacrifice, be sensitive. Know when to slow down and let God and His Word do the convicting and drawing to Himself.”

    Do you believe your God is big enough to work all things to the good of those He has called to His work?

  37. sitsathisfeet says:

    When I was reading the blog again Hebrews 12:1 came to mind. Therefore since we are surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses, let us throw off everything that hinders, and the sin that so easily entangles, and let us run with perserverance the race marked out for us. This is so encouraging for when I feel alone in sharing Christ’s message, or tired, or discouraged, or off mark. We are part of the great cloud of witnesses!

  38. gr8grannyjacobs says:

    daisy First let me apologize to you as brash maybe wasn’t the right word to use. I know what I meant but after I posted I looked the word up and was surprised at the definition given in Websters. It’s a word we all use in our family to explain maybe a pushy type of attitude. So daisy know my definition and the heart behind the word.

    Can anyone believe Jesus is the only way without first believing in God? It seems that God Himself revealed Jesus in the Old Testament. Doesn’t He reveal Jesus in the New Testament as well? Everything is about the Father. Yes I know Jesus is His Son but that is because I believed in the Father. They didn’t believe He was the Son of God because they did not know the Father. So I wonder if harm is done by our words when we try to push Christ alone verses For God so loved that He sent His Son…….

    Matthew 16:15-17

    Please know God has revealed Jesus to me.

  39. daisymarygoldr says:

    Steve, the hug is much needed and reciprocated. Thank You!
    Gr8grannyjacobs, brash? Never with outsiders and unbelievers who are hearing the gospel for the first time. …they have always had my love, grace and the gentle and compassionate side of me….never pushed or forced my faith on anyone. In Dec 2007, did share Jesus with a young lady from Vietnam…She was an atheist… and was suffering from terrible depression. In response to her endless questions about life and its problems my only response was “Trust God and believe in Jesus”. In fact, just this month, she stopped by my office …to share about her growing belief in the God of the Bible…her words were: “What you said about Jesus is so-o-o true”!
    But within the family…it is a whole different story…especially when people say silly things here in this blog…and I know you all know…more than I do. Yes, I’m learning to be patient….maybe that’s why God has brought me here…to be stoned…to teach me to have patience for my own…

  40. gr8grannyjacobs says:

    daisy I truly don’t know what to respond. Will share a true story with you. My husband was not saved and then one day he asked God to help him. That was all he understood at that time. I knew about Jesus in my heart and knew the price He paid for me but my husband was not ready to hear that part yet.So I prayed and God showed me to be silent and let Him work in my husbands heart. I was silent and I prayed and over time God did reveal Jesus to my husband. He now weeps at the price paid for Him. I always feel you are angry with us who also love God and believe in Jesus. So have decided to tell you one more time here in this heart you are loved and will leave the rest with God. For I do not know it all but God does. I am sorry my words to you were silly they weren’t meant to be. I love the mystery of God and how He reveals Himself to us as we are able to understand. I have much to learn and feel no shame in admitting that. I learn each day from each of you. We are a family with Gods love and he reveals Jesus to us in his time not ours. My faith is simple like the untrained Peter but like Peter I have been blessed by Gods revelation to me about Jesus and have seen it in others, My approach is different than yours but it is the the result that matters. Repentance with a changed heart. How God brings that about is a mystery but I know it is real and I know He does. You are blessed. I would give you a hug but you might not accept it as I sense you are upset with me. Will send one anyway and pray.

  41. Mart De Haan says:

    I can’t imagine a better discussion than what I’m hearing. These are the kind of issues and different perspectives that we need to talk about. Your hearts, convictions and insights are so refreshing.

    Think I also may add a PS to the end of my post because it’s apparent that I was vague enough in my post to leave confusion about my intent. I also hope those who come to the site will follow the thread to catch the value of what we are saying to one another.

    I believe there is, just as some of you are indicating, a place and a time for direct, confrontation and candor about the exclusive nature of the Gospel, what Jesus said about himself, and what he alone did for us. I also believe there are times and places to do as some of you are suggesting– to let our actions speak for our confidence, and the difference Christ has made in us.

    In “Larry King” like situations, there is not time for guests to let their actions speak (except through immediate attitude), so candor and forthrightness is needed.

    But there is also a need for wisdom mixed with love, and gentle courage. When the unbeliever shows more kindness and “grace” to those who disagree with him/her, and when the follower of Christ sounds “arrogant” and brittle, attitudes seem to win.

    My sense is that sometimes our side is playing to our side and saying what we think our own camp wants us to say, rather than showing a heart of truth and love for all.

    Just quoting “My Word will not return void” to one another to justify the brashness of our representative can sound as if grace and wisdom are unimportant.

    I believe the Lord has given us different temperaments and gifts of communication which the he uses in his own way and time– which is probably one of the real values of a conversation like this.

    To restate my concern– seems to me that as followers of Christ we’d want others to hear from us “what we really believe” (without pulling any punches) while also showing that we know we are not God, that we cannot see into the hearts and minds of others, and that we believe ultimately “that the judge of all will do right”… without compromising our belief that Christ alone is Lord, Savior, Creator, and Judge of all.

  42. bretnb says:

    When asked that question the answer is always yes. But the why it is yes needs to be included.

  43. SFDBWV says:

    I liked what Peg said earlier “some sow, some water, but the increase comes from the Lord” I have to remember that.

    Everywhere I go polite people say to me, “hello how are you today?” Now I know that most of them really don’t care or want to know. But I have a pat answer.
    “Super excellent!” Almost always I get a startled look at that answer. And usually some comment. Like “I wish I could say that.”
    But I then use the moment as a segue into a little sermon. Most people are polite and listen. I continue by saying “Everything God created, he did so by what he said, not by what he wanted or thought but by what he said. We are like him in that we can create by what we say. So I say I am haveing a super excellent day.”

    They always smile and either respond by saying how true that is or by saying they hadn’t thought about that. But I bet they don’t forget it.

    For some this will be the only time I ever speak to them, I hope that it is a beginning point for them to “think” about what I had said and go into looking for themselves wether it be true or not.

    Our actions and our words have far reaching effect. Which is why by such we can bless or curse. Like the last post it is important to not take on the roll of the accuser but offer a kind word of encouragement. And yes sometimes say nothing at all.

  44. sawaybon says:

    “But within the family…it is a whole different story”?? I beg to differ. “Within family” must be a safe place, where grace, compassion, kindness and gentleness must be as predominant as outside the family.

    I know, because I have come to realize this in terms of my actual family. I realized that, while I was friendly and cordial with people that I met and interacted with, I would lash out at my wife and children, be harsh and critical towards them, put them down and make them feel “silly”, all because I was simply taking out my frustrations and venting on them. This has done damage in their spiritual formation, and I realize that I was creating an “unsafe” environment.

    The same thing can happen within the family of God. We become brash and harsh with each other. A gentle, loving approach like gr8granny’s is much better. One of my favorite songs currently, called Mighty To Save, begins with these words, “Everyone needs compassion, love that’s never failing, let mercy fall on me. Everyone needs forgiveness, the kindness of a Savior, the hope of nations.” These words really hit me recently when a Bible college senior, a friend and classmate of my daughter’s, committed suicide. I don’t know the reasons, but what if it had to do with interaction “within family”? Everyone needs compassion….

  45. SFDBWV says:

    Bob, We do indeed have a great deal in common. Even though my mother seen to it that I was raised up in a church environment. That didn’t mean that we as a family didn’t have our share of problems.

    I laugh at the trendy term “disfunctional family”. I wonder whose family isn’t disfunctional?

    At 17, when I entered the Marine Corps, I was as the prodigal son. Though I new better I went pall mall into the darker side of life. Wanting to prove something to myself.

    I seen some Marines who would set off to themselves reading their Bible. Many times I wanted to go over and talk with them. But I never did and they never tried to “share” with me either. I too wish I had been “Born again” then. But God was always at work with me.

    I completely understand your comments about the Vietnamese. It didn’t take us long to look at them as less than human. But I was up in Hue before the Tet offensive and saw a beautiful city filled with Catholic Christian Vietamese people. Hue was reduced to rubble along with many of thoes who lived there.

    I am so pleased you were able to reconcile yourself with your feelings. God always provides a way.

    I am also very happy that you and your son are able to share both tradition and most importantly, Christ together.


  46. violet D says:

    gr8granny I am so touched by your gentle spirit and enjoy your comments each time you post.
    Yeras ago I recall discussing baptism with a lady I had met on my travels. I had previously had my own struggle with my own understanding of this topic so shared – from my heart. Her reply to me was “Others have shared the same thing but it sounded as though they were repeating what they had learned – YOU sound like you really believe it”. That incident convinced me that ‘personal experience’ is a powerful witness and that is why I choose that instead of the “in-your-face” approach.
    What is the expression? More arguements are won by honey and not by vinegar.

  47. gr8grannyjacobs says:

    sawaybon I so needed your words of encouragement today. Thank you so much: God Bless

    soloyo Hope you are feeling better. Thinking of you:)

    violet D How precious your words are to me today and so heartfelt. You are loved.

  48. sitsathisfeet says:

    In the family education class I am taking the licensed counselor and very educated teacher has said that sometimes we need to treat our family members as nice as we would treat complete strangers. So often like sawaybon says we give ourselves license to say and do things that should be handled with love, acceptance, restraint and support. Not that we couldn’t hold our family accountable to a standard, but that we do it in a loving constructive way. Sometimes it involves tough Love and bold words. As far as the family here, I appreciate each one of you so much the brash, the bold, the meek, the peacemakers, those that speak up and out, and those who want to be hugged in His arms, comforted and protected from the storms of this life. Steve has said so often that we are all coming from different places in our journey with the Lord. Isn’t it marvelous, isn’t it wonderful, His grace, His wonderful grace!

  49. Dutch says:

    I’ve often asked myself the same question: How would I respond to the objection of one who seems to be offended by the Christian claim that Jesus is the only way to heaven or to peace with God?

    First, I would ask, “Where do we learn about heaven?” Answer: We learn it from the Bible. Therefore the Bible is the authority on heaven and how we might gain it. We are not interested in Nirvana or the Muslim Paradise or any other destination but the biblical heaven. And the Bible declares that there is no other way.

    Second, I would ask, “Would you agree that the only way to peace with God is through God and His requirements?” The likely answer would be, “Of course.” Then I would say this: Christians believe that Jesus IS God and that Jesus is not only humanity’s Savior, He is also our Creator. We believe that absolutely nothing would exist if it were not for Jesus the Creator and Sustainer of the cosmos. So how could any Jesus-created being gain ultimate reconciliation with God the Father except through God the Son: Jesus?

    No one could call himself a Christian if he did not believe in the Jesus the Creator and Savior.

    So to say Jesus is the only way is not a putdown; it is simply to say that there would be no Christianity at all if there were any other way. Christianity would not exist at all if Jesus the Savior is not also Jesus the Creator.

    Then I would share with them the first chapters of John, Colossians, and Hebrews where the deity and Creator status of Jesus is affirmed.

    My final question would be: “Can you understand why your asking me to accept any other way to heaven and peace with God is asking me to reject Christianity and the Bible?”

    Perhaps by then, if they are not convinced, they should at least not feel offended by me and my belief in Jesus as the only way.

  50. daisymarygoldr says:

    gr8grannyjacobs, I have nothing (no anger) other than love and respect for you and every person who comments on this blog. Words may appear as silly… but not people. So, please do not take it personally, okay? You are so-o-o precious and I am greatly blessed by your loving heart…hug is gladly accepted and reciprocated:)

    sawaybon, I greatly appreciate your posts….especially what you shared about your cousin…it was very touching. You said his story parallels only the first part of Job’s. I saw the latter end of restoration as well… in your cousin’s story. “He never lost his faith” and that is what matters in the end…because what does a man benefit, if he gains the whole world and loses his own soul?
    So, sawaybon, how would you show love, mercy, grace and compassion in a publicly silly situation like…if you see a piece of spinach stuck in your spouse’s teeth or a booger hanging from your child’s nose? This is what I would do…hastily reach out and clean it up…because they are family and that is my way of showing love for my own….and BTW wiping nose or teeth can be rough sometimes! In case of outsiders … I’d giggle behind their backs or just pretend to not see it or even simply ignore. Maybe you would react to the same situations differently. The point is, though we belong to the same family of God…we are all different, aren’t we? If all of us were like gr8grannyjacobs….then we’d be like a bunch of clones and there’d be nothing special about her. Sorry, if I sounded brash to you or failed to show you any compassion:( …besides, I’ve admitted that I’m learning…thank you so much for your patience!

  51. Robert Slone says:

    I believe Jesus Christ is the only way. Jesus treats us all as individuals. Just as a dad treats his children, which are all different, Jesus treats us as individuals. He is my personal Savior. Christians are suppose to plant and water seeds of faith in Jesus. He will do the rest. As far as the unborn, the mentally handicapped, etc., We do not have the wisdom that God has, but I do believe He deals with them with his love just as He did with me. We will never have all the answers in this world, that is what is part of the “great mystery”. We also have the “helper”, the Holy Spirit. I do believe we fret to much about things we will never know in this world. Good side track to keep us from doing what we should be doing.
    Thanks, and God bless.

  52. gr8grannyjacobs says:

    As I keep reading these different posts I am getting a deeper insight into the controversy that was rampant when I was young. Oneness verses Trinity. It doesn’t seem to be an issue you hear about much today .I never really understood why it was such an issue or how I personally believed. I am still not convinced I understand completely what the difference is in the theology. I do believe If one believes in the Father one also believes in the Son and the Holy Spirit. They may not know they believe in Christ but God will reveal that to them. I notice in almost every post both Jesus and God are mentioned. This leads me more toward the Oneness theology ( I think ). You can’t really separate Jesus and God. That is why I truly believe if God is working in someone’s life He will give them understanding about His Son.Can we say Christ alone without also including God? Jesus came to point us toward the Father so wasn’t he saying If you knew the Father you would know me? These are just thoughts I have in my times with God. They are not meant in anyway to cause dissension. I have often thought that if someone would just ask Larry King If he believes in God. Then they could tell him then if you believe in God He Himself will reveal Jesus to you just ask Him.Of course if he doesn’t truly believe in God then he certainly isn’t going to believe in Jesus. As you can see I am simple so maybe I make it all to easy. The God of Abraham is the God one must believe in to know His Son. They are One. This is how God has shown me so I can understand it may be different for others.

    daisy I wish I knew you as you so touch my heart. I imagine what you look like and what your personality is like. You seem so excitable. I wonder are you happy. Do you ever just sit down and let God hug you? Can you relax or are you constantly in motion? You share with us daisy but very guarded and that makes it hard to see any vulnerability in you as though you can’t trust us with your personal experiences. We all have experienced pain and sin in our lives and sharing that sometimes helps us so much. I hope I am not being to personal. I am just trying to reach out.

  53. femieasy says:

    My openion is, people being tagged narrow minded is an attempt by the devil to brand the Church as anti-humanistic(so to say). Yet, it is not unexpected that the agents of humanism would do nothing short of making permissiveness popular in the church in this endtime. The devil has no new tricks.

    From the beginning, the TRUTH has always been attacked even when presented with the finest attitude.

    And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. John 3:9

    To the glory of God, men are turning to Christ in large number the world over while the same truth of the gospel is being preached without apologies. It is impossible to turn men to God if the message is not LOVE. People respond to love because it is a need.

    They keep searching until they find it in God, through the Lord Jesus, the only way. And that’s awesome!

  54. sawaybon says:

    Just a little gentle correction, gr8granny. I think Scripture has it the other way around from what you’ve stated. In John 14:7, right after Jesus says, “no one comes to comes to the Father except through me”, He says, “If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well”, and in verse 9, “Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father”. So people who know Jesus know God as well, not the other way around. Many people acknowledge God and know Him well, but do not know Jesus. When we meet Jesus, we meet God. But when we meet God, we don’t necessarily meet Jesus.

    The mystery of the Trinity is its weird combination of Oneness and Threeness. Some people call it “funny math”. We cannot collapse Jesus into the One he calls Father. They are distinct, although there is a profound unity between them. Jesus prays in the Garden to God. They are One, but they are distinct. I think of the Trinity as being one divine essence (or substance) as existing in three persons (or modes of being). Does that make any sense?

    You’ve opened up a complicated topic. All I am suggesting is that belief in God does not automatically mean (or lead to) belief in Jesus. However, belief in Jesus does automatically mean belief in God. That is why I am leaning more and more to a “Christ alone” or “Jesus only” focus in theology.

  55. sawaybon says:

    DMG, thank you for your responses. I think our dialogue is healthy. One comment about your “spinach in the teeth” or “booger hanging from the nose” analogy: My tendency would be to deal with that in a very discreet way, to wait for an opportune time to point it out to them so that they can take care of it. In such a way so that no one else notices. I would not reach over and try to wipe it off myself — well, that depends if the child is a toddler — because that would amplify the embarrassment to the other individual, and draw unnecessary attention to them. I suppose that is probably a difference in personality between you and me, and like you said, we are not clones. That’s a good thing!

  56. Robert Slone says:

    The Bible, also, talks about the fact that God seeks us out, but just as he told the disiples, if they will not listen, then shake the dust off your feet and move on. I believe God does the same thing, in that He knocks at our heart’s door and will quit knocking when He deems it is useless. Some poor souls will never give in to God nor reach heaven. I do believe that God is saddened by the souls that will not heed his call, but I believe all of heaven rejoices when a soul is saved. Man’s wisdom is but folly to God, but praise him, he understands and takes care of those that believe in his son, Jesus, so we can reach God.

  57. poohpity says:

    You guys are really a hoot! Boogers?


    That was a great thought about heaven. How does anyone know that there is a heaven except from the bible. Many people say so many things from the bible and do not even know that it is already written there.

    I learned from someone that the trinity is like an egg. It has three distinct parts but it is all an egg, the egg white, the egg shell and the egg yolk.

    It would seem that the One who created heaven would be the One to tell us how to get there. There is so much more it seems than just a yes answer but that just about says it all. I believe that just having a relationship with God is heavenly all in and of itself.

    If I gave someone the directions to my house there may be many different routes but when it comes to the specifics there is only one door to walk through to come in and that door is Jesus. So if we want to come into God’s house only He can explain how and gives us the keys to unlock the door.

  58. pegramsdell says:

    Glad you made it back Deborah. Hope everything went well with the surgery. My prayers and thoughts have been with you. Interesting about the egg. Also, Jesus said that if we knew Him then we would know the Father.

  59. SFDBWV says:

    1 John 5:7, “For there are three that bear record in heaven,the Father,the Word, and the Holy Ghost:and these three are one.”
    Matthew 28:19,” Go ye therefore,and teach all nations,baptizing them in the name of the Father,and of the Son,and of the Holy Ghost.”

    The trinity is an easy one. All throughout scripture the three parts of God are revealed and shown. In every Book and on every page.

    But trying to convert an unbeliever who happens to be your spouse or father or mother? Now there is a tough chore.

  60. Robert Slone says:

    I’m new here and have very much enjoyed reading people’s thoughts on God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit, but can poohpity tell me what “Boogers?” means, and why us guys are a real hoot. I heard the same thing about the egg about 50 years ago. I agree having God’s gift of grace is heaven more than I already deserve, besides the blessings and care given while still here on earth, maybe I am misunderstanding your comment, but you sound as if you are making fun of others. I don’t mean to be judgemental of you, only your statement.
    With Jesus’s love, Robert.

  61. gr8grannyjacobs says:

    sawaybon Thanks for the gentleness. I should stick to what I do know. Jesus is my Savior. God is my Father. I have a heavenly relationship. I am simple and God is showing me that is how I need to stay:)

    Sitsathisfeet: You said it all and so lovely:)

  62. violet D says:

    I don’t know if this is helpful – but I heard the Trinity explained by the fact that I am a ‘daughter’, a ‘mother’, a ‘sister’ – yet I am just one person. You get the drift and can substitute whatever relationships you want. Like any ‘explanations’ of the Trinity it falls short but maybe helps. :)

  63. Gena says:

    “For instance, when Larry King or another talk show host asks Christian guests whether they believe that receiving Christ is the only way to heaven, a “yes” answer can be taken as proof that the guest has been shown to be irrationally narrow and necessarily wrong.”

    All the time, all the time. Just recently had a debate of sorts with a colleague who felt a co-workers simple faith was too simple. The colleague felt that nothing is simple, therefore everything about Christ and of religion was not simple. This is a person who loves a challenge, thrives on it as a matter of fact. Some people are like that…they simply cannot accept that something as easily attainable as salvation can be so simple an act. So yes, what we put out as a right answer is nothing but a wrong answer to some.

  64. plumbape says:

    Poohpity great to have you back. I have felt we have alot in common from past experiences and the way of dealing with what life offers us. although the male species doesn’t show the love as easy as the ladies do, lol. My older bro had the hip surgery, many years ago, they made it stiff due to his young age and advancments in the ball and socket were yet to come. I recall you speaking of your past and drugs and then pain meds for awhile after that. Speaking as one who has been forgiven much, lol, as you once said also but don’t punish yourself by refusing pain meds either. That type of surgery is exactly what they are used for and I don’t think as christians we have to suffer more to show our faith. It sounds like you know these things better than I anyway just had it on my mind. How is your Mom coming along?
    I remember a place outside of Mesa that is like a hobo camp, they called it the Jungle? I came from San Diego to pick up my younger bro there that had spent a week on the road hitch hiking across country. It was full of very colorful folks indeed, my kind of people.
    Stay Blessed
    Oh the Egg theory is cool! Ironic that Egron James is one of the star running backs for the Cardinals and he came from Indy we called him the Egg! Liked the way the Quarter Back gave praise to God during the end of the game celebration! Amen

  65. gr8grannyjacobs says:

    Pooh, Boogers? I know you are doing well as your sense of humor is alive. They said it but you repeated it! Seriously I am glad you are handling your recovery and healing. A hug to you.

  66. poohpity says:

    I know wasn’t that cool, Go Cardinals! Used to work with folks out there but can not remember the name for the like of me of what they used to call it. That was about 16 years ago. I am paying very close attention to pain meds and abuse. The chemo is slowing down the cancer and shrinking some of the tumors, so another praise and thank you so much for asking. I think that males show love just as much as females just in a male kinda way, you do a good job of it.

    Well Robert judgment is judgment, so if it sounds judgmental to you maybe it is. FYI, I was chuckling over the conversation about spinach and boogers as was earlier posted as examples.

    gr8, I could not help myself, I had to say something. Thanks for the hugs and back at ya.:)

  67. Laurielee says:

    I’m happy you’re back and sounding well, pooh! I enjoyed the story of the egg, I’d never heard that one. Having my mother and grandmother coming here from Ireland, I always liked the shamrock story attributed to St. Patrick (though I’m not catholic). It goes; When St. Patrick was asked how God the Father, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit could be 3 but 1, he plucked a shamrock from the ground. Showing them the 3 leaves that make up the one shamrock. (Don’t even ask about 4-leaf clovers—they’re mutants!!!)

  68. gr8grannyjacobs says:

    sawaybon I have thought about our earlier conversation all day and still now. I wasn’t trying to say Jesus was not the only way I was saying we are all led to Jesus in different ways. Does that make more sense now? Just clarifying:) The theology was a different point and as you know I am not a theologian just a simple child of God.

    Mart So happy to see dod on the web now. Its great.

  69. daisymarygoldr says:

    gr8grannyjacobs,:) you do know me very well…always excitable when it comes to the Bible….and my sincere desire is to infect others with the same passion for His word! When I am not happy I make it a point to let everybody know about it. Do relax and not the restless kind. Thought I talked a lot…sometimes it embarrasses me to the point of feeling ashamed of having shared too much about myself. I do trust you all and the very thoughts that I share over here express my vulnerability…really cannot mask my emotions very well. I literally put my heart and feelings into my comments and sometimes do get stomped all over:( Did share about the pain of losing my Grandparents, missing my parents and siblings back home, my besetting sins and other little snippets of my life, school, family and job… Pain and sin is common to all of us. So, I do not make a big deal about my physical pains and sins….because His grace is always sufficient for me. God in the person of Jesus Christ is my first love and yes, I do let Him hug me…all the time:) Good night!

  70. femieasy says:

    God has fulfilled his purpose by revealing Himself thruogh Jesus. But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name John 1:12.

    From personal experience and believers’ testimonies, an encounter with Jesus is an encounter with the father and the Holy Spirit. The experience is so real and personal. God is not demanding our theological understanding of trinity(its my openion). I think He is waiting for sweet relationship/fellowship like the father of the prodigal son.

    Sometimes I’ll rather present the Love of God as revealed through Jesus Christ and the first step towards grasping the essence of trinity which is better experienced. It is not unusual for believers to have a glimps of God’s personality and not have enough words to explain it.

    “Such knowledge is too wonderful for me, too lofty for me to attain” comes from king David’s mouth when God filled him with such a convicing knowledge of how much He cares. Psalm 139:6

    The message that’s so pressing at the moment is John 3:6. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

  71. femieasy says:

    I meant to say John 3:16. I am sorry for the miatsake

  72. pegramsdell says:

    Blessed Trinity. 3 in 1. Awesome. Triply blessed.
    Father, Son, and Holy Spirit…..sort of like……. me, myself, and I.
    Like my spirit, soul and body? IDK…

  73. pegramsdell says:

    Of course on a deity level though.
    Not to compare me to God, just using it as an example.

  74. bdbuie says:

    Some clarifications…

    I believe the statement ‘Christianity is about a personal relationship with God’ is unhelpful and simplistic.

    The institutional Church is not merely designed as a spiritual refueling station for individual Christians, but is the place where Christ is to be found and communed with, such that it is always disastrous to leave her. There is ordinarily no salvation outside of the Church (but, there is never salvation outside of faith in Christ).

    The visible Church is the reality of the new relationship with God that Christ has established. The Church is the place where man and man and man and God are finally brought together in the body of Christ. God is not primarily concerned with having immediate personal relationships with individuals, but in the formation of a new society — indeed, a new humanity. Personal relationships are part of this, but we cannot reduce everything to them.

    The scriptures say where two, or three, are gathered together in Christ’s name he is in their midst; thus we learn that Christ’s chief concern is not with one, but with many.

    The Church is the pillar and foundation of truth (I Timothy III. xv), the Bride of Christ (Revelation XXI. ii), and the Ark of the New Covenant (I Peter III. xx). We do God no justice when we reduce the relationship he has with his Bride so we may glory in the relationship he has with an isolated part of her body.

    In summary; salvation is by grace alone through faith in Christ alone, however, this salvation is acted out through the Church and almost impossible to have outside of her.

    I hope my clarification is helpful…

  75. Karla Elisa says:

    Some of the most compelling statements I’d ever read, came from a book called “Velvet Elvis”, written by Pastor Rob Bell of Mars Hill Church in Grand Rapids, MI.

    “The church must stop thinking about everybody primarily in categories of in or out, saved or not, believer or nonbeliever…We are all created in the image of God, and we are all sacred valuable creations of God.

    Oftentimes the Christian community has sent the message that we love people and build relationships in order to convert them to the Christian faith. So there’s an agenda. And when there’s an agenda, it isn’t really love, is it? It’s something else.

    The church is at its best when it is underground, subversive, and countercultural. It is the quiet, humble, stealth acts that change things.

    And this is because the most powerful things happen when the Church surrenders it’s desire to convert people and convince them to join. It is when the Church gives itself away in radical acts of service and compassion, expecting nothing in return, that the way of Jesus is most vividly put on display.” Rob Bell

    I no longer live in the Grand Rapids area, so I no longer attend Mars Hill. But I feel quite blessed to have spent time in that Church.

    There was some serious faith in action there, with regard to outreach to the least of those in our community. They didn’t plant Churches, they planted Christians. In really bad neighborhoods. And it was paying off.

    For me, it IS pretty much about my personal relationship with Christ. I don’t proselytize. I simply let my light be seen.
    And that seems to be enough to draw the curiosity of those around me who are struggling, often because they don’t know Christ.
    I don’t know if there is anything that warms my heart more than having someone ASK me about my faith.

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