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One for All and…

Last night, went for a long walk and listened along the way  to a podcast of a  Los Angeles Times religion reporter telling NPR’s Dick Gordon how he had been born-again– only to later lose his faith while covering the scandals of the church community. Woke up this  morning to hear the disturbing news that a missing little girl has been found in the suitcase of a Sunday School teacher who has been arrested for her murder.

Happens on the weekend we give special remembrance to the way Jesus fell under, and rose above– the worst of our sins. Feel strangely numbed, unnerved, and yet rescued by the way the greatest evils and goods get so tangled up in one another.

Reminds me of what happened when the high priest of Israel unintentionally predicted the One for All death of his nation’s Messiah. The 11th chapter of John tells us what happened after Jesus raised his friend Lazarus of Bethany from the dead. Many believed. Others ran to the religious elders of Israel to report what had happened (John 11:38-53).

Jerusalem’s religious leaders huddled with Caiaphas their high priest. They thought they had a real problem. Among themselves, they admitted that if they didn’t do something about Jesus, all of the people were going to believe he was their long awaited King. Then the Romans would hear about the ground swell insurrection and crush the rebellion.

At that point Caiaphas made an unintentional prophecy. The Gospel of John sees insight that Caiphas didn’t intend when he expressed his opinion that it would be better for one to die,  than to see their whole nation lost. From that moment forward, the Gospel says that these religious leaders began to plot the death of Jesus.

The irony was that the most evil of all conspiracies would be used by God to save the lives of all who would believe in the one who would die.

The 6th chapter of Romans tells us how the one for all principle works. All who believe in Jesus believe “into” him. By believing in/into him, his death becomes our death. His resurrection becomes our resurrection. There is no greater or more important old or breaking news.

The worst among us can now find forgiveness in the death and resurrection of the best of us. Looking back we now know that because Jesus was God in the flesh, the sacrifice of his death was of infinite and eternal value for us.

What irony. Caiaphas thought it was going to be a regrettable but necessary fact that One was going to have to die so that Israel didn’t lose it’s puppet king (Herod) and limited freedom under the heel of Rome. He didn’t see the good news coming for all who would believe.

And what irony also that the One for All principle of our salvation now gives us such reason to remember how important it is that we now realize the implications of “All for One”. For all of us who have taken refuge in Christ, we all now have the high risk, high opportunity to reflect either favorably or not on the credibility of the one who suffered such terrible evil, to bring us– through his own resurrection– to such inexpressible good.

Note: The pictures are from the courtyard of St Peter’s church, a traditional site for the home of Caiaphas the High Priest (overlooking Kidron Valley and within sight of old city walls). The statue is of Peter being recognized by a young servant girl as one of Jesus’ disciples. Peter uses curses to deny that he ever knew Jesus.

Meanwhile an arrested Jesus is inside being accused and abused by his religious interrogators. Yet Peter continues to deny knowing the one who will, within a few hours, die for him (Peter) and for all of us.

Then Peter hears the rooster crows– and remembers that his Lord had predicted that even the most “courageous” among them– would deny him (Jesus) three times.

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29 Responses to “One for All and…”

  1. mtman says:

    Interesting post on the day before Easter. Religious person committing the most henious of sins and the forgiveness of our risen Lord and Savior. I can’t believe that Sunday school person actually was a committed Christian to have done that. Yes we are forgiven by our Lord when we confess our sins but that doesn’t mean that we are then free to just go out and willingly keep sinning. Seems to me that there should be some effort on our part to not sin. Of course we as humans will sin but to kill a little girl, stuff her in a suitcase, doesn’t seem to be trying to walk that straight and narrow path to heaven. I just don’t understand how a so called committed Christian who loves the Lord could do such a thing. A Sunday school teacher….Barf… Maybe this is what our Lord meant when he warned us about wolves in sheeps clothing. This is about as bad as it gets but what about the adulters in church, those who pay lip service to the Lord or use Him as justification to prey on their neighbors. If I were an unbeliever I don’t see where I would be drawn to Christ when his alledged people are as bad or worse as those who are not believers. Satan is truly hard at work. Maybe this is what it means when we are told many will be drawn away in the final days. I don’t know but I do not understand how a Christian can do such a horrible deed. My heart goes out to this little girls family and all Christian’s and non Christian who are effected by this. And just before Easter. I just couldn’t find any compassion or forgiveness for this man. Maybe one day but clearly not now.

  2. mtman says:

    Additional thought, he should consider himself lucky that I am not on his jury…

  3. poohpity says:

    It does look really bad for our side doesn’t it. It also seems that when a Christian does something horrible it is the foremost thing to get publicized. I totally understand what you are saying mtman about how can one identify themselves with Christ and do something like that. There are many times I say that about a lot that is happening in our churches today, “I do not understand”.

    I would like to share something good that happened yesterday morning to my son. I would like to first give background info and I will try and make it short. I was going to by my son a car last fall but my mother was in financial straights so my son told me, “mom I can do without the car so you can use that money to help grandma” so that is what I did.

    There has been several male Christian mentors that God has placed in my son’s lives and this is just one of the stories. My son Sean worked with this coach at his high school who also goes to our church he coaches the woman’s basketball team which my son was his assistant but they have known each other for several years. Long story short yesterday the coach called Sean and asked him to get a dollar, pen and wear something blue. Sean had no clue what it was about but got together the things that the coach wanted but we had trouble with the dollar finally I found some change and then he waited for the coach this was about 8:30 am. At 9:30 the coach showed up with a file folder in his hand and told my son I would like to give you that blue car in the parking lot but we need to take the pen and dollar to get the title notarized.

    Sean and I looked at each other and started to cry and just could not believe that he was now the proud owner of a 1995 Toyota Camry on Good Friday. We both thanked God and the coach, what a surprise.

    I have to tell you I have been after my son to get a job needless to say I have become a horrible dripping faucet (nag) trying to push him into providing for himself. The coach told him now you have to leave the car sit until you can afford to pay your insurance. Talk about reading my mind. God has a plan and how he teaches us usually results in us also realizing we are loved and not forgotten. My son after spending the day cleaning the already clean car said, “I have to get a job as soon as possible because I want to drive my car soooooo bad” forget food, drive the car. Whatever works is good by me.

    God takes horrible things and turns them into beautiful things. God did that in my life and that is the good news that we are remembering this weekend. If we are open to God’s leading He will use us to bring beauty into another’s life.

  4. poohpity says:

    buy not by LOL

  5. mtman says:

    Pooh: You post a very good story just before Easter. How fortunate you are to have a wonderful son who was willing to give up his car so you could help your mom. There are just more blessings there that can be accurately counted. And what a reward to get a car and the impetus to get a job. I’ll bet God will provide that too. Thanks for sharing. That inspired me for sure.
    With the child murderer and the fellow who fell away due to all the bad things that happen in the Christian community it is very sad and something I don’t like to look at on this dark day before Easter. But then we are in the world aren’t we. What better time for Satan to try to distract from what we celebrate tomorrow. I guess that explains why most folks put more faith in a rabbit that leaves colorful eggs than our risen Lord.

  6. sitsathisfeet says:

    I thought ODB was so interesting today, a description of the middle day in the ressurection, the dark day of the crucifixtion has passed, but the risen day of our Lord has not yet come. It is a DAY OF WAITING, MOURNING AND REFLECTION. Much like the little girl’s family feels I’m sure. I pray for the family, friends and church may God come in and do a mighty work of comfort, healing and restoration. May the Lord be shown truthfully for who He is a God of compassion, mercy and Love, and not the sinful person that took the little girl’s life. Jesus said the Sanhedrin and Caiphias would be judged for their rejection of Christ. He further said the men of Ninevah, would stand and pronounce judgement on them, and that even Sodom and Gomorrah would be judged less than them. Today’s event just show how much we need a Savior today, as we did then. Man is sinful, and apart from Christ we can do no good. The only sinless man was Jesus, who bore our sin so that we could be saved from ourselves. Thank you Jesus for coming to this earth as a man, bearing the weight of our sins, and restoring to us a right and everlasting relationship with our Holy God. Amen

  7. laney says:

    The story of the 28 year old grand daughter of a pastor that killed an eight year old just makes me sick to my stomach.Here this precious little girl trusted this sunday school teacher and look what happened to her.Satan definately is looking for whom he can devour.What a shame the destruction this has caused for everyone involved.We need to lift up in prayer the pastor,the family of the little girl, and the people that go to this church.But most of all the woman that commited this terrible crime. Matthew 18:6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which beleive in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck,and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.We were just discussing a couple of days ago on this site about loving and forgiving our enemies.Only by Gods grace and help can anyone do that in situtations like this.

  8. diamonds says:

    What a sweet spirit you have! Love you, sister! Happy Resurrection Day to all!

  9. laney says:

    Sitathisfeet, Ijust love your thought provoking description of the risen day of Lord.A day of waiting,mouring, and reflection.How appropriate a description.I want to comment on the reporter who lost his faith.He is another one who needs our prayers.Satan has always gone after Gods children.The picture of Peter in the court yard is the perfect example.The Lord prayed for Peter because he knew that satan would sift him like wheat.That example of prayer is the perfect reminder to us to constantly keep the Body of Christ in prayer. Pooh, your story of your son is a great encouragement to us today.How blessed you are to have such a kind, loving and unselvish son.A son who apparently loves his Grandmother so much.I can just bet Jesus has a great reward waiting for him in heaven.Your godly influence in your sons life is showing.You shall know them by their fruits.

  10. Filosopher36 says:

    Resurrection gives hope to us all. It means that as Jesus bore our sin on the cross (and even suffering for it beforehand) and overcame the death that results from it, so too may we overcome our own death and sin by belief in Him and ultimately God. The joy resulting from that and rapture coming upon His return, is a promise resulting from the New Convenant, through Jesus, with God. Selah!

  11. GeeTee says:

    Greetings all. Another good BTA(of course), thank you Mart. I read with interest the sisters’ account of her sons’ willingness to sacrifice something that was important to him so that his grandmother could be cared for, and incidents like this always reinforce my faith in the goodness that we’ve all been blessed by God with. There are times when an unregenerated soul may do something noble or good, but I’m pretty sure the motive for the action would not be the same as Sean’s was. The Father knows our heart, and what a joy it is to hear that His blessing showered on the boys’ life right soon. Always encouraging to hear of someone that’s willing to give. The few words concerning the child that was murdered and the accused are somewhat discouraging, but wholly understandable. In cases like this our humanity always leaps to the forefront and we can be very harsh and critical(when will this part of us ever go away?), even to the point of bitterness and wishing something dreadful on the accused. Admittedly, the fact that the woman was a Sunday school teacher seems to drag the fair Name by which we are called through the muck, but in the same breath it goes to show that all that outward appearance that someone would try and present to conceal an evil heart can only provide camoflage for so long. And the world is quick to pounce on every little thing that Christians(so-called in this case) do. But since when has THAT changed? I would extend a prayer for all involved that equity and justice be done. The Lord Jesus Christ died once for all, and that includes everybody. The life that He rose from the dead to give us is only given to those who would call upon His Name and receive the gift, though. What blessing. What joy. What peace. What love. What promise. What hope. Wow!!! That the righteousness of the Lord Jesus would be imputed to me by faith is beyong my earthly comprehension, but the fact that the transaction has taken place is demonstration of His great love for us. We don’t always walk and talk as though we possess that righteousness, but we’re assured by the Word of God that He sees it differently than we do. I trust that. That being said…thank you Jesus. Thank you Lord. I Tim 4:10 I Jn 2:2 GT

  12. mtman says:

    Maybe I’m off base here but I had good friends in Fla. who had their teenage daughter walking home from school, pulled out in a field, raped, beaten to death with her own flute. She was a very beautiful girl. The priest of our church went to them immediately and told them they needed to forgive who ever did that for their own well being. My friend chased that priest out of his house. I think it is easier to be forgiving when that little girl didn’t belong to you or someone close to you. That little girl trusted her sunday school teacher and was killed because of it. If you have never been through a tragedy like that it is hard to explain but forgivness doesn’t come quick or easy. It may come one day – maybe. You have lost something precious to you and if it were me Jesus would have to do the forgiving because it would take a while for me to get there. I’m not the kind of Christian that while the gun is still smoking forgive the person. I don’t hate them but what has been done is horrible and the consequences are just as bad. We live in a fallen world.

  13. Mart De Haan says:

    Have been concerned all day that my intent in this post not be misunderstood. Didn’t for a minute mean to take lightly the terrible crimes I alluded to. In this world justice needs to be pressed with all due urgency and process.

    In addition, the way I read the Testaments, forgiveness is not due the unrepentant heart. That doesn’t mean that we are justified in nursing bitter contempt, evil for evil, or an obsession to somehow get even. Paul taught us that vengeance belongs to God, and Jesus taught us to love our enemies (i.e. seek their good (i.e. changed heart) rather than their eternal judgment and separation from God.

    It is beautiful to see God’s people return good for evil. But implying that grieving families need to forgive those unrepentant persons who have killed their loved ones seems entirely contrary to the appropriate application of justice, mercy, or love.

    Again, while I understand how unbecoming bitterness is, I don’t read the Scripture as asking us to forgive the unrepentant– nor, if they repent, enabling them to escape due process of law.

    The intent of the post was to look beyond the evils of others to the One who bore the weight of all of our own sin for us.

  14. Rick123 says:

    It’s very sad what happened to the little girl, but evil things have been going on in Christ’s Church since Paul’s days(1Cr 5:1 It is reported commonly [that there is] fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father’s wife.(Incent)

    All kinds of crimes have been going on in the Church of Christ, past, present, and future. Like when Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession, And kept back [part] of the price, his wife also being privy [to it], God gave them death for lying to him and for believing what satan had put in their heart.

    So we better be careful whom we are obeying, remember what happened to Eve, she believed and obeyed what satan had told her, satan first put doubt(A lie) in her heart( And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?)

    Satan’s fiery dart was already in Eve’s heart and it( Deceived through doubt) was giving birth to sin, so when satan said(And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die), Eve obeyed and believed satan at his word and she sinned and was found in “transgression”(She went over God’s spoken word, which word was a commandment, so she broke God’s divine law>>Rev 11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament>> As did satan, who went over God’s spoken word, when he sinned against the Most High, who was his Father and God>>1Jo 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil….Jhn 8:44 Ye are of [your] father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it….Jhn 10:10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have [it] more abundantly.

    So the devil sinneth from the beginning, and He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, what truth was in the beginning? well, according to scripture there was a moral code in heaven,(Rev 15:5 And after that I looked, and, behold, the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened…Rev 11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament) and there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.(When satan speaks he does not speak in behalf of God’s word, but he speaks from his twisted and lying heart, and ever since, he has been misleading the fallen angels and mankind to go against God’s divine moral code(Ten-Commandments) which are engraved in man’s Ten-Fingers who was created in his likeness and Image before Adam’s sin.

  15. kaliko88 says:

    It is times like this, which is pretty much every day with each horrible headline I see, that I am sure that the easiest way to tell a true Christian is to see what they’re looking at. If they’re just looking at each other and comparing themselves, or are overly concerned with how they appear, they’re not very real. But if they’re looking at Jesus …

    Too many people base their decision to follow or not on how others who claim to be followers behave. They don’t really consider the importance of looking at and understanding The One they are to follow. And when they give their faith because of what others do, they are really giving up on Jesus. They seem to assume that because Jesus didn’t do anything in those people that there’s no point. They forget what He did for them.

    I’ve told people this who have asked me about my faith. I can only tell them why I decided to believe. But they cannot look at me for any kind of final answer. Hopefully what they will see is my looking at Jesus and reflecting Him, or when I mess up, turning back to Him again and again. They need to look at Jesus. No matter what happens around us, you will never be ashamed of Him. And when others fall, remind them, gently, to look to Jesus.

    And while I can understand why that priest encouraged forgiveness, I don’t agree with how he did it. It’s true we are not required to forgive the unrepentent, but we can pray for them, and their family who are also hurting. Maybe in time, forgiveness can come. Forgiveness, I have learned from bitter experience, is as much about absolution for the one who hurt us as it is about our letting go of hate and pain, which only really hurts us. It would be hard to forgive, but I have heard stories where it did happen. And I can’t help but remember that Jesus did just that while he was dying. Maybe we can’t forgive like that, but I think it still means that eventually, in time, we should.

    *sigh* Every headline turns into a prayer.

  16. gr8grannyjacobs says:

    Maybe I have the wrong view but the way I deal with the tragedy’s of life is by knowing in the end God will make everything right. There will be justice for all who have been hurt in this life and full understanding. I know the pain of loss and injustice but bitterness doesn’t help anyone. It has taken me many years to develop or rather for God to develop this attitude in my heart but I have a peace I can’t explain in a world I don’t understand.

    kaliko 88 Every headline turns into a prayer. I so agree with you.

  17. Laurielee says:

    Pooh, what a wonderful thing to happen! I’m very happy for you!

    Regarding the story of the Sunday School teacher…This is a very tragic thing, both for the family of the little girl (AND the family of the teacher), but also for the church. I think that when something bad happens that involves a church member, the media is all too eager to point out that this person is a “Christian”. When something good happens, in many cases, that involves a Christian, it tends to get downplayed. Not long ago, two men caught a small child who fell from a third story apartment window. In one or two sources (Christian) that I read, it mentioned how one of the men was coming from a Bible-study on another floor. Other news sources shied away from much mention of that. There are many, such as the man Mr. Mart mentioned in his story, that use the excuse of Christians who do bad things to steer clear of Christianity. The thing is, no one will come to the Father who is not drawn. We have to remember Who is in control. Regardless of what happens in this world, God is still in control. Perhaps we should welcome persecution, as historically, this has always made the church grow? Just my thoughts…

    Happy Resurrection Day!!! He is Risen, indeed!!!

  18. cherielyn says:

    Hi Everyone,

    Got my laptop back last night. After 12 days away for repairs I sure have a lot of catching up to do on what I missed.

    Tried to post this morning, but after clicking submit, got a server error or something. After trying several times, for over an hour & experiencing the same results – not being able to open BTA, had to give up to go get groceries.

    Regarding the last two paragraphs of the blog in which Peter’s denial of Christ is mentioned, it brought to mind our pastor’s sermon, last Sunday, which was on John 18:15-27. The pastor stated that many think that ‘another disciple’ (18:15) refers to John himself. As many times as I have read this passage, I never gave much thought to the identity of who the ‘other’ disciple was, but on Sunday, reading John 18:15 got me thinking about it. I’m not so sure that I agree that John was the ‘other’ disciple (in this passage). After doing some research, I came to a different opinion/conclusion. Before I share what my conclusion is, I wonder if anyone else has any thoughts on this.

    John 18:15 (KJV) “And Simon Peter followed Jesus, and so did another disciple: that disciple was known unto the high priest, and went in with Jesus into the palace of the high priest.”

    It feels so good to return to this special FAMILY!

  19. Laurielee says:

    Cherielyn, are you by any chance thinking it was Judas? Just a wild guess…I could see how someone might think it would be him wanting to see the results of what he set in motion, though after what he’d done I hesitate to think that he’d again be in the vicinity of any of the disciples. I guess I’d just always thought that the ‘other’ disciple was John…as this same usage is used elsewhere. Just my humble opinion. Curious as to who you think it is, though! Love your take on things!!!
    This blog always makes me exercise by brain!

    The rooster picture reminded me of something…when I was at Caiaphas’ house in Jerusalem, I was up on the stone balcony looking over the edge…and down at the bottom, there were roosters! Real ones. There is also a long stone set of stairs in the hillside…my companions thought I was a bit odd, as I took off my sandals and went to the bottom and climbed up. Also, beneath the house is a stone dungeon. They took us down to the room in which Jesus was traditionally held. Our guide was reading a psalms while we were down there and the weight seemed so heavy that I could not stand. I am SO thankful that, though we are not worthy, Jesus sacrificed Himself for us!!!

  20. cherielyn says:


    That was a quick response. Thanks! Didn’t think anyone would respond anymore this evening.

    I’m copying & pasting the email I sent to my pastor on this subject. Sorry, it is quite lengthy and being so, I am providing Bible references, but not the actual verses here. It is as follows:

    “Pastor, A thought crossed my mind, during your sermon on Sunday, about who the ‘other’ disciple might have been. You said you thought it was John, but I’m not so sure & have my own opinion on this. Want to share my thoughts with you and see what you think.

    1. Judas went to the chief priests to covenant to betray Jesus: Matthew 26:14-16; Mark 14:10-11; Luke 22:3-6

    2. Jesus and the disciples are in the garden. Along comes Judas and a band of men and officers, etc. Judas betrays Jesus with a kiss: Matthew 26:47-49; Mark 14:43-45; Luke 22:47-48

    3. Jesus arrested & taken away to Caiaphas the high priest and questioned: Matthew 26:57-68; Mark 14:53-65; Luke 22:54; John 18:12-14

    4. Peter denies Jesus: Matthew 26:69-75; Mark 14:66-72; Luke 22:54-62; John 18:15-27

    John 18:15 states: “And Simon Peter followed Jesus, and so did another disciple: that disciple was known unto the high priest, and went in with Jesus into the palace
    of the high priest.”

    I think Judas was the ‘other’ disciple. My reasons are as follows:

    Simon Peter and ANOTHER disciple (only 2 of the 12 disciples).

    The ‘other’ disciple was KNOWN to the high priest.

    Judas would have been KNOWN BY THE HIGH PRIEST because Judas had gone to him, previously, to covenant to betray Jesus.

    Peter stood outside while Judas went in, alone. John 18:16

    Try to imagine that while Judas was alone with the high priest, he whispered to him that Peter, who was outside, was one of Jesus’ disciples, ultimately betraying him just as he did Jesus.

    Given the circumstances, do you think that any of the other disciples would have done this?

    Judas then leaves and, as he does, tells the damsel at the door that Peter is one of the disciples and Peter is brought in. John 18:16

    Thus begins Peter’s denial of Jesus.

    The next morning (Matthew 27:1) AFTER Peter has denied Jesus, Judas has remorse about his betrayal of Jesus, returns the 30 pieces of silver and hangs himself (Matthew 27:3-6)

    I’m thinking that John was so overwhelmed with grief by the fact that one of Jesus’ own disciples would betray Him that he could not bear to mention Judas’ name and
    therefore referred to him as “another disciple.”

    Am I off-base here? Would appreciate input.”

    My pastor’s response to my email is as follows:
    “Cheryl, I think you are right on! I didn’t think through those passages well enough as you did in connecting them to Judas. I will let the others know in light of what you discovered. Good job. Have a great afternoon. Pastor”


  21. Laurielee says:

    Wow! You’ve really put thought into this, haven’t you? I’ll certainly be giving this some thought…

  22. daisymarygoldr says:

    “One for all and…” is an excellent post and after a long arduous wait… I’m relieved that at least for once you stopped navel-gazing at your disillusionment to actually lift up Christ and what He has achieved for us in order to restore us back to God! And you are 100% right that “There is no greater or more important old or breaking news”.

    So Mart, that walk has done wonders for you…hope you take it more often…in fact walks with our spouses or maybe even just being outdoors with our children can be very therapeutic… it heals all kinds of conflicts and revives our minds from the messiest, entangled issues of life!

    The gruesome news involving the Sunday school teacher is heart-wrenching. It was not much different even back then when it was the most gruesome act of a chosen disciple named Judas who for 30 pieces of silver betrayed the Son of God… right after an intimate fellowship of the last Passover meal! The Bible says… each and every disciple had deserted Him on that fateful night which led to His crucifixion…and honestly in my personal walk with Christ there have been times when I could relate to Judas’ betrayal or the disciples’ desertion or to Peter’s denial.

    It is so true that “the most evil of all conspiracies would be used by God to save the lives of all who would believe in the one who would die” and be it cruel conspiracies, wicked betrayal or sinful denial… nothing was able to stop Jesus from accomplishing the will of God— His Heavenly Father.

    Yes, Jesus tasted death for everyone but that is not the end of the story. He is the firstborn who was perfected through sufferings so that through Him God may bring many children into glory. Therefore, I do not see it as “… high risk, high opportunity” rather it is a divine requirement…that in order to be conformed to the image of the Son we endure earthly sufferings to eventually be resurrected…to enjoy eternal joys with Him forever!

  23. daisymarygoldr says:

    poohpity, it was encouraging to read your story!

    Rick123: yesterday at church the message centered on the “cup of wrath”. The Pastor talked linked the 7 plagues of Egypt and the 7 plagues in Rev 15 &16… reserved in God’s cup of wrath for those who do not believe. It was very beautiful when he said that Jesus drank of the cup and was subjected to the sufferings of those 7 plagues on the cross … that culminated with the triumphant cry “It is finished” or “it is done” Rev 16:17. I was reminded of what you had shared in the last post about that cup which only Jesus could drink…

    It has become habitual for me to read Steve’s comments immediately following Mart’s post. I am missing you, Steve…hope you did not get offended by my “Passion of The Christ” comment. It was not meant for you or for anyone else… just a general thought encouraging us to always remember the sufferings of Christ. Steve, please don’t take this personally and do come back to tell us about the critters and the snow and the robins…it is just not the same without you and I do love you and Glenna and Matt:)!

  24. Rick123 says:

    daisymarygoldr: Praise God in the highest, for a good message given by your pastor.

    O yes! the Lamb is worthy to be exalted with his Father for the great sacrifice he took upon himself for our sins, we should be very thankful to our heavenly Father for giving us his only Son to take our place(Wrath of God)

    To me, Jesus is my ALL, and without Him I’m nothing, so when the Father looks at me, he is looking at his Son-Jesus in me.

    And if the Father sees not Jesus in us, he will say through his Son-Jesus(And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding() garment? And he was speechless. Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth (Matthew 22:12-13)…The lord of that servant shall come in a day(It could be sudden death) when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of, And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites:(Turned his back on Jesus) there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth (Matthew 24:50-51)…For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath. And cast ye the unprofitable servant(There goes OSAS>>) into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth (Matthew 25:29-30)…But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity(Lawlessness). There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out (Luke 13:27-28)…The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend(That do evil), and them which do iniquity(Lawlessness), And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth (Matthew 13:41-42)…So shall it be at the end of the world(Age): the angels shall come forth, and sever( to separate) the wicked from among the just, And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth (Matthew 13:49-50).

    Phl 2:12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

  25. OGramps says:

    Dear Friends,

    I don’t want to make light of that horrible crime, because I hate to hear anytime innocence suffers at the hands of evil. But we do need to remeber a couple of things.

    First, God hates all sin and does not see one sin as greater thatn the other, as evidenced by the account of King Saul when reminded that the sin of rebellion is as the sin of whichcraft.

    Second, any one of us is capable of the same sin. A friend once sent me an email. It was kind of a funny story but there was a lot of truth to it. The bottom line was that within us is two dogs that are constantly fighting. The one that wins is the one you feed. I’m afraid that any believer who feeds that carnal nature becomes easy prey for sin.

    “be sober, be vigilant, for your adversary, the devil, prowls about like a roaring lion seeking whom he may devouer.”

    God Bless all on this Resurrection morning!

  26. BruceC says:

    Have a blessed Easter my brothers and sisters in Christ!

    Gramps made a very good point. All sin is the same in the eyes of God. A person who sits down in a restuarant and steals the tip from the people before him is no better than Bernie Madoff. We really don’t have the capacity as God does to see sin for what it is. We like to put “degrees” in there just to make ourselves feel better; when all the while we are just as responsible for the death of Christ as everyone else.
    When my wife told me about the little girl I wasn’t shocked. Hard to shock someone who was cop so long.
    Look at what has happened over the years involving those claiming to be Christians(and I am not saying who was or wasn’t-only God truly sees the heart). Jimmy Swaggart, Jim and Tammy Baker. the pedophile priests, and Jim Jones. Remember him? He started out as a minister. How about God’s chosen people sacrificing their infants upon the searing arms of an idol? Satan loves to attack anything having to do with Christ. It’s his favorite tactic. And it’s not going to get any better. Pray for strength my church family. The Body of Christ is being assailed on all fronts and it will not improve.
    This woman will go through our justice system and God will be the ultimate judge of all. Pray for her family and if you can do so; for her also. False prophets and believers will diguise themselves just as satan does as an angel of light. Put on the whole armor of God. Satan’s deception is all around us.
    All this reminds me once again of what Corrie Ten Boom said: “There is no pit so deep, that He is not deeper still.” She was confronted once by a guard at the Nazi camp where her sister died years later and asked for forgiveness. Even being a Christian most of her life she said it the hardest thing to do; but she did it.
    May God help, strengthen, and be with us all during these dark days. But let us never loose sight of His glorious grace and what He has done for us on the cross and from the empty tomb.

    God Bless!

  27. laney says:

    Cherielyn,Thanks for sharing on the other disciple.I to have read that passage,and never gave it much thought.That is what is so beauitful about Gods word there is always something new for us to see.What I have always thought about when I read about Peters denial and,Judas betrayal.I can’t help wonder why when both were given the opportunity to return to Jesus for forgiveness that Peter did but Judas chose not to. Brucec,I want to comment on Jimmy Swaggart.I know you were not condeming him, or judging him.He has repented for what he has done,and God is using him mightily.But because of his conduct it has cost him so much.That is a scarlet letter That he has had to bare.Whenever his name is mentioned someone either casually brings it up or else the other side of the coin is there are people that are down right mean. Just last sunday I had to call there ministry to let them know that some one posted an evil and vulgar video of him on there web.I guess where I’am going with this is that we suffer for our mistakes.The body of Christ also suffers for the sins that we commit.But Thank God Jesus took care of all that for us on the cross.Some day he will wipe all our tears away.Some one comment on here that they could feel Gods presence on this site.I agree.I was drawn to it right away.

  28. poohpity says:


    I just wanted to give you something else to think about with “the other disciple”. It seems that John in his Gospel always refers to himself in the third person and everyone else calls by name.

    If I had just betrayed someone and realized what I had done was wrong I would not be around for them to see me especially not understanding the forgiveness of Christ. I would be hiding and in great torment especially with the mental anguish Judas would have been experiencing. I would have been hiding in my room considering my behavior before I returned the blood money to the priests. Just my thoughts.

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