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A Prediction and Cover-up

One of the most compelling prophecies of the Bible is found in Daniel 9:24-26. There the prophet predicts that from the time of the command to rebuild Jerusalem (after Israel’s exile in Babylon) 69 “sevens” would pass before the Messiah came and was “cut off, but not for himself.”

Then Daniel says that the city (Jerusalem) and the sanctuary (temple) will be destroyed.

Even the roughest calculations show that, if the 69 “sevens” are years, then from the command of the Persian king Cyrus in around 445 BC, 483 years (69 x7) would put the coming of Messiah, and his death (“cut off but not for himself”) in the time frame of Jesus.

40 years later (70 AD) Jerusalem and the temple were destroyed by the Romans. (Picture is of model of Jerusalem and first century Temple on grounds of the Israel Museum).

Daniel’s predictions were so amazing that for a long time doubtful scholars claimed that his prophecy must have been faked after the fact of Jesus life. But the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls showed otherwise.

So why don’t more people know about Daniel’s prophecy? There seem to be a couple of reasons. One is that there are two dimensions to Daniel’s prophecy. One is chronological. The other is “eschatological” (dealing with futuristic end time scenarios). Since the doctrine of the end times is very controversial, whether there are yet to be fulfilled dimensions of Daniel’s prophecy is fiercely debated among Christian “camps”. Many therefore see Daniel’s prophecy as being very difficult and subject to much controversy.

But the “prophetic arguments” are no reason to ignore the huge issue of whether, by Daniel’s calculations, Messiah had to arrive within the period of Jesus’ life, and before the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD.

There is, however, another reason why Daniel’s prophecy has not gotten more attention. I found it recently while reading Dr. Floyd Jones “Chronology of the Old Testament”. After dealing with the powerful chronological aspects of Daniel’s prediction, and even the fact that by this chronology, Israel was given 40 years to accept Jesus as their Messiah before Jerusalem and the temple were destroyed, Jones calls attention to an apparent cover-up (or huge mistake) by Rabbinic scholars.

In an Appendix titled “Why Jewish Dating is Different”, Jones deals with the fact that since the second century, the “Book of the Order of the world” (Seder Olam Rabbah) has ignored 165 years of history. He concludes that the reason for this discrepancy was to alter the Jewish national chronology so as to make Daniel’s prediction point to the second century Simon Bar Kokhba rather than to Jesus of Nazareth. (Wikipedia has a good summary of Simon Bar Kokhba who was recognized by some in his day as the Messiah)

Jones supports his conclusion by quoting a present day Jewish scholar who expresses amazement that “saintly men of truth… left out completely from our annals a period of 165 years and to correct all data and historic tables in such a fashion that the subsequent chronological gap could escape being noticed by countless generations”… (Simon Schwab, “Comparative Jewish Chronology”).

Seems to me that Daniel’s prophecy regarding the time of the appearance and death of the Messiah is too important for us not to be aware of.

To see more about Daniel’s prophecy, you can find our Discovery Series booklet, The Daniel Papers, online at this link.

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49 Responses to “A Prediction and Cover-up”

  1. BruceC says:

    I love reading about Bible prophecy and the various views on it; some being rather odd. The other day on a Christian network a man that studies Bible prophecy said that there is no prophecy left to fulfill before the rapture could take place. These are frightening(for the world) and exciting times to be in. And yet they are very sad times too. I believe he’s right. The Lord could call us home any minute. And I can’t wait!!!
    It also amazes me that some people hated Christ so much that they may changed an entire calendar to try to “cover Him up.” That’s pretty desperate.

  2. SFDBWV says:

    Like BruceC, I like to read of prophesy. I have always had a great intrest in the Book of Daniel. Like Mart mentioned above, teachers at Seminaries taught that the book of Daniel must have been written after Jesus. Because the predictions were “too” acurate. Right down to the day. Shows you what kind of faith thoes men had.

    With Daniel being so acurate about Jesus, we need to pay close attention of what Daniel says about the end times events. It would stand to reason if one is acurate so is the other.

    People have said since the beginning that we are living in the end of the age, but according to all scholars of eschatology we are now as Bruce mentioned, at a point where all prophesy has been fullfilled and the next event will be the events mentioned by Daniel as the last 7 years of the age of man…

    The rapture of the Church will occur prior to these events.

  3. SFDBWV says:

    Like a lot of us, when I was emerginng as a young thinker. I got pulled into reading books about “wierdness”. ESP,ghosts,ufos,paranormal activity of all sorts.
    To my utter amazement as the world of the Bible opened up itself to me I discovered, that there was a treasure of “real” supernatural activities all recorded there to be discovered.
    No better Book than Daniel. Invisable hands writing on a wall, dream interpetations, future events told all too chilling and exciting.

    If there are any readers of the supernatural out there I recomend the “real” Supernatural experiance of the story of man and his Creator, and Saviour….The Bible


  4. mtman says:

    I think that many have attempted to cover up our Lord over the years. Rewriting history or tweeking it is not new at all. We used to be in the Episcopal church and I recall a priest one time trying to explain the miracles that Jesus did were not miracles at all. It was foolish but he sure presented it like the miracles were all coincidence from a position of absolute authority. After all he pointed out he had been to seminary. It occured to me then as well as now that you either believe or you don’t. That is why I guess I am so down on seminaries and divinity schools. They seem to tear your belief down and then rebuild it in what they consider right. I don’t think it is always right. I remember that another Priest in Ohio was deeply into New Age, which leads you to the point you can be equal to God. All to cover up who the messiah really is. That was recently which is why we are no longer affiliated with the Episcopal Church. I gave a talk one time to other Christian men about who the Lord was to me and afterward a Priest came to me and said he had never had that image before and thanked me for revealing the Lord to him. I wondered how he had gotten through seminary without finding the Lord and how can he minister to his flock without knowing the Lord. Oh well, enough examples because I could go on much longer.
    Trying to cover up is nothing new and it still goes on today. Whether we are in the end times or not I do not know and I’m glad that so many are interested in studying that aspect. It just is not for me though. I hope however when ever that time is that when the Lord does come, and he will, that he finds me doing His work. I’m ready when he is ready and I agree the sooner the better.
    Others have thought they knew when the end times were at hand and ended up looking foolish. They will come when they come and until they do I’m hoping I can do what I can to lead others to the Lord and hold on to my trust and faith in the meantime.

  5. mtman says:

    I just re-read my post and I should also have said that I’m not implying anyone on this blog is saying when the end times are coming. Not at all. None of us know and in the meantime we will just have to put up with the pretenders deceivers and those who cover up.

  6. ttl7praz says:

    The limited understanding of my finite mind has led me to conclude that the “end times” actually began when Jesus left this earth and I believe the reason why it seems that natural disasters and senseless killings are happening at an alarming rate is because the devil knows that he is running out of time. Nevertheless, we as Christ’ followers are to hold on to promises that Jesus made prior to His departure…the promise to never leave or forsake us…the promise of His peace that surpasses all understanding…the promise to prepare a place for us when we depart from this one…these are the promises that will sustain us through all the sadness, pain and heartache that we experience almost daily. These are the things we are to focus on and try to share with others in an attempt to save them from the imminent complete feeling of hopelessness that will surely encompass all who choose not to believe. This is the one thing that we can be absolutely certain could happen, will happen and when it does happen it will be in the worst possible way! Let us continue to read our bibles, meditate on His word and pray for strength for each other because although most of us would like to think that we are infallible, let’s be realistic…we are human and carry all the flaws which come with being human (yes, including fear), we know that without God nothing is possible and with God, nothing is impossible!

  7. poohpity says:

    If people are always trying to prove the bible wrong they must have believed it was true in the first place. :-)

  8. pegramsdell says:

    It’s true that unbelievers are blind, just as we were. It is the Holy Spirit that draws us to Himself. And as He draws us we can see Him (The Light).
    We can also take authority over the darkness, to prevent him from stealing (Godly) seed planted in an unbelieving heart.
    Some plant, some water and God increases!
    Because faith as small as a mustard seed is all they need. And He gave us that much faith anyway.

  9. laney says:

    Steve love your comment about any readers of the supernatural out there read the bible.Mtman a friend of mine was talling me about pastor in our area that dosen’t even beleive in the bible.It is so sad and makes me wonder what condition his church is in.I quess its just another one of the signs of his coming.People will have itching ears they won’t endure sound doctrine.Seven major prophetic signs of the second coming.1 Israel will be in the land Ezekiel 36:24-37:21 2 Jerusalem will be in Jewish hand Luke21:24 3 A moslem coalition armed and led by Russia will attack the Holy Land Ezek 38:2-6 4 The ancient Roman empire will Re-Emerge as a political force Rev 17:9-10 5 The world will embrace a single religion Rev13:8 6 the world will accept a single government.Rev13:3 7 Babylon will Re-Emerge as a prominent city in world affairs.Rev 18:2-3 Others signs you will hear of wars and rumors of wars.The increase of natural disasters.The love of many will grow cold.Scoffers in the last day saying where is his coming.That is the part that touched home for me.I have been for the last 2 or 3 years Talking about end times to my unsaved daughter.Trying to tell her That Jesus will be returning soon.She said to me ma you have been telling me that for a long time now.All you have to do now is turn on your tv set and its on the news all the time.They even talk about a one world order.It can at times get frightenig but I know the Lord will give me strength to endure wahtever I have to.Though we are in the world we are not of the world.We don’t belong here. We are citizens of heaven. Jesus words in Rev 22:20 Surley I come quickly.

  10. pegramsdell says:

    Steve, I remember the first time I read Revelation. I was freaking out. It was like a supernatural type movie.

  11. GeeTee says:

    Always a blessing and a pleasure to read the days’ BTA, and todays’ is no exception. Thanks Mart. Having studied Holy Scripture for years and having read a multitude of opinions and comments and all that stuff that would try the author’s hardest to stir up the slightest little smidgen of question or doubt in what has been given to us, it comes down to something like this for me: Am I going to let myself be duped by some person that presents themself as a bonafide authority on precisely what the Scripture says, or what is meant by whatever it is they’re trying to get me to question? Or would it be a better policy for me to be a true Berean and test these things against the Word of God to find out if it be true? I realize and know that there are Orthodox Jew rabbis and scholars that devote their entire life to studying Torah and Talmud and the Writings(OT) and would go to the ends of the world to discredit the prophesies concerning Jesus of Nazareth and anything Christian…after all, the god of this world and his legions have been working 8 days a week since the fall,and it’s their purpose and goal to confound, confuse, thwart, or distract anyone and everything that exalts the Lord Jesus Christ. If that ‘old deceiver’ can get us as the body of Christ to shift our focus for even a moment to anything other than Jesus, he’s got a toenail in the door. To continually fill an unbelieving world with discrepancies(so-called) that seem to be in the Bible, in whatever manner he can come up with, and his job is done. We’re good enough at all those wild ideas and imaginations on our own, and with a bit of a push from some commentator or scholar our faith can suffer shipwreck in a moment. It might not sink us, but we can get tossed on the rocks right quick. IF we fail to exercise the discernment we’ve been blessed with and a healthy appetite for God’s Word. I would be(am) suspect of anyone that’s not a born again child of God and their capacity to understand Holy Scripture. ICor 2:14-16
    With a jillion articles about this that and the other on the net it’s all too easy to overload, and I find myself following links to different sites that can come across fundamentally sound to begin with, and a few paragraphs or pages in I’ll have the old alarm go off and I’m like, “wait a minute, this ain’t right” and it’s off I go. As adopted sons and daughters of the Living God and joint-heirs with Christ let’s not be tossed around by every little thing that mentions the name “God”. Good policy and practice. GT

  12. cherielyn says:

    Because of some of the other comments here I would like to share an experience my dad had. In the last 10 years of his working career, he had a job as a maintenance engineer at a Catholic facility.

    While in the course of his duties he had contact with an elderly priest a number of times and had the opportunity to witness to him during many of those occasions.

    Later on the priest became ill and was near the end of his life. He called for my dad and began asking in depth spiritual questions. The priest admitted to my dad that he had never read through the Bible and confessed that the things that my dad had previously shared with him were things he had never heard before.

    Prior to the priest’s death, my dad had the wonderful opportunity of leading him to a saving knowledge of Christ.

  13. mjday11 says:

    I have had a question on prophecy for some time and this might be the time and place to ask it.

    I have heard somewhere that before the end times come, the Temple will be rebuilt on the temple mount. I haven’t been able to find such a statement in the Bible. Is this true and, if so, where is it stated?

  14. mtman says:

    Cherielyn: Your story is wonderful and it triggered a long ago memory I have of a similar situation. Very similar to your dad’s. This elderly priest was a cover up artist but thank God that your dad led him to the Lord before it was to late.
    About 35 years ago the Catholic church had a program called marriage encounter. Some friends gave my now ex-wife and I a weekend. (It didn’t work for us apparently) One of the spiritual advisors was a retired Catholic priest. He was recovering from a major stroke that left half his body badly paralized. Without any collaboration several of us helped him with his food, feeding him and helping him get around. At the end of the weekend everyone shared how the weekend impacted them. While the priests don’t apparently share, this one did. With tears rolling down his cheeks he confessed he had spent his entire priesthood not knowing the Lord. He said that this weekend and those attendee’s who tended to his needs showed him the Christ that he had never known. He expressed sincere regret for not knowing the Lord until he was no longer able to function as a priest. He told how he had ministered to his flock as if he really knew the Lord. It was one of the most pitiful things I have ever been witness to.
    Thank you for sharing that story because it brought back a long ago memory. It is pretty apparent that some Christian leaders do a good job of covering up. I think it puts a period on what TeeGee and others posted, which are all most appropriate.

  15. Laurielee says:

    Cherielyn & mtman, Thank you for sharing those stories! Several years ago, my daughter went to a Christian college to be a christian counselor; she told me she quit because in order to do the job to the best of her ability as a Christian, she had to say that she accepted teachings that she didn’t. She even told me that there were many men there that were going into the ministry because it paid well. Unfortunately, I think there are those who go into the ministry for reasons other than “being called.” I think this also points us to a growing issue we have today of those who are teaching other than the whole truth of the Gospel or “what itching ears want to hear.” It’s getting harder to find those that will teach the whole truth for fear of being outcast. We are finding more who are wishy-washy in their teachings. Recently, there’s been a pastor, who most have heard of because of books he’s written and his publicity in the recent presidential election, who has backed down on stands he had originally taken. There also seems to be a growing number of denominations who only teach the “love one another” part of Jesus’ teachings to the exclusion of His other teachings…as in we must be accepting of what everyone does, whether right or wrong, because to say anything against particular behaviors is “judging.” Many don’t like to hear that “All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting, and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.” 2Tim 3:16,17 I think the time is not too far away in which people who adhere to Biblical truth will be charged with “hate speech”…AND there will be “Christians” who agree. The Bible even says that there will be a time in which evil is called good, and good called evil. Another sign of the “times”?

  16. laney says:

    Mjday11 In 11 Thessalonians 2:4 Who opposes and exalts him self above all that is called God or that is worshipped so that he as God siits in the temple of God showing himself that he is God. The antichrist makes a peace deal with Israel.Then some time after the peace deal he goes in the temple and wants to be worshipped as God I think they call it the abomination of desolation.I have read that they already everything they need for the temple.Every year they try to set the cornerstone for the temple but the moslems stop them.I heard that they have all the priestly garments made.The priest are all trained.They even have the red hefier for the sacrifices. All the stones for the temple have beencut and ready waiting to go.I heard they even had to cut the stones by hand.The only thing stopping them is the mosque sitting where they want to build.The antichrist will probably set it up for them to build there.I don’t know how and don’t care and won;t be here to find out I;ll be gone in the rapture praise God.

  17. laney says:

    Laurielee, the pastor you were referring to that wrote the books and his publicity in the presidential election dosent beleive in the virgin birth.I think I read that he also dosen’t beleive in the millienum.He beleives that he and others can create peace on earth.If he went back and read his bible he would know that there will never be peace untilJesus comes back.He is also a member of the council on foreign relations.They want to have a one world government and one world religion.He is leading many astray.Isn’t there a scripture about deceving even the elect if possible. Then like you said you have the others who wont even confront sin its all love or else prosperity messages.There aren’t to many pastors on the christian television that I will even watch anymore.

  18. laney says:

    Claudia, thanks for sharing about the crucifixion of Jesus being Friday april 1 ad 33.I never knew that.I agree about the sacrifices being a denial of Jesus.The Jewish people are still looking for there Messiah.He won’t come back until they say Baruch Haba be’shem Adonai.Blessed his he who comes in the name of the Lord.Matthew 23:39 For I say unto you,you shall not see me henceforth,till you say blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.When they cry out to him then his feet will touch the mount of olvies and shall mourn him who they have cruicified

  19. laney says:

    I ment to say and they shall mourn him.And I spelled olives wrong.I’m tried I,m going to bed.Good night everyone.

  20. Rick123 says:

    “Cover up,” a verse comes to mind, Mat 10:33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

    In this verse Jesus is saying that whosoever denies him before men, he will deny him before his Father, throughout the ages, rabbis have been denying his Messiahship as have unbelievers.

    In today’s Christian society we can see all the lawlessness that is going on in Christ’s body, their very works denying the Cross of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, they are in bed with the world, and fornicating against their husband.(Hbr 13:4 Marriage [is] honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge…Rev 2:21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not…22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds…23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.)

    Rev 3:17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:

    Luk 16:13 No servant can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

    Phl 3:18 (For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, [that they are] the enemies of the cross of Christ:

    19 Whose end [is] destruction, whose God [is their] belly, and [whose] glory [is] in their shame, who mind earthly things.)
    Mar 10:21 Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest:(Love) go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.

    Luk 12:21 So [is] he that layeth up treasure for himself, and is not rich toward God.

    Luk 12:34 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

    Jam 1:27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, [and] to keep himself unspotted from the world.

  21. Rick123 says:

    “Prediction” what comes to mind, is Ezekiel chapters 40-48.

    “Describe the temple to the house of Israel, that they may be ashamed of their iniquities; and let them measure the pattern. And if they are ashamed of all that they have done, make known to them the design of the temple and its arrangement, its exits and its entrances, its entire design and all its ordinances, all its forms and all its laws. Write it down in their sight, so that they may keep its whole design and all its ordinances, and perform them.” (Ezekiel 43:10-11)…The prophet Ezekiel (Ezekiel 40-48) describes in great detail a temple in Israel that is much too large to fit on the present Temple Mount site, And the third temple can’t have an outer court according to Revelation 11:1,2. therefore most Bible scholars believe there will one day exist in the Holy Land a Fourth or “Millennial” Temple.

    Mat 17:2 And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun,(Sun of righteousness-The bright and morning Star) and his raiment was white as the light.

    When the “Shekinah Glory”(Jesus) returns to the Ezekiel temple from the east(Sun of righteousness-The bright and morning Star), he will be enthroned between the cherubims, the Ark of the Covenant, His footstool, in the Most Holy Place, in Jerusalem, from Israel, his eternal Resting Place.(Eze 43:7 And he said unto me, Son of man, the place of my throne, and the place of the soles of my feet, where I will dwell in the midst of the children of Israel for ever, and my holy name, shall the house of Israel no more defile, [neither] they, nor their kings, by their whoredom, nor by the carcases of their kings in their high places.)

    As it is written: the temple laws will be restituted at Christ’s return to our world, did you know that during the millennium there will be animal sacrifice reinstated? I believe that we don’t fully understand the millennium and sacrifices will be a part of life, for whatever reason God intends. I believe it is explained in scripture for us.

  22. BruceC says:

    I am putting together a lesson I am going to teach at church on deception. Deception in our flesh, the world, from Satan, and in the Church. When I started listing Scripture references I came up with eighteen pages of verses that I compiled on Microsoft Word. It really expanded my view of the topic and just how far-reaching the effects are. And I know there are even more than that; but I have tokeep it to 30-45 minutes.
    We have to very careful about what is going on in the church today.

  23. laney says:

    Rick123, I also heard there would be a fourth temple.During the millennium we would be celebrating the feasts and festivals. and that there would be animal sacrifices.I cannot understand why there would be animal sacrifices again when we have Jesus there living amongst us.I’am also an animal lover and the thought of all those litte lambs being slaughtered again bothers me.I will just have to wait until then to understand it all.

  24. laney says:

    BruceC, I wish I could be at your church when you teach about deception.It should be really interesting.

  25. laney says:

    MTMAN and Cherielyn, I wanted to comment about the stories you told about the catholic priests.I was brought up catholic.Its good to hear that some are getting out of that cult. I find them the hardest to wittness to.I even try to explain to them about the churches teaching on purgatory and the mass cards for the dead.If we could pray people into heaven then Jesus died in vain.All they tell me is you have your religion I have mine. I remember years ago going into the catholic church up the street from where I lived.I sat down looked around at all the statues and stained glass windows then I looked up to heaven and asked Jesus is this all I can know about you until I get to heaven.The rest is history.He showed me that I can have a loving and beauitful relationship with him now.I did’t have to wait.

  26. Laurielee says:

    laney, I do SO understand where you’re coming from, not liking the sacrificial process… but have you ever thought about when Joshua and his men conquered the kings and villages in the Promised Land? The Lord told them to destroy every living thing…people and animals. I’m beginning to understand, though in a very elementary fashion, why the Father said that. The people worshipped idols and if they were spared, would have taught the Israelites to do the same things. It’s a bit of a telling correlation in our society today in the U.S….we tend to feel sorry for those who lead immoral lifestyles and pass laws to protect them saying that it won’t affect us, when in fact it may not immediately do so, but breaks down those set boundaries and pushes them further and further away, so that we accept more and more. Then the schools, in turn, and society in general, have to not only punish those that disagree with the new morality, but teach it to our children.

  27. trustvhf says:

    I thank the Lord Jesus Christ for you Mart.
    Is Daniel talking about Christ’s Triumphal entry on Palm Sunday in Daniel 9?

    If so, what is the date of Palm Sunday?
    is it, AD 32, April 6 or other year like AD 33?
    I am confused by different years because I have been
    informed that Christ was born in BC 4-5 and he was about
    33 years old when he was crucified.

    If AD 33 was his death, then he would be born BC 1?
    If AD 32————–, he would be born in BC 2?

    So, please clarify.

    In Christ,


  28. Rick123 says:

    laney: It is a memorial to remind us of the great sacrifice of Jesus.

    When these animal sacrifices are reinstated during the time of the millennial kingdom, these sacrifices would look backward, in a retrospective and instructive way, commemorating an already accomplished salvation. They would not remove sins any more than the sacrifices in Old Testament times removed sins, but they would remind believers and instruct unbelievers of the cost of redemption from sin.

    It is important to notice, however, that in Hebrews 10 the author is not saying that there can never be animal sacrifices in the future. The thrust of his argument is that animal sacrifices could never take away sin! The animal sacrifices of the Old Testament period pointed forward, prophetically portraying the sacrifice of the Lamb of God.

    During the millennial kingdom, the Church and the Old Testament saints will reign with Christ in their sinless new bodies, but there will be human beings with sinful human natures living on the earth at that time as well. Some of these people will be believers, but some will be unbelievers. Every person coming out of the Tribulation and entering the Millennium will be a believer, but not all those who are born during the 1000 years of the kingdom will become believers. Because sin will be present, the Lord will need to “rule with a rod of iron” during the Millennium.(Isa 65:20 There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner [being] an hundred years old shall be accursed…Zec 14:16 And it shall come to pass, [that] every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles. 17 And it shall be, [that] whoso will not come up of [all] the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain. 18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that [have] no [rain]; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles. 19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

    In Zec 14:16-19, throughout these verses God will use his “rod of iron” to rule and administer his divine judgment upon unbelievers>>No rain, have no rain, plague, smite, punishment, all this adds up to God sending no rain to the people who will not obey his “word” and suffer for their disobedience.

    Remember ancient Israel, how Christ was in their midst, and did great wonders among them and still they rebelled against him, he gave them up to the sword, for their evil works, so in the millennial kingdom, there will be people like unto ancient Israel who rebelled against Christ(Isa 65:20…but the sinner [being] an hundred years old shall be accursed…..<<<This time frame is in the millennial kingdom, when the sinner will not repent of his sins and be saved.)

    I wonder, why would not people in the millennial kingdom, fear God, seeing that the Pillar of fire and cloud will be seen on top of the Ezekiel temple, from within the holiest to the sky.

  29. mjday11 says:

    Laney and Claudia, thanks for your help on the rebuilding of the Temple. And to you Mart, for providing the opportunity. It’s been another fascinating discussion.

  30. laney says:

    Rick123 Thankyou for trying to explain to me about the animal sacrifices.I know they can’t take away sin.My only thought was if we have Jesus what better reminder than that.All we have to do is look at his nail scar hands.Can a saint that has already gone through the rapture end up in the millennium kingdom turning there back on Jesus and end up sinning? So in other words this new kingdom will pretty much be the way earth is now.The only difference is Jesus will bring swift judgement upon the people.I can’t imagine having to live a thousand years with sin in the world again.

  31. laney says:

    Rick123, I read over what you wrote on the millennium again.The part that you wrote aboutthe pillar of fire and cloud will be seen on top of Ezekiel temple from within the holiest to the sky.Does that mean that in the millennium we won’t see Jesus in a body he will only be like back in the old testament a pillar of fire and a cloud.I’m sorry I’m getting a little confused on this subject.

  32. BruceC says:

    From what I have read on Revelation; along with reading it for myself, I believe Christ will visibly rule and not just be represented by a pillar of fire or a cloud. Also many think that animal sacrifice will take place again to show people who are yet to be born what price Christ paid and point to Him. We will have glorified bodies when He returns and rule under and with Him. He will rule the nations with an iron rod in perfect righteousness. Those left to populate the earth will be those who survived the persecution against the tribulation saints; as everyone with the mark of the beast will be destroyed. And yes, satan will be loosed at the end of 1,000 years to go out and deceive the nations and come against Christ. (Not the smartest idea) This is the epitome of fleshly rebellon against God.

  33. daisymarygoldr says:

    Claudia, I greatly enjoy all your posts and must emphasize that you know more than me… and I really do mean it. I must make it clear, that I have no authority or expertise… but have a healthy appetite for God’s word… just like you and everybody else here. This is indeed a very fascinating discussion and I agree with what most have said about the millennial sacrifices…

    Ezekiel’s prophecy about the temple is only for the house of Israel (Eze 40:4).

    We must keep in mind that Israel is still waiting for her Messiah because the first time she did not recognize Jesus. Although, some like Simeon and the disciples did see and recognize Jesus as their Messiah most of Israel was made blind… not forever but until the full number of Gentiles comes to Christ.

    Post-rapture, through the tribulation God will deal with Israel … when their blindness will be removed… this time they will recognize and believe in Jesus and will be martyred. Those who escape the tribulation will continue to live and multiply in their promised land.

    During the millennium, Jesus Christ will be physically present in Jerusalem and as rick123 mentioned, God’s literal presence will exist in the temple. The Jews always require a sign… when the rituals will be re-instituted Jesus will personally teach them to show how He had indeed fulfilled every requirement of the Law by His death, burial and resurrection… and so all believing Israel will be saved. The unbelieving gentiles will also go up to Jerusalem to make sacrifices. Ultimately, all of mankind will see and acknowledge the salvation that God has provided!

    Meanwhile, we the Church will not participate in the animal sacrifices during the millennial reign of Christ. So, we do not have to worry about slaughtering innocent doves and little lambs:) BTW, Christ is the lamb of God that was slained since the foundation of the world

    We are the spiritual temple of the living God… The church is the house of God (1 Tim. 3:15). For us, the sacrifices in Ezekiel are already fulfilled in Christ. We, the redeemed body along with Christ the head will be on the throne. We will also continue to remember and celebrate the death, burial and resurrection of Christ … to break bread i.e. to eat bread and drink the fruit of the vine along with Jesus… at His table in His kingdom. (Luke 22: 30)! Just my thoughts…

  34. laney says:

    I want to thank everyone who helped answer my questions about the millennium.DaisyMaryGold I understood your explation perfectly.Thanks so much.Claudia is right about your knowledge.I’am learning so much from you and everyone else on BTA.May God bless you all for your time,thoughts caring and love you put into BTA.

  35. daisymarygoldr says:

    Laney, its not just you but it’s the same with all of us…Prophetic info is very difficult to understand… we can understand them fully only after the event actually occurs. For ex. the OT prophets who prophesied about salvation never quite understood what time, person or situation the Spirit within them was talking about (1 Peter 1: 11)

    …and what about the Jewish leaders and teachers in the NT? Although, they had complete knowledge of the prophecies of the Messiah, yet they could neither understand nor recognize the signs of the times of His visitation… even when Jesus actually lived among them.
    The disciples understood it only after the event- Christ’s death, burial and resurrection occurred. They did have the revelation of the Spirit regarding Christ… but they realized it fully only after His resurrection.

    Today, we also understand and see how every single prediction about the Messiah was fulfilled in Jesus Christ. However, we will never really understand the exact circumstances and time of Christ’s second coming … until after the event occurs.

  36. daisymarygoldr says:

    Prediction …it is not for believers to know the times. Setting the dates and times is solely God’s business (Acts 1:7). So, why didn’t God reveal the exact date and time of prophetic events in advance? …because He wants us to live by faith and not by our sight fixed onto some specific dates on our calendar… because “The just shall live by faith, not by prophetic insight” (Hab 2:4) hence, I’m not really concerned about cover-ups.

    Why then did God mention time in prophecy? … Because He foretold about actual events to occur in the world of man… not in some obscure point in the timeless eternity of God. Human intellect cannot calculate the calendar of God. His timing is certainly not our timing, yet it is the perfect timing. If we depend on mathematical calculations for predicting the precision of prophetic fulfillment… then it will certainly cause us disappointment or disillusionment and in extreme cases… it will even cause us to fall away from faith.

    So, how should we apply prophecy of end times? By faith we simply hold fast to the witness of Jesus… because the witness of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy (Rev 19:10). When we see the signs of time, we know that His coming is very near. We remain alert… ready and prepared like the wise virgins lest the day of the Lord should surprise us like a thief. Knowing the future events should inspire us to live a Godly life… to obey and do what He has told us to do…to encourage others to not get engrossed in this world or fall asleep… to continue to trust God… and not lose hope of our better future.

    Most importantly it should remind us of God’s covenant love. When we read in the Bible that not one of the prophecies failed in fulfillment… it reveals the character of God …that He is faithful…not one word of His ever fails and He always keeps His promise. He will surely keep His promise to come back… to take us all to live with Him forever…and that is exactly what Bible prophecy is all about… God communicating His love for us since the beginning of the world… through the prophets of old… and in these last days through His beloved Son! Is there anything else for us to know…other than Jesus Christ and Him crucified?

  37. Rick123 says:

    laney: When Jesus was sent by the Father to set Ancient Israel free from the bondage of Egypt, in that time frame, he was at his Father’s right hand as the Angel of his presence, and the Father said, Exd 3:8 And I am(The Father came down through Jesus to deliver Ancient Israel) come down to deliver them out of the hand of the Egyptians….

    The One who dwelt between the cherbims in the Most Holy Place within the nation of ancient Israel was the person of Jesus in his glorified state, as a spiritual being, full of the light and the glory of his Father.

    The glory from the person of Jesus radiated from within his very being as a literal sun, but he covered himself with a pillar of fire by night, and as a pillar of cloud by day, in the same way, when he is ruling over the nations, the pillar of fire will be seen way high in the sky, so will the pillar of cloud.

    We will see Jesus in his resurrected glorified body, the body of flesh and blood that did not see corruption, but was glorified by the Glory of his Father when he resurrected him.

    Remember doubting Thomas, who said, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe.

    And Jesus appeared in the midst of them, like an angel appears from thin air, and said unto Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust [it] into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.

    Zec 13:6 And [one] shall say unto him, What [are] these wounds in thine hands? Then he shall answer, [Those] with which I was wounded [in] the house of my friends.(Time frame, in God’s coming world(Age), but in his first coming they(house of my friends) rejected Him)

    So Jesus in his resurrected glorified body is more beautiful then when he was dwelling with ancient Israel between the cherubims, why? because, when he was in his glorified state as the Angel of the LORD, he was liken unto the holy angels and his Father, that is to say, a Spirit body, with no bones nor flesh, but now in his resurrected glorified body, which is of the flesh and bones of Adam, and of the power of the Spirit of his Father who begot him.

    So the crown of glory that Adam lost by his disobedience, Jesus took back the crown of glory by his obedience to the Father.

    We can see in scripture that Jesus in his resurrected glorified body ate food and drank, which reminds me of the marriage supper of the Lamb, in which he(Jesus) will eat and drink with us in the kingdom of his Father(Mat 26:29 But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father’s kingdom.)…Totally awesome!!! Look, we will be like unto Jesus’s resurrected glorified body>>>Phl 3:21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.

  38. Rick123 says:

    I forgot a verse(Mat 13:43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.)

    We will have Christ’s glory in us, and we will shine(Radiate) like the Sun as Jesus shines and radiates like the Sun(the righteous shine forth as the sun)

  39. laney says:

    DaisyMaryGold,You are so right about never really understanding the events until after they occur.I never really thought of it that way.Thanks for the insight.I totally agree there is nothing else we need to know except Jesus Christ and him crucified.

  40. laney says:

    Rick123 Thanksfor explaining about Gods glory.I’ve read Matthew 13:43 before and I never realized that it meant that we will radiate like the sun as Jesus shines and radiates like the sun.Wow I can’t even imagine it.God is so good to us.I would like to learn more about the marriage supper of the Lamb.All I know is that we will be at the marriage supper when the tribulation is going on down here on earth.I know that we will get or loose rewards for our deeds done on earth.Is that part of the marriage supper or is that separate and something else entirely different.Is the marriage supper an actual dinner with communion with Jesus?

  41. laney says:

    Oh Claudia, What can I say,you brought tears to my eyes.I can just feel the love that radiates from you for everyone here.I to feel Gods presence so strong here.Twice today When I got off the computer I had to go and put on some praise and worship music and spent some time with my Lord.

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