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What We Can or Can’t See

On the threshold of the Promised Land, God told his people that even though they had seen him do many wonderful things through the rescue of the Exodus, and through the provisions of the Wilderness, they didn’t get what he was doing for them.

More specifically, Moses wrote, “To this day the LORD has not given you minds that understand, nor eyes that see, nor ears that hear!” (29:4).

This quote sounds similar to what the Apostle Paul wrote to Timothy when he told him how to reason with false teachers, “If God perhaps will grant them repentance, so that they may know the truth, and that they may come to their senses…” (2Tim 2:24-25).

Both texts together with many others in the Bible make it sound as if God is responsible for what people cannot see about the truth. Yet the Scriptures also make it clear that God holds us accountable.

The Word Biblical Commentary acknowledges that Deuteronomy 29:4 seems to indicate that God is responsible for what that generation of people could not do. But it goes on to say, “However, a similar thought is expressed in 30:6, where Moses promises that after Israel repents in exile, God will open up the people’s hearts and enable them to love Him. This seems to imply that God does give the heart the capacity for faith, but that He does so for those who seek it. . . . as the Talmud says, ‘When a person seeks to purify himself, he receives help in doing so’”

(on second thought, it seems that the quote from the Talmud above might miss the point… depending on what is meant by “purify himself”)

This is another example of “truth in tension” that reminds us of two very important thoughts, both of which are true, even though we don’t and cannot understand how God brings them together:

1. All that is good, including the ability to know God is a gift from God.

2. Yet somewhere in the mix of knowing or not knowing him, we have choices to make that he holds us accountable for.

Maybe together they remind us why we need to honestly keep asking God for the ability to seeto hearand to do… what he wants to do in us…

And is it possible that together 1. What God can enable us to see, together with 2. What he is looking for in our hearts… may help us to see why it is so important to stop… and ask God for the ability to know what our hearts are really longing for, so that we can in turn ask him for the ability to choose what honors him… and is good for others?

Would be interested to hear how you are processing the tension between the how we are looking for the “gifts/grace” of God… in light of what he is looking for in us…

note: Have used the picture at the top of this column in the past. Reminds me of the “cloud of God’s presence in the wilderness :-)… But thought of it again this morning. It was actually a single cloud that passed over a crevice in a rugged area just west of the Dead Sea (in the area of this picture to the left)…Our guide said that the strata in the rock (in the top pic) represent layers of sediment that once formed the bottom of the Dead/Salt Sea.

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66 Responses to “What We Can or Can’t See”

  1. SFDBWV says:

    The tree of Life…The tree of knowledge. which tree caused the most trouble?

    In life sometimes, we are given only enough information as to get us to the next step. In so doing we are not trying to reach the conclusion without going through the steps that make the conclusion possible.

    With God, I believe all information is obtainable, but are we able to grasp it all by simply asking to know it all? I think we need to be readied to be able to handle what God has ahead for us.

    I look now where I am in my life, and I can see where God has prepared me from my youth to be right where I am, able to do just what He wants. For now.

    Every day as the day starts, I ask God to bless thoes I care for and be with us. I ask for Him to strengthen us and enable us. Most of all I ask for His will to be exacted in all of our lives for His purpose. All the while believing that His will is what is best for us, trusting what I do not yet see.

    I remembered the pictures as soon as I saw them.


  2. InHisHands says:

    For me – I find comfort in knowing that I am not supposed to know everything, and that God provides all I need to know – when I need to know it. Like Eph. 2:8-9, “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that (the faith) not of yourselves: it is the gift of God, not of works, lest any man should boast.”

    When I realized that I needed God to even give me the faith to believe, it helped me to see that the problem was me seeing myself in the worldly view that I am something, when what I needed to see was Who God is and who I am in Him.

  3. Loretta Beavis says:

    Reminded me that God gave me a “measure of faith” and He grows it if I take it in like milk (maturity in the Word?).

    My part is to change what I can-my attitude, my thinking, my behavior (some things, bit by bit; others all at once.)

    And desire His daily renewal for me through my personal relationship with Him. (Lord please remove my shortcomings)

    How that works for me lately, is, in all that I’ve lost in the past 10 years, I have grown to understand, and “see” through recent experiences, God has something better in opportunities just ahead; and if the money (or whatever help) doesn’t come from the source I expected, it pours in from somewhere else-even the unexpected-Pooh said something like “sometimes from the sky” and I suspect I know what she means.

    It’s getting easier and easier to let go and wait on God rather than try to fix it or “plan B” it myself.

    Romans 12:2&3 (NKJ) … “And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God. For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he out to think; but to think soberly according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.”

    1Peter 2:1-2 (NKJ) … “Wherefore laying aside all malice, and all guile, and hypocrisies, and envies, and all evil speakings, As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby; …”

    … going on, 2 Pet:6 is good too …”Wherefore also it is contained in the Scripture, behold I lay in Zion a chief corner stone, elect, precious, and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.”

  4. poohpity says:

    I read over and over in the pages of the bible that God wants us to want Him. I know this sounds so simple but yet when you consider all that you think about in a day how much of those thoughts concern wanting God or wanting God to do what we want. The first thing when one opens their eyes do they go through what the day’s to do list is or is it thinking about another day to learn about God. If our mouths are going then our ears are shut. If our brain is thinking then our hearts are not listening to God. If we are wanting then we are depending on our own strength to get.

    The truth of the matter is God knows what our heart desires no matter what we say we want. That is what is so interesting about the testimonies of those in the bible God KNOWS what we truly desire and God KNOWS if it is Him or our own desires. I believe if you truly want more of Him then He will reveal more to you but if you are satisfied with just being saved then that is what you get.

    When we really truly understand who we are at the foot of that Cross and who it was up on the Cross then our spirit becomes so humble. When we look out over the beauty of nature and the majesty of creation we become so small yet so important to the God of the universe. God has taken so much pleasure in just wanting us to truly know Him. If that is what is in our hearts, minds and souls then the things around seem so unimportant.

  5. pegramsdell says:

    Moses had a heart for the jewish people. He fought for them even though they burdoned him all the time. He pleaded for them to God (when He wanted to destroy them). Who is doing that now? Which of us is really asking God to save the lost? Who really cares? Most of the time I am saying “don’t” send me Lord.

    The wages of sin is death, and the “gift” of God is eternal life. Repentence is a gift from God as well as pastors are a gift from God to the church. Faith is also a gift from God.

    Good word Bob about the serpent on the pole. We need to just look. I thought about Peter sinking because he looked away. Fix our eyes on Jesus! And our hearts. Only God really knows our hearts anyway.

    I am accepting the gift God gave me and repenting for not caring enough for my fellow man. (or woman)

  6. dependent says:

    I remember a particular turning point in my journey of faith. It was when I became aware that I truly wasn’t being ‘real’ with God. The phrase that came to mind during some personal prayer and worship time was this:
    “I desire a ‘want-to’ faith, not a ‘have-to’ faith.”

    Wow–one of those convict-me-right-between-the-eyes moments. Sounds simple, but for me it was a big spotlight on an aspect of my relationship with Him that I didn’t know existed.

    I started praying what has become a ‘dangerous’ prayer when I recognize a specific gap between what I *know* God’s Word instructs versus how I *actuallly* live, making poor choices. You know, those intensely personal weaknesses that fall way short of Christ’s example. Many times it involves those areas of sin that aren’t readily visible to others–those that displease Him just as much as the outward sin that is easily subject to the sting of accountibility from friends and family.

    “Lord you know, and I know, that my heart rebels everytime this comes up. My flesh has no inclination to adopt your ways in this matter. So I ask that you will somehow give me the “want-to”. I need your help to have victory over this stronghold that I’ve only been fighting because I know I have to. Please help me see the day when my first inclination is to obey and not excuse or deny or ignore it.”

    In this way I have learned to sort of “lean into his grace and mercy”. And the shame and guilt and condemnation of failing Him is replaced by a real sense of his compassion, His advocacy for me. As Psa 103:14 reads: “For He Himself knows our frame; He is mindful that we are but dust.”

    And I’ve found that He is faithful to give me what I need to turn from a ‘behave/think this way to avoid consequences’ mindset to a ‘by His grace I want to please Him’ reliance.

  7. rokdude5 says:

    Personally I think we are powerless to do anything unless God instills it in us, the yearning to do so. And that leads to another tension between trying to know as much as possible as God yet short enough not to try to become all knowing or omniscience as God. For if I become “all knowing” like God then I will become God. I certainly dont want to go there.

    In 1 Corinthians 3:16 (New International Version)
    16Don’t you know that you yourselves are God’s temple and that God’s Spirit lives in you?

    We see that our bodies are temples whether they are for the Holy Spirit or for sin.

    In today’s devotion, I read in Rom7:17 As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. 18I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature.[c] For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. 19For what I do is not the good I want to do; no, the evil I do not want to do—this I keep on doing. 20Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.

    This rings so true for me. If I dont let the Holy Spirit reign Supreme in my body-temple, I, myself, can not remain true to God. So how can I protect this body-temple? Eph. 6:10 “Put on the full armor of God so that you can take your stand against the devil’s schemes.”

    I also read recently in Jer 1:5 “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations.”

    Though very few of us became prophets, I wonder if God before we were formed in the womb set us apart by instilling in us a yearning to become His children and to know Him. I think (IMHO) eventually it falls back on us to choose to listen to that yearning.

  8. poohpity says:

    It is also amazing even in wanting to desire to know God more it is interesting that that does not demand perfection. God knows we will not be perfect little children that is an impossibility but He delights in our DESIRE for Him.

  9. SFDBWV says:

    I have been thinking about the question Mart raised in his opening topic. What is God looking for in us?

    Jesus gave many answers to this question. He wants us to be good stewarts of what has been given us to oversee for Him (Luke 12:42)He looks into our hearts for the Kingdom (Luke 17:21) He is looking for faith (Heb 11:6)But I believe he is looking most of all for love (John 13:34&35).

    If God can look into our hearts and see that we forgive, that we tolerate, that we have patientence, that our heart is all about serving others and not about *self*, Then this may be what He is looking for. In and from us.

    If He finds this, then perhaps he will open our minds and eyes plainly and direct our paths. (Isa 58:8,9,10 & 11).


  10. Ted M. Gossard says:

    Thanks, Mart! Great, important thought. God gives us what we need without us understanding it all. I take assurance in that.

  11. SFDBWV says:

    Makes me also wonder what is it we want from God….

    Too many think of God as Santa Clause, or a genie that grants wishes.

    I am guessing most of us want nothing bad to happen to us or thoes we love. Expecting God to protect we from harm. Supernaturaly.

    Then confused or even blaming Him when things bad do happen.

    Many times I have ask God for me to be ,everything He wants me to be, then find myself wanting to be more than I am. For Him.

    Then I ask myself, what is the purpose of my trying to please God? Is it for some reward? Or just because I want to?

    In scripture there is a prize mentioned called the *prophets reward* and a *righteious mans reward*, (Mt 10:41) If you study these rewards to their conclusions they are… the presence of God.

    So then my true desire to please God is for me to be… in the presence of God.

    So then what do I want from God?
    For Him to be with me in all things that I do, for all time.


  12. poohpity says:

    God does not keep secrets. Many times in scripture He always sent someone to tell what He is going to do. It is not a secret what He wants from us either. There are things about God that are withheld from us but what He desires from us is not kept secret nor what he has set before us to do. I believe that we are to be in a place where no matter what comes before us we trust in Him with every detail then we have a peace that passes all understanding. A place where whether we see or don’t see we understand that He has it all in the palm of His hand.

    I believe that if we really desire Him above all else just like Job we may have to be stripped of everything, with no answers, yet have the assurance that God is in control.

  13. Becky M says:

    God wants to walk with us like in the garden and He wants us to want to be with Him. Like Steve said.

    Think how He must have felt when we refused to see Him in the garden after we sinned. It must have been like a parent now a days having to see their child taken away from them and put in prison for a wrong they did. He must have thought why didn’t my child consider me why didn’t my child come to me before telling me what they were tempted to do? I may have been able to help, I may have been able to steer them back into the right direction. Great tears falling from His eyes because He knows that His child will have to pay for his crime(sin) for a very,very,very,long time. Rehabilitation will take his whole shortened life which was meant to be lived fully and timeless along with his Father. Agony then and angony on the cross. Yes,He wants us to love as He loves. I’m sure He wants us to love Him for giving us life back by He himself taken credit for our crimes(sins). He meets us more than half way if we accept His help and does most of the work for us. He did most of the work on the cross. I’m sure He would like us to appreciate His help and want us to depend on Him to set us free. I do love and appreciate Him for sending Jesus to get us out of prison. And I look forward to seeing Him and thanking Him in person(in His glory). What does God want to see in us? Love,hope,faith,the fruit of the Spirit.

  14. kingsdaughter says:

    After our son’s death, the poor economy that has directly impacted my husband’s profession, my husband’s poor health and the emotional needs of our daughter who, along with our 8 yr. old granddaughter, lives with us…I have had to reassessed my relationship with God. I have been assured He never went anywhere but I am one of those who took it quite personally that all of this was a punishment. I didn’t think of Him as Santa, but I trusted that the answer to my prayers would be that He kept my family safe. And when we received that fateful call…we were devastated and I felt a certain betrayal, if you will…like God owed me something because I trusted Him. For many years, I been a Bible reader, in studies, worshipful, prayerful, and all those things that makes us closer to our Lord. In past posts of other topics, we have discussed that the love of God is shown in our obedience to God…whether we feel or think…we do act. Along with my actions has been the deeply ingrained thought that I should please God. Since my son’s death I have eagerly sought out God with a passionate yearning to know His grace more than any other time in my life. Grace is a gift that people do not understand…Believers of all people! Myself included.

    I find myself agreeing with the simple faith, the acceptance of grace and the repentance that is required of me…all the rest is a revelation that is as individual as our fingerprints. We are propelled through the different seasons of our lifetimes, each of us learning something, hopefully that propels us closer to God who at the same time is drawing us closer to Him. I often think how vain my son’s death would be if I did not learn from it in some way. Who am I to say that God’s whole purpose for my son’s life and death wasn’t to get my attention about His grace. That thought occurs to me often…perhaps God is telling me this.

    As Mart mentions above:

    2.) Yet somewhere in the mix of knowing or not knowing Him, we have choices to make that he holds us accountable for.

    There is a great “Not knowing” which is part of this pain..something that will never be revealed to me —was it really suicide and WHY GOD WHY? But part of “Knowing” and by that I mean…the peace and grace ~ I am finding out, is up to me: accountability. I guess Satan would have loved it had I given up reading and praying and finding messages I may have overlooked before this past year. I am still seeking and God is still here, even on the days when I most certainly feel like He isn’t. God does know that I am earnestly trying to KNOW all that I can. Understanding is something else. I am accountable for searching but revelation comes from God. In His time, I will know what He wants me to know. Meanwhile, I just ask for His guidance.

    God bless,

  15. poohpity says:

    By his divine power, God has given us everything we need for living a godly life. We have received all of this by coming to know him, the one who called us to himself by means of his marvelous glory and excellence.

    ~ 2 Peter 1:3, NLT

  16. Mart De Haan says:

    Dale, thank you for opening up your heart to us. I’m guessing that many of us have been strengthened by your pursuit of God that, to you, feels so weak and vulnerable.

  17. SFDBWV says:

    God bless you, Dale, I pray for the Peace that surpasses understanding for you. Only God can heal a broken heart. I can only hold your hand and let you cry on my shoulder…and listen.

    I have a friend whoes son tried to kill himself, by shooting himself in the head…he didn’t die.

    My own son, has traumatic brain injury from the automobile wreck he suffered 10 years ago. He could play classical guitar, but now cannot use his left hand at all. He is 31, he relys on me for rolling him over in bed, getting up and setting back down. I have to help him on and off the toilet and clean him. He remembers somethings and does remember that he was a college basketball player, and still holds the record at his high school for the mile run. He remembers that he used to be popular with his friends. Though now alone with me most of the time.

    He knows all too well his condition, and yearns for a life, his own life, with friends, a job, a wife, all the things we all want at some point in our lives.

    He begs me to kill him from the time he gets awake until we say prayers for his friends at night.

    “Dad, if you loved me, you would let me go”…

    He considers his fate worse than death and his suffering no less than “heck”. He won’t say hell.

    In most nursing homes or rehab hospitals, there are lock down wards were there are people who did not die, from brain injuries. Some of the most pityful people you have ever seen.

    I am not telling you this so that you can feel better that your own son is not living a worse fate. I am telling you this so that, maybe you can go to some of these places and perhaps minister to the lonely tormented people who may just need sommeone to care.

    Maybe by giving in this way, you can feel you are helping people who may have been like your son.

    I hope I have not went too far, Dale. I too want for you to heal.


  18. foreverblessed says:

    Thank you Dale for your writing. Do you have a notebook? Write that out, what you just wrote, so you can reread it later.
    And all the other things God revealed to you.
    Your account has strenthened me in Him, Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour, (that sounds so christian, but yet it is so true). Thank you so much for telling this. I thank God He has led you to this blog. You have found a lot of peace of mind already.

    I pray this for you and all of us:
    May you be strong, firm and steadfast..( in Him) 1 Peter 5:10, 5-10.

  19. foreverblessed says:

    Steve, your son, you and your wife are in my prayers too.
    That you may be strong and firm and steadfast in Christ, as you are already, but may grow in it, the knowledge and grace of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.2 Peter 3:18

  20. kingsdaughter says:

    Mart, Steve and Foreverblessed: I thank all of you for your prayers and thoughtfulness.

    Steve, I am truly so sorry for your family and your son. He has a wonderful Dad who is a true testament to faith in God. And I am heartbroken about how he must feel every single day. I am reminded by your life’s experience that there are some things worse than death. I know for you it must be both a blessing and a devastation that you must observe your son in such agony…I will pray for you, your wife and son each time I pray. And please do not feel as though you have “gone too far” with your advice or suggestions. I think it will be a wonderful thing to help others. I hope to strengthen to that point and be of some usefulness to someone in need.

    In “My Utmost for His Highest” I have read today:

    “Believe steadfastly on Him and everything that challenges you will strengthen your faith. There is continual testing in the life of faith up to the point of our physical death, which is the last great test. Faith is absolute trust in God — trust that could never imagine that He would forsake us (Hebrews 13: 5-6)And with that being said…I feel so very guilty about feeling that He left me for even a minute..or more importantly, my son. That has been the greatest challenge in all of this. Thinking about my son’s last day on this earth. Jesus said…”Come home.”

    Foreverblessed, thank you for your encouragement. I keep an online journal and it helps. I belong to another site, that is named Daily Strength…I belong to that sad sorority of mother’s who have lost a child. It is there we share our sorrow, our strengths and our support. But it is by Providence that I found this site because of the name Daily Strength…I clicked on the wrong one and it brought me here and I began checking things out…reading all the various topics and resources…then I began reading these blogs started by Mart. That is how I came here…and it has been a blessing to me from day one. Nothing is a coincidence..it is a Godcidence. I can feel peace on some days but grief has a way of stealing that peace..and then I am reminded of 1 Thes: 4:13,14…
    “But I would not have you to be ignorant brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope….”

  21. dependent says:

    Reading what Steve’s been thinking about as he reflects on what Mart is thinking…got me to thinking…
    …about what the Lord is looking for in us.

    The gospel accounts record numerous times when Jesus employed the metaphor of “bearing fruit” as a primary reason for, and proof of, God’s saving grace.

    As Paul said in Rom 7:4, believers are joined “to Him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God.”

    It’s all about bearing fruit to glorify God–which happens only if we are truly abiding “in Christ”:
    “My Father is glorified by this, that you bear much fruit, and so prove to be My disciples.” (John 15:8)

    But being fruitful only happens because of the life-giving presence of Christ. He said “apart from Me you can do nothing.”

    Our joy is made complete, our purpose is fulfilled, as we obey His commandment:
    “that you love one another, just as I have loved you.”

    And it is clear that God is actively involved in not only seeing that we bear fruit, but that we increasingly bear “much fruit”. What a beautiful picture–Jesus providing the means to bear fruit, and the Father as the vinedresser helping each branch reach its full potential to bring Him glory:
    “Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit, He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit, He prunes it so that it may bear more fruit.”

    It takes perserverance to endure the pruning process–it hurts. From our persepective it often doesn’t make sense where He chooses to cut. But we hold to our faith in His intentions for us–His ability to replicate in us and through us the very likeness of Christ. The life-giving seed of the Living Word.

    “But the seed in the good soil, these are the ones who have heard the word in an honest and good heart, and hold it fast, and bear fruit with perseverance.” (Luke 8:5)

    So we keep on loving, and continue trusting and ingesting the Word–the Bread of Life–lest we become unfruitful. And we remember through the trials and pain that He chose us. Chose us for the purpose of bearing fruit that brings glory to our Creator:

    “You did not choose Me but I chose you, and appointed you that you would go and bear fruit, and that your fruit would remain, so that whatever you ask of the Father in My name He may give to you.”

    What are we asking for? Are we asking for more knowledge of Him and His will (Col 1:9) in order to bear more fruit? Are we planting the seeds of God’s Word in the lives around us? Are we loving others with the very love we enjoy?

    If so, our joy will be full knowing that God is glorified through us.

  22. Bob in Cornwall England says:

    Everything we have and everything we are comes from God.

    Genesis 2:7
    7Then the Lord God formed man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath or spirit of life, and man became a living being.

    John 20:21-22
    21Then Jesus said to them again, Peace to you! [Just] as the Father has sent Me forth, so I am sending you.

    22And having said this, He breathed on them and said to them, Receive the Holy Spirit!

    We were created by God and given life by God(Genesis 2)

    We were saved, reborn and recreated by Jesus and given New Life in the Holy Spirit (John 20)

    Not surprising that we need God the Holy Spirit to open our eyes, minds and hearts to reveal His truth and ways. God gives us the very ability to think in our heads and then gives us the freedom to choose.
    So like the Israelites in the wilderness, if we choose not to follow God’s way He will not reveal Himself to us. But if Seek Him we will find Him and He will open our minds and hearts so that we may become like Him.
    The Choice is ours but we cannot do anything or see anything other than by God’s Grace and Will.

    Thank you for sharing your heart yesterday and you are always in my prayers.
    Thank you sharing about your son with us. It spoke to me and made me appreciate all that I have. You have such a giving heart and a true servant spirit.
    May God Bless You and your family and keep you safe (and warm) in theses troubled times.
    I have been reading Job and it amazes me how he trusted God in the good times and the bad and never blamed God for his ills.
    I want to be like that, and have complete trust in the ONE who made me, and then remade me!

  23. SFDBWV says:

    My desire on this blog, is to show you that God *is* in control of events in our lives. By my sharing with all of you my life story, you may *see* God behind the scenes, in the midst of troubles, and awaiting our arrival at the end of our story.

    Too often, God is percieved as this giant spitit being, that lives somewhere high above us in the heavens. An old bearded man in a white robe, unobtainable.

    But God lives in our beings, His presence is everywhere in His creation. From the smallest to the largest.

    We are His creation, and His responsibility.

    Unlike many of us, God takes His responsibilities serious. So God made a way for all of His wayward children to find their way home, forgiven and restored.

    The only thing that now seperates us from Him, is accepting and believing the pathway home He provided for us. It is so simple, we tend to look for more complications, that just do not exist. So, have needless anxiety and worry. Mt 11:28 “Come to me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.”

    In Isaiah 61:1 and half of :2, The coming good news was foretold. In luke 4:18 and :21, Jesus made the claim that He was the good news. “To heal the brokenhearted…

    They tried to kill Him for telling them the truth.Many still do.


  24. poohpity says:

    Wow, a lot of very blessed thoughts, Amen!!!

  25. rokdude5 says:

    Though its off topic, the holidays can be quite trying for a lot of us. God created in us the longing for “families” yet it is that entity when its broken can be quite difficult. I can imagine when Mary saw Jesus on the cross, she still felt that He was still her “baby” as all mothers do think about with mature children.

    I too will be praying for Dale and Steve. I will also be praying for all other folks who come this Christmas, will have one (perhaps more) missing love ones at the Christmas dinner table. RJ

  26. poohpity says:

    Thank you RJ. After my mom’s death my whole family is estranged from me and my son’s. I miss my mom so much. I have been praying for someone to come into my life to have a close relationship with that has skin on. I know He will provide in His time. I am looking forward to it. The hole left from my mom is great even though at times we fought like cats and dogs we were quite close. I mostly remember the good times we shared. I miss the phone calls, meals, prayers and just my mom. I have such empty place in my heart. I have never cried so much in my life but I know she is without troubles and worries.

  27. poohpity says:

    I will pray for you too, RJ.

  28. kingsdaughter says:

    I am glad for this verse especially: Rev. 21:4 “God will wipe away every tear from their eyes: and death shall be no more, neither shall there be anguish (sorrow and mourning)nor grief nor pain any more, for the old conditions and the former order of things have passed away.” I know we are all thankful for this promise.

    I feel much closer to everyone who has shared their own griefs…I am not alone. My heart is with all of you and I pray that God will give us peace and courage for each new day.

    “The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ the Messiah be with you all, Amen.” Romans 16:24

  29. daisymarygoldr says:

    Do remember that “cloud” pic… you had tried to trick us into guessing as to whether it was a geyser or a volcano… it was like getting a multiple choice Q without option— e) None of the above… that was funny!

    Anyway on a serious note, in Deut 29:4 “the Lord has not given you minds that understand, nor eyes that see, nor ears that hear” refers to God’s covenant for Abraham and his “seed” to possess the Promised land for ever.

    When compared to the “church in the wilderness”(Acts 7:38), we who belong to the Church according to the New covenant in Christ have no reason to “not knowing Him” because in Gal. 3:16, Paul clearly reveals that Abraham’s promised seed is the Messiah!

    The exodus people “couldn’t see” know that back then. Even to this day, when Moses is read, a veil covers their heart”. So when does God take away the veil? “Whenever one turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away” (II Cor 3:14-16).

    Moses, however reminded the children of Israel that God held them accountable to what was made known to them and that was to obey the Law (Deut 29: 29). The Law provided a perfect moral code for Israel. God is Holy. His children, the Israelites were to be holy (Lev 20:7, 8). The purpose was to keep Abraham’s seed separate and holy until Christ, the promised seed came.

    Long story short, due to the sin of unbelief God’s holiness was defied. Even after having experienced all of God’s miraculous provision and protection, when circumstances became difficult they forgot God’s faithfulness. Hence, only 2 out of the 600,000 men actually entered the Promised Land.

    Instead of being faithful, they bitterly complained and literally demanded for God to satisfy their wants. God’s gift of grace and mercy was seen in His faithful provision of whatever they had asked, but at the same time the unfaithful people were judged and were prevented from entering the Promised Land.

    A point to be noted is that at first God heard their cries of complaint and delivered them from their brokenness due to the oppression of Egypt. But His response to their cries of brokenness in the wilderness was wrath and judgment.

    As a result, though many were called out of Egypt only the faithful two who followed Him were chosen to enter into the Promised rest.

    It is the same with Christians. Many of us joyfully set out to follow Jesus looking for the “gifts/grace” of God namely eternal life … but when faced with hardships and testing circumstances, we forget His goodness, become stubborn, angry, bitter and unbelieving.

    God who has called us out of this world/Egypt is faithful to provide us with all our needs and also looks for faithfulness in us.

    If in our wilderness Christian journey He finds ungratefulness, complaining and unbelief, then “like the Israelites of old, we will likewise tragically fall short of the promised rest that awaits us (Heb 4:1).

  30. daisymarygoldr says:

    The sad irony to all of this is the role-reversal for Moses. He who was supposed to have led the people allowed himself to be led by the rebellious people and was also prevented from entering the Promised Land!

    Unlike, the people who “couldn’t see”… by faith Moses “could see” and was able to “know” Christ! That is why he had “esteemed the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in Egypt”.

    Moses was very much aware of the Messiah, for he prophesied in Deut 18:15 “The LORD your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among your own brothers. You must listen to him.” So, when Moses had started out so strong in faith how then did he fail?

    He made the obvious mistake of giving importance to the people’s voice instead of listening to the voice of God… and this was God’s judgment:”Because you did not…honor me as holy in the sight of the Israelites, you will not bring this community into the land I give them.” Num20:12

    This is a grave lesson to all those who are influenced by their surrounding culture’s democratic “rule by the people for the rights of the people” i.e. “people matter most”. It is a sad day for the church when the rights of the people are deemed more important than the rights of the Lord and the voice of the people becomes the voice of God.

    God’s holy standard is not honored in the church where due to role reversal the leaders are led… when rebellious people dictate to the church leadership or when the leaders themselves dance to the tunes of their errant stiff-necked congregation.

    In such cases, both the leaders as well as the ones who follow them put themselves at risk to lose the greater blessing of entering God’s promised rest.

  31. daisymarygoldr says:

    Now, it must be understood that everybody who died in the wilderness is not eternally lost. Of course they were forgiven by God for their sin (Num. 14:20). So, not to enter the Promised Land does not mean loss of salvation and being denied access into heaven.

    They were unable to enter the Promised Land and inherit the peaceful rest which God gives them from all their enemies round about, so that they dwell in safety (Deut 12:8-10) because even though they had left Egypt in faith they later returned to Egypt in their hearts.

    God takes no pleasure when anyone who walks by faith to follow Him turns away to the ways of the world (Heb 10:38. BTW, this is not a call to salvation for non Christians but a warning to those who are already called out to be Christians:

    “Take care, brethren, that there not be in any one of you an evil, unbelieving heart that falls away from the living God. But encourage one another day after day, as long as it is still called ‘Today,’ so that none of you will be hardened by the deceitfulness of sin.” (Heb 3: 12-13)

    The Bible is clear that there is an eternal rest of God in Rev 21 when “He will wipe every tear from their eyes, and there will be no more death or sorrow or crying or pain”… and all those who are called and have believed in Jesus Christ will surely enter that promised rest.

    However, in Rev 19 there is another peaceful rest right here on earth in the very Promised Land which will host the millennial reign of the Messiah!
    When the Messiah returns to rule this earth, the called, chosen, and faithful will be with Him. (Rev 17:14).

    Jesus says in Matthew “he that endures to the end shall be saved.” They are the overcomers who will rule the nations with an iron rod (Rev2). John the Apostle assures us: And everyone who has this hope [resting] on Him cleanses i.e. “purifies” himself… just as God is pure (1 Jn. 3:3)!

  32. SFDBWV says:

    Goodmorning RBC bloggers, 17 inches of snow and still coming down.

    It will be a very busy day for me. Though only emergeny vehicles are allowed out this morning.

    “Can See” plenty of snow, “Can’t See” when it will end, but I am fairly sure this too shall pass.


  33. Bob in Cornwall England says:

    A big cloud is over our village today as a young lad died when he drove his care at speed over the fishermans dock and into the harbour. It happened about 21:00 GMT last night. He had been out to various pubs on a Christmas works outing. I saw the aftermath

  34. SFDBWV says:

    Violent death is never welcome nor a sight one wants to see.

    My heart goes out to the young man’s family.

    How are things for you today Bob?


  35. Bob in Cornwall England says:

    A big cloud is over our village today as a young lad died when he drove his car at speed over the fishermans dock and into the harbour. It happened about 21:00 GMT last night. He had been out to various pubs on a Christmas works outing. I saw him at 19:00 as he left the pub next door to my house and he was walking down to another bar very drunk. I saw the aftermath and clean up, with Lifeboats and Air Sea Rescue helecopters etc.
    Please pray for his mum and dad. Many of his friends are in shock as he seemed to drive off the wall deliberately and some say he commited suicide. Why he had to get in his car after so much drink no one knows. He lived less than a mile away from his last drink.
    Just like in Job, we just don’t know what the next moment will bring.
    Please pray for me also as I am still struggle to control my alcohol intake.
    Bob :-(
    I will bless the Lord at all times :-)

  36. Bob in Cornwall England says:

    not sure how my entry got split in two?
    Thanks Steve, I am ok
    May get a flurry of snow here today as well.

  37. poohpity says:

    Bob sometimes like Joseph did while held captive in Egypt you just have to run from the problem.

  38. poohpity says:

    I’m dreaming of a white Christmas but very unlikely in the Valley of the Sun. Be careful and warm, Steve.

  39. Bob in Cornwall England says:

    I agree pooh

    And Joseph, like me, was on his own with no one to advice him or encourage him but he still managed to follow what was right and trust in God.
    I always feel more akin to Jacob(he overeaches), The Deceiver, who wrestled with God until he was broken.
    God then changed his name to Israel(he who striveth with God).
    The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, it still amazes me that God refers to himself in that way and that Jacob is so honoured.

  40. phpatato says:

    Couple of things…..

    Steve, all I can say is WOW !! If I were closer, I would be at your side helping you clear the snow. When we got our dump a week ago, the area around Georgian Bay had copious amounts afterwards due to snow squalls. One town declared a snow emergency when they received additional amounts of 58.8 cms. My prayers to you for a strong back to shovel from the door.

    Bob, extend our prayers to the family and friends of this man. There was an advertisement put out a few years back that said “Alcohol kills”. Sadly, how true that is.

    Pooh, I wish I could be there to give you a hug and to share in a friendship with you. We are about the same age and would have lots in common…mostly our bond being sisters in Christ.

    Daisy, you said: “God takes no pleasure when anyone who walks by faith to follow Him turns away to the ways of the world”…..

    Isn’t it wonderful that Psalms 51 was written for when we do backslide? God is so merciful to us isn’t he? Praise His name!

    Mart, you started a sentence with: “And is it possible….. ”

    I want to shout that YES IT IS POSSIBLE!!!! Amen!! Mark 10:27 tells us that with God all things are possible.

    Warm Blessings to everyone today…it is -19c here as I type.


  41. poohpity says:

    It amazes me that so many imperfect people God loves so much because they desired to follow God. Like us, Amen! When we are alone it is a time to get closer to God. Over the last twenty years I have felt alone only to find I had more time to get closer to God. So you must have a very special place in God’s heart and He probably has a special work for you to do.

  42. poohpity says:

    My last post was for Bob.

    Thank you Pat I would love to have a friend like you.

  43. Bob in Cornwall England says:

    I gathered that Pooh.

    Seems this guys death has got our village talking about life and stuff, always a good way to introduce Jesus.
    Seems some believe in fate and others believe we have free choice and suffer the Consequences of our actions. I believe in the second view point. But when I mentioned Joseph and Potifers wife to a young guy tonight, he imediately said I don’t want to know anything from the bible and ran away. But I was trying to support him regards his belief that we have control over our fate.
    As you said Pooh, we can walk away from our temptations and live a wholy (Holy) different life.

  44. SFDBWV says:

    Pat, I know you are up in Canada, but I have forgotten where. Is Georgetown Bay in Newfoundland?

    I measured 23 inches at 2:30pm. It is finaly starting to slow down some.

    I will never forget the first time I understood Psalm 51, I cried at the marvel of God, who did not remove the Holy Spirit from an adulterer and murderer. As well at David asking for a renewed heart.

    It is a good thing that God is our judge.

    Pooh, We will definetly have a white Christmas. Maybe Glenna can send you a picture of the first winter she was home with Matt and I. It snowed over 230 inches that winter. I had told her it didn’t snow as bad as she remembered as a young girl…It’s taken almost 7 years for her to trust what I say again.


  45. phpatato says:


    I live in Eastern Ontario just outside our nation’s capital Ottawa. Georgian Bay is a large bay of Lake Huron. It lies north of Toronto and takes in an area called “The Muskoka” cottage country. The final snowfall amount in one place tallied from Dec 10 to 12 was 121 cm or 47.5 inches. The moisture picked up in snow squalls from Lake Huron and Georgian Bay notoriously lands as huge amounts of snow…a snowmobiler’s playground. The OPP (Ontario Provincial Police) actually have a snowmobile unit in those parts and yes they were called into action for that stormy period.

    Speaking of snowmobiling..sounds like where you live is another playground for that winter activity. Based on your posts, you must have over 3 feet of snow on the ground already and to think the first day of winter isn’t for 2 days yet. :-/ Do you get to the point where you just don’t have any place to pile the stuff anymore?

  46. Hisgirl4life says:

    When thinking about the gifts/grace of God and what he is looking for in all of us, I can’t help think of the Bible’s description of grace in Hebrews…”Now faith is being sure of what we do not see.”

    Getting a call a loved one is in the ER is certainly a test of our faith. It is always amazing to me that God alone gives us the strength to endure all of life’s tragedies, valleys emergencies (Thank you all for sharing such wonderful testimonies and stories). God was there walking the hallways of that big hospital, knowing each patient by name…those that would recover and those that would not. As my mother was released from the hospital today, I felt an overwhelming thankfulness for the continual faithfulness of God and his powerful healing and continual strengthening. Thank you all, from my heart, for your faithful prayers for her as she continues to heal.

    A few things come to mind as I think about what God is looking for in each of us. The first is his desire for each of us to love him above all and love others as ourselves. The second is his desire for each of us to grow into the image of Christ. Often that takes quite a bit of sanding on the potter’s stand, and our entire life here on earth, learning through all the experiences and circumstances he allows us to endure. And yet, in all of those, he promises to “never leave or forsake us.” What an absolute perfect picture of his great love for us.

    Wintertime is such a beautiful time to experience the world in all its beauty and silence. It remind me, amidst all the cold and bitter temperatures, of my need for his warmth and love in my heart. I can’t imagine a day without his tender touch and loving arms.

  47. daisymarygoldr says:

    Hisgirl4life, I am so thankful to the Lord for His tender mercies and His loving healing touch! Praying for your mother to heal and recover to good health once again…

    phpatato:), I find it always a pleasure to talk to you because you draw me deep into His Word! Just wanted to clarify that I didn’t say “God takes no pleasure”… it is the Word of God in Heb 10:38.

    Sorry, if my comment was not clear enough to convey that God is merciful. Yes, I agree that God is merciful and readily forgives as seen in (Num. 14:20) which I had quoted above. God is faithful to forgive our sins when we turn from the wrong we are doing and ask for forgiveness. All we must do is repent.

    False repentance justifies people and rationalizes our sins. When I justify myself, I am not asking God to forgive my sin but I am asking Him to excuse it. There is no scripture that says God excuses sin but there are plenty of promises to remind us when we confess our sins He is always faithful to forgive us our sins.

    Ps 51 is one of my personal favorites that record the heart-rending sighs of a broken and contrite spirit that cries out “Create in me a pure heart, O God”. That is the mark of true repentance that readily acknowledges sin to say that though I “can’t see” the reason behind my sufferings, God “can see” and therefore “He is right and I am wrong”. Regardless of whatever He chooses to do with my life in order to discipline and mold me, God is always right and just!”

    David humbly accepted God’s judgment in the death of his baby boy without complaint or bitter anger. God himself called David a man after His own heart not because he had killed Goliath or he was a great warrior King… but because when God exposed his sin, David was able to admit that he was wrong and took the right steps to change, really change.

    Real perfection is the ability to admit to God that I am wrong and obey his instructions to take the right steps and change…anything otherwise is imperfection!

  48. daisymarygoldr says:

    Bob, wanted to let you know that I’ve been praying for you everyday for your job… will also pray for your struggle with alcohol.

    Substance abuse is big barrier to living a godly life. It robs us—the temple of the living God, of our purity and holiness. It grieves the Holy Spirit. You have taken the right step to be honest and expressed a desire to change. The next part may require you to take action and stop feeding your addiction… maybe to avoid the source of temptation… no matter how many miles it is from where you live.

    Remember, Joseph fled from temptation and so it may be necessary to sever relationships that encourage the addiction. It is important that you find a Pastor or a healthy Christian friend (not someone who is struggling with alcohol) to whom you can become accountable. James 5:16 is a wonderful promise that assures us if we “confess our sins to each other and pray for each other” so that we may be healed!

  49. daisymarygoldr says:

    Have talked about this here before but just wanted to share it again … the church in which I was born and raised, was started by a man who was an alcoholic and chain smoker. When the medical world gave up on him as a lost case, God miraculously cured the extensive cavitation caused by TB in both lungs. This led him to believe Jesus as the true and living God and overnight he was changed into a new creation… all addictions of the past vanished without a trace.

    To mark his new identity in Christ, this man of God did adopt a new biblical name but is still known only by his old name. Within a year after becoming a Christian, his coworkers alleged him with false accusations out of spite for His new found faith. This resulted in the loss of his job for 17 long years. He never complained or cried to ask God why but used it as an opportunity to faithfully spread the good news to places near and far… to plant ~ 50-55 sister churches!

    God rewarded him with a miraculous victory as the highest courts of the land ruled in his favor… his job was restored along with the pay for all of those 17 years and also a huge and handsome amount in compensation! Within a couple of years of resuming his job, his wife who had led him to Christ was diagnosed with brain tumor.

    The church prayed fervently and so did he… and through all the taking care of his wife just like Steve described for his son Matt, there was not a Sunday when he did not preach. God did heal his TB but chose not to heal his wife.

    Yes, he did grieve and weep for the loss of his better half yet in all that grief, we never saw him ask God why or even for a moment waver from His faith. The Sunday following her burial he was back at church to continue his faithful service to God.

    Today he is still holding it strong at church… well past his 80s! That is a living example of someone who was imperfect but perfectly reflected Christ in the face of hardships beyond explanation to not respond like Job but remain faithful like Abraham!

    Well, that was about a church elder and this is about a lay person… my uncle’ s wife… who within a span of 2 years lost both her husband to a sudden heart attack and her oldest 30-yr old son to AIDS. A widow that is bereaved of her oldest grown son certainly “can’t see” a logical reason behind all of this, yet she clearly “can see” her call to follow and serve God through all of this.

    Today in her early 50s, she does not have the right education or training to procure a job… she is a wonderful cook and is using her culinary skills to run an eatery at home that serves simple home-made food. They had owned some property which could have brought in some money to help them meet their needs.

    She donated that land for a church building because people in that community commuted long distance to go to church. A church was built… not a big fancy one… but a small building that modestly accommodates ~100. Every Sunday, people flock to the church and my aunt who never asked God why?… has devoted herself to show hospitality and wash the feet of the saints!

    In sharing all this… my intention is not to elevate myself as superior but to let you all know that I do not hail from any Utopian family or society. There is brokenness… but even amidst sufferings and sorrows we seek to remain faithful because of the grace/gifts of our faithful God!

  50. Bob in Cornwall England says:


    Thank You for your prayers and Thank You for telling us about the people above.
    Yes I do need a “healthy christian friend” but there seems to be so few as most people my age are paired up and singles do not have the same status in our society as a couple. Hence the pub where lonely singles seem to end up.
    Poor excuse I know, but I only have two good friends, one a christian lady 260 miles away and the other a gay man in the village who has a complex about the church being anti gay.
    Off to see Don Double today who is at our church this morning. He is a Cornish man who helps train evangelists across the world. He is over 70, but like your pastor friend has given his all for God’s work.
    Take care everyone

  51. poohpity says:

    dmg, thank you for sharing those other peoples testimonies, isn’t it amazing what God can do in someone’s life. I think with David and him being a man after God’s own heart was way before the sin of Bathsheba but that may be wrong. From a child he depended on God and even when that young lad went before the giant his trust was in God not because he repented and turned away from sin. It was his love for the Lord and faith in His provision that David was a man after God’s own heart. I do not believe it had anything to do with the sin in his life just realizing that God was God.

  52. plumbape says:

    Daisy said:
    This is a grave lesson to all those who are influenced by their surrounding culture’s democratic “rule by the people for the rights of the people” i.e. “people matter most”. It is a sad day for the church when the rights of the people are deemed more important than the rights of the Lord and the voice of the people becomes the voice of God.
    Where did you get the impression that “people matter most” meant “more important than the Lord”…? Is this not exactly what Jesus told the religious leaders about in the Good Samaritan story. I’m in line with Joe on this!
    “People matter most” is the point Jesus was trying to get across when He told the now-familiar story of the Good Samaritan. Let’s face it: Joining the heavenly revolution is a challenge. We live in a world where personal happiness is more important than the welfare of others; in a world where pleasure trumps people; in a world where corporate value and stock prices eclipse the importance of the value of people, their pension plans, and personal welfare. It’s why the crime of genocide still exists; why the problem of abortion continues to thrive; why the question of euthanasia still haunts us. It’s why dads leave their families for the fling of what initially seems like a more-fulfilling relationship. It’s why the affluent can be blind to the needs of the poor and the oppressed.
    We’re living in enemy territory where people are often pawns and chips on the game table of someone else’s happiness and gain. Jesus came to change all of that: to teach us that people matter most, that eternal destinies are worth sacrificing for, that others count, and that love trumps self-centeredness! The familiar story of the Good Samaritan teaches us that even religious people can miss the point of the importance of “loving our neighbor.” But Jesus is still looking for good Samaritans who will join the revolution and live to prove—as Jesus died to prove—that above everything else, people matter most.
    Our Rally Cry – Strength for the Journey by Joe Stowell
    You know I still love you in Christ. If you stay long enough I think you become an American by common law ruling, lol.

  53. poohpity says:

    Thank you ape for the words of truth in love. Yes the Lord is very much concerned about people so much that everything He did and said reflected that, then to top it off He died for them too!!!!

  54. daisymarygoldr says:

    Michael, Thanks for your comment! If God’s willing that I stay here long enough, then I do hope and pray to personally see that day when the preaching of “loving our neighbor” is actually practised in this country…

    …the day when love trumps self-centeredness and Christians will love their nearest neighbors first… to no longer divorce spouses, desert children and despise brothers and sisters in the body of Christ… and so, yes, I’m also in line with Pastor Joe Stowell on this!

    The Good Samaritan was not spiritually poor and struggled with sin or sickness. He was strong in faith and had clean/pure healthy hands and that’s why he was able to minister to his poor and oppressed neighbor.

    Also, he simply did not pour out meaningless words of love to assure the wounded, but poured in oil and wine on the wounds … he fully paid for the expenses of the inn and even promised to return and pay any extra expenses… this is the mark of a good Samaritan who is affluent with the riches of Christ.

    Michael, ask the Holy Spirit and He will surely teach you what it really means to be a Good Samaritan…

  55. plumbape says:

    DMG> I asked the following Q’s

    Where did you get the impression that “people matter most” meant “more important than the Lord”…? Is this not exactly what Jesus told the religious leaders about in the Good Samaritan story. I’m in line with Joe on this!

    Your answer above was not what I asked.

    Pastor Joe Stowell said >
    “People matter most” is the point Jesus was trying to get across when He told the now-familiar story of the Good Samaritan.

    DMG said >

    …the day when love trumps self-centeredness and Christians will love their nearest neighbors first… to no longer divorce spouses, desert children and despise brothers and sisters in the body of Christ… and so, yes, I’m also in line with Pastor Joe Stowell on this!

    Daisy, I believe you read Joe Stowell’s Strength for the Journey on 12/18/09 Our Rally Cry, which is why you mentioned our cultures democratic rule. Then you mistakenly add that it meant putting peoples rights above the Lord’s. Our constitution talks about rule by the people for the people, yes. One nation under God with liberty and justice for all. In God we trust on our currency. I think it is a shame if where you live you aren’t shown love by your nearest neighbor but that does not mean that is the case every where. There are small and medium size towns across this country that do love there neighbor and love God first. The people are hard working, honest, poor believers in Jesus the Savior. Unfortunately that does not make head line news, no breaking developments about “area man showing love for his neighbor”, lol but it happens right along with all the bad things that happen just like other people in other countries in the world.

    I forgive you and thank you for your concern. I still believe that you or any other human can not tell if one person is more superior in faith than another person. That is solely between The Lord and the individual. I know I’m being some what sarcastic when I say the following, so I apologize is advance if you take offense; If you could tell who is superior in faith we could have an American Sanhedrin. I’m imagining Steve, Mart and some others forming a posse to apprehend that no good ex convict plumbape and bring him before the honorable judge Daisy to see if he is worthy of crucifixion. lol Sorry

    Do like Steve suggested and get out of the city. Take the family camping and sight seeing. Alot of good people out there, you might be pleasantly surprised.


  56. poohpity says:

    ape, what are you doing way over here. Come home Bill Baily and whatever the rest of the words are. I have never seen you talk so much is Miss daisy driving you or are you driving Miss daisy. Come on over for a cup of coffee and let’s talk. You know what they say about plumbers? lol

  57. poohpity says:

    You seem to be so angry lately what is happening? Are you having a slip?

  58. plumbape says:

    poohpity, I’m not angry and I changed what I said about “getting my little feelings hurt” to being offended just in an attempt at explaining as no big deal. I wasn’t hurting, lol…. not angry…. it’s all good. I don’t know how to write well enough to convey what is on my mind, so I practice what I preach in just be quiet if you can’t say something nice. (most of the time)

    What am I doing way over here..? This is where the post about people matter most was brought up by the Sunday school teacher I never had, Daisy. I love everybody.!! I must admit that there are some people that I have to really look hard to see the person under the exterior that God wants them to be and some that I just have to move on before the exterior gets in the way. I know I’m probably getting in over my head, lol, but I am trying to help Daisy understand that all men are created equal. I sure it is a joy to see these people that are being saved and repent. But we can’t possibly know what is going on in there mind. If a born again person any where becomes angry one day and hates his neighbor that is the same as murdering the neighbor. I guess the bottom line on what I was mulling over is wanting Daisy to see that there are no superior people.

  59. poohpity says:

    Ape, many of us have tried over time to convey the same message but I know for myself I have had to put it into God’s hand because words have not worked. I have found for myself in my attempt to have someone focus on their sin, I sin myself. Hope you do not fall into the same trap as I did. Love you and glad things are well for you.

    I have tried to get folks to focus on God and His word only to bring the things I say as right or wrong which breaks my heart because the focus is on me and not God. In that I have sinned greatly. It is so easy to focus on others when our own sin separates us from God.

  60. daisymarygoldr says:

    Michael :), don’t worry about me because you really “Can’t see” how it is at my end. It was only the first 20 years or so of my life that I got to spend with my own… After that no matter to which corner of the world I went, the Lord had always been good and has faithfully provided me with a spiritual family of Christ. Thanks though for your good suggestions!

    Even right here in this country, I have met and made friends with wonderful American people who are like family to me. And in this family, I also have a very special brother called plumbape… Michael, know this…you are much loved in the Lord!

    With that assurance of my special love of Christ for you and as your sister, I must say sorry, the “ex convict” card does not mean anything to me. That is the past and that is what we were (1 Cor 6:11) before coming to Christ.

    And no, judge daisy does not crucify Michael, each one of us has to crucify the old “sinner” identity to become a new creation and put on Christ… and only then we are all equal…

    Then, “There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for we are all one in Christ Jesus” (Gal 3:28)… we are now saints…. children of light and are sons and daughters of the household of God!

    In the story you had shared on “Sobriety”, the worldly wisdom of the Army sergeant said half the group of new recruits are liars but the wisdom of the Bible says “If we say that we have not sinned, we make God a liar” 1 Jn 1:10 and it further states that God’s children do not make a practice of sinning, 1 Jn 5:18

  61. daisymarygoldr says:

    So, Michael as members of God’s family, it is time for us to forget the shackles of our past… to freely grow and attain the full maturity of Christ (Eph 4) and to live no longer as the heathen do or to remain as ex convicts for the rest of our lives.

    Already we have been playing that “sinners” card for 40-60 years in the church… and as a result God’s righteousness has been snuffed out in the church and sin seems to have free reign in our lives…

    …and now, we have reached a point where we no longer want to hear about repentance and purity or have our sins confronted. …Because it hurts and offends our sin-bloated egos. We don’t want to know the cost of denying all to follow Christ.

    Now we go to church to simply hear what we want to hear and not what we should hear… from teachers who tickle our ears with false assurance…that everything’s going to be alright. How is everything alright after we have rebelled to shun His glory—when the gracious compassion, goodness and mercies of God have been shamefully spurned?

    As reflected in the daily conversations on this blog there is no knowledge of God (Hos 4) and His love… because of which people perish as they blindly grope around in utter darkness… as sheep without a shepherd… and there seems no comfort for the untold pain and suffering brought about by our own willful sins. My heart grieves to see the house of God has been abandoned and left desolate…

    If you can relate to my pain, then you will agree, from what we “Can see”, the only choice is to repent and turn back to God—our first love… to put God first in our lives. Then and only then love for all the secondary things, namely: our parents, brothers, sisters, spouse, children, friends, people groups and country can transcend the love of God.

    And only when we love God above all, we get “plugged in” to the source of true love to love others… just like the way He loved us and gave Himself for us! God wants us to show Him our love, not offer “good Samaritan” sacrifices. He wants us to know Him more than He wants burnt offerings. Hos 6:6

    Michael, I have done my best to answer your questions… and pray the Holy Spirit will help explain this to you with the right understanding. Really wished you were a 7-yr old in my class… we would have great fun memorizing Ps 1 together… you are a good man and I hope and pray the Lord will fill you with His wisdom and will use you for His Kingdom. God loves you and I do to :)!

  62. plumbape says:

    Thanks Daisy for the concern and Love in Christ. You are of course right and I misunderstand things so very often. We will surly meet one day in the Kingdom of God and what a pleasure it will be.
    I am happy to hear you have met some people where you live now that are friends. I also hope I have not been offending in any way. If so I apologize. The tragedy in Haiti is the new topic and once again I’m at a loss for words.
    God bless

  63. plumbape says:

    Poohpity, Deb Thank You also for the thoughts and concern.
    I’m not sure if I have heard what they say about plumbers. I have heard a few jokes that start with that line of thought, lol. Don’t get me started….

    A long day for me here, will talk later.

    God bless

  64. poohpity says:

    Probably the same one’s I have heard, LOL. Sometimes I have to fight against the old self, LOL. I won’t get you started. lol.

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