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What’s Happening Here?

Oh no. I remember my sense of alarm when I heard someone talk about the New Testament discrepancy between two different accounts of Jesus feeding thousands with a few pieces of bread and fish.

Then I discovered something else. Both accounts were described in the Gospel of Matthew  in two consecutive chapters, with a summary to follow. (That  eliminates the issue of discrepancy since Matthew is intentionally describing two similar but separate incidents).

The first is recorded in Matthew 14. The second in Matthew 15. The summary of both in Matthew 16.

In Matthew 14 we read about 5000 hungry men, in addition to women and children, that Jesus fed with 5 loaves and two fish.

In Matthew 15 there is a similar situation. Crowds clamoring after Jesus are in danger of fainting for lack of food.  Water doesn’t seem to be a problem, probably because they were following Jesus along the lake shore of Galilee. This time there are 4000 men, besides women and children who are down to 7 loaves of bread and a few small fish.

When Jesus tells his disciples he doesn’t want to send the crowds away to get food for fear that they will collapse along the way, his disciples say, “Where could we get enough bread in the wilderness to fill such a great multitude?” (15:33).

Seems like such a strange question to be asked by disciples who had already seen Jesus feed 5000+ with a few ” crumbs and minnows”.

Then in the very next chapter Matthew tells us that, in yet another  situation, the disciples once again find themselves without bread, even for themselves. This time Jesus warns them about the leaven of the religious leaders. They reason among themselves that he must be concerned about their failure to bring food. And the Lord says,

“O you of little faith, why do you reason among yourselves because you have brought no bread? 9 “Do you not yet understand, or remember the five loaves of the five thousand and how many baskets you took up? 10 “Nor the seven loaves of the four thousand and how many large baskets you took up? 11 “How is it you do not understand that I did not speak to you concerning bread? — but to beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees.” (16:8-11)

Now this is really something. Matthew obviously isn’t seeing a discrepancy. He’s describing separate, similar,  loosely related incidents.

So now, I’m wondering… How could the disciples who had just seen Jesus feed thousands act like they don’t know where the food is going to come from the next time they are faced with the same problem?

What do you think we are supposed to take from this?

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38 Responses to “What’s Happening Here?”

  1. SFDBWV says:

    I don’t understand what discrepancy is present. All throughout conversations between Jesus and the Disciples, they tend to be confused.

    it is not until the Holy Spirit is given that these same men finally have clarity on spiritual matters. Even when bluntly ask who they thought He was, only Peter answered and Jesus said it was the Holy Spirit who spoke through him.

    Remember the same people who saw the Red Sea part, walked accross it on dry land. Watched as God placed a pillar of fire between them and Pharoh’s army; who had witnessed all the plagues placed upon Egypt and not upon them; these same people doubted God’s concern for them right away.

    We are all the same, happy when God gives, wonder where he is as soon as the next problem arrises.

    This one ain’t tough.


  2. cor13agape says:

    Hello everyone:

    Mart I looked forward each month when your monthly “ I been Thinking” would be published. Was not to excited at first when you changed it to a Blog other then I didn’t have to wait a new month for a new soul searching article.

    However over time I have come to love and pray for many who blog on here. There are times that I truly disagreed with what others say. There are also times when I got frustrated because the response had nothing to do with issue at hand.

    My faith is not as strong as I would love, yet my love for our Savior is. I grieve when I see God’s people attack each other.

    MART: you quoted one of my favorite verses “ as Irons sharpens Iron so one man sharpens the other.” Years ago I believe God brought this idea to mind about this verse. When Iron rubs against each other you will get sparks. This is good, because the sparks show that the attended purpose is being met.

    I still go back to my favorite Chapter in the Bible, 1 Cor. 13 2If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing.

    Over the years I inserted the word Christ for love, because Christ is Love. No matter how much I disagree with someone, not matter how much someone offended me, it all comes down do I love them with love Christ had on the Cross. “ Farther forgive them for they know not what they do”

    I also think of Job who question God, and his friends who thought they had the answers, we know the out come of that. If you don’t might I suggest your read Job.

    No I am not to in anyway water down my belief, in the one truly.

    Yet if I see this blog in the right perspective it was ment for,that is helping us to think, to make sure it’s God we are looking to and not leaning on my own understanding, and like the Pharisees who were so far off the mark they led so many with them,” Not willing to come to knowledge of the truth” this passage I believe not only speaks of the lost, but those who know Christ, yet like the Pharisees, overtime may be leading on their own understanding.

    Sorry know this is long but on last thought.

    We are to love God with all our heart, and our neighbor as our self. John 3:17 states That Jesus did not come to condemn the world but to save it. He did not come to judge, what right do I have. We are to reach the lost in His name, not mine, we are to fellowship and encourage one another and all the more still He comes. I have said for years, the best way to get someone to change is for them see Christ light in me. Not my likes, dislikes or interruptions oh His Word, no it must be His Light that shines through me. Sorry to say I fall way short of that.

    Please my friends in Christ, love each other, this does not mean we have to agree with each other, and why do we have to be the one convincing man of his wrongs, would it not be best if I was in prayer and saw the power of God change a person. This would so much humble me and remind me HE does the work, and ensure that when one believes it’s a true conversion.

    Agape and Blessings

  3. cor13agape says:

    I am sorry my last post was suppose to be on yesterdays talk. So So Sorry. no revalnce here.

  4. paulruppert says:

    The point I am seeing here is that we all worry about trivial things thoughout our lives, when we should seek and look for the deep picture Jesus was painting here. He says it in other parts of the Bible, and also in the old testiment, we should not worry about what we will wear, eat or drink. And for those who make a big deal on the difference of counts here are most trivial in themselves and the lives they lead. I mean no down grade to those who worry about minimal things, but the whole task of Jesue on this earth was to “save our souls”. That it, and that should be our main concern and forget trivial numbers, anyway want to know the actual numbers, ask Jesus when you see Him in the here after. Thanks Paul Ruppert

  5. sdoniger says:

    Someone explained the feeding of the masses to me like this: together everyone pulled out what they had and it was enough for all. Not to diminish the power of Jesus to meet all our needs. I just liked the idea of together anything is possible. We need each other. I need you. Jesus has opened my eyes and the Holy Spirit has filled my heart. All the ups and downs are trivial to his sacrifice and I am truly grateful.

  6. Laurielee says:

    I’m wondering if the reason the disciples fretted is because they saw the feeding of thousands as a one-time event that could not be duplicated.

    As rdrcomp talked about the disciples worrying about the physical matters, isn’t that what most of us do? We say that we trust G-d to meet our needs, but when food and money get short, we worry.

    There have been many amazing things that have happened in my lifetime that, when I’ve told even believers, they tend to just dismiss as “coincidence”. I know better.

    I truly believe that (again borrowing from rdrcomp) we must “Seek first the kingdom of G-d and all these things will be added as well.”

    I’ve been thinking that, in this and the past few subjects, if we truly love the Lord our G-d with all our heart, soul, mind, and strength, He will lead us in the path we should take.

  7. pegramsdell says:

    Maybe the reason people forget what God just did, is they listen when the devil tells them that it wasn’t a really a miracle. The bible clearly says that Jesus fed the crowds. I have not doubt of that. He is God and more than capable of performing miracles. He is more than capable of taking care of me and all of my needs. I need not ever worry, if I believe.

  8. rokdude5 says:

    We do forget how faithful God is to His people. Abraham’s wife, Sarah laughed when she heard at the age of 90 she is going to be pregnant (which beats the current news about a 66 year old lady being pregnant). The Israelites forgot how God was their Provider when they were in the desert and today’s discussion of feeding thousands with a handful of fish and bread.

    True to form for God, He can create something out of nothing. No one else can do that. We, as His kids, need to learn to depend on Him for everything and have the faith to do so. Granted, we need to do what we have the means to do but ultimately the dependence is on God – not on ourselves or others.

  9. OGramps says:

    Hi Mart,

    Like SFDBWV I don’t see a discrepancy in the passages. the way I read them it was two seperate occaisions within 3 days.

    I am amazed that people can forget something so momentous as the feedings on two occaisions. But then I wonder if God’s intent is to demonstrate that even believers don’t “get it” sometimes.

    Just my thoughts.

    God Bless,

  10. Mart De Haan says:

    I agree there is no discrepancy. My point (not clearly stated) was that the claim that there was a discrepancy sounded more threatening until I discovered that Matthew described both accounts within two chapters– while showing them to be two distinct events in chapter 16.

    So, with that information I wanted to ask the question what can we learn from the way these two events unfold, and the disciples’ apparent short-term memory?

    As for the quick change of subjects. I explain that in a comment on the last post. Probably was a mistake since, the discussion from you all started out so well.

    Don’t know how to change back now without damaging the flow on this one. I’ll try to learn from my mistake.

    PS just adapted the post to clarify that the mention within the same Gospel shows that there is no discrepancy since Matthew is intentionally and clearly describing two similar but separate incidents.

  11. daisymarygoldr says:

    As humans we are all of “little faith” … and do suffer with short-term memory to keep forgetting the miraculous provisions of God… However I’m thinking that Jesus’ emphasis in this passage is not on their memory but on the leaven of the Pharisees… and I could be wrong…

    Obviously the disciples missed the point that Jesus was referring to bread … not for the physical body but for the spiritual body. God’s Truth— The word of God is the “daily bread” and Jesus is telling the disciples to “Beware of the leaven of the Pharisees— which is hypocrisy” (Luke 12:1)

    The scribes and the Pharisees claimed to observe the Law but did not walk according to the law…they walked according to the traditions of men… hence their righteousness was not considered as righteousness and so Jesus called them hypocrites. Hypocrites are “men of words and not of deeds” they “honor me with their lips; but their hearts are far from me”. James exhorts us to not just be mere readers but also doers of the Word.

    Hypocrites are men pleasers… who make an outward show and pretense of their religion… to do good charitable deeds… in their desire to be admired by people (Matt 6:1)… the Bible warns us to be aware of this false religion taught by false teachers. Jesus condemns it in Luke 6:26 “Woe to you when all men speak well of you, for their fathers used to treat the false prophets in the same way”. False teachers deceive God’s flock with sweet lies that are pleasant to the ear… to avoid offending people they do not speak the truth.

    Lest this offends anyone here, this is how the above passage applies to me… sometimes in my religious zeal I also behave like the Pharisees. In the days of Jesus, the Pharisees were “Law only”… which is half the truth. Today in Christ we are “Grace only” which is also half the truth. This is how The Message translates the lament of Jeremiah in Ch 9:

    “Everyone’s after the dishonest dollar, little people and big people alike. Prophets and priests and everyone in between twist words and doctor truth. My people are broken—shattered! —and they put on Band-Aids, Saying, ‘It’s not so bad. You’ll be just fine.’ But things are not ‘just fine’!”

    However God is good and thankfully we still have the help of the Holy Spirit to listen and respond to His call of grace: “Go stand at the crossroads and look around. Ask for directions to the old road, The tried-and-true road. Then take it. Discover the right route for your souls”

  12. wretch-like-me says:

    I am not surprized by the reaction of the disciples despite the rapid succession of two events. As a matter of fact, throughout scripture we have this common thread of people having ‘short term memory loss’.

    I have always marvelled at the Israelites having exited Egypt after all the signs and plagues only to revert to paganism building a ‘golden calf’. Then I am reminded of how quickly I forget the intimate involvement God has had and continues to have in my own existence.

    I believe with all my heart that all of us could do with a frequent ‘reality check’. Do I believe that GOD is responsible for my next heartbeat… my next breath?

    If He is, why cant I trust him for my next meal or my next ‘whatever’? Certainly HE IS ALMIGHTY!!!

    What happens to my faith when HE asks me to Step Out in Faith?

  13. poohpity says:

    I believe that each time the disciples looked at each other to figure out what to do in these instances. Then Jesus pointed them back to Himself for the provision. It seems even from the OT lessons of God always being the provider but from history the people looked to themselves and their ability rather than putting everything in the hands of God. Jesus blessed the food then gave it to the disciples to pass out. So to me it means we are given from God and then we distribute what God has given to us.

  14. su says:


    i like your summary. you are so much more concise than i! one additional note, since we have given our lives to God, then He can also distribute us … hopefully, we are willing to be so, as He allows

    on a personal note, that is where i question myself probably the most and seek to remain in Him as much as it is my part to work this out …


  15. kaliko88 says:

    It reminds me of how I used to view the bible and God’s teachings, how confused and sometimes angry it made me. And then of how I see it now after having come to belief, been baptized and had the Holy Spirit shared with me. Even being surrounded by people who understood and tried to show me, I grew more confused. Now, little by little I understand more. So it’s no longer quite such a surprise when others don’t understand when I try to explain it to them.

    It also reminds me that even now, I have a very big problem with my memory and ability to trust. I can hardly be surprised at how the apostles could act that way when I still do. Which is probably why it’s such a noticeable lesson in the bible.

    Don’t worry, be happy, let Jesus?

  16. SFDBWV says:

    Mart, I want to again thank you for all you do for us all. There is no blog without your efforts.

    I always thought of the leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees as being like the yeast that was put in the bread dough.

    First it is a small bacteria that germinates within the dough (heart). Then as it grows it swells the bread dough (ego) with gas or air. Untill the bread is all puffed up and full of nothing by air.

    Hence the leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees, men all puffed up with their own ego and full of nothing but air. Prancing about in their loud colorfull attire looking very holy, yet being anything but holy.

    So Jesus warns the Disciples and us to beware of such men.


  17. daisymarygoldr says:

    Bob/rdrcomp, I’m all with you on salvation by “grace alone”. Paul had to confront the “leaven” of false teaching by the Jewish Christians who rely on the Law and brag about keeping the right relationship with God. Paul also rebuked false teaching of non- Jewish Christians who used Grace as a license to sin.

    As followers of Christ we obey the Law not out of a fear of divine judgment, but rather because we are compelled by our love for God, His commands are not burdensome (1 John 5:3).

    God’s free gift of grace not only forgives us when we break the law and sin (1 John 3:4)… so there is no need for us to shudder. It is the devil who again accuses us of our failures to keep us from enjoying God’s abundant grace. God’s grace also teaches us to change our ways to live… not for ourselves but to live only for Him… so Bob you are absolutely right about “change”

    “For the grace of God that brings salvation… teaches us to say “No” to ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright and Godly lives in this present age… Jesus Christ, who gave Himself for us to redeem us from all wickedness and to purify for Himself a people that are… eager to do what is good. (Titus 2:11-14). Bob, these are my thoughts on “grace alone” and I could be wrong…

    Steve/SFDBWV, You are right leaven is yeast. Yeast is a fungus… not bacteria:)

  18. Rick123 says:

    “Beware of the doctrine of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.”

    They were slaves of their way of thinking in that they built fences around their ideology which superseded God’s word.

    I believe the modern day Pharisees and Sadducees could be defined as the denominal Churches of our day. I wonder how deeply rooted are many professing Christians? Jesus had many following him for the loaves and the fishes. People get serious about God when they are in need just like people during Jesus time. (God is the last resort)The Pharisees and Sadducees had enough religion to make them miserable much like the denominational people of today.

    There is no wonder that Jesus warned against the leaven of the Pharisee’s and the Sadducee’s. Jesus taught the people to beware of their doctrines, they taught that you must be as we are, see as we see, believe as we believe. This is the very teaching of many modern day denominations, you must fit our molds to become a child of God. Jesus said, Whosoever will let him come unto me, yet today’s Pharisee’s and Sadducee’s are saying not so. You must be born again as we teach, you must be filled with the Holy Ghost the way we teach, you must be baptized with our baptism. What ever happened to taking up the cross and following Jesus? Matthew 16: 6, Then Jesus said unto them, Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisee’s and of the Sadducee’s. Verses 11-12, How is it that ye do not understand that I spake it not to you concerning bread, that ye should beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees? Then understood they how that he bade them not beware of the leaven of bread, but of the doctrine of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.

    There is useful counsel here for all who profess to love the Lord Jesus
    Christ in sincerity. It tells us loudly that the most eminent servants
    of Christ are not beyond the need of warnings, and ought to be always on
    their guard. It shows us plainly that the holiest of believers ought to
    walk humbly with his God, and to watch and pray so that he won’t fall
    into temptation, and be overtaken with sin. None is so holy, that he
    can’t fall–not ultimately, not hopelessly, but to his own discomfort, to
    the scandal of the Church, and to the triumph of the world, none is so
    strong that he cannot for a time be overcome. Chosen as believers are by
    God the Father, justified as they are by the blood and righteousness of
    Jesus Christ, sanctified as they are by the Holy Spirit–believers are
    still only men, they are still in the body, and still in the world. They
    are ever near temptation, they are ever liable to misjudge, both in
    doctrine and in practice. Their hearts, though renewed, are very feeble,
    their understanding, though enlightened, is still very dim. They ought
    to live like those who dwell in an enemy’s land, and every day to put on
    the armor of God. The devil is very busy, he never slumbers or sleeps.
    Let us remember the falls of Noah, and Abraham, and Lot, and Moses, and
    David, and Peter; and remembering them, be humble, and be careful so that
    we don’t fall.

  19. dependent says:

    Totally speculation here…but perhaps the leaven represents one of the characteristics of the Pharisees that Jesus despised. They loved to be seen and recognized for their good deeds. Praying out loud instead of in their closet. Making a big show about their giving compared to the widow’s giving. They were all about seeking the approval of men.

    Now, flash to a scene where these disciples were an integral part in helping Jesus work his wonders. Don’t you suppose the crowd might have started to venerate them a bit? You know–“man you guys are awesome, giving us free food.” or “You must be special since this rabbi chose you to be his followers.” or “suppose you can put in a kind word for me so I can have this other need met?”

    Perhaps Jesus is referring to somehing other than false teaching here. Perhaps he is addressing the subtle way that pride begins to emerge when we are used by God to do special things. Our tendency some times is to siphon off a bit of the glory that should be reserved for Christ. It appeals to our pride to be seen as part of a successful ministry, as intimate friends with those who are prominent or seen as having special status because of our proximity to the wonderous works of our Lord?

    I think Jesus just may have been warning them about this creeping pride that tends to want receive our reward here, through the approval of men, instead of humbly storing it up heaven.

  20. BabyJ says:

    When I first read this topic, I immediately thought of the Israelites and how they had miracles performed directly in front of them and “forgot” about them almost instantly. I take these passages as a reminder to not have short term memory and to resist the devil’s voice telling my that my God won’t take care of me. God promised he would never leave me. He also promised that he had good intentions to prosper me according to his will and not to bring me harm. He will provide, and when I look at my circumstances its convenient to not fully believe. Just as I am sure it was in that day with the disciples ( new testament israelites). They saw the size of the obstacle but forgot about the ability of their God.

  21. SFDBWV says:

    Daisy, my point was that “like” bacteria the yeast germinates within a persons heart. I am sorry you missed the point, but thanks for pointing out my technical error and difference between fungus and bacteria.

  22. mtman says:

    Interesting how many different views on this topic. We all know from posting on this site how difficult it is to be understood. Jesus spoke to us in parables so we could understand and look how differently we all view what he is saying and putting different meanings on it. Personally I think that is good for us as long as we don’t change what was specifically written.
    Before I retired I worked with contracts daily. That included interpretation of them. When you work with words you realize that changing one word, or a comma, can make a huge difference. The word shall, will, may come to mind. They all are significantly different and if you mistake one for the other you lose the intended meaning.
    While we examine bible text we need to be sure we are reading exactly what it says but sometimes conjecture can be good too. We just can’t rely on conjecture and have to remember specifically what scripture says. Just my comment for the day.
    Since I am so stiff from splitting firewood I’m heading to town for provisions. Only 10 more cords to go. Whew… Check in later.

  23. SFDBWV says:

    One of the pleasures we have is hind sight, another imagination.

    We often try to place ourselves into the mind of the Disciples. This imagining can be very accurate or very erronious. But it sometimes help for some of us to understand better.

    These men who had a lifetime of indoctrination in all thiings Jewish or Hebrew. All of their ideas about God and the prophets and the coming Messiah were ingrained into them from an early age. Preconcieved ideas.

    Suddenly they find themselves with this man, who speaks with authority and they have witnessed mind boggleing power from him at every turn of events.

    I would say they were in culture and intellectual shock most of the time. Affraid to ask him anything least they sound stupid or foolish.

    So they discuss their confusion amongst themselves only to find out HE already knows their thoughts.

    I don’t fault the Disciples, they were I am sure not certain what was coming next all the time.

    We can look back accross our lives and see the mistakes and errors we have committed. Often wishing we could back up the clock and fix them. It is no different, we have heard of this man Jesus, we have or haven’t made that personal commitment to ask Jesus to be Lord of our lives. We have moved accross our lives experiancing wonders and changes in us because of HIM. And we also don’t realy know what is coming next.

    I think we will be as supprised as the Disciples even though like they, we have HIS presence with us.


  24. abalderama says:

    This morning when I read the daily bread it was about judging others which is clearly not our job. I woke up this morning worried about what I’m going to eat today, what I’m going to feed my son. I worried about monies that are going to come due in order for my son to be on the swim team. And prior to reading Mart’s post, I was already asking our Father to forgive me for worrying, that I know he knows what we need. To have faith that he will provide because he ALWAYS does. ALWAYS. I think the scriptures teach us to not worry to believe that anything is possible for him. I read the two different subjects today and believe that feeding the multitudes teaches us to have faith and that judge not lest you be judged tells us not to beat each other up for our opinions but rather to edify each other. I take the Bible at face value as I believe every word of it and know that Jesus reveals himself to me through it. I don’t believe that anyone can just pick up the Bible and understand the meaning of every scripture. You have to have a personal relationship with our Father and he will begin to reveal himself. If you can walk around everyday and know that your life is going to be perfect, with no wind, no anxiety, etc. kudos to you. I on the other hand pray many times throughout the day for God’s presence and assistance because I know I can cry out to him no matter what and because I need him. Let’s not become so self sufficient that we forget where we came from and the sheer power of our creator.

  25. poohpity says:

    I was wondering if the yeast of the P and S might have been asking to see more miracles before they believed. It seems to be after they had already seen miracle after miracle they still asked for more. It seems to be the same disbelief of the disciples when they were worrying about food when the Lord had just provided.

  26. daisymarygoldr says:

    Steve/SFDBWV, Thank you for clarifying the point! Yes, you are 100% co-r-re-ct… bacteria also ferment. …and thanks for pointing out the confusion of the disciples. I agree and don’t fault the disciples either… even Jesus understood their problem of not being able to understand spiritual concepts…

    …it must be noted that at the time, Jesus already had the Holy Spirit (that came on Him as the dove) but the disciples did not… they merely left their nets to follow their mystical Rabbi based on their human understanding.

    John 19 describes in detail the whole scene where Jesus promised of a time when He will not talk in vague figurative speech…and that was referring to the coming of the Holy Spirit who will guide His followers… to clearly teach and explain spiritual things.

    In v 29 the disciples thought they finally understood His plain talking and said “we believe that You came from God.” … but Jesus knew that they still did not understand what He was saying…and responded “Do you now believe?” in other words he meant “You think you got it? Wait till you see them catch and kill me…and then all of you will abandon me”

    Jesus was not saying this to accuse them of their failure to stand by Him. He perfectly understood their confusion and knew that without the Holy Spirit it is impossible for them to understand Spiritual things of God. It is one thing to understand with our human minds that Jesus is God and it is entirely different when we see Him with our spiritual eyes of understanding.

    This was exactly how it was in the case of the disciples. They were awestruck to witness His powerful miraculous acts of healing the sick and feeding the hungry mobs. With a partial understanding of God’s Spirit they were convinced that Jesus is God.

    …But when Jesus talked about His death and departure their human reasoning was confused… they were sad and distraught because in their human wisdom they were completely clueless. Their human vision was limited to the “here and now”.

    Fast forwarding to the scene on the day of Pentecost… once the confused disciples received the Holy Spirit, from then onwards it was a whole different story. The confusion was gone as the fogginess of their minds lifted… to make way for a clear vision of the way of the Cross!

  27. daisymarygoldr says:

    Once the disciples were anointed with the Holy Spirit… there was no more turning back… to look at the past life and its sins and the mistakes and errors and denials and failures…no more fearful hiding in obscurity… there was no more room for making lame excuses of being uneducated fishermen… of being untrained in the scriptures… of being old sinners… or like the people of Jonah’s time who “can’t discern their left hand from their right”

    Once the disciples were enlightened with the Holy Spirit… there was no more disunity and discord… there was no more quarreling of who is greater or superior… Peter did not care any more if John was more loved or if he would outlive Peter. Being anointed by the one and the same Spirit… they all lifted up their voices in “one accord” (Acts 4:24 NASB) and to set the whole place ablaze with a fiery passion… to defy the powers of rebellious opposition… and boldly witness Christ in the very city in which He was killed!

    Once the disciples were empowered with the Holy Spirit… there was no more doubt of whether they are politically correct and saying the right words with the right meaning… of whether their words were making any sense to their fellow Jews from Galilee or to proselytes from Rome or to the Arabs and the Asians…I bet none of them in that crowd were equipped with Bible concordance or their own linguistic dictionaries!

    The unction of the Holy Spirit left no question in the minds of the disciples… as to whether it is a matter of being kind and loving to please people…. or of being right to obey God! The unpretentious truth in the powerful words of the illiterate followers of Christ cut and pricked at the hearts of the astounded listeners. All those who believed, obeyed God’s word and got saved but the wicked that got offended railed and plotted to kill them.

    Regardless of being beaten and jailed and flogged and threatened to not speak the name of Jesus, Peter and John continued to boldly proclaim… nothing other than God’s simple truth. What a contrast it was… against the hypocrisy of the Pharisees who were all about themselves and their religion that was coated with human-wisdom and self-righteousness.

    If we say we have received the Holy Spirit of God’s love…let us then put aside all hypocrisy and unite together to carry on the Master’s work of feeding the hungry mobs… as the whole unbelieving world looks on and wonders… What is happening here?!

  28. daisymarygoldr says:

    Correction: it is John 16.

  29. su says:


    Jesus knew the hearts of the P’s & S’s. That is not to say individually they weren’t searching. Overall, they didn’t walk the talk; collectively, the lives they lived were not examples they/we were/are to copy (or the least, that is what I understand). At one point, without doing any research, I think it was said that Jesus knew they were out to try and test Him (ie, not necessarily Know Him). Maybe I am mixing groups, but it seems clear that we are told to be on the look out, as we seek Him! Let His Spirit rise in us not yeast from elsewhere (even our own thinking).

    Yes, we, too, ask over & over again. However, God also knows our hearts. And when His convenes with ours, we are re/newed. He gives us the cross to go back to whenever their is an issue. We also have His Word to reference. Not to mention each other. They had Jesus to go to. So, the question is, what/who is y/our/my source? And are we/you/me open to nuturing that?

    To Everyone,

    I want to wish you a Happy Memorial Day. But, I think it was initially mtman, who offered something similar to a THANKS to our military (past and present) for their service! DITTO. I just received an email (not such a bad one) reminding me how unappreciated they can be treated. My sister, whose husband is a marine, sent a simple one yesterday. I recall we did more on this day even 10-20 years ago (other than just golfing or having fun). Maybe I am out of touch but let’s not forget the freedom we have to discuss things like because of folks who have and are willing to sacrifice. I wish our country had no (or at least much less) discrepancies in our respect for what they offer and provide (especially when well managed). Either way, they need to be remembered!

  30. mjday11 says:

    The question to answer here seems to be: why were the disciples so often unable to pick up Jesus’s meaning? He continually admonishes them for their lack of faith.

    I like Steve in WV’s answer. When things are going well, we are happily praising God. But if some large, threatening problem comes up, we tend to become fearful and forgetful of what we learned.

    And Poohpity, you do have a way of saying what you mean in a concise, effective manner.

  31. bubbles says:

    Hello everyone.  I’m a teacher.  An academic coach at our school said thaat a new concept/objective needs to be presented to students nine..yes, nine (!) times before it becomes fully understood by the student.  Wow.  The teachers have pacing guides that help us know which objectives need to be taught when, and then we document the dates the objectives are taught.  My little class and I really struggled for the entire month of March learning decimals!  Whew.  I’d plan, and try many different ways to present decimals.  The thought was, “They must understand now!”  but, guess what?  They still didn’t get it!  AAAhh:)

    I don’t know, perhaps Jesus, as the Master Teacher was presenting His lesson again to get a point across to his disciples.  Since He knew each thought and mind of these men, He must have known they needed a re-teach lesson! Maybe He had to show/tell them something over, and over, and over again :) so they could ‘really get it’.


  32. mighty4mom says:

    Well, the disciples are pretty much like me (us) who still don’t get it at times. How many times did He provide for us and yet when another need comes along, I (we) still act like it will not me met? Duh!

  33. bubbles says:

    Oh, yes! I am the same! The Lord has met large and very small, unimportant needs in my life. Then, when I begin to worry, then pray, then think and worry. . then when He meets the need, I’m so ashamed because I worried. I have had many, many Duh moments. You’d think I’d learn. ha. It’s wonderful to be able to look back on needs He has met because it does help when another need arises–He did it before, and He can do it again if it is His will. I’m thankful for His patience and mercy.

  34. Rick123 says:

    1Cr 3:1 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, [even] as unto babes in Christ. 2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able [to bear it], neither yet now are ye able. 3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas [there is] among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?

    4 For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I [am] of Apollos; are ye not carnal? 5 Who then is Paul, and who [is] Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man?

    6 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase. 7 So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase. 8 Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour. 9 For we are labourers together with God: ye are God’s husbandry, [ye are] God’s building. 10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon. 11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ….18 Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise. 19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness. 20 And again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain.

    21 Therefore let no man glory in men. For all things are yours; 22 Whether Paul, or Apollos, or Cephas, or the world, or life, or death, or things present, or things to come; all are yours; 23 And ye are Christ’s; and Christ [is] God’s.

    The SPIRITUAL were those who, after conversion, had continued to grow in the grace and knowledge of the Lord, no longer continuing as “babes in Christ.” The CARNAL were those who were continuing to live like the unconverted, full of envy, jealousy and strife. “like ordinary, unconverted men.” Certainly, such persons even as Paul and Apollos are nothing worthy of receiving any adoration and glory from men who have been redeemed by the blood of Christ. Significantly, it appears here that Paul and Apollos were instruments only, and not, in any sense, the source of divine grace(from the Father). In Matthew 16:15, Jesus declared that his church would be built upon the rock, and here is revealed what the rock is; it is Christ. “Paul said that Christ is the only foundation that can be laid.” No man may begin anywhere else. He is also called the door of the sheepfold, the chief corner stone, the head of the body, and in him, all things-uphold. He upholds all things by the word of his power-which comes from his Father God(the Source).

  35. poohpity says:

    I think that is why it is so neat to read in the bible that those who walked with Him have the same issues we do in this day and age and yet He still loved us so very much and understands how we are now and how we will be in the future yet still went to the Cross. God never gives up on us and all He wants is for us to love Him in our very human way and to love others in our very human way.

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