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More than Ten Suggestions

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Down through the years some of us  have pointed out that God didn’t give Moses The Ten Suggestions.

With similar conviction we rightly recognize the importance of being obedient to God.

Many have also observed that the only real solution for the world will come in a day when God’s Messiah rules the world with a rod of iron (Rev 2:27).

So, let’s think about this, together. When we pray, as part of “The Lord’s Prayer”, …”Your kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven…” (Matt 6:10),  do we assume that the kingdom of God is primarily a matter of bowing to the power and authority of God?

My guess is that most of us would agree that no one deserves to be obeyed more than God. But do we mean then that obedience is the best we can give to him? Do we step up to the highest ground of his kingdom when we agree to do what he tells us to do?

Here’s why I’m pressing the question. The Hebrew and Greek words that are often translated “obey” in the Bible have a first meaning of “to hear, or to listen.” In fact, when Moses writes, “Hear O Israel, the LORD our God is one LORD (Deut 6:4), the word “Hear” is the word which is also translated “obey”.

I’m convinced that God isn’t just saying “obey me”.  Rather he is first saying, “Listen to me. Give me your attention.” “Do you hear and sense how much I love you?” Such words go very well with, “Come, let us reason together says the LORD” (Isa 1:18).

For those who belong to Christ, his kingdom is not primarily about power, authority, and order. It is first of all a kingdom of the heart– an ordering of thoughts that are gratefully true to the care he has shown for us.

What friendship or marriage would work if the ultimate issue always came down to “just tell me what you want me to do”?

Your thoughts?

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60 Responses to “More than Ten Suggestions”

  1. poohpity says:

    I have often thought about that Mart. How would we have known Jesus to be the Messiah if He did not fulfill the Law and by showing us how to love our neighbor. Just to think we have that same Spirit within us to be able to live that out and no rules will I ever be able to make us right with God but to show us how much we will fall short. To recognize we owe it all to Christ and to live out that gratefulness by by loving others as I would love myself.

    I am so glad you guys are alright there, Steve, also that the earthquake did not harm any people all over there in the east.

  2. 1inhim says:

    The word submission to me means “caving in”, “relinquishing control” or just “giving up”. Now don’t get me wrong I understand the rule of law and its reasoning but obedience is different for me than submission. Submission to me is “forced”, not requested.

    I willingly submit to the Lordship of Christ in my life; but that came as He asked me if I wanted to be “saved”. Yes, He knew my answer before hand, but the moment to choose was mine, and I knew it.

    So many of us get “caught-up” the laws and trying to “obey” it that we miss the simple answer in Galatians 5:22-23 “there are NO laws against doing good” only laws against doing hurtful things to ourselves or others; and why would you want to do that?

  3. foreverblessed says:

    No law against doing good! SO if we focus on God, and ask for His Life, and Love, we do not need to worry that we break the law, not stealing, not cheating, not murdering.
    i Timothy 1:7-8
    We need to use the law properly,
    the function of the law is to bring us to Christ, when we are His, the law has no function anymore.
    That is only the case if we have killed our old human nature. If we haven’t then comes 1 Timothy 1:8 in the picture again.
    Till we return to the Shepherd of our souls again: close to Jesus.
    We need to obey God, not in fear, but in love. We love Him because He first loved us. It is like a good marriage, when you love each other, you need not a law that tells you not to cheat, because you don’t want to.

    But we want to follow Christ, and He shows us where to go, and what to do, and we follow, another word for:obey.

  4. foreverblessed says:

    I meant 1 Timothy 1:9 for proper use of the law,
    more of that:
    Romans 3:20
    Romans 7:4
    Romans 8:2
    Romans 8:3 Jesus is the Power of God, that can work in us, if we yield to Him, willingly and lovingly, and happy.

  5. remarutho says:

    Hello Mart!

    Oh how our human hearts avoid the condition of “having to” do something!

    You wrote: “wouldn’t it be a mistake to think that a law that finds fullness of meaning in Jesus (Matt 5:17-18) and in loving our neighbor as ourselves (Gal 5:14) is primarily about submitting to the authority, power, and rule of God?”

    What comes to mind is the prophecy of Ezekiel — that is, the word of the Lord: “And I will give them one heart, and a new spirit I will put within them. I will remove the heart of stone from their flesh and give them a heart of flesh, that they may walk in my statutes and keep my rules and obey them.” (Ezekiel 11:19-20)

    It seems to me the issue Jesus had with the temple leaders in his day was that hardness of heart Ezekiel talked about — that sense of privilege and ownership and authority. Entrenched religious leadership engaged in rebellion of heart in the 1st century, even as they tithed their “mint and rue and herbs of all kinds, meanwhile neglecting justice and the love of God…” (Luke 11:42)

    A disciple of Jesus, it seems, would always apply the cutting edge of the law to him/herself first — so that his/her life bears the mark of divine justice. Jesus led by rendering his body to the sinful people around him. Then, he offered the ultimate sacrifice to buy us back from destruction. He did not teach by intellectual lecturing. He taught by healing and deliverance and miracles — and finally by pouring out his lifeblood upon the hard hearted.


  6. royalpalm says:

    Hello, Mart and BTA friends,

    One of the most memorable declarations that Jesus made before His death is that just as His Father loved Him He also loved His disciples and for them to remain in His love. The proof of the disciples’ love is in their obedience to His commands. (John 15: 9, 10) He likewise talked of a friendship that loves enough to die for another; and friendship with Jesus is displayed through obedience to His commands. (John 15:13, 14)

    I believe that, as Jesus taught, obedience is a primary component of faith and love for God. Obedience involves
    submission to God’s authority, power, and rule and pleases God more than sacrifice as Samuel pointed out to Saul who mistakenly assumed that his “offerings and sacrifices” would be acceptable to God after he disobeyed Him. 1 Sam 15:18, 19

    Like Saul, we too, have a tendency to give “offerings and sacrifices” to God in forms of tithes, works, etc. to appease our guilty conscience due to disobedience. It is good to remember what God said through 1 Sam. 15:22,23

    “Has the LORD as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to heed than the fat of rams. For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. “

  7. royalpalm says:

    Another aspect of our love for God is our worship of Him. This we do through songs, praises, testimonies, etc. but to “worship” actually means, to “bow down”. To worship God is to bow down to Hs will, recognizing and
    acknowledging that His will is the best. It involves humility, surrender/submission and faith.

    The first mention of “worship” in the Bible is when Abraham on his way to sacrifice Isaac, the son whom he loved,in obedience to God, told his servants to stay behind because he and Isaac were going to “worship” the Lord. (Gen. 22:5) Jesus displayed the ultimate act of worship when He “bowed His head” and gave up His Spirit after He cried out, “It is finished” John 19:30.

    In the same way, love for God without worship is not complete.

  8. oneg2dblu says:

    Good morning all… how often we split the hairs of the meanings of words, the great numbers of interpretation,
    then try to assume we can solve the never ending questions we all have, through the answers we each bring.We are constantly caught up in the cunundrum of words and their useage. We stumble each other at times, with complaints of being out of context, when words are all we have here, why not express them as we wish?
    If we take the dictionary as our rule, we come away with a worldly explanation, but if we take God as Our Ruler, we come away with His Power in our words.
    So, I present the following scriptures to give meaning to the word, Obey. Psalm 119 39-52 which I just read from the Living Bible. Its useage here, I find complete and self-explanitory for me. If I were to say, “He who had ears to Obey,” it sounds unfitting, even for a PUN. Gary

  9. poohpity says:

    Mart, I think for some the connection between their heart and mind has been severed and it could be for many reasons. Understanding that anything that we know and understand of God requires due diligence of all three, heart, mind and spirit. No relationship works with only the mind for understanding, reasoning and obedience. A fuller understanding only comes when the heart and soul are included in the equation. To know God I believe we have to experience the intimacy of our whole being. It can not just be a head knowledge without the heart or the heart without the spirit they all have to be present for that closeness that God desires with us.

  10. poohpity says:

    Gary, words are very important they have the ability when used appropriately to build others up or be used to tear people down. They can be misunderstood when the meaning is unknown or taken out of context and misapplied. The bible is full of words if it is read in part and not in whole, people over many centuries have used it to bring about all kinds of false teaching and horrible pain into peoples lives and have also pushed many people away from the Cross because of lack of understanding. If your hairs are splitting over words you might try a different shampoo. :-)

  11. royalpalm says:

    Hello, Gary,
    As you said, words can have very many meanings, that is why it is important to know the context of its usage. In the Scriptures esp. OT “worship” is always associated with “bowing down” a reflection of the custom in the Middle East of showing homage, reverence and respect.

  12. oneg2dblu says:

    pooh… very cute reply ending, but your main text is very right on about the heart and mind and soul all connected, just a the entire bible context is connected, but unfortunately, we cannot quote the entire bible for every point we want to make. My lame attempt today was only focused on the word “Obey.” It may have a duplicity of meanings according to who, what, where, and when, but its most defined for me, in the context of those who might ingnore its rooted connection to other words, by losing our souls through abject Disobedience and Unbelief.
    You can Believe with all your mind’s understanding, your hearts feelings, and you ears hearing ability, but if you Fail to Obey what the word says, then Disobedience, which proves ones Unbelief, is what will devour your very Soul.
    Satan loves those who are helplessly addicted, to never changing one’s inclinations, and only seeking approval for remaining in helpless sinful desire.
    To me every fisherman Christ called, and everyone He encountered, changed, accept those who could not “Obey” Him. If nothing changes?… Shampoo is for the head, I personally use body wash, because it all seems so connected! :) Gary

  13. poohpity says:

    So Gary what happens when you fail to be obedient to every word that you are instructed to obey? If you say you do then I would question that but often you say others aren’t either? Are we to live as you expect us to or are we to live under the Grace of God?

  14. poohpity says:

    If we have some knowledge of the whole bible then we will learn that there are certain things that can not be taken out of context because it then clouds the meaning in which it was intended.

  15. florida7sun says:

    In speaking to my Father in Heaven I know He has my best interests at heart. I desire to obey Him out of love and admiration for the gift of His Son.

    The Ten Commandments are not burdensome but reflect our sinful nature since the fall of man. They consistently draw me back to His Word. As a believer in the atoning work of my Lord and Savior, He is still not finished with me. Each day He lovingly chips away and polishes that which is not pleasing to Him. I am a better person for His faithfulness, and the foundation for all His commandments is love.

    There are ten other commandments that the world embraces. They are the exact opposite of those handed down to Moses. Their foundation is hate. They lead to sorrow and death. Open any newspaper, turn on the TV… the deadly consequences of greed, lust, envy, ad naseum
    play out on a daily basis.

    Without the Lord’s Spirit and His loving commandments, we would literally have hell on earth. Each day Satan reveals more of his intention for man.

    So it is. A choice made in the Garden is the choice offered to us today: life or death. Spiritual warfare is very real. It exists all around us.

    Two trees; two sets of commandments; two thieves hanging with Jesus atop Golgotha; a fork in the road that takes travelers down one of two selected paths…

    John 3:16 is so important in coming to an understanding of the Way and the importance of obeying His Word out respect and thanksgiving for His shed blood.

    The Lord’s commandments are not burdensome. They draw me closer and closer to Him, and that’s where I need to be.

  16. poohpity says:

    But if God knew in His infinite wisdom that we would not be able to follow those laws and they were indeed intended to point us to the only One who could follow them explicitly then that gives us something to be very, very grateful for. In that gratefulness we do not hold others or ourselves to those high standards that is when we can start showing that great mercy to others and have a heart that is set on caring for others with the same care we have been shown. To not recognize that we do not follow all those laws even though we may want to would be putting ourselves in either a place of the pharisees who boasted in their self righteousness or having a contrite and broken spirit which points us to look up to God and the amazing work of the Cross. Which do you choose? I choose to look at the Cross and Jesus trusting in it’s redeeming work.

  17. poohpity says:

    Romans 3:19-20; Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God. 20 Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin. The law held us captive Romans 7:6; But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.

  18. florida7sun says:

    “For God was pleased to have all His fullness dwell in Him, and through Him to reconcile to Himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.” – Colossians 1:19-20

    “I boast not of works or tell of good deeds,
    For naught have I done to merit His grace;
    All glory and praise shall rest upon Him,
    So willing to die in my place.

    “I will glory in the cross, in the cross,
    Lest His suffering all be in vain;
    I will weep no more for the cross that He bore,
    But I will glory in the cross.”

    – I Will Glory in the Cross

  19. bill34sl says:

    When God gave Moses the Ten Commandments (sorry,to me they’re not suggestions),He was just formalizing to His chosen people what has long been His Standards. These set of Laws reflect His character and nature. Many times over He reiterated to His people thru the prophets and even angels the importance of abiding by these Laws. He promised them deliverance from their enemies if they listen and obey His voice. The exact opposite happens when they don’t. The books of Judges, Samuel and Kings are full of accounts of how Israel repeatedly disobeyed God and each time was trampled upon by the nations round about them.
    Hundreds of years later when Jesus Christ expounded these same statutes beyond what their letters say, they become even harder than ever. Just being angry with someone for petty reasons is counted as murder. Looking at a woman with lust is commiting adultery. What then? Are we helpless? Indeed we are by ourselves. That’s the very reason why we need a savior. Somebody has to bail us out from the penalty of violating these Laws – which is of course death. When we say that Jesus is the fulfillment of the Law and the Prophets, He not only paid the penalty of our transgressions but also carried out the obedience to these Laws in our stead. Because to men it is impossible but to God everything is possible.
    This is nowhere near a “one way street” where God often make demands and gets what He wants. He actually supplies to His own “demands” when we cannot do it and all we have to do is to believe with all our heart to the One He supplied and we get the rewards too. So it is not always “just tell me what you want me to do”, but also “give me the desires of my heart after I did it”.

  20. remarutho says:

    Hello Mart & Friends —

    I have been thinking about the character of the Presence of God in us through Christ today as I have gone about my day.

    You wrote:
    “For those who belong to Christ, his kingdom is not primarily about power, authority, and order. It is first of all a kingdom of the heart– an ordering of thoughts that are gratefully true to the care he has shown for us.”

    I am wondering whether it is merely thoughts that are ordered by the Presence of God — Emmanuel. It seems to me the very steps we take — the directions we walk — the activities we engage in — the words we speak — the dreams we dream — are shaped by this Savior to whom all authority has been given. He wins us by his great love. He also has “all authority in heaven and on earth.”

    Something immense and mysterious is going on here! His Presence changes everything. Generosity invades the greedy — kindness supplants hard-heartedness — love displaces hatred. He does not “just tell me what to do,” but rather fills me up with himself. Apparently, there is no end to the transformation that comes in the Presence of Jesus Christ.

    In Him,

  21. foreverblessed says:

    amen bill34sl, and Maru, how beautiful you put it.
    It is a relation with Jesus we have, He loves us, we love Him.
    And so we built a house on the rock, Matthew 7:24
    The “God at eventide” of august 25 (by twolisteners), talks about it. Jesus truth’s are like bricks, we receive them, but they become a heap of bricks if we do not live them. If we do them, the obedience is the mortar, by which the Truth is retained become a house that is being built, and the Spirit can live in the house, our heart, His Temple.
    So every truth that Jesus gives us must be lived out.

    So Jesus lives in us through the Holy Spirit, bu we must make a home, for Him. It is a two-way.

    Just to add some personal things: What is it that Jesus has told me lately? I was meditating on these things this morning.
    Matthew 6:25 my treasure is Jesus, “look to Me” so I open my eyes in the morning and look to Him. I now see, that it is then that His life flows through me, it is a miracle, as Maru wrote.
    Matthew 6:20,19 not to worry, which I am inclined to do.
    Ask for more faith: James 1:6
    Be joyful, even in sickness Philipians 4:4, that took me some years to work out. With the migraine. It is going better now, thank God, thanks for your prayers. God be praised.

  22. SFDBWV says:

    It is one of those problems when I get a little behind on the BTA everyone so adequately states the sense of what the subject reveals. What else can I say to add to the matter?

    In joining in the choir of voices let me address the comment from Mart;
    “But do we mean then that obedience is the best we can give to honor Him? Do we step up to the highest ground of His Kingdom when we agree to do what He tells us?”

    Why is obeying God so important? Is it because He is God and has set in place what is allowed and what is not?

    Or is there a much deeper and more permanent reason behind it?

    Where does it all begin? First we must acknowledge that there is a God. Why?

    Could it be so that we begin to understand that we are not the center of existence, and that all events are not centered on us?

    Are all of His commandments in place to make us afraid of being punished if we disobey?

    Or are they in place in order to give us a better life and a better life for those around us?

    Some have already recognized the understanding that God wants us to have a heart for automatically doing what is right, without thought of whether it is a law or not.

    I have not lived as long as some nor do I possess the knowledge of how societies in the past thought, but it seems to me that without order there is chaos and no society can function in chaos,there must be order.

    In God’s Kingdom the order He expresses are given as commandments to a people who only understand the iron fist of control. Once that same people have a heart for exhibiting the Kingdom order, they no longer need it to be a commandment but rather a normal way of life.

    This transformation comes by having the Spirit of God joined with our own spirits as we become one, just as Jesus prayed for us to be one as He and the Father are.

    Until sin is chained away, we all have a battle against the full and complete transformation of becoming one in Christ in perfect harmony with God and how we are to think. For our actions come first as thoughts.

    What would happen today if the state put up speed suggestions instead of limits?

    What would happen in today’s society if instead of laws in place to protect the lives and safety of citizens we only had suggestions?

    Life without consequence…..exactly what Satan wants.


  23. oneg2dblu says:

    foreverblessed… I like your simplicity of truth,
    Obedience is the Mortar, and without it we are but a Pile of Bricks. I would only embelish it by saying, maybe even Well Informed, Church Going Bricks, but still Useless Bricks, without this Obedience.
    You could totally ignore those, so impossible to do, Ten Commandments, why even try, but what have you learned from Christ in so doing?
    You’ve never allowed Him to change you, you’ve only taken Him for a ride. Haven’t you shown the world around you, that you made Him go to His Death on a Cross, so you could become a pile of useless bricks,
    Saved in His Name?
    Salvation alone, with Obedience ignored, is a Life wasted. Actually many lives wasted in doing life by that way of Salvation….
    Salvation, Santification, and Service, is the real message of Following the Most Holy of Servants, Our Lord Jesus Christ.
    He was no pile of useless bricks, He was Obedient, and through the Power of the Holy Spirit given Him by His Father, did He live both Undefeated and Overcoming, even this World! Come Lord Jesus into your useless pile of bricks today, give each one the Power to Overcome, the Power to be Obedient, and the Power to see the current value in those Ten Commandments that show us our current sin, that sin we embrace as ours, claiming we just can’t do it Your Way!
    Those Ten Commandments are given for us today, none have been taken away, all apply to each, and all give us
    His Divine Plan of Perfection through Him, if He becomes your Potter, and we become His Clay.
    Be Blessed, Gary

  24. foreverblessed says:

    Steve, you did add a lot,
    oneg2dblu, they were not my words, I just repeated them. It is not only about the 10 commandments, they are the beginning, it is about following Jesus, the Sermon on the Mount, all of His Words.
    We could try to follow the 10 commandments by ourselves, but the sermon on the mount is absolute impossible without Jesus living in us, Him doing it through us. With a heart that is made tender, (circumcision of the heart) Romans 2:29. God wants real children, who have the same heart as He has, changed by grace at the Cross. He wants a relation with us.

  25. oneg2dblu says:

    foreverblessed… sorry I had not read all the comments before posting my reply. Yes, following Christ and all His Words, and not just keeping the list of ten, is what it is all about. Following His actions might not be so bad either! You can quote me on that! :)

  26. Regina says:

    Good Morning All,

    Hope all is well with you.
    Mart asked, “When we pray, as part of “The Lord’s Prayer”, …”Your kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven…” (Matt 6:10), do we assume that the kingdom of God is primarily a matter of bowing to the power and authority of God?

    My guess is that most of us would agree that no one deserves to be obeyed more than God. But do we mean then that obedience is the best we can give to our *honor him? Do we step up to the highest ground of his kingdom when we agree to do what he tells us to do?”

    I want to focus on the last question. My answer would be “no” to that question. Just doing what He told us to do without *love* in our hearts for Him and our fellowman would not represent the “highest ground” of God’s kingdom. The LORD told us that people would know that we are His disciples if we *love* our brothers/sisters in Christ, if we *love* Him with all of our mind, soul and strength, if we *love* our neighbor as we love ourselves, etc.
    1 Cor. 13:1-3 come to mind, “If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames, but have not love, I gain nothing” (NIV).

    People who just agree to do what God tells them to do could be following His commands with wrong motives in their hearts. They could have a form of godliness, but inwardly reject the power of God to change their hearts/minds. I think we step up to the highest ground of God’s kingdom when we understand that *love* is the chief cornerstone of our relationship with God and mankind.

  27. oneg2dblu says:

    pooh…to apply the “context only” rule as you have stated, as to not to cloud the meaning for which it was intended, means that first everyone must grasp the full meaning of the Word of God, or the Mind of God, before we ever use the Word of God, but only in certain things?
    If that was possible for all mankind to be on the same page at the same time presenting the same thoughts to convey the same mesaning, then there would only be one supreme translation of the word needed. In the perfect word that would be perfect. But, and there is always a but… what certain things do you speak of? How about the context of the Doctine of Eternal Security? Would that qualify as a clouded doctrine? Who decides what is certain, or what is desired as being certain? Surely it is not man! We are so like Peter at the table of the last supper, sometimes we want our whole body washed… until Christ redefines our context, we always ask for too much. Not meant to offend, just quantify! I’ll check for all my mistakes after posting. :) Gary

  28. poohpity says:

    I really do not understand what you are asking Gary. So many questions about so many different areas to confusing for me to even try to answer even if I knew the answers which most of the time I do not.

    Mart, I just get bowled over by thinking about what you said, “I’m convinced that God isn’t just saying “obey me”. Rather he is first saying, “Listen to me. Give me your attention.” “Do you hear and sense how much I love you?”. To know and sense that kind of love and care would soften anyone’s heart. To give that much attention to the Lord to see His hand and heart in everything would totally give us the sense of resting in His total care it would then come pouring out of every area of our lives. I think the problems come we we do not realize how all encompassing that kind of love is when we depend on our understanding and what we think that may look like.

  29. scout1 says:


    I really loved your comments! Thank you. Hearing is one thing -but -LISTENING is another. . .


  30. tracey5tgbtg says:

    Regina – I appreciate your comment. You took the thoughts right out of my head, even including the verse from 1 Cor 13.

    Pooh – I agree with what you are saying as well. I don’t think it is possible to truly grasp the love of God and how encompassing it is.

    I think obedience without love is pretty hollow. What would it be like if my children obeyed everything I told them but didn’t love me?

    I love God and I know He loves me, but that doesn’t mean I think the ten commandments or any of God’s laws can be set aside. Because I love God, I want to obey Him. I want to follow His will and go where He leads me.

  31. foreverblessed says:

    So it is all about love, us realising more and more how much God loves us, when we listen to GOd, and realy grasp what He is saying to us
    read this morning: 1 John 4:7
    The proof of being born of God is if we love one another.
    Someone had this problem, I forgot who it was here, that she had to speak in tongues in order to be able to have a duty in church. You could come up with this verse.

  32. oneg2dblu says:

    tracey… you asked what would it be like if my children obeyed everything I asked, but didn’t love me.
    It would be like ignoring the words of Christ, when He states in Matthew 22:37 “Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.”
    I guess we shouldn’t really ever put aside those Ten Commandments, and certainly not the first and greatest one. For the Wisdom in those words, must be both Heard and Obeyed, every day, if you want to be a true Christ Follower.
    So, I would never recommend we try to put aside the Commandments of God, claiming that loving Him supersedes any Obedience to Him. Sounds like dangerous thinking to me, because we love Him, we also can choose to be outside, or not Under the Commands of His Law, and still be Following Him! The Law is His Love, and every kept commandment re-enforces it even more. I may be called legalistic and not loving by some, for my rigid views presented here, but those Ten Commandments are well worth keeping, if we love Him as we claim.
    Could you imagine if Adam or Eve, kept just one commandment, although they clearly loved God, they also violated His Word, and never came to Him in Repentance asking to be forgiven. Just been thinking about that… Gary

  33. oneg2dblu says:

    pooh… nor do I understand what you’ve asked of me.
    But, God knows our hearts are for Him, and keeping it in that context, is all that really matters! Gary

  34. karolewithak says:

    Oneg2dblu, Jesus is THE Word, not A Word. If He came to fulfill every jot and tittle, then every one of them is important. How can we handle the Word correctly if we don’t know what the words mean (2 Tim 2:15)? Like little children, in Christ we are always learning, refining, readjusting our understanding as we study, listen to the Spirit and mature spiritually. It’s God’s grace and mercy that keeps us from being totally overwhelmed by the magnitude of Scripture. If we came to Christ and had all of those jots and tittles given to us immediately, our circuits would melt. If the Lord couldn’t use us before we understood all of it, He’d never be able to. Iron sharpens iron.

    We only have to listen to men to learn the rules of the LETTER of the law: the Holy Spirit doesn’t have to be involved at all. Lots of lost folks who don’t know Jesus are “good” people who love and serve others, don’t bear false witness, cheat, steal, murder, commit adultery or covet. Before his conversion, Paul said that as for legalistic righteousness, he was blameless (Phil 3:6).

    It is, however, impossible to live the SPIRIT of the law without the Holy Spirit. To do that, we have to listen, hear and obey. We can listen and not hear and hear and not obey, but to continue to be transformed to the Lord’s likeness, we must do all three. May God help us all.

    Your sister in Christ,

  35. SFDBWV says:

    Prayers for the people of Vermont and all thoes affected by Irene.


  36. 1inhim says:

    The more I read scripture the more I realize how gracious God is to me. I also see in scripture how unlovely “man” is in the light of God’s perfect Holiness. It is God alone and His great love for me that save’s and keep’s me from utter destruction.

    Even now as a child of God what could I possibly do for Him? Even my “duty” is not pure from selfishness. Only His great mercy and grace keeps my feet steady as I learn to walk with Him.

    It is Him and Him alone that works in us to do His will.

  37. BruceC says:

    Just wanted to butt in and gives thanks and praise to the Lord. We only had to endure about 30 hours without electric from Irene. Many others south and east of us suffered immensely. Please pray for them. Most of our county was without power except for two key areas which have the most important stores. Our home and car are okay as well as our pets. But I wept when I saw the devastation in other areas of upstate NY.
    Please hold them up in prayer as well as those in all areas hit hard by Irene.

    Soli Deo Gloria!

  38. bep77 says:

    I have never commented but I read, think & share this blog w/family often. Just now getting to read this day’s blog. I did not know the Hebrew meaning. So much going thru my head right now. Thank you for this insight. your paragraph I’m convinced that God isn’t just saying “obey me”. Rather he is first saying, “Listen to me. Give me your attention.” “Do you hear and sense how much I love you?” Such words go very well with, “Come, let us reason together says the LORD” (Isa 1:18).reminds me of the book “He Loves Me!” by Wayne Jacobsen. Thank you again for this, I can’t wait to share it w/my family. O,how often I’ve felt a failure because I know I can’t totally obey but wish to please Him. It makes so much sense! I hear (& I believe it was addressed on here once)about God being the strict, mean God in the OT and it never set well w/me but I didn’t know how to respond to people (& I’ve been in discussions about it w/others) That translation makes so much sense! Again, thank you.

  39. oneg2dblu says:

    Karole… to what you said, I say Amen!
    Without the Holy Spirit, all those words are dead to us, and useless for us. Gary

  40. oneg2dblu says:

    Lots of lost and good people out there, I agree. But, Good people don’t go to Heaven, only Forgiven people do!
    Lots of good church goers out there as well, but only the Forgiven church goers are going there!
    What makes some Forgiven and others not? I’ll put it in one word, Christ! Christ Alone! Believing in Christ enough to ask Him to forgive you, is the Only Way to Heaven. Only by Faith that is freely given, can we even Ask, and only by His Grace, are We Forgiven! Gary

  41. poohpity says:

    Mart, hoping all is well with you. You have been missed and are in my prayers. Deb

  42. remarutho says:

    Good Morning Mart!

    Hope you are flourishing and filled with the joy of the Lord, whatever the circumstances are! Like Poohpity, I am praying for your safe-keeping.


  43. BruceC says:


    Excellent point! Years ago I asked a brother in Christ what he thought to be the single biggest difference between believers and non-believers. He answered the same way. We are forgiven!
    I have never forgotten that. No matter how “good’ a person seems they will never enter into God’s Kingdom and be with Him with out faith in Christ. Too bad that today some ‘liberal churches” are espousing Jesus as one of several “paths” to God. So they are actually saying he is a liar. I pray they repent and come to the one and only Saviour!

    Soli Deo Gloria!

  44. rxman says:


    When you say we need to still keep all the commandments did you mean ALL? Just wondering if you keep the Sabbath holy? Do you go to church on Saturday? Just asking.

  45. poohpity says:

    I think that has been an issue for believers for a long time whether to live under the law or under grace. It seems that after believers are forgiven they turn around and start to live under the law, holding themselves and others to such high standards everyone is bound to fail. I think that some people get caught up in trying to earn what they have been so freely given. Working out one’s salvation has a different meaning when you really consider what our salvation was in the first place and that was unmerited and a undeserved pardon and when we understand what that truly means then God’s grace and mercy will abound from us.

  46. oneg2dblu says:

    Prayers to all the affected by the storm of the century
    many only having power available to them through the Holy Spirit and not the local power company. Lack of power changes our lives dramatically, but having His Power become real to you, is the greatest change one can encounter!
    Bruce… yes many churches today have lost their way and their followers are not being fed the truth, the whole truth, so Help them God!

    rxman… I do church on Saturday evening, but, the actual day is not as important as not having a day set aside for Worshiping, Honoring, and Praisnig Him.
    For some, that is every day, and for others, its an only on Sunday event.
    I bleieve the bible is very specific on this issue, and EACH MAN must decide for himself what day that will be.
    God does not turn a deaf ear to Worshiop on one day over another. Only man frets about that trivia.
    What Religion, what day, what God, where does it end?
    Or more importantly where does it begin, (this testy questioning,) how others choose for themselves is up to them and Almighty God as He directs us.
    I only feel responsible to those Commandments that God has left in place for us, the ones that no longer apply… I do not worry about. So,the answer is, in a word, All! Gary

  47. poohpity says:

    I think what rxman was eluding to was that the sabbath actually was Friday evening from 6pm to Saturday 6pm and if we are holding ourselves to the letter of the law then going to church which there was not even church at that time was set apart to worship the Lord. Now we have the ability to worship the Lord everyday of our lives in our work, in our rest, and in our play by displaying the grace, love and mercy we have been shown rather than following the Ten Commandments and pointing out sin in someone else rather than realizing that ALL sin and fall short of the Glory of God and showing them the heart of forgiveness our Lord and Savior gave us.

  48. foreverblessed says:

    Bep77 ,thanks for your comments, about listening to God, hearing to what He tells us. Today in our housegroup we were discussing what God tells us, 2 Corinthians 2:15
    Do we really hear what He says?
    He is really fond of us:
    Song of Solomon 2:4,14, 4:9
    we, who are saved and washed clean, made righteous because of Christ. Does it really sink in my heart how lovely we are to Him? How terrible that many thoughts enter my mind that I am not worthy, while God has a total different view of me. He loves me, and all of you!

  49. poohpity says:

    Amen!! To share that wonderful love and care, people would be so drawn to Jesus because of that just like we all were when we first believed. Where does that go after we have walked with the Lord for a long period, I think we forget that first love. Please refresh and renew our heart’s Father to that original day we first believed and ignite that Love in all of us again.

  50. Regina says:

    Good Evening All,

    Hope all is well with you. Just got back from a phenomenal Bible Study teaching on The Fall of Saul! So thankful for the Word of God and for godly wisdom!

    I tried to comment on this blog topic several times this week but to no avail. So glad to be able to log on again! :-) Now, as I was trying to say a few days ago, so glad we were on the same page, tracey5tgbtg!

    Now, I’m gonna read a few of the newer comments on this topic.

    Love to all,

  51. Regina says:

    I stand in agreement with all who are praying for those who were affected by Hurricane Irene.

  52. oneg2dblu says:

    pooh… thanks for your comments. They seem to bring some type of modern proof to the fact that we all got it wrong, or none of it matters anymore to us.
    So,are you saying those who are saved can now walk on in our own way, without the old confines of that Old Testiment stuff!
    But to me, the other witness, the New Testiment, brings it all back to the beginning and relates it all back to how we are to live today. Although we live in the Age of Grace, we can not ignore both witnesses, for they together make a valid statement about what is truth!
    All God’s Word is Truth, and what we choose to leave out to follow our own way, we will still be resposible to answer for. That is my modern context about all scripture. It is all related, it is all one story, that is both history, and His Story. Gary

  53. poohpity says:

    No Gary, some just chose to live by faith and some by works to elevate themselves to a deserving status by following the Law and letting everyone know about it which takes eyes off of Jesus and puts it on a prideful person.

  54. oneg2dblu says:

    pooh… I get your point. That would be a total mistake, not to walk by faith, or to accept Only the Promisses of God, like our Salvation, and then, not also live by the defining boundries that the bible clearly exposes to all who will Obey its profound simple teaching. Buy as you have said before, that would be impossible without the Advocate, the Holy Spirit that enables us to see our Sin, and then “helps us” correct our self-serving and prideful positions we all seem to be held captive to, when we walk our own way. When we allow the flesh to overpower even His clearly wriiten instructions for Holy Living, claiming that they do not apply, for we walk by Grace. Always finding we are making excuses and turning this Grace into a license for our unholy and prideful living.
    Not that any of us ever achieve this perfection, but that we spend ourselves in the passion of attaining of it, by how we live for Him, and how we are Empowered to overcome even our flesh, and claim it as being all for Him. Gary

  55. poohpity says:

    Gary all I know is that I can’t and Jesus can and for that I will be eternally grateful by showing that same grace to others that I was given and that is how I repay Jesus for that wonderful gift.

  56. oneg2dblu says:

    pooh… I agree with that position accept for one tiny
    part, Jesus can not live our lives for us, we have to do our part. That is what He can’t do it for us, but we must try for Him. His Spirit is our advocate and empowered presence in our lives to help us through this living for Him! In that context, we should not remain defeated or defenseless, by always finding no good thing within ourselves, that really makes His contribution look worthless to the world around us.
    Is I can’t, to be our only witness?
    Or, “I can do all things through Him who empowers me!” That sounds a little better to me, so I’ll claim a slightly different posture, and if it is rendered prideful by some, so be it! But, don’t both positions give Honnor, Glory, and Praise to Jesus? One is active, and the other more passive. So, I just do not see one as humble, and the other as prideful! Gary

  57. poohpity says:

    Gary, I can not do anything to earn my salvation but Jesus did it for me. I can’t but Jesus can. I thought we were talking about the Law and Grace.

  58. oneg2dblu says:

    pooh… yes we are talking about Law and Grace.
    But, how “we view” our Salvation affects how we interact with the Law, and how we view Grace. So we are not talking about “earning” Salvation, you are right.
    I am refering to how we “live our lives” under Grace, and how we “live with” the Law. Our basic doctrinal beliefs, that do differ, cause much difference in how we react to both Grace, and the Law.
    I M H O, I find the O S A S position, can certainly be a license for continuing in much sin to many. Kind of like the Police Chief’s son who feels he is “Above the Law” and acts like a criminal because of his father’s well known position. He is always abusing the system that was meant to keep everyone in line, but feels he is somehow special, and can get away with much more wrong doing then the rest of us.
    Always using the authority of the father, to make excuses for bad behavior, just like an entitlement, if you will, to not even attempt to toe the line.
    So, Being in Christ and having God as Our Heavenly Father, means we are no longer Under the Law, very true, but certainly not above it either!
    We must be held accountable for our lives regardless,
    and the Law is given today for the Saved! This is the point of all my words.
    “None escape the Judgement Day,” all will Appear before the White Throne of God. Most without an Advocate, for only the Saved will have one, but all will give an account of what they have done with what they have been given. The issue is not about earning, it is about learning, who we are, and what we are ultimately responsible for, and to Whom! Well taught doctrinal beliefs, even those watered down for the masses, do not change God’s Law, or His Word. Gary

  59. poohpity says:

    So Gary I will go back to the question you did not understand; “So Gary what happens when you fail to be obedient to every word that you are instructed to obey?” (The Law). Obviously you believe you can lose your salvation and I believe that I can not so we will have to agree to disagree. :-)

  60. oneg2dblu says:

    pooh… we who are Saved, are also subject to the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit. God does not grant us empty Grace, but a Grace filled with Power. Power to Overcopme even ourselves. But, if we deny that Spirit, saying we can’t overcome, and live our lives in reckless sinful abandon, like those who do not possess this Spirit, then we have within us “no conviction” to ever change. Then, our Repentence is as false as our belief. Our faith is as worthless as our unchanged walk, and for taking “that stand,” some actually deny that God-given Spirit.
    It is Blasphemy, and the Lake of Fire awaits all who deny Him. Sorry, but you can’t have it your way.
    Once Saved, Always Saved, can not trump this act of denial, called Blasphemy.
    Here is the context…Blasphemy cancels Salvation! Those who deny the spirit will lose their Salvation.
    So, Salvation alone is just an event, that can be canceled, or lost through Disobedience and Unbelief.
    Following Christ as Your Saviour, that is a vibrant, active, and living lifestyle, that must be persued by all true Believers who desire to know and Follow Christ,
    Who is Our Only Real Salvation!
    I will not be found to agree that the losing of ones salvation as impossible, for “It is Written” that it is possible,and I will not deny it, just to save offending some doctrinal stance that others may choose to take. Gary

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