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Backstory for Israel’s Fall Holidays

Since the evening of September 28, the observant Jewish community has entered a 21 day holy-holiday season that encompasses the last three of the seven annual feasts given by God to Israel through Moses (Leviticus 23:4-44).

Once again it’s important to remember that everything in life has a story. That’s true of the Fall Feasts. They find their meaning in the light of the back story of the the four annual Spring feasts that precede them.

The first four holiday-holy days of this annual cycle happen in the Spring and have a close relationship to one another.

The first three, Passover, the Feast of Unleavened Bread, and a somewhat mysterious Feast of First Fruits, are all part of a Passover celebration that finds special significance on the the 14th, 15th, and 16th days of the same week.

According to Moses, the third  of these first three feasts was to be celebrated only after Israel had entered their promised land. It was then that the priest was to wave a sheaf of the first harvest (barley) of the season, “on the day after the sabbath”(23:10-11, 15).

For important reasons, some of which will become clearer as this unfolds, there has been a lot of discussion about what Moses meant by “on the day after the sabbath.”  Moses, himself forced this discussion when he went on to use very specific language in linking the fourth feast to the third.

According to Moses the fourth feast of “Weeks/Pentecost” was to take place exactly 7 weeks (50 days) after the third feast day (i.e. 50 days after the priest had waved the first sheaf offering before the Lord (v 15).

Thousands of years later, the observant Jewish community considers these details important and refers to the process as “the counting of the Omer”.

According to the online encyclopedia  Wikipedia, “Counting of the Omer (or Sefirat Ha’omer) is a verbal counting of each of the forty-nine days between the Jewish holidays of Passover and Shavuot. This mitzvah derives from the Torah commandment to count forty-nine days beginning from the day on which the Omer, a sacrifice containing an omer-measure of barley, was offered in the Temple in Jerusalem, up until the day before an offering of wheat was brought to the Temple on Shavuot. The Counting of the Omer begins on the second day of Passover (the 16th of Nisan) for Rabbinic Jews.”

The reason that explaining “the counting of the Omer” is important is that it not only shows that the relationship of the festivals, but that Rabbinic Israel sees the first three festivals as falling within the week of Passover.

According to the New Testament each of these first four feasts, Passover (1Cor 5:7; unleavened bread (1Cor 5:8);  first fruits (1Cor 15:20);  and Pentecost (Acts 1:6-9; 2:1-4) all find fullness of meaning in the events of Jesus’ death, burial, resurrection, and the gift of his Spirit on Pentecost.

These Spring festivals are then followed by a lengthy period of the summer growing season. Several months pass before the last three Fall harvest festivals that Moses called for.

One reason for taking the time to give this backstory to the fall feasts is that for some time Israel has been calling Rosh Hashana (the first of the fall feasts) the beginning of the Jewish New Year. Yet God, through Moses calls the month of Passover “the first month”.  If we don’t remember where the story of the holiday-holy days starts it’s harder to recognize the real meaning and story of the annual cycle of feasts that Moses called for.

Seems to me in this story we find examples of the subtle ways in which the patterns of Israel’s national and religious history find fullness of meaning and fulfillment in Jesus. Who but God could have anticipated or orchestrated such compelling reasons to see his presence in the life, death, and resurrection of his long awaited Messiah?

And what could give us more reason than to look for more meaning and eventual fulfillment in the Fall Festivals of the nation God has chosen to reveal himself, and his offer of complete pardon, and immortality to all– through faith in his Messiah/Son.

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73 Responses to “Backstory for Israel’s Fall Holidays”

  1. SFDBWV says:

    Personally I have always considered the fall feasts and especially Yom Kippur as a possible time for the rapture.

    Our names sealed in the book of life, the number of the gentiles fulfilled, the gathering of the harvest.

    All the feasts are connected to Christ and His seasons with man; and we are the Body of Christ.


  2. remarutho says:

    Hello Mart & Friends —

    If I (slightly) understand the Jewish sacred calendar, it begins in what we call April at the new moon. So, the cycle begins, and Passover week (give or take, according to the new moon) is two weeks after day one of the sacred year.

    The Jewish civil calendar begins now — in what we call October. Israeli civil society observes the Jewish Holy Days, I beleive, though the world has made Shabbat just another day (as in secular society everythwere).

    Observe, by comparison, the calendars of Christendom: Our ecclesial year begins at Advent (four weeks before the observed birth of Jesus). Our civil year begins in January, which comes to us from the Romans, with necessary changes instituted by Gregory, I believe.

    Jesus pointedly tellsus: “Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets; I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth pass away, not one letter, not one stroke of a letter, will pass from the law until all is accomplished.” (Mt 5:17-18)

    With all the concurrent and contradictory keeping of time, I see one fascinating fact that seems to jump out for me at this moment, in light of the topic: The Feast of Trumpets occurs on the civil Jewish New Year’s Day, as it is now calculated. Ten days later comes the most sacred day of the Jewish sacred calendar: Yom Kippur, the Day of Atonement. I have not a clue what this may signify. Only the Lord can know. It is fascinating.

    I am struck this year by the elaborate decorations my neighbors have up in their yards for All Hallow’s Eve! Amazing! Strings of orange lights and black caldrons, cats and hats! All this is combined with the symbols of harvest — sheaves of wheat, ristras of chilis, lugs of apples…all in observance of the eve of All Saints Day, a sacred festival.

    May we learn to read the signs of the times. Maru

  3. jesus4me says:

    Thank you for this wonderful message. I have been enjoying God’s revelation of HIS truth through commentaries like this. Truly the end of the summer harvest is near and the trump of God will sound soon. Can’t wait to see the fulfillment of the Feast of the Tabernacles when we will be forever with Him.

  4. poohpity says:

    Oh my it is truly a time for celebration when we consider through history how the story has unfolded and continues to unfold until that day we are with the Lord in eternity.

    Starting with passover, celebrating God’s deliverance from Egypt which Jesus celebrated His last passover meal with the disciples because we, all who believe, are delivered from the consequences of sin.

    The celebration of unleavened bread which marked the new life they would begin after leaving their bondage to the Pharaoh. We today can celebrate the new life we have in Christ.

    First fruits reminded them that because of their deliverance they could now harvest their first crop of barley in the new land. Everyday we can be grateful because our God provides and His promises are never left unfulfilled.

    Pentecost, the end of the barley and the beginning of the wheat. To us today being filled with the Holy Spirit now that is a reason to celebrate.

    Rosh Hashana (Day of the Trumpets) the civil new year, rejoicing the joy that fills our hearts with thanksgiving for our God.

    Yom Kippur (Day of Atonement) The removal of sin from the nation and restoring fellowship with God. Jesus work on the Cross that was the final atonement for our sins past, present and future.

    Tabernacles was a remembrance of God’s protection and guidance through the wilderness which if we think about it we can celebrate every morning for God’s protection and guidance through this day as in everyday.

    I thought it was wonderful that God set apart many days to think about Him and be grateful for all that he has done, is doing and will complete one day. Just like the Israelis moaned, groaned and complained in the desert we have a choice to be grateful, thankful and rejoice in God while understanding that the circumstances we face each day we have a God who cares and walks with us through them. Our constant companion who wants us to celebrate His love for us.

    Can you say “Party Time” or sit in the corner of our little worlds and moan, groan and complain. Just for today I will chose PARTY. Talk to me latter about that I may be in a different mood, lol!!

  5. tracey5tgbtg says:

    And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he explained to them what was said in all the Scriptures concerning Himself. Luke 24:27

    From that small amount of information we know that everything in the Old Testament points to Jesus Christ.

    I am so thankful that there are many who do study the Scriptures and are able to point out all the amazing things like the information in Mart’s opening post. I enjoy reading these things although I still have a lot to learn about them.

    We are so blessed to see the fulfillment of the Scriptures in the birth, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ and we wait for His return.

    Reading the Jewish commentaries on Jonah in the links in the previous post, I was struck by the sense of how they can talk about the meaning of Jonah, but they are always left empty and guessing because they do not recognize that Jesus is their Messiah.

  6. SFDBWV says:

    Have discussed many times that prophesy is only clearly seen in hind sight, and that the written Word of God is layered by being actual as well as prophetic in its observation.

    The feasts or seasons that God has devised reveal future events for both Israel and for mankind. He has cloaked them in mystery to be understood at the appropriate time.

    Our conjecture and study does in fact reveal Christ in every feast yet God has layered other events of mankind into them as well.

    I never have fully understood the feasts and even after getting VCR or DVD or books on them still I am left clouded and confused.

    I am left to understanding my own confusion as to the fact that to me they hold little or no significance, at this time.

    Yes I understand they are a timetable of events and yes if I concerned myself with timetables I may need to try and understand them.

    However Jesus of Nazareth is of my concern, I do not need to see Him revealed through the mysteries of Jewish feasts, maybe the Jew does, but I have already recognized Him as Lord and call upon Him as such.

    I do not need convincing from Jewish tradition, the gift of the Holy Spirit that came on the day of Pentecost enables me to fellowship directly with my Lord.

    I suppose what I am saying is that what I already have is far better than looking in mysteries and puzzles, and adventuring to learn what I already have discovered, and possess.

    We had snow yesterday that turned back to rain, 36 degrees this morning and wet.


  7. Mart De Haan says:

    Because the feasts of Israel are harvest festivals they touched people on a very basic and present material level.

    Because they began with Passover, which, like the first of the 10 commandments, is a reminder of God’s provision of historical deliverance, they put the present and future in perspective of what God had already done for them.

    In that respect they remind me of Samuel’s affirmation that “This far the Lord has helped us” (1Sam 7:12).

  8. oneg2dblu says:

    Good morning All… as far as the *feasts* go… I trust that the One Who Feeds Us right now, is this Historical Surprize that the Jewish Feasts do not celebrate for us.
    They await what we already have living inside us, and our feast of remembering, or any future promise, is the same Yesterday, Today and Tomorrow, for the Followers of Jesus Christ, as their Living Messiah, their Living God, their Living Saviour, and the Only Way for us to possesss this, is to know Who Christ really is.
    As we all feast on that daily, that reality, is Our Daily Bread! Gary

  9. SFDBWV says:

    So then Mart you see the feasts as encouragements on a grand and gala scale?


  10. oneg2dblu says:

    Steve… I see Jesus Christ as Our Messiah, and as our most valued encouragement on a grand and gala scale.
    Mart, please forgive my short-sightedness, as I am only human and was not raised up with the Feasts as part of my practicing Christian reality.
    I do love all Jewish people for their steadfastness, for their chosen position, for their beloved feasts that give them, their reality.
    I trust they are in God’s Hands, and will be with us who will be caught up in the clouds with Our Lord and Saviour, because God has chosen them for His Own.
    As they have their richness in their feasts, we Christ Followers have our richness in Our Lord.
    Pray for the Peace of Jerusalem, as if it is our feast for them. To God be the Glory for all He has done for the Jew and the Gentile. He has show us all a way to Our Salvation in Him! Gary

  11. SFDBWV says:

    Gary, good morning; I too have already stated that Jesus is enough for me in my earlier post.

    However people of all walks of life and especially followers of Christ often lose track of the accomplishments God has given them in their life. We all slip sometimes into a valley and are more aware of the circumstances of the valley then remember the highs of Gods previous victories in our lives.

    Many people see Christmas as a pagan materialistic feast, yet others see it as a reminder of the birth of our Savior.

    Some see Easter as a time for bunnies and marshmallow chicks, jelly beans and chocolate rabbits, yet others a reminder of the celebration of the resurrection and reason of our faith.

    Here in the USA our Christian feast of Thanksgiving has turned into an opulent meal with football games, while others still se it as a way of thanking our Lord for the little or plenty He has given us throughout the year.

    Whereas I have Christ alive in me, still I enjoy seeing the cross of Christ displayed in the various places and ways it is shown, as a reverent reminder of His victory. Especially when victory seems far from me. In a valley froth with struggles and heartache.

    Maybe the Jew needed reminded as well as sometime I, that God is still God and has carried me this far, and will finish the job.


  12. oneg2dblu says:

    Steve… how true. If Christianity claimed another day, now not existing as a holiday, for it’s new found Feast of Rememberance, you can bet that the world system would find a way to corrupt it as well.
    It seems no matter what we represent, our how we choose to show it, the world with all it’s noise will disrtract others from embracing it, as they choose for themselves, otherwise.
    Only God can change that, and for that, we owe Him our very lives as He alone has Saved us from this world’s death, into His Eternity.
    They can’t market it their way, so they do not want it to be seen, heard, or shown to our children either, but God has another plan for this up and coming generation that He raises, through Christian parents and teachers who will show them His Way. To God be the Glory!

  13. poohpity says:

    Knowing the history of the human side of Jesus is so important to understanding more about Him. Even though the Jewish people contended with trial after trial by studying the festivals we also see how the Lord was always there even when their behavior was so bad, God showed mercy, provision and care for them repeatedly. We learn that with God’s help they were able to overcome, persevere, get their faith developed, and learn to trust God in the most difficult of times. God is always there to provide, comfort, extend grace, show mercy and use whatever we go through to bring about good for us and others and to bring Glory to HIS name.

    I believe learning about the festivals of the Jewish peoples are also ours since we have been adopted into the family of God. We can see God always has had a specific plan in mind and no matter what we may or may not do His plan will happen and we can take great comfort in knowing that.

  14. foreverblessed says:

    Pooh, you wrote that God had a specific plan,
    and He layed it out in the Festivals,
    The Spring Festivals are quite clear to us, as they have been fulfilled in Jesus, on the Cross, He died on the 14 th of Nisan, just as God had planned, Jesus went up to Heaven and presented Himself as the Firstfruit to God, He told Mary not to touch Him as He had not yet been to heaven, John 20:17.
    These things happened and it was all planned.
    Then there is a long period to the Fall Festivals.
    Could these not tell of a plan God has for mankind?
    Yes, I believe they do.
    The first Fall Festival is called the Feast of Trumpets, Lev 23:23
    1 Thessalonians 4:16 Jesus will come with the Trumpet call of God.

    Revelation has a lot to say about events: Revelation 11:15.
    To me that Festival tells us that Jesus is coming back to earth, at the Trumpet call from God.

    Then the next Festival is called the Day of Atonement, Leviticus 23:26-32, there is a whole chaptre about this day, Leviticus 16 it is interesting to read this: two goats, one is sacrificed on the altar, that must be a type of Jesus being offered as a payment for the sins of the world.
    The other goat is send in the wilderness.
    Could that have a meaning?
    When we read Revelation we see that Jesus returns to earth
    Revelation 19:11
    and the first thing that happens after that is:
    Revelation 20:1-3 Satan is seized and bound, could that be one more meaning of the Day of Atonement? Not only that Jesus died for our sins, but that the originator of sin is bound? And for thousand years does not hinder mankind?
    A thousand year reign starts on earth.
    The next Festival is the Feast of Tabernacles, could this Feast also look forward to the reign of Christ on earth.
    Our Father in heaven, hallowed be Your name, Your kingdom come
    Then there is a last day, The Last Great Day Leviticus 23 v 33 to 36
    The Feast of Tabernacles lasts 7 days, but there is also an 8th day, something as like an extra bonus
    That day I find very very interesting
    Jesus cries out on that Day, John 7v37 that day is given a name, not only the last day but also the greatest day.
    On the last and greatest day of the Feast, Jesus stood and said is a loud voice `If a man is thirsty, let him come to me and drink, v38 Whoever believes in me, as the Scripture has said, streams of living water will flow from within him`.

    What a beautiful verse,
    If these days have a meaning in the unfolding of history of mankind, this day might have a profound meaning,
    it happens right at the end,
    And what happens after the thousand year reign of Revelation
    Revelation 20 v 11 to 15
    Does this day mean that Jesus will say in a great voice to all who have risen from the dead `If a man is thirsty let him come to Me and drink`
    This day might be awesome!

  15. poohpity says:

    foreverblessed, forgive me but I did say say He laid out His plan in the festivals. I believe those were times that are given for us to pull back from the daily routines of life in remembrance of the great things God has done and will do and just to celebrate God alone.

  16. poohpity says:

    I meant “did not” lol, not “did say say”

  17. saled says:

    The Feast of Booths intrigues me. I’ve spent a little time in a booth, not one made by branches and boughs, but one of those flimsy open-sided tent affairs that you see at outdoor markets and fairs. I’ve also had the experience of having my booth blown end over end down the street in a sudden thunderstorm. What will be the fulfillment of this last feast?

    In John 14:2 Jesus said, “I go to prepare a place for you.” Such hope. There is a place being prepared for us. No matter how sturdy our home here on earth, it is vulnerable. My daughter and her husband bought an old farmhouse that has turned out to be much more work than they had thought. Sometimes their situation looks hopeless, and I will say a prayer to God that he will build their house. And I know that he is, he is preparing a place for them.

    Yes, I wonder about this last feast, and just how it will be fulfilled.

  18. Regina says:

    Good Evening All,

    Just stopped by to say hello! :-) I hope all is well in your lives. I’ve been away for awhile, and I’ve missed you all! I’m a lot busier in the Fall season, and I don’t have as much time to chat, but I’ll have more time around the holidays. Looking forward to sharing my thoughts and reading yours soon!

    Love to all,

  19. bratimus says:

    To me everything has its time and place.

    The feast of Israel where put in place by God through Mosses. They are for rememberance and thanksgiving.

    Even Jesus observed Passover with His discilples, and through this Christians have observed the breaking of the bread as the body of Christ and the drink of wine as the blood of Christ. Most Churches call this communon, and this wouldn’t have come to be if Jesus didn’t observe the feasts of passover.

    Every nation has its feast or holidays, the U.S. of A
    has thanksgiving and the Fourth of July. And we do feast on those days. But do we give God credit for why those days are celebrated, do we even remember the history behind those days of feast for the US of A. or are they more of just an excuse to take time off and eat.

    Everything has it time and place, the question is what do we observe them for, self or God?

  20. foreverblessed says:

    Bratimus, are you still up, or do you live in a an other time zone? Over here in Europe it is now 10 a clock.
    Pooh, sorry for not being clear enough, I was echoing what you wrote, not gainsaying it. I should have written: I also believe they do have a meaning in a plan.

    I was thinking last night: maybe the Festivals do not only show the plan for mankind, but it also lays out a route most christians take in their lives.
    (This will be a long post, as there are 7 Festivals. I do not mean to write this as to say, we have to keep these days literal, like a Holy Day, but to see the spiritual meaning they have for us, they all point to Jesus He is the great Reality, these Days are a shadow Colossians 2:17)

    We start with the Spring Festivals, taking Jesus as our Saviour, Passover, we put out sin out of our life and eat the bread of Life, Jesus, (Feast of Unleavened Bread),
    then we receive the Holy Spirit (Pentecost),
    There is a long time till the next Festival in the Fall, could that mean something to our lives?
    We are like a tree, a small seed fall into the ground, and a little root develops, a small one, but this it vital, it must grow. We must grow a root life in our Saviour, and for most of us that takes time, even til a small tree is developed, Psalm 1:3 the roots grow to the water of life, Jesus, the River
    We start out fresh full of zeal for our Saviour, that is the first love.

    Then at the Fall Festival, a Trumpet blast, could that mean a wake up call for us? Christ is calling us, He appears in a grand way in our lives, our first love has faded, and something new happens (like Oswald Champbers wrote in My Utmost For His Highest: there are christians whom have seen Christ, and they change forever, after that they have a zeal for Him, that christians who did not have that encounter cannot see.)
    When anyone has seen Christ vividly, the only reaction is to fall prostrate to the ground, who me, that is the Day of Atonement. Isaiah 6:1-7 Isaiah saw a vision and this is what he cries out: I am a man of unclean lips. Not only our lips, we realise we are totally unclean, we see our fallen state very clear, a deeper knowledge of our own natural state then we had at first when we started out as christians,
    We know our old self must be killed, but it is killed slowly,
    That is why we have so many problems with each other, we expect the old man to be trown out already, but it isn’t, it is a gradual process. 2 Cor 4:16 we are renewed day by day, layer by layer renewed, going deeper and deeper in our body soul and spirit.
    At this encounter it goes fast; the whole old man is cast out.
    (All Revivals that have happened were accompanied by a deep sense of repentance, and woe is me crying of people who had been touched by the Holy Spirit.)

    Now we are at the Feast of Tabernacles:
    Now there is room for Christ to live, our human house, a temporal house, like a booth Leviticus 23:42,
    This body of ours is the temple on earth: 1 Cor 3:16, 6:16, 2 Corinthians 6:16 is now filled with Jesus, all space is for Him. As there was some room for Him before, but now fully.

    And the result is great joy, peace, Galatians 5:22
    A much deeper joy then we had at first. As Pooh has mentioned many times: the Joy. And our old man is gone, no more burden of our selves, we are fully His, He cares for us. No more strife, and bickering amongst ourselves.
    Leviticus 23:40 rejoice before the Lord 7 days
    This is a great Festival in our lives,
    and what is the result?
    We start to proclaim the Good News of the Gospel, on the eight day like Jesus did at the Tempel:
    We are now so full of this good news for everybody, we preach with all our hearts in it, and Jesus in us:
    John 7:37,38

    This is what I have been thinking last night, and I could hardly sleep.
    I write it down, just for you to shoot at: might the Festivals be a general type of a christian life cycle?
    To add my own life cycle: I have not seen Jesus in a vision, loud and clear.
    I pray for a wake up call, and a Revival.
    That there will be full space for Christ, and a joy and happiness follows that the world can see, and love and unity, and we preach the good news together.

  21. foreverblessed says:

    OK Pooh, you did NOT say there was a plan, I thought you did write that on october 2 11.37 am. I hope this does not confuse too much.

    Anyway, in the list of Festivals I forgot the Wave sheaf offering:
    Christ was presented in Heaven as the Firstfruit,
    are we also presented as firstfruits with Him at the beginning of our life as a christian, as small as a seed as it is?
    Ephesians 2:6-7
    Colossians 1:12
    This must give us a great encouragement, even the smallest christian is seated with Him already, although we live here in our earthly body, in the world all around us, we are in His Kingdom already, I pray that our eyes are opened to the spiritual realm more and more, as the world around us, and our human body is deteriorating.

    You might think how do I have so much to say about these Festivals, but I was raised in a christian church, which did not only keep the sabbath on the 7th day, but which also kept all the Festivals of Leviticus 23.
    The negative part of the church was that it was way too legalistic, and boasted we were the only real christians as we were the only ones who kept the commandments of God, and did not change times and seasons. But more profound was the fact that that knowledge became more important then the Life of Chirst living in us already now, the life in faith in Him.
    So to speak, the shadow was more important then the Reality. Now that I have found Jesus, what more do I need?
    We are already part of His Kingdom now, with our feet on the ground and our spirit seated with Him in heavenly realms.

    The positive part of this is that I have a lot of knowledge about the Festivals. When I realised it was wrong to put the laws of the Torah before Christ, I did not want to know anymore about them. But on this blog Mart brings up this theme, and while thinking about them: knowledge is useful, if connected to our life in Christ, He is the great Reality, the only Person that matters.

  22. SFDBWV says:

    As I have stated earlier, the feasts seem to be of little or no importance to me. This makes me wonder why.

    In Zechariah 14: 16 we are told that after the great tribulation and during the millennium that the Feast of the Tabernacles will not only still be worshiped, but by every nation and those nations that don’t send representatives will be punished for non compliance.

    In Acts 15: 19 James and the council at Jerusalem say that Gentiles are relieved of following the Law of Moses and need only (Acts 15: 20) abstain from idols, fornication, from things strangled and from blood.

    My spirit aligned with the Holy Spirit tells me that as of this time, the understanding of these feasts may be entertaining but have no real significance in my relationship to Christ.

    Whereas I believe all scripture is written for our enlightenment and to educate us and draw us into a more comfortable understanding of all things, it is the Holy Spirit in me that leads me in the direction of life I need to center on.

    I also wonder as foreverblessed has explained what future role the feasts have in the timetable of man. However the study of such matters can be very exhausting and as for me, I look up for my hope comes from Him and I pray that soon we leave this wretched world behind to its ever increasing evil.


  23. SFDBWV says:

    Did not want to leave on such a dark note, I have seen plenty of snows the first week of October usually with disastrous results as trees though in full color are still full of leaves. However we are seeing snow this weekend and this morning, but it is mixed with a good bit or rain.

    The temps dropped to 32 this morning and it snowed hard for a couple hours but the ground is very wet and warm enough to melt most of it. So as of yet it looks as though we will miss the tree pruning that occurs when we get 2 to 4 inches on trees with leaves still on.

    I hope all are blessed wherever you are today.


  24. bratimus says:


    I have sleep issues

  25. oneg2dblu says:

    Foreverblessed… I so enjoy writing that name…
    Thank you for that amazing explaination of the relationship you experienced through the keeping of the Feasts. A joy to read, to ponder, to experience.
    I wonder what Feasts came about after Christ started His Church, and Our Holy Communion being fashioned after that Last Super, was the Command of Our Saviour
    for His Church. It is the gathering together of the family, the beaking of bread together, the cup being also taken in Rememberance of Him, Christ the Lord, and Our God.
    It amazes me that a Christian can observe the Feasts of the Jew, but the Jew cannot observe the Holy Communion
    without first remembering the reality, that Jesus Christ is Our Lord and Saviour.
    But, that feast is only for those who have been called by God to recognize who this Jesus,really is!
    When there is enough room in “their tents” to accomodate
    that seed of truth, then we can all grow together as one family, Under God the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
    Why is there not enough room for the three, the Trinity?
    Because, religious practice is only a form of practice, until you can recieve the “real message” behind the Last Supper, you are blocking your access if you will, when you only practice your religion.
    Since the Coming Out, to use a very poor expresion, Christ did not tell His Church to observe their religion, over having a relationship with him, as the One Living God, and through the Trinity, we have this unfettered access.
    Pray for the Jews today who has his feasts of remembering down pat, but have no personal relationship
    with Our Christ.
    I wonder how much does God honor religious practice?
    The Muslim world has shown us what extreme religion
    can do to mankind, and I sometimes have trouble seeing Our God truly honored in all that practicing.
    Just a thought!
    That is a good place for us to focus our voice, Asking Our Living Word to show Himself, to those who only practice today! Do I offend, or do I speak plain truth?
    In His Love, Gary

  26. oneg2dblu says:

    I cherish all the history we have in the holy land and the Biblical Word to back it up, the Back Story…
    But, “His Story,” is the only starting place for all Christiains who are called by His Name.
    If we can’t see Him first, we fail in all other forms of religious practice, and worship.
    I know my perspective is seen as narrow to many, when there is such is rich history to be learned by those who are led to learn it, those who seek to dig deeper.
    I implore you to keep on digging, but do look up once in a while, for there is a dying world all around us.
    Just a thought!

  27. BruceC says:

    The Feasts in the OT are a blessing to study from both a historical and a posible future aspect. Not to lessen their importance; but I need to spend more time at the foot of the Cross so I can learn to be like my Lord Jesus Christ and to study the Word for my guidance in that way. What good does it do a man to have a candle and never light it so that its light shines for all to see? So is celebration without truly knowing the One you are celebrating.
    I too will pray that the scales fall off the eyes of israel in these last days and many come to know the Messiah! My greatest blessing for Israel is to pray for their acceptance of Christ. That day will come.

    Soli Deo Gloria!

  28. poohpity says:

    Just a thought Gary, there are many Messianic Jews that still remember the deliverance of the Lord. It is not necessarily a religious practice just as celebrating the Lord’s supper is done in remembrance of what happened on the Cross. Taking time to remember the work the Lord has done in our lives can stimulate our faith and build our devotion to God. Learning about God just as foreverblessed said is a journey that we have a life long process to prepare us for eternity. If we get focused in only one area we miss all that the Lord is trying to teach us to be transformed into His likeness. History is very important just as the whole bible is important for us to get know God better and better. When you love someone most people want to find out all they can about that person and their love grows even deeper the more they search and seek to understand, God is faithful to those who seek after Him, and the closer the relationship becomes.

  29. oneg2dblu says:

    pooh… as you say, the Messianic Jew would need the whole Bible also, or the fullnes of the word. But,for the Jew to be a Jew, the first five books will do fine for them, or are they also lacking something? Have you ever read their Talmud? It always amazes me how many religions require more than just the Word of God… to feel complete. I wonder why? Just a thought… Gary

  30. poohpity says:

    Forgive me Gary but I did not say that the Messianic Jews need the whole bible, I just said there are Messianic Jews. No I have never read the Talmud, have you? Have you ever read about how the bible came into being as it is today? Not many people even read the bible.

  31. bubbles says:

    The celebrations and holidays of the Jewish calendar are fascinating. We can learn many things from the symbols included these special days. I am somewhat envious that we do not have more special days like they do.

    I have heard some say we should shy away from rituals and ceremony lest they lose their meanings. But, it would be great if we could haveembraced the uniqueness of the special day rather than just outwardly oberving the holiday or ceremony.

  32. foreverblessed says:

    You sleep well this night Bratimus. Sorry to hear about your sleep problems, I pray that the time awake will be a blessed time, a time to meet Jesus, and rejoice with Him.
    Not many of you are familiar with the Festivals of the Bible, otherwise more would have given a reaction.
    If we have Jesus, and are led by the Holy Spirit, we have everything the Festivals portray for our spritual growth. If you want to celebrate with other christians, going to a christian conference is just as good, and maybe even better, as the central focus is Jesus. The problem with keeping these Festivals is that Jesus may not be the central theme, and He may be pushed to the side.

    It also takes many days off, like the Feast of Booths ot Tabernacles, that would be 8 days that you are away. We in Europe have more vacation days then you in US. School was a problem, the fall week that is free at school is hardly ever the same time as the Feast of Booths. Positive side was, we worked harder then other children to be able to have the days off, and not miss too much.
    And the other problem is, that the many will require keeping these days Holy. And we are to keep Jesus holy in our lives, not days. More and more parts in our lives are given over to Him, that is the greatest journy we take.

    But wouldn’t it be something when the eyes of the Jews were opened to Jesus, we would be taught by them many more things that could learned from the Old Testament.
    Romans 11:11,12, 15 talks about that: if their hardening was a blessing to the gentiles, how much more their acceptance: it will be but life from dead?
    This chaptre ends so positive:
    Because of God’s mercy to us, they will receive mercy. We do not have to preach to them, but be sure we receive more and more mercy in our own lives by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. That it will be a feast of Booths in us all the time. We being full of joy because Jesus lives in us.
    Romans 11:25, 26, 27, 28, 29 30, 31, 32
    Look at that last verse!
    Then Paul is so excited about these things he ends with a hallelujah prayer Romans 11:33-36

  33. bratimus says:

    As I see some observing certian festivals and religious pratices. I don’t always assume that these people are lacking something. Some do this a there discipline in their worship of God, they do it quietly and personally.

    Some will observe these same festivals and religious practices very loudly and in a group to be seen doing it.

    Some do it for worship and some do it for apperance.

    Like the widow and the two mitts Luke 21:1-4

    The same principle apllies for those that observe festivals and religous pratices, some do it for worship and some do it for apperance.

    I’ll let God decide who is giving a a little out of there abundance and whom is giving there whle livilyhood.

  34. foreverblessed says:

    About the counting of the Omer, I would like to share some information, but as this topic is about the Fall Festivals, and many are not familiar with the biblical calender, and Festivals, it might be too much information.
    So then my advice is: skip this post.
    It is enough that we believe that Jesus died and rose again, and is now Lord and Master, sitting at the right hand of God, giving His Spirit to all who repent, believe in Him and ask for it.

    But the counting of the Omer Leviticus 23:15-16, Mart is showing how the Rabbinic Jews count it.
    But there are also other Jews, the Karaite Jews, they only accept the written Torah, and not the Talmud, and other added oral laws of the Jews.
    Reading in Wikipedia, the Karaite Jews count it differently, they count from the day after the weekly sabbath during the Feast of Unleaved Bread (Mart calls it the Passover Feast, see Leviticus 23:4-8, Exodus 12:14-15, 17-18.
    Say the 14th of Nissan is on wednesday, then the Sabbath would be on a thursday, the first day of Unleavened Bread, 15th of Nissan Leviticus 23:6. The next day is friday, then comes friday night and the weekly Sabbath starts. The sunday would be the day after the weekly sabbath of the Passover Feast, the 18th Nissan.

    Why would this be relevant?
    Because Jesus gave only one sign: The sign of Jonah Luke 11:29-32, Matthew 12:38-42, 40
    3 days and 3 nights He would be in the grave. Jonah 1:17
    If the 14th of Nissan in the year that Jesus died fell on a wednesday, then the Sabbath John 19:31 is talking about is on a thursday, and not on a saturday, as is common belief in the christian world.
    Then maybe Jesus was indeed 3 days and 3 nights in the grave, and He rose at saturday night, which is the beginning of the sunday, as the bible starts the day at sunset, (see Genesis 1:5 first the evening and then the morning.)
    I was thinking, what would the meaning be of that 3 days and 3 nights? What is the message Jesus wants to give us?

    If this is too much information, do not get unsettled by it, Jesus is our Saviour, no matter what, if He was in the grave from friday night, or from wednesday night. The fact is He rose again!

  35. bubbles says:

    The comment I made was not meant to make you angry, foreverblessed. Good grief. The one time I have posted in months, and you jump all over my opinion. You have no idea what we know or do not know. Maybe more would comment, but who wants to participate when a snippy remark will be made. Forget this blog.

  36. oneg2dblu says:

    pooh… forgive me for putting words in your mouth. My intention was to align with your past recommendation of how we all need to read the entire bible, so we get the full context. I thought you may have linked that with the Messianic Jews would should fall into that category. Needing the fullness of the Word. I should have chosen my words differently. I did not put those in parenthesis, so they were not a direct quote, just an association of thought. Sorry for that tresspass.
    I too have not read the entire Talmud, but last night I read a more positive quote from it than past readings,
    for it gives a sweet reminder, how powerful each single soul is. As it cloely mimicked a favorite choice of words I use in prayer.
    From Max Lucado’s book, You Changed My Life, he uses this quote: “Save one life. Save the world.” Taken from a line of the Talmud, the Jewish Book of the law. I had never read that before, but found it to be Powerful!
    In my common useage, I pray to God asking Him, “Change the world Lord, One Soul at a time.”
    After all, you may agree with this, I am a small thinker!
    As to your answer, if I know how the modern bible came into its current form, I would say this: Its probably just like His Salvation, “One Soul at a time!”
    You can quote me on that! In His Love, Gary

  37. foreverblessed says:

    Sorry Bubbles, what is this about? I was thinking about Steve, who found no energy to study all of this. I actually liked your last remark, I like all of your posts, and have no ill feelings towards you at all! Please explain what in my comment did hurt you?

  38. SFDBWV says:

    Foreverblessed, I am only commenting so that you do not think I find any thing you have said concerning me to be offensive. No in fact I got a good belly laugh when I just read your last remark to bubbles.

    I could not have said it any better than you have summed it up for me, I do not have any energy for this topic.

    People get the wrong impression a great deal here in the blog because of the restrictions of this form of communicating. People also get their feeling hurt easily as well as becoming offensively defensive.

    It happens mostly when the topic has not the energy to carry a long discussion within the group.

    Just wanted to make sure you did not think I may have been upset or offended I am neither. And hope you and all have a very blessed day.


  39. foreverblessed says:

    Thanks Steve, that does good to me.
    I am not at all angry, just concerned that all this information might be too much, as I believe people are not well informed into the Festivals, but I might be wrong.
    Bubbles, I am very sorry to have upset you, it was not at all my intention, please accept my apologies. I do care about you very much.

  40. poohpity says:

    As Mart suggested that the festivals can have more meaning than just the celebration itself but the meaning about how God can reveal Himself in all things. I do not think that anything the Lord has required is without purpose and meaning. At face value we may miss some of the purposes but upon closer evaluation they show the concern the Lord has for His creation and taking time to just celebrate our God who sometimes gets lost in our everyday activities.

  41. saled says:

    Knowing the reality that the spring festivals proved to be symbols of, it seems to me that our interest in the fall festivals should be high. In his first post, Steve mentioned that he has thought the fall feasts would be a possible time for the rapture. These feasts are obviously symbols of things yet to come, but we can’t yet fully appreciate them like we can Passover. I appreciate what foreverblessed has shared on the subject, as it is a difficult one to understand. And I hope bubbles will keep posting. She and I work in the same field, education, and often her posts have struck a chord with me. I so wanted to talk with her about her comment on evolution a while ago. I guess we have to accept that in this arena, we are still limited by time and space.

  42. davids says:

    Steve wrote, “People get the wrong impression a great deal here in the blog because of the restrictions of this form of communicating. People also get their feeling hurt easily as well as becoming offensively defensive.”

    Yes, it’s really too bad that people sometimes take things badly that were not meant to be. I probably do it too sometimes.

    ForeverBlessed, your experience has been fascinating. I didn’t realize that there were congregations like that.

    During Holy Week this year, we celebrated Maundy Thursday as a traditional Hebrew Pesach, much like Jesus would have celebrated with his disciples. It was interesting and gave some insight into the event, but as Gary intones, I would not want to make it a practice that might detract from the meaning of that day.

    Do the festivals represent a prophetic timetable? I do not know. Each day has it’s own worries, so there’s no need to worry about tomorrow.

  43. bubbles says:

    I am sorry for misunderstanding. My fault entirely. Do not worry about it. Thank you for clairfying.

  44. foreverblessed says:

    Thanks Bubbles, thanks a lot, happy is my heart, that sounds weird, but that is how it feels.
    Psalm 133:1,2,3,4

  45. oneg2dblu says:

    Good Mornig… There is so much to learn about in mankind’s history, religion, family trees, life experiences, and the gods they have chosen for themselves. However, there is only One God who chooses them for Himself!
    If we would endeavor to stay focused on that One God instead of all the other attractions, or distractions that can sweep us away, after all we are but dust, how solid becomes our rock and our anchor. How steadfast our resolve, how true our beliefs, and how blessed we remain in His Love and loving others, if we just keep our proper perspective. But, as our history tells us, we are all being human, and none of us avoid that part of our history, as our history repeats itself daily.
    There is one thing we can always be if we so choose, we can be HIS! Be Blessed, Gary

  46. SFDBWV says:

    Having watched the RBC Day of Discovery programs of Luke, I was reminded of and emboldened concerning the Holy Spirits manipulation of our actions and directing our lives for His purposes.

    Just as Paul’s plans were thwarted time and again and his journeys funneled in the direction the Spirit wanted, so it is in our own lives.

    The key here for me to remember is that God uses me for His purposes not mine and that since I have ask Him to use me, I must trust that the different roads and directions my life takes are under His control and in alignment with his will.

    If I surrender myself as I attempt to do every day, His will for my actions will be foremost in my thoughts and mind and in my desires. The Spirit will even give me a direction to concentrate my energies on. This is a wonderfully freeing concept that God is in control of my life, thoughts and all.

    As I have attempted to explain a time or two in my earlier posts, these Jewish feasts have a purpose in Gods overall plans but for now, for me they are not awakened into my mind or heart and God has not caused them to be important in my relationship with Him.

    This to me is why my previous attempts to study them have come up empty and dry. So I am funneled into other directions by the Spirit and my energies are then best spent right where God wants them to be.

    I have been watching the DOD programs about Peter as time permits and always enjoy the story of the man on which Jesus said He would build His Church.

    Having watched a PBS show about Catholicism last week the commentator remarked about the celebration of naming the new Pope and how from their balcony there in Rome they could see the ruins from the old Roman Empire. That the successors to the Roman Empire have all died out and faded into history, whereas there in the person of the new Pope was the successor to Peter. That even though Christians were persecuted and killed for their faith, their heritage had endured where Rome’s had not. Christianity won, just as God has always intended.

    Just for the record, I am not a catholic and not advocating Catholicism just remaking about how marvelous that the Church has endured the test of time in spite of everything that comes against her. That the keys to heaven and hell are entrusted to her. To me this idea goes well above the study and attention of the feasts of Israel, except for the reminder of how we have come to where we are with God.


  47. poohpity says:

    So Steve since you find the discussion of the Fall Festivals as “not having energy to carry a long discussion with this group” or worthy of “study and attention” you have determined to change the subject to the Catholic Church and Catholicism which in a recent quote from Pope Benedict XVI, September 29, 2011, He seemed to elude to the importance of these festivals by this “The Pope’s message included the wish that “these important feasts may be an occasion for many blessings from on high, and a source of infinite grace.” He said: “May God in His goodness protect the Jewish community and allow us to deepen our friendship, both here in Rome and all over the world”.”

    Also the “That the keys to heaven and hell are entrusted to her” I think you are referring to the Catholic Church but indeed this is what Jesus said to Peter in Mathew 16:19 which over the years has been a cause of debate as to whether Jesus was referring to church discipline (Matthew 18:15-18), the authority to announce that sins can be forgiven (John 20:23) or the message of salvation found in God’s Word (Acts 15:7-9). The religious leaders thought they had those keys and tried to shut some out so Jesus was rebuking them. Which all essentially point back to the reason that the fall festivals are celebrated.

  48. poohpity says:

    ooops I meant Matthew 16:19 not Mathew 16:19. :-) Sorry I messed up again.

  49. SFDBWV says:

    Yes pooh it looks as if you messed up again.


  50. poohpity says:

    Did I mess up by quoting what you said, Steve? I was referring to scripture spelling. I wonder what Mart feels like when someone says his topics are not worth our thoughts, attention or time given to discuss them? I know how I would feel and if considering that, I have messed up again, I ask for forgiveness. Goes to show ya, I am just a mess. I guess I better go on what Thumper from Bambi says, “If ya can’t say sumthin nice, don’t say sumthin at all”.

  51. florida7sun says:

    My home church posted this quote on its Facebook page today: “In darkness there is no choice. It is light that enables us to see the differences between things; and it is Christ who gives us light.” – Hare

    I was thinking how blessed we are to have His Word and then apply it to daily living. Our eyes are open, and we grow by putting His truths into action. In the fullness of time, God revealed His Precious Son. In the fullness of time, He reveals all Truth.

    “It is the light that enables us to see the differences between things; and it is Christ who gives us light.”

  52. oneg2dblu says:

    Maybe I’ve got it all wrong too, but when Christ said, Upon this *rock* I will build my church, He was not refering to Peter, or any other man, or Pope, or any religious position created by man. He was refering only to the revealing words of Peter, through the Holy Spirit did He recognize the Divinity of Christ, which can only be given by God.
    I wonder if that revelation is found in those Feasts?
    The church of Christ is built upon that very revelation, not man’s worldly creation, but only by the Faith in Christ, which comes from God alone.

    Everything else man does is religion, but it was the Relationship that Peter saw in Christ, that builds His Church.
    Christ never gave His Church a denominational name. Man does all that religious stuff quite well on his own, and it has separated us all for years. Just as history repeats itself through man, even here today. I don’t know about you, but when something repeats on me, it also leaves a bad taste in my mouth, so I stop consuming it, or it will consume me with all its bad tasting distraction.
    I saw a great message today about Forgiveness and it may apply.
    Forgiveness is not giving the person who wronged you, what they really deserve. Or something like that…Gary

  53. bratimus says:

    As i read what Steve wrote how Pope looks out to see the old ruins of the Roman empire. The phrase abomination of desolation came to mind. What is spoken of in Daniel. Jesus speaking of it in Matthew 24:15

  54. davids says:

    Pity, another example of misunderstanding. I read Steve’s posting and found it quite interesting. He is saying that for the Church, “That the keys to heaven and hell are entrusted to her.”

    He does not seem to mean the Catholic Church, but us, the church.

    It is sad to see people continually taking offense and going on the attack, instead of giving the benefit of leniency and understanding. It sometimes seems that people here cannot express opinions and observations, but only give simplistic platitudes of faith.

  55. bratimus says:

    I just shared a thought that came to my mind, when i read part of someones post. I thought thats is what you did in conversations is to share your thoughts. I thought in a free society your able to share and ezpress yourself with out being prescuted everytime you write or open your mouth.

    Steve wrote how the current pope had acknowledge and had good wordss for the jewish feast. The Pope also acknowledgwes and has good words for many other religions.

    the world is starting not to have room for free thinkers, and if you dont think like the group in charge theres just no room for you.

  56. foreverblessed says:

    Davids, that is a pity, but we can also see this as a training ground, to learn not to do these thins. I hope we first ask what people mean to say, instead of jumping to conclusions. And if someone assumes something you did not mean to say, it is also good to learn not to be offended so easily, but quietly explaining what you were trying to say.

    Yes there are churches who keep the Festivals from the bible as Holy Days.
    I learned a bit late in my life, that in Jesus all has been fulfilled, better too late then not at all.
    And quess what, I now come across many evangelical and penticostal christians who go back in keeping these days holy. I give them a study from Galatians and especially Colossians, that the keeping of days, Paul calls them: basic principles of the world, that is time and matter, special days are about time, special food is matter.
    Galatians 4:3-4 and whole chaptre.
    Colossians 2:6-7,8
    These are people who have Jesus, who live in faith, who have prayed for people, and they were healed, or freed from sinful ties. And they go back to keeping of days. And that is time consuming: you cannot go out into the world to go after the lost, when at every friday night you have to have your house clean, and bread baken, and candles litt. (We never did these things, they are not in the bible, these are rituals the Jews have developed in thousands of years).
    And you know what Paul says about these things:
    With Paul I ask: Galatians 4:9,10,11
    Colossians 2:20
    and the best motive: they lack any value in restraining sensual indulgence Gal 2:22
    I find that statement fascinating, these things do not help us in conquering our old human nature. (That is only done in faith in Christ as our Saviour, and with the help of the Holy Spirit saying no to sin.)
    But none did listen to me. They were too much into it already. And it is thrilling to do all these things that are thousands years old. It is magical, mystical. Better not at all to start with it, as not to get encaptured by them.

    Having been freed from all these rituals, we are free to go into the world, and go after the lost as the Holy Spirit leads us. We are not bound to special days, nor special food. These things make it difficult to mingle.

    But if someone wants to celebrate, and worship Jesus, He being the central Theme, the Victor, maybe it is possible to do that? I have yet to find somebody who does so. Who stays free in Christ.

  57. SFDBWV says:

    Here within the confines of a group of people we should indeed be able to express our thoughts without fear of being ostracized by any individual ever.

    If my thoughts are of another subject it should be up to each reader’s option to decide the validity of the matter. This goes for everyone not just me.

    Sometimes when a subject bogs down and there just isn’t participation going on, a discussion change is a good way to get people talking again.

    I appreciate bratimus and davids comments very much as they are correct in what they say.

    Mart wants us to be gracious to each other and he is right, we of all people should treat other people with respect for their feelings.

    Anger is a cancer it spreads from its origin into other parts of whatever group it resides in. I always have the option of stopping anger when directed towards me or perpetuating it.

    This morning I choose to be grateful that we can come together and hopefully learn how to be civil toward each other and if practiced enough perhaps even learn to love one another as we allow each of us to be who we are and express it.

    For if we love one another we would never want to hurt another’s feelings or publicly debase them.


  58. oneg2dblu says:

    Good morning Steve… there is an old adage that says:
    “If they knew better they would do better.”
    Perhaps it is closer to, “You have not because you ask not.”
    If perfected bodies were on this side of heaven, this problem we all know exists because of our imperfection, which sometimes finds its best moment in faulting others.
    Kind of like craving the very food you are allergic to.
    Addictive and harmful all in one grand expression.
    Thank God, He has not given up on us.
    There are no accidental meetings, and this is where we meet to grow one another, directed by many different veiws coming to light, and redirected by Him if we shine with our well polished parts exposed, and our rough edges sometimes get in the way.
    We are all here because something has led us here, holds us here, and is still perfecting us.
    To Him be the Glory! Gary

  59. SFDBWV says:

    I have always read that the actual birth of Jesus was somewhere around the last week of September, I believe somewhere around the 24th.

    I was wondering if the feasts of Israel shed any light on this.

    Foreverblessed may be able to have some knowledge on this, my information comes from Daniels exact prediction of the birth and death dates of the Messiah.


  60. oneg2dblu says:

    bratimus… could it be that the world is consumed by free thinkers… like all roads now lead to Heaven?
    Just a thought… maybe the close-minded thinkers are the ones who can shut out all the world’s noise, and remain focussed on the main thing, that narrow minded pursuit that says, Jesus Christ is the Light of the World! I guess everything boils down to one’s personal perspective, and we all have one! Now if only we all only had the same perspective… Gary

  61. oneg2dblu says:

    Here is an after thought… If we each shine our light, and all our light comes together in One Great form of Illumination, the entire darkened world would see it,
    as Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ! But, we have not come together yet, we stand on old and new traditions, religions and such, we are not yet bound together as one volume, as much as we stand alone in our different books.
    My Prayer is this… “Please help us Lord, to see the value in the greater binding, that you alone, can bring to any collection of thoughts. Gary

  62. florida7sun says:

    With observance of Yom Kippur it was interesting to read that “Jewish tradition teaches that every Jew bears a measure of responsibility for the actions of other Jews.” – About.com (“What is Yom Kippur?)

    It brings to my mind the importance of Paul’s teaching in Ephesians; most especially “Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other, just as in Christ God forgave you.” – Ephesians 4:32

    “The Jewish concept of sin is not like the Christian concept of original sin. Rather, it’s the kind of everyday offenses like hurting those we love…

    “You can clearly see examples of these infractions in the Yom Kippur liturgy, for instance in this excerpt from Al Khet:

    For the sin that we have committed under stress or through choice; For the sin that we have committed in stubbornness or in error; For the sin that we have committed in the evil meditations of the heart; For the sin that we have committed by word of mouth; For the sin that we have committed through abuse of power; For the sin that we have committed by exploitation of neighbors; For all these sins, O God of forgiveness, bear with us, pardon us, forgive us!”

    In today’s ODB offering I was blessed by Cindy Hess Kasper about the importance of letting our light shine.

    We need to be connected at all times to the wellspring of living water, the source of all power, for He said: “Blessed are the merciful, for they will be shown mercy.” – Matthew 6:14

    Grace and peace to all, Ray

  63. oneg2dblu says:

    If there is “one thing” I’m still learning here. it is this… I sometimes read into others words, what i want to see for myself, as if those were the actual words spoken, because they fit better in my mind than the words that I am reading.
    My problem is this… the Holy Spirit does that very thing, every time i grow in the Word, it is because He shows me what fits better in my mind.
    To quote someone else, “We do not hear what we do not understand.”
    So then comes the syllogism of someone’s words we do not see properly, as we ask or claim for ourselves, a place that fits us.
    Those Feasts should seem to fit the Jew in us perfectly, but our Christianity can get in the way! Gary

  64. bratimus says:

    I thought it was all Roads lead to Rome, but the path to heaven is only through Christ

  65. oneg2dblu says:

    bratimus…IMHO this is not according to the modern universal religions of man who feel all ways are leading to a common place, but they do not see Christ as that only road or way. Unless, I do not understand them, which is okay with me right now, for the road I am on has only one direction, as it is One Way!
    Those who seek this Rome you speak of, to me they are just “blindly roaming around,” PUN, and not finding the One True Path to Heaven, But those are just my words, and who knows what others will read into them. Gary

  66. phpatato says:

    Thank you Ray. I especially liked reading your post from this morning.

  67. foreverblessed says:

    Steve, you asked about the day of birth of Jesus. (Thanks for keeping up with the topic, I like this theme very much, as you have noticed)
    I would not know the date in the Roman calendar.
    But in the Jewish calendar that would be predictable:
    As He died on the 14th of Nisan, the first Festival of the Spring, He might have been born on a Festival Day too. The most likely would be the Day of Trumpets, that is on the first day of the 7th month, called Tishri Leviticus 23:23. Since we have a sun calendar, and the bible calendar is a moon calendar, it is hard to say which day that would have been. Somewhere september/october. It is not even known exactly which year Jesus died. I would choose a year when the 14th of Nisan fell on a wednesday. Then Jesus would have fulfilled the sign of Jonah, being in the grave 3 days and 3 nights.

    The first month of the Jewish calendar starts on the new moon in spring, could be march or april.
    This year the day of Trumpets, or Rosh Hashanna, was on wedenesday 29 september. You can see it, as there was a new moon. The Festival of Booths is from day 15 8 days, then it is always full moon. Bright light at night at the Festival, very handy. Logical thinking that was in the planning.

    It is most likely He was born in the Fall, there would have been no counting of people during wintertime. As Joseph and Mary had to travel so far as to go to the place of their ancestors Luke 2:1-7.
    It was good PR thinking of the first christian emperor, Constantine the Great, to make the heathen days christian days: Christmas. He used religion to make his kingdom one, instead of leaving everybody free in what days to keep, it now was regulated from Rome, and they were quite dominant in this. I have my reservations about this roman church, as it became a world power, and used force to have their will done. While Paul writes to leave everybody free in their celebrations. Romans 14:5,6
    We live for God, whatever we do, keeping this day or that day or none at all. We give Him thanks, and not to forget be joyful, the joy that is given through the Holy Spirit.

  68. bruce7 says:

    If we Bible teachers are to be consistent then we need to recognize that the Sabbath carries the same authority and practice requirements as the feasts. This means also that the punitive measures called for for not complying are also to be exercised. In most cases this is death. This is the fallacy of trying to make the Jewish feasts a contemporary requirement for observance. Again, this also calls for observing the Sabbath which beyoond question has the equivalency of the feasts. Bruce Kohfield

  69. oneg2dblu says:

    Bruce… I have two Holidays on my personal calender, they repeat themselves several times a year. One is the Sabath, a day I have chosen to set aside, and the other the Sacrament of Communion, which is that part commanded by Christ, to be set aside in Remeberance of Him.
    My daily planner has only one really important appointment… to constantly be with Him, and that seems to repeat itself as well! Gary

  70. Bob in Cornwall England says:

    Thanks for answer to Steve above as it makes a great deal of sense.
    I have been taught for years that the death of Jesus must have been on a Wednesday and that it was a special feast year.
    I can only think it was a Jubilee (49th-50th) year when the feast of trumpets has a very special significance in the release of prisoners/slaves and debt.
    That all fits with God’s plan for us.
    I would not be supprised if Jesus return also coincided with this feast and also a Jubilee year.
    We do not know the day or hour, but He told us to look for the signs of the season.
    The actual cycle of Jubilee years has been lost over the years and with the various calanders used by Prophets, Kings and Conquerers, so know one can realy know and count it back to Moses’s time.
    Your last comment also blessed me as I missed church today and felt a peace from God as we are not to be in bondage to any form of religious time table and that includes our confusion of Sunday with the Sabath.

    “We live for God, whatever we do, keeping this day or that day or none at all. We give Him thanks, and not to forget be joyful, the joy that is given through the Holy Spirit.”

    Love and miss you!


  71. poohpity says:

    Hey Bob. How have you been? It is so good to hear from you!! Hope all is well. You are certainly love and missed. Deb

  72. foreverblessed says:

    Hello Bob, it is good to hear from you again, what you wrote brought joy to my heart! We are here to encourage one another. Not hearing means that you must have found a place, in the stillness alone with God, and in your local church.
    God bless you, and keep you strong!

  73. Bob in Cornwall England says:


    you are right!

    I have found that place in the stillness with God, and the Holy Spirit is at work in our church and in me.

    “Be still and know that I Am (is) God”

    Even though my finances are still in turmoil my Peace is in Jesus and though the storms rage around me I am calm looking at Him and walking on the waters of life.

    Take care!


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