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Letterman Without a Laugh

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Long time, late night host and comedian, David Letterman told his audience last night that he has had sexual relations with members of his staff. CNN story.

The story needs to be made public, he said, since he had appeared earlier in the day before a Grand Jury to give testimony in an extortion case.

Letterman said that he needed to give testimony regarding “the creepy things he had done” because about three weeks ago he had received a package and a letter claiming to have information about his sexual relationships and demanding 2 million dollars to keep quiet.

Letterman said he took the information to authorities and has since admitted what he did to his staff.

I mention this here not to multiply Letterman’s embarrassment, but because a public event like this gives us an opportunity to put things in perspective.

For one, the sobering story told by someone who has given us so many laughs over the years says something about a wrong that some of us overemphasize while others minimize.

I say some of us overemphasize it because in some conservative communities, pride, covetousness, greed, envy, gluttony, racial and gender prejudice, abuse of authority, externalism etc etc. are routinely institutionalized while waving banners publicly against all manner of sexual sin. In such atmospheres political partisanship, hawkish attitudes toward war, gossip, and disregard for the poor put the name of Christ in a dim or red light while hypocritical patterns of pornography, marital abuse, and fear of exposure lurk beneath the surface.

On the other hand, what has happened to DL is a reminder that those who try to treat sexual unfaithfulness as normal and even funny, as long as you don’t get caught, are telling bold lies to themselves and one another.

Sexual unfaithfulness is not about a debatable moral theory. Neither is it an issue that can be rightly isolated from pride, self-centeredness, lust, and irreverence. These are all about relationships with one another and our God.

All of this is not just about today’s embarrassment of a well known funny man. It’s part of our story as a people who have been made for one another, and first of all for our God. It’s about the need for humility, reason, and reflection on ourselves. It’s about a moment that can help us to assess our own opinion of why the Bible makes an issue of those choices that reflect our relationship to Christ… one way or another.

Today some of us might be tempted to drag Letterman into the center of our conversation the way some religious leaders dragged an adulterous woman in front of Jesus. If so, maybe we need to read again what Jesus said to that woman. He spoke those words in the hearing of men who ended up dropping the stones in their hands… before slinking into the shadows– to either contemplate their own sin…or to try to come up with another reason to discount the Person who no one could accuse of sin… except that he seemed to be so reluctant to condemn anyone… while calling everyone to himself…

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49 Responses to “Letterman Without a Laugh”

  1. refump says:

    We want to shine the light to expose sin.. just not our sin. Or maybe we have rationalized it away so that we don’t call it sin anymore. It is so easy to become desensitized to sin. Like the illustration of putting a frog in boiling water & it will jump out right away but put the frog in cold water & slowly heat up the water & the frog won’t jump out & ends up boiling to death. Mart, the first sentence in your last paragraph hit me hard, “Today some of us might be tempted to drag Letterman into the center of our conversation the way some religious leaders dragged an adulterous woman in front of Jesus.”, because it seems that if I can point out the sin in someone elses life it falsely makes me feel better about myself thinking as the pharasees prayed, “at least I didn’t commit that awful sin”, when in reality sin is sin & it is what what caused Jesus Christ to have to go to the cross & pay the penalty for.

  2. phpatato says:

    Thank you my Lord for your tender lovingkindness.

    Thank you everyone for your prayers. Just a quick update…mom has been discharged from hospital. She received 6 units of blood in total. They did a few non-invasive tests and determined that they could not see a GI bleed in the digestive system. She is obviously losing blood so it might be her heart or lungs. They discontinued 2 prescription blood thinners to only keep her on a coated aspirin, hoping to slow the bleed. Her heart is documented as being critical and a “doppler” appointment is being setup. Dad was so happy to see her return. We will return to our daily routine which is getting them out for a small car ride every second day or so now (depending on the weather). Dad has a French Vanilla ice cream cone and mom a child’s portion of french frys (her favourite treat). We live one day at a time with each of them and praise God for His continued Blessings.

    I thank God for my family BeenThinkers. Hugs to ALL.

  3. foreverblessed says:

    Letterman was courageous to tell about “the creepy things he had done”.
    He brought it in the open.
    It is best he does that now, because all things done secretely will be brought in daylight later.

  4. foreverblessed says:

    Wish you and your parents a very blessed and peacefull time! Even in this very difficult period when the body fails.
    But their soul is in peace! They do not have to worry about creepy things they have done, they are under the blood of Jesus who covered them. Thanks to God.

  5. SFDBWV says:

    If todays topic had not been about David Letterman and his public bragging about his sexual prowess, I would not have known about it unless I accidentaly read it on the internet news services.

    I have not been a fan of Letterman for years and last winter when the news service picked up his unkind and insensitive remaks thrown at Sarah Palin I was glad I don’t stay up late enough to listen to his style of illhumor.

    No Mart, none of us has a right to feel superior to another just because we live a better or more moral lifestyle. But shown in contrast, I would rather be me, living from day to day engrossed in the care of my family and love for Jesus. Then to be the millionare David Letterman. Does that make me sound judgementle? I don’t really care, because it is the truth.

    Had another worldy thinker not tried to capitalize on information they had on Letterman, he would have kept his little secret and continued on with his lifestyle.

    I am reminded of a little line of truth from the Bible…”Your sin will find you out.”

  6. cherielyn says:

    Philippians 4:8 (KJV) Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.


    DL would not have found himself in that position had he been living a righteous life. DL needs the Lord! Let’s pray for his salvation!

    Off subject, but today’s ODB really spoke to my heart. My dad, in the last two years of his life, had declined into a state of dementia. It was not Alzheimer’s as he still recognized us. However, he spoke very seldom. During one visit, when some of my siblings were there, we began singing one of the old familiar hymns that my dad liked so well. We were astounded when my dad joined in and began singing with us. After that, when we came to visit, we would sometimes bring a hymnal with us and page through and sing one hymn after another and dad would sing along. He may not have been able to communicate much with us at the end, but he certainly was communicating with his Savior whom he is now with.

  7. phpatato says:

    For ALL have sinned and come short of the glory of God.

    You are so correct Refump, sin is sin. Even those little white lies. It is all dirt in God’s eyes. People gossip about other people because it makes them feel better about themselves. They think that because they would NEVER do something as “bad” as that, they are a much better person/Christian. The fact is, they aren’t.

    Jesus warned us not to be harshly critical of others -“Judge not, that we be not judged”. We forget that when we point the finger at someone else, there are 3 pointing back and I have been guilty, quite often, of being the bull’s eye of those 3 fingers.

    We have all had our little secrets which is why we must humbly come before God and ask that He convict us of them in order to receive His forgiveness. I consider it a good thing that the closets in my life be housecleaned. I tend to be a bit of a packrat. I store issues that I am not willing to deal with at the time. The purging is not fun, it can hurtful, but it must be done. Once finished though, He gives me a new song in my heart.

    God is so Good.

  8. refump says:

    SFDBWV, I really appreciate your great head & heart knowledge of spiritual truths but I have to say your post almost sounded like the pharisee’s prayer that he was thankful he was not like the publican. I am sure that isn’t what you meant to say & I just read it wrong. Also, cherielyn made the statement,”DL would not have found himself in that position had he been living a righteous life.” Not sure what you mean by that. Seems this is the point Mart is trying to get at.

  9. wretch-like-me says:

    Marti, you said…
    “It’s about a moment that can help us to assess our own opinion of why the Bible makes an issue of those choices that reflect our relationship to Christ… one way or another…”

    I say, like it or not ALL choices reflect our relationship or LACK OF IT.

    You said,”…the Person who no one could accuse of sin… except that he seemed to be so reluctant to condemn anyone… while calling everyone to himself…”

    I say, In the larger picture of scripture Christ comes twice… the first as Redeemer/Savior (Jn 3:16-18); however, He will come again to Judge the World (Rev). Somehow, I dont think His temperment will be the same the Second Coming as it was the First.

    All that aside, I fall in line with several posts which remind us that ‘None of us is righteous…No NOT one!” I stand by an earlier remark…
    “But for the Grace of God…”

    As for the comment someone made about ‘white lies’, I have heard it said that ‘Telling WHITE lies leads to COLOR blindness.’


  10. lgoettz says:

    I know exactly what David Letterman must be going through. I was unfaithful to my wife at one time and it almost cost my marriage. At least he was willing to admit his fault instead of covering it up. That is the first step to repentance. I just hope and pray that someone will speak to him about Christ and he will bow his knee to Christ. I know everyone’s first instinct is to condem him for what he did, but what right does anyone have to condem him of what he did. We can use this to lead him and others to Christ if it is done with a heart of Love.

  11. Jing says:

    SFDBWV, I appreciate your comments. I believe you said it best. DL is not a hero. You are not a Pharisee because you take a stand against sin. Look where we are because we sat back and didn’t stand up for prayer in school etc. Mart, I like SFDBWV would not have considered watching Letterman after he made rude and inconsiderate remarks about Sarah Palin. Sick, sexual humor is not funny. I do not believe the conservative’s deserved to be attacked for their packing banners etc. It’s time someone takes a stand. Am I better than DL? Absolutely not. “For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God.” He has a soul and needs our prayer. Is he a hero? No, what is going on is a disgrace. We cannot be labeled “holier than thou” and a “Pharisee” every time we take a stand against sin. It’s not judgemental, when DL boasts about what he did. The news has aired it time and time again today. Sincerely in Christ. Jing

  12. Mart De Haan says:

    Am so glad to see different views coming out. They’re in us. We might as well air them, and follow our thoughts about “what it means to be conservative, liberal, hard on sin, or soft on sin” to some conclusion.

    Seems to me that one of many questions is, for the present, “Are followers of Christ called to reflect the attitudes of Christ (1) in his humility, incarnation, and sacrifice, or Christ (2) in his glory, power, and judgment?

  13. poohpity says:

    What on earth are you saying. A sin is a sin and none are righteous not one. The same measure that you judge or criticize it will be given back to you. We are not in any way superior to anyone else, we are forgiven. Do not look at yourself compared to other people around you, we are to look at ourselves compared to Jesus. There at that Cross we fail so miserably. That is exactly what pushes people away from the Cross.

    I am certainly not saying that DL was right he just got caught but he is in need of a Savior just like all humanity. Some sin is more obvious than others. Has anyone ever considered the sin of control. Wanting to control everything around you that is idolatry by putting yourself in the place of God. How about trying to be everything to everybody around you rather than allowing God to work in their life that is also idolatry. How about taking care of others while letting yourself go down the hole when Jesus said to love others as you love yourself.

    Oh my gosh some people better take another look at who they are compared to the God/Man who did nothing wrong yet hung on that Cross for David Letterman just as He hung there for you.

    The more you look within this less time you have looking at someone else who also has many flaws. The mirror may be your best friend rather than an enemy.

    Give me a break!!!!!!

  14. Jing says:

    Mart-appreciate your comment “reflecting the views of Christ”. That is what we have to strive for. I think that is a common denominator among us as we approach with different backgrounds and views. I know we all agree on Christ’s authority and sacrifice as you mentioned.

  15. phpatato says:


    I am not sure why you sound so frustrated.

  16. poohpity says:

    For my walk with the Lord I would rather reflect the humility in which I fail so miserably and have the rug pulled out from under me. In my relationship with God I do not get by with anything I do wrong. The Lord always shows me where I have messed up and then restores me and until I learn the lesson He keeps putting me in the circumstances until I learn. It is not fun but I love the fact that He cares that much for me that He continues to help me learn and shows me my error/sin.

  17. poohpity says:

    When I first started walking with the Lord I looked around at all the people at church and thought gosh I will never be like them. They always had smiles and nice clothes and looked like they had everything altogether. It was not until I got to know them that I learned that their smiles hid their fears, brokenness and problems they had in their lives. It was through reading the bible that I learned that God used those who were not perfect but broken. I loved the scriptures because that is how I learned and did not depend on those who seemed so together who were living a lie.

    The people who I now admire are those who have nothing and depend on God for all their needs like the children in third world countries.

    It hurts me so much to hear or see people that think of themselves as superior in anyway because we are all on the same ground. I have felt the immense hurt of those people and have only had the hand of God to show me how much I am loved. That is what I want folks to know that no matter who they are or what they have done God loves them and can use them in a mighty way.

  18. refump says:

    I think we are all for taking a stand against sin. Nobody, so far has defended DL’s sin or said he was a hero because he confessed what he had done. But we all are quick to condemn someone else’s sin if that is a sin we have not not done because it makes deep down it makes us proud. The fact is only if we have never lusted or had an impure thought can we can we have never participated in that same sin. Were is the stand against sin for “pride, covetousness, greed, envy, gluttony, racial and gender prejudice, abuse of authority, externalism etc etc”. As Christians we like keep our stand against sin focused on the “really bad stuff” because then we can have “righteous indignation” towards sin while losing sight of all these other sins that we participate in. Too often in our “stand against sin” we come across as finger pointing instead of acknowledging & confessing of our sins. This is what turns many of the lost off towards Christians. In our stand against sin we attack the sinner not fully realizing that sinner is me/us. As Frank said,”Somehow, I dont think His temperment will be the same the Second Coming as it was the First.” Until then let us do our best to proclaim him as “Redeemer/Savior (Jn 3:16-18)”

  19. wretch-like-me says:

    Dear Friends,

    I find it very interesting how each of us reflect on the issues presented by Mart. Just as the sunlight reflects off various objects in our world enhancing some colors while absorbing others, we cannot help reflecting our own ‘colors’ when we consider Mart’s posits.

    What is most interesting is how much ‘Son-light’ we reflect vs how much of the world we have absorbed!!!

    I am encouraged that each of us has chosen to respond to DL’s situation with humility and concern for his soul. Wish that it were that simple. We would choose repentance and salvation for him.

    However, God chooses that we are not in the position to choose for others. Each of us must make that choice on their own. All that we can do for others is pray and live an example of Christ’s love for them.

    thanks for pointing our my failure to express clearly that I believe we should reflect Christ’s First Coming until such time as He Returns.

    His First Coming reflected the Father’s Love and Concern for ALL His Children, regardless of their acceptance or rejection of His Message of Salvation.

    Do you think His Second Coming will differ from the First? (I do.)


  20. BobbiLee says:

    “Letterman said that he needed to give testimony regarding “the creepy things he had done” because about three weeks ago he had received a package and a letter claiming to have information about his sexual relationships and demanding 2 million dollars to keep quiet.”

    And that is the real reason DL confessed. Had nothing to do with repentance or even feeling sorry for something. I would also say that with some of us, that is the reason too – Being found out. How we hate to be found out.

    As for Mart’s question about reflecting the attitudes of Christ – for now, it is about reflecting Christ’s humility, incarnation, and sacrifice. We at this time do not have the authority to reflect His glory, power, and judgment. There might be one exception: we are to judge sin, (not the sinner, but sin itself).

  21. Jing says:

    poohpity-not sure why you fired back so hard. I re-read my post and did not see a problem with how I stated my opinion. Paul said “Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.” You and obviously have different backgrounds. But if we do not show love, our opinions do not help anyone. As far as portraying myself as superior, I do not. I consider myself unworthy and “the least of these” in the kingdom. The scripture says the least true Christian believer has a more perfect knowledge of Jesus Christ, of his redemption and kingdom, than John the Baptist had, who died before the full manifestation of the Gospel. DL is as important in God’s eyes as me, or you.

  22. daisymarygoldr says:

    Agree with Steve/SFDBWV:”Your sin will find you out”, Jing: “we take a stand against sin” and BobbieLee: “DL confessed. Had nothing to do with repentance…”

    All those who commit adultery destroy their own souls (Prov 6:23) and DL’s confession comes as no surprise to someone living within the widely accepted norm of society that includes Christians… that love to be entertained with movies, talk shows, literature, and music in which the main theme is often based on adultery as an attractive, exciting adventure with full assurance that God winks at this sin.

    And for followers of Christ, Jesus has made the moral standard even higher… “That whoever looks on a woman/man to lust has committed adultery already in their hearts”. So, with that understanding of the sin of adultery I will never justify myself as moral.

    The difference though, between a sinning non Christian- DL and me- a sinning Christian, is that one loves his sin and is not ashamed of it while the other hates it and loathes herself… and readily confesses it, wishes to never do it again and repents… to turn back and seek God’s power and grace to avoid it.

    Agree with you Mart: that in Jesus there is no accusation or condemnation for anyone… while calling everyone to Himself… And when I consider the spiritual implication of this sin, spiritual adultery is committed when God’s people are unfaithful and turn away from God’s way to backslide.

    OT Ex: Jeremiah weeps when God “saw, even though [Judah knew] that for this very cause of committing adultery (idolatry) I [the Lord] had put faithless Israel away… yet her faithless and treacherous sister Judah was not afraid, but she also went and played the harlot [following after idols].” Jer 3:8

    NT Ex: James exhorts us—unfaithful followers of Christ to draw close to God: “You are (adulterers) [having illicit love affairs with the world and breaking your marriage vow to God]! Do you not know that being the world’s friend is being God’s enemy? The Spirit Whom He has caused to dwell in us yearns over us and He yearns for the Spirit with a jealous love…

    But He gives us more and more grace (power of the Holy Spirit, to meet this evil tendency and all others fully)… [Recognize that you are] sinners, get your soiled hands clean; [realize that you have been disloyal] wavering individuals with divided interests, and purify your hearts [of your spiritual adultery].

    [As you draw near to God] be deeply penitent and grieve, even weep [over your disloyalty]. Let your laughter be turned to grief and your mirth to dejection and heartfelt shame [for your sins]. Humble yourselves in the presence of the Lord, and He will exalt you [He will lift you up and make your lives significant].” James 4: 4-10 NLT

  23. cherielyn says:

    To quote you: “Also, cherielyn made the statement,”DL would not have found himself in that position had he been living a righteous life.” Not sure what you mean by that.”

    What I meant by that is that if DL had been living a righteous life, he would not have been doing the things he did that gave someone else ammunition to use against him which lead to him having to testify in court against the person who was trying to blackmail him.

  24. poohpity says:

    I get confused how we are to judge the acts of those who are not saved. It is a very slippery slope even to confront those brothers or sisters we see in sin. The bible tells us to hold each other accountable but to consider our own sin before we confront another so that we too will not fall into it. It is the attitude or the heart before we address issues in another.

  25. tandgmartin says:

    Excellent commentary, Mart.

  26. Loretta Beavis says:

    I live in California-where anything goes and has for a very long time … this public confession doesn’t seem extraordinary to me, considering the times we live in. I’m just not stunned at all. Maybe you have to live in it to be puzzled why this instance is getting so much attention. Like Lot, he lived in a “sin city” and was kinda numbed by it all. Gee, Las Vegas-advertises itself as “sin city” and the entertainers their (comedians) brag…

    Used to be newspaper tabloids at grocery check-stands with rumors, gossips and confessions; now it is the first thing you see on the i’net browser, your e-mail portal or the web pages for news, etc. Sports people, music people, office people, neighbors. (The beach communities-when thousands of condominiums were built and the “singles scene” of the 70’s-yikes – what I saw, and later did myself !)

    I’m sad that too many people will one day be so sorry for what they’ve done, but it will be too late.

    The Lord Jesus so longs for each of us to be one with Him. We are the unfaithful Bride, He is the faithful Bridegroom – I love my Jesus ’cause He first loved me.

  27. SFDBWV says:

    I wonder how many of us would have felt sorry for Herod or Ahab and Jezebel. John the Baptist was praised by Jesus, yet he had no hesitation in pointing out the sin of Herod, and Elijah took on Ahab and Jezebel to the agreement of God.

    Should we have the attitude of the prophet’s? I can’t speak for others but as for me, watching sinners wallow in and enjoy their sin does make me angry, at first.

    Yes refump, I can take a little pride in feeling I am not like some others I observe, if you want to try and make me feel guilty for that, go for it.

    I find it sad, that once we are professing Christians that we are to become whimpy and show no boldness against the ills and sins we observe.

    It is a very thin line between an observation and an opinion and an even thiner line between an opinion and a judgement.

    I would rather that David Letterman came on National TV and said that he had come to realize his sin and ask the people he had offended and God to forgive him. And confess his need for Jesus Christ.

    That would have impressed me.

    The fact that he is a celebrity and all this publicity will turn into more money for him and his network, only makes me shake my head in disgust.

    Indeed we as Christians should always be ready to show Christ’s love and examples. We must love and show love.

    Do you think that when your father gave you a good spanking when you were little for doing something wrong, that he didn’t hurt also and love you enough to show you your wrongdoing? So that you would learn.

    “Spare the rod and spoil the child”. I think our society is pretty spoiled.

  28. refump says:

    Luke 18: 9And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others:

    10Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.

    11The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.

    12I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.

    13And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.

    14I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

  29. samjw says:

    Who can give us a second chance when we make a sin? Does the second chance help Christians transformed better? We are in a routine life to do sins and to get another chances. Yes, as seen in many comments, it is ONLY by His Grace. But WHY we make the same kinds of mistakes every day? All I hope is that I am changing as Him at this end.

    I do not know whether David Letterman (DL) is a Christian, but I pray for him to learn God’s grace and to be closer to Him. We may say what he did is wrong. However, no one can give to DL a second chance. But let us not judge him based on our thoughts about Justice. As he confessed his sin, we should keep confessing our sins (such as fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy,outbursts of anger, factions, divisions, sects, envyings, bouts of drunkenness, carousings) to Him. Jesus lives with us. Thank GOD.

  30. bubbles says:

    Dear Daisy,

    Could we inquire if your family was effected by the recent earthquake and or tsunami? Hope all of your loved ones are safe this morning. When I saw what happened, I immediately thought of you.

  31. SFDBWV says:

    refump, I will trust my judgement to Christ rather than you. For you look only at what you see and Christ knows my heart. If you want me to believe that you( really )believe that you are not pleased that you are not as some people you observe, you will have to do better than quote scripture. Because Satan does as well.

    Rev 3:14 and unto the angel of the church of Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;
    :15 I know thy works, that tho art neither cold or hot: I would that thou wet cold or hot.
    :16 So then that thou art lukewarm. and neither cold or hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

  32. poohpity says:

    I guess what started this topic again rears it’s ugly head, it is so easy to see the sin in others while refusing to look at our own.

  33. foreverblessed says:

    About adultary, it happened to me several times that God spoke to me through Ezekiel 23, two adulterous sisters.
    That was after the Holy Spirit had comforted me, and I was a child of God, knowing He was my Lord and Master. And I was assured of that.
    It took me 3 or 4 times to realy hit me, the first time that scripture spoke to me, I thought it was about someone else, so the 2nd and 3rd time, always enough people around you you could point at on this sin.
    But how could that affect me, a very loyal and faithful person?
    It was then that I realised I was looking for love to my husband instead of first looking to Him for Love and Comfort.

  34. SFDBWV says:

    refump,before this gets too far, allow me to say that you have falsely accused me of being like the pharisee in bragging to God in prayer that I am better than another. Clearly that is not what I said nor implied.

    So I have found myself in the uncomfortable position of defending myself.

    I will have no further comments on the blog today, as I have not the time for it. So allow me to say if my remarks offended you about David Letterman or yourself I appoligize.


  35. Mart De Haan says:

    Part of me wants to quick post something else and change the subject. But seems like it’s important for all of us to try and think about why this subject hits a nerve. i.e. What concerns or fears does the subject stir up for us?

  36. wretch-like-me says:

    Steve & refump:
    As a bystander in your discussion, it appears to me that your words are inadequate to convey your heart-felt meaning.

    refump: as a brother in Christ, I interpret your meaning to being an effort to counsel rather than condemn, ie. iron sharpening iron. However, as we all know, when iron meets iron sometimes there are sparks.

    Steve: I interpret your zeal to firmly grasp your position in Christ as sometimes being misconstrued as a blindness to another’s position and an unwillingness even to consider it. Perhaps most alarming is a selection of words you used to describe your happiness in being saved and empowered by Christ to live as He would have us live.

    Yes, we are joyful that have heard and accepted Christ’s message of ‘Good News’. However, the use of the word ‘pride’ brings with it certain connotations… that something I have done is worthy of praise.

    Is it not curious that when the heavens parted, the dove descended upon Christ after being baptized, and the Father spoke from above HE used the words “in Him I am well-pleased” rather than I AM PROUD OF HIM?

    I do not think your use of the word was meant to claim that you had done something deserving of salvation or that somehow you were ‘better’ than DL… just better off because you have accepted the ‘grace of God’.


  37. foreverblessed says:

    When thinking of others who are still in their sin, the first thought I mostly have is this: How pitifull the state of their soul.
    Refump did not accuse anybody, he just put a scripture below a remark, and the person who made that remark felt accused.
    Why would you think: I am glad I am not like that person?
    Isn’t that exactly the same as the scripture?

  38. foreverblessed says:

    WLM, to encourage you in your struggles, which you have asked prayers for in recent weeks,
    read the october 3 evening meditation of C.H. Spurgeon.

  39. plumbape says:

    Dare I comment on this one…? Why not, after all old Dave is from Indiana, he has a Indy racing team and he might be a Christian.

    Mart, let them throw stones at one another, like the 2 biggest kids on the block, sooner or later they’re going to get in a fight. I hope the one that has never sinned throws the first stone. The Bible is telling folks that we are all the same, even the folks that are Gods’ chosen people that walked with Jesus continued to mess up, even Dave. Would a God fearing person do some of the terrible things David did….?
    Not Letterman but the no last name one in the Bible that was king and related to Jesus…, oops DL is related to Jesus also weather he knows it or not. I think he knows that and what I’m certain of is what I don’t know about him and a lot of other things.

  40. refump says:

    SFDBWV, As I stated earlier, I have admired you & your blogs on various subjects. I see you as one of the leaders on this blog site. Sort of the father figure of this blog. You have excellent knowledge of God’s word & express your views well. You have a passion for the lost which is evident as you have often shared a very clear plan of salvation when the occasion may have called for it. Just so you know you have not offended me by any of your comments regarding this subject so no apology needed. The intent of my comments were/are not to accuse anyone (as I have also stated earlier, I am in no position to accuse anyone except myself) of anything. My intent is a cautionary one. You have strong convictions & have been a great encourager to many if not all many times. Our strengths are also our weaknesses & in sharing your strong convictions you came across as a bit condemning to those of us that have been guilty of sexual sin by either thought or by the actual deed. I just wanted, in a cautionary way, say wait a minute lets be careful about coming on too strong. To answer Mart’s latest question “What concerns or fears does the subject stir up for us?”, I would answer I fear we can sometimes express our hate of the sin so strongly that it spills over into sounding like we hate the sinner as well which will only serve to drive the lost away from God. I also fear we/I will lose sight of where we came from, that is lost in sin, & become condemnation heavy & not balanced with love.

  41. wretch-like-me says:

    thankyou, thankyou, thankyou
    God Be Praised. I echo in concert with Spurgeon. Blessed is the wind that drives me into the port of my Savior’s arms. Happy Wounds, that make me seek the Beloved Physician.


  42. poohpity says:

    My frustration with the replies to this topic has always been the same. Being the brunt of human condemnation and feeling the sorrow of those that consider themselves as holier then thou. Thinking many times if this is how a Christian acts I do not want to be one. Seeing those who need the touch of Jesus turn away from Him because those who are supposed to represent Him turn their noses up completely disgusts me. Seeing how brothers/sisters in Christ look at another and call them names or talk down to each other or behind each others backs. What is any different than the world.

    It seems the worst are those that were raised in so called Christian homes because they feel their sin is not as bad as someone elses. If a person really has asked the Lord into their hearts then they have to be aware that they are a sinner and it is impossible to never sin again. We are looked upon by God through the blood of Christ not our own righteousness. If we then realize how impossible it is to never sin again we will not be so quick to look at another’s sin. That seems to be the point.

  43. debla48 says:

    I wonder what the world would be like if we loved mercy as much as we loved judgement?

  44. marma says:

    To your question, “(1) in his humility, incarnation, and sacrifice, or Christ (2) in his glory, power, and judgment?” the Word gives us plenty of help.

    1) Should be our response to all–Paul talked about ministering in humility, and being poured out as a sacrifice for the Churches–following in Christ’s steps.

    2) In our boldness to preach the Gospel we have His power through the Holy Spirit. We are commanded to speak the truth in love, though, even when we are presenting the judgment to come. We are in a kingdom and we have a king, and our lives should honor our king, the Lord Jesus. I think also, with the cleansing of the temple and the way Jesus responded to the religious leaders, that we should not shrink when we are challenged for preaching the gospel and we face opposition from religious leaders.

    There is a time for everything, and only in the power of the Holy Spirit and by heeding God’s Word will we know what to say and when.

    I think if anything, coming judgment on the world should remind us as believers to live Holy lives; Jesus’ sacrifice should inflame our love for him, and both of those, I hope, in my life and in the family of God, will cause us to look unto Jesus, and live lives worthy of the calling we have as disciples. That’s my prayer for all of us.

  45. Laraba says:

    It seems to me that our attitude is the critical issue. Jesus was not hesitant to point out sin, but always with an attitude of love towards others. When we see someone else struggling with sin, I hope that we would do so with a heart of compassion. We want what is God’s best for other people. If someone is caught in sexual sin, or gossiping, or lying, or self-hatred, they are hurting THEMSELVES. That is NOT God’s best for them. If we point out other’s sin with a self-righteous attitude, we are sinning ourselves. But if we adopt the view that “everyone has to decide what is right or wrong”, we also sin. Because to say that something is OK in the name of tolerance is not doing anyone else any good. Am I glad that I am not in DL’s position? Absolutely. But I also know that “there but for the grace of God, go I.” I have been saved by Christ and all the good in me comes from Him. And for a person who has fallen short in the sexual arena in the past, if he has repented his sins are forgiven and blotted out by the Blood of the Lamb. I haven’t personally committed adultery, but that doesn’t make me better than someone who has. I have plenty of sins of my own that have been and are forgiven by Christ on a daily basis. But if I am a friend with someone who IS committing sexual sin, and had the opportunity, I hope I would be able to approach that person with love and compassion that his/her choice is incredibly damaging. We want what is best for others, and what is best is repentance and turning away from all sin, with the understanding that we’ll never get there completely this side of Heaven. But of course it is worth striving for with the help of God’s Spirit.

  46. SFDBWV says:

    refump, Frank, all, I have often said that this form of comunication is difficult at best. When I set down here to share with all of you my thoughts, I am usually interupted dozens of times while trying to keep a train of thought and say exactly what it is I want to say.

    I ain’t complaining, it is just the way it has to be. If I am to be here at all.

    In attempting to express exactly what I want to say and therby hopefuly not create confusion, I try very hard to pick just the right words to accomplish that goal.

    I haven’t time to edit or spell check or make certain the text is just right before posting, as usually when I post, it is because my time here is up and my presense is needed elsewhere.

    This is all very difficult at best. I am after all just as human as anyother. To find myself being criticized for the use of a word here or there or my intent being misunderstood, can bring frustration, and frustration is the first step to anger.

    I am well aware of the warning Jesus made about being angry, even in your own home. Do I get angry sometimes? You bet I do. Does that make me less a Christian? Maybe to critics it might, who are looking for thoes little cracks and openings in my armor.

    When I said that “I would rather be me, living from day to day engrosed in the care of my family and love for Jesus,than to be the millionaire David Letterman.”

    This is what that statement means, from me…

    Letterman has fame and fortune, I have the Christ.

    I would rather be me!

    refump, your very kind words about me are very humbling and I appreciate them very much. If I am ever able to do anything here on the blog that is encouraging or uplifting or enlightening it is not because of any special ability I possess. It is from the Christ, the Holy Spirit that speaks from or throgh me.

    When I fail, it is because of me and my human dna coming out.

    Frank, I know only too well my shortcomings. I know that I can sound very stuborn and unyielding at times. You should feel sorry for the people who have to live with me. A stuborn spirit is a rebellious spirit and rebellion is sin.

    Many times I feel the old me bursting to come out. The fighter…Slap me, I’ll slap you back, harder. Attack me, I will come at you with all I’ve got. I hate that guy. The Holy Spirit contains him and holds him back. But also uses him when for the purpose of uplifting the Christ and expressing the Gospel. So I can’t totaly hate him or be rid of him. God uses that boldness for His purposses. So like the wild horse, the Holy Spirit has reined me in.

    Thank you also Frank for your friendship and encouragement. They are appreciated.


  47. Mart De Haan says:

    A follow up article shows that even if DL tried to mix humor in his original disclosure, he, like all of us, has discovered that being unfaithful to commitments is no laughing matter http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33184320/

  48. pegramsdell says:

    Steve, I think that you are a stand up guy. I thank God for men like you. A good example of what it is to follow Jesus. Thanks.

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