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Knowledge Without Wisdom Can Drive us Crazy

Knowledge without wisdom can make us naïve, foolish, or crazy.

Have been thinking about this after rediscovering a book by Henry Cloud and John Townsend that is titled 12 Christian Beliefs that Can Drive you Crazy (Zondervan 1994-1995).

The first false assumption that they list is “It’s selfish to have my needs met”.

In a paperback edition of the book that includes a discussion guide, Cloud and Townsend point out that such an idea can sound like the truth– but often reflects a wrong assumption and misuse of the Bible. They suggest that we can use our needs to bring us to God and to a right interdependence on others. Or we can deny our own needs in a way that results in the kind of collapse that makes us good for no one.

The two authors suggest that only when our needs are being met can we be free to care for others without resentment. Specifically they say, “God’s word teaches that the most comforting people in the world are those who have been comforted; the most understanding people are those who have been understood; and the most loving people are those who have been loved (Luke 7:47; 2Cor 1:3-4; 2Cor 9:6-7).

That sure sounds like the difference between wisdom and misused knowledge to me. It sounds like the God-given ability to use knowledge to reach a desired goal (which in our case is to find our needs met by God, and those people (and unseen angels) that he lovingly and mercifully brings into our lives to help us… find rest and peace… instead of losing our way by following a half-truth…

What’s your take? Am guessing one of our questions will be what does it mean to have our needs met by God on his terms, and in his time, rather than on our own time and terms?

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50 Responses to “Knowledge Without Wisdom Can Drive us Crazy”

  1. SFDBWV says:

    In attacking this topic, it first comes to me that, if a person is already drowning they can’t help another swim to safety.

    Am taught by Jesus that when the poor widow gave of what little she had, she was blessed by her attitude of giving. Not what she gave.

    Somewhere in the transformation from earthly attitude to heavenly or kingdom attitudes, our own needs become lost in the desire to help others.

    Have seen people who have been helped along the way, only to watch them then expect to be helped. Have also seen in lessor numbers thoes who have learned to pass along their gift of being aided to aiding others.

    Have also learned that there is a vast and wide gulf between my desires and my needs…

    If while waiting for God to meet my needs, I am destroyed for want. Whoes failure is it?

    Somewhere in living, it is my responsibility to fill my needs myself. I would expect God to bless my efforts, even to provide manna for a season, but God expects us to do something in order to meet our own needs.

    Once the nation of Israel was sent into the Promised land, manna stopped. Jesus had to escape from the multitude, saying that the people would follow him and stay with him just to be fed.

    Faith like love is an action word.


  2. kerrygraham says:

    Perhaps this is too simplistic, but didn’t God say he would provide for our needs? If therefore it is God’s desire for our needs to be met, how then can it be sinful in any way?

  3. Grace48 says:

    One of my co-workers and her family are going thru as much as my family and I lately. We were talking a few days ago about finding time to care for ourselves so that we can continue caring for our ill family members. Even the fact that we can talk about faith in crisis times is a way, I think of having a need met, that of not feeling so alone in the storms of life and of encouraging each other as best as we know how.

    Needs vs wants.

    In the Bible is wisdom to begin the process of looking at and understanding what is the difference between what I’d call a need but God may consider a want. To me it’s a long learning process,and can sometimes be confusing, even to God’s timing sometimes.

  4. foreverblessed says:

    The first and biggest need that brought me really to Christ is the knowledge that I was absolutely lost.
    So that was a real need to be met.
    And to be honoust, it does take a long time to stand as a child of God, unwavering, not frightened by the world or anything from the dark side. But happy and at peace in Him.
    Aren’t we useless to God unless we are grafted in as branches to the Vine. John 15:5
    So every morning I long to be connected again.

  5. SFDBWV says:

    When Matt wrecked his car and was life flighted to the University Hospital in Morgantown, I was several hours away. Driving there that night God said to me that Matt would be fine….It was my desire that Matt walk out of that hospital as well as before the accident.

    Matt lived.

    When the doctors considered him hopeless and rigged him for a nursing home life. It was my desire he wake from his coma and come home to recouperate.

    He awoke, slowly over years and has been working at all he can do all the time. Here home with me.

    When I had to quit working in order to care for him and his mother, who then was diagnosed with cancer. We no longer had any thoughts of anything other than the miracle we needed.

    Her death, enabled for Matt and I to continue.

    I have since remarried, Matthew struggles with his disabilities and yearns for an independant life. I pray for his miracle every day.

    Everyday, we smile we laugh, we get angry we sometimes cry. But we are together.

    God’s will be done. It is my daily prayer, in spite of my desires, I know God’s will is a better outcome. So through tears and frustrations, and yes disapointments, I look foreward to God meeting my needs as well as giving me the desires of my heart…

    Without the balance of knowledge and wisdom, along with supernatural peace, Christ provides…I too might be driven crazy. But because of Christ, thoes crazy moments when I need Him the most, He is there…


  6. foreverblessed says:

    Wow Steve:
    Your answer is sure an answer from experience: Christ is there for you.
    It means much more when people say that when life has brought them there.
    It sounds like Corrie ten Boom, who survived a nazi camp, when she said: No matter how deep life is, Jesus goes even deeper then that.

  7. pegramsdell says:

    I have seen the Holy Spirit minister to every need when a pastor who is lead by Him is speaking. Every member in a church service can be ministered to at the same time. Doesn’t matter if the pastor has ever done drugs or has committed adultery or murdered. Jesus didn’t do these things either, but was more than qualified to minister.

    And yet the bible says that those who have been forgiven more, love more, and they seem to be able to give more too.

    I remember my husbands Christian brother would minister to us about how to raise our children. My husband would ask his brother, “how many kids have you raised?” Knowing that his brother did not have any kids. But…what his brother said most of the time was true and helpful, he just didn’t want to hear it, because he felt that his brother had no experience. And that his brother was preaching to him.

    Maybe some people don’t want some goody two shoe preaching to them, cause they feel they can’t relate.

  8. poohpity says:

    This topic seems to be like what is called in today’s terms co-dependency. While taking care of others to the point of being God to them and for them while neglecting self care will cause resentment and an elevated ego. I am reminded of a women who went around taking care of everyone while neglecting getting help for herself. All the people she helped were so dependent on her to provide for them they never learned to depend on God for anything but that is what made her feel good and needed. When she got sick and was not able to do anything for anybody those who needed her were not able to provide any help for her because they did not know how and were not able to help themselves either so the whole lot crashed and burned.

    She had the knowledge of their needs but did not have the wisdom to get help for herself thus everyone who who she helped in reality were dependent on her not God. She tried in vain to be their God.

    I agree peg that there are those who really have not experienced the struggles that some face yet are able to minister to others because they have in fact experienced the love and acceptance of God and are able to give that out. I think sometimes we categorize the needs of people into distinct groups when in fact all need them same thing we get from the Lord. It again would be like categorizing sin.

  9. poohpity says:

    Jorge, nothing I said was in response to your post. I was responding to Mart’s topic and what peg said.

  10. Prattaratt says:

    There is a line between allowing others to help you meet your need, and EXPECTING others to meet your need. I have an adult daughter who expects her mother and I to meet her every need, and doesn’t do anything herself. I, on the other hand, having been brought up in very self sufficient manner, have an extremely hard time accepting any assistance whatsoever. The two attitudes cannot be more striking. It is my opinion that the expectation of someone else meeting your needs is a sin, but then so is the attitude of “doing it all myself”. Paul says that we must help one another with each others burdens, but that we are supposed to carry our own loads. (Galatians 6:2, 5)
    I have only in recent years come to realize that by denying myself a need that I cannot meet through my own efforts and not allowing another brother or sister to assist me, I am denying them a blessing as well as my own.

  11. SFDBWV says:

    Prattaratt, you have spoken a great truth when you have said that in not allowing another to help you, you deny them a blessing.

    Having been on the recieving end of charity, when I needed it the most, taught me that lesson clearly.

    Only pride would keep a person from accepting a hand up.

    I had said earlier that I had to quit working in order to attend to my family. Going from 3 incomes to no income was quite a economic change.

    During the time between my quiting and Rita’s death and our getting to a point of recieving Social Security disability as an income for us, was desperate times.

    But the churches here in our little community held benifit dinners and collected donations, even the bank in our little town collected donations in order to help us through the wilderness.

    Without their help we would have been in bad trouble. But their love saved us.

    It is a very humbling experiance, one I would not have chosen for myself, but through it, all involved were blessed, and still are.


  12. pegramsdell says:

    Jorge, sorry about misunderstanding you, not my intention. :) peg

  13. foreverblessed says:

    Steve I was wondering how you would cope without an income, but the US is not too bad after all in social security, or can you cope because your community is very social?

    Jorge, posting here is very good for crucifying the self.
    Keep going, head up.

  14. pegramsdell says:

    But I do thank God that He meets all of my needs. And more than that. And that I can tithe. I am surely blessed.

    Another thought is that the writers of the New Testament didn’t have it easy. Most of them were persecuted all the time, yet, they ministered by writing these letters that became our bible.

    If all of their needs were met, would they have been as effective?

  15. poohpity says:

    Knowledge without wisdom can drive us crazy. Well is that how I got where I am today? LOL.

  16. saled says:

    When the authors say that the most comforting people are those who have been comforted, the most understanding are those who have been understood, and the most loving those who have been loved, it makes me think of the Holy Spirit, our Comforter, the All-Knowing God, and Jesus who loved us to the point that He died for us. So maybe we don’t need to actually have experienced what a person is going through to have empathy and help. We are those who have been comforted, understood, and loved. In God’s timing, we will come to know this.

    All that said, I feel so powerless to offer comfort to my sister’s daughter-in-law who recently lost her son to suicide. I find that the older I get, the more deeply I feel the pain that others experience. Anybody ever read The Giver by Lois Lowry? It’s juvenile literature, but very powerful, and as I get older, I’m beginning to understand this character, The Giver, better. And I so want to offer comfort to this bereaved mother, but I don’t know how. She would be correct to say that I don’t really know what she is going through.

  17. silvervknight says:

    I don’t know if I understood your post completely, but it appears to me from your quotations that Cloud and Townsend are advocating a type of “God is most glorified when we are most satisfied in Him” theology as Pastor John Piper is often quoted saying, which is just another way to say, “The chief end of man is to glorify God and to enjoy Him forever” as worded by the Westminster’s Catechism.

    If God doesn’t meet our need (on His term not ours) then what good news do we have? Of course, the most significant need is our need for salvation from our justly deserved condemnation. But who can deny that God meet so many other more ordinary “needs” we have in life?
    I love Prattaratt’s statement, “There is a line between allowing others to help you meet your need, and EXPECTING others to meet your need.” Though we don’t demand God to meet our needs through other people, but He does answer our often unsaid prayers through loving friends, family, and even strangers.

    Didn’t Jesus say, “love your neighbor as you love yourself?” I suppose we can claim Christians to be selfless altruists who only care to meet the needs of others and not themselves, but that will make Jesus’ command incomprehensible. How am I suppose to love others? Answer: As I love myself. Well, how do I love myself? I think it is by recognizing that God is my all in all. I believe, in a paradoxical loop of circular argument, we will find that loving God is not only the most selfish act that requires us to seek our own greatest good to the point of hating our mother, father, brothers, and sisters, denying temporary pleasures, and carrying our own cross regardless of societal expectation, governmental requirements, or filial obligation, but loving God is also the most selfless act of pointing everyone to Christ by bearing more pain than giving it, serving others the way God has served us, and imitating Christ in our every word and action.

  18. rawhide85 says:

    I’ve been thinking about my needs lately and I’m very conflicted. I’m 24, turning 25 and am deep in debt because of my undergraduate student loans.

    I’m thinking of going to graduate school to get my MBA, with 75-80% of the cost being subsidized by my company. The idea is to be able to move up the ladder faster so I can dig myself out of my $90,000 debt quicker.

    Here is the kicker. I am a youth group leader at my church right now, and I will have to give that up in order to go to school part time. Yes, a 50-60 hour per week job and 2 graduate classes will take up that much time.

    My father is losing his job in a year and my mother took a pay cut. They can’t help me, in fact I may have to help them…

    On one hand, I feel selfish. On the other, I feel like this is one of those situations where faith is an action word, and I need to get moving. Thankfully, there are some candidates for the new vacant youth leader position, and I am praying that they do want to help.

    I feel like taking this step towards graduate school and financial solvency puts me in a better position to serve in some type of ministry in the future. Yes, I also want to make more money.

    I’m so torn….

  19. foreverblessed says:

    That we all will be moving up the ladder of trusting God more completely, and to be able to sing:

    What ever my way you have tought me to say,
    It is well, it is well, with my soul.

    in whatever the situation God leaves us in.
    Rawhide, bless you, and making a decision for a better education is very good, and yes, the “selfish thought” of making more money, you can give that thougth to God.

  20. foreverblessed says:

    Sorry, when I posted it it looked so easy to say: give that thought to God, as it is a struggle to do so.
    I have struggled with the same things, but that is now more then 20 years ago, and the good point about it is that our reliance on God grows.
    I never did get a good earning job, as it was the recession in the 80s. Lots of worry. But my husband did. And we could pay my student loan.
    It was one of those trials that make your faith in God grow.
    If God says He will not leave us nor forsake us…
    I will pray for you

  21. pegramsdell says:

    Amen silvervknight. Selfish and selfless at the same time. Good word.

    I will be praying for you rawhide85. Hang in there. Where does our help come from? The Maker of heaven and earth.

  22. seekinghiswisdom says:

    I just read all of the postings from yesterday’s “Been Thinking About”. Through comments in several of your postings God made something more clear to me, (showed me wisdom?), something that he has been trying to bore through my stubborn head and heart for a while – so I thank you all and especially God. In addition, I then went to read the Daily Bread for today, and part of the scripture reading got me thinking and I wanted to share. It reads:

    (NIV) Romans 12:3 For by the grace given me I say to every one of you: Do not think of yourself more highly than you ought, but rather think of yourself with sober judgment, in accordance with the measure of faith God has given you. 4Just as each of us has one body with many members, and these members do not all have the same function, 5so in Christ we who are many form one body, and each member belongs to all the others. 6We have different gifts, according to the grace given us. If a man’s gift is prophesying, let him use it in proportion to his[b]faith. 7If it is serving, let him serve; if it is teaching, let him teach; 8if it is encouraging, let him encourage; if it is contributing to the needs of others, let him give generously; if it is leadership, let him govern diligently; if it is showing mercy, let him do it cheerfully.

    9Love must be sincere. Hate what is evil; cling to what is good. 10Be devoted to one another in brotherly love. Honor one another above yourselves.

    From this reading, I started thinking that the most important thing is: God has given us all our own talent and he wants all of us to use them to help others. It may be more helpful to someone you are ministering to if you have had similar experiences but don’t let that stop you from helping if you haven’t.

    And Jorge, I do get what you are saying. Some things I read today confused me a little too but I will pray that God will give me wisdom to understand what he needs me to. God Bless you all.

  23. poohpity says:


    The authors said which I think is so fitting, “It’s almost impossible for “just me and God” teachers to live as they teach. If I am loved only directly by God, then for me to comfort others or help them grow would be to cause them to sin. I’d be teaching them to be dependent on people, instead of relying on God. Such a parent would have to stand over a crying infant’s crib and tell her to be comforted by God—then walk away. Such a husband wouldn’t kiss or hold his wife—he’d tell her that Christ loved her, and that’s enough. The teaching breaks down in actual life. If they lived what they believe, the “just me and God” believers would wish people well and be on their way”.

    It seems like God gives to us Grace beyond measure and we in turn show it to others. I believe we need to be the hands, feet and heart of the Lord. If we have financial problems we go to people who know how to do that but it seems when people have emotional problems they say God will hep me through this instead of going to people who God has given the ability to counsel to help them through. I was thinking about that song “I am a rock, I am an island” but it seems God made us for relationships and we may be in denial if we say we do not need anyone but God. I float down that the river of denial a lot.

  24. pegramsdell says:

    Yes Pooh, and just like satan left Jesus for a season, he leaves us too. Then comes back, evil is always present around me, Paul said. Sometimes we are in a good place and can help others, and sometimes we are in need. I find it is easier to give than to receive. Although receiving blesses others. It is humbling to ask for help, especially from someone who doesn’t understand what you are going through.

  25. Regina says:

    Good Evening, Fellow Bloggers,

    I want to share my thoughts on Mart’s question:

    “What does it mean to have our needs met by God on his terms, and in his time, rather than on our own time and terms?”

    After thinking about this question for a few days, I 2 Cor. 12:7-10 came to mind. In this passage of scripture, Paul informs us that he had a need (a thorn in the flesh) and he pleaded with God three times to take it away. As we know, God told Paul that His grace was all he needed. As I reflected on this passage of scripture, I thought about the relationship that children have with their parents.

    Children trust their parents to provide for their needs. They don’t worry about anything. They simply TRUST. With blind, unwavering faith they just “believe” that their parents are going to meet their needs. As I thought about child-like faith and trust, another scripture came to mind:

    “27) Look at the lilies and how they grow. They don’t work or make their clothing, yet Solomon in all his glory was not dressed as beautifully as they are. 28) And if God cares so wonderfully for flowers that are here today and thrown into tfire tomorrow, he will certainly care for you. Why do you have so little faith?” – Luke 12:27-28, NLT

    So, in my opinion, to have our needs met by God on His terms means that we have to trust God and believe that when we present our needs to Him, He hears us (Phil. 4:6-8). If God is concerned about Sparrows (Matt. 10:29), He definitely desires to meet our needs.

    I pray that God will help us to have child-like faith, trust and patience to believe that He will always meet our needs. Maybe not in the way that we expect Him to, but we know that He’s a trustworthy and faithful friend. :-)


  26. SFDBWV says:

    I have not read the book Mart has mentioned, I am unsure how I feel about the few comments Mart has repeated from it.

    In an attempt to encourage others to stand firm upon the foundation of Christ as our faith. I am looking for these fundamentals in the topic.

    Since Man was placed in the garden, God provided for our means by the creation of all of nature. We are fed by it clothed by it and even comforted by it.

    Would it be considered selfish to accept what God offers us? Why would we not? How can we not?
    I don’t understand why an author would put foreward a false assumptiom, unless it was a stumbling block for him.

    We are God’s creation, all we have and are, we owe to God.

    It is written that God promises to give us the desires of our heart….Even in this God provides our need to have hope. As well as a place and person to place that hope on.

    My morning thoughts

  27. foreverblessed says:

    If I would write a book, I would write about this theme:
    It is all about God.

    How would I bring this message to a person in need?
    It is all about God?

    Doesn’t that make God kind of selfish?

    It sounds soooo much different:
    “God is most glorified when we are most satisfied in Him”

    Being satisfied in Him, that is a message I can bring to people in need. The next line is harder to bring:
    “The chief end of man is to glorify God and to enjoy Him forever”
    allthough when we are satisfied in Him we can say that with all our heart.

    The thought of trusting God like a little child, is a freeing thought:
    God knows what a person needs,
    I try to attach to Him more and more, that I know what He wants me to do or not do, to say or not to say. But the first thing is being totally fed myself by God, everyday.
    And I need discipline to do that, as I am now writing, and not sitting still at Jesus’feet, hearing what He tells me in my ears.
    That last thing I am going to do now, as the spring sun is sweet in my garden, the birds are singing. That fills my soul too.

  28. poohpity says:

    I was thinking if we allow God to meet our needs then it will result in what Peter said in 2 Peter 1:3-9, 3His divine power has given us everything we need for life and godliness through our knowledge of him who called us by his own glory and goodness. 4Through these he has given us his very great and precious promises, so that through them you may participate in the divine nature and escape the corruption in the world caused by evil desires.

    5For this very reason, make every effort to add to your faith goodness; and to goodness, knowledge; 6and to knowledge, self-control; and to self-control, perseverance; and to perseverance, godliness; 7and to godliness, brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness, love. 8For if you possess these qualities in increasing measure, they will keep you from being ineffective and unproductive in your knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9But if anyone does not have them, he is nearsighted and blind, and has forgotten that he has been cleansed from his past sins.

    If God meets our needs on His terms and in His time we will grow in love and if we try and meet our own needs, in our own time it may result in anger, pride, selfishness and lust for more.

  29. Toluwani says:

    Thank you for this great piece and thank God for using you to answer some questions I have. “Knowledge without wisdom can make us naïve, foolish, or crazy”. Some of my sisters and brothers have too much knowledge of the Word and really seem “crazy”. “But my God shall supply all your need according to His riches in glory by Christ Jesus” Phil.4:19 has been used for too long and too much by lazy believers.
    After reading almost all the blogs, I have the answer that I need. I cannot go on and “be used” to supply some people’s needs/wants because I have used the word and Godly wisdom to stay on my job, even in the midst of descrimination, persucution and hostility from co-workers. God always proves himself by giving me more and more opportunities to show that He is in control of my life and He alone provides “all my needs” on and off the job.

  30. foreverblessed says:

    Succes Toluwani! 2 Thessalonians 3:6-14 After a while of helping you can say: We command and urge in the Lord Jesus Christ, to settle down, and earn the bread they eat.

    There is a thin line in almost everything. But we follow Jesus, and He is altogether Holy, no wrong motives in Him. And as Jesus urged us to be holy as He is holy, we can ask God to try us, to see if any wrong motive is there in our hearts. Psalm 139:23

  31. foreverblessed says:

    A bit of topic:
    When I look into the sky, no plains fly over, it is quiet in the sky, and that is kind of unusual, plains always fly over, making white sripes in the air.
    The ashes from a vulcano Iceland now drift over western Europe, and many airports are closed down.

    Things can suddenly change in this world, nothing is sure here on earth.
    Jesus said: Put your trust in the Light while you have it,
    before darknes overtakes you. John 12:35-16

  32. SFDBWV says:

    I just wanted to share one last thought from Marts comments above.

    Mart “guessed” one of our questions might be, what it means to have our needs met by God on His terms and in His time.

    Friends, once you can learn to accept the fact that God is God and will do what He wants. when He wants. Once you learn that His will in all matters is better than any desire we may want for ourselves.

    That once you learn to surrender your will to His, and mean it….You will have peace.

    Even though that peace surpasses human understanding.


  33. Toluwani says:


    “It is interesting to me that we so often put such great emphasis upon our faith that God will do a certain thing. As though God is almost impotent apart from man’s faith, to operate, or to work. But here with Zacharias, the angel said, “Alright, you want a sign? You’re not going to be able to speak until the day the child is born, because you didn’t believe.”

    The things that God is going to perform, whether you believe it or not, God is going to do it. Your unbelief will not stop the work of God. It will not hinder the purposes of God. And so many times they put heavy trips on us. You know, as though God’s work is totally responsible upon my hanging in there and believing, and I feel so guilty because maybe I failed God, and thus, people are lost, or whatever, because I failed God. No, God’s purposes shall stand, whether I believe it or not. You see, your believing or not believing doesn’t really hinder the work of God. He is going to do what He is going to do, in spite of us. And that’s sort of comforting, because I’d hate to think that God’s work depended on me and my faithfulness.”
    ……….”Now God’s work is going to be done. You may lose out on those rewards and blessings that you could have experienced, had you’ve been faithful. But your unfaithfulness is not going to stop that which God has purposed to do……..”

  34. rxman says:

    Salvation = Christ in us. OK. Something I read says, ” God’s will is essentially that Christ live in us and express himself through us as we are transparent before Him”. The same author also says that there is no perfect will vs permissive will of God. He also says displaying passivity as I wait on God to decide for me doesn’t make any sense. It means being responsible and learning from consequences. Most important, it means going through life without secret messages that lead to safe, successful choices all the time.

    When we come to the realization that we’re new creations with new hearts and new minds, we can live as God intended. We can wake up every day and ask, What do I want to do?” and “What makes he most sense?” We’re free to live from our wants, since we, together with our hearts, minds, hobbies, and interests, are now set apart in everything we do.

    This seems to make more sense than being frozen by paralysis by analysis and waiting for the “perfect” will of God. God is behind every door!

    Live from your wants and look for opportunities to let Him be transparent through us.

  35. poohpity says:

    Mart, you pointed out that Cloud and Townsend said, “Or we can deny our own needs in a way that results in the kind of collapse that makes us good for no one”. I have seen many who have taken care of someone and denied taking care of themselves to the point of being run down to the ground. They have then been in such bad shape they were unable to care for no one because of their martyr attitude. It would seem those maybe the ones who grow resentful. I think about the words of Jesus “Love your neighbor as yourself”. I believe if we do not take care of our own self then we are no good to care for anyone else.

    It would seem that sometimes people believe it is selfish to care for themselves but in reality if you to not know how to do that you may be no good to help someone else. It like anything else can be taken to extremes but kept in balance then all will be cared for in a healthy manor.

  36. saled says:

    rxman, what does it mean to live from your wants?

  37. saled says:

    Bubbles, how are you?

  38. scout1 says:

    Thanks Steve for that last comment you made. I really needed that reminder. Also, thank you for sharing your personal stories with us. I will be praying for you.


  39. pegramsdell says:

    I need a certain relationship restored. But…I don’t know if God wants that. Maybe I don’t really need it, but it ended bad and I feel bad about it. I miss this couple very much, and I wish we could start all over again. I know that nothing is impossible with God, so I am praying for this restoration. I am sorry how it all went bad and I forgive them for any wrongdoing on their part. I pray they can forgive me too and we can look past it. I just don’t see how. And is it wise to try again? It’s been a couple of years since we’ve seen each other.

  40. poohpity says:

    I have always prayed for the Lord to open the doors when I have wronged someone to apologize for my part. Sometimes it seems that in His time the opportunity presents itself sometimes soon and sometimes down the road and sometimes not at all so far. I think that God is in the business of restoration and He knows the best time for it. God may surprise us one day when He brings together those we have problems with or that have problems with us. I think God maybe working on both parties in different places and in different times.

    Matthew 5:23,24 “Therefore, if you are offering your gift at the altar and there remember that your brother has something against you, 24leave your gift there in front of the altar. First go and be reconciled to your brother; then come and offer your gift. This says not if you have something against your brother but if he has something against you. This is a hard one for me because when someone has something against me or has misunderstood me and I try and reconcile they may not be open but at least I gave it a shot. I do not know what happens then.

  41. poohpity says:

    In writing this I have remembered a brother that I need to be reconciled to and that is Steve. Please forgive me Steve for causing you to be angry with me. I will watch what I say to you from now on. I would like you to know that I was not angry with you at all as you mentioned. You are respected and loved by me.

  42. SFDBWV says:

    Very well, Pooh, then we will start anew. Aware of the vulnerability we each have and work at protecting thoes feelings rather than hurting them.


  43. Bob in Cornwall England says:


    I totally agree about the aeroplanes, none over us for over two days now. They usually fly high over west Cornwall on their way to the Caribean and Brazil.
    Nice to have clear skys.


  44. foreverblessed says:

    Bob, it is soooo quiet outside, I think that we do not know how much noise airplanes around us make.
    It is a very weird thing: a big ashtray is circling high above our heads, it stays here since thursday night or so. It doesn’t move.
    Nobody can get angry at anybody, it is nature doing this, the vulcano in Iceland with a difficult name.
    How much God protects us of calamities that could have happened. I heard this ones: Thank God also for the things that did not happen.

    Thanks Pooh and Steve, thanks so much!
    A ministry of reconciliation have we. 2 Corinthians 5:16-21

  45. rxman says:


    I guess living from our wants means that since Christ is in us and we are in Christ, living from our “wants” should be a good thing. Always trying to do the “spiritual” or religious thing is not real. We are either trying to impress others or ourselves. Living from our wants frees us up to let the Holy Spirit has his way with us.

    Now I’m not saying we can just do anything we want. But as long as it’s not immoral or hurting anyone, just live naturally. And if we are new creations in Christ, naturally should be a good thing.

  46. pegramsdell says:

    Deb, thank you for understanding. I feel a kindred spirit with you. God has filled you with His wisdom and His heart. Love you. Peg

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