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We Hereby Resolve… Maybe

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As we move into the second full week of 2011 we may or may not be having second thoughts about resolutions made, or not made, a week ago.

Change isn’t easy. Could it even be possible for us to follow through on our commitments? If so, what it is going to take?

Am thinking this morning about what happened three months after the nation of Israel was rescued from Egypt. From the top of Mount Sinai, Moses returned with a message from God,

“You yourselves have seen what I did to Egypt, and how I carried you on eagles’ wings and brought you to myself.

Now if you obey me fully and keep my covenant, then out of all nations you will be for me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.’

These are the words you are to speak to the Israelites.” So Moses went back and summoned the elders of the people and set before them all the words the LORD had commanded him to speak.

The people all responded together, “We will do everything the LORD has said.” So Moses brought their answer back to the LORD” (Exodus 19:4-8).

Something similar happened on other occasions of Israel’s history. It happened as the nation camped on the east bank of the Jordan river, on the threshold of the Promised land (Joshua 1:16-17). Amazingly the people said to their new leader, “Whatever you have commanded us we will do, and wherever you send us we will go. Just as we fully obeyed Moses, so we will obey you.”

What were they thinking? If Moses could only have heard them now, would he have rolled over in his grave?

Seems like I’ve heard these occasions of Israel’s promise to change– and to do everything the Lord wanted them to do– described as moments of noble resolve.

Certainly, God is pleased with our desire to be people who honor him as our real leader. But were their repeated promises to change really honorable… or foolish?

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Or would they have been wiser to say,

“Oh if only we could trust our God and obey him fully. Yes, we do want so much to show him how grateful we are for the life and mercies he has given us.

But we have come to see our own hearts. We want to change. But we are also sure that we will continue to need a God who is merciful and patient with us. Without his patience, and help, and grace, we won’t even be able to slowly change—let alone do or be everything he wants us (as we ourselves long) to be and do.”

Am thinking of  the options in light of what we’ve been saying about our need for bold, challenging leadership… that is as realistic as our need for courage, sacrifice, mercy, and patience.

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56 Responses to “We Hereby Resolve… Maybe”

  1. Charis says:

    In reading through the entire sermon on the mount (Matthew 5-8) putting into practice the standard of holiness seems impossible, yet it is required for the house to stand. So HOW can we LIVE this way? The end of the sermon on the mount tells us how and it does not rely on my own strength, that’s for sure!

    Matt 7:24 “Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock. 25 The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house; yet it did not fall, because it had its foundation on the rock.”

    I think the message of the GOSPEL, the GOOD NEWS, is that I CAN live up to Matt 5-8 through the resurrection power of Christ at work within me.

  2. oneg2dblu says:

    Charis… right on, to paraphase Matt 7:24 “what we put into practice, shows we are wise! So, when the tests of life come, and we are well practiced…we are ready.
    Faith that is not tested, cannot be trusted!
    If we practice using our faith, which is really founded in Him alone, we walk successfully together!
    Wise words from a quote of Sir Francis Drake:
    “Disturb us Lord, when we are too well pleased with ourselves,when our dreams have come true because we dream too little,when we arrive safely because we have sailed too close to the shore.”
    Never really testing, OUR FAITH! Gary

  3. foreverblessed says:

    Are we building our faith on our own word: Lord I will follow you,
    or are we building our faith on Jesus Himself.
    Reminds me of the januari 4 and 5 on the RBC site: My Utmost for His Highest.
    It talks about Peter, who promised: Jesus I will lay down my life for your sake! John 13:38
    You might think that Jesus would be glad with such a promise, but He wasn’t. read v 39

    I could better say: Lord I want to follow you with all of my heart and with all of my soul, and with all of my strength, please help me.
    I prayed that to God, one night, a very intense prayer: and a few days later I got a letter from a christian friend, who did not know what I had prayed, a letter with the text:
    So much as there are stars in heaven, and so much as there are grain of sand on the seashores, so much will I help you to follow me.
    It is God who we can trust, not ourselves.

  4. Mart De Haan says:

    foreverblessed, Peter is a great example… and the letter from your friend expresses so well the heart and strength of our God in response to the kind of prayer you are suggesting…

  5. poohpity says:

    It would be nice to say I am going to change then do it without any hesitation, immediately but I have found that change comes gradually. It seems the more I try the more the Lord waits in the wings and says, “you need me. Let me have you to mold and form into the person I want you to be.” I am so amazed at the patience that He has with us and the mercy. I shake my head in awe and ask “why?”. Why don’t you give up on me? I do not understand!! I am so thankful that God doesn’t but I sure do not know why.

  6. scout1 says:

    Mart, When you said, “Am thinking of the options in light of what we’ve been saying about our need for bold, challenging leadership… that is as realistic as our need for courage, sacrifice, mercy, and patience.” -Do you think that you are a bold, challenging leader in your ministry?

    I do. I’m sure many would agree with me that you have been a good example of leadership. I think that you have learned what you are having us discuss in these latest topics. I have seen not only here, but in the DOD videos, the characteristics of a leader in you. Someone who is firm, gentle, reassuring, challenging, and completely ready to back up everything with Scripture.

    What I was wondering was, were you ready to lead after your father and grandfather? What things do you see as a leader of this ministry that God reveals to you? What traits do you see that you rely on most? Can you relate to Moses is some regard?

    Sorry for all the questions, but it seems to me that it sure would be interesting to hear what it is like to be in the leadership role that your in.


  7. Linda M. Smith says:

    Thank you so much, Mart, for bringing this topic to light. It reminds of the “discussion” recently at the church I attended regarding “eternal security”. The debate went between “once saved, always saved”, and what our part is to keep us saved (Hebrews 6 – and other verses – is the text used for the keeping saved side.) Many feelings were hurt, and I’m not certain what it did for those young in the faith. So Mart, what does Scripture have to say about our part regarding our salvation? Philippians 2:12 verse can be used to point to our part, but from what I’ve learned over the years with the LORD, HE alone is Who keeps me doing anything. John 15:5 rings in my ears, and I am once again, grateful to be humbled before the LORD, accepting HIS power, strength, wisdom and mercy to go on/forward. Christ alone. Christ in me, the hope of glory…Halleluyah! Thanks to anyone who would shed more light. :)

  8. poohpity says:

    Linda, in the far right hand corner is a section about “Can Salvation Be Lost?” in the “Most Talked About” section click on that there are about 200 some responses. It has also split some hairs on here.

  9. oneg2dblu says:

    Linda… instead of reading through a couple hundred responces, to a salvation blog, you may find the answer more quickly, on the ODB Home Page,under the Resources Heading, there are 7 listings and under …Answers to tough questions, it will lead you to “One” very informed Answer. About what you are asking on this issue, of Once Saved Always Saved!

  10. Regina says:

    Good Evening All

    It snowed in Texas today! Can you believe it?! It was in the 60’s yesterday, and it rained and snowed today! The snow melted within a 3 hour period though, but it was really pretty! ..cold but nice! :)

    Mart, I totally agree with your comment,
    “Am thinking of the options in light of what we’ve been saying about our need for bold, challenging leadership… that is as realistic as our need for courage, sacrifice, mercy, and patience.”

    We need born-again, Spirit-filled, anointed leaders (as much as we need courage, sacrifice, mercy and patience) to help us understand what God expects of us, what He desires from us, and what He wants to do for us. My Pastor said today that what we don’t know *can* hurt us. Many people are suffering and perishing right now (as I type this comment) from lack of knowledge, and many people are suffering/perishing because their leaders are not even born-again, let alone Spirit-filled (and anointed to preach the gospel). Am thinking about Jim Jones and the Guyana Tragedy.

  11. Bob in Cornwall England says:

    Our speaker yesterday is a very challenging and “ecentric” man. Everywhere he goes he carries a cross and challenges pepople about Jesus.
    He even does this when he is not carrying the cross.
    He has just been to Nepal with his wife and a few friends, going from village to village telling Hindi people about Jesus. He lives about 10 miles from me in Camborne, Cornwall.
    Maybe we should all put away our fears and be more challenging!

    oneg2dblu, your post in the previous topic, January 9, 2011 at 6:58 am, is exactly the reaction I get from “christians” who do not understand and react hysterically. What is with the ______ and why can’t you say the word gay. I follow Jesus Christ, Messiah and in no way follow my fleshly desires anymore than any other person. The debate about masculinity and femininety is always a difficult one for me as I do not really fully undestand the concept as a gay person.
    Sometimes it is a curse, but mainkly it is a blessing to me as it opens up a new mindset and way of looking at the world. It also means that I do not stand on moral high ground when with people but am alongside and able to share in what other suffer emotionally as I have been through lots of hurt and abuse myself.


  12. foreverblessed says:

    Good morning Bob, on the other side they are still asleep.
    Did we take up our armour of God this morning?
    Ephesians 6:10-18
    WHen reading it this morning, I noticed that it does not talk about: Go under the mantle of God’s love.
    You know, when you write: I am a gay man, people associate it with sexually active men. So it would be helpfull if you would say, I am gay, but not sexually active anymore. Or something like that. So as to not shock people. I hope I do not shock you in anyway in writing this, but just to let you know how “straight” christian people can think.
    Maybe you could think of what Jesus wrote: Matthew 19:11-12 Jesus replied, “Not everyone can accept this word, but only those to whom it has been given. For some are eunuchs because they were born that way; others were made that way by men; and others have renounced marriage because of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it.”

    It would also be helpful if those who read what Bob writes, first would ask: What do you mean when you say I am a gay man, before they start preaching at him.
    I say this all in love, just to be more direct, not talking around the bush, (is that a proper english saying?)

  13. Bob in Cornwall England says:


    The saying is “beating about the bush” which is a way of saying not getting to the point.
    Thank you for your directness. We both live in far more open societies than those who live in the USA.
    As a result we tend to be able to chat about these things more easily and except others differences and way of life.
    I have been to work and am now home again. Apart from Steve, who gets up early, it is always nice to be on here while others are still sleeping and then await their comments later in the day.
    I have often read Mattthew 19:11-12 and wondered if Jesus was refering to differnt sexualities. I know one thing, it is better to be with Jesus and without sex than to lust and burn and not be saved.
    I use to resent my “condition” but now rejoice and give thanks as God uses me alot in this area and brings needy people to me who are looking in the wrong direction to be fulfilled. Only Jesus can satisfy all our needs.
    Better change the subject here as we are abusing Mart’s hospitality and moving off topic.
    I wish I had all the answers on this but I know a man who does!


  14. foreverblessed says:

    OK, sorry Mart, for going off-topic. THe resolution Paul had:
    “For I resolved to knwo nothing while I was with you except Jesus Christ and Him crucified”.

    Besides that he says in the next verse: I came to you in weakness and fear, and with much trembling.
    I find this very interesting, as you were writing the last few topics about the masculinity.
    THis does not sound really masculine, and we need not be worried about it either:
    because Paul wants us not to rely on masculinity, but on God’s power, I use a little freedom,
    ( read v4-5 My message and my preaching were not with wise and persuasive words, but with a demonstration of the Spirit’s power, so that your faith might not rest on mens’wisdom, but on God’s power).

  15. Mart De Haan says:

    foreverblessed, I agree that the real subject we’ve been talking about has not been gender but the full character of Christ that brings out courage, strength, love, in all of us (in different expressions– depending on what God has given us.)

    What I was referring to the post above is that this seems to be the kind of subject that shows our need for both challenge and comfort, initiative and interdependence, along with a sense of both justice and mercy.

  16. Mart De Haan says:

    Scout, I’ve been thinking about your questions. I learned different things from my dad/father and grandfather– both of whom had very different gifts that they used– in different times, to further the same mission. Both have been strong reference points for me as I’ve tried to work with what has been entrusted to me and my generation of co-workers.

    Since you asked about Moses, yes, I can identify with his early impulsiveness, his need for the back side of the desert to sort matters out, and his later sense of being unequal for the challenge before him. I continue to learn not only from the way the LORD gave him and his people enough “bread/manna” for the day at hand– but from the purpose that was far greater then themselves.

  17. Mart De Haan says:

    poohpity, I resonate so much with your prayers, balance, and perspective; and Bob, I find your transparency and focus on Christ is so good for all of us. Don’t mean to neglect response here to anyone else.

  18. Mart De Haan says:

    Linda, I’ll see if I can post something fresh on the “security” issue soon. It’s worth looking at every once in a while.

  19. SFDBWV says:

    It is interesting that we all live divided lives.

    In one we have a life of unanswered desires, so we pray, wait, build faith and learn patience.

    In another we believe our actions are required to bring about our desired results, so we learn disapointment, frustration, our faith is tested.

    In still another we place our unanswered desired upon the shoulders or Christ and we go about our daily lives doing the things we must do in order to survuve or doing the things that have become our habits…Not dwelling on the things we cannot change.

    When I was a young Christian, I often wondered how in the world could these Israelites even fall away from God, after seeing the massive demonstration of His Power against the Pharoh of Egypt (The power that kept them in chains).

    Then slowly through living I learned that even though God does powerful miracles in our own lives…we soon forget and begin to complain and whine for more…

    A very thin line between expecting God to fill our needs and expecting Him to be a genie in a bottle that grants wishes.

    Clearly I believe we can accomplish nothing of any value without God…The fullness of God in us.

    Whereby we use, Scripture wisdom, Scripture virture, Scripture teachings, Scripture examples, Mercy, sacrifice, and patience in all we undertake to…do.

    Our faith still requires for us to DO, not just to SAY.

    All of the people of ancient Israel said they would do all the Lord has required of them, but what did they…DO?

    So it is for us, we can either speak our intentions or be active and actualy live our intentions. Better to say nothing, better yet not to make empty promises, then to just be a firecracker with only a fuse and no bang.

    My friend Edward Utz, took the picture of the Eagle on Rt 93 between Davis and the Mt Storm Power Station, several miles from where I live. He and I share an interest for nature and history, as well as our Christianity.


  20. scout1 says:

    Mart -Thank you for the response. I hope that I was not to forward in my questions. I guess I was asking what it is like to be you -in your leadership role. Thank you for the answer.

    Steve -Thanks, I needed that. I used to always wonder the same thing -(When I was a young Christian, I often wondered how in the world could these Israelites even fall away from God, after seeing the massive demonstration of His Power against the Pharoh of Egypt (The power that kept them in chains). Now I see how easy I start to complain. Shame on me!

    We are all leaders in some regard -but most important is looking at our leadership through our following Jesus. If I don’t follow Jesus – I can’t be any good at leading anything. (even being a parent).

    Thanks for the pictures, Steve. I wonder where the picture came from on the other post that looked like a door into a hill?

    Blessing for today,

  21. Charis says:

    Bob in Cornwall,

    I agree with you about Matt 19 and I add, it also speaks about of celibacy for Christ (with you are familiar, I gather from your testimony above).

    I wonder if saying something like “I have a homosexual orientation” would be more accurate than saying “I am gay”? “Gay” means “happy” to those of us over 50. I mentioned in an earlier thread how I had my own intense and painful struggle with self-hatred and self-rejection of my femininity. And I identify with you when you say you can now rejoice and give thanks for your identity in Christ. Still, how is the ambivalence and the long and painful struggle with self-rejection “gay”? Referring to sexual orientation, when I hear “I am gay”, it speaks of a lifestyle whose practitioners would view celibacy/sexual purity with distaste if not contempt. If you are celibate for Jesus (ala Matt 19:12 “there are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven”), “I am gay” does not strike me as an accurate description of yourself.

    Perhaps its just semantics? But I am a big believer in the power of our words. Our words can speak life or death. TRUTH brings freedom.

  22. Charis says:

    Speaking of how we did change and grow, how we overcame the self-hatred and self-rejection and came to understand who we are in Christ, that we are “accepted in the beloved” and “pure and blameless before Him in love” (Eph 1:4,6) and that this is not of our own power, goodness, or strength but “His power perfected in my weakness” 2 Cor 12:9

    is not Off Topic!

  23. SFDBWV says:

    Charis, I too agree there is great power in what we say. Which it is why it is important for us to think before we speak.

    I believe the words we speak also have an importance in the unseen worlds around us, in ways we are yet to understand. Also I believe we will be held accountable for our spoken words.

    So to be careful in what we flippantly say, or write.


  24. BruceC says:


    You said,
    “But we have come to see our own hearts. We want to change. But we are also sure that we will continue to need a God who is merciful and patient with us. Without his patience, and help, and grace, we won’t even be able to slowly change—let alone do or be everything he wants us (as we ourselves long) to be and do.”

    That nailed it Mart. Your statement about what the Israelites should have said. And that is how we should approach it. Seen too many brothers and sisters who thought that they had “it all together” and would flippantly and arrogantly throw Scripture at those who they believed were spiritually dense and weren’t like them. Heard a visiting pastor/speaker a couple of years back say that when he came to Christ that his lifestyle did a complete 180; and he couldn’t understand why it didn’t happen to others. Couldn’t understand why many still struggled. I’ve seen brethren like that fall flat on their faces and be almost devastated too. Rather listen to one who encourages and admits they have struggles too. I’d rather look to a leader as a kind of guide; rather than a leader. Reserve that leadership for Christ. Too many today I fear follow after a leader instead of a King. While I realize we can look up to them as an example; we must also realize Who and Whose power molded them.
    I am still dealing with things in my life; sins that plague me. But I keep pressing on. This “new creature” will never be complete until he is in the presence of the Only One who can do that.


    I e-mailed RBC to see how I can send some pics to you last week and never got a response.

    Soli Deo Gloria!

  25. Bob in Cornwall England says:


    This is not really the forum to talk about these matters, this is a place where we explore our thinking on structured topics set out by Mart. I occasionally use the word gay on here to describe myself as I have no other way to relate my way of thinking, which is not right wing or main stream christian thinking but a less rigid way of seeing God’s plan for me and others.
    The church’s thinking is often based on a legalistic view of God and our relationship with Him. Jesus came up against this type of thinking with the Jewish establishment and He embrased all types of people in His ministry. I cannot begin to change other peoples views or thinking but I assure you the image of the homsexual lifestyle being promiscuous and un excepting of retriction, self control and celibacy is a false one that is mainly projected in the media.
    In reality many gay (a term given us by the media and I make no appology for using it) men and women live lonely lives or live with partners who are more soul mates than objects of lust. These people are gentle loving human beings who need Jesus as much as any other.
    In my village alone there seems to be more and more people, either moving here or openly admitting their sexuality, that are crying out for that inner love that only God can fill.
    Jesus gave up everything and became a sacrifice so they and myself could have a realtionship with His Father. So many teenage boys commit suicide for alsmost no apparent outward reason, but I know the anguish and pain of what they are going through and Jesus knows to.
    We all have to love one another as He loved us.
    Unity is how we started 1/1/11 and that should be our resolve now and forever.


  26. oneg2dblu says:

    Off topic, or on Message, you decide.
    Should we really preach the word, the “actual words” as they are written, or do we instead, use only the words that are in a more preachable form, for those who can’t handle the truth!
    Because, to not call sin, by its proper name, we deceive!
    Does Society have the power to change words to allow for ungodly treaspass?
    I say those hard words are there for a purpose,they give
    God His Voice!!
    Society changes His Words and the laws they have generated, for a purpose also! Unless society has the real authority and power over you, I would, “Stand Against,” ANY change that society makes, in its attempt to lessen the Word of God to suit its followers.
    A Christ Follwer, should not change God’s Word, to suit their treaspasses! THAT IS SIN AT ITS GREATEST HOUR!
    That is what “open thinking” societies have done since the beginig of time, they give liberty, where God gives strict limits, and every time society steps into that areana, they FALL!
    I look at any societie’s history who change themselves into an open thinking, BE YOUSELF society,who live by their own desires, and then, I look at “HIS STORY,” that warns us to put aside our sin nature, our desires which oppose HIS, and I find man is foolish about making laws that give rights, to that which God calls wrong!
    That is what guides my spirit, and gives me that hard edge to inform sinners that they are NOT OKAY, doing life their way.
    But, if you can’t allow me my voice, then you may also be,
    NOT HEARING, others as well! Those who have ears…

  27. poohpity says:

    Thank you , Mart.

    I understand you heart, mind and soul Bob. It would be nice if people did more listening with ears who really want to hear and to know you, all of you.

    Gary all the things you preach about you do. 1. Change the Word of God to suit you. Have you ever read the bible? 2. You admit saying hard words because from what I see you do not display the heart of Christ so in your condemnation you have condemned yourself. 3. You talk about society and it’s impact on Christians yet your speech is what turns people away from Christ and His grace. 4. You say you are a prophet from God yet you do not have ears to hear, nor eyes that see, that God’s mercies are new every morning. 5 You are so busy looking at the sin in everybody else you have neglected the sin in your own life. 6 The spirit that you represent here to me is one of judgment, condemnation, criticizing, shaming, prideful, and legalism which is from satan the king of all lies. 7 You say you want truth yet when someone shares truth with you reply in anger and harshness. I for one do not see what we have been given to see if one is filled with the Spirit of God in you not to say you are not a work in progress. 8. Go look in the mirror while reading Matthew 7:1-4. With the same measure you use to judge others you shall be judged also.

  28. Bob in Cornwall England says:

    Deb, nothing else to add other than…… AMEN!

  29. Bob in Cornwall England says:


    Jesus changed the whole meaning of sin when He preached His sermon on the mount. Before then it was about disobeying the law, He said it was a heart thing to Hate, or lust or dwell on a sin, it was the same as actually doing it.
    Jesus came not to end the law but to fulfill it. Scripture also says we would have it “written in our hearts”
    I do not brake the law of God with regard to my sexual activity neither do I dwell on it in my heart anymore than anyone else. Our task is to “Submit to God, resist the devil and He will flee from us.”
    “Be transformed by the renewing of your mind.”
    God’s word, the Bible is the source of this submission and transformation we ignore it at our peril.


  30. phpatato says:

    WOW is all I can say. I’ve lost track…which round is this? Nevermind! I have learned long ago that if I won’t like the answer, don’t ask the question.

    It’s to the back burner for me. I’ll stop by in a month or so. I am tired of barbs being tossed about. I can go to a secular chat room and see more love. I’ll be lovingly praying for you both!

    (barb: aggressive remark(s) directed at a person like a missile and intended to have a telling consequence)

    In Christ’s LOVE


  31. oneg2dblu says:

    poohpity… thank you for “not being” Judgmental in “your opinion” of my voice. I said, I have the gift of prophesy, it is one of my strongest giftings.
    A prophet “cannot concern himself” with how the meessage he gives is received, or he may try to change it, to his liking, or for the hearer.
    Perhaps another gift will be given me through your strong reply. So,thank you!
    Have I read the bible? I will only respond,by saying,
    do I quote from some other text?
    I do not condem the person who sins, He is me as well, but only the sin as some try to make sound more acceptable to God!
    John the Baptist never said, Be Yourself!
    Howevr, the Apostle Paul did say:
    1 Corithians 6:9-11, 15-20
    Do you not know the “wicked’ will not inherit the kingdom of God…
    Is it these words you judge, or just how they are delivered, OUT OF CONTEXT, for you are deciphering
    them as unacceptable?
    We who read the bible ALL know the list of attributes contained in these verses, they are there for that very reason!I’m sorry if they are offensive, hard words, but they are NOT MINE, I’m just moved to bring them into the light, as ALL SIN will be!


  32. poohpity says:

    Pat, my name is Deborah Johnson nice to meet you and the things I wrote were not written in aggression but in love to confront untruth. If I have offended you and you will not post again for a month I am sad to hear that. You can stay and I will be be happy to back out other than reading Mart’s post, truthfully that was my reason for coming here in the first place.

  33. Bob in Cornwall England says:

    I agree with you that this is not the place to bandy personal insults around or to score points off each other.
    I said Amen to Deb’s comments above because I was a little taken aback by what Gary said and his lack of understanding of my thoughts.
    I know in the past I have provoked angst with regard to national and culture differences but God is showing me over and over again that it is our love for each other and our unity that we should pursue.
    I appologise to you and Mart if I have created animosity between anyone.
    I guess the idea of this blog is to promote healthy discussion and not to provoke.


  34. poohpity says:

    Bob, you did nothing wrong but be honest. It was what I said and this has not been the first time that I have stirred someone to anger. In the past I have thanked people for their feedback and this time it would have been nice to do the same. My protective spirit came out again and it is not for me to point out the hypocrisy in what someone else says that is God’s work and He does not need my help. When I get involved in the equation as usual I cause anger, resentment and people leaving. It is my transgressions that have caused division. Please do not look to me but to God’s Word and His Spirit to teach. I blow it very often and I apologize in this. I repent and ask the Lord for forgiveness from harming His sheep. In much love Deb.

  35. phpatato says:


    You know very well that I have been posting on here for well over a year, well at least as long as it has been since your mom’s passing. I “sent” a warm hug to you at that time. You reciprocated by extending a warm welcome to me to this blog. Why the introduction now? I feel as though it is to patronize me. (not to be rude but just to tell you how I am honestly feeling)

    You have not offended me. Please forgive me if I took your efforts of confronting untruths as being barbs, and I am sorry that I’ve read a “tone” in your words. As for Gary, he has expressed in very plain English how he feels.

    I am sure that I am not the only person to have felt a strain between you and Gary these past several days. It saddens me to see such tension between you both; my brother and my sister in Christ Jesus. Again Deb and Gary, please forgive me if I have misconstrued this as being tension.

    Please stay. It would further sadden me to know that I was responsible for you not contributing anymore. Besides, I am thinking that if I am guilty of seeing this in the wrong light, it may be time for Me to take the break.

    Please accept this hug that I give you both.


  36. Bob in Cornwall England says:


    Don’t condem yourself as I have seen you bring such wisdom and learning to this place.
    Mart often refers to your comments with keen interest.
    I know there are underlying tentions here between certain people and some of it goes back to other topics that are still being updated from last year.
    It is not for me to say too much but maybe the policing should be done by the blog moderators and not us as “users”
    We have to be careful how we conduct ourselves as anyone can view this site. I am pleased we can be honest here which means we are real about our beliefs and not putting on a show for the world at large.
    Jesus said We will be known by our love for one another, warts and all. let’s look beyond self and the flesh to the one who loves us.
    Jesus, lover of our souls.


  37. foreverblessed says:

    Bob, Pat, Pooh, we have all been commenting here, please stay loving towards one another. I have heard none of you say that they will stay as they are, but all of you have been changed by our Lord Jesus Christ. So if someone comes here and says that he has a message of repentance, the ones that need that message can take it to heart, but all of us are active followers of Christ.
    I personally am resolved that the cross of Christ was the centre of Jesus’ message, and the centre of my life, I cannot do that unless I am repentant, because if I am not repentant I do not see the need of the cross, I would find it a foolish thought.
    Thank you Jesus that You are the Hope of the nations,
    (Hope of the nations is song by Brian Doerksen, I am practicing this on the piano right now, it is my resolve to be able to play in the praise band this year, I have to get the rythm right, I practice with the cd and try to keep up, all play in rythm. This blog is like playing together in rythm as well, sometimes we are not in line, I pray that the Holy Spirit will direct us, and Mart in particular, with Love, Rie)

  38. Mart De Haan says:

    Am guessing we’d all agree that there is no place on earth we could go without running into insult– real or imagined. Seems to me that it is much healthier to be able to speak openly to one another as you are.

    One of the good things is that many of us have already worked through a lot of issues, a good deal of misunderstanding, disagreement, and occasional irritation (at least :-)… And we’ve come through… better for the stretch.

  39. Mart De Haan says:

    BruceC, I set up a separate e-mail box for me that you can use to send pictures. Try mart.dehaan@rbc.org. That should work– if I can be trusted to check it :-)… Sorry you didn’t get a reply before this.

  40. Mart De Haan says:

    By the way, I’d much rather have us bump heads once in a while rather than having the site moderated to avoid all conflict. I think this is far more real. Isn’t it true that being exposed to microbes is far safer than trying to live in a sterile environment :-)…

  41. poohpity says:

    Mart, :-) Howard Hughes tried to live in a sterile environment and look what it got him, lol. He could not hide from the germs in his heart and mind.

    Pat I retold you my name because I thought you called me Barb but as I reread your post I understand it was speaking about “a barb” shows to go ya don’t it how I can misunderstand things. lol. I love all you guys very much and am glad we have the ability to talk things out.

  42. Bob in Cornwall England says:


    I am amazed by your tolerance and love.
    Bumping heads is the correct phrase.
    You must look at us sometimes as naughty children that need their heads knocking together so they can see sense.
    Thank you for being you!


  43. Bob in Cornwall England says:


    I am amazed by your tolerance and love.
    Bumping heads is the correct phrase.
    You must look at us sometimes as naughty children that need their heads knocking together so they can see sense.
    Thank you for being you!


  44. Bob in Cornwall England says:

    sorry, must have double clicked

  45. poohpity says:

    Lord please help me from jumping to conclusions because the landing hurts a lot. :-) I hereby resolve to put this into the Lord’s trustworthy capable hands.

  46. poohpity says:

    I second that emotion and observation Bob.

    I second that emotion and observation Bob.

    Just a little humor, ;-)

  47. Bob in Cornwall England says:


    nearly my bedtime here

    sweet dreams Deb

  48. phpatato says:

    I like living in an environment where I am exposed to microbes but I also try to have a healthy supply of hand sanitizer close by. :-)

    Mart, I am sorry that you felt compelled to have to moderate. To my fellow bloggers, please forgive my part in all of this.

  49. phpatato says:


    I was thinking of us being naughty children as well…playing in a sandbox together. There was a sand fight, but hopefully after a nice hot bath tonight, we can meet again tomorrow to start to play again. hahahaha

  50. Bob in Cornwall England says:


    In proverbs somewhere, about never letting the sun go down on your wrath.

    Feels like an episode of the Waltons here.

    Good Night Grandma!

  51. phpatato says:

    Goodnight JimBob! lol

  52. oneg2dblu says:

    Mart… thank you for giving usHoly Ground to stand on.
    Although, I do not wear sandles, I’ll take mine off too!
    Even with all the heat we have generated, when you get to finally hit your knees, and get closer to the ground, it suddenly gets cooler! Even quiet and calm!
    Praise God for bringing us here, because we do not meetor express deep feelings, by accident. Someone has brough us to the table, and words have been on the menu, so we picked what we wanted, and then had to eat them as well!
    I’m so glad, someone said, GRACE for us!
    In His Love Gary

  53. davids says:

    I love this blog, and happy to see that the Holy Spirit is alive in it, bringing believers together despite their different understandings and experiences.

    Grace, David

  54. foreverblessed says:

    Some of us have mentioned lastly that God is a God of order,
    last night my eye fell on this chaptre: Gifts of prophecy and tongues 1 Corinthians 14, I started reading, and ended at v33 God is a God of disorder but of peace. Allthough it speaks of people speaking in church, you could apply it here, as if we are speaking one after the other.
    It also says that when a prophecy is being given, the others should weigh carefully wht is said, v29.

    So I started to read about the the call to repentance, and all over, (that is after Jesus had died) when it is mentioned it first starts with the story of Christ and Him crucified, for the remission of sin.
    Matthew 28:18-20, Mark 16:15-18, Luke 24:46-49 Repentance and forgiveness of sins will be preached in His name to all nations.
    Acts 1:8But you will receive Power when the Holy Spirit comes upon you, and you will be my witness in Jerusalem … and to the ends of the earth.
    Acts 2:1-40
    So I would form these scriptures say: that when we talk about repentance we would add Jesus in front in the middle and in the end, The Alpha and the Omega.

  55. oneg2dblu says:

    foreverblessed… you words when taken in, or out of context are true. Jesus+thecontext+Jesus! We speak in Him,for Him, through Him,about Him,and then,we thank Him for giving us, His Indwelling Voice. Praise God!

  56. oneg2dblu says:

    foreverblessed…. 7:17 You left out a word, which changed the whole context, Vs.33 “God is NOT a God of disorder… But of Peace.” Sorry, but I’m a slow reader!LOL

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