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Why Doesn’t Paul Quote Jesus?

In so many ways, the Apostle Paul mirrors the heart of Christ. Where can we find a better example of a transformed follower of Jesus who suffered so much, and worked so tirelessly for the growth and perfection of “the Body” (i.e. 2Cor 11:23-31)? Who else can we point to who so faithfully speaks in behalf of  “God in the flesh”?

Yet as some have read and listened to Paul, they have been struck by what he doesn’t say.

Have you ever noticed that, even though the Apostle Paul confesses Jesus as Lord, God, Messiah and Savior, he hardly ever quotes Jesus word for word in his letters?

Neither does Paul make a practice of retelling the stories his Lord told.

Peter and James follow the same pattern. They declare Jesus as Lord but don’t quote him the way we quote authorities. Neither did they repeat the words of Jesus the way first century rabbis memorized and rehearsed the words of their trusted teachers. Yet Jesus was Rabbi of rabbis (i.e. Teacher of teachers).

Matthew, Mark, Luke and John quote Jesus at length. But again, in all that Paul wrote (and as the major NT author), he quotes Jesus only occasionally (i.e.  1Cor 11:24-25;  in retelling how the resurrected Christ changed his life and told him what to do; and–as Luke quotes Paul in Acts saying, “Our Lord said, “that it is more blessed to give than to receive” (Acts 20:35).

Any idea why the New Testament letters of the apostles don’t have more “red letter” sections?

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39 Responses to “Why Doesn’t Paul Quote Jesus?”

  1. chapmartin says:

    1. One possible reason that the letters of Paul do not have more “red letter” sections is date. How could he have quoted the Gospels when he was writting before they were penned?

    2. Another possible reason that Paul does not quote Jesus word for word, is that he did not have the same eyewitness exposure that the Gospel writers had to the life of Christ. However, this can not explain the lack of quotes in Peter and James.

    3. A final reason may be concerning the purpose of the different texts. The purpose of the epistles are clearly different from the Gospels. For instance, while John does quote Jesus in his Gospel account, John’s epistles (1,2,3 John) do not contain one “red letter” section. The purposes of each are different.

  2. bretnb says:

    Like chapmartin said, he was not an eyewitness, to seeing Christ on a daily physical way. I guess thats my small simple thought on it.

  3. SFDBWV says:

    An old saying, “Actions speak louder than words.”

    The first book after the four Gospels or biographies of Jesus of Nazareth is the book of “ACTS” (action).

    Once that Jesus had completed His job it was up to the men whom He picked to do theirs. On the day of Pentecost, the Holy Spirit came to the newly formed Church. The “Great Commission” was then and is now to go into all nations everywhere and proclaim the Gospel. Aided by the Ho;y Spirit to enable us to speak boldly and accurately.

    When Paul, told us of the “armor of God” one of the defenses is the sword of truth, the “Word of God”. As we are called into question as to where we get authority to speak or from what sourse do we get our information. Our defense is the written word, We may speak boldly even from the Holy Spirit. But an unbelieving world always wants proof. So if we speak by way of the Holy Spirit, he will confirm by way of His Word. “Thus saith the Lord…..” Paul’s proof seemed to be in the miracles he did and by his successes

    Also want to say that Luke the traveling companion of Paul wrote the Gospel of Luke and quoted all of what Jesus had said to the best of his information gathered by eye and ear witnesses. The same for Peter, many believe Mark’s Gospel was from Peter as told to Mark.

    However we are still in the uncompleted book of Acts, our actions and words continue to be a witness for Jesus Christ and the work of the Holy Spirit.

    “Action speaks louder than words” We can quote Jesus all day. But putting thoes words into action is what the writers and men of the NT did.

  4. carlj says:

    Is it possible that the recipients of the epistles accepted the authority of the writers and therefore it was a given and not necessary for them to back up their writings with a quote from Jesus? Contrast this to today where in writings and sermons the words of Jesus are frequently used to give authority to writings and sermons.

    The writers of the gospels wrote the account of Jesus and in somewhat of a biographical format, used quotes from Jesus to detail His life.

  5. SFDBWV says:

    Bob is right on track, I remember reading whereas prayer meetings and sermons went on for hours. I am certain Peter, Paul and all the disciples told all about this man from Galilee. And as Bob said, then followed up with letters to correct, teach or edify the believers.

    Of course there is a great deal of red letters in Revelation. The only Book of the Bible that guarantees a blessing upon the reader.

  6. sjd says:

    Recently I heard Alistair Begg preaching and he made a statement about the centrality of Christ in the Scripture, and made a statement something like this regarding how the Scriptures dealt with Christ: “In the Old Testament, Jesus is predicted. In the Gospels, Jesus is revealed, In the Acts of the Apostles, Jesus is preached. In the Epistles, Jesus is explained. In the Revelation to John, Jesus is expected.”

    Paul’s approach and purpose is different than the Gospel writers, but it certainly is not inconsistent with the life and teachings of Christ. We are seeing Christ lived out through him. “I no longer live, but Christ lives in me.”

    Paul could say “Be imitators of me, just as I also am of Christ.” I Cor. 11:1 and “Brethren, join in following my example…” Phil 3:17, because his goal was Christ, Christ in fact was his life. Paul was explaining how the life of Christ looked in everyday life as Christ lived in and through him and is possible to live in and through you and me.

  7. kaliko88 says:

    I love listening to Alistair Begg, though I don’t get to often. That is a wonderful quote. I think I’ll have to go to his website and look for that one in the archives. I’ve actually never even considered how Jesus is mentioned in the NT. I’m still just trying to get through and learn the basic lessons taught in them, nevermind looking for implications and deeper layers. So much to learn!

  8. sjd says:

    I heard it from a series on Hebrews on a CD that someone from our church has that Alistair spoke on. It was from a message somewhere in the middle. I can check on from which one later. He makes me smile a lot.

  9. Charis says:

    Could it be that God didn’t want us to make the words into an idol? Seems to me that humanity has a tendency to forget “the Word” behind the words.

    “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God…. The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.” John 1:1,14

  10. daisymarygoldr says:

    Good question! And I agree with what the others have said above. The Gospels are a direct account of Jesus and His life on earth and therefore, quoted Jesus. That is why it is advised that people should read the gospels if they wanted to know more about who Jesus is…though I believe that God can speak to someone through any book of the Bible, even the Leviticus!

    Paul’s epistles are more about applying the teachings of Jesus to the Christian home, church and society. Unlike the gospels, the epistles are addressed more to Christians and not to the world. Paul’s letters are more like discussion of internal family matters…. very straightforward… something similar to a father writing to his children. Hence he is sometimes misunderstood as a male chauvinist or racist by new believers or even unbelievers…i.e. those who are either new to the family or may not belong the family.

  11. daisymarygoldr says:

    Some more random thoughts…maybe not in direct response to the main subject…

    God uses people in various ways and He certainly had a very special purpose for Paul who referred to himself as the last of the Apostles that was untimely born. I agree with Bob’s (rdrcomp) comment above that Paul mostly preached to the gentiles…but then even before he took the good news to the gentiles, immediately after his conversion the very first thing Paul did was to straightaway preach in the synagogues, that Jesus is the Son of God.

    You see, God’s ways are w-a-a-y beyond our comprehension and His thoughts certainly are f-a-a-r above human thoughts. Who would have thought that God would take Paul the persecutor and make him into Paul the preacher? Paul learned at the feet of Gamaliel, a very renowned Rabbi who was greatly revered by the Jews (Acts 5:34-39). It seemed befitting that God would have one of the greatest experts of the Law to confound the Jews in their wisdom and prove to them that Christ was indeed the Messiah.

    Actually, they did get convinced (that’s what I believe)…to the point that it drove them to a mad fury of murderous anger… to kill him (Acts 9: 21-23)! They did get convinced but they rejected Christ….because since eternity… God had purposed the blindness of the Jews to bring redemption to the Gentiles! Who can ever understand the wisdom of God and who has ever known His ways?

  12. Cindy Stroop says:

    I believe that what chapmartin, sjd and others have stated about purpose seems to hit very close to the center of the answer to the question “why the New Testament letters of the apostles don’t have more “red letter” sections?”. Also rdrcomp states inspiration as well. Since the inspiration of the Holy Spirit determines the purpose of the writing all these thoughts seem to mesh nicely. Thanks to all for your rich discussions – not just this one but the others I’ve recently begun following as well!

  13. mjday11 says:

    Interesting question. I’d never thought about it. My guess would be that after Paul had his Damascus Road experience, he spent time by himself in the wilderness, developing his views. Since he had never known Jesus like the other apostles, he did not share their personal experiences about Him. He needed to develop his own particular relationship, which he did through prayer.

    Just some thoughts.

  14. kbutterfly says:

    I agree with many of these comments. Christ made many references to the fact that we would know the Father because we knew Him and that what He speaks is directly from the Father. We are to be speaking only what the Father says as well. His word says that they will know who our Father is by the way we conduct ourselves.
    His life was a witness to God as our should be a witness to our Lord..which will also be a witness to our God. Isn’t there a verse that says something like – I and my father are one and He desires us to be one like that and another that says I am in my Father and they are in me…somebody help me out here.

  15. jlevrier says:

    According to Scripture, Paul after having his sight restored: Acts 9:18 And immediately there fell from his eyes as it had been scales: and he received sight forthwith, and arose, and was baptized.
    19 And when he had received meat, he was strengthened. Then was Saul certain days with the disciples which were at Damascus.
    20 And straightway he preached Christ in the synagogues, that he is the Son of God.
    21 But all that heard him were amazed, and said; Is not this he that destroyed them which called on this name in Jerusalem, and came hither for that intent, that he might bring them bound unto the chief priests?
    22 But Saul increased the more in strength, and confounded the Jews which dwelt at Damascus, proving that this is very Christ.
    Recalling that Jesus was sent to preach Christ
    to the lost sheep of the house of Israel (Matt 15:24)
    Paul was called to preach to the Gentiles: Acts 13:46-48 (KJV)46 Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles. 47 For so hath the Lord commanded us, saying, I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles, that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth. 48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed. Paul was called to spread the gospel, as he states in 1 Corinthians 15:1-11 (KJV)1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. 3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: 5 And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve: 6 After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep. 7 After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles. 8 And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time. 9 For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. 10 But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me. 11 Therefore whether it were I or they, so we preach, and so ye believed. Paul did not use signs and wonders Lord Jesus did John 4:48 (KJV) Then said Jesus unto him, Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe. When Paul was bitten by a viper (Act 28:3) he was gathering sticks to make a fire and was not performing signs and wonders. In summary Paul was called to present the gospel as stated in 1 Cor 15:3-4

  16. jlevrier says:

    Yes kbutterfly there are verses as you said, they are found in John 10:30 I and my Father are one. and John 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

  17. mighty4mom says:

    Why do you quote someone, anyway? No disrespect, but most of the time we quote someone or the authority because we want some sanction or affirmation. Paul’s life as an Apostle was that sanction or affirmation and he needed to quote Jesus only occasionally.

  18. jeffho06 says:

    That’s a question I never thought of before. Kind of along the lines of what Charis said, perhaps this passage sheds some light on why Paul does not quote Jesus word for word:
    2 Corinthians 3
    You show that you are a letter from Christ, the result of our ministry, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts.

    4Such confidence as this is ours through Christ before God. 5Not that we are competent in ourselves to claim anything for ourselves, but our competence comes from God. 6He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant—not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

  19. mzs says:

    Hmmm…Jesus wasn’t speaking to the throngs who followed him when he interupted Paul on his journey to Damascus. Paul was chosen. He had been singled out. Wow! Paul had a fear that the cross would lose it’s power if went around speaking with high sounding ideas, possibly choosing not to quote Jesus. For Christ didn’t send me to baptize, but to preach the Good News—and not with clever speech, for fear that the cross of Christ would lose its power. 1 Cor 1:17. People were like lost sheep looking to anyone they could follow. They heard about Jesus miracles but when he was crucifed many must have lost heart. Paul often said his wasn’t a very good speaker anyway. Besides Paul’s writings were mostly letters to encourage all beleivers. They already instinctly know God…..My final thought is that we shouldn’t question why the word is written this way for fear of sidetracking us from the real meassage that Paul was trying to give us. Wasn’t Peter crucified upside down because he felt unworthy to be hung like his master. Maybe he didn’t want to miss-quote his teacher…

  20. Roostar57 says:

    Why Doesn’t Paul Quote Jesus? Like Paul/Saul, I grew up acquiring a great amount of knowledge of what the Scriptures have to say. But, it was not until recently that I really got the first hand experience of walking with Jesus! I believe that Paul has been tasked with relaying to the believers his personal day to day dealings in the Christian walk. Paul tended to be very specific about what he felt was important in to his personal walk with Christ, and encouraged all others to pursue the same type of relationship. I have noticed that Paul’s manner of addressing the believers became humbler as time went on; opening my eyes to the great amount of love God has for me and my own unworthiness. I think Paul’s scriptural function is to show us how “it” is supposed to work. God lets me participate based on His love and not on what I know or I am able to do….Paul points out, though his own life and writings that He/God doesn’t need me but He longs to relate with me.

  21. sjd says:

    With this discussion I feel funny quoting Jesus, but here it is. :)

    John 5:39-40 (NASB95)
    39 “You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me;
    40 and you are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life.

    The Incarnate Word is our life.

    But I do love to hear His words as you do too.

  22. jlevrier says:

    Acts 17:10-34 (KJV)10 And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews. 11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so. 12 Therefore many of them believed; also of honourable women which were Greeks, and of men, not a few. 13 But when the Jews of Thessalonica had knowledge that the word of God was preached of Paul at Berea, they came thither also, and stirred up the people. 14 And then immediately the brethren sent away Paul to go as it were to the sea: but Silas and Timotheus abode there still. 15 And they that conducted Paul brought him unto Athens: and receiving a commandment unto Silas and Timotheus for to come to him with all speed, they departed. 16 Now while Paul waited for them at Athens, his spirit was stirred in him, when he saw the city wholly given to idolatry. 17 Therefore disputed he in the synagogue with the Jews, and with the devout persons, and in the market daily with them that met with him. 18 Then certain philosophers of the Epicureans, and of the Stoicks, encountered him. And some said, What will this babbler say? other some, He seemeth to be a setter forth of strange gods: because he preached unto them Jesus, and the resurrection. 19 And they took him, and brought him unto Areopagus, saying, May we know what this new doctrine, whereof thou speakest, is? 20 For thou bringest certain strange things to our ears: we would know therefore what these things mean. 21 (For all the Athenians and strangers which were there spent their time in nothing else, but either to tell, or to hear some new thing.) 22 Then Paul stood in the midst of Mars’ hill, and said, Ye men of Athens, I perceive that in all things ye are too superstitious. 23 For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you. 24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands; 25 Neither is worshipped with men’s hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things; 26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation; 27 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us: 28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring. 29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man’s device. 30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: 31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead. 32 And when they heard of the resurrection of the dead, some mocked: and others said, We will hear thee again of this matter. 33 So Paul departed from among them. 34 Howbeit certain men clave unto him, and believed: among the which was Dionysius the Areopagite, and a woman named Damaris, and others with them.

  23. poohpity says:

    I believe that the letters written by those in the New Testament had many purposes. Some to equip the saints, some to dispel problems in the first church, some to encourage and some to confront. It is sort of like in a sentence, the gospels and Acts are the nouns and the epistles are the verbs.

    I believe it is like that in our lives we can spend so much time quoting that we are short on the action. The red letters, after accepting Christ, are written in our hearts as they were with Paul. From what I understand after Paul’s salvation he did teach in the synagogue but he also went away for sometime before he started the fullness of his ministry to the gentiles to put together what he learned earlier in his life to what was revealed by the Holy Spirit.

    If we read the nouns (gospels) and fall to apply what we learn our faith becomes worthless. So we can quote all we want but for what purpose unless less we (verb) teach, equip, encourage and do.

  24. Laurielee says:

    Could it be that the instructions were already given? For instance, if you’re building something you read the instructions, but sooner or later you have to actually DO something to build the project. If you just keep on reading the instructions, nothing gets done.

    p.s. Funny, though, that WE always quote Jesus…the ULTIMATE Authority. I am sometimes struck by some of the things Paul said that people take as commandments. Things about which Jesus said nothing. A woman speaking to the church, a woman cutting her hair, etc. When confused, I go to Christ’s word alone.

  25. poohpity says:


    I sometimes think of Paul like a fireman putting out fires that started in the early church. Most of his teaching addressed what was going on in different countries that had different cultural norms. It seems that those cultural issues were trying to infiltrate what the church was teaching. I feel we do that in the USA too.

  26. BruceC says:

    This may be a strange way to look at it; but it’s as if Christ gave us the recipe and then Paul told us about the challenges we face in cooking it and how to make the adjustments. I know it almost sounds demeaning; but that’s what I see. The churches that he wrote to were already established and had heard the Gospel; so he began to confront the many problems that arose. If I have dificulty with a section I usually go to a few commentaries and pray; as the entire Bible are the Words of Christ. All of it is in harmony. I guess the Holy Spirit did not instruct Paul to go over the Words of Christ again as God knew we would have them written down at some time. And we have know idea of all that the Spirit said to Paul on the Damascus road; just as we know that many of the little details were left were not given to us in the creation narrative. God has given what we need as He has promised. Like the Word says, if everything Christ had done were written down then all the libraries of the world could not hold it. Imagine trying to sit down and read that!

  27. Mart De Haan says:

    Again, I appreciate so much of what you all have been saying here. In many different ways you have described the relationship between the shared ultimate purpose and teachings of Jesus and Paul– even though others claim that Paul’s failure to quote Jesus indicates that they were on different “pages” (i.e. interests).

    Paul maintains that “all Scripture is God-breathed”, and he shows by his letters that he is building on the foundation of what God has revealed from Moses to Christ. He is message is that as God over the past i.e. 1500 years has been speaking to the world through the nation of Israel, he is now going to speak to the world through the international body of all who believe that Jesus is the Messiah/Savior/Son of God who died for our sins and rose bodily on the third day to live his life in and through all who will trust him.

    In his letters Paul expresses timeless principles of God, rooted in the Jewish Scriptures, personified and fulfilled in Jesus– in a way that gave light and help to the people and world of the first century. He focused on issues of faith, love, and a clear conscience (1Timothy 1:5-17).

    I’ll try give us a chance to think together more about the “Jewish roots” and “the blessing/application to all nations” as we go along.

  28. pegramsdell says:

    Paul told everyone what the Lord said to him. He did not walk with Jesus, how can he quote Him? But, he did let people know what he knew of Him. What he did witness and testified to that.

  29. poohpity says:


    I think that is so neat that although Paul wasn’t around Jesus, he still understood the gospel through the Holy Spirit. Paul’s message is consistent with what Jesus taught.

  30. angelrowe says:

    The Apostle Paul did not have the eyewitness accounts of JESUS CHRIST, Disciples.

  31. Lori Joy says:

    What an interesting question. Here is my two cents worth:
    If Paul was writing under the divine inspiration of the Holy Spirit (which I fully believe he was), then I would suggest that Paul was in fact “quoting” the words of God. Everyone nowadays puts so much emphasis on the “red letter” words of Jesus to add “credibility” to their message. However, we tend to forget that Jesus was not speaking his own words… he was speaking the words of His Father in Heaven as inspired and directed by the Holy Spirit.
    I would hypothisize that the people in Paul’s time understood and accepted that when Paul wrote to them, (with the exception of when he stated that he was speaking “in the man”), he wrote under the direction and inspiration of the Holy Spirit and therefore they would have viewed Paul’s writings as words from God. How much more credibility did they need? There is no one more credible than God. The example Paul set during his life and the fact that the teachings in his letters are consistant with the teachings of Christ would have lended to solidifying the credibility as well. Paul’s teachings in may respects could even be considered a “paraphrase” of Christ’s teachings… a paraphrase being really nothing more than a loose quote or rewording to confirm one’s understanding of the original statement. In which case, Paul was “quoting,” just not in the direct, “red letter” form.

  32. tonyj says:

    Great question, but let’s reverse the order, shall we?
    Why doesn’t Jesus quote Paul? Why doesn’t Jesus tell us in the Gospels that at Calvary we all died with Him and on Easter Sunday we were all raised to new life in Him. Why doesn’t he tell us that we are now raised up in Heavenly place in Him and that our lives are now hid with Him in God?
    Well, I think we all know the answer to those questions. Paul, via the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, knew clearly that Jesus’ earthly life does not save or change us, only His death and resurrection does. Jesus had very little to say about the effects of His death and resurrection and how it changes those who believe. He commissioned Paul to preach that message. Paul states, “For I determined not to know anything among you except Jesus Christ, and Him CRUCIFIED (1Cor. 2:2). Paul explains that when Jesus died He took ALL with Him “…that if One died for all, then ALL died.” (2Cor. 5:14). In verse 16 he states, “Therefore, from now on, we regard no one according to the flesh. Even though we have know Christ according to the flesh, yet NOW we know Him thus no longer. Wow! So, what happened to change Paul’s perspective on the life of Jesus? Well, it wasn’t just the truth of Jesus’ death and Resurrection, but it was the monumental, earth shattering changes that that truth brings into each life that believes this truth. Truly, the Cross is the pivotal point of time and eternity. The Gospels hint at it, but the epistles explain it. Therefore, Paul doen’t need to quote Jesus’ words; He didn’t explain the Cross.

  33. rlynnlong says:

    Only once does Paul actually almost quote something that Jesus taught us (1Cor 11:23-25). He apparently heard that from his Companion Luke— 4 yrs before Luke could have written his gospel yet.

    As I have said many times- Paul never mentions the Virgin Birth and any of Jesus’ miracles. Resurrection was caused by God…. not Jesus.

    Again, I have told you that Paul never mentions a single of Jesus’ parables…. Jesus thought the parables were so important that He said that he would “open his mouth and teach mysteries” (paraphrase).

    This might seem trivial… but, it is not. Had we depended on Paul [who wrote over 50% of the New Testament]- we would know NOTHING about Jesus. Paul died before a single Gospel was written down.

    Since Paul was willing to contest Peter and James over something like “kosher” food and circumcision and writes about it in his epistles- TRULY, how is it that in his many letters he never even mentions all the above?

  34. Rick123 says:

    rlynnlong: knowledge or faith, the important thing for God will be how we have acted, what we have done, even when done without knowing how it relates to God.

    While PAUL clearly taught that we are saved by being passive beneficiaries of what Christ did, JESUS clearly taught that our salvation hinges on what we do (our “works”), along with what God does ( God’s “grace”)

    { Luke 18: 18-23 }

    ” A certain ruler asked him, “Good Teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?” Jesus said to him, “Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone. You know the commandments: ‘You shall not commit adultery; You shall not murder; You shall not steal; You shall not bear false witness; Honor your father and mother.'” He replied, “I have kept all these since my youth.” When Jesus heard this, he said to him, “There is still one thing lacking. (Jesus is continuing his answer to the question,’What must I do to inherit eternal life?’) sell all that you own and distribute the money to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; then come, follow me.” But when he heard this, he became sad; for he was very rich. Jesus looked at him and said, “how hard it is for those who have wealth to enter the kingdom of God! Indeed, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.” Those who heard it said, “Then who can be saved?” He replied, “What is impossible for mortals is possible for God

    While PAUL clearly taught that we are saved by being passive beneficiaries of what Christ did, JESUS clearly taught that our salvation hinges on what we do (our “works”), along with what God does ( God’s “grace”)

    { Matthew 16: 24-27 & Mark 8: 34-38 }

    ” Then Jesus told his disciples, “if any want to become my followers, let them deny themselves and take up their cross and follow me. for those who want to save their life will lose it, and those who lose their life for my sake will find it. For what will it profit them if they gain the whole world but forfeit their life? Or what will they give in return for their life? “For the Son of Man is to come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will repay everyone for what has been done.

    While PAUL clearly taught that we are saved by being passive beneficiaries of what Christ did, JESUS clearly taught that our salvation hinges on what we do (our “works”), along with what God does ( God’s “grace”)

    { Matthew 19: 16 -29 & Mark 10: 17-31

    ” Then someone came to him and said, “Teacher, what good deed must I do to have eternal life?” And he said to him, “Why do you ask me about what is good? There is only One who is good. if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments.” He said to him, “Which ones?” And Jesus said, “You shall not murder; You shall not commit adultery; You shall not steal; You shall not bear false witness; Honor your father and mother; also, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” The young man said to him, “I have kept all these; what do I still lack?” Jesus said to him, “If you wish to be perfect, (Jesus is still answering the question what good deed must I do to have eternal life?. . . ) go, sell your possessions, and give the money to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; then come, follow me.” When the young man heard this word, he went away grieving, for he had many possessions.
    Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Truly I tell you, it will be hard for a rich person to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.” When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astounded and said, “Then who can be saved?” But Jesus looked at them and said, “For mortals it is impossible, but for God all things are possible.”
    Then Peter said in reply, “Look, we have left everything and followed you. What then will we have?” Jesus said to them, “Truly I tell you, at the renewal of all things, when the Son of Man is seated on the throne of his glory, you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or children or fields, for my name’s sake, will receive a hundredfold, and will inherit eternal life.

    While PAUL clearly taught that we are saved by being passive beneficiaries of what Christ did, JESUS clearly taught that our salvation hinges on what we do (our “works”), along with what God does ( God’s “grace”)

    { Matthew 24: 44 – 51 }

    ” Therefore you also must be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an unexpected hour. “Who then is the faithful and wise slave, whom his master has put in charge of his household, to give the other slaves their allowance of food at the proper time? Blessed is that slave whom his master will find at work when he arrives. Truly I tell you, he will put that one in charge of all his possessions. But if that wicked slave says to himself, ‘My master is delayed,’ and he begins to beat his fellow slaves, and eats and drinks with drunkards, the master of that slave will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour that he does not know. He will cut him in pieces and put him with the hypocrites, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth

    { 1 John 3: 17 – 29 }

    “If someone who is supposed to be a Christian has money enough to live well, and sees a brother in need and won’t help him – how can God’s love be within him? Little children, let us stop just saying we love people; let us really love them, and show it by our actions. Then we will know for sure, by our actions, that we are on God’s side, and our consciences will be clear, even when we stand before the Lord.
    But if we have bad consciences and feel that we have done wrong, the Lord will surely feel it even more, for he knows everything we do. But, dearly loved friends, if our consciences are clear, we can come to the Lord with perfect assurance and trust, and get whatever we ask for because we are obeying him and doing the things that please him. And this is what God says we must do: Believe in the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another. Those who do what God says – they are living with God and he with them. We know this is true because the Holy Spirit he has given us tells us so.”

  35. poohpity says:

    Our salvation is nowhere no how dependent on works but on what Christ did on the Cross, period. In that faith in excepting what Christ did will result in what we do. We can not earn salvation it is a free gift to those who believe.

    The Mormon church believes that salvation has to be earned, Muslims believe salvation has to be earned but those who follow Christ believe that as a result of our faith in what Christ did it will result in us living out that faith or else it was never really believed.

  36. GeeTee says:

    I don’t intend to be an ogre or a party-pooper or anything like that, but I would just like to hear an answer to “What point are you trying to make, or what is it exactly that you’re trying to prove or disprove by your wranglings?” And this would be addressed to R123

  37. shalom says:

    Paul was speaking to philosophical greeks for the most part and identified with them thru a philosophical means of exposing Christ to them.

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