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Famous Pairs

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Am guessing that when you see the following short list of famous pairs, you will think of other duos that have a way of doing together what neither could do on their own. In addition to bacon and eggs, there are,

  • Sherlock and Watson
  • Tom and Huck
  • Abbot and Costello
  • Batman and Robin
  • Lewis and Clark
  • Clark Kent and Lois
  • The Lone Ranger and Tonto etc.

If from a much longer list we took any pair and thought about it, we could probably find out why together something emerges that is greater than 1 + 1 = 2.

The Bible gives us many examples of such pairs. Some are people like David and Goliath. Others are combinations of principles like justice and mercy. In every case what emerges is something greater than either part could be on its own.

  • David + Goliath = something we learn about our God
  • Justice + Mercy = something we learn about God, life, relationships, and ourselves.

This ability to think in pairs is essential to our spiritual growth. It’s part of the idea that we have in mind when we describe the difference between giving someone a fish, or showing them how to fish. It’s about synergy, working together, wisdom, and the very nature of our God.

Who can adequately measure the importance of the statement: “The Word became flesh, and lived among us full of grace and truth” (John 1:14)?

Let’s begin exploring together some of the famous pairs of the Bible by thinking about the implications of a statement that does not simply say that “The Word was full of truth”, or that “The Word was full of grace.” As we think about the way grace and truth work together, let’s try to see them in both principle, and also in light of personal examples we have seen along the way.

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69 Responses to “Famous Pairs”

  1. SFDBWV says:

    Ok omitting the trio of God the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, my first pair is Adam and Eve.

    Here is a study of all of mankind of all that is right and wrong in life with and apart from God. Here in this duo we find God’s intention for man to not be alone but have that proper companion.

    Here we can see Christ as Adam and Eve as His Church.

    I like Chuck Missler’s thoughts about Adam not wanting Eve to be separated from him or God eternally so he joined her in her mistake of disobeying and partaking of the fruit.

    Yes my first couple is “The” first couple, Adam and Eve.

    Not monkeys not pond scum not an evolved species but rather the first two humans, Adam created by God from the clay and Eve created from him. Together they become one…again.


  2. SFDBWV says:

    In thinking about Adam and Eve as an example of the whole story of God and man, I am drawn to the concept that all of us who have had children and raised them up knowing right from wrong can understand God wanting to keep Adam from all the ills of the world. To keep him safe and make him happy.

    Part of making him happy was to give to him a proper helper, a companion that fit his every need. Adam didn’t ask for Eve God seen he needed a companion more like himself to keep him company and to share paradise with.

    I wonder how many parents out here blame their son’s downfalls on his choice of a wife or visa versa.

    God though gave Adam the wife and companion that was proper for him. How many of us chose our wives or companions from a heart not centered on God, but only about our own selfish desires?

    If you adopt the concept that Adam loved Eve and loved her completely, you can agree that when she was beguiled by the serpent into disobeying God, Adam’s heart was broke as he feared she would be punished and separated from him and God forever. Just as God’s heart was broken and just as He knew his beloved mankind would be separated from Him forever, for disobeying.

    So again in theory, imagine that Adam also partook of the fruit so that his beloved Eve would not face her punishment alone, that Adam took her punishment upon himself as well so they would not be separated even in punishment.

    This idea starts to look like God’s plan for Adam and Eve’s forgiveness. As God Himself becomes flesh and takes upon Himself all the sins of mankind and dies in the place of Adam and Eve so that they can be returned to Him and not separated from Him forever.

    This plan though had to go through many lifetimes in order to be carried out, according to the perfect will of God.

    Just some thoughts on one pair of people from the Bible.


  3. poohpity says:

    God + Man = Good Works

  4. Toml5169 says:

    I am always amazed at the way you think. I have heard countless sermons on Adam and Eve but your insights (theories) are inspiring. You have coupled love and sin from God to us and Adam to Eve. This is humbling to any man who is committed to his wife. Would I love her so deeply to not allow her to suffer the grief of sin and separation alone but walk that with her out of a loving choice.
    Thank you for this insight! I hope I can live up to that sacrificial love toward my wife of 40 years, as I feel I have not done so thus far.

  5. Toml5169 says:

    In thinking further I would like to suggest the coupling of love and sacrifice. God of course displayed it firsthand but the theme is so constant throughout all of scripture. Rarely is their Agape love without sacrifice. Marriage may be the greatest teacher of this and as that extends out to our children and grandchildren it becomes even more empowering. If I were to introduce one other aspect it would be time. Sacrificial love often feels far different from what we think of as love however time is often the ingredient that brings better perspective. I will bow out now and be blessed by the comments of others. Be Blessed and a Blessing

  6. poohpity says:

    Mart, as I reread the topic I was thinking that unless one knows the truth how can they ever understand grace. When I first accepted the grace of God it was only after realizing the truth regarding the sinful nature. After walking in the truth for a while I started to look at myself in a different light but that different light clouded my mind to further truth about that sin nature that still resides within. That battle that will remain until I pass from this life into the next. It is only conquered through the grace of God in this life time and understanding that Grace that continues until this body dies helps me to understand the truth of what Christ actually did on the Cross.

  7. poohpity says:

    An example of the necessity of truth and grace being interconnected would be let’s say Peter although he walked with the truth and saw it in action still denied the truth three times. He did not get it all until he experienced the grace of God through the act of Jesus restoration when asking Peter three times to follow Him and feed his sheep.

    Or the prisoner who recognized the truth and Jesus because of this recognition with no works would be in paradise that day by grace.

    Also Paul who walked in the truth of the law that brought him to those Paul felt were breaking the law until he met, on the road to Damascus, when he experienced the One that he was persecuting which showed Paul that unless there is grace the truth alone will not stand.

  8. poohpity says:

    So the equation could read;

    1 (truth) + 1 (grace) = 1 (Jesus)

  9. remarutho says:

    Hello Mart & Friends!

    Mart, you wrote:
    “Who can adequately measure the importance of the statement: “The Word became flesh, and lived among us full of grace and truth” (John 1:14)?”

    I confess I cannot measure the importance of Christ’s coming in the flesh. Today, I have been thinking about Abraham sending Eliezer back to Haran to seek for Isaac’s divinely appointed wife (Genesis 24). Every step of the old servant’s journey was bathed in humble prayer for God’s leading. God miraculously supplied super-abundant grace. It was all ordained, but nothing was taken for granted:

    humble seeking + gracious supply = divine appointment
    Isaac + Rebekah = only son and wife,
    a new nation
    Jesus + his bride = coming reign of God,
    all things made new

    Paul tells Timothy “all Scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, so that everyone who belongs to God may be proficient, equipped for every good work” (2 Timothy 3:16-17)

    In the synergy between the Old Testament portrait of Isaac and Rebekah, and the New Testament portrait of Christ and his church (Revelation ch. 19, ch. 21) there is, for me, a striking fingerprint of the Creator God. The Lord continues to move in the way he has — in the way he is moving — and the way he always will move: Immeasurable, shockingly and deeply loving, unhurried, eternal, hugely greater than the sum of the parts.


  10. SFDBWV says:

    Toml5169, thank you for your response it is encouraging to know when someone is blessed by something I have said. It is important that we strengthen each other in whatever way we can. Congratulations on 40 years of marriage. I agree, real love is found in sacrifice.


  11. SFDBWV says:

    In applying Mart’s topic of biblical pairs I am brought to antonyms, true antonyms are opposites, but there are relative terms such as are shown in Marts picture; cups and saucers table and chairs. Relative terms such as father and son, husband and wife are not true antonyms but oppose as well as compliment each other.

    Joseph and Mary; here is a pair that fully compliment each other in their service to God as well as their love toward each other.

    Joseph was willing to do what ever it was to see to Mary’s needs. Even before he accepted the truth of her virgin pregnancy, her safety and reputation was his concern. Once God revealed to him Mary’s place in this event, he did all he could without question to obey God and be a husband to his young bride.

    Since we know Jesus was trained as a carpenter, it was Joseph who for all of Jesus’ growing years and young adulthood treated Him as if He was his own son. As well as is recorded, never questioning the supernatural birth and circumstances surrounding Jesus’ birth. There seemed to be a season in Jesus’ life whereas Joseph was his dad.

    Mary, a very young girl, stunned at the news the angel brought yet gladly took on the task of being Jesus’ mother, never really knowing the consequences of it, like Joseph she just trusted and believed God. At one point in Cana she leaned on Jesus to help her instead of Joseph, so sadly Joseph may have already died, as I believe Joseph would have seen to all of Mary’s needs.

    Mary loved Joseph and Joseph loved Mary, God needed them to be the parents of the Savior of mankind. Together this pair strengthened each other and accomplished the task God put before them, and it took a large portion of their lives to do so.

    God’s plan for me may take my lifetime to accomplish also, I pray I have the resolve, patience and trust that this pair shown in being obedient to God.


  12. remarutho says:

    Thank-you, Steve —

    You wrote:
    “Since we know Jesus was trained as a carpenter, it was Joseph who for all of Jesus’ growing years and young adulthood treated Him as if He was his own son.”

    Joseph and Jesus
    Mary and Jesus
    Jesus and his disciples
    Ananias and Paul
    Eunice and Timothy
    Lois and Timothy
    Paul and Timothy

    I am endebted to those who have so generously mentored me. Like a journeyman teaches an apprentice, these divinely appointed relationships bear fruit far beyond what flesh may expect: spiritual geneology. There is more going on here than meets they eye…


  13. Mart De Haan says:

    In considering such pairs of ideas or persons, am intrigued with what each 1 of any given 2 gives to the other so that together they can do something that neither could do on their own.

    I think poohpity that is is what you are on to when you say that without truth you could not have known grace. And without grace truth could do us all in…

  14. rxman says:


    Why do you think you still have that “sin nature” within you? I think you would have to define who is “you”. Is it your fleshly body or your mind or your spirit? If it is your body or your mind, then I would agree that we still have sinful desires. But if who we are is our spirit joining with God’s Spirit, then I think our sinful nature has been killed.

    What are your thoughts?

  15. SFDBWV says:

    Ok Mart thinking along your new line of commenting I am drawn to opposites exposing the meaning behind the other.

    Without darkness can we appreciate light? Without bad can we understand good?

    Evil has many names as does love, but can we fully appreciate all of the blessings of love without understanding what the absence of love is?

    To me the absence of God is hell, whether living now in this temporary life or in eternity in a spirit existence.
    However heaven is the presence of God, again, whether in this life or the life to come.

    You have drawn the topic as pairs yet as God is a triune Spirit, I suggest so is the complete man.
    Body and soul = an incomplete man, however body and soul merged with the Holy Spirit = the completed man.


  16. alegria says:

    So blessed by all your comments……..Pooh, Steve, Tom, Remu. So thankful God has led me to this blog to be able to grow spiritually with the wisdom he has placed in you.

    Steve’s comment about Joseph and Jesus reminded me of a plaque that hangs in my daughter Claudia’s room:

    Not flesh of my flesh, nor bone of my bone,
    But still, miraculously, my own.
    Never forget, not for a minute,
    You weren’t born under my heart
    but in it.

    As an adoptive mom, I don’t think Joseph and Mary ever considered parenting Jesus a burden……but rather a privilege. I think they realized it was their major calling in life to “launch” the Savior of mankind with God’s help. They were humbled by knowing that God had chosen them to do that job. Dan and I feel so blessed knowing that God somehow brought Claudia from Ecuador, and the womb of another woman, to be our daughter. Obviously, Claudia appreciates that too. Even at 16, the plaque is on the center of her wall and matches nothing else in the room.

    God + Mary and Joseph = the blessing of mankind thru a savior.

    As far as couples in the Bible go, I’ve always been intrigued by Paul and Barnabas. They must have been complete opposites in many ways. Their division over John Mark had to be painful – yet God continued to use each of them. I’m fascinated that toward the end of his life, Paul wanted the comfort of John Mark. At that point, whether from JM’s changed behavior, or Paul’s growth in grace and mercy, Paul must have realized that JOhn Mark was truly his adopted spiritual son……even though he had blown it in the past.


    I thing we see that in the relationship with Joseph and Jesus.

  17. remarutho says:

    Hello Pam!

    You wrote:

    “I’m fascinated that toward the end of his life, Paul wanted the comfort of John Mark. At that point, whether from JM’s changed behavior, or Paul’s growth in grace and mercy, Paul must have realized that JOhn Mark was truly his adopted spiritual son……even though he had blown it in the past.”

    Wow! What an excellent point! I believe so too! What is it about that nemesis of mine that keeps my attention? At the last, Paul remembered John Mark!
    JM had those qualities — “What IS it about that boy?” When the “saints go marching in,” will there be gazillions of “odd couples” who somehow worked together in ways they did not comprehend? Perhaps Paul realized there in his dank prison cell that JM had remarkable perseverence and character — after all. It is fascinating.


  18. foreverblessed says:

    What a beautiful stories, Eliezer, John Mark (thanks Alegria)
    I was thinking about the verses in 2 Peter 1:5-7
    knowledge-self control
    godliness-brotherly love
    brotherly love-love to all (charity)

    Maybe these characteristics go in pairs, but that is a lot of thinking, my mind doesn’t grasp it at once.
    The pair knowledge and self control maybe do not go well.
    You can have a lot of knowledge, but not self control,
    Unless knowledge is meant the knowledge of God, and when you read 1 John 4:8 it all fits.

    (Eliezer, I have heard a preacher who said that Eliezer was a type of Christ, He going to another country traveling far, to get His wife. As a type of Jesus leaving heaven going far, even sitting at a well, talking to a woman)

  19. saled says:

    What about Isaac and Ishmael, Jacob and Esau? Why not just Isaac? Why not just Jacob? Were the favored two somehow increased by their brothers?

  20. Toml5169 says:

    Thinking about pairs and especially about Paul and Barnabas; “Son of Encouragement”. After they split up over taking John Mark with them again we really don’t know very much about Barnabas and John Mark, however we do see the results of Barnabas’s labor of encouragement when Paul asks for him later in life. We also see Paul’s growth as he encourages young Timothy as a church leader. Yes I believe even Paul learned from the example of Barnabas. This all begs the question who am I paired with today who just might be at my side “When the Saints are Marching In”? God Bless America and all who are fighting for freedom. God Bless all of those who strive to encourage others to freedom in Christ!

  21. poohpity says:


    I think Paul sums it up much better than I ever could in Romans 7:14-25. Although it is as you say about the freedom from sin, I still do it. Jesus paid the penalty for my sin but still not recognizing I do it which is the truth I can not see the grace that has been shown me. Jesus was the only person alive that lived without sin. His death was for the past, present and future sin in all our lives. Do I wake up every morning choosing to sin , no. Am I able when I do to ask for forgiveness and receive it, yes. That hold that sin has on me brought the penalty of death but I have been freed from that penalty not to continue to sin but to do good works.

    Mart summed it up in his final paragraph that gave us to think about the principles of the pair of Truth and Grace as we have seen it along the way.

  22. SFDBWV says:

    For all you citizens of the USA, Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen, Marines and freedom loving peoples everywhere, I wish all of you a Happy Fourth of July.


  23. poohpity says:

    Thank you Steve and thank you to all those who have served or are serving and their families for the sacrifice of your lives for our freedoms that at times we take for granted. You know the cost of that freedom and it is with heartfelt gratitude I say “Thank you”. God please bless America and let more people come to realize the freedom that Jesus gave us through the Cross to love others.

  24. alegria says:

    I too want to thank you Steve, and all those who have given a share of their lives to protect our freedoms in the U.S. We’ve been a blessed nation, and I pray we continue to be.

    Happy July 4th! Pam

  25. Regina says:

    Good Evening All

    HAPPY INDEPENDENCE DAY! :-) I pray all is well in your lives.

    Before I read the intro comment for this blog, I just want to say that I LOVE the picture you chose, Mart!:-) It’s so peaceful and comforting. It brings to mind my insatiable desire for quiet time with the LORD.

    Gonna read the intro comment now…

    Sunny and hot today in Texas (93 degrees right now).

  26. Regina says:

    Mart said, “This ability to think in pairs is essential to our spiritual growth. It’s part of the idea that we have in mind when we describe the difference between giving someone a fish, or showing them how to fish. It’s about synergy, working together, wisdom, and the very nature of our God.”

    When I read this comment, I thought about Mary’s greeting to Elizabeth when she came to visit her:

    Luke 1:39-45, NIV
    39 At that time Mary got ready and hurried to a town in the hill country of Judea, 40 where she entered Zechariah’s home and greeted Elizabeth. 41 When Elizabeth heard Mary’s greeting, the baby leaped in her womb, and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit. 42 In a loud voice she exclaimed: “Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the child you will bear! 43 But why am I so favored, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? 44 As soon as the sound of your greeting reached my ears, the baby in my womb leaped for joy. 45 Blessed is she who has believed that what the Lord has said to her will be accomplished!”

    As we consider famous pairs, Mary & Joseph, Mary & Elizabeth and David & Johnathan came to mind (to name a few), and as I continued to ponder famous pairs in light of Mart’s comment (shared in my comment), I thought about how John, the babe in Elizabeth’s womb (and “the voice of one calling in the desert”) baptized people with water for repentance, and told them about the one who would come after him and baptize them with the Holy Spirit and with fire (Matt.3:3, 11). So, John “gave the people a fish,” but Jesus, the babe in Mary’s womb, “showed people how to fish,” by baptizing them with the Holy Spirit and making them “fishers of men” (Matt.4:18-19).

  27. Regina says:

    Also want to add that there was definitely synergy between John (the Baptist) and Jesus, they worked together to accomplish the will of God and for His glory and honor.

  28. SFDBWV says:

    Thank you Pam for being an adoptive mother, a very special calling.


  29. remarutho says:

    Hello rxman! As I went to the Scriptures this morning, I was haunted by your words awhile back in this conversation:

    “But if who we are is our spirit joining with God’s
    Spirit, then I think our sinful nature has been killed.”

    Isaiah and King Hezekiah strive to bring knowledge of the God of Abraham, Jacob and Isaac to the people of Judah. Reforms are under way. Isaiah says:

    “…it will be the same
    for priest as for people,
    for master as for servant,
    for mistress as for maid,
    for seller as for buyer,
    for borrower as for lender,
    for debtor as for creditor.” (Isaiah 24)

    The Lord calls for grace and truth in every human exchange. All endeavors take place in His presence.
    I tremble to apply this great leveling to my society in this day. Maru

  30. poohpity says:

    Mart, you said, “As we think about the way grace and truth work together, let’s try to see them in both principle, and also in light of personal examples we have seen along the way.”

    I think the reason this is really hard to think about is the “truth” part. This weekend they showed the movie “A Few Good Men” and the haunting part is when JN said, “Truth, truth you can’t handle the truth”. I had to ask myself, “can I really handle the truth about myself?”. Is it easier to look at the shortcomings in others and not see the truth of my own? How many of us would really ask God what David did in Psalm 139:23-24? Would we ask for the truth with out the knowledge of grace and mercy?

  31. poohpity says:

    I do not think that looking at any other pairs are as important as that “Famous Pair” of truth and grace. If we really look at it fully I think we would be slower in name calling, judgment and criticism and understand as much as we are able the full meaning of the Cross which would really humble us in more ways than one.

  32. xrgarza says:

    Jesus = Alpha and Omega

    Love and Mercy = Grace

    The road is wide and the way is narrow

    Mart, did I by what I have posted understand correctly what you were asking for?


  33. poohpity says:

    Law + Forgiveness = God’s nature

    The Bible + Holy Spirit = Revelation or Guidance

  34. poohpity says:

    Justice + Mercy = the Cross

  35. branch says:

    From the Bible and receiving Holy Communion, a pair that do together what neither could do alone comes to mind. At The Passover Meal Jesus took Bread, blessed and broke it and gave it to the disciples saying “This is my body given for you”. Then he took the cup saying “Drink from it for this is my blood which is shed for the remission of sins”.
    Matthew 26: 26-28. On another note,the 4th of July is an occasion to be happy with parades, picnics and freedom to be thankful for.Praise the Lord!

  36. Mart De Haan says:


    Yes, as the conversation shows there are a number of ways to go with this. My thoughts were to be a conversation starter.

    I began thinking about the “chemistry” (i.e. by combination, contrast, comparison, collaboration, or competition) that shows how two need one another to achieve or produce something greater than their combined characteristics.

    Then I started thinking about what grace would look like without justice, and what justice would look like without grace– and then what they achieve together in Christ– for our eternal good and happiness.

  37. remarutho says:

    Good Morning Mart & Friends —

    Mart, you challenged the group with the following:

    “Let’s begin exploring together some of the famous pairs of the Bible by thinking about the implications of a statement that does not simply say that “The Word was full of truth”, or that ‘The Word was full of grace.'”

    The question is most penetrating. The pairing of King Hezekiah and the prophet Isaiah produces sparks. Isaiah saw what the Lord gave him to see. He saw the exile coming at Judah like a freight train. Generations of “grace without truth” had produced a decadent society. Hezekiah loved the Lord — and hoped that religious reformation and social reforms could bring the people out of idolatry. Between chapter 24 and 25 of Isaiah’s writing is a huge leap from the call for truth and justice to the establishment of the kingdom of God. By chapter 26, Isaiah is proclaiming:

    “Your dead shall live, their corpses shall rise. O dwellers in the dust, awake and sing for joy! For your dew is a radiant dew, and the earth willgive birth to those long dead.” (v 19).

    The Word made flesh brings resurrection power to the most abject sinner’s life! “Out of the depths I cry to you, O Lord. Lord hear my voice!” (Psalm 130:1)


  38. SFDBWV says:

    Truman Capote wrote a book titled “In Cold Blood”; it was a true story of two petty thieves who apart from each other were at best just sad pathetic people, but once they got together the catalyst of their combination turned them into cold blooded murderers. They murdered a man his wife and their two children in their Kansas farm house, thinking they had money; I think all they received for their effort was a few dollars and hung for their crime.

    It was the opinion of psychiatrists that these two were incapable of such a heinous crime apart from each other, but the combination of their two personalities created a different nature in them both.

    I can only take this concept to my own experience; I was who I was before I was born anew and received a new combined spirit. What I was incapable of doing before my rebirth I am now capable only because the Holy Spirit in me has made me different.

    From my perspective of the scriptures, this is the same for all of the Prophets; alone they are just people, but when combined with the Holy Spirit, they become a force for God.

    I just want to say I am very disappointed in the verdict for the mother in Florida accused of murdering her 2 year old daughter. It seems the jury, like the mother, can not tell right from wrong.


  39. jon614 says:

    I have thoroughly enjoyed the conversations the past few days on this blog. Regina’s comment on the relationship between John the Baptist and Jesus compared to the analogy of fish and fishermen really gave me pause to think. I think there is a great and full lesson for my teens one of these coming Sundays in that. I think the words seen below this blog under the Our Daily Bread list details our relationship with Jesus: Lost and Found. A pair that fully describes the Christian. Thanks Mart, and bloggers, for the discussion.

  40. poohpity says:

    Steve, I understand your frustration with the trial but this case had only circumstantial evidence and the prosecution has to prove without reasonable doubt that she was guilty and they failed to do that. That is how our legal system works. :-( The comfort I find is that God knows and justice will be done.

    Our desire to walk humbly with the Lord + The Holy Spirit = An abundant life

  41. poohpity says:

    Thinking about that trial I too deserve the death penalty but by God’s grace I have received a pardon.

  42. SFDBWV says:

    Pooh I take it you also disagreed with the verdict also.

    I have been a Judge for almost 40 years and have friends who are both defense attorneys and prosecutors; they will both tell you that all evidence is circumstantial.

    I did not follow this trial as some did, but my experience in life is that innocent people do not have to lie about evidence.

    Yes we all deserve punishment as you have stated, the mercy we have been given from God is because Christ was punished for us, not from a jury of misguided people who declared us to be innocent.

    This woman, in my opinion, murdered her child so she could not be inconvenienced, and now will make millions of dollars for it.

    It is no small wonder that Matt and Glenna and I want out of this world, as it is rife with injustice.

    (This was an unsolicited opinion of its author, and in no way reflects the opinions of others on this blog nor its sponsor, RBC.)


  43. poohpity says:

    I did listen and watched the trial and there was as I watched reasonable doubt for me with the evidence they submitted. The only facts I know for sure is that the little girl was killed, it was not proven how, by whom or when exactly.

    God does have a better and more just opinion of us because he can see our hearts and to Him if we have even anger in our hearts we have committed murder Matthew 5:22. That is why it is so important to understand the truth about ourselves, to God a sin is a sin, and that is a truth that some find hard to except. If we have broken one law we have broken them all and deserve the penalty. If this woman did kill her daughter then I am sure somehow or someway the consequences will happen because nothing is hidden from our God for her and even in our lives as well. Without out grace, mercy and forgiveness we would never humbly understand the truth, justice and the law as seen by our God.

  44. poohpity says:

    I said killed but I meant died.

  45. poohpity says:

    Steve you said you did not watch the trial but yet you render a decision on her guilt? You being a judge would know how difficult that would be without the facts.

  46. SFDBWV says:

    Pooh, God love you I don’t want to argue with you about this, I said that “I did not follow this trial as some did.” Not that I had not seen enough evidence to form an opinion. This is a three year old story, I seen enough evidence long ago to consider this woman guilty of killing her daughter.

    You can not put this issue and grace and forgiveness from God in the same conversation.

    My forgiveness comes first from an admission of guilt from me and then a request to be forgiven, from God.

    This woman is lying to you and everyone who she thinks will believer her. She has not asked forgiveness from anyone.


  47. pegramsdell says:

    Born again and filled with The Holy Spirit! :)

  48. poohpity says:

    How was what I said arguing? Or was it stating my opinion and asking for clarification from you on what you said so that I could understand where you were coming from? Discussion is very different from arguing. I’m bad for even going off topic knowing what usually happens anyway. Forgive me I was wrong for even talking about another subject.

    Back on the topic.

    Sin + The blood of the Lamb = Justification
    Alienation from God + The blood of the Lamb = adoption as a child of God, restoration, redemption and reconciliation

  49. petros says:

    The topic, famous pairs in the bible makes me think of Cain & Abel. I’m Thinking about how in times past, when I’ve taken occasion to be reading through Genesis and I come to Genesis 4:13-24, regarding God’s pronouncement of the punishment upon Cain for killing his brother, and the subsequent narrative, of Cain’s life and progeny as it followed for 5 or so generations, I have often skipped over this section.

    I guess it might be that as Paul said in Romans 2:4, I was despising the richness of God’s mercy. In spite of what appears to be a most heinous crime; of one family member shedding the innocent blood of another trusting family member. God had taken the time to shed his grace and mercy upon Cain’s family, allowing for a new beginning and giving them all an improved place in His story.

    Now I pause to think of, and pray for, another family that has been forever changed by a similar tragedy, and thinking, “what work might GOD do in these circumstances?”


  50. remarutho says:

    Hello Petros!

    Cain and Abraham – the mark of Cain/the mark of covenant
    The healing mark (or the warning mark) the Lord placed upon Cain must surely be the mark of the pre-existing, the eternal Christ. To your question,“what work might GOD do in these circumstances?” I offer that both Cain and Abraham (the man of faith) were born into the world before God gave the Law. Abraham received the mark of the covenant of the Law (circumcision) after he
    had “believed God and it was reckoned to him as righteousness.” Cain bore his mark, whatever it was, by God’s sovereign will.

    God is free — and all that God chooses to do is righteous. We are not in a position to judge. Galatians 3:6-18 contains Paul’s remarkable reasoning on law and faith. The crux of the passage for me is v 13: “Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us — for it is written, ‘Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree’ — in order that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.” The only explanation for me for the “mark of Cain” is God’s unlimited lovingkindness. The Scripture does not say that Cain “believed God” as Abraham did. I conclude from his merciful treatment that the Lord extended his forgiveness directly to him and released him to go to the land of Nod. The family who recently lost a loved one now bear the burden of forgiving, according to the judgment under law. Our society has precious few examples of this. Our tendency to swiftly and completely condemn is legendary. The Lord will always have the last word.

    Peace be with you also,

  51. bubbles says:



    God’s silence/God speaks

    I realize no one will be completely “matured” until we are in Heaven.

    What it has always been said is if one is spiritually grown up to an extent, they will choose to do what God says, and put aside their wants. Our wants should be God’s wants. I have tried to do what He says in His Word.When He says No to something, I’ve said no. There are some things that are not sin, and are unnecessary for survival. Should we want ONLY food, water, shelter, and enough clothes to keep us healthy?
    Material things do not bring deep happiness. This is not about “stuff”.

    Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. All right. . . I always understood this to be spiritual–looking forward to Heaven/what was to come when we were with Jesus–past the here and now.

    But, what about the here and now? Must it be so desolate and lonely of a place?Does God give each of His children something they are to bear here? Something that will not be answered or given here no matter how much we ask? I realize God says no. But no for 28 years? Yes, I try hard every day to be content and not complain. I try hard to be thankful for what I am blessed with.

    I am ashamed to say this, but I am weary of God’s silence. I don’t understand. What if He is silent for the rest of my life? What am I to do?

    Hope deferred makes a heart sick, Proverbs says. My heart is broken this morning, and I am alone. I believe I bruised or cracked a rib awhile back. That was pain like I have never felt before. This hurts worse than that pain. I have prayed until I cannot pray any longer about this. It does not seem to work. If I could know or at least understand a little, it would help. Why does God want us to be alone? I have tried to do the right thing to please God because I love Him and I fear Him. I do not understand. I realize God does not owe me or anyone anything. We owe Him everything for what He has done for us.

    But, is this all there is?

  52. xrgarza says:

    Thank you Mart,

    As I was reading your response I thought of another one, this one is one of my values.

    One will put a 1000 to flight,
    Two will put Ten Thousand to flight

  53. bubbles says:


  54. bubbles says:

    that is evident but too late apparently

  55. foreverblessed says:

    Dear Bubbles, I read your cry for answers, and I pray for you, that your faith in Jesus will stay as a Rock. He is our Companion forever and ever, if only we do not give up on our faith in Him.
    Hold on, dear sister, to Him, He will give you the desires of your heart, but never too early.

  56. bubbles says:

    Oh, I know, foreverblessed, He is our companion. But when every weekend, every night, every holiday are going to be empty, words like that bring little comfort.

    I am just tired of there being no answers for years on end.

  57. pegramsdell says:

    love you kathy my friend. so much. one day we will see each other and have a cup of coffee together and laugh and cry and hug and praise God. can’t wait for that day!

  58. pegramsdell says:

    love your pairs rocky. where two are gathered together in My Name, I will be there in the midst.

  59. royalpalm says:


    Thanks for sharing your concern and anxiety. We love you. Here at BTA your posts are precious to us. So please consider yourself not alone but part of a family that is just a “mouse” away. I too am praying for you.

    I have not posted much… for the last 5 months my husband and I have been renovating a 100+ yr.old house. I hurt my arm breaking plaster and lath/pulling nails, etc. and h

  60. royalpalm says:

    Sorry, I tripped… :)

    have been on physio…In 1981,I left all my family to work in Africa for 4 yrs.- not knowing anybody there. God’s grace and mercy had protected and taken care of me. I know our heavenly Father knows your every tear and He cares for you.

  61. bubbles says:

    My mind knows that but my heart is not feeling it today.

  62. pegramsdell says:

    I hear you bubbles, I go through the same thing from time to time. it’s weird, cause you know all of these things your friends are telling you are true, but you just don’t feel it. this will pass, it usually does. love you. we have a kindred spirit you and I.

  63. poohpity says:

    I go through those times too!! Know that you are not alone in your struggles there are many of us who walk along side you because we know the pain you are going through. We weep with you and our souls moan for understanding but our spirit is kept strong through the knowing that God is in control with our best interest in mind.

  64. Regina says:

    Good Afternoon All,

    So glad my comment was a blessing to you, jon614 (
    July 6, 2011 at 10:20 am)! :-) I was blessed to hear phenomenal teaching at Bible study last night! I’m so grateful to be a daughter in the family of God.

    Sunny and hot in Texas today (102 degrees right now).

  65. Regina says:

    Steve, I also read Truman Capote’s book, In Cold Blood. I saw the movie too, and I felt sad for that innocent family. Was thinking that those men who murdered that family more than likely didn’t know the LORD. Hopefully, they repented of their sins before they died. If not, they’re going to have the blood of four innocent family members on their hands. Also read (or heard tell) that their were two other sisters in the (Clutter?) family who were away at College or no longer living in the house.

    I usually don’t read books with unhappy endings, but I was drawn to that story for some reason.

  66. Regina says:

    I was feeling depressed yesterday too, bubbles. I felt like all of my spiritual strength was being sapped out of me, and I couldn’t stop crying. But I knew I had Bible study last night, and I couldn’t wait to get there because I knew that I was going to be encouraged and strengthened by the Word and the worship of our LORD with other saints. Well, I’m happy to say that I was not disappointed! God spoke to my very situation through my Pastor, and I may be a little biased but I believe I attend the BEST CHURCH IN THE WORLD! It’s definitely a spiritual hospital where the hurting and broken come to receive spiritual healing from our LORD. Be encouraged, dear bubbles, God has not forgotten you! He knows exactly how you’re feeling right now. :-)

  67. foreverblessed says:

    Sorry Bubbles for these words, if they are only words they have no meaning. I pray that Jesus will make them alive in your heart.
    If Jesus is not alive, the whole bible has no meaning, nothing, just words.

    Jesus and the Word another pair.

    Lately I realise more and more, that when we eat the Lords Supper, we eat Him, the Word, something happens to us, we are strengthened spiritually. Also when we drink the wine, we remember that Jesus blood cleans us from our sins, a miracle happens every time.

  68. bubbles says:

    No, I disagree. When we have the Lord’s Supper, we are eating yeastless bread. We are not eating flesh. The bread reminds us of His broken body. It is a symbol. When we break the bread, we are doing something to remind us that His body was broken for us. The yeastless bread reminds us Jesus was sinless.

    A miracle happens every time??? What did you mean by that?

    It has been over three months since we wrote this, and still nothing makes sense. I am weary of being hurt.

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