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To Do or Not to Do

Another combination of statements that could look like a contradiction shows up in the Sermon on the Mount.

First Jesus encourages his followers to “let their light shine before others” so that others can see the good that they do (Matt 5:16).

But then a few statements later the Teacher begins an extended emphasis in which he urges his disciples not only to avoid doing good works before others, but repeatedly advises them to practice their faith in secret where only God can see (Matt 6:1-4, 6, 18).

Critics of the Bible make long lists of such “alleged discrepancies.” But seems to me that the wisdom of the Bible begins to unfold as we look at them more closely, in their own setting, with an eye for the author/Teacher’s stated intent.

I’ll bet that together we can find more than one important insight from this example of “truth in tension”—especially if we note that Jesus speaks these words just after giving us his “foundational list of attitudes” which– as some of you pointed out earlier– are themselves expressed in ironic ways (5:1-10).

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97 Responses to “To Do or Not to Do”

  1. SFDBWV says:

    Wow Mart we are moving in the fast lane now.

    As I had stated a few posts ago I see the character of Christ explained and displayed in the Sermon on the Mount.

    Jesus Himself did miracles in front of every one and also some He did one on one and told that person to not say anything to anyone about it.

    Each situation dictates whether to be secretive or open about the action of doing good works. Each unique and thus different from the other.

    Once again not a contradiction but a deeper understanding about the nature of Jesus/Christ/God.


  2. SFDBWV says:

    I also feel that it is about, whose light we shine publicly. Christ’s or our own.

    Our own light, only dims the brighter face of Christ in the view of this broken world.

    So we can let the light of God shine openly and keep our part in it as secret as we can.

    No contradiction only wise use of God’s gifts.


  3. NL says:

    When I read this, I was confused at how it could possibly be a contradiction.

    Jesus said that we should let our light shine and be the salt of the earth. To me, that means that we, as Christians, should live as Christians and not only follow God, but imitate Him by living like Jesus did when He was here on earth…truly showing the world that we are Christians and that we’re not just “saying” that we are.

    When He then says in Matt 6 to not do acts in front of others, it’s for two purposes. 1 – how many times have you seen people who are “Christians” handing out charity? And the very people that they are trying to help avoid them at all costs because they don’t want to be preached to. What does that accomplish and what is the purpose? 2 – how many times have you seen those very same people get acknowledged or thanked for their gifts? Yet, they all forget that the person giving the gift is merely a vessel and that the gift actually came from God? I have yet to see a benefit contribution donation form that said, “Name: God”, “Amount: $####”. We end up “praising” the vessel and forgetting the Gifter. How many times have you thanked a car for getting you from point A to point B but neglected the actual driver? It just doesn’t make sense to do it that way.

    What Jesus is trying to say in having his disciples practice their faith in secret is very obvious. It’s the same reason why we shouldn’t put pastors on pedestals, no matter how good they are…the same reason why David, a great king and man of the Bible, was able to fall from his throne…because we’re ALL sinners and we’re NOT God. If we preached and practiced in front of many, had the masses following us, and then one day fell to sin…which is inevitable…what kind of message does that send? And notice that I said “had the masses following ‘us'”. People, unfortunately, flock to a church because of a pastor, or a group of people…forgetting the real reason why they’re there…Him.

    Jesus was plainly stating facts about how we should live, why we should live that way, and repointing our direction upwards.

    This world, this life, our being…is not about us. It’s about Him.

  4. daisymarygoldr says:

    Mart, Thank you for another good post! Agree with NL. “To Do or Not to Do” looks like a contradiction if we want to look at it that way. If we “do” moral and good deeds then we are doing it for self-glory. “Let your light shine” means to let others see the moral excellence and good deeds which God does in our lives for His glory.

    Similarly, good deeds of charity should be done in secret so that it is God who gets the glory. We are not to “do” good works of giving and distributing food or money publicly because then we are trying to steal the glory that belongs to God.

    Also, practice our faith in secret refers to praying and fasting. We do not pray publicly as individuals because to do that is to manipulate God to give us what we want so we can be glorified before others.

    However, we do pray corporately as the body of Christ not to show off but to let the whole world know that as Christians we are nothing without God… that we solely depend on Him for everything…it is the blessed privilege for us His children to enjoy the intimacy of talking to our Heavenly father. So with that motive when we “do” pray in public, God is glorified!

    And the “foundational list of attitudes” is to help us distinguish between what is considered as religion from a human perspective vs. God’s perspective. Moral deeds according to human wisdom are external and are considered as fake righteousness.

    Acts of love, mercy and compassion if not shown to our immediate neighbors within our families i.e. to parents, spouse, children and within the church is mere lip service. Such practise of faith is an outer form of godliness and is hypocritical in the eyes of God who looks into our hearts.

    The “foundational list of attitudes” which the Messiah gave us are a paradox to the worldly view of happiness. These are not attitudes for us to try and follow for self-glory. It is a list that describes the subjects of God’s Kingdom who as earthen vessels are bringing glory to God right here on earth!

  5. poohpity says:

    NL, totally agree and that is the reason Mart writes these things. It is for us to see that many times we tend to elevate ourselves and knowledge than to elevate the source.

    This particular topic I believe that which we do in secret is that which develops our personal relationship with God. That is between God and each individual although corporate worship is also good in it’s time but there is nothing more important the relationship between God and each person. When we call attention to our knowledge and things like I know more than you so I am better is calling attention to the person not God.

    I have been given gifts that the person is known and I feel indebted to them rather to God which had it been done in secret my eyes would be on God. I know that all good things are gifts from God, I was just giving an example. When it comes down to anything in life, as we have discussed in the past, are we wanting attention or are we doing things to bring God the Glory. If we are to bring Glory to God then we have to back out of the equation. So motive comes into play again.

    All of these topics seem to wrap themselves around each other to come back to the fact that it is all about God. Being human we want to be noticed and payed attention to and we can say as much as we want from the roof tops that we want to give glory to God but is that actually true? We can tell by looking in our lives and seeing if we are desiring less to be noticed.

  6. wretch-like-me says:

    Perhaps the message Jesus is conveying is more understandable in today’s vernacular.

    “Let’s get REAL!”

    In other words, my behavior should reflect glory upon God whether it is in public or private.

    Do I act the same when no one is around to observe and ‘catch me’ in the act?

    Motive as always is key in our relationship to God thru Christ. Who do we seek to please and for what reason?

    If I HAVE a saving relationship with Christ that is moving toward making HIM Lord in my life, it should be reflected in my choices at all times!

    That being said, we could all stand to be reminded from time to time… which is the purpose of fellowship, exhortation, correction and instruction by the Holy Spirit in believers.

    PS Jim is improving. He is no longer sedated into a coma and could soon be taken off the respirator. He has a long way yet to go; PTL for successive miracles. Pray for his kidneys to restart. Thank you ALL!

  7. pegramsdell says:

    Frank, good news about Jim. Thank You Jesus! Thanks for sharing.

  8. daisymarygoldr says:

    Frank, very well said! Thank you for the update! I am so thankful to the Lord for His healing grace towards Jim…

  9. Bob in Cornwall England says:


    I am so pleased Jim is on the mend.
    You are always in my prayers


  10. SFDBWV says:

    Frank, glad to hear Jim is improving, how is your brother in law Dave holding up?

    Bob in Cornwall…I’d like to hear from you. Just want to make sure the skies in England are not all gray.

    I always have remembered a verse of scripture in a very special way. My father was not raised in a christian atmosphere as a child and had a very tough time of it. But he told me years and ago about his grandmother always giving to hobos who would come to the door asking to work for food. She had told him that you never know who it is that comes to your door.(Heb 13:2)
    He also taught me that it is our responsibility to always help thoes who are not as fortunate as we are (Gen 4:9).

    All of his life dad did these things, never wanting a thing in return. I couldn’t tell you how many times he would bring home total strangers in the middle of the night. My mother would get up and fix them something to eat, and they would sleep on the sofa or sometimes in the summer out on our porch and be gone the next morning.

    My dad just figured it was the right thing to do.

    No one ever knew of the things he did for others except the people he helped and us. He would get me up sometimes in the middle of the night to help him when he needed an extra pair of hands. Also many times plan my time around helping him with some of his adventures.

    I am so glad it is God that knows the hearts of people and even though we are told the good deeds we do are as filthy rags, I believe God is pleased when we do what we can to be our brothers keeper. I don’t think credit really matters.


  11. saled says:

    John 7:7 The world cannot hate you; but me it hateth, because I testify of it, that its works are evil.
    John 17:14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.

    Contradiction? Truth in tension? My faith in God and Jesus does not depend on jot and tittle perfection. Jesus’s reference to jot and tittle referred to the law, not the entire Bible.

  12. Ron Ben Yaakov says:

    Shalom to all. First of all, thank you for your kind words, and thank you for your love and your rich messages. I hope I can share some thoughts before this day ends; before Mart changes to another “fast lane,” LOL! I’ll certainly try. I have the candle burning at both ends. I’ll get back ASAP. Love you all.

    Blessings in Messiah Yeshua,

    Ron Ben Yaakov

  13. Ron Ben Yaakov says:

    Shalom. Mart’s subjects are interesting to look at. What about the verses he provides that seemingly appear to be contradicting one another? Are they contradicting one another? Let’s read these verses carefully, then, allow the Holy Spirit to teach us the Truth!

    First Scripture: “Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in Heaven” [Matthew 5:16].

    Secondly: “Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them; otherwise, ye have no reward of your Father which is in Heaven. Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, “They have their reward.” But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth; that thine alms may be in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret Himself shall reward thee openly…But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly…That thou appear not unto men to fast, but unto thy Father which is in secret: and thy Father, which seeth in secret, shall reward thee openly” [Matthew 6:1-4, 6, 18].

    The term: “Let your light so shine…” refers to true-believers allowing God’s holiness to dominate their lives. When they speak, they don’t speak the language of the world; instead, the instructions they give to their communities around them are to be seen and known everywhere, not just inside the walls of a church building, but everywhere! Physically speaking, you can’t see the light of Yeshua shining through me; that is, unless you’re with me. The same goes with each one reading this blog: We can’t see the light shining through each other, but those to whom we minister to, can see this light. By way of illustration, when it comes to Mart, when we see him and Jimmy on DVD’s when they visit Israel and other countries, we see them visiting with people, as well as ministering to each of us as we watch them. It’s neat, if I may use that term, to watch Mart and Jimmy as they interview other ministers, and how they discuss Scriptures, as well as show us biblical sites and have Scriptures narrated; Scriptures we can see and hear. Thank you Mart and Jimmy for allowing the light of Yeshua to shine through your lives; and, thank the other ministers who bring the Word of God to life in order for us to be enriched with this wonderful light.

    When we allow God’s holiness, for a better term: When we allow His light to shine through our lives, this allows men to witness our walk with our Master, Yeshua the Messiah. If we truly walk with Yeshua, we will do the same works He did. For example, Yeshua said, “Verily, verily, I say unto you, he that believeth on Me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto My Father” [John 14:12]. So, what does doing good works have to do with having light shine through our lives? Comparing Scriptures with Scriptures always works :-). Again, in the Gospel of John, Yeshua said, “I am the light of the world; he that followeth Me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life” [John 8:12]. There you go: By following Yeshua, He gives us the ability to do good works; and, at the same time, He gives us the “light of life.” Yeshua is that “light of life!” So, when He said, “Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works…,” the above verses from the Gospel of John makes it all clear. Wherever we go, we are to allow the light of Yeshua to shine through us; and the works that we do, we don’t perform them to be seen of men, but to glorify our heavenly Father.

    There’s a quote that goes something like this:

    “How far the little candle throws his beams!
    So shines a good deed in a naughty world!”

    I don’t know the author, but it sure matches what we’re discussing here. The LORD willing, I have more to say from a Hebraic point of view when it comes to Scriptures that seem to contradict each other. But we know different, don’t we?


  14. Ron Ben Yaakov says:

    Shalom. Have you ever wondered why much of the language in the New Testament appears a bit strange in places to those who are accustomed to reading and hearing the English language? English is a beautiful language, but when it comes to various Bible translations, it easy to loose its beauty. This is when we find, what appear to be contradictions within the Scriptures mentioned. Just like the Scriptures that Mart gave us in Matthew’s Gospel, we read them; and, if we don’t trust the Holy Spirit to interpret them for us, it’s only natural to throw in the towel; hence, coming to a conclusion that what the Master is telling us is mere confusion. This is why there are so many skeptics who make a living by writing volumes of books, trying to negate the validity, or the divine inspiration of God’s Word. We all see that these passages of Scripture from Matthew’s Gospel say one thing, and they seem to get us all tangled-up, like trying to crawl under a barbed-wire fence that laying flat on the ground.

    Now, what I’m going to share may seem completely foreign to you. I know, it sounded foreign to me, but the following information will help you to understand a little of how Yeshua operated while He was here on earth. We’re going to talk a bit about Rabbinical Literature. I know, just the sound of it, may cause you to think that this only pertains to old fuddie-duddies. No, if we’re to know the mind of Messiah, we have to know how He thinks; especially in the days when He walked on this earth. This will make more sense as we continue: His thoughts during His ministry; the pure Word!

    Scholars, more brilliant than we are, tell us that the largest and most significant body of written material from the time of Yeshua the Messiah is known as “Rabbinical Literature.” Except for isolated words or sentences in Aramaic, it is written entirely in the Hebrew tongue. The best known of this type of literature is the Mishnah. Hold on, this will all make sense! The Mishnah is what is called the “Oral Law.” There’s a story behind this that requires extensive time to explain, so I’ll not go into it’s origin at this time. However, we have to know that the Mishnah was passed down from generation to generation by memory, and was finally committed to writing approximately 200 A.D. by Rabbi Judah Hanasi. There’s another opinion: The Mishnah, referring to a six volume collection of oral law and legal discussions was compiled and finalized in written form towards 210 C.E. (Common Era), or 210 A.D. This volume of books forms the backbone of the Talmud which was compiled during the following centuries. Regardless of the exact time, we have this valuable set of writings within arms reach. They are actually rabbinical commentaries.


  15. Ron Ben Yaakov says:

    Shalom. It may come to a surprise to some on this blog, but most of the difficult passages (this includes the Scriptures Mart shared with us/Matthew 5:16; 6:1-4, 6, 18) or problems confronted in New Testament studies could be solved through a knowledge of Rabbinical Literature, the Mishnah, the Torah, as well as the complete Tanach (Old Testament). Many of Yeshua’s sayings have their parallels in Rabbinical Literature. Examples follow:

    “Do His will as if it were your will that He may do your will as if it were His will.”

    Let’s do some comparison here with Matthew 6:10 and 7:21. They say, “Thy Kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in Heaven…Not every one that saith unto me, ‘LORD, LORD,’ shall enter into the Kingdom of Heaven; but he that doeth the will of My Father which is in Heaven.”

    “Conform your will to His will that He may conform the will of others to your will.” (Avoth 2:4).

    Compare this with 1 Peter 5:6, where the Apostle Peter said, “Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that He may exalt you in due time….”

    Note the similarity between the Golden Rule:

    “Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them; for this is the Law (Torah) and the Prophets” [Matthew 7:12]. Now compare this verse with the following sayings:

    Rabbi Eliezer said, “Let the honor of your fellow man be as dear to you as your own” (Avoth 2:10).

    Similar is the saying of Rabbi Yose: “Let the possessions [mammon] of your fellowman be as dear to you as your own” (Avoth 2:12).

    The saying of Rabbi Tarphon reminds us of Yeshua’s saying in Luke 10:2, which says, “Therefore said He unto them, “The harvest truly is great, but the labourers are few; pray ye therefore the LORD of the harvest, that He would send forth labourers into His harvest” (parallel to Matthew 9:37-38):

    “The day is short and the task is great, and the laborers are lazy; but the wages are high, and the master of the house is urgent” (Avoth 2:15).

    Rabbinical sayings give us a clear indication of the language in which Yeshua taught. Yeshua was thoroughly versed in both the written and oral law. Like the other rabbis of the first century, he would certainly have communicated his Gospel in Hebrew.


  16. Ron Ben Yaakov says:

    Shalom. I only hope that this bit of input will energize you, by helping you to see that a lot of water has gone under the bridge since Yeshua walked this earth. Remember: Yeshua was Jewish! He thought, lived and practiced like a Jew. He didn’t think and practice like people in the modern churches depict Him to be. We need to learn how to think like He thinks. I know, there’s probably a big question mark in your mind with this information I’ve just shared with you about how to think. If so, there’s more to consider before I close:

    The Apostle Paul, a Jew, said, “For who hath known the mind of the LORD, that he may instruct Him? But we have the mind of Messiah” [1 Corinthians 2:16]. Paul also said, “Let this mind be in you, which was also in Messiah Yeshua…” [Philippians 2:5]. How do we obtain the mind of Yeshua? If we don’t, then, we need to have our minds renewed to think like Him. Paul said, “And be renewed in the spirit of your mind…” [Ephesians 4:23].

    Hence, the only way to have the mind of our LORD is to engross ourselves in His Word. Our minds are wonderful instruments implanted in our bodies by our creator. We are wonderfully made [Psalm 139:14], so let’s put Him first place with our whole being!

    May the LORD bless you all as you labor in His Kingdom in these trying times we are all facing. May we all seek His Kingdom and His righteousness; for His glory and for His honor!

  17. foreverblessed says:

    Thanks Ron for sharing these things with us, I never heard of any of these sayings. And indeed, I have big question marks in my head.
    Wasn’t Jesus God before there was ever a man around on earth. Doesn’t He think like God does?
    But thanks for your blessings, let us glorify God for Who He is.

  18. Bob in Cornwall England says:


    Thanks for your concern!
    The sun is shining in Cornwall at the moment, but in north west England and south west Scotland there has been severe flooding. Over 12″ of rain in 24 hours and more to come. This is a Mountainous region and has many fast flowiing rivers. We have more storms to come!
    I will be off the air, so to speak,most of the weekend as I have lots to do.
    I have still to read Ron Ben Yaakov’s instructions he left me yesterday.
    I do feel this has now become the Ron Ben Yaakov show, although I am sure most of you agree with him, I feel some of you are becoming like the Pharisees of old and are failing to see the vision for this age and are stuck in a legalistic biblical past.
    Like was said yesterday, if we keep saying the world was literally created in six days, when both the Bible and the physical evidence do not support it, how will people believe us when we tell them the real reason and meaning of God’s word, that is, Yeshua, Messiah!
    King of Kings and Lord of Lords. Our Saviour.
    That is the only theme of and reason for the Bilble from Genesis 1:1 to Revelation 22:21
    “If I be lifted up I will draw men unto me!”

  19. SFDBWV says:

    Bob (in Cornwall),

    Must remember it is a blog about how Christ has and is affecting our lives. How He has changed us and how we all differently see and understand the scripture.

    We can all recognize truth when it is present. Each of us gets to have our say. Sometimes others see us as wrong in our beliefs, sometimes because of our courage others are strengthened and encouraged.

    NO ONE is without sin, and so has no right to condem another. We all have that one sin that we keep secret from others but God knows it and nothing is kept from Him.

    Peter was so filled with a desire to defend Jesus and follow his impulses that when they came to arrest Jesus, he tried to kill one of the guards. Yeah I know he cut off his ear, but I’ll bet he wasn’t aiming to just whack off an ear.

    Paul said that no matter how hard he tried to do right he kept doing wrong.

    Thomas would not believe Jesus had risen from the grave until he himself seen Him and put his hands into the wounds.

    After being filled with the Holy Ghost, Peter was to take the Gospel to the Gentiles, yet he went off to Babylon instead.

    All of these men, were human after all.

    Because of their successes and failures walking with Christ, I am encouraged when I fail and strengthened when I am weak.

    I can never be like Christ, tho I strive to. But I can certainly relate to the scoundrels and weak men Jesus chose to champion His cause.

    Praying for better weather over the British Isles


  20. My4Boys says:

    I would like to leave a little tidbit here for Bob. No, we are not here to ridicule, embarass, or condemn anyone. That is not what Yeshua has called us to do. As SFDBWV just posted, none of us is without sin. However, the instructions that Yeshua left for us were not just for the time that He was here on earth but also for us in the present.

    I am new to this blog and have enjoyed reading from all of you. God bless you all. Shalom

  21. poohpity says:

    It really helps if we read the comment guidelines before we post.

    I was thinking about TV preachers that make so much money because they do thing openly. Openly sounds so small compared with how they do things, lol. So according to those scriptures they are now receiving their reward. I feel that they elevate themselves so much using the name of Jesus. I wonder if they may lead people away from having that quiet one on one with the Master.

  22. SFDBWV says:

    Pooh, To add to your thoughts, I too have an attitude with some TV preachers. Not all and my attitude has to be in rememberance to their original intentions.

    A long time ago I used to enjoy watching “A Study in the Word” with Jimmy Swaggert and Frances, his wife.

    I also used to enjoy the 700 Club.

    I never, ever, liked PTL with Jim Baker and Tammy Fay.

    I could go on naming names but I am sure to offend someone in the doing

    One day while watching the opening of these shows I mentioned as well as some I didn’t. I noticed they never say….The Gospel of Jesus Christ, brought to you by “whomever”.
    They give themselves top billing every time. This bothered me.

    Then one day as I watched Jimmy Swaggart, he was pointing his finger out towards the TV and accusing people of not loving him unless they send in their money. He was also accusing other denominations of this and that. A big red flag came up in my spirit…”Satan the accuser” I never watched nor listened to him again, and as time went by, his sin found him a out and the rest is history.

    I learned over time that most of these people are charismatic and have a gift to make people believe they are “special”. That they start out preaching with all good intentions, but that somewhere in the process, the bigger their ministry got the more money they recieved and the whole thing became all about keeping the money coming in and not the message of Christ.

    It makes more sense to me knowing that only God can handle the praise and attention without getting swell headed about it. So to God goes the glory.

    People fail, people are weak and with all the attention and praise piled upon people, they suffer from many delusions that come with a swelled head.

    So we not only let Gods light outshine our own but hide behind it.


  23. poohpity says:

    Steve, don’t you feel that this fits so well with this topic as an example?

  24. wretch-like-me says:

    Dear Friends:
    I will not be able to post for a week or so. My wife and I are going to a family reunion. We realize that it may be the last time some of us see each other until Christ returns. With that in mind, I would appreciate your prayers that we may be used by God thru His Spirit to share the Salvation Message to those yet unsaved and rejoice with those who have made a commitment to follow Christ.

    My last update on Jim’s condition showed his kidneys were ‘waking up’ and he is responding to some verbal instructions. His breathing is virtually unassisted and his vital signs continue to improve minutely. He still has much to recover and faces a long rehabilitation.

    My brother-in-law, Dave, is doing well and situation appears to be headed in the right direction.

    I thank God continually for His Grace and Provision. I am humbled and strengthened by your acceptance and fellowship. I thank you, All, for your prayers.


  25. poohpity says:

    wlm, hope you have a wonderful time with your family and you will be certainly missed very much. You are a joy to hear from. Love Deborah

  26. Ron Ben Yaakov says:

    Shalom to all. Again, thank you all for sharing your hearts; however, there’s one important issue I need to share with you, which will require your decision-making. As I was reading through many of the comments, I, of course, couldn’t overlook Bob in Cornwall’s comment about me personally.

    Now, before I continue, here’s the comment from Bob:

    “I have still to read Ron Ben Yaakov’s instructions he left me yesterday.

    I do feel this has now become the Ron Ben Yaakov show, although I am sure most of you agree with him, I feel some of you are becoming like the Pharisees of old and are failing to see the vision for this age and are stuck in a legalistic biblical past.”

    First of all, I am not going to take up a lot of time by throwing darts at Bob. I will share some of my personal observations, however, but that’s the limit. I want you to know that it was, and never has been my intention to become part of this blog – to usurp anyone; only to be a blessing to everyone. I have a clear conscience of what I just said.

    Now, since this sarcasm is beginning to erupt, by accusing me of being the Ron Ben Yaakov show, as well as accusing my brothers and sisters in the LORD as “becoming like the Pharisees of old and are failing to see the vision for this age and are stuck in a legalistic biblical past,” rather than placing my brothers and sisters on the chopping block by one individual, I think it’s best to decline and not be responsible for these false accusations. I do know, however, where these false accusations derive from; I don’t have to go into details since I believe there are people on this blog that know what I’m talking about.

    I will say this; and I’m being candid: Bob in Corwall, you’re demeanor is not Christ-like! Your demeanor ascends from the pit of Hell. The short bit of time I’ve been involved with this lovely group of people; I’ve witnessed nothing but kindness and love pointed in your direction, including me; however, it’s obvious that you don’t know how to receive God’s love through people, nor do you know how to express any appreciation. Un-mitigated pride will only destroy you. The LORD makes it clear in John 3 that a man must be born again by the Spirit of God, else he will perish. Obviously, you’re not a person who is teachable, and that’s a sign of a person who is lost and on the road to destruction [Matthew 7:13].

    Bob, I don’t believe in trying to water things down. In this case, what I’ve said, I don’t intend to change. I will say this, however; I love you as my fellowman, but I don’t love the evil you are allowing to manifest through your life. Therefore, I will leave the warning with you: Repent or be cast in the Lake of Fire on Judgment Day [Revelation 20:11-15; 21:8].

    To reiterate, to the rest on this blog, including my brother Mart, who I highly respect and love beyond words, in order to prevent anymore embarrassment for you all, I have to decline in adding anymore of my comments. That’s how much I love you all.

    I leave you all with this blessing from God’s Word: “Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth” [3 John 2].

    Shalom, Shalom

  27. daisymarygoldr says:

    Mart, I don’t know about you but as for me, I do thank God from the bottom of my heart for this very sumptuous discussion and I feel so encouraged, fed and satisfied!

    Claudia, Thank you for sharing the doc’s story! It is a perfect example of how each one of us should use our God-given gifts and talents for His glory alone! And yes, the human mind is so short-sighted that at times we forget the “One” to whom the gift actually belongs. We get so preoccupied with our gifts and our selves that we tend take credit for our gifts to pat ourselves and one another on our backs… as you have rightly said!

    Shalom Ron Ben Yaakov. I can see that as you did before you have done it again by adding jewels from God’s Word to this blog topic! And it is my prayerful hope that if the Lord wills He may continue to use you to add jewels to this blog site for many more days to come. It is not a show of yours… this is a show of the gushing fountain of eternal life springing out from of those who drank the Living water- the Truth even the Word of God!

    Take this from someone who has survived in His strength as a lone trooper on this site for almost 2 years now…do what the Lord leads you to do but please, do not feel discouraged if your teaching is not accepted here…it is not your teaching and not your knowledge …this has been imparted to you as a gift of the Holy Spirit and all you do is to faithfully use it.

    Your part is to just speak the truth with love which is what you have been doing. Those who drink the water Remember what you said before…that we cannot expect everyone to accept. Those who have ears that hear will certainly listen and understand what the Holy Spirit says…

    My spirit absolutely agrees with everything you have shared on this page. You have approached this issue in the light of Rabbi Yeshua’s teachings in the Hebrew tongue. But then what about those out there who do not speak or understand Hebrew?

    I cannot speak for those who practice faith in modern churches here in this country and because of your dual citizenship you seem to understand them better than I do:) but I can certainly vouch for those in the body of Messiah, those with whom I have spent most part of my growing years… they are certainly in agreement with what you have said even though they do not speak Hebrew and are not Jews.

    And so, when I am looking at those same teachings of Jesus which the Holy Spirit has interpreted in the English language, Ron Ben Yaakov as I have said earlier, there is no clash, no doubts, no questions… what you have shared is crystal clear and does not in anyway refute what I have always known and understood about “doing the will” of God our Father! It was never about our wills, it was always all about Him and his eternal will!

    foreverblessed, it is okay to have questions and if you patiently wait on the Lord which means to pray, the Holy Spirit will certainly give you wisdom to understand everything you need to know!

  28. daisymarygoldr says:

    This is not about the ethnicity because we must not forget that Abraham, the first Jew was called out from among the Gentiles. Of his two sons, it was Isaac who was the Jew. Of Issac’s two sons, it was Jacob who was the Jew.

    What is it then, that defines a Jew? Those who chose to do the will of God and by faith served Him in His eternal Kingdom! So yes, it goes without a doubt to conclude that Jews do have a “special” purpose to fulfill for God’s Kingdom on this earth and we all know that purpose: salvation comes from among the Jews!

    The Apostle Paul, a Jew, has also said: “For he is not a Jew who is only one outwardly and publicly…But he is a Jew who is one inwardly…a spiritual and not a literal [matter].” (Rom 2:28-29) And that brings me to address the desire expressed by Bob in Cornwall: “I would love to be a brother of Messiah”. Bob, Jesus said whoever does the will of the God is my brother! Mark 3:35

    Father Abraham obeyed God’s call and came out from among his pagan people to be separate. In 2 Cor 6: 17 the Lord calls us to “come out from among unbelievers, and separate (sever) yourselves from them and touch not any unclean thing” And both Jesus who makes us holy and those of us who are holy all have one Father. “For this reason He is not ashamed to call them brother” Heb 2:11

    Ron Ben Yaakov, that is to affirm what you so rightly said: The term: “Let your light so shine…” refers to true-believers allowing God’s holiness to dominate their lives. Let us then let His light shine through us to first dispel the darkness that lies within us and then to “do” shine as lights to witness the Truth of His light in the world around us!

  29. poohpity says:

    If you have read in the past there have many of us who have decided not to post due to the hurt that others have caused. Although I have not had the time to read the longer of your posts what I have read is very interesting. I think bob in cornwall was addressing the length but whatever do not be faint hearted in posting. We all have the right to say what is on our hearts here. We all are learning but it helps to have thick skin which is really a shame since it is a Christian site.

  30. SFDBWV says:

    Ron Ben Yaakov, We have all had more than one turn at being attacked unjustly here in this public forum.

    If you continue to read you will see that there are some who are arogant, some who are bitter, some who are cold hearted. But all need to hear the Word discussed and you my friend have much to share with all of us.

    I am sure in your life time you have heard the expression, “When the going gets tough the tough get going.” Well Ron Ben Yaakov, get tough and don’t let anyone run you off. Would you turn and run from Satan or face him down?

    You will find that you have many friends here and many who are wanting you to stay.

    So friend stay for thoes of us who, are asking you to, Please.


  31. SFDBWV says:

    Daisy, Sister, do you really feel that you are “a lone trooper” here amogst the rest of us?

    Daisy, I want to help you. I really do. I hope that you don’t think that all the rest of us are not being Christ like and sharing the Gospel in our conversations with others.

    Please tell me that what you wrote is not what it implies.

    But rather that you “feel” alone not that, you alone are the “lone trooper.”


  32. poohpity says:

    The only time I have found that I alone, I can not speak about anyone else, have said anything against you was when you have called names and belittled other folks. So do not feel like you were being persecuted for any other reason at least from me. If there has been a time other than that I apologize with all my heart for harming you due to any other matter. Love Deborah

  33. jjhis says:

    To Post or not to Post. That is the question.
    I have decided to post in the hope that we may each find the love of Christ constraining us to love one another and to forgive one another.
    On the topic of apparent contradictions as well as the most recent postings, can we consider Galatians 6:2 “Bear one another’s burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ.” And then in verse 5 “for each will have to bear his own load(burden).”
    Once again today’s devotion in Our Daily Bread speaks to the need to reach out, lift up one another, and minister to each other “as good stewards of the manifold grace of God.”
    Gal. 5:25-26 says “If we live by the Spirit, let us also walk by the Spirit. Let us not become conceited, provoking one another, envying one another. I have been convicted of this attitude in myself and repent of the harm to my Lord Jesus Christ. May His Name be exalted by each of us.

  34. pegramsdell says:

    Competition is NOT Godly. This is not about who is the best, this is about conversation, deep thoughts, sharing, caring, praying, and being in one mind. The mind of Christ. I have enjoyed this blog. There is so much to learn and so much to share. I am very blessed to have found “Been Thinking About”. It is very challenging and never boring that’s for sure. Thanks Mart for your faithfulness.

  35. daisymarygoldr says:

    Let us not get diverted again by secondary issues. It is not about us or this blog. It is all about God. So, let us tune in to His Word to hear what He is trying to teach us about what it means to do let our lights shine in public and to do good deeds in secret.

    Steve, since you asked no, lone trooper is not what it implies. It was meant in the spiritual sense. You are much loved in the Lord.

    Deborah, please do not apologize as I have not been hurt by you or anybody else here in this blog. You are also much loved in the Lord.

  36. Ron Ben Yaakov says:

    Shalom to all my brothers and sisters. I have been praying since my last comment. I have also shared the situation with my wife who is my best friend next to Yeshua. She gives me good counsel, and, both her counsel and your counsel has energized my decision-making.

    I have read many of your replies to my decision earlier, and I very much appreciate your concern about my welfare; whether I got my feelings hurt; whether I intend to resist the devil and tell him to take a hike LOL! Humor has its place at times, and since I’ve been praying, I chuckle how Satan works; who think we are real dumbbells, that we don’t know what’s really taking place. But we do, don’t we?

    If I may, I wish to share my honest feelings with you by pointing each of us to the following information posted by the management of this blog. I’m referring to the “Comment Guidelines” which are precisely explained. No questions asked. They are as follows:

    Thank you for your interest in using this blog. To ensure that all users enjoy a positive experience, comments posted to the blog will be evaluated before they go “live.” Please familiarize yourself with the following RBC blog guidelines prior to posting your comments:

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    RBC reserves the right to add or change the above rules at any time.

    Okay, please don’t misunderstand me: Above are the stipulations designed by RBC ministries. I respect these stipulations, and if I am to be involved with this blog, I believe, not only should I, but others adding their comments should respect these stipulations as well. Isn’t this true? Caring it further; by respecting these stipulations, we are saying to Mart, “Mart, I’m going to respect this list to the best of my ability, and I am going to respect all others involved, whether I agree or disagree with their input.”

    You may or may remember when I shared with the group about embarrassing people, which, according to the sages, is like shedding one’s blood. That’s a no-no!

    Perhaps I sound as though I’m only rambling. If I come across this way, this is not my intention, and I apologize.

    Some think I got my feelings hurt, that I’m running away from the situation. Not so! I will tell you this: I have been in much more tighter situations than this; in fact, life-threatening situations; both in my police days, as well as in Israel. I could tell you some things that would make your skin crawl, but I don’t want to violate these stipulations given.

    Regarding your concern for my feelings, no, I’m not hurt! Not at all. You see, I love God’s Word. I love His Torah. Since I love Him and His Word, this means nothing that the devil throws at me through his emissaries is going to move me. King David said, “Great peace have they which love Thy Torah (Law); and nothing shall offend them” [Psalm 119:89].

    My greatest concern when I wrote last, was that I didn’t want to be used as an instrument to offend any of you. Does that make sense? I don’t want to be drawn into sin by a rebellious person who only wants to come on this blog and cause division. So, therefore, I believe the LORD would have me continue joining in with this precious group of people who love to share their hearts with one another. That’s my only objective in being a part of this group, and for no other reason.

    If anyone on this blog expresses any type of animosity, jealousy, revenge; you name it, my only plans are to ignore that person and be the light that Yeshua called me to be. Yeshua tells me in Matthew 10:14, “And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.” That, I intend to obey.

    Thank you for allowing me to share my heart with you, and thank you for ministering to me as well.

    Shalom and much love in Messiah,

    Ron Ben Yaakov

  37. Ron Ben Yaakov says:

    Shalom sister Claudia. Amen and amen. Thank you for your prayers and encouragement. I’m so glad the LORD takes unlearned people like me to minister His Word. I mean that sincerely. It’s such a privilege, as well as mind boggling to realize that the God of the universe, Yeshua Himself, has given us His precious Word to minister to the world that is in great need of salvation and deliverance from Satan and his demon strongholds.

    What I am about to say may sound far fetched; but since we are living in the last days, as well as not having a lot of time; I believe the Father is pouring His Spirit of wisdom, knowledge and understanding into those of us who are of a clean heart so we can share His Word. A clean heart radiates the light of Yeshua! This is the only way we can let the light of Yeshua shine through us, as well as to manifest good works – by having a clean heart: “Truly God is good to Israel, even to such as are of a clean heart” [Psalm 73:1]. The term “clean heart” in the Hebrew is rendered as “clean of heart.”

    In light of this message about a clean heart, we need to let people know; even on this blog, if they ever expect to go to be with the LORD, they have to be cleansed in the blood of Yeshua the Messiah: “Who shall ascend into the hill of the LORD? Or, who shall stand in His holy place? He that hath clean hands, and a pure heart; who hath not lifted up his soul unto vanity, nor sworn deceitfully” [Psalm 24:3-4].

    These verses are so precious and packed with power. When they come alive in my heart, I can’t wait to share them with others when the Master gives me the go ahead. I hope I’m making sense.

    I really look forward to more thoughts from brother Mart. He is truly a student of the Word. I’ve been following RBC ministries for years and years. Each time they minister the Word, no matter in what form, it’s always fresh and fulfilling.

    May the LORD bless you this weekend. Shabbat Shalom.

    Ron Ben Yaakov

  38. Becky M says:

    There is a blessing of learned people on this blog. Taught directly thru the Holy Spirit and sharing what they know. Sharing = love imo. Thank you for the edification and new knowledge I’ve learned just from reading.

  39. SFDBWV says:

    Ron Ben Yaakov, What a blessing it is to have good council. Your wife sounds very wise.

    The very first time I came on and spoke on the blog I was attacked for quoting Ghandi. The topic was about whether non christians hated or did not trust Christians.

    So keeping with the topic I quoted what a non christian has said concerning the matter.

    I too was confused and hurt by what was to me an unjust belittling spit toward me.

    No attempts to smooth over the matter by me helped.

    I have observed that the topic will often change complection as this is a conversation between people. People share their thoughts as well as their own personal experiances and so the thread of conversation often drifts away from it’s original topic.

    Mart allows and sometimes encourages this, if it gets too far out of hand as it sometimes does, he will edit or exercise his authority and get things back on line.

    This topic is about, what sounds as if, is a contradiction from Christ. We all have agreed it is no contradiction at all. But the continuing education Jesus has provided for us so that we can see matters from different angles. “Let their light shine before others, while also instructing us to not do our good works before others, and keep our faith secret.” As Mart ststed above.

    One of the amazing phenomena shown here on this blog, is how misinterpeted any statement or comment can be seen by people.

    So many times an explanation or clarification of a statement must be offered up.

    The thread of the past few topocs has been how do we respond to foolish people and do we see contradiction in the Scripture, as fools would try to convince us that there are.

    This multi layered subject has taken us through a learning journey. But because we are in a discussion with others, their personality comes through their comments and sometimes there are conflicts.

    We are after all, human.

    Jesus told us to turn the other cheek when we are insulted. He also said to shake the very dust from our feet when the message of the Gospel is rejected.

    So for me it seems that I can turn the other cheek, but there is a time, when the offender needs to know they are offensive.

    Daisy, please explain to me how you consider yourself to be the lone trooper on this blog for 2 years, spiritualy. I would like to know how all the rest of us fail in being equal with you in spiritual combat.


  40. Mart De Haan says:

    Good a.m., all,

    Have been out of state for a few days at a conference that I found very helpful. Sorry about posting too quickly on this last one. Was trying to keep interest up while away… but I interrupted your interest/conversation in the process. Sorry.

    Conversation has been good. Am sure that we all sense the hurt when we make self-protective statements about ourselves that reflect negatively on others, or when we characterize the motives and character of others.

    We all understand this already, but wish we could ramp up our awareness of the need to always speak respectfully of those we don’t agree with. Would like to keep everyone at the table– so that we can keep growing together.

    I’m convinced that the first half of the “let your light shine” contrast in the original post refers specifically to the attitudes Jesus just summarized in Matt 5:1-10. That kind of light will keep our relationships going.

    Am interested in the “contrast/apparent contradiction” that Saled mentioned in the above string. He cited:

    John 7:7 The world cannot hate you; but me it hateth, because I testify of it, that its works are evil.
    John 17:14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.

    I haven’t thought very much about this yet but agree that it seems to say that “the world cannot hate us/the world does hate us”. If any of you have time to dig into this would be interested in what you come up with.

    Thanks again for your input. Hope all will stay at the table… not so that we will never disappoint one another… but so that we will always be trying to find higher ground…together.

  41. SFDBWV says:

    Good mornig Mart, I still see the seeming contradictions as continued education from the Holy Spirit.

    What looks and sounds like a contradiction is the Spirit forcing us to look at different issues from a different angle or perspective.

    The world doesn’t hate me as long as I don’t come accross as alien or a threat to everything staying staus quo.
    But when I take on the nature of Christ and my actions and attitude show it, then because the world sees that as a threat, the world also hates me as it does Christ.

    Being different in a good and positive way, always gets attention and from worldly people…suspicion.

    How can love come from a suspicious non trusting heart?


  42. InHisHands says:

    Good morning!!!

    I have been following these comments and thinking about how to reply to the “To Do or Not To Do”, and as I was reading it seems that many of us have gone ‘off topic’, so I am going to, too.

    It was so refreshing to my spirit to read the information presented by Ron Ben Yaakov. To be able to read the information from the Hebrew mind is so very relavent for me. My understanding of Scripture is that the OT is the mystery of the coming Messiah and the NT is the revelation of the mystery’s completion. The Bible is HIS story (History) and must be accepted for the intent God has for it, to reveal Christ to fallen man and provide a way to restored them to Himself.

    The Scriptures are clear (very clear) that Israel are God’s chose people. I don’t believe that has changed, just the method of receiving salvation for our sins has differed from animal sacrifice to Once For All sacrifice of GOD in the flesh (Jesus Christ).

    I for one, love to hear about the Hebrew history so that I can understand how my precious Savior lived His life here on earth. There is so much we are not told from is 12th year to his 30th year – and knowing how life was at that time certainly can help to show how he developed and grew “in the sight of God and man.”

    For me (back on track, a bit) the seeming contridiction comes from the difference of ‘head knowledge’ and ‘heart knowledge’. Christ did not seek any fame from the good works He did, and so we are to follow that example. In the human realm, people are always looking at the outside and deciding, ‘oh, he/she is so good, look at all they do.’ God looks on the heart, why did they do those ‘good’ things. Who gets the glory, if we perform good works for the benefit of approval of men (humans)??

    Just some thoughts.

    May the Lord bless and keep you all, who love and serve Him.

  43. InHisHands says:

    p.s. It is still morning, here. LOL

  44. bubbles says:

    A thought about contradictions in the Word of God:
    When things appear to ‘contradict’ one another in our minds, that really gets our attention, and causes us to ruminate the principle over and over. It may cause us to dig deeper into the Word, or begin a conversation with another believer to obtain their point of view. While the Word of God is our only and final authority, I have always thought the Lord delights in His children meeting together and discussing His Word. Research tells us that higher levels of thinking occur when two individuals discuss a topic between themselves.

    It’s so interesting to ‘listen’ to what all of you have to say here. Mart’s thoughts are truly thought provoking.

  45. Ron Ben Yaakov says:

    Shalom to all. Again, I want to thank each of you for sharing your hearts. Just as you learn and glean from what I say, so I, in return, learn and glean from all that you say.

    I’m not sure when Mart will be presenting another feast of Scriptures, so I thought I would get in the “fast lane” again; LOL, and share some things that came to me from the Word regarding letting our light shine before men. And, although I won’t be mentioning that much about good works, which I already did beforehand, doesn’t mean the subject of good works isn’t present in the upcoming words I want to share with you.

    Yeshua said, “…I am the light of the world; he that followeth Me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.” The Pharisees therefore said unto Him, “Thou bearest record of Thyself; Thy record is not true” [John 8:12-13]. Pretty strong language: Calling Yeshua a liar! Some other words to consider would be an impostor, or a fraud.

    What did Yeshua do; how did He respond to His accusers? Then Yeshua turned again to the Scriptures, yes, to the Torah (Law) of Moshe (Moses). Why? It was an attempt to show them that He WAS the LIGHT of the world. He said,

    (15) Ye judge after the flesh; I judge no man. (16) And yet if I judge, My judgment is true; for I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent Me. (17) It is also written in your law (i.e., referring to the Oral law), that the testimony of two men is true. (18) I am one that bear witness of Myself, and the Father that sent Me beareth witness of Me [John 8:15-18].

    In light of this information above, there’s no doubt at least some of these Pharisees, scribes, and elders were present when Yeshua was baptized, and they heard God’s voice from Heaven when He said, “…This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased” [Matthew 3:17]. Yeshua declared that He was the Son of God – an expression of His deity – and the Father witnessed what His Son said. No doubt these same group of men witnessed the miracle of the water turned into wine at the marriage in Cana, they were present at the feeding of the five thousand, they saw the miraculous healing of the man who had been paralyzed for 38 years – but they still refused to believe!

    It was then that Yeshua said to them, “When ye have lifted up the Son of Man (an expression of His humanity) then shall ye know that I am He” [John 8:28]. And we who are members of His family, know, that when Yeshua was lifted up on the Tree, God DID testify! It was then that darkness covered the face of the earth, the veil in the Temple was rent from the top to the bottom, graves were opened and the bodies of the saints came out of the graves and walked the streets throughout Jerusalem! Glory to God: When men crucified the Son of God (those responsible were both Jews and Gentiles), the Father gave testimony that they could not deny.


  46. Ron Ben Yaakov says:

    Shalom. As we continue in the Word of God, we plainly see that Yeshua, our Light, claimed nothing less than that He Himself was the standard of measurement, the scales, and the test of character for all of mankind. By HIM all men are measured, by His character are all men weighed. He is the LIGHT that points to Heaven, and those who ignore that Light will walk in darkness, and spend eternity in the blackness of darkness forever.

    We can’t overlook the fact that many Israelites repudiated this claim. They called Him a liar. I can only imagine how that made Him feel, yet He didn’t give up on the world around Him. His false accusers boasted how they were the disciples of Moses, as well as the descendants of Abraham. The Pharisees, scribes, elders and chief priests had laid there own foundation for their faith, and in their own eyes they were superior to others in the favor of God. They were proud, arrogant, and self-righteous. When Yeshua said, “And ye shall know the Truth, and the Truth shall make you free,” they turned on Him like a pack of wild dogs and cried out, “WE be Abraham’s seed, and were never in bondage to any man! How sayest Thou, ‘Ye shall be made free?'” [8:32-33].

    Today, our society is full of compromising; including within the walls of the modern churches and Messianic congregations. I believe, if Yeshua would have reacted according to the religious customs of our day, He would have sidestepped the issue and thereby would have avoided conflict; but praise God, He didn’t believe or practice compromising, nor in “going along with the crowd,” so to speak. Instead, with firm insistence, He pressed home His claims:

    (39)…If ye were Abraham’s children, ye would do the works of Abraham. (40) But now ye seek to kill Me, a Man that hath told you the Truth, which I have heard of God; this did not Abraham…(41) Ye do the deeds of your father…Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do” [John 8:39-44 in part].

    It’s understandable why they so uplifted Abraham. He was indeed a great man, the “friend of God.” But One greater than Abraham was present with them now. Abraham was only a man; Yeshua was the God-Man, the virgin-born Son of God. In the presence of Yeshua, the Light of the World; the Light He gave to shine through us, humanity can only humble itself and worship, for humanity cannot be compared with Deity!

    Years later, the Apostle John sums up the whole Gospel message by yielding to the Holy Spirit; hence, giving the apostolic testimony to his personal witness of Yeshua, and also by the other disciples:

    (1) That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of Life; (2) (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us.) (3) That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us; and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with His Son Yeshua the Messiah. (4) And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full. (5) This then is the message which we have heard of Him, and declare unto you, that GOD IS LIGHT, and in Him is no darkness at all. (6) If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth; (7) but IF WE WALK IN THE LIGHT, as HE IS IN THE LIGHT, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Yeshua the Messiah His Son cleanseth us from all sin [1 John 1:1-7].

    By paraphrasing it, here’s what I believe the Apostle is saying: “That which we saw, that which we heard, that which we handled concerning Him, proved to us that He was God manifested in the flesh.” Plain and simple!

    And since they had seen Him, heard Him, touched Him, they declared, “This is the message which we received from Him…God is Light, and in Him is no darkness at all!”

    Praise the LORD: The entrance of the Word gives us the Light Yeshua sheds upon His people. Apart from hearing, believing, and receiving the Word, there IS NO LIGHT, there is NO ETERNAL LIFE! He who hears and believes the Word has everlasting life. Why? Because the Word ushers light into our beings; and, we shall not come into judgment, but we will pass from the darkness of death – Satan’s kingdom – into the Kingdom of Light – the Kingdom of God’s dear Son [Colossians 1:13].

    There’s so much more to touch on, but I need to stop here. I look forward to Mart adding more of his thoughts to the next “fast lane” :-). Blessings to all my brothers and sisters in Messiah Yeshua! I love you all very much.

    Ron Ben Yaakov

  47. poohpity says:

    The issue about the world hating Christ because he accuses it of sin (John 7:7) and (John 17:14) states because of the commands that Jesus gave us we do not fit into the world just as Christ did not. Today I ran into the life application to the meaning of this.

    It is so easy to say we love others( command) yet in our zeal to be Christ like we may push others away by having a Holier than thou attitude and that is really our behavior pushing folks away. If you really think about it being loving reflects many behaviors like patience, joy, gentleness, slow to get angry and the rest of the fruit of the spirit. Displaying those behaviors does tend to make people smile and want to be around you but when they start talking to you and the name of Christ is even mentioned the bristles go up. Then they push one away.

    I wonder if it is not more than the hatred of Christ but what we have done to the name of Christ as His disciples. It is true that those that are consumed by the pleasures of this world resent us for what we stand for but I would argue that we have also made a bad name for Christ through harsh behavior. So that would be a personal area we might look at.

    Today I ran into the hate/scorn of the world. I have magnetic signs on my car that say, “God wants you to know Him, read the bible. Honk if you need one.” The car next to me honked and so I pulled over and asked if they could use a bible. She said, “no I was just testing my horn then began to laugh”. So the world does reject the truth in more ways than one. I guess it is like a kid who gets their hand caught in the cookie jar. The sad thing is they are really rejecting pure Love. Go figure!!!

  48. carlj says:

    As I think about the “truth in tension” it causes me to marvel at God’s greatness and wisdom. He is not concerned about being misunderstood as a result of seemingly contradictions or possibly providing fodder to those who look for opportunities to disprove because He knows His absolute truth will prevail.

    It makes me think of how He created man and woman and even with the differences that He orchestrated between them as a married couple that results in friction and “tension”, He knows that it is necessary as His plan works for good in each one’s spiritual growth and development.

  49. plumbape says:

    Hey Ron Ben Yaakov, where does it say that the graves opened up and the saints walked the streets of Jerusalem? I was following you fairly well there but you lost me on that one. Mind you at the end of some of my plumb crazy days I’m doing well to remember hot is on the left and cold is on the right.lol

    Mart, enjoyed and agree about, “wish we could ramp up our awareness to always speak respectfully to those we don’t agree with”…! We may disagree with someone due to misunderstanding them, let’s keep the fools at the table also! I love everybody!!! Jesus is worthy Amen

  50. Ron Ben Yaakov says:

    Shalom plumbape. Thank you for your question: “where does it say that the graves opened up and the saints walked the streets of Jerusalem?” I encourage you to turn to the the Gospel of Matthew, chapter 27. In this chapter we read about the crucifixion and death of Yeshua on the Tree. Starting in verse 50:

    (50) Yeshua, when He had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost. (51) And, behold, the veil of the Temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent; (52) and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, (53) and came out of the graves AFTER His resurrection, and went into the HOLY CITY (referring to Jerusalem), and appeared unto many [Matthew 27:50-53].

    This incident is found only in Matthew’s Gospel. These mentioned who arose from their graves after Messiah’s resurrection, I believe to be Old Testament saints. They were firsthand witnesses to Messiah’s victory over death.

    I apologize, since I usually include scriptural references when I share my comments. Hope this helps.

  51. phpatato says:

    The Sermon on the Mount (Matt 5:1-10) sets standards for followers of Christ to live by. They may seem impossible to live by but through the power of the Holy Spirit, they can be lived up to. When we adopt these standards, we become like Christ who is the Light of the world. We show the world what God Himself is like just by what we do and say and how we react to things in life.

    John 7:7 and John 17:14

    The book of John records mainly what Jesus said. There are no parables in it. Most of the events recorded take place in and around Jerusalem; at the times of various festivals. Could it be that Jesus adopted a different teaching method because it was the religious center; the place where there was conflict with religious authorities? Jesus had scorching criticisms of their man-made traditions and attacked the hypocrisies these religious men lived. As a result, he was hated by them.
    John 7:7: “the world cannot hate you [[because then it would hate it’s own]], but it hates me because I testify that what it does is evil”.
    And again in John 15:18: “If the world hates you, you know that it has hated Me before it hated you”.

    Because we are living and becoming more like Christ, we are no longer part of this world. The world will/does hate us. We are different. We are His light in a dark world. We are not here to pursue the same objects as those around us. We are here to glorify God. We have accepted Jesus as Lord and Saviour and believe in His word the Bible. We have eternal life and will live with Him in heaven.
    John 17:14: “I have given them your word and the world has hated them, for they are not of the world any more than I am of the world.
    John 15:19 “If you were of the world, the world would love its own; but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, because of this the world hates you.

    As a Christian, I want to follow Him. I want to do what He said, go where He leads, follow His example and enter into the life He offers. I am willing for the world to hate me.

  52. phpatato says:

    Ron Ben Yaakov …..

    WOW !! That is the first time I really really read what plumbape questioned. I guess that after Jesus died, I shut down. It never really sank in what happened after.

    Thank you for opening up my eyes to these verses. Thank you plumbape for asking the question. Man I love this site :-)

  53. Bob in Cornwall England says:

    I am so sorry to have caused such a reaction from you. It was not intended. I appolagise unreservedly.
    It is very difficult for us in Britain to understand the extent of Christian belief in the USA.
    Our cultures, on the surface, seem so similar, but in truth we are polls apart.
    Yes I do find it difficult to except love, my parents were old when I was born and found it difficult to show emotion. I was never hugged by them etc.
    I have read all your blogs and comments to myself and take them on board and have asked God to forgive me and to show me how to “put to death” the old man so that I may become what He created me to be.
    This may sound off topic but we have to die in order to live. The least, to be the greatest etc.
    I had all kinds of thoughts this morning (midday Sunday here)but Marts comment helped me to see more clearly.

    “Conversation has been good. Am sure that we all sense the hurt when we make self-protective statements about ourselves that reflect negatively on others, or when we characterize the motives and character of others.

    We all understand this already, but wish we could ramp up our awareness of the need to always speak respectfully of those we don’t agree with. Would like to keep everyone at the table– so that we can keep growing together.”

    I would like to stay at this table if you will still have me.
    God has given you a gift Ron.
    I am reminded of the woman that said to Jesus that even the dogs are allowed scraps from the table.


  54. saled says:

    Thank you to those who have put their time and thought into the John 7:7 and John 17:14 question. Let me also ask this: are those that Jesus is speaking to in 7:7 the same as those that he is speaking of in 17:14? And this; who is the world that he speaks of? Is it the same world that he mentions in John 3:16? I love the Bible, especially the book of John. These are questions that I ask myself as I read. I so apppreciate the input from all of you here at Been Thinking.

  55. SFDBWV says:

    Thank you again Ron Ben Yaakov, for sharing with us, all the love and knowledge you possess.

    Your love of Christ and His Word comes through loud and clear.

    This morning as I stood out in the cold, looking at the overcast sky and watched as a lone deer stood only a few yards from me. I thought about how the light of God shines all around me.

    How all of creation speaks about a creator. Every blade of grass, every tree that sleeps through the winter, even there in the dark of the early morning, the light of God shown brightly.

    This web site, has been such a blessing to me. It is through this medium that God’s light also shines. But shines in that special way that God wants. Out through us, His children. In such a way that the lights becomes one light.

    Paul was right when he said, without love, nothing matters.


  56. SFDBWV says:

    Bob in Cornwall, I wanted to let you know that I am a believer in a 6 day creation.

    I can go into a long scientific explanation as to why I believe this, but God did a better job.

    In Genesis at the conclusion of each day of creation. God said “and the evening and the morning were the _ day.” The first day the second day and so forth. Evening and morning. One rotation of the earth, one day.

    Bob, don’t let yourself get trapped by the worlds concept of knowledge. God created everything that exists out of nothing. He alone holds it all together.

    If He said He created all of the universe, earth and life, as we know it in 6 days and rested on the 7th. Just believe it, don’t try to understand it from the worlds view.

    There are plenty of web sites you can get creation information from.

    Glad to see you got your computer issues straightened out and able to remain here.


  57. foreverblessed says:

    John 7:7 and John 17:4
    I agree wtih Phpatato, Christ is speaking to different groups,
    -in chaptre 7 to his brothers (his literal brothers), they had not yet chosen for Him. And as far as we know only one brother chose to follow Jesus, (Galatians 1:19) James, and the book of James is written by him.
    -in chaptre 17 to His own disciples who were soon to be the apostles, the first in the church to come.

  58. foreverblessed says:

    To go on with the first group, it was those who do not believe in Him, to those Jesus did say: the world cannot hate you,
    because it says in John 7:5-7:
    For even His own brothers did not believe in Him. Therefore Jesus told them…the world cannot hate you..

    The second group, the disciples, did believe in Jesus by the time they arrived in John 17.

  59. xrgarza says:

    Good morning all,

    When we speak of contradiction and the Bible it is quite easy to see especially if you are new to Christianity.

    By that I mean, that if you are being taught a biblical principle and then notice a long time Christian doing the exact opposite or different than what was taught to you, you will in fact question or be confused.

    Now we all know that the Devil is the author of all confusion, but by the same token when the Spirit leads you, you are not under the law.

    When Jesus healed the blind man by putting mud in his eyes one; that had never been done before and two; I don’t think that it has been done since. So to say that it was not from God because it never happened before or since could lead to some confusion.

    Secondly that particular miracle was also done on the Sabbath, I could be wrong on this, but I do know of a miracle that was performed on a Sabbath, and the people of that day were just stunned that Jesus would do such a thing. Jesus was not only teaching He was also living at a higher level.

    As I mentioned in an earlier post, the rules in my home eventually turned into principles, at first my kids were like “Dad?” what are we doing is this ok? But once they understood it was a no brainier.

    Mart thanks for making this table available, I’m in and staying!

    God Bless

  60. SFDBWV says:

    Xavier, If I remember rightly either all or most all of Jesus’s miracles were done on the Sabbath. Christ being the Lord of the Sabbath, shown all, He set the standard and rule. That what was nessesary in he OT was now fulfilled by the coming of the Christ.

    There are many “clashes between OT law and custom and NT doctrine. This doesn’t present contradictions but further explains Jesus’s place as being Messiah and the fullfillment and purpose of OT doctrine.

    The whole purpose of animal sacrifice and the death of innocent creatures was to set the stage for one sacrifice,”Once and for all”

    Just some thoughts.


  61. daisymarygoldr says:

    Bob in Cornwall, been specially praying that God’s Spirit may help you sense the fatherly concern in Ron Ben Yaakov’s comments to you and I am so thankful that the Lord has brought you back to the table! Don’t ever call yourself a dog because now you are a child of God through Jesus Christ His Son. God’s truth does hurt and offend our sinful flesh but it is the only scalpel that kills as you said our old nature to ultimately produce a spiritually live and healthy soul. Bob, you are greatly loved by one and all over here! Welcome back to the blog!

    Another good round of discussion and I enjoyed all the comments. Not sure, if this is out of topic but in response to Mart’s second post, I am convinced that light in “let your light shine” clearly refers to holy, righteous and moral living. The Word of God is a lamp to our feet and light to our path. So when we read God’s Word His light that is the truth shines into our dark lives.

    If we simply read and not do what the Word tells us to do, then it is intellectual head knowledge. When we obey God’s word and follow it that is heart knowledge. We begin to walk as children of light (Eph 5:8) to practise righteousness which means moral excellence (Matt 5:16 Amp) or holiness.

    Personally, in my life I do not make a conscious effort to follow the attitudes of Jesus… His spirit living within me produces those attitudes when I obediently yield myself to His sanctifying work. Maybe we are saying the same thing but with a different perspective.

    Regarding “the world cannot hate us/the world does hate us”…. I agree with Claudia and forverblessed. In John 7:7, Jesus addresses His skeptical brothers who were still in darkness and had challenged Him “to do” miraculous works publicly. As long as we live in darkness the world which also lies in darkness cannot hate us.

    When we accept God’s Word into our lives then His light shines to expose the works of darkness both in us as well as in others around us. And so, a Christian will not continue to sin but will readily confess to be cleansed of his sins. That is the sanctifying work of the Spirit that makes us pure and holy.

    It is then that our lights shine and it is only then the world that loves darkness, does hate us. In John 17:14, Jesus is addressing His disciples who had decided to forsake the dark world and follow the Light!

    Now, if as a Christian I continued to lead a sinful life it will not radiate the light of Jesus. Sin and holiness cannot coexist just like light and darkness cannot commune. If willful sin exists in the temple of my body, the Holy Spirit does not abide but gets quenched.

    A life that is compromised with dark evil deeds of the world will not shine and will not expose dark deeds to provoke hatred among unbelievers. That is why we need the constant cleansing by the water of God’s Word.

    “For every wrongdoer hates (loathes, detests) the Light…lest his (evil) works be exposed and reproved… but he who practices truth comes out into the Light; so that his works may be plainly shown to be what they are–wrought with God [divinely prompted, done with God’s help, in dependence upon Him].” (John 3: 20-21).

  62. daisymarygoldr says:

    We must also remember that it is not our light, and start to feel proud about ourselves to take credit for our lights. Without Jesus, I see myself as simply the wick of the candle/lamp or the metal filament inside the electric bulb! It is the light of Jesus who lives within us and it is Jesus and His truth which offends the world.

    And yes, when we are hated for the sake of righteousness it also means we will be hurt and not be respected. But if we are completely dead to self and consider ourselves as merely the wick or the filament, then we will never be offended for the sake of Christ regardless of the accusing stones and painful barbs of hatred.

    So for some of us who are so bent on being respected… and love to keep nursing our hurts, it is time to grow up and that is not just speaking about getting hurt or not be respected on this blog. If Jesus had remained focused on being respected and not be hurt then you and I will not be conversing on this blog!

    If Stephen and the other Apostles as well as all of the early Christians had remained preoccupied with gaining respect and feared being hurt by their societies, then today we would not have seen the light of the gospel!

    And to relate to our present times, some of our brothers in other places of the world who are displaying such maturity… do not care about earning respect or getting hurt… to the point of laying down their lives for their lights to shine in the dark corners of their world!

    As long as we remain unequally yoked with unbelievers to form mismatched unholy alliances with the dark world and comfortably compromise rather than stand up for the truth, we will be loved and accepted by the world. When light has fellowship with darkness, where is the chance for hatred or hurt?

    And honestly, if as a Christians we are not experiencing hatred or hurts for the sake of Christ, then we are not true believers. That is then a mark of a compromised, carnal and lukewarm Christianity!

    At some point every believer has to decide to choose between living in the light or darkness…it cannot be both because God clearly calls us to come out and be separate.”Let us then cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God” (2 Cor 7:1).

    God’s absolute truth divides to draw the demarcating line that contradicts/contrasts children of light vs. the children of darkness. All who desire to live godly in Christ Jesus will be hated (2 Tim 3:12) and “Do not be surprised and wonder, brethren, that the world detests and pursues you with hatred.” 1 Jn 3: 13. Just some of my random thoughts…

  63. xrgarza says:


    Exactly, thank you.


  64. Ron Ben Yaakov says:

    Shalom Bob in Cornwall. I can’t speak for Mart or anyone else on this blog, but I’m sure they will agree with what I am about to say. First of all, I accept your apology with open arms. Know this: You are loved, and you are a member of this family! I’m still new on this blog; but I believe Mart would give me the freedom to say: Hey, your chair is still there! Have a seat and enjoy the fellowship of the brethren: “Behold, how good and how pleasant it is for brethren to dwell together in unity!” [Psalm 133:1]. We can’t have unity unless the Master is in the center of our discussions. Praise God!

    As I read your message, I find myself in your shoes. For example, and I’m being honest, I too was raised in a disfunctional family. Please don’t misunderstand me; I’m not pronouncing judgment on your parents. Not by any means. This is how Satan works: Destruction, division, bondage, etc. I do want to, however, to encourage you to forgive your parents. It may take time for the old programming to go away, but God’s timing is not our timing.

    I relate to some of your comments. This is the joy we all experience who come from unloving families: “When my father and my mother forsake me, then the LORD will take me up” [Psalm 27:10]. This Scripture is a good example of how the sins of the fathers are passed down to their descendants. In other words, your parents, most likely, experienced the same isolation and loneliness. But what will break this? The LORD! When He comes into our lives, He sets us free: Free to forgive, to love, and to follow Him wherever He leads us. The Scriptures I want to share with you are lengthy, but precious:

  65. Ron Ben Yaakov says:

    Shalom Bob in Corwall. The Prophet Isaiah penned these Scriptures, pointing to Messiah Yeshua:

    (1) The Spirit of the LORD God is upon Me; because the LORD hath anointed Me to preach good tidings unto the meek; He hath sent Me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound; (2) to proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn; (3) to appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the LORD, that He might be glorified…” [Isaiah 61:1-3].

    When you go to the Gospel of Luke, 4:18-21, you read the very words of Yeshua who told His listeners that the day He read from this same portion of the book of Isaiah, that was the day those Scriptures were fulfilled. Today, Bob, these Scriptures are fulfilled in your life, in my life, and in the lives of Mart and others who belong to this family. Oh, if God’s family would only take hold of these jewels!

    I realize traditions, cultures, and beliefs can force in wedges between believers, but we need not allow this to happen. We must go on and tell Satan to take a hike and go where Yeshua sends him and his henchmen. All this to say, and I close: I’m so glad you’re back, my brother.

    In His love and grace,

    Ron Ben Yaakov

  66. foreverblessed says:

    DMG explained some more of us being hated, because we shine the Light of Christ and Light will expose darkness, the world does not want to see its sin.

    I was going to write that:
    Those who have faith in Christ will be hated by the world.
    But that same faith in Christ is also our shield.
    1 Peter 1:5 who through faith are shielded by God’s power until the coming of the salvation..
    So do not be afraid to believe in Christ, that same faith is protecting us.
    1 John 4:4 You, dear children, are from God and have overcome them, because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world.

    (and I am talking of a living faith, a faith that produces fruit)

    And in looking for this line in the bible: the One in us is greater than the one in the world,
    I came across this verse which I have been looking for so long:
    1John 3:19-20
    This then is how we know that we belong to the truth, and how we set our hearts at rest in his presence 20whenever our hearts condemn us. For God is greater than our hearts, and he knows everything.

    I really do want to share that with you, allthough it is out of topic, that God is bigger than our hearts, when we condemn ourselves. (also for you Bob in Cornwell)

    If you read 1 John 3:10 and right onto 4:6, so much is said to lead us. God’s word is indeed a light on our path, a lamp for our feet:
    3;10 3 Do not marvel, my brethren, if the world hates you. 14 We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love the brethren. ..
    4:1-6 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, 3but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.
    4You, dear children, are from God and have overcome them, because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world. 5They are from the world and therefore speak from the viewpoint of the world, and the world listens to them. 6We are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us; but whoever is not from God does not listen to us. This is how we recognize the Spirit of truth and the spirit of falsehood.

    So very very nice that we are around the table, we can love each other even if on some points that are not essential we have different views.

    Read this this morning:
    John 12:2
    Here a dinner was given in Jesus’ honour. Martha served, while lazarus was among those reclining at the table with him (with Jesus)
    We are like Lazarus, at the table with Jesus, and all of us have been raised from death to life, reclining with Him. All together.

  67. foreverblessed says:

    Thanks Ron Ben, and Bob in Cornwall, you show this:

    We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love the brethren. 1 John 3:14
    Thank you so much,
    Thank God that it is His Grace like a river which flows through us, cleaning us. Shouldn’t we show grace to each other, yes we do!

  68. foreverblessed says:

    Sorry for going on,
    Spurgeon wrote for tonight:
    I would have you believe that Christ rose from the dead so as to sing of it, and derive all the consolation which it is possible for you to extract from this well-ascertained and well-witnessed fact

    To know a crucified Saviour as having crucified all my sins, is a high degree of knowledge; but to know a risen Saviour as having justified me, and to realize that he has bestowed upon me new life, having given me to be a new creature through his own newness of life, this is a noble style of experience: short of it, none ought to rest satisfied. May you both “know him, and the power of his resurrection.” Phil 3:10

    We can shine as lights because we know the power of His resurrection.

  69. kittylynx says:

    Hello from the Pacific Northwest and Washington state.

    Please forgive my talking about my personal experience here.

    Often I feel torn between wanting to make my faith clear, and expressing myself as a Christian example, and then realizing how horribly inadequate I am at both.

    Friday evening, I was at a Twelve Step meeting (that is AA to you that may not be familiar) and I received some very nice compliments. My thought was that this was a great forum and format to point to God as source of any “win” any of us have. And so I said so. I don’t care that some people are afraid to hear but I also want to be sensitive to those that would be driven away by what may appear to be proselytizing. I want to give God the glory for all. By the same token, my father is an atheist and I pray and hope that somehow he may come to stop being so afraid of allowing God into his life through Jesus the Christ. I don’t want to say too much and yet I feel bad at not expressing it all enough.

    I know that it is in God’s hands but I don’t want to miss opportunities that I should take. And so I just have to remember that what happens is of God, if I keep talking with Him. I just want to remember to always lean into His love.

    Thanks for sharing and hearing.

  70. daisymarygoldr says:

    kittylynx, thank you for sharing and you have expressed yourself well! All of us are inadequate of and by ourselves and hence we depend on God the source of any win as you rightly pointed out. When we witness the truth to others with as you said the love of Christ, they will be all the more drawn to the peace that we enjoy in Jesus Christ.

    Those who love their sins more than they love God will naturally misunderstand it as proselytizing. Who knows someday even your own atheist father will believe God when he sees His miraculous transformation of your life? My father was also a young rebellious atheist before he was won for Christ by the light of an unbelievably transformed and cleaned-up life of another sinner-turned-saint in Christ!

    Keep believing and have hope in Jesus…you and your father are in my prayers…

  71. kittylynx says:

    Thank you, daisy, for your comments. My dad is 92 and at times seems to want to believe but his mind is so set on intellectualizing everything. He has at least slowed down his negative commentary regarding all things Christian.

    I hope he has not, as they say, hardened his heart past the point of turning, and yet I know all things are possible through Christ, and that there is hope for him. It probably will come in the form of prayer for him and so I say thank you again for this.

  72. Ron Ben Yaakov says:

    Shalom Kittylynx. I appreciate your words, as well as your sensitivity to those who are reading your testimony.

    If I may call you Kitty: Never feel like there’s no one here to listen to you. I’ll tell you why. Years ago, I heard an old minister say, and I don’t remember his text; he said, “The best remedy for a troubled soul is a listening ear.” I had to think about that for a long time; since I believed, and still believe that Yeshua is the best remedy for a troubled soul. I don’t doubt that this minister believed the same way; however, I see his point as pointing to a troubled soul in relationship to our fellow brothers and sisters. It is “the best remedy” humanly speaking. I hope I’m making sense.

    If we, as brothers and sisters in the LORD don’t have the time of day to listen to our troubled brethren, so to speak, then, we fall into the class of hypocrites. Like the Pharisees, Yeshua said they laid heavy burdens on the people: “For they (Pharisees) bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men’s shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers” [Matthew 23:4].

    I know that’s strong language, but I include myself. We better not fall into this category, for which many are today in Christendom. They can dish-out the advice, but they go on building their own utopias. Woe unto you scribes, Pharisees, hypocrites! Get the point?

    This is what this blog is all about: We begin listening to Mart, Mart listens to us, and we listen to each other. What Mart gives us to do research on is not a burden, but a delight. What we interpret the Scriptures to say is not a burden, but a delight. And, those who are burdened, and are sharing their troubles/burdens on this blog, are not burdens for us, but a delight. I say a delight, since it’s a delight to minister to the hurts of our brothers and sister.

    I refuse to accept the motto that came out some years ago. Some of may not remember, but there was a book that came on the market entitled: “Im okay. You’re okay!” Humanistic to the hilt is my description of this doctrine of demons. When I was in police work, humanism and other views I’ll not mention, were dominated our society. I can see that it’s much worse now, but I’m about to close. When one of us is troubled; carrying a burden to heavy to carry; of course, we need to cast all of our anxiety,cares upon Him: “Casting all your care upon Him; for He careth for you” [1 Peter 5:7]. But this is where many folks within the walls of the modern Church miss the boat, if you will. They completely and intentionally ignore the commandment: “Bear ye one another’s burdens, and so fulfil the Law (Torah) of Messiah” [Galatians 6:2]. I could really take-off there, but this should suffice.

    Let’s not practice this other gospel, “Im’okay. You’re okay!” Let’s not practice what James warned us about in his epistle: “And one of you say unto them, ‘Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled;’ notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?” [James 2:16]. The principal we find here is pushing people away. Yes, we can neglect people who are hungry, homeless, and without clothes, but we also neglect people who are troubled in their souls by saying, “be warmed and filled….”

    LORD Yeshua, help us not to neglect anyone who is in need, whether in be in body, soul, or spirit. In Yeshua’s name we pray. Amen.

    May His grace and peace be with you Kitty as you labor in His Kingdom in these trying times.

    In His love and grace,

    Ron Ben Yaakov

  73. SFDBWV says:

    Kittylynx, You have came to the right place, sharing your pain here, you will find that most will try to comfort you and ease your burden.

    Don’t give up on your dad, I am sure Christ is at work on Him and now you have a large family of prayer warriors to aid in your own prayers.

    Bob, in Cornwall, let us know you are ok.


  74. SFDBWV says:

    Ron Ben Yaakov, I was encouraged that you too believe that we are living in the final days. Though I can see the evidence of it, I just like hearing others agree. And I do respect your thoughts and comments.


  75. Ron Ben Yaakov says:

    Shalom Steve. Thanks for your comments. Regarding the last days, you’ve pushed my joy button, so to speak. I love to discuss the last days. I hope Mart adds this to his “Been Thinking” curriculum someday. Talk about filling the pages, I don’t think I would be alone; however, I’m sure some feathers would get ruffled-up when we share our beliefs regarding eschatological matters.

  76. Bob in Cornwall England says:


    Thank you for just being there. I think it was Daisy that said you are just being a father figure, and I thank you for that. I lacked a strong father figure and the Holy Spirit seemed to show you that when you talked about hating parents etc. At my Baptism at 16 I stood up and confessed in front of my mum and dad (that’s how we spell mom over here) that I couldn’t honour my mother and father. So it seems the root of my identity (sexuality) stems from this point. My mum and dad were caring and I had a wondeful childhood, but neither could show affection, so I find it hard to show to. I have one Father, who is in heaven, but I thank you again for taking the time to care.

    I am making a fatal mistake at the moment by trying to have one foot in each camp. I don’t seem to fit in with Christians and the church (infact I have not attended church for some time) I feel more comfortable in the pub and can relate to the fishermen and “normal people” better than with “God’s” people.

    I thank you for sharing about AA, I often wonder if I should attend such meetings. (Big step)

    I also feel we are at the end times and sat with Jean Darnell in the 70’s when she had her vision of the outpouring of the spirit over Britain and Europe. 40 years ago now, God works in 40 year cycles :-)

    Yes Ben, I am 56 years old, so no spring chicken, but you were so right to address me as a son. Thank you again.


  77. kittylynx says:

    Thank you for your responses to what I wrote earlier today. It was wonderful. I do live in the promises of Jesus and that He is not willing that any should perish. Maybe my dad can come around in spite of himself.

    Having this forum is really uplifting. It helps arm me for the onslaughts of the devil. I am not trying to drift into “Christian-ese” vernaculaar but sometimes it really does fit! It is easy to be lulled into complacence and procrastination and this site cdan be a direct avenue to accuntability. In the long run, being clear feels better anyway.

    In Jesus Name, thank you…

  78. kittylynx says:

    Wow, Claudia, God bless your brother. It sounds like He has! I got to work in an inpatient treatment center for 18 years and I got so much out of it. People in trouble are ripe for finding the Lord. (Although sometimes they go the other way.) I got to talk about God, although sometimes it was only an introductory reference to finding their “Higher Power” but many times people were looking deeper and found or re-found Jesus the Christ.

  79. kittylynx says:

    Hi, Bob in Cornwall, remember that Jesus probably “felt” more comfortable with the folks in the pub too and the fishermen. And with those traitor-tax collectors. He didn’t hang out with the fancy-schmancy gentry, unless they were able to be humble. You don’t have to have a foot in each camp. God is everywhere you go even right this moment, right here! He is there when people are not acting very well too. I think fishermen and normal people can be God’s people at the same time. So, come on over, you’re invited and it doesn’t cost anything. If you think you should, go to AA. Find meetings that have God in them and aren’t afraid to talk about it. In Jesus’ Name….

  80. Bob in Cornwall England says:

    Thanks Kitty
    It is 4am here and I can’t sleep, another storm raging outside.
    AA here are not allowed to mention God, all those pc and anti anything laws we have in our country.
    I know we should all be expounding scripture on here, but sometimes it is just good to share.
    Take care.

  81. kittylynx says:

    God is talking to you Bob.

  82. Ron Ben Yaakov says:

    Shalom Bob in Cornwall. Again, may I share the truth with you? May I ask you some personal questions; and, may I be totally honest with you? I believe you would say yes, so I’ll proceed.

    Where’s Messiah in all of this? We have a God, Yeshua the Messiah, who came down to this earth in the form of a babe; born of a virgin; began preaching the Gospel at approximately 30 years of age; was betrayed for 30 pieces of silver; arrested, beaten, mocked, spit upon, forced to carry a heavy Tree through the streets of Jerusalem to Mount Golgatha where He was nailed to that Tree.

    And, as He hung there on that Tree, before He gave up the Ghost, He said, “Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do!” Then, He died, was buried in a borrowed tomb that was never used. The Bible said He was buried, then, He was resurrected after 3 days and 3 nights. He lives! He is in Heaven, seated on the right hand of God, interceding for all of us who belong to Him.

    Bob, with God’s love, I say this: You are obviously bound with self-pity and unforgiveness! If I didn’t care for you and your eternal welfare, I wouldn’t waste the time of day, but the truth needs to be said: Repent before it’s too late! I’m not there to see how you conduct your life. But God knows! I can only go by what you are writing on this blog. What you are writing doesn’t line-up with Scripture; doesn’t describe a true believer in Yeshua the Messiah. Your words describe, as I mentioned before, a man on the broad way that leads to destruction [Matthew 7:13]. Your words depict a person who has a natural mind: “But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God; for they are foolishness unto him; neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned” [1 Corinthians 2:14]. By you saying you feel more comfortable being in the pubs, rather than being with God’s people; something is wrong! There are millions within the walls of the modern Church who say they have been baptized and have become Christians, but they are lost and on the road to destruction. I didn’t write that, God wrote it as He led holy men to pen the Scriptures. Going into the pubs and hanging around the boys is like spitting in the face of Yeshua; it’s like handing the nails to the Roman soldiers as they nailed Yeshua to that rugged Tree. Need I go any further?

    In the book of Jude, Jude writes about a man of this same character Paul writes about; that being the “Natural” man. Jude describes this same mind-set as one who is “sensual” [See also Romans 8:9]. A sensual man or woman is a non-Christian. This type of lifestyle is basically dominated by the merely physical, worldly or natural life as mentioned above, dealing with the natural mind. Because the “natural” and “sensual” person does not possess the Holy Spirit, he IS NOT EQUIPPED to receive appreciatively Truth that comes from the Spirit of God. Such a person needs the new birth [See John 3:1-8; Titus 3:5-6].

    The pub and drunks cater to other drunks. Yes, it’s true; they definitely need Messiah. You can’t drink away your sins. You can go into the pubs and spill out your guts, so to speak; get drunk with the drunks who will sympathize with you; pat you on the back, but it’s only puke, feces, and urine. You can’t be delivered with the Blood that Yeshua shed for you on the Tree by wallowing in the puke and the mire Peter spoke about. And, no, you can’t be saved and delivered via AA. I know what I’m talking about.

    Allow me to explain something; and I’m not worried if I’m taking up too much space on this blog :-). When I pastored full-time as a full-time police officer, it took the grace of God to give me the strength to carry on with these two positions. A small – what we call a “storefront” church – was birthed because I met so many drunks, prostitutes, homosexuals, drug addicts, street gangs, who were bound by demon powers. Yes, DEMONS!!!!! Many of them tried AA, recovery centers; replacement drugs, and so on, and so on…. seeking the higher power. They weren’t taught how to be saved by the power of Yeshua the Messiah, the One who possesses all power [Matthew 28:18].

    I, by the power of God invested in me, took hundreds through deliverance, and God set them free from demonic powers. I boast in Him, not me! This is one of the signs of a true believer: “And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues…” [Mark 16:17]. Yes, I know, there are men who say these Scriptures in Mark were not in the original manuscripts. I ignore this foolishness.

    Today, and it’s not because of me, but because of our loving Savior; our Deliverer; many of those folks who were wallowing around in their own puke, feces, and urine, they are now in full-time ministry: Some pastoring, some evangelists, and other positions in the Church. They were gloriously saved and delivered. Totally saved, and totally delivered! They didn’t go back to the puke buckets, to vomit and the mire like Peter tells us: “But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, ‘The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire'” [2 Peter 2:22]. This Scripture derives from Proverbs 26:11, so Peter didn’t just make it up.

    So, Bob, I leave you with this statement you made in your message to me:

    “I have read all your blogs and comments to myself and take them on board and have asked God to forgive me and to show me how to “put to death” the old man so that I may become what He created me to be.”

    What I’ve written, though it be candid language, is the answer to your prayers to God. You can’t put to death the old man unless you are truly born again by His Spirit. You can rationalize every day until the LORD takes us out of this world to be with Him, but rationalization will only lead you to darkness. Your speech cannot save you. You can say you’ve asked God to forgive you, but, if you don’t intend to change, forget it! God reads our heart!

    It doesn’t matter what position you may have in the Church; baptized or not; if you’re not born again by God’s Spirit, you cannot be saved. Plain and simple! On Judgment Day many will stand before the LORD and debate with Him. Yeshua declares:

    (21) Not every one that saith unto Me, ‘LORD, LORD,’ shall enter into the Kingdom of Heaven; BUT HE THAT DOETH THE WILL OF MY FATHER which is in Heaven. (22) Many will say to Me in that day, ‘LORD, LORD, have we not prophesied in Thy name? And in Thy name have cast out devils? And in Thy name done many wonderful works?’ (23)And then will I profess unto them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, ye that work iniquity'[Matthew 7:21-23].

    As I close, Bob, what do you suppose is the will of the Father as emphasized above? Read Peter’s message: “The LORD is not slack concerning His promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, NOT WILLING THAT ANY SHOULD PERISH, BUT THAT ALL SHOULD COME TO REPENTANCE” [2 Peter 3:9]. You can’t die to the old man until you repent! I hope you read this message carefully and methodically.

    Love in Messiah Yeshua,

    Ron Ben Yaakov

  83. daisymarygoldr says:

    Shalom Ron Ben Yaakov. I agree with everything you have said in your last comment to Bob. This is what it means to show the genuine love of Christ…to not hold back or hide the truth lest it offends and scares away people. It is only the light of the life-giving truths of God that can revive the deadly darkness within a soul.

    It is the wholesome Word of God alone that brings healing to the wounded spirits of men. AA and every other psychological counseling program only apply temporary band-aids to the wounds. It will never heal rather it only allows the covered wound to aggravate and spread to ultimately cause death. I simply cannot cease to thank the Lord for bringing you here to be the balm of Gilead and minister Messiah Yeshua’s healing to hurting souls!

    Meanwhile, I am also praying that Bob and every other person who reads this will prayerfully consider it with the help of the Holy Spirit. Bob, alcohol is from the father of lies that deceives people into a drunken stupor to ultimately drown them to death in the ocean of despair!

    Bob, it is one thing to go the pub to win your “normal people” and fishermen friends for Christ…that is what Jesus did. It is another thing to go to the pub to get drunk in order to escape God’s absolute truth: the soul who sins will surely die…that is what Jesus did not do. True, He was called a friend of sinners and yet in all of His associations with sinful people like you and me, there was no sin found in Him! With the love of Christ…

  84. Ron Ben Yaakov says:

    Shalom daisymarygoldr:

    Thank you for stance to stay separated. This is my desire for the Church today that is so polluted with doctrines of demons [1 Timothy 4:1].

    I love to read the teachings of Spirit-filled men of God; especially the late Oswald Chambers, who I consider to be my mentor, if I may use that term.

    Thank God his godly wife took notes, giving us the privilege to feed on his messages. He certainly didn’t pull any punches. That’s the kind of teaching I need, since my life isn’t perfect by no means. Therefore, this bit of information about this man of God brings me to this statement he made, then I’ll close.

    He said, “There is a difference between devotion to principles and devotion to a person. Jesus Christ never proclaimed a cause; He proclaimed personal devotion to Himself” – The Complete Works of Oswald Chambers, pg. 1441, under the section (b) The Motive of Godliness (Matthew 5:11-12).

    I highly recommend this book that’s can be obtained via RBC ministries. Every true believer should make every effort to purchase this book, which, by the way, comes with a CD: A valuable tool!

    Good night to all. May God give you His sweet rest!

    Blessings in Messiah Yeshua,

    Ron Ben Yaakov

  85. foreverblessed says:

    The storm that raged Cornwall tonight is now going over my head. England gets a lot of rain since Steve asked, are the skyes allways grey in England? They have been the last week, and flooding is the problem.
    Let us be flooded by the power of the Holy Spirit. It is the Living Word of God flowing through us that makes us clean.
    What I learned of Oswald Chambers is this:
    It is a decision of our will:
    “Jesus, not my will but your will. I surrender myself to you.”
    So that we can say, Jesus is the Lord of my heart.
    And there we start walking with Him in faith.
    And when the whatever addiction has been strong there can be setbacks and fall backs. Like king David had a huge fall back.
    God knows that.
    But though we fall God will lift us up, when we call on His name. So do not despair when you fall back. Keep calling
    I pray for you Bob that you will find a place where you can be nourished in the Life of Christ. You already said you did choose for Christ, so be strong, and seek company around you that is uplifting.
    I did not go to a church for many years, but God gave me a christian lady who prayed with me. When I was down, I could go to her and she would pray for me, and I was sent home filled and nourished by the power of the resurrection life of Christ.
    Thank God for this praying lady. God bless her, and all others who quietly pray for people in need, struggling.
    They are shining lamps, and hidden to the world.

  86. Bob in Cornwall England says:

    Thank you foreverblessed, I also have a praying lady who lives near Southampton and has stood by me since I was 21, over 35 years now.
    I speak with her most days by phone, she is 76 years old and spent 17 years living in the USA.
    The storm is still raging here in Cornwall but the tide is out now, so no real threat for a few hours. Where do you live?

    Ron Ben Yaakov
    Thank you for your directness!
    I found some of your terminology a little off-putting but nevertheless true. I had no religious up bringing and was totaly amazed when I was told about Jesus at 16
    The fairytale stories one hears as a child about christmas etc. bear no relation to the reality of Messiah. I gave my heart, life and soul to Jesus then and know I was born again and filled with the Holy Spirit. At 21 I started to fall away and at 30 I started to drink. I had a good job and lots of money and travelled the world. I was scared to reveal my sexuality and did not do so until my mid 30’s.
    I was amazed that no one cared and I supposed I revelled in my new identity. Now I have fallen on hard times and have little money. I attended a small Spirit filled church near me for about three years but found myself in conflict with them over my sexuality and I started to drink heavily again and left the church.
    No one came to find me or asked how I was.
    I would love to get back to that first love I had at 16
    Thanks for your honesty with me. The word of God is like a two edged sword and cuts deep into a soul.
    I know God says Seek ye first my kingdom and all the other things will be added unto you, but I have to do some serious job hunting etc. today and tomorrow, I will be online most of the time filling out application forms.
    May God Bless You My Friend!

  87. foreverblessed says:

    Dear Bob,
    Thank GOd you take this stern advice from Ron, and Daisy in a good way. Thank God, now I encourage you to act on it.
    With a decision of your will. Even if you have to be busy with job hunting. You place in heaven is now at stake, your place on earth will be worked out by God, do not worry about it.

    “I know God says Seek ye first my kingdom and all the other things will be added unto you, but I have to do some serious job hunting etc. today and tomorrow,”

    The BUT, why is that, why can’t you seek His kingdom first, although you have to find a job. Be strong, be of courage, do not lose faith.

    What was the problem with your sexuality that you do not go to that little church anymore, since you are celibate anyway?
    I live in the Netherlands. And it is pouring rain now, grey skies.
    Since half a yaer I now attend a spirit filled church again, they are not judgmental, and are busy to focus on the spiritual warfare more. It is good to have spiritual discernment, ask God to give that to you.
    With love.
    And I would like to tell you that I do not drink alcohol anymore, only a few sips, especially at the Lord’s table.
    It took a lot of effort not to do that anymore. I wasn’t an alcoholic, but for some reason, even half a glass of wine would make me feel as if I was drunk.
    So do take courage, and leave the alcohol alone, leave the bar alone, till you are strong in Jesus.
    Pray for you that you will find that first love again!
    If you pray for it with all your heart God will surely answer. He did to me, when I was alone, without church, just me praying with all my heart.

  88. SFDBWV says:

    Bob in Cornwall, The very first recorded miracle Jesus performed was turning the water into wine (John 2:).

    Then Jesus says in Luke 7:34 “The Son of man is come eating and drinking; and ye say behold a gluttonous man, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners.”

    It seems that wine is mentioned a great deal in scripture lessons.

    Being 56 and looking for work has to be a difficult undertaking for you. I am sorry you are at this point of life.

    But take courage, Jesus will not abandon you, as your church friends did. Keep your eyes on Christ and be filled with the peace He offers.

    He will provide for you. Your needs.

    Perhaps God has allowed you to be at this crossroads of your life in order to bless you with healing in your life.

    Many of the people on this blog are unchurched. They have been disillusioned and disapointed with people who have let them down.

    Alcoholics and excessive drinkers always have plenty of friends. Once you quit drinking, they too will disapear.

    Christ can and will heal you.

    Let God be the father you sought as a child and learn that once you recieve forgiveness that you must then forgive, somewhere in the process, peace comes to your heart.

    You want the same thing everyone wants, Bob, love.

    Where 2 or more gather together, for Christs sake, He is there. We, all of us here, gather together for the cause of Jesus Christ. You are loved here.

    Your Friend

  89. foreverblessed says:

    While I was praying for Bob there came more things I have to bring up here: Bob was taking the admonishment graciously!
    But did we read Bob’s warning to the americans?
    after the inexpressible remembrance?
    The patriotism must be addressed:
    look into your room, what flag is there?
    Is there a flag for Jesus?
    Not that having flags do change our hearts, but the flags that are around you shows something to you.
    I only ask these questions to make you look into your own heart. God is a God who wants us clean of all idolatry, adultary, drunkenness, etc.

    Please do not justify yourself of explain to others why, just look into your heart, and ask God to shine His light in it, into all corners, especially into the patriotic corner.

    This is done in the love of Jesus, that we will be presented pure when He returns.

  90. Bob in Cornwall England says:

    Thank you Steve and Thank you foreverblessed.

    I am feeling a little down at the moment, a bit drained by all of this.
    I see Mart has posed a new question.
    To forgive or not to forgive?

  91. foreverblessed says:

    Thought to comment to Jereemiah, Maarten Luther was not saying that we should have no works. But he was saying that our salvation was through faith only. Sola fida, sola gracia. We do not earn salvation by our good works, that is what he said, but it is given to those who believe Christ has died for their sins. Romans 3:27-28. 4:4-7:25

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