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The Misused Name

Prayer at Jerusalem's Western Wall

One way to break down someone’s faith may be to quote Jesus’ promise that… the Father in heaven will give us any thing we ask in Jesus name (John 16:23).

Many of us have discovered the hard way that ending our prayers “in the name of Jesus” doesn’t necessarily make a difference in whether we get what we’ve asked for.

Am reminded of what the Bible says happened to the seven sons of Sceva. They tried to take authority over an evil spirit in the name of Jesus, only to hear the demon say, “Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who are you?” (Acts 19:15). At that point the possessed person attacked the seven brothers, beat them up, tore off theirs clothes and sent them running, and probably wondering… what they had missed.

It’s true that these “self-styled exorcists” were not real followers of Jesus. But many of us can probably identify with discovering for ourselves that the name of Jesus has no inherent power.

So what are we to think about using “the name of Jesus?” Why would our Lord have said something that could lead to such wrong expectations?

It’s been interesting for me to be reminded that we are not just told to pray in the name of Jesus, but to be baptized in Jesus name, to teach one another in Jesus name, and also to say everything we say… and do everything we do… in the name of Jesus (Col 3:17).

One thing I can’t find in the New Testament (but maybe I’m overlooking something) is an example of anyone ending their prayers with, “in Jesus name”. Maybe I’m missing the obvious, but it seems like the one thing some of us think “praying in the name of Jesus” means… may be the one thing it doesn’t mean.

Yet more than a few of us (me included) have been afraid to not end our prayers that way, and probably were afraid of sounding faithless and disloyal–especially in public prayers– if we didn’t use some form of those closing words.

I find it worth thinking about that when Jesus’ disciples asked him to teach them to pray, he gave them a model prayer that did not end with any thing like “in Jesus name, amen (amen= lit. ”so be it”) (Luke 11:1-4).

The Luke 11 version of this prayer seems to end abruptly, and when we find it in Matthew 6 it ends with the wonderful crescendo “for yours is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory forever… amen.” Yet that God-honoring ending not only stops short of using the “name of Jesus” but doesn’t even occur in some ancient manuscripts.

Yet some of us wonder about the credibility of the Bible, question the point of prayer, or find ourselves doubting whether God really loves us if using Jesus name doesn’t get us what we want.

By now, many of us have heard that praying in the name of Jesus actually means praying in the personal character, spirit, and purposes of Jesus.

Jerusalem Wall SE Pinnacle

If that explanation is true, then it should also help explain why Jesus’ words about praying in his name– will not let us down. If we truly want to honor the name of his Father (as Jesus did); if we long for God’s will to be done in earth as it is done in Heaven (as Jesus did); if we really want to live in dependence upon God for our daily provisions (as Jesus did); if we really want to forgive and be forgiven (as Jesus wants us to); and if we really want to avoid temptation and evil (as Jesus did); then– if the faith of Jesus is in us… we will be willing to wait as he did for God to answer our prayer in the Father’s own perfect ways, wisdom, and timing.

What we can’t afford to forget in the process is that there will be seasons of our lives that parallel Jesus’ struggle in the Garden of Gethsemane. At such times we will, understandably, resist the hard thing God wants to help us endure– for His sake… and for reasons he has not yet made clear. In those moments praying in Jesus name will mean breathing and meaning… “nevertheless, not my will… but your will be done.”

So can we conclude that whether we can honestly say (in agreement with the heart of Jesus) “yet not my will.. but your will be done”– is more important than adding “in Jesus Name” to a prayer… that may not really have been prayed in Jesus’ interests or honor?

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93 Responses to “The Misused Name”

  1. jam200 says:

    Who’s will be done? That is the question you raise today! Do we really and truly want God’s will done in our lives? I’m not sure I want that each and every second of every day.

    The power of Jesus comes from our obedience to the will and plan of God the Father. When we are obedient, then we “can do all things through Christ who strengthens me.” The strength we receive through Jesus gives us the courage to follow the will of the Father. Jeremiah 29:11 says “I know the plans I have for you,” declares the Lord, “plans for your welfare and not for calamity to give you a future and a hope.” Verses 12 and 13 focus on our relationship with the Father. Ultimately, our goal and desire is to know Him and find Him with all our heart, mind and soul. That is the ultimate response to the prayers we present to the Father. Is our heart completely His?

    I know I don’t measure up.

  2. Bob in Cornwall England says:

    At this moment in time I want so many things because of my finacial and personal problems.
    I want is the key here!
    So often I am aware that when praying, or just chatting with God, I am talking about my needs and wants and not His needs and wants.
    I mull over senarios in my mind and pray about them, then always have to qualify it with “Not my will but your will Lord”.
    Our speaker this Sunday was a man called Lindsey. He travels all over Britain and the world carrying a cross and chatting with people. He said something to us he tells young Christians on how to know God’s voice in our heads from all the others.
    He said “If you are aguing with it then it is probably God, so give in to the instruction and do whatever it is before it becomes too late and the moment is past”
    We have all been there when we feel prompted to say a word in someones ear etc.
    As Jesus did, we must listen to The Fathers voice and act and pray achordingly. When Lazareth died Jesus was grief striken, but tarried until His Father said He should go. Then He prayed allowed so the people would know it was The Fathers will and not His and that He had unfailing faith in His Dad to Heal Lazareth.
    Yes Mart, I am sure if we ended our prayers with “Your will not mine be done” we would then be open to hear His voice and do His will, instead of just having a shopping list of requests with Jesu’s name on the cheque.

  3. SFDBWV says:

    Just wanted to bring foreward Xaviers request for prayer for his mother in hospice and his family. The touch and presense of Christ is required and requested.

    We are holding he, and all of you up in prayer, as well.


  4. Lively says:

    Most nights our family sits down for a Bible study. When we’re done, we pray together and most times, my husband begins the prayer and it passes to each of us and then my husband ends it. At times, it is almost comical when the girls pray, especially my 9 year old. Rarely do we intercede, but occasionally her prayer will last 5 minutes or more. Her prayers have included the worms in the earth, the rain, her school mates, and for the salvation of every single person on earth. One memorable prayer of hers was when each time she asked for something she added, “But only if it’s Your will, Lord” she must have said that ten times. That night, we finally had to say – “Anya, He knows!”

    They understand, better than many adults, that God’s will and our desire do not always go hand in glove. I know they still wonder why it was God’s will that their dad died, because they ask. It’s been in teaching them that we’ve come to a better understanding that His will comes before ours. We’ve tried to teach them that first for our Father, then for our family and ourselves last. As Pooh has said, several times since I’ve joined this blog, taking verse out of context is not a wise idea. Directly after John 16:23, Jesus says in John 16:25

    “Though I have been speaking figuratively, a time is coming when I will no longer use this kind of language but will tell you plainly about my Father. 26In that day you will ask in my name. I am not saying that I will ask the Father on your behalf. 27No, the Father himself loves you because you have loved me and have believed that I came from God. 28I came from the Father and entered the world; now I am leaving the world and going back to the Father.”

    And even more importantly, just before his betrayal, Jesus prays to our Father,

    Mark 14:35 Going a little farther, he fell to the ground and prayed that if possible the hour might pass from him. 36″Abba, Father,” he said, “everything is possible for you. Take this cup from me. Yet not what I will, but what you will.”

    I think that John 16:26 speaks to why we offer our prayers through Jesus and Mark 14:36 shows us that there are times when God’s plan supersedes our wishes and some things simply must be the way they will be. Also, the Bible makes it clear in several places that you must pray with the “right frame of mind” for lack of a better term. Like, when I pray to win the lottery – and I do pray for that – I always, always add – but only if it will not harm us. I suspect that we often offer contradicting prayer; we pray for the well being of ourselves and our family and then tag on something that would be detrimental to us. I also believe that this verse illustrates how human Jesus was. I’ve hung on to this verse like a lifeline many times. Just prior to Mark 14:35 Jesus says, “My soul is overwhelmed with sorrow to the point of death.” For me, these verses are the most powerful verses in the Bible.

    Getting back to our family prayers, I mentioned that my husband normally ends our evening prayers. Sometimes, one of the girls will end our prayers. Often, they struggle for the right words but ultimately they acknowledge that without God’s sacrifice of His only Son we would not be able to pray to God, and we thank Him for His Gift to us. For me, for our family, it is extremely important that we remember the price that was paid by Jesus.

    “For without Him, oh Lord, our prayers would not be possible. Amen.”

  5. refump says:

    This topic has great timing in my life as I have been struggling with some adversity that I have praying for God to remove from my life but not getting the response I want. As jam200 stated earlier, “Do we really and truly want God’s will done in our lives?”, I would have to agree with him that I too, am not sure I want this all the time. As Mart stated, I was guilty of “wondering about the credibility of the Bible, question the point of prayer, & doubting whether God really loves me” because using Jesus name wasn’t getting me what I wanted. This was a great reminder to me that because He wants only the best for me that that I need to trust His timing & learn to lean on Him for strength during difficult times.

  6. SFDBWV says:

    I have always opended and closed my prayers with “in the name of Jesus”.

    Because it is through Jesus that we are able to come to the Father (John 14:6)”I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.”

    I close with the added feature of saying,”all this we ask in the name of Jesus of Nzareth, the Christ.”

    It places Christ’s seal upon my petetions.


  7. mjday11 says:

    In my family we have also always ended our prayers with “in the name of Jesus”. But what does that really mean?

    In those old time James Cagney movies, the cops would beat on the door of the gangster,s hideout and yell, “Open up in the name of the law!” The police were saying that they represented the power of the governing authorities.

    So maybe when we end our prayers, we’re asking that they be under the umbrella of God’s blessings.

  8. Bob in Cornwall England says:

    We have to remember that Jesus is our High Priest and is the mediator between God and Man.
    Not only does He present the Blood sacrifice to God as an offering for our sins, but He also is the Sacrifice.

    If we are sprinkled with His Blood, then we to can ask anything of the Father.
    When Jesus said to “Ask the Father in My name” He was trying to convey to the diciples that the Job was done and they could now have the same relationship with the Father as He did. Jesus was totally sumissive to His Fathers will, even to death.
    The pain of this life is but a fleeting moment compared to the everlasting Joy that awaits.
    There is no higher name in heaven or earth than Jesus and asking in His name is like having a letter of authority from the Queen or President that allows you entry to the Pallace or White House and to take or eat anything you want. AS Steve said it has the Royal Seal, or “It places Christ’s seal upon my petitions.”
    But we can only do/ask the will of The Father ‘else we are in sin again and loose the right of petition.


  9. Bob in Cornwall England says:

    The High Priest had to go through a ritual washing, similar to the washing of the diciples feet that Jesus did.

    We are cleansed by the Blood of The Lamb but need a daily washing of our feet so that the whole body is clean again.
    If we confess our sins He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
    Then we will be able to come to the Father and ask anything because we are in Jesus and He is in us.

  10. SFDBWV says:

    Acts 3:6, Then Peter said,” Silver and gold have I none; but such as I have give I thee: In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth rise up and walk.”

    John 14:12 “Verily, Verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto the Father.
    :13 “And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.”
    :14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.”

    What power did Peter and John possess that healed the Lame man? The Power that is found in the Name,(authority, reputation, character) Jesus the Christ of Nazareth.

    Rather than try and water down what Jesus has said to us. We should be wondering what is missing in our walk and faith with Christ, if we cannot do the works that Christ did.

    First of all. No matter whether we ask God to do His will or not, dosen’t really matter. He will have His way.

    The point is that we should rather prefer God’s will in our lives over our own wants.

    So our heart needs to be seen from God as surrendering our will to His.

    While He promises to give us the desires of our hearts (Ps 37:4).

    While waiting on the desires of our hearts to be fulfilled. We are to hold on to our faith, believe what Jesus has said and be patient. Even as the heros of faith mentioned in Hebrews 11. perhaps dying and not yet seeing thoes promises fully fulfilled. Yet never giving up the hope, always believing.


  11. Mart De Haan says:

    Steve, I appreciate your comments. But is it possible that we are “watering down” the “name of Jesus” by not recognizing that “praying in the name” is another way of saying to pray in a manner that aligns with the purposes, wisdom, and power of Christ?

  12. poohpity says:

    In the Acts 19:13 passage; A group of Jews was traveling from town to town casting out evil spirits. They tried to use the name of the Lord Jesus in their incantation, saying, “I command you in the name of Jesus, whom Paul preaches, to come out!” One can tell where their heart was by thinking they could use the name of Jesus but they did not KNOW him. Yet after their “misuse” of His name verse 17 says; “When this became known to the Jews and Greeks living in Ephesus, they were all seized with fear, and the name of the Lord Jesus was held in high honor.”

    It seems that the key to all the “misuse” of the name would be for those who truly do not know the Lord. It would seem if we did know that name then everything we do and say would be in the name of Jesus not to bring honor to ourselves but to the very Name we are covered with. It is not a magic name to get our will to be done, it is the person of the Godhead, a Holy Name that has given us right standing with the Father and as Phil 2:10 says; “that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth,”.

    Is it OK to pray in the name of Jesus, yes, if one truly wants His will to be done and to bring Glory to that name.

  13. poohpity says:

    Psalm 37:4 says; “4 Delight yourself in the LORD
    and he will give you the desires of your heart.”

  14. foreverblessed says:

    For almost a year now I am part of a new church, and here the people often do pray and end it without saying “in the name of Jesus”.
    To be honoust, I am still very uncomfortable with it, I add silently to it: God, we prayed in Jesus’name.
    Or: because of Jesus we pray this.
    But that is maybe my own lack of assurance that we ARE in His Name, and so we do not have to repeat it every time we pray. I have no quiet and peaceful rest about this yet, so until then, my last phrase will still be: in Jesus’name.

  15. kauaimom9 says:

    I have a little bit different take on this. Before I really committed my life to Jesus I considered myself a Christian, and probably was. But I did not know him. I knew about him. I prayed to the Father and some kind of a generic God.

    After I really gave my life as completely as we can to him, my prayers changed and I began praying TO him. To Jesus. My life changed. Radically.

    I have written a blog on my reasons for doing so (directing my prayers to Jesus) if anyone is interested in looking at it. The bottom line is what is in our hearts, not the words we use.

  16. poohpity says:

    That was beautiful rdrcomp.

  17. Rajnesh says:

    Does God “want” us to be “completely” dependent on Him? And if so, how much of it is also true that He will help those, who fist help themselves?
    My prayers are mostly in a general conversation sort of way but always ends with….in the name of the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit….Amen! I’m suddenly beginning to believe that I should use….in Jesus name
    more often because afterall, no one goes unto the
    Father except through Jesus.

  18. bubbles says:

    Xavier is thankful for your prayers. The Lord has worked in his siblings’ hearts last evening. Please continue to pray for his family.

  19. Lively says:

    rdr – the chaplin might not have been amused, but it certianly amused me.

  20. foreverblessed says:

    Very very beautifully said rdrcomp,
    that’s our Redeemer, our Doorway to God, always, and everytime

  21. SFDBWV says:

    Mart, didn’t want to touch a nerve. Sorry. In my comments I stated that ” The power that is found in the name ( authority, reputation, charcater) Jesus the Christ of Nazareth.”

    The power in the name, is the person of the Christ, We condense what we both are saying by simply using the name of Jesus as our athority.

    No magic, but only power from and through the one who grants us the use of His name.

    I am reminded of a story about Robert E. Lee. After the Civil War, some people came to General Lee and ask him to endorse some product by their use of his good name. He would not allow it even though it came with a nice profit for doing nothing.

    General Lee said a mans name is representitive of who and what he is, his name was not for sale.

    The name of Jesus is representative of who He is and all that the name implies.


  22. phpatato says:

    rdrcomp, that touched me more than you know. Thank you for posting.

    Xavier, you and your family are in my prayers.

    Stacy, I am thinking of your 2 patients and of course your back. Hope all is well with the recovering part.

    Frank, I am praying for your mom and you too. How is Jim doing??? I think of him often.

  23. Lively says:

    phpatato – thanks! daughter heads back to school tomorrow – hubby still miserable – he had the stints taken out yesterday. Back is doing much much better :-)

  24. poohpity says:

    Rajnesh, I would like to address what you said, “Does God “want” us to be “completely” dependent on Him? And if so, how much of it is also true that He will help those, who fist help themselves?” It says no where in the bible that the Lord will help those who help themselves, it does however say that the Lord will help those who are unable to help themselves. I believe we are to be totally dependent on the Lord for everything. Does that mean to sit in the house and not work for my food if I am able, no. That is a whole other discussion. Do you remember the story of the Exodus from Egypt God provided food, a cloud covering from the heat, a pillar of fire for warmth at night, water and His guidance. Could these Israelites have worked for their food, yes, but the lesson being God wanted to be their soul/sole provider.

  25. Ted M. Gossard says:

    Our prayers in public, and of course anywhere do need to be distinctly Christian. Good to think through what that means. I have to admit I see the evangelical practice as stale and narrow in a way which fails to take in all of what Scripture bears out, as well as what we can learn from the Christian Tradition. Yet at the same time, I value what we do, and we need to hold on to that as well. Others need that from us.

  26. Grace48 says:

    Last night and so much today I prayed and ended my silent prayers in Jesus’ name. My youngest daughter’s illness took a downward turn and she’s back in the hospital again. Please pray for her.

    When I pray and end prayers in Jesus’ name it’s because He’s our Saviour and He’s even called our High Priest in the New Testament. He’s been with us through so much. If not for what Jesus did on the cross, how would I even dare to approach God to ask or to speak at all? Yet through Jesus we learn of God’s great love for us.

    A little while ago my older daughter and I prayed together for healing and help, for God to be with our family member in the hospital. We both know that we don’t know what God’s will is. Sometimes we have to just keep on remembering how tightly God holds us in His Three in One hands of love no matter where we are.

  27. mrs.guiza says:

    “……the name of Jesus has no inherent power.” I am deeply disturbed by this quote.
    I have found power in the name of Jesus. I called upon his name and was saved.
    Is there any other name under heaven by which we can be saved?
    “at the name of Jesus every knee shall bow”
    The name of Jesus divides. Mention Allah,Buddah, Muhammad and no one is offended.
    Mention Jesus and everyone says …you can’t say
    that name….you can’t pray in Jesus’ name.
    Jesus’ name is power because he is who he says he is. He is Immanuel-God with us. I will pray in no other name. He is my mediator and I am dependant upon him to bring me to the Father.
    I mean no personal offense to you Mart. I enjoy reading your blogs but I must say that there is power in the name of Jesus.

  28. Bob in Cornwall England says:

    I agree with you entirely, the name of JESUS does have power!
    There is also “Power in the Blood of Jesus!!!!”
    When I first read this blog I, rather like listening to a politician, agreed somewhat with Mart. I understand where he is coming from when he mentioned what happened to the seven sons of Sceva. They did not have the authority to use the name of Jesus, they were copying what they saw others doing. Jesus gave His diciples the right to use His name when He told them to ask anything in His name etc.
    In my own expeience, when I was a teenager and first came to know Jesus in the late 60’s at the start of the charismatic revival in Britain, I saw many wonders and signs and people all around me being filled with the Holy Spirit. I was too frightened to go to the front and let Jean Darnel pray for me. As a young “gay” man who had told no one his secret, I was scared God would suddenly shine His light and my soul would be laid bare for all to see. So I started to mimick talking in toungues etc. so I didn’t have to go to the front. Over the years this has caused me great grief and inner searching as, to this day, I sometimes doubt if I have really been baptised in the Holy Spirit.
    I have asked God for a real fill your boots experience, but have trusted that when I speak in toungues and feel the Holy Spirit in me that it is real.
    I am reading a book now by Heather Double who, with her husband Don, has lead “Good News Crusade” all over the world. Even to her death she always had a nagging doubt about that even though she had to be carried home after being “filled with the Spirit”. It Seems the devil uses the little cracks in our armour and never lets go of our doubts.
    What I am saying is that yes, the name of Jesus is mighty and Higher than any other and that at the Name of Jesus every knee shall bow. But we must know HIM before we start bandying his name about. I say Amen to using the phrase “IN JESUS NAME” as long as HE Lives in our hearts.

  29. Mart De Haan says:

    I appreciate the discussion and did not express in the original post the extent to which I consciously and with words rely on the person and work of Christ for access to God. It is very clear to me that I have no basis on which to approach God apart from Jesus’ substitutionary sacrifice of blood/death, and advocacy for me.

    Neither did I express in the original post my confidence in Jesus as the one on whom our salvation and rescue (in every respect) depends upon.

    There is, however, the point that I’m convinced is worth being disturbed about for purposes of clarification.

    There are many people named “Jesus” just as there are many ways to use the name of “Jesus, the Son of God”. Many uses of Jesus’ name are profane and pagan at heart. There are also many prayers that God does not “hear”. Jesus made it clear that there are different kinds of prayers, some of which do not move the heart of God.

    For these reasons I believe it is important, sooner rather than later in our journey of faith, to acknowledge that “There is no power in the name of Jesus– in and of itself, just as there is no power in prayer”– in and of itself.

    If prayer has power, it is the power of God responding to an honest plea of faith and truth that pleases God and moves him to act in our behalf.

    If there is power in the Name of Jesus, it is the power of the Son of God who comes to us by that Name and who needs to be honored as a person who cannot be “used” in the same way we might try to “use” or “manipulate” a name the way others have tried to “use” or “manipulate” prayers that do not please our Lord.

    For these reasons, and because it seems to me that what we are talking about is a form of prayer that is rooted more in tradition and usage than in biblical example, I believe we need to ask questions like, “Why didn’t Paul (who prayed such Christ-centered prayers, pray the way we do?”

    Having made the point, I believe there is a real danger of avoiding the name of Jesus in public prayers for fear of offending others. Like many of you, I also am concerned that it would be very easy to slip into a pattern of prayer that forgets that only by the person and work of Christ Jesus that we have access to God.

  30. Bob in Cornwall England says:

    I know from later experiences and by the groanings from my inner man, that The Holy Spirit lives in me.
    I rarely pray in public but know from the times I have spent in “my most secret place” that Jesus Lives in me and have no doubt that when He breathed on His diciples in the upper room, so that they may recieve the Holy Spirit, He also Breathed on me :-)

  31. Mart De Haan says:

    Bob, after hitting the “submit button” I discovered that I was writing the above comment as you were… Thank you for clarifying the point before I did :-)…

  32. Bob in Cornwall England says:

    Many People in this world actually use the name of Jesus as a sware word.
    And to mention His name in public is taboo in most civil meetings. Our local authority has just been slated for starting its meeting with “Christian only Prayers”
    I feel we should keep His name up front even when we are threatened with prosecution under the law of man.
    I hope you are not in Great Falls, as you should be tucked up in bed at this time of day.
    10:10am here

  33. Mart De Haan says:

    Also need to ask your understanding and forgiveness in seldom responding to personal needs, hurts, and experiences expressed in comments. I, maybe wrongly, fear the possibility hurting some by only responding to “others”.

    For that reason, am so grateful to you “as a group” responding to one another– as you do– with such heart and concern.,

  34. Mart De Haan says:

    Yeh, it’s a bit earlier here… :-)… but as a result of jet-lag patterns have found that I’m better off trying to get some things done earlier in the day before I’m spent…

  35. Bob in Cornwall England says:

    Steve should be up soon to keep you company! lol

    Getting up at 5:30 GMT as I do I know how you feel later in the day.
    Take Care, and Thank You for allowing us to have so much freedom here and to share our thoughts and fears.
    I am glad we all have different oppinions but are able to know the same Truth and the Same God.

    There is only one God! and only One way to Him in Jesus!!

    Quick! the PC Police are at the door :-)

  36. Rajnesh says:


    Thank you for answering my question. You know, it’s funny that you used Exodus as an example. By way of the recent ODB, Deadly Sins I found myself at the Biblegateway site and having putting it off for so long, meaning the Bible in one year, I said to myself “start now” and the good old Holy Spirit had everything to do with it. So, I clicked on reading plan and consequently I read about The Passover and The Exodus. I know of the Bible in bits and pieces only.


    Please don’t be apologetic, you’re making me feel bad. Look at all that you’ve made possible. Talk about being “chosen” and used as a “vessel” in such a big way. I thank you, my friend.

    To Everyone,

    Until I start going back to church or take Bible studies, I “thank you” in advance for helping me with any answers I may seek.

  37. SFDBWV says:

    Once again I have had to be at the task of dealing with snow again, for the past few mornings.

    I always find my thinking clearer in these early morning hours before the dawn. When I attempt to quiet my mind and listen to God.

    Before all the hustle and bustle the daylight brings.

    The disciples were first called Christians at Antioch. Somewhere in the ages all people who believe in Jesus of Nazareth, to be the Christ, were called Christians.

    My faith is based upon every word of scripture writen, from Genesis thru Revelation. Based on the acceptance and knowledge that this man Jesus of Nazareth is who He claims to be. Based on the witness accounts of His death and resurection. Based on the assurance what the Holy Spirit has etched into my heart and mind.

    Mart would you say that someone who prays to God and is not a believer,in that access to God comes only through Jesus Christ, is heard as well as those who do believe in Jesus being the only gateway to the Father?

    John 14:6 “: no man cometh to the Father but by me.”

    2 Thess 3:6 “Now we command you, brethern, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he recieved us.”

    I believe that there is only one way to be heard from God in prayer. That the prayer be offered up in the name of Jesus Christ as being my right to come before God. I believe that my prayer can only be granted because of Jesus Christ and my faith in Him. That God honors His Son the Christ.

    Because I believe these things, I am called a Christian.

    Out of time…


  38. Lively says:

    Bob – thank you for the chuckle this morning (pc police comment) starting the day with a laugh is only second to starting with a joyful prayer. Some mornings, I get neither – today it was both!

    I too, thank you Mart for allowing such latitude here. It’s wonderful to have a safe haven to grow in my understanding of His Word.

    I have to agree that there is no power in a word, including a name. Yet, we assign power to certain words. As Christians, I don’t think any of you would argue that the written word God evokes a powerful response and yet, if I write god you will certainly react differently. When I am writing, I take extreme care not to use the word god to start a sentence; I never want to run the risk of people confusing to whom I am referring to. When I read the name, Jesus in the context of a story or an article and it is meant to refer to just a man, not our Savior, I flinch. His name carries power for me. But, it isn’t the name in and of itself; I flinch because even though I know Jesus is referring to a fellow down in Mexico it is enough to set my “faith trigger”. But, it just sets it because it is just a word – it is not God’s word. It takes more than a word to actually pull the trigger.

    Hebrew 4:12 For the word of God is living and active Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.

    With the power of God behind it, the name Jesus becomes living and active, and in prayer, isn’t that what we want? Isn’t prayer our request that God bear His power down on this earth, maybe even through us? I’d be willing to say there is not a person who actively participates in this blog that would not be honored beyond measure to be His tool on this earth. Once in my life He used me in such a way, my words had His power because they weren’t my words – they just happened to come out of my mouth. They could have as easily come out of an ass and they would have been just as mighty – but He chose me to deliver His message. When it was done, I experienced such a humbling joy, I remember sitting in my van saying, “wow, Lord thank you so much for allowing me to be Your tool.”


    p.s. Pooh, I think that verse can stand on its own, yes? (teasing you a bit, but serious about it, too) and for anyone who has not shot a gun that has a double set trigger – you have to “pull” twice; the first squeeze sets the trigger mechanism, there is an audible click and the second squeeze actually fires the gun.

  39. Lively says:

    Oh, Steve… have you seen the forcast for ths weekend? Could be a real humdinger of snow! I’m praying it will pass over us. The current track of the storm looks like it will dump a whole lot of the white stuff on us, again.

  40. foreverblessed says:

    Thanks Mart for being so free in giving this space for all of us to share. Thank you all for blogging here.
    Raynesh, nice that you join us. We are learning here together.
    Good luck with all the snow.
    (Pat, I have a comment for you on the former topic, did you see?)
    And I want to share something, last friday the migraine came back, the medicine didn’t work. Felt a bit discouraged, I try not to worry, because everything will be allright. Like the friends of Daniel said: Even if God does not heal me, I still will trust My God (Daniel 3:17-18). But if anyone has a prayer for me, thanks.
    It is easy to say, look up to God, but how to do that when you are so sick. You can only cry out: Help me God, in the name of Jesus.
    And then wait patiently.
    Maybe I should rejoice now, because patience is being formed in me.
    Thanks God, for the patience!

  41. SFDBWV says:

    Stacy, Yes I have seen the weather picture, ugh…

    We’ve recieved another 8.5 inches the last couple days, and when I spoke with the forcasters there in Sterling VA last niight they expected we would just keep getting pounded this week.

    But with your and my prayers, maybe we can turn the storm and get some relief.


  42. Mart De Haan says:

    I think you’ve raised an important question about whether those outside of Christ have any limited access to God (i.e. prayers that are “heard”)through Christ. My guess is yes. From the time our first parents sinned, and God killed an animal to cover them, it seems that any help or kindness that God shows to anyone is meant to lead to repentance and the salvation bought by Christ.

    I find interesting that the comment that “we know that God doesn’t hear the prayer of sinners” was made by a person outside of Christ… and may be of limited accuracy.

  43. Lively says:

    Oh, I missed that comment that “we know that God doesn’t hear the prayer of sinners”

    I might not know the Bible as well as some here – but I KNOW this – God does to hear the prayers of sinners. We’re all sinners – saved or not. We’re all equal sinners – none sin more or less than others in God’s view. Human perspective puts some sins “worse” than others. God forgives all sins, but one – at least that is what I’ve been taught.

    Doesn’t the Lord cause it to rain on the disbliever, as well as the believer? Why would God withold His grace and mercy from some? God is not petty or mean spirited (as some would have us believe) I will not believe that He would turn aside a heartfelt prayer by a nonbeliever – because if a man is praying there is a part of him that does believe – even if he is not aware of it.

    The heart knows the truth even when the head doesn’t. My middle daughter made me look up a video on youtube last night – it’s called Deathbed by Relient K. It’s pretty powerful and the story of a disbeliever who sent up a prayer to a God he wasn’t sure was really there.

    I’m certian of it, Mart. God hears all true prayer – from everyone.


    p.s. I’ll pray harder for no snow for both of us, Steve!

  44. Lively says:

    forever – you have my sympathy and my prayer for the migraine.

  45. poohpity says:

    Hey you guys, I was doing good about being the police when I saw that Mart’s post was being misunderstood. I did not say anything. :-) I have to let you know when I posted something against the guidelines it got deleted with a email to tell me why, so I gave up being the police on the last topic. I have turned in my badge, lol.

  46. pegramsdell says:

    God helps children. And they don’t help themselves. Sometimes old sayings are not exactly scriptural. If we ask for help from our natural parents wouldn’t they try to help? If it was good for us?

    And yes I believe God wants us to ask Him for everything. He wants us to depend on Him for sure. Because He can always be depended on.
    He is trustworthy and faithful and will always run to our rescue. Praise God.

  47. SFDBWV says:

    When I watch the other religions of the world pray, I often find myself wondering about the process.

    I have always believed God to be all knowing, all seeing, everywhere at once in all of His creation. No matter what the religion. In a way I may never be able to fully comprehend.

    He knows the heart and intent of every person. How else could He judge at the end of all things.

    We Christians, are not judged for our sins, because of the blood of Christ. But we are judged by Christ for our actions concerning our relationship with Him. We do not lose our salvation, but can lose rewards. As well as our placement in the coming Kingdom. This is an over simplification of how I understand the process.

    But what of thoes who pray to God, who are not Christian? Jesus said, no man comes to the Father except by Him (Jn 14:6). But does this actualy state that God does not hear the prayer of a non believer? Or that the prayer is ignored? Or is special attention given to the prayers of Christians.

    It is written “Confes your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.” James 5:16

    What makes a man righteous, or unrighteous, in the sight of God?

    The Lord is righteous, even Pharaoh said so Ex 9:27, Ezra 9:15 agrees,as well as Psalms 129:4, and Lam 1:18.

    One can go to Proverbs and begin to see the character of the righteous outlined.

    This is one of thoes situations, where we are required to do something, not just believe something. However any righteous behavior that comes from me comes only from the One who is in me, that one who enables me to any good thing, His light His Spirit. If I am to be righteous, it is because Christ lives through me, and it is His righteousness that is seen, not mine.

    So if the prayers of a righteous man carries a lot of weight with God, it is because that righteousness is from the Son.

    Goodnight to all


  48. saled says:

    There is indeed power in words. The last four paragraphs of Mart’s post are sobering, yet inspire hope at the same time.

    Maybe what it all boils down to is the question of what spirit do we pray in. I pray with the awareness that I can talk to God only because of the work of reconciliation that Jesus did on the cross. Early on in my Christian life I became aware that saying ,”in Jesus’ name, Amen.” was ritualistic. I mentioned it to my husband’s mother, and she said that she thought it would be presumptuous not to say the words at the end of my prayers. Sometimes I use these words, sometimes not, but always with the awareness of who opened the gate for me. I find myself ritualistic in the opening of my prayers also. My mother-in-law always used the term, Heavenly Father. I use it often, out of habit. But I love to call him El Shadi. Excuse my spelling, I think it means all-sufficient God. I find it uplifting that He wants us to depend on Him, that he doesn’t think I am irresponsible because I don’t have a large bank account or retirement plan.

    Some of the words in the post that really struck me were these: “There will be seasons in our lives that parallel Jesus’ struggle in the Garden of Gethsemane.
    . . . In those moments, praying in Jesus’ name will
    mean breathing and meaning “nevertheless, not my will but your will be done.”

    Regarding the question of does God hear the prayer of the unsaved, sometimes I think I am still being saved. Or maybe I was always saved. Or maybe I am saved. Or maybe I will be saved. Time is a hard concept to wrap our minds around. I mark my salvation at certain place and time when I was 23. But I said the sinners prayer a hundred times before and after. Sometimes I still say it, but I know Jesus has opened the gate to God for me.

  49. afranz says:

    In Acts chapter 10, an angel tells Cornelius that his prayers and alms have ascended as a memorial before God. Cornelius follows the angel’s instructions and sends for Peter who leads him to the Lord Jesus Christ. Cornelius was not even a Jew, but feared God and did what was acceptable to Him. Yet God sent Peter to Cornelius to put the finishing touches on this man’s life…JESUS CHRIST. Without believing in Jesus his sins could not have been forgiven. Then he and all those he had gathered in his household were baptized “in Jesus name.”
    Just reading over a few of these stories about the apostles, it amazes me how much certainty they wielded with the use of that name. I just wonder if we have lost some of that because we hear His name used so much in the wrong way.
    The weather here is changing again, back to cold and more snow on the way. But on a brighter note, I saw some jonquils poking their noses out of the ground on the east side of the house. They are always early, and seem to survive to bloom in March. If that crazy ground hog stays in his burrow next Tuesday it will all be over in 6 weeks. LOL

  50. AmazedbyHis grace says:

    Back to misuse.I believe that if we are questioning such things, we need to re-focus. Our Lord is the Alpha and Omega and we are bound within. We’re already acknowledging this from time we believe to the time we die. His word, His will, not the order that we pray it produces the fruit. If not, Shazaam, we’d all be rich. With words left for us, we can pray, hope and claim promises, but it’s all in God’s will for He alone knows what’s best for us.
    The most misused damaging words a Christian can say and one of satans tools is, “God will never give you anything you can’t handle,” and then refer someone to 1 Corinthians 10:13. That verse is clearly talking about sin. And yes, I believe He does allow us things we can’t handle. Those of us who know him will grasp on to Him in those times. However, what about the people who don’t know Him? They just lost their job, their loved one or their house and can’t handle it. In their darkness, they are blaming God. Are they thinking that God must really hate them because they heard He certainly wouldn’t give anyone anything they can’t handle? How sad to have added those words and taken the verse completely out of context.

  51. SFDBWV says:

    I wonder how many Protestant believers still cross themselves, as is the tradition in the Catholic faith?

    Or clasp their hands together, in the style of prayer shown in so many pieces of art?

    How many of us lay prostrate on the ground as did David, or kneel in the crouched position as did Elijah, while praying?

    Are any of the styles and traditions wrong?

    What we do in spirit, transfers to the mind, what we have in our mind is acted out in our physical actions. Somehow someway.

    I was troubled by this topic. It has always been my desire to uplift other believers. Not to harm their walk with God. Always trying to remember that not all of us are equal in faith or the understanding of scripture. Not establishing a superior attitude while attempting to educate another to any truth of scripture they themselves have not yet learned. As well as be enlightened and taught myself.

    As a Christian I have always thought it my responsibility to do all things in the Name of Jesus. Whether it be charity or any action required of me. In conversation between peoples or the work of my hands. All done in the Name of Jesus. This is an attitude, and an attitude of the heart. What is in my heart comes out of my mouth.

    So my tradition is that my prayers to the Father are offered in the name of Jesus.


  52. poohpity says:

    Steve, you have the faith in Jesus and pray in that authority. You offer the name of Jesus at the end of your prayers with heart felt and sincere love of Him. You know that it is the power of the person of Jesus not just saying His name. I believe you honestly want His will not yours to be done. I believe you are good to go.

    Like the brothers in Sceve they thought the power was in just saying the name while they did not know the person or even who He is.

  53. Lively says:


    I chuckled at your post when you mentioned hand clasping. My 2 1/2 year old has been clasping his hands and bowing his head for some time now. I don’t think he understand why, except that is what mommy, daddy and his sisters do before a meal. Occasionally, he’ll say, “amen” It’s cute – but it has no meaning to him, yet. Or, maybe it does. I don’t really know.

    I agree with you, strongly. Especially about causing a fellow brother or sister to stumble in his or her walk. But, I think that at times tradition become rote actions – a reflex with no reflection behind it. I think it’s good to check oneself to ensure that this isn’t the case.


  54. poohpity says:

    I knew this guy who used to make the sign of the Cross when he passed his Catholic Church with his girlfriend in the car while his wife sat at home pregnant. Talk about watered down. In Exodus 20:7; the third commandment says, “You shall not misuse the name of the LORD your God, for the LORD will not hold anyone guiltless who misuses his name”. I think this is more in line with what Mart was saying about this topic. How many people literally “USE” the name of our Lord as a way to get something they want without even knowing who He is.

  55. poohpity says:

    And certainly not to bring Glory to that name.

  56. foreverblessed says:

    Does God hear sinners who use the name of Jesus.
    Did I tell this story already? It is about a Hindu man in India, who was persecuting christians.
    One time he was lingering outside a church just waiting for the moment to attack, when a man came around and asked if someone could come home with him and pray for his mother who was very ill. The hinduman thought: I’ll give it a try, to prove this Jesus stuff is all nonsense. He went with the man to the sick woman, closed his eyes and started to pray, like he had seen the christians do when he was spying on them, and said: Be healed in the name of Jesus Christ.
    The woman was instantly healed! Immediately he was asked to go with someone else, his son was paralytic, he went with him, this time he kept his eyes open, and said the same prayer, Be healed in the name of Jesus Christ! And right in front of his eyes the boy was healed! THe hindu man was shocked to bits. Ran outside, and started to talk to Jesus: Jesus, I am your enemy, and yet You listened to me.
    Today, this man is a powerfull minister in Jesus’ hands.
    God has mercy on whom He has mercy. Exodus 33:19

  57. daisymarygoldr says:

    Very important and timely topic! Regardless of what men teach, I must obey God. And His Holy Spirit teaches me to pray to God the Father in the name of His Son Jesus Christ. So, when I pray in the name of Jesus, it is much more than adding the phrase “in Jesus’ name” to the end of my prayers.

    It means to not only believe in my heart but also to confess with the words of my mouth that only because of Jesus, I am adopted into the family of God to be called His child. It is because of His Beloved Son I am now able to come to God and address Him as my Abba, Father!

    Remember, our public prayers are a powerful witness to the gospel of Christ. When I pray in the name of Jesus, it is not simply to ask… it is also to exalt and proclaim Him to the authorities, principalities, powers, rulers of both the seen and the unseen spiritual world… to the glory of God the Father (Phil 2: 9-11).

    In our prayers if we lift up the name of Jesus, then it serves as our testimony which points others to the only name above all names—“Yeshua” by which one can be saved.

    Hence, my Christian testimony is not an option as to whether I should just live and express the attitude/spirit of Jesus or to use words to preach and pray the name of Jesus. Both are required… the words and the deeds!

    If people manipulate the name of Jesus, then it is the duty of the Church leadership to teach people to use it the right way. Just because some misuse the name of Jesus or are named “Jesus”, does not mean I should not pray in the name of Jesus. Two wrongs do not make a right!

    The same may be applied to preaching…i.e. just because the name of Jesus offends or scares or drives away others, does not imply we should stop preaching Jesus. Heard all kinds of lame justifications right here at this blog site where some even quoted St. Francis of Assisi’s “Preach the gospel and if necessary use words”.

    Our God used the spoken and written words to communicate and we are also likewise called to speak… our speech should always be proved by our actions…because if we pray or preach in Jesus’ name and do not do… or walk accordingly, then we will be judged as hypocrites (Matt 7:22).

    Therefore, it all the more compels me to not simply talk or pray but to also walk and live like Jesus Christ!

  58. daisymarygoldr says:

    To pray using generic terms like “God”, “Lord” “father” is easy… it does not require taking a clear stand. It confuses the hearers… in fact the prayer in “Delayed Consequences”- ODB, January 26, 2010, will cause an unbeliever to remain clueless as to which god that prayer was directed… Allah? Buddha? Rama or Krishna?

    Also without specifically mentioning the name of Jesus, we can play it safe by sounding all-inclusive and politically correct. However, true followers of Christ have a higher calling… to not remain straddling the fence, but to step across and commit… to openly and boldly confess the name of Jesus at every possible opportunity as long as we get to journey in the land of the living.

    For in the grave, there is no remembrance of God and neither can we pray, praise or thank Him in the grave (Ps 6:5)

    So, when I hear a Pastor or a Bible teacher or a fellow believer pray without mentioning the name of Jesus, I can never bring myself to say “Amen” to such prayers. No matter how good the sermon, an impersonal prayer gives away a person’s personal relationship with God.

    If we love God, we will also love people. The intimacy of our vertical relationship with Him determines every other lateral relationship we have with people. And so, an impersonal communication with God reflects a proud heart that reeks of an impersonal attitude toward others!

    So yes, there is indeed real danger to avoid the name of Jesus… not of whether our prayers will be heard or accepted but lest we offend and become a stumbling block to the faith of our weaker believers (like me) in Christ!

  59. daisymarygoldr says:

    And as I had said earlier in the past, when praying in a group “in Jesus name, Amen”…helps others know that my prayer has ended but then it does not necessarily mean we have to always end our prayers with that specific catch phrase.

    Have personally heard many godly men and women pray in Jesus’ name in several different ways… the whole point is to give glory to God by specifically mentioning the name of Jesus.

    The prophets spoke in the name of the Lord (James 5:10). The early NT Christians clearly prayed and preached the name of Jesus. Stephen prayed, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.” (Acts 7:59). Peter prayed and healed in the name of Jesus and…

    Q: “Why didn’t Paul (who prayed such Christ-centered prayers, pray the way we do?”
    A: Paul’s prayers always mentioned Jesus Christ and here are a few:

    “[For I always pray to] the God of our Lord Jesus Christ…” Eph. 1:17

    “And this I pray… through Jesus Christ (the Anointed One).” Phil. 1:9-11

    “…may our God and Father…at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ (the Messiah) … Amen, (so be it)!” 1 Thes. 3:11-13; 5:23

    “I bow my knees before the Father… To Him be glory in the church and in Christ Jesus throughout all generations forever and ever. Amen (so be it).” (Eph. 3:14-21)!

  60. daisymarygoldr says:

    Having said all of the above, it must be noted that only followers of Christ have the privilege to pray in the name of Jesus because only we enjoy a deep and personal relationship with God to know that

    – The Lord knows me and has called me by my personal name even when I was in the body of my mother (Isa 43:1; 49:1)

    – My name is engraved on the back of His hands. Isaiah 49 :16

    – The Good Shepherd calls His own sheep by name (John 10 :3)

    – In the end my name will be called out from within the book of life. Phil 4:3

    Therefore, we are also not ashamed to identify with the personal name of Jesus… to publicly speak or pray in the precious name of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!

  61. daisymarygoldr says:

    Forgot to say, Grace48: your youngest daughter is in my prayers… Also been praying for Xavier’s mother and foreverblessed’s migraine… and Frank: pray and hope for God to heal your mother’s Pneumonia and restore her to good health once again…

  62. 1oftheflock says:

    I remember as a child being taught to bow my head when speaking the name of Jesus, as an outward sign of respect.
    Jesus’ name is above all names and to acknowledge His supremacy by submitting our prayers in His name is to acknowledge our total dependency on God our creator and our savior. What other name is as powerful? He knows our prayers before we even pray them, that’s why we have the Holy Spirit to intercede in our unholiness.
    Philippians 2

    Be Like Christ

    1Therefore if there is any encouragement in Christ, if there is any consolation of love, if there is any (A)fellowship of the Spirit, if any (B)affection and compassion,
    2(C)make my joy complete by (D)being of the same mind, maintaining the same love, united in spirit, intent on one purpose.

    3Do nothing from (E)selfishness or (F)empty conceit, but with humility of mind (G)regard one another as more important than yourselves;

    4(H)do not merely look out for your own personal interests, but also for the interests of others.

    5(I)Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in (J)Christ Jesus,

    6who, although He (K)existed in the (L)form of God, (M)did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped,

    7but [a](N)emptied Himself, taking the form of a (O)bond-servant, and (P)being made in the likeness of men.

    8Being found in appearance as a man, (Q)He humbled Himself by becoming (R)obedient to the point of death, even (S)death on a cross.
    9(T)For this reason also, God (U)highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him (V)the name which is above every name,

    10so that at the name of Jesus (W)EVERY KNEE WILL BOW, of (X)those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth,

    11and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is (Y)Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

  63. foreverblessed says:

    Thanks Daisy, and Lively your sympathy did me very very good yesterday, I am strengthened by God, through Jesus.
    Asking for prayer is also a learning proces, and also give their personal advice to me. And that is good to experience, it teaches me to be very careful with what you say to those who are in distress. When I am ministering to someone who asks my prayers.

  64. poohpity says:

    Mart’s conclusion was, “So can we conclude that whether we can honestly say (in agreement with the heart of Jesus) “yet not my will.. but your will be done”– is more important than adding “in Jesus Name” to a prayer… that may not really have been prayed in Jesus’ interests or honor?”

    I think that is the reason for the topic and thinking that praying “In the name of Jesus” maybe for some “watered down” the true meaning of that close relationship and determining for us to put the Lord’s will ahead of what we may desire or want. The understanding that Jesus knows what is truly in the best interest of those who follow after Him and thirst with an unquenchable desire to lay their lives in His hands.

  65. Rajnesh says:

    You know Pooh, connecting the last part of your post with that of Saled….where she ponders….how do I know I’m “saved”?
    The day I’m able to “completely” and “honestly” lay my life in His hands. And that day could come in the form of….Lord, they did this and that to me, please avenge me or punish them like this and that. In other words, I’m able to “forgive” my enemies and cast aside these “foolish” an eye for an eye mentality or better yet turn the other cheek. Personally, that is the moment/day I’ll know I’m “saved”.

  66. Rajnesh says:

    Saled, I enjoyed your post. I love posts in their simplicity. Sometimes, I’ll see all these words in a post and quickly do a…Lord, help me understand this, ok. And the “duh” in me may do a second and third read-over and still not get it, lol.

  67. daisymarygoldr says:

    Some more random thoughts…

    It is understandable if many followers of Jesus in these post-modern times feel shy or embarrassed about using the name of Jesus. As for me, I know that “Old is Gold” and the wise who really understand its worth will always seek to stay on the old paths (Jer 6:16).

    Although it will be frowned on, it is good to not forsake the traditions handed down to us by those who are in the Lord because the Bible tells us that we must hold on to the “traditions” that were taught to us, whether by letter or by word of mouth (2 Thess 2:15).

    Why didn’t Jesus pray in His name? I know the answer and I prayerfully hope you do too!

  68. poohpity says:

    Romans 10:9,10; “9That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved.”

  69. poohpity says:

    daisy, you may do a keyword search for “In the name of Jesus” at biblegateway.com. It is eye opening.

  70. daisymarygoldr says:

    poohpity, thanks for the suggestion! You are a wonderful Bible teacher and I am so blessed by all that I get to learn from you. You are greatly loved and cherished in the Lord!

  71. daisymarygoldr says:

    poohpity, sorry if my comment was not clear because of the word “confess”. To confess means to say… as in “the good confession before many witnesses” 1 Tim 6:12.

    So, you are right about “to confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord” in order to be saved. I used or misused:) the word in the sense: to declare openly i.e. when I pray in the name of Jesus my mouth actually says aloud what is in my heart… to ask according to His will so that His will may be done.

  72. Lively says:

    pooh – Verily, thou art treasured mightily.

    KJV – total change of mindset when I read it. Great suggestion. I did it and all I can say is – Acts rocks.


  73. plumbape says:

    I know, I know, ooh, ooh, Pick me I know the answer to that one…!!

    Daisymarygoldr> you are without a doubt the most misunderstood one on this blog. Which might explain why I think I understand you now, lol. I laugh even though I’m being serious because I’m not sure if I can make myself understood about what I mean to say. In other words;

    I know you believe you understand what you think I said but I’m not sure you realize what you heard is not what I meant.

    Okay forget that one, just a stupid saying I used to say real fast to people to leave them wondering what I meant so I could head for the door.

    You have faith that you have not even touched on, that far surpasses most people I’ve ever met.

  74. plumbape says:

    An Irishman, a Mexican and a American ape were doing construction work on scaffolding on the 20th floor of a building..

    They were eating lunch and the Irishman said, ‘Corned beef and cabbage! If I get corned beef and cabbage one more time for lunch, I’m going to jump off this building.’

    The Mexican opened his lunch box and exclaimed, ‘Burritos again! If I get burritos one more time I’m going to jump off, too.’

    The ape opened his lunch and said, ‘ Bologna again! If I get a bologna sandwich one more time, I’m jumping too.’

    The next day, the Irishman opened his lunch box, saw corned beef and cabbage, and jumped to his death.

    The Mexican opened his lunch, saw a burrito, and jumped, too.

    The ape opened his lunch, saw the bologna and jumped to his death as well.

    At the funeral, the Irishman’s wife was weeping. She said, ‘If I’d known how really tired he was of corned beef and cabbage, I never would have given it to him again!’

    The Mexican’s wife also wept and said, ‘I could have given him tacos or enchiladas! I didn’t realize he hated burritos so much.’

    Everyone turned and stared at the ape’s wife. The ape’s wife said,

    ‘Don’t look at me. The idiot makes his own lunch.’

  75. poohpity says:

    LOL :-0 ape you really tickle me.

    That was regarding being saved or not that Rajnesh brought up. Once you are saved you do not have to ask again but when you sin one must confess and God is faithful to forgive. Salvation is a gift and God does not take it back.

  76. Lively says:

    I wonder, pooh – do you think someone can throw it away? I know it’s a change of subject, Mart – but it’s an issue that is heavy on my heart right now. I’m extremely concerned about a friend of my family – it’s made me wonder if you can throw your salvation away – if you can I fear he has.

    If this is too far off subject, I understand.


  77. daisymarygoldr says:

    Michael:), that was a good one! And as long as you are around on this blog I’m least worried about being misunderstood. ok so, what is the answer?

  78. poohpity says:

    Lively, I do not think so. I believe that once you are the Lord’s you are always His. You may choose to go your own way similar to the prodigal son or the lost sheep and live your on way. I chose to walk the other way for many years but the Lord brought me back into the fold when I no longer could keep going the way I was. People have different thoughts about this but look at the examples in the bible repeatedly Israel walked away and God has never given up on them. The human race as a whole walked away but God never gives up on us. Jesus died for all mankind even the ones who choose to believe other wise. I think that is the security we can own.

  79. poohpity says:

    We can not base the way we are with people to the way God deals with us. It is beyond any kind of love we can ever imagine or think of.

  80. Rajnesh says:

    Yeah Pooh, sort of like when one strays and falls off the straight and narrow, the Good Lord doesn’t abandone you but help you get back on.

  81. foreverblessed says:

    Plumbape, you really made me laugh this morning!
    Thanks, needed that.
    Someone had prayed for me last week and got this for me: More Joy. Wasn’t that on ODB last week?
    Someone else adviced: Go and do happy things, like painting (I’ve had an art education).

    Pooh, I think most of us know what the topic was, but I think we were all getting so much excited about how dear the name of Jesus is to all of us blogging here, and couldn’t help to talk about that.
    And that’s a great Hallelujah.

  82. Mart De Haan says:

    In response to the question above as to whether salvation can be lost, have just posted something to keep the conversation going on that subject. Thanks for what you’ve all added to this post…

  83. foreverblessed says:

    Thanks Pooh, in the name of |Jesus, what a great suggestion.

    Totally of topic:
    How many ideas have entered the christian world that are so clear in the opposite waht the bible says:
    Like Joseph had no union with Mary until she gave birth to a son. And he gave him the name Jesus. Matt 1:25

    The same one with being saved or not, that people would be forever lost if they did not accept Jesus before they died, “The Lord is full of compassion and mercy”.
    James 4:11
    Anf this one:
    His love endures forever Pslams 107:1 the Psalm goes on to describe where God is going to go look for people to save.
    We can be very happy about that.

  84. plumbape says:

    Daisy ask;

    Why didn’t Jesus pray in His name? I know the answer and I prayerfully hope you do too!

    Jesus had not been crucified and raised from the dead yet. If this is wrong I hope it does not apply toward my final grade point average. :^)

  85. foreverblessed says:

    Thanks Plumbape, you make me laugh agein!
    I was thinking along the same line,
    Jesus told the disciples to pray in His name, at the end of His time on earth and not at the beginning, like when He instructed about the Lord’s prayer,

  86. Rajnesh says:

    Thank you for your kindness earlier Foreverblessed. Pray that you’re feeling better.

    Haha…and yes Plumbape that Daisy question did cross my mind at the onset of this topic.

  87. Grace48 says:

    Thank you for your prayers. This blog has given me much to think on and learn. My daughter is still in the hospital but still enduring while new medications are tried. Sometimes my prayers are praise and tears together and just such intense that I forget how I end them. Maybe that’s understandable under the circumstances. I hope so.

  88. foreverblessed says:

    Grace48, maybe I missed your post about your daughter, could you tell a bit more please, I would like to hear it.
    Yes Raynesh, I am feeling better, and even this: there is a happiness inside me welling up. Isn’t that great: I am really happy, full of joy. God’s will for us is so sweet.
    (Yes kiwigirl I pray that you will experience the sweetnes of God in you).

  89. daisymarygoldr says:

    Michael:), Thank you for the answer and you made a good effort! However, your response does not clearly explain why Jesus did not end His prayers with “in Jesus’ name, Amen!”.

    You have done a good job to contribute to the discussion on this topic and you are encouraged to maintain this level of involvement by remaining active in participation.

    Remember, you are earning points for participation not for the right or wrong answer and every point does count towards the final GPA. So, don’t give up, keep trying!

    Rajnesh, is your name pronounced as Rajneesh? Just to clarify, this is not my Q. It was asked in the main post. “I find it worth thinking about that when Jesus’ disciples asked him to teach them to pray, he gave them a model prayer that did not end with any thing like “in Jesus name, amen …”

    Grace48, Thanks for the update. It is extremely painful for a mother to see her child suffer. God knows your troubled heart and is taking into account all your tears and prayers. May you find comfort in His presence during this time of suffering. Be assured of our ceaseless prayers for your daughter’s healing and recovery…

  90. Rajnesh says:

    :) foreverblessed that is wonderful buddy. I too have been feeling extremely brighter, cheery, hopeful, up-beat since hanging out here at RBC quite a bit as of late. I’m working on snapping out of the gloom myself. Turn things around.
    Daisy, I’m not picky about my name (rajnash).
    Grace48, stay strong, your daughter needs to see strength around her, don’t cry please. The Good Lord will find that perfect match for her condition. He will and soon. I just know it.
    Xavier, hope things are better on your end as well buddy.

  91. Grace48 says:

    Foreverblessed, my daughter has had much wrong with her digestive system for a long time among other diseases. She’s been in so much pain and such intense pain that it got to the point where she could barely eat without intense pain a little after and for hours.

    Daisy, thank you for your prayers and understanding.

    Rajnesh, real good advice.Thank you,too. Been able to hold the tears back around her but it’s not easy. Praying for that perfect match for all of her illnesses. If you don’t mind, I’m going to use those exact words in my prayers; that’s a good hopeful way to pray.

  92. Rajnesh says:

    mmm no…it’ll cost you two-drachma…lol, just playing with ya Grace. Of course you can and thank you, I am humbled.

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