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Abbas and Netanyahu in Washington

On Thursday, September 2, the latest rounds of Israeli-Palestinian peace talks are scheduled to begin in Washington.

According to Mahmoud Abbas, President of the Palestinian Authority, the talks will collapse if Israel does not extend its freeze on construction in the West Bank. On the same day Benjamin Netanyahu, Prime Minister of Israel, reportedly said that rebuilding would resume on September the 26th.

Once again, followers of Christ will undoubtedly express a variety of opinions:

Some will believe that it is a Christian’s responsibility to support Israel as God’s chosen people. Others will be convinced that a Christian’s responsibility is to seek justice for displaced and impoverished people wherever we find them.

More than a few are convinced that the land once given to Joshua and David belongs to the present state of Israel. Others have come to the conclusion that the land belongs to God and that even if he is in the process of returning Jewish people to their ancestral homeland, he will give not give them unchallenged security until the whole nation acknowledges the God of its fathers.

Others will suspect that any such effort to forge peace in the middle east prior to Christ’s return will be done in the spirit of anti-Christ. Others will believe we should always be on the side of peace rather than war, even in the middle east.

In this light see if you find any of the following thoughts significant:

  1. When God chooses a person or nation, it is for the sake of all (Gen 12:1-3).
  2. When God wanted to correct Israel’s unbelief, he sent prophets to confront her wrongs, and if his people did not respond, repeatedly allowed other nations to either oppress them or to even drive them into exile (Judges 2:11-25).
  3. When God wanted Israel to fight enemy nations in his name he gave them supernatural help (Josh 6).
  4. When Israel was in the land God gave her, she was to care for the foreigner among her (Lev 19:33-34)
  5. When Israel depended on foreign allies for defense (i.e. Egypt) it was regarded as a idolatrous reliance that detracted from the glory of the One who chose Israel for himself, to bless all nations (Isa 30:1-3).
  6. At the end of the age, all nations will turn against Israel in her state of unbelief, and will be rescued by God alone—who will also give the surviving remnant a heart of belief in the Messiah who died for the sake of all (Zechariah 12:1-11). In a real sense God will use Israel and the world to bring one another to their knees before him.
  7. Even in the days of the New Testament before Israel was destroyed and driven into exile by the Romans in 70AD, (fulfilling Jesus’ predictions), the Apostle Paul (who had a deep love for the people of his own nation) reminded his readers that “All who are of Israel are not Israel” (Romans 9:6). He went on to say, “In other words, it is not the natural children who are God’s children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham’s offspring” (v 8).

For now, when an Israel that has not been restored spiritually tries to take a promised land by her own hand, they may be similar to Abraham and Sarah who tried to fulfill God’s promise by deciding to have a son by Hagar.

For now, even if we see indications that we are living in the end times we don’t really know whether there are 5 days or 500 years left on God’s timetable.

For now, followers of Christ have reason to rise above partisan, nationalistic  issues while praying and calling for justice and mercy for both sides of this conflict.

For now, hoping for some degree of peace, justice, and mercy in the Middle East might be similar to trying to prolong our own physical health even though we know that our bodies will eventually die.

For now followers of Christ have every reason to care for all for whom Christ died. This is our chance to see every Jewish or Palestinian son, daughter, wife, husband, grandmother, or grandfather– on either side– as if they were our own.

Note: For the month of September we are going to be airing a new video series on the Ion Network, 7:30 a.m. Sunday mornings, called “Following Jesus in a Land of Conflict”. The series can also be seen online at www.dod.org. The series revolves around conversations I had with two Israeli citizens, one Arab Palestinian, the other Jewish, and both followers of Christ. I hope you get a chance to see some or all of these discussions.

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35 Responses to “Abbas and Netanyahu in Washington”

  1. scout1 says:

    Mart -thanks for this timely subject matter. I especially liked the list of thoughts. So many Bible stories run through your mind. Prophicy will always prevail and prayer is needed there.


  2. SFDBWV says:

    It is amusing if not annoying, how often I and others are writting a message as a new topic comes up. With a smile I found the topic and my last response on the previous topic related somewhat to this one.

    For me,there are many ways to view this subject, as a Christian, as an citizen of the USA, as a disconnected observer, as a worldy humanitarian. As a theological student, from a political view, or from a biblical one.

    All take me into different opinions depending upon the nature of what I percieve to be *right and wrong*, relevent to each view.

    Let me say up front that I do not believe that the Christian Church is a replacement to the Jew and the scripture promises and discussions concerning Israel.

    Rather we have been adopted into the promises to Abraham, the whole of the world being blessed through Abraham, because of Christ.

    I still remember seeing Palestinian men, women, and children, cheering the death and destruction from the murder of thousands of people on 9/11. I do not remember such a reaction from the Israelies.

    I do remember the 6 day War. Who among us could not see clearly the hand of God in that action?

    I also cannot help but see the hand of God as the placement of nations and and attitudes play into his aforseen and foretold prophesies concerning the dawn of the end of man’s rule on earth.

    But Mart is right, in that anywhere people suffer, we as Christians should do all we can to ease their suffering. Without prejudice.

    The spirit of the anti-christ has been around as long as the world has been, but his power is witheld by the Holy Spirit. We Christians are given special sight via of the Holy Spirit so we will not be decieved by the flowery lies that the anti-christ will ride to power upon.

    Make no mistake, the anti-christ’s power is rising. One need only look around the world and see the state of things.

    Wouldn’t it be an eye opener if the meeting between Abbas and Netanyahu were to producre a 7 year peace treaty….


  3. Mart De Haan says:

    Steve, yeh, I know that it can be annoying when I suddenly put something new up. Sorry, and thanks for rolling with it.

  4. SFDBWV says:

    Mart De Hann, you never need to apologize to me for doing anyhthing. I just appreciate being able to be a part of your Blog…..Still a seat on the swing whenever you can come this way.


  5. Mart De Haan says:

    Hey, Steve, one of these days… that sounds so good. Thanks for the standing offer.

  6. westbrooksc says:

    Thank you for this post and the spirtual analysis of the Israeli/Palestinian crisis. This is an issue that has plagued many throughout time and personally has me confused. When we look at this crisis through the eyes of men, it is easy to judge, take sides and consider our own bias. However, with spirtual consideration, we can only base our opinions and conclusions on our role and responsiblities as christians. It is not for us to decide who is right and who is wrong, for God himself is the master planner. Jewish people are his chosen people, but through Christ, He is available to us all! We do not know God’s plan nor why this conflict has continued to exist for centuries and beyond. All we can conclude is that God will resolve this conflict in the fullness of time. Our role and responsibility is to do God’s will in the meantime.

  7. SFDBWV says:

    Saddly, as I write this, 4 Israelies were gunned down in a car as they drove near Hevron. Their murderers wanting to make certain there is no peace ever.

    Israel hardliners are calling for Netanyahu to return home…

    How can the world we live in expect peace anywhere? While such cruel hatred exists.

    I do pray for the peace of Jerusalem, and *His* return soon.


  8. marma says:

    Mart, thanks for the very succinct and thoughtful post.

    Steve, I’m praying for the peace of Jerusalem, too. It won’t be accomplished by human means.

    As to #5 I think of “I will bless those who bless thee” (Gen 12:3) and have often thought that God blessed USA in part because of our stance on Israel, though I don’t know if I can truly support that from Scripture.

    However, there are plenty of cases in Scripture where God judged the same nations he used to discipline Israel. So, don’t want to be one of those, either.

    I also think of God holding back judgment on Sodom and Gomorrah until only Lot and his family were left and then calling them out. …And that there is a believing remnant in Israel…those who follow the Messiah, now.

    Like you say, Mart, there are a lot of things to think about and we need to remember that God so loved the WORLD..which includes all nations. I like how you made that personal.

    Looking forward to the programs on DoD…I have enjoyed catching Jewish Roots of Christianity, too.

  9. davids says:


    You like stepping into minefields? Your points were much appreciated. I would say in addition that when God wanted Israel to destroy their enemies he told them through the prophets to do so.

    Jesus did not tell his Jewish followers to rise up against the Romans. He did not advocate violence even to preserve the Jewish nation.

    We Christians do not know God’s will in this situation, as no prophet has arrived, so I think that we can only follow Jesus’ principles. Is there a law against doing good? There is a minority of Palestinians that is Christian. Wouldn’t it be great if the other Palestinians could hear God’s word through Christ and know that it is not the enemy?

  10. JediKnight4Him says:

    Mart,I must give credit where credit is due. I saw a video of you and someone “don’t remember his name” in Israel talking about how there are some Palestinian born again christians too and I was floored. I now rethink how I see the deeper not just on a national only level now. Thanks, Jedi

  11. Bob in Cornwall England says:

    Mart, this is such a complex issue as can be seen from your detailed posting.
    I agree with Steve in that we should pray for the peace of Jerusalem, and His return soon.
    I don’t know what else we can do.
    If we intervene politically we are treading on dangerous ground, as christians we are hardly the innocent third party without blood on our hands. Yet like Marma said, if we support Israel then God will bless us, but we can’t support what is morally wrong and against God’s word.
    Maybe we should be like the peacemakers in a war and offer medical help etc. and just respond to the humanitarian needs of both sides. In that way we will be able to show God’s love to everyone and then God can speak. Jesus said “If you do it to the least of these you have done it to me.”
    Actions speak louder than words and our Father is a God of action.


  12. SFDBWV says:

    The story of the Jew, which is like a clock for all mankind, is followed and foretold throughout scripture.

    From Genesis to Malachi is the story of the Jew along with prophesy for the whole of mankind.

    When the Roman government had had enough of the stiff necked hard headed unyielding people of Juda they destroyed their temple and dispersed the remaining people they could gather all over the world.

    But God had made many promises and had sent prophets to warn and foretell Israel’s future.

    The time of the Gentile had come, but this period also has an ending point. The clock stoped for the Jew.

    The clock began again for the Jew when they were given a homeland to *take* from its inhabitants. Remembering that God had sent the Jew into the promised land thousands of years earlier and told to *take* it from its inhabitants. Not to be afraid because He would be with them.

    Whether you are pro or con toward the modern day Israelite, doesn’t matter…God is still with them.

    In truth He never abandoned them fully, but mankind has always been doing the will of God without knowing it.

    Had there never been either of the Crusades, the area later known as the Holyland would not have been under the control of England, had there not been a Holocaust during WWII, the conscience of the world would not have given the Holyland back to the Jew.

    The prophesy concerning the matter states clearly that Israel would be a problem for the peace of the world and a sticking point for all of her neighbors. She would be hated and over time all the worlds armies would be drawn to a great war fought over her.

    This means that there has to be a country existing known as Israel, when all of the prophesy concerning the *End Times* and return of Christ comes to be.

    Whereas all of mankind is given the opportunity to be given grace, forgiven of their sins and protected by the blood of Christ. As a whole the people known as the Jew are witheld the heart and vision to see Jesus as the Christ…Because there is a special time for the nation of Israel to finaly see the Truth and ask for Jesus to return and be their King.

    Whereas I will always be on the side of right over wrong, I cannot ever in good conscience be anything but a friend and ally to the people of Israel.

    This is my heart and until or unless God changes it, this is how I will remain. It just feels right.


  13. SFDBWV says:

    Reading in the Israeli News service this morning, According to Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak. Israel will be willing to divide Jerusalem.

    It would appear that terrorism works as well as pressure from outside countries.

    I will be looking for the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel (Matthew 24:15), to be setting up residency in Jerusalem soon.


  14. John Okache says:

    The Bible urges us to pray for the peace of Israel- I believe physical and spiritual Israel. This peace has to be within and outside. So a peaceful Palestine will enhance Israel’s peace. Christ died for all, including the Palestinians. God bless you, Mart, and thanks for raising the issue for discussion.

  15. Ejikeme says:

    God has given the land of Israel to the Jews,His chosen people by election on account of the patriarchs(Rom 11:28-29) and this is an incontrovertible fact.Whether or not we take sides on this matter cannot change God’s plans for Jerusalem.The only thing we,the spiritual Israel can and should do is to continue to pray for the peace of Jerusalem,pray for and bless His people,the Jews and lend a helping hand to the Palestinians especially the Christians among them as God commanded us to do in Gal 6:10.

  16. BruceC says:

    I love the nation of Israel and the Jews and I always will. However that does not mean that I agree with everything they do there. And I beleive that our nation should support them as much as we materially and morally can. There will never be peace there until Jesus returns. And I feel bad for all those who just want to live and let live that get caught up in the violence. If these are truly the “end times” as I and many others beleive then we should be doing all that we were commanded by Christ to do and set about the work of telling others about Jesus and living for Him.
    We cannot change the events over there; only Christ can…. and will.
    Just a thought. How would you feel if you lived in a land about the size of New Jersey and it was located in the center of the US; and all the other states around you wanted to annialate you?


  17. cor13agape says:

    I remember my first trip to what we call the Holy Land. I was at that time pretty anti Israel, this was in 1977. I thought Israel was the bad guy that there weren’t playing fair.

    After that trip I changed my mind and haven’t changed it sense. Yes Israel has made some very poor judgments on how the handle terrorist.

    Yet I am not looking at this as Biblical event, for God in His time will cause all that to happen in spite of what anyone try to do.

    I am looking at this as a Nation. Palestine never exist, before the British it was the Turks.

    It’s interesting that in the area the Palestinian have occupied they have not tried to better them self. When they were in control of most of Jueslerum it was a closed city to most all, it didn’t become open to everyone till after the Israel took control.

    Israel never attacked first, she was always defending her self. Now because of past history she is doing preemptive strikes. ( This is where I feel Israel should do some re- thinking) How is what Israel any different then what we have done in Iraq, and Afghanistan. Or the abuse with the prisoner of wars in Iraq and Cuba.

    This has noting to do with a Christian Nation.

    I will stand and ask Israel to give any more concessions she has only to have it blow up in her face.

    Maart I Have been blessed by you for many years, but each time you go down this path, I grieve. I don’t believe Israel should get carte blanche on how she deals with this problem however not because I feel she has the right Biblical to do what she is doing but as a nation that is being threaten daily and has been since the day she was formed.

    People suffer due to sin, sin of the Palestinians leaders who don’t care about their people but I am not sure what, there own power and Ideology not sure.

    Yes I will stand with Israel the right to develop her land as she sees fit.

    Note on the side, no Arab nation will take in the Palestinians, They don’t want them never did.

    Sorry if I offended anyone here. But I am really tried of hearing about the evil of Isreal. She wants to live in Peace. She always has. Yes she is no different then any other country that has a opposing polical view, we have the same in this country.
    And last, Yes it is the responsibility of Christians to stand by Israel, when she is right and so far as I can see she has been.

  18. jjhis says:

    It has been several months since posting on this blog. I wanted to share about my mom’s homegoing last Wednesday morning. Several on this blog had prayed for her and my family and other caregivers over the past year and a half. Her struggles are over, her sight was restored, and she is now asleep in Jesus.
    We played one of her favorite cd’s at her funeral on Friday night, Jerusalem, sung by John Starnes. She would lift her hands in praise during the chorus “Hosanna in the Highest”. One day (Psalm 118:24) all believers in Christ Jesus from every nation and every tongue will rejoice and be glad as we fall down before Him and confess that He is LORD. Until then I agree with Mart that we should care for all for whom Christ died (whether Jew or Gentile). Where Christ is there is “not Greek and Jew,…but Christ is all, and in all.” Heaven will surely be worth it all.


  19. pegramsdell says:

    So sorry Jim to hear about your mom. but…rejoicing as well that she is in the arms of Jesus. You will be in my thoughts and prayers as you go throught this time. Love, Peg

  20. davids says:

    For those that say that Israel should be supported in everything it does, I wonder if it would make a difference if the people that are being displaced are Christians. Bethlehem is just a few miles from Jerusalem and has one of the oldest Christian communities.

    Some information from Wikipedia: “In 1948, the religious makeup of the city was 85% Christian, …By 2005, the proportion of Christian residents had decreased dramatically, to about 20%”

    “A 2006 poll of Bethlehem’s Christians conducted by the Palestinian Centre for Research and Cultural Dialogue, found that 90% reported having Muslim friends, 73.3% agreed that the Palestinian National Authority treats Christian heritage in the city with respect and 78% attributed the ongoing exodus of Christians from Bethlehem to the Israeli travel restrictions in the area.”

    We should support Israel’s right to live in security, and pray for peace, but we should not support actions that harm innocent people, including other Christians.

  21. bubbles says:

    Jim, so sorry for your loss.

  22. Regina says:

    Good Evening All,

    Just dropped in to say hello. Been a little busy for the last two days and haven’t had time to share my thoughts on this *AWESOME* blog topic! Mart, I’ve already learned so much from your opening comment! :-) Thank you for providing a blog site for discussion on such an important topic. I know that Biblical prophecy is going to come to pass, so it’s exciting (though troubling at times too) to live out history through situations that are taking place in the world today.

    On my way to Bible study in about an hr./30 min., and I have to eat dinner before I leave. Looking forward to blogging with you all soon!


  23. Loretta Beavis says:

    I am in agreement with point #6 the most. God’s gonna do what God’s gonna do, and only He knows the divine purpose of “how.”

    By the way, Israel just placed a huge fuel order, biggest ever with the U.S. about Aug. 5. – 284 million gallons JP8 (no smoke jet fuel), 100 million gallons diesel, 60 million gallons unleaded fuel, at $2billion. Last order was 2008 -186 mg JP8, 54 mg diesel, 28 mg unleaded. Before than, 2007, 9 mg JP8. (source WND/public record)

    So, even though all sides talk the talk, all sides still prepare to protect themselves-this done by both the Godly and unGodly. I feel sorrowful for all, because everyone is afraid, and that’s the way the real Enemy, Satan, works us over in the spiritual realm. He wants all of us to be afraid, don’t call out to the Living God. That’s what he did to Adam and Eve. History repeats itself.

    I know, I’m kinda crazy!

    Loving Jesus ’cause He first love me.

  24. SFDBWV says:

    Jim, life always has a way of straightening out priorities, Our sympathies for your loss and pain.

    Steve, Glenna and Matthew

  25. Bob in Cornwall England says:

    Yes Jim, sorry to hear about your mum.

    Steve, you said:
    “It just feels right.”

    I agree, The People of Judah are Jesus family and brethren.
    Just as Joseph looked after his brothers after all they did to him, Jesus would want us, as His body, to take care of His brothers to, even though they rejected Him.

    As you said, it just feels right.


  26. SFDBWV says:

    Thinking of the 6 day War in June of 67, I was in Viet Nam, we all thought and hoped we would be sent out of Viet Nam to Israel. We were young and thought with our emotions.

    Had we thought with any Biblical sense at all we would have known the time wasn’t right for the big fight, nor that when it came Israel would stand alone against an indifferent and hostile world.

    But in June of 1967, it was certain that the USA would stand shoulder to shoulder with our friend Israel….Is it so today?

    Who among us with a sense of Biblical teaching, does not see that God still stands with Israel?

    It angers her jealous neighbors, and Israel’s successes inflames her enemies into further hatred.

    In the 67 War, Dayan had ordered his troops not to take Jerusalem, but being warned of a UN ordered cease fire, he allowed the IDF to take the city, but use no heavy armor. So the fighting was mostly all street to street fighting…Israel entered by the Lions Gate and took the city.

    I still am brought to tears, as I recall the matter. Remember, David once had to take the city as well.

    The attitude of the world has certainly changed dramaticly since June of 1967.

    Israel has had to give back nearly all the territory it won during the 6 day war, as a cowardly and anti- jewish world pressures her to do so.

    Read your Bible…Thoes who bless Israel God will bless, thoes who curse Israel God will curse.

    Israel is a man, whom God named, his children’s children are whom now occupy and control the land called Israel.

    Since 67, the Jew has had to endure much, but we hear only of the suffering of her enemies, and the condeming of her action against them.

    Don’t you find it interesting that the 6 day war lasted only 6 days? Not 5 not 105 but 6…and on the 7th day they rested from their work.

    Yes I am more than aware that as a Christian, I am to give Charity to all men everywhere, this I try to do. I have never hated anyone just because of their ethnic background nor their race, nor have I held ill will against others. Yet I see the face of the anti-christ as he rises in power, and against this *spirit* I do feel anger and disgust. I will not ally myself with his forces or his politics.

    I will make my stand with Christ, and be a friend and ally to Israel.


  27. Mart De Haan says:

    Steve, I also believe I see God’s hand in the return of Jewish people to their ancestral homeland, and resistance from the other side to the “final status” of the spiritual, social, and political struggle described by the prophets.

    I do think, however, that we need to carefully protect the distinction between a “blessing” (which when wrongly used is more like flattery than love) and a “curse” which (can be wrongly confused with the loving criticism offered by ancient prophets, or by current advocates of mercy and justice.)

    God will ultimately judge and rescue groups of people on both sides of this conflict (Isaiah 19:22-25).

    For now I don’t believe we can afford to ignore any spirit of religious nationalism, atheism, agnosticism, or contempt for God’s Messiah on either side– anymore than we can afford (for the Gospel’s sake) to be seen as an ally of what either side is doing without the kind of mercy and justice which God made “law” for his chosen nation.

  28. scout1 says:


    I love the way the Lord choose a people (Israel) and used that to show His character and the many ways that He works. The Lord God uses so many symbolism. (Like the bride and the groom). They were His chosen people and the Bible does say that “I will bless them that bless thee and curse those that curse thee.” I know there is still much prophesy to be fulfilled in Israel.

    However, when Jesus came, we all became the chosen people and we will be judged individually by God looking directly at our heart. Each man -chosen -each man judged individually. Yet, still keeping watch as future events unfold and prophesy becomes history!

    Good Day.

  29. SFDBWV says:

    Mart, Christ brought a new *law* into being when He insisted that we love one another, and give that same love to all, regardless of nationality, race or ethnicity.

    We are to love another enough to do all we can to help them become a believer and follower of Christ.

    Jesus told us to turn the other cheek when insulted by another, but also told His disciples to arm themselves. To expect the world to hate them.

    There is no doubt, that God will bring Christians out of every nation and group on earth.

    He will judge the nations, because of their adultery, against Him.

    All of mankind is given the opportunity to either accept or reject Christ, that includes the Jew as well as the Arab.

    The matter is not about nationalism but is about religion.

    The enemies of the current nation of Israel make no illusions of their hatred for the Jew nor do they hide the fact that their goal is to drive the Jew out of the *Holy Land* and if possible into extinction.

    Just as Haman attempted to do, just as Hitler attempted to do, just as God’s enemy satan has attempted to do throughout history.

    Certainly there are bad Jews just as there are bad Arabs, but I have not seen where Israel has attempted to kill off the Arab, only survive with her enemy all around her.

    When Christ returns there will still be nations all around Israel…the difference is that then all nations everywhere will be *Christian* and bow down to a Hebrew King. There will be no tolerence for false religions.

    God has a special purpose for Israel, this cannot be ignored do denied. He has even taken the time to state the number of her children He will save during the Great Tribulation.

    No other nation has this distinction or special attention, the whole of the Book of Revelation is all about judgement being poured out upon all of the nations, but he has a special protection in place for the remenat of Israel.

    It is not about national pride but about understanding the heart of God.


  30. rokdude5 says:

    To Jim – I also want to extend my condolences. A lost of a close love one is never easy. Many of us, myself included, have gone through your experience recently. Praise God she is a believer.

    As far as the Middle East goes, as complex as it is, the simple answer would be all to follow Jesus. “RJ”

  31. limbaugh says:

    It is right and true that we are to love our neighbors and even our enemies. Yet we must remember in the case of Israel that God also said that the “alien/foreigner who sojourns with you” is to abid by the laws and statutes given to Israel. So in order to be allowed to live among Israel, the non-Israelite must worship Israel’s God and follow all the laws and ordinances given to Israel. (Numbers 15:15-16)

    The Palestinians teach their children that the Six Day war never happened and they are trained from an early age to hate and to kill Israelis. Hardly the type of “foreigner/alien” that is worshipping Israel’s God, much less following the laws and ordinances. Technically then, we are ignoring God’s command if we aid and abet Palestinians in their insistence to live in Israel’s land while despising Israelites.

    I think all we can do is pray for peace in and protection of Israel.

  32. Kesed10 says:

    Mart you are so very right and these times call for us to be people of tremendous discernment like the Sons of Issachar. We cannot afford to be simplistic in our understanding of the unfolding of events because there are so many layers to the issue. I stand perhaps a bit uniquely positioned also since I work for a global organization which has had a central role in this issue from the founding of the State of Israel to the present. We must understand what the Lord calls us to see, hear and do, not as the world sees/hears/does but as those whose allegiance is first and foremost to Him whose unseen and mysterious hand turns the hearts of kings and princes where he wills to do his bidding.

  33. davids says:

    Yes, Limbaugh, there are some Palestinians that teach their children to hate. That is abhorrent.

    You can also easily find on the internet Jews that teach that the Palestinians are Amalek. In other words, “Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.” (1 Sam. 15:2-3). Is this true, or is this merely a subversion of God’s word for personal objectives?

    I do not believe that God wants us to hate any people, nor to seek thier destruction.

    Further, I do not understand your use of Numbers 15:15-16 to insist that the Paletinians must follow Judiasm: “The community is to have the same rules for you and for the alien living among you; this is a lasting ordinance for the generations to come. You and the alien shall be the same before the LORD : 16 The same laws and regulations will apply both to you and to the alien living among you.”

    This does not say that the aliens must worship the God of Israel, only that the aliens must follow the same rules. What rules? Could they be the same Old Covenant that were replaced by the New Covenant proclaimed by our Lord and Savior? Or do you expect that the Palestinians must live by Old Testament rules that neither Christians nor even modern Jews live by?

    Exodus 12:48 (New International Version)
    48 “An alien living among you who wants to celebrate the LORD’s Passover must have all the males in his household circumcised; then he may take part like one born in the land. No uncircumcised male may eat of it.”

    This does not say that an alien must convert to Judaism to live in the land.

    The fact is that there are Muslims and Christians living in the land that some Jews want to take through force. Their are some Palestinians that want to resist that through terrorist activities. Both are evil.

    What is the Christian angle? We should only speak God’s word. Yes, He said “I will bless them that bless thee and curse those that curse thee.” But since then he procliamed us to be his holy people and we must seek to do his will, which is peace.

  34. poohpity says:

    Yep, I think we should kill everybody that does not think and believe the way we do. Everyone of our enemies should be killed and we need to repay evil for evil. God has shown that everyone that sins against Him is put to death and doesn’t deserve anything but rejection. The only ones that he loves are those that follow all 613 of the rules that were given Israel in the desert and it is Israel’s job to sit in judgment over every nation on earth. God did not have any problems when He wanted almost all of mankind wiped off the face of earth and He did not need our help in anyway. Oh Ouch!!! That is so sad!!

    I think the only time He asked us to help Him in anyway was to show love to others especially our enemies. Then He told us that “blessed are the meek, they shall inherit the earth’ Matt 5:5 and in Psalm 37:11 “But the meek will inherit the land and enjoy great peace.”. In Zephaniah 3:12 “But I will leave within you the meek and humble, who trust in the name of the LORD.” So those verses pretty much tell me if it is the Lord I am trusting in, then I can trust EVERYTHING into His mighty hands except to show a selfless love and care for every human being alive on the face of the earth then it is God who will lift His own into His kingdom when that time has come. Everyone else who does not trust in the Lord can argue and fight all they want over whatever they want like land, politics, religion and hate. God will someday take care of it ALL and then we will have a NEW Jerusalem unlike like what is there this present day.

    jjhis, I am so very sad for your loss and pray for God’s comfort to fill you and your family and friends.

  35. Bob in Cornwall England says:

    Deb, your sense of humour and irony is getting better as you mature.
    You are so right in the fact that the whole world now lives in a different age and yes ” the meek shall inherit the earth”
    Both Jew. Arab amd Gentile now live under the law of Jesus (Who fulfilled the old testatment law) when He commanded us to Love the Lord our God with all our Heart, Soul and mind and our neighbour as ourselves.
    If only this could happen, but God has another “end time” aggenda that must be fulfilled before Jusus returns.


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