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A Shared Frustration

Some themes keep coming up in our conversations regardless of where a post begins.

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For some time now I’ve been preoccupied with the thought that every proverb, prediction, song, and story in the Bible needs to be read first for what it is– God breathed writing to and through people living in ancient times; and then, in turn, as words that are helping to tell the story of the Living Word– as He lives in and through His people today.

In that sense, we keep coming back to two basic ideas related to the Scriptures and Christ. One idea sounds something like, “Let’s be careful how we use the Bible to quote a God who spoke in different ways to other people living a long time ago.” The second idea is, “Let’s read and reflect on the inspired Scriptures with the goal of seeing how they lead us beyond themselves to the Messiah, Son, Savior and Lord whose story they tell.”

The result, beyond the complexity of important theological formulations etc., is a focus on a Person, God in the Flesh, who has come to save us from our sins and lead us into a life of loving others, as he has loved us.

Now back to where this started. Another theme that has been resurfacing from one of the friends of this blog is that Christ didn’t come to leave us in our sins. That’s something I think all of us agree with. We also agree that, as we live in Christ (“abide in him”), we are changed. I haven’t heard anyone in prior conversations arguing that those who are “in Christ” can now honor their Savior, or make something good of their life by continuing to live as if they had never met Him.

So how can we respond to a thoughtful friend who feels alone in arguing for a life of vigilant concern and change because the rest are not giving enough attention to the fact that the Scriptures also say that those who fall away will not inherit the kingdom of God? If such a comment doesn’t resonate with others could it be (at least in part) that none of us are trying to defend or reassure the person who denies Jesus as Lord while living a life of self-serving indulgence.

But what about the question that is being pressed? Under any circumstances, can persons who were once “in Christ “lose their salvation” by denying in word and life that Jesus is Lord? On this point of radical departure, there is longstanding disagreement in the Body of Christ. Yet most agree that the warning passages of Hebrews etc are not about whether careless, distracted, or immature children of God are in danger of losing all that they had in Christ. The issue is whether those passages are saying that those who willingly turn their back on Christ can lose their salvation.

Interestingly, the same warnings say that if some do “fall away”, they cannot be “renewed again to repentance.” Yet, I don’t know of anyone who would say to one who “comes back to Christ” after a long time of “being away”, “Sorry friend, you’ve lost your chance to be accepted by Christ and his family.”

So do we really have a disagreement worth pursuing? No one here, that I can tell, is arguing for a life that doesn’t reflect Christ

Since most of us seem to recognize how far short we fall of constant focus on Christ; and how shabbily we live and love as he did, let’s keep doing what we do best– use every part of the Scriptures, together with our own stories,  to cultivate our relationship with the truth of Christ, and the love for others that reflects our relationship with him.

Sorry this has gotten so long. But didn’t think it was helping to ignore the tension and themes that keep surfacing in these posts.

Let’s continue to use all of the Scriptures to think about all of life in a way that brings us together (even in our differences) rather than driving us apart.

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39 Responses to “A Shared Frustration”

  1. jam200 says:

    Thanks for Mart for an intriguing presentation this morning. I write from Calgary, Alberta and am preparing to pick-up two students from Teen Challenge and drive to church for our presentation and sermon.

    Alot to think about in your blog. I’d like to start by adding that the Word of God is also alive today and provides insight, teaching and reproof for men and women around the world. It is important to understand the context of the original time including the language, etc, and the application for that time.

    I think we also need to acknowledge the ability of God’s Word to be a two-edged sword for our lives today.

    God is the only one who will know if a person has lost their salvation. Our responsibility is to proclaim Christ through our testimony and love of and for others. I thank God for the warnings and hope that I never fall away from Him.

    Thanks for presenting this again so we can see how God wants us to respond. Off to Church.

  2. remarutho says:

    Good Morning Mart & Friends!

    There must always be a provision in such a discussion: It is not we, the body of Christ, who settle these matters here in the world. When the sky is rolled up and time ends, whether an individual is in Christ or not in Christ will be shown. That judgment is final. Not only do we not settle the matter – we are not able to know the matter, nor the outcome.

    Mart, you wrote:

    “The warning passages of Hebrews, etc, are not about whether careless, distracted, or immature children of God are in danger of losing all that they had in Christ. The issue is whether those passages are saying that those who willingly turn their back on Christ can lose their salvation.”

    I agree with you that the inheritance we have in Christ’s love, his sacrifice and his resurrection, cannot be changed in any way. There are many passages that declare Christ’s sovereignty and power over ultimate reality. Since you mention Hebrews, consider (Hebrews 10:10).

    Whether an individual can turn their back on Christ, we must determine the best we can by that person’s witness, behavior, teaching and preaching – the overall lifestyle. Remember, the Lord turned Saul of Tarsus back from a deadly path of denying the working of God by the Holy Spirit in the Christian church of the day. I would not like to see the church return to an inquisition of any kind, in order to judge. Church law should expel those who are teaching in opposition to God’s Word, by a sinful lifestyle or heresy.

    Jesus taught that any sin can be forgiven except the sin of blasphemy against the Spirit. (Matthew 12:31) I believe that a person or group would have to purposefully and maliciously teach in direct opposition to the Word of God, trying to cause others to be damned, in order to qualify as blaspheming the Holy Spirit. (Matthew 12:32)

    Persons and fellowships who follow Christ need to be daily in the Word of God (The Holy Bible) because familiarity with the truth will shield us from being duped by gnostic or other pagan teachings.


  3. yooperjack says:

    Mart: Don’t apologize I’ve been hoping you would step in and put closer on this.

    This is what I mean by: “pick the roses and leave the thorns” Many for instance pick the rose Galatians 2:20 they love it but leave the thorn Galatians 2:21 they don’t want that. Many will say you’re saved by grace but brother lookout after you’re saved: “You better keep the law or you won’t be blessed or you won’t prosper or you’ll be sick all the time.” Some even say you’ll go to Hell. By the way there are many verses that tell us to repent (turn from our wicked way) but not many if any that demand us to confess all of our sins. Most of those verses are addressed to Christians. Maybe because it is impossible to confess all your sins and if you miss one you are guilty of them all.

    If we are out of fellowship with God, it will be us that turn our backs on God; God will not turn His back on us. The father looks at our saved perfect spirit through Jesus. He suffered the cup of wrath on the cross so I may be free from condemnation. We are the righteousness of the Father through His son Jesus. God is not mad at us anymore. This is not being arrogant it’s the Word of God.

    I believe that is why so many leave the “Church” they can’t take that kind of pressure put on them week after week. I had a young, new Christian friend that was thinking about ending his life because he had a problem with internet porno. The church put so much pressure on him. I told him to get rid of the computer or use it in the presents of others.

    Some sins are deep rooted and take time, love and much Bible study with understanding the Word through the Spirit within us, to overcome them. Been there done that. Remember a dead man can’t sin; so crucify that flesh daily. It does get easier with time; trust me.

    For a new Christian a good Bible preaching church is a must.

  4. yooperjack says:

    Just one other thing Mart: If a person has a change of heart, repents and surreners all, there is no looking back, their life style will change. Outside of brain damage I can’t see anyone wanting to go back to a misserable life or indulging in sin. I did it at age 19 but I did not fully understand surrender at age 17 when I was saved but still self centered. I was one misserable person when I turned my back on God. But God even used my bitterness towards Him to help my Christian friend. That is unconditional love.

  5. poohpity says:

    Faith and salvation are 2 different things. Salvation is a free gift offered to us and if we accept it then that is faith Eph 2:8-9. We can understand everything about Jesus and the bible that is an intellectual faith but a saving faith is developing a relationship with Jesus that is personal. If someone offers you a free gift and then takes it back that means it was not a gift after all it had strings attached to it. Just as the hand (faith) who accepts the gift (salvation) is different. Just because someone says they are a Christian does not make it so, just like standing in a garage makes one a car, you can tell by their fruit. Gal 5:22-23

    Can people abuse the gift, yes but I would venture to say that the hand that received it may have only had a head knowledge that has not yet had a chance to get to the heart. After accepting the gift will we be without sin, no but we will not make it a practice of our daily lives but when we do sin we know that we can confess it and be forgiven. 1 John 1:9

    Having a life of constantly trying to be good is a life lived in the flesh, one that is resting in the spirit understands that it is God alone who changes us and our desire is for God not striving to follow the law which Jesus was the only One who was capable of doing that and was the fulfillment of the Law.

  6. poohpity says:

    If a person were to accept the law as their life style then they would have their eyes on their self rather than on Christ. That can be seen with how much they talk about their self rather than on the redemptive work of Christ. They would seem to demand everyone else to pay attention to them than what the bible says or what Christ has done. They may also expect others to live a life with such high expectations they are doomed to fail that is a carnal Christian but I do not know how the two can ever be in the same sentence together both carnal and Christian are two totally different lifestyles. Carnal would be similar to the religious leaders who demanded everyone to follow the Law while they could not even recognize God in the flesh when He walked among them because they were so consumed with their status they looked down on any else. Those who demand others to follow the Law are those who also do not recognize Christ or what He did on the Cross so they would not be Christians at all.

  7. SFDBWV says:

    “Can persons who were once in Christ lose their salvation?”
    “On this point of radical departure, there is long standing disagreement in the Body of Christ”.

    Whereas Jesus taught us that it was right to leave the 99 and go after the 1 who is lost, I always accepted that to mean lost to sin and in danger of the hell fire. So it was safe to leave the 99 in the flock because they are safely being protected and cared for and no longer in any danger to be left alone. However the 1 who the shepherd goes after is not.

    I will say defiantly that anyone who once was in Christ is still in Christ. Not because of a single thing that this person does except by asking God for forgiveness and accepting Jesus to be the Christ, their personal savior.

    To believe that Jesus of Nazareth was born to the Virgin Mary by the power of the Holy Spirit.
    To believe that Jesus of Nazareth was crucified died and rose from the dead by His own power.
    To believe that Jesus of Nazareth is the Son of God.
    To believe Jesus of Nazareth in fact to be God.
    To accept my salvation as a gift from God.

    To believe in Jesus and to acknowledge Him is evidence of the Holy Spirit dwelling in me.

    No power in heaven or earth can separate me from the love of God, and that includes the insane ramblings of someone who cannot understand it.

    However if we are to take up the longstanding disagreements found in the body of Christ, why stop at salvation? Why not take up the arguments of the Watchtower Society, and the Mormons? Why not argue the differences between Catholicism and Protestantism?

    Why stop there, why not take up the argument for Buddhism and Hinduism? And while at it lets get into studying the Koran.

    I personally Mart would like for you to state your own personal feelings on the matter of whether one can lose their salvation or not.

    My stand has been said before and in case anyone missed it here it is…”No man can lose what they never earned, for salvation can never be earned. Once a person is saved they remain safe in Jesus Christ, their misconduct that “will” follow only means a loss of rewards, not their salvation”.


  8. yooperjack says:

    Steve: I like that last pargragh.

    And also, we are sealed by the Holy Spirit. Praise God.

  9. bratimus says:

    Matthew 12:31-32 (NKJV)

    31 “Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men. 32 Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.

    So what is speaking against the Holy Spirit?

  10. Bob in Cornwall England says:

    When I was about 11 years old I wrecked my sisters tape recorder, reel to reel in those days, I prayed to god as a child, I had little knowledge of Jesus, and said… “Please fix this tape recorder for me and I will give you the rest of my life.”
    The next day the tape recorder worked fine.
    Now I belong to Jesus,
    He never ever let me go after that point in time.
    I met Him when I was 15 and He has never let me go since.
    Once saved always saved!!!!!


  11. Bob in Cornwall England says:

    I have strayed and gone my own way lots of times, but just as He said He would, He followed me and rescued me from the pit of hell.
    His promise to us is “I WILL NEVER LEAVE YOU OR FORSAKE YOU”
    Our answer to Him is “ThankYou”


  12. Bob in Cornwall England says:

    I love you Jesus!

  13. Bob in Cornwall England says:

    But, with respect intended, When and if I sin(lots), then I know full well I have done wrong.
    I don’t sin deliberately but often my flesh gets the better of me.
    Jesus knew that, Paul knew that and so do I.
    How do we justify our selves?
    Luckily we don’t, as we are Justified in Christ!!

    Praise God!

  14. yooperjack says:

    Bratimus: Checkout (Acts 7: 51) Resisting and rejecting the Holy Spirits call to accept the free gift of salvation is the only unforgiving sin I know of. Hope I said that right?

  15. foreverblessed says:

    Thank you Bob, God bless you!
    Mart, I was very legalistic myself, for years, but now I am soooo happy that I can shout out loud: I am saved by Grace, and I am not under the Law, I am Jesus’ own possession.
    My concern is more for the christians who have been saved but who do not enjoy their freedom in Christ, they are still slave to the law, to the uncertainty of being saved at all, worrying for not being good enough. The only thing is, praying for them, because it is a miracle to be able to shout out loud that the saving is free, we are free in Christ to do His will. And I want to be able to say so without having to add another jot or title to it.
    Free in Christ, lets celebrate it in singing and praising our Lord and Saviour, He is Lord and Master of my soul, and heart and body. I am His Temple, He comes in, and dines with Me. Psalm 23:1,2,3,4,5,6

  16. bratimus says:


    So resisting the Holy spirit in ones own life is speaking against the Holy Spirit.

  17. poohpity says:

    I have also experienced accepting Christ at age nine and walking away only to find God never letting go of me. Since the beginning of time God created us to have a relationship with Him and we can see through all the ages that God has not ever given up on us to be reconciled to Him and before Christ the sacrifices of animals were offered to bring us that reconciliation but they had to be offered over and over again. Christ offered the final sacrifice, it was finished.

    Reconciliation is unearned 2 Cor 5:19 NLT Jesus exchanged Himself for the consequences of our sins. Heb 2:14-17 NLT; Romans 5:10 NLT. My responsibility is to tell the world of this reconciliation 2 Cor 5:20-21.

  18. yooperjack says:

    I hate those thorns bratimus Acts 7:51 is the referance they gave in my NKJV so I assumed that is what it means.

    I think rejecting Christ is the only unforgiven sin. That is my undestanding anyway.

    If you have a Ryrie study Bible he gives a long explanation in the foot notes. Check it out.

  19. yooperjack says:

    bratimus: If you do a conprahensive study on those verses keep in mind the gospels are mostly Old Testament. The Holy Spirit was’nt given to us till Jesus died. I settled the meaning of those verses in my mind long time ago and am sure I am not guilty of there charge. I should’nt have posted on this in the first place. My mistake.

  20. bratimus says:


    Peter denied Christ three times, that is a form of rejection. Christ forgave him.

  21. yooperjack says:

    bratimus: Halley’s Bible Handbook has a long explanation too.

  22. yooperjack says:

    bratimus: That was Old Testament.

  23. bill34sl says:

    The dispensation of the Holy Spirit in the New Testament time is uniquely different from that of the Old. In the Old Testament time, God sent His Holy Spirit on people He chose, so as to interact with them, bring about His will, and warn the people of the consequences of their wrongdoings. His Holy Spirit then, once dwelt on a person could also leave that person depending on his attitude and state of mind. A good example was King Saul. 1 Samuel 10:10 told us that the Spirit of God came powerfully upon Saul. Then in 1 Samuel 16:14 we read that the Spirit of the Lord has departed from Saul. David saw all of these and became worried that he prayed to God “Do not cast me from your presence, or take your Holy Spirit from me” (Psalm 51:11). God heard him.
    After Jesus completed the redemption plan for mankind, sometime later, the Holy Spirit descended onto his disciples in the first Pentecost. And thereafter, the Holy Spirit dwells in each believer as he or she is added into the Church. Earlier, Jesus mentioned to His disciples that God the Father will place His seal of approval on each one who would believe on the Son of Man (John 6:27). That seal as we know is the Holy Spirit. As one mentioned earlier, each Christian is sealed with the Holy Spirit. A seal serves as a guarantee that a special purpose has to be done and completed on the sealed object, as in “signed, SEALED, delivered”. Once Saved, Always Saved applies to all Christians in this Age of Grace. In John 6:39 Jesus said “It is the will of the One who sent me, that I shall lose NONE of all those He has given me”. Steve mentioned about the “one lost sheep” among the ninety-nine. Yes, our Lord will go all the way to save that one, even to the point of leaving the ninety-nine for a while just to fulfill the will of the Father of saving us all. But what about Hebrews 6:4-6? When Paul talked about a possible “falling away”, he was just telling us a scenario and didn’t mean it really happened. But just the same, warning us is better than not. Yooperjack is absolutely right to say that rejecting the Holy Spirit to accept the free gift of salvation is an unpardonable sin. Even so, once sealed with the Holy Spirit, a person can still very much sin out of weaknesses because our sin nature is still glued to us. But as Pooh mentioned, we have to confess our sins so as to restore our relationship with God our Father. When our sons and daughters did something wrong and upset us, of course the relationship is strained, but we still love them. When they come to us and say, “Dad, Mom, I’m sorry I made you upset, it’s my fault, do as you please”. Is not the relationship restored?

  24. davids says:

    I wrote a few weeks ago that I did not necessarily disagree with some points made on this blog, only with the fact that they are constantly being brought up – no matter the topic. So now it is the topic. I’ll try to be brief.

    Jesus has the final say over anything else written in the Bible. I believe that he made two important statements about our relationship with the law and with God.

    In the Sermon on the Mount, he extended the law. Not only was adultery a sin, but even lust. Not only was murder a sin, but even anger. He taught us that the spirit behind the commandments were the true law. In that case, I sin daily, I cannot help myself, and I am in constant need of redemption.

    This does not mean that I should not try to live in the spirit of God’s will, otherwise how can I say that I love God?

    The second statement was when Jesus’ disciples asked him how many times they should forgive their brother. Since ancient people didn’t know 3rd grade math, his reply “70 times 7”, meant an uncountable number. I think this is not only refers to how many times we should forgive each other, but how many times God forgives us.

    My relationship with others cannot be made straight if we do not continually ask and grant forgiveness. My relationship with God is the same. Thankfully, he never withholds his forgiveness.

  25. bratimus says:

    Peter dening Christ three times is the Old Testament Huh?

    Matthew 12:31-32 are Jesus own words and it is stated

    “In this Age and the Age to come.” at the end.

  26. poohpity says:

    If people trample under foot the “Spirit of Grace” by expecting people to live under the law. Heb 10:29 then that is committing a sin against the Spirit and profaning Jesus’ redemptive work.

  27. BruceC says:

    I agree with others that rejecting the work Of Christ and not believing in Him is the only sin not to be forgiven. If someone shows you the way out of a house fire and you willingly take another you are at fault.
    Jesus sufered immeasureably, went to the cross and died, and bore my sins; all out of His love for me. A love that no person can fully describe nor totally comprehend. He loved me enough to do that; then why would he let me slip through His fingers. He who created all things for His glory is able to keep me!!! Praise His Holy Name!!

    Great post Steve; I have nothing to add to that.
    And I pray we can all keep on topic in the future.

    Soli Deo Gloria!

  28. yooperjack says:

    bill34sl: Fantastic post.

  29. oneg2dblu says:

    Dear Brothers and sisters in Christ, We are talking here about one of the most debated, and contested points of the faith about salvation’s complexity as being a never totally settled doctrine throughout the entire Body of Christ. So please allow some grace to fall on others here, who do not see your Once Saved Always Saved position as their belief system. Please don’t take this issue lightly by putting down any other possibility, just because you in your “human understanding” are convinced that you know the right way. The Word of God has many times repeated for us,” All a man’s ways seem right to him, but in the end lead to death.”
    Unless you are an insane rambler, who by the way would of course be scot- free, but now we need to tolerate it because our Steve has so lovingly uttered that dietribe into this conversation by his own well founded judgtment, you had better let God do the final judging on this issue, as it seems to befall each believer to his own God-given ability to find for himself through God’s leading, which is the real uncontested Work of the Holy Spirit, as I understand it!
    Those who do not agree with OSAS, may just have the God-given right and leading to do so.
    Personally, I only care about what others think, but rather what God has shown me personally for myself to be my beliefs in Him, and in His form of Salvation for me. It is a very personal conviction that the utter ramblings of another man I will not mention by name, cannot alter, or destroy.
    Who appointed you Once Saved Always Saved believers to defy that possibility, for others?
    I do not believe it is God that speaks for or against, other possibilities for Him. He is the final Authority and has complete voice on this issue, and man is but a pale flirting speck of dust with all his ramblings about how he sees others, and God’s only plan for Salvation.
    It doesn’t matter what you think you believe, but ultimately what God thinks about your beliefs, for
    He is the one who has the authority to put your soul wherever He wants for Eternity. Pray for that God to show you His favor, because in your humanity you may just choose wrongly. That is a possibility for any of us! The word of God declares, from the Garden right on to Revelation, that mankind has always made wrong choices.
    We all use our advanced intellect, our own conscience, with our limited cognizant ability in the studying of God’s Word, using the teachings of modern man and the well presented doctrines of this modern church, that may well “not be” God’s choice. I question us all now by saying, “By who’s authority do “we decide for others,” whether what they believe is God’s will for them or not?

  30. yooperjack says:

    Hi Gary: We’er all just as saved are’nt we? No one has lost their salvation, have they? God knows our heart.

  31. poohpity says:

    Then as you say Gary let us who believe in OSAS continue down that path and if you chose to be able to lose your salvation you have every right to continue down that path. No more frustration about bringing it into every topic. We then can continue but one thing we can hold on to is that Christ died for our sins, past, present and future. Those who chose not to trample on the grace of God but hold it as something very dear will live their lives out of gratitude for what was done for us by holding tight to our God and Savior depending on His life lived through us to tell others the Good News that someone loved them so much He took the punishment for their sins. Those who choose to live under the law will die under the law and while they watch every step they take so they will not commit a sin that will not be forgiven the rest of us can serve the Lord in freedom out of love and thankfulness. Sharing with others the grace and mercy we have been shown without sitting in judgment or condemnation under the law.

    You are so correct in saying we have no right to decide for others what they will believe that is between them and God. Does that mean that you will now let us alone to believe what we choose and not bring it into every conversation for us to believe the way you do?

  32. poohpity says:

    Job 17-20 Day 8

    Day 9–Job 21-23

  33. remarutho says:

    Hello Mart and Friends —

    Mart, you have asked:

    “So do we really have a disagreement worth pursuing? No one here, that I can tell, is arguing for a life that doesn’t reflect Christ”

    I heard a good comparison last evening: “When you are driving into the light, you see all the bugs on the windshield — when you are driving away from the light, you say, ‘My windshield is fine.'”

    It seems to me we are all welcome to rejoice in the Light — giving praise and glory to Him — encouraging one another to journey toward the light of the Lord. If we see bugs (flaws, faults, need of washing), they are our own. (Luke 6:41)

    Thank-you, Mart, that you graciously host this blog and raise topics for learning and honest exchange of thoughts and ideas — leading to faith in Christ. I am convinced you welcome those who truly search the Scriptures. I am hoping your encouragement to read the Bible will reach those of us who have not yet done so. I appreciate your perseverance! (2 Timothy 3:16, 17)


  34. Mart De Haan says:

    Thanks, Maru, and all. Am going to try and post something a little later this morning that reflects some of the wider issues. Let’s not push this one any further right now. There are some other considerations that are more to the point of what we all are dealing with.

  35. oneg2dblu says:

    I consider that our present sufferings are not worth comparing with the glory the will be revealed in us.
    The creation waits in eager expectation for the sons of God to be revealed. For the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the glorious freedom of the children of God. We know that the whole creation han been groaning as in pains of childbrith right up to the present time.
    Not only so, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for our adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies. For in the hope we were saved. But hope that is seen is no hope at all? Who hopes for what he already has? But if we hope for what we do not yet have, we wait for it patiently. “Enough said?”

  36. oneg2dblu says:

    To my Fellow Bloggers…It has grown me and blessed me much to be among you, those who already have their salvation. Although I will still wait patiently, with much anticipation, hope and prayer, what that I do not fall into that tempation. For the spirit is willing, but the body is weak! Gary

  37. oneg2dblu says:

    Mart… I love this particular topic, and that picture of the that little Beagle, as he so diligenty pulls on that lace. I trust each of us here, in our own special and gifted way, try to pull each other toward the goal of Christ, Who is the Way! Would that not really be His Will for us all? Gary

  38. foreverblessed says:

    Praise God, that all of us accept the gift of redemption through the precious blood of Christ, the Son of God, born of a virgin, now seated at the right hand of God, and leading us through the Holy Spirit, who quides us into all truth.
    My heart goes out to all who say this is a fairy tale, not to be taken seriously. Please God show us the way.

  39. oneg2dblu says:

    yooperjack… you say that some here keep the roses, but throw out the thorns. I say that each one of us, who must take our trip down the Via Dolorosa of Life, which then becomes our journey of both what we carry, and what are crowed with, if we choose to walk with Him.
    I could be rushing my way through the bible in one year, but I’m still walking “His Way” slowly through the Book of Romans, where He is blessing my socks off!
    Thank you for your leading me there, an above all I thank Him that He knows how to properly pace me,one step at a time. That is how I learn to walk in the best way for me…Gary

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