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Christ and the Data gods

Israel Museum Apple Sculpture

The good news of our age is that information is king. Knowledge rules. So by desktop, smartphone, or tablet, we have instant global access to the exploding journalistic, scientific, and commercial data of the world—sort of.

The challenge is that we have a bit of an issue getting past the unnerving discovery that every question seems to have alternative answers, each of which uses the available data to support a different economic theory, biblical interpretation, or political agenda.

From ancient times the problem has always been that only fools dismiss the need for knowledge and understanding. Yet, who can deny that the Solomons of the world too often end up making late night comedians sound like the real wise guys.

The Apostle Paul probably seems more prophetic now than in the day that he wrote about those who were always learning but never able to come to the knowledge of the truth (2Tim 3:7).  He had seen the way the Greek philosophers and intellectual gossips of Mars Hill were obsessed with being at a place where they could always hear or say something new (Acts 17:21).

Have been wondering what he would think about my approach to Bible study, doctrine, and theology?

Seems that I’ve been around long enough now to see that any part of the Bible can be done to know Christ, his love, his joy, what hurts him, and why I need him– now (Phil 3:8-11). Or, as too often has been the case,  I can use any study of any part of the Bible in worship of the data gods, with the result that I may be the last to see what others are probably suspecting—that it’s been awhile since I’ve been with Christ (1Cor 13:1-3).

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70 Responses to “Christ and the Data gods”

  1. remarutho says:

    Good Morning Mart & Friends –

    Mart, you wrote:

    “The Apostle Paul probably seems more prophetic now than in the day that he wrote about those who were always learning but never able to come to the knowledge of the truth (2 Tim 3:7). He had seen the way the Greek philosophers and intellectual gossips of Mars Hill were obsessed with being at a place where they could always hear or say something new (Acts 17:21).”

    In the Random House dictionary published in 1954 the verb “convict” still carries the same (archaic) definition as “convince.” That definition is to “overcome or vanquish – or prove.” I do not hear commentators and pundits talking much about being convicted of anything, never mind sin. It is not sophisticated to be “overcome” by the immense holy Presence of our God, Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

    The spirit of our age will not be convinced, that is convicted of its sin. There is always an answer back, a contradiction or a question. In this we do resemble the Greeks and the Romans. They had become great philosophers, not people of faith. It was the Jews who supposedly upheld belief in God.

    Jesus told the story of the rich man and Lazarus, the beggar who lay at the gate of the rich man’s estate. When all was said and done, both Lazarus and the rich man were dead, with father Abraham. The final word to the hard-hearted religious leaders is: “If they do not listen to Moses and the prophets, neither will they be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.” (Luke 16:31)

    Paul teaches that “faith comes by what is heard, and what is heard comes through the word of Christ.” (Romans 10:17) There is more going on in this than a simple, fair hearing of Scripture. The word of Christ is the word of faith – the conviction of my own sinfulness – the witness of God’s overcoming grace and power. The arrow of God’s love finds its mark in the sinful heart and overcomes every objection. It is not popular to “die to self” in 2012.


  2. yooperjack says:

    For start: Money (wealth) rules.

  3. remarutho says:

    John 3:34, 35, 36 Jesus speaks the words of God.

  4. narrowpathseeker says:

    Mart, I have been reading your BTA tracts for several years now. I have to say that you are one of the very few theologians that I STILL believe is very Knowledgeable, humble, and in tune to Christ.

    When I think of ALL the Information in the bible, I am sometimes overwhelmed. I think about how anyone could possibly know for sure exactly what all meant or do ALL that we were supposed to do. Awhile back, I began to lean on “Love covers a multitude of sins” and started praying to be filled with that Love.

    I was very lifted by the following commentary.
    It is attributed to John Wesley, “Moses spent his first 40 years thinking he was somebody, his middle years finding out he was nobody, and his final years learning what God could do through a nobody” I think a humble demeanor may be a major prerequisite to that Love. I think I have finally learned that I am a nobody and I am quite happy about it(when I remember this).

  5. yooperjack says:

    How can we be a nobody if we are the children of the living God of the universe, the Lord of Lords and King of Kings. We are heirs and jiont heirs to the throne of God. We are the head not the tail. We are on top not on the bottom. How can you say you are a nobody. We have the living God living in our hearts.

    This is the problem, most Christians don’t know who they are in Christ.

  6. refump says:

    I was reading first John & in trying to understand what the “sin leading to death” was in chapter 5 I was reading different commentaries. Many of them used the term ” perhaps what he meant” and ” maybe he was saying” and ” according to this person he was saying this or according to that person he was saying that”. I thought to myself who is right & which interpitation should I choose. I thought isn’t t there any modern day commentaries that write in a way I can understand? Did God only reveal the mysteries of His Word to only 17 th century Christians? I came to the conclusion that I needed to read God’s Word for myself & listen to what He reveals to me and convict/ convinces me of. To “KNOW HIM” & the personal relationship He wants to have with me & I with Him. I still have mostly questions & not a lot of answers but I find that this is my way of knowing Him. Aren’t we taught to ” work out our salvation”? A song I heard many years ago stated ” people talk about you and the things youn wrote and they talk to you when their alone. people read about you in the book you wrote, but I want to know you, know you for myself” The whole song goes on to reinforce that the greatest thing is not to know about Him but ” Know him” in a personal way that is unique to us.

  7. SFDBWV says:

    Mart, I am struck by your frankness and bare honesty in the last sentence of your comments.

    Any of us that have accepted and followed Christ comes to dry patches in our walk; we suddenly feel alone and lost in all the noise and confusion of talk and discussion.

    As your scripture verse says it suddenly just sounds like *noise*.

    Mart I wish you could come and hang out here for a while and just rest from your work. We could feed the deer and birds and turn my backyard into a zoo again. Complain and marvel at the weather all in the same day, experience joy and sadness, success and failure and not try and answer the why questions of life, just live and take care of the concerns of the day.

    In one day here in my life and I can imagine in the lives of many who read this, the full spectrum of feelings and emotions are experienced every single day. Also continuously tested is my faith, not only by circumstances but by the ones I love the most.

    When it has all been said and done, what else can I do but get up each day and continue on, blindly trusting that God is in control not me and that no matter what, His will, will be done and I will hopefully be able to recognize that, and be some small part of it.

    Take a rest Mart, I feel concern for you, and seeing you on Day of Discovery I think you look tired and worn down and am, as I said, concerned.


  8. dja says:

    Amen, Steve.

    You wrote:”In one day here in my life and I can imagine in the lives of many who read this, the full spectrum of feelings and emotions are experienced every single day. Also continuously tested is my faith, not only by circumstances but by the ones I love the most.”

    It’s a day by day, moment by moment going to Him Who loves me and gave His life for me. Yesterday was an emotional morning for me, and the comfort I received came when I cried before the Lord, and all I can say is that He held my heart, and, as always, I felt that peace that surpasses all understanding. My circumstances hadn’t changed, but He gave me comfort and wisdom about the situation that I did not have before. “Be still and know that I am God” (Psalm46:10)is all I need to know.

    Still above normal temps in NEPA today, but they say by the weekend, we will get down to the 20’s. It’s been a mild winter, and that’s been nice!
    Have a wonderful day!

  9. remarutho says:

    Mart & Friends —

    My friend, who is laying low after her first round of chemo for breast cancer posts this morning:

    “Why are we so terrified for God to speak to us? Is it because we know that when God speaks we must either do what He asks or tell Him we will not obey?” (Oswald Chambers). ~ Gary Henry – WordPoints

    My buddy, A.C., is looking down a long, dusty path toward an uncertain future. She is facing that dark night of the soul where she (and we who are praying for her) cling to Jesus minute by minute trusting in his love and mercy. The data gods are in the ditch.


  10. Bob in Cornwall England says:

    Thanks Steve,

    Until your comment I was finding it difficult to follow what Mart was talking about. That is not unusual for me!

    What God has revealed to us in the Bible is a lot simpler than we imagine.
    We look for answers and just get more questions?
    But the reality of God is in His simple, single minded approach to Life.
    “A double minded man is unstable in all his ways”… not knowing which way to turn or what is truth and seeking answers to questions then changing the question to suit the answer. Maybe!

    The “Data gods” have too much information for us to take in.
    refump said it… “To “KNOW HIM” & the personal relationship He wants to have with me & I with Him.” That is the answer we find when we seek God and read His Word.
    All He ever wants from us is a Relationship with Himself and for us to share our lives with Him.

    Like you said Steve, all we can do is live everyday as it comes, not so sure about the “blindly trusting” but I know what you mean.
    Sometimes He asks us to step out into the unknown and when we do He quickly supplies all we need. Other times we just have to carry on regardless has there is nothing else we can do.

    Mart, after you have spent a day with Steve in the mountains you are welcome to spend a day here with me by the ocean.
    If you have clear skys tonight, look up at the full Moon. The Lord woke me up at 5:30am this morning just as it was setting in the west.
    No matter where we are we all live under the same sky and belong to the same God.


  11. oneg2dblu says:

    Mart… have not seen you lately, but because of Steve’s concerns I am reaching out to the family gathered here to pray for your safekeeping, health, strength, and abundance, to be renewed like the wings of an eagle, and be lifted above the fray of life’s burdens and into the Shepherds
    great loving arms. He knows your needs and we can all pray for you! Gary

  12. yooperjack says:

    Steve: You and I are doubly portioned blessed where we live; the clean air the wild life in our back yards, low crime areas. We should thank God every day we don’t live in a city. I thank Him for these blessings every time I see the news on TV. We get snow and wind but our weather is nothing like we see on the news, daily. We only have 118.5 inches of snow so far.

    There are two things guaranteed in the U.P. mosquitoes in the summer and snow in the winter. Swatting and Shoveling. LOL

    Mart: Come north to GGBC and refresh your spirit.

  13. oneg2dblu says:

    Dear Family…I do not believe a praise report is out of line. Yesterday, I recieved an email from my Budhist friend Laraine who was having thoughts of jealousy and wanted biblical leading. She said in her own words… “Thank you for what you do, I could feel your prayers.” Then went on to say, those thoughts changed into compassion for herslef and others. WOW! I’ll give the Lord Praise for that! Is she hearing a voice inside herself now that she had not had before? She also said from the moment she first told me about those thoughts she felt so imbarassed, to the point of feeling I would not address her, or her concerns. We all know who did address her concerns, now we need her to recieve the faith that what she is hearing is the very Word of God I keep sending her back to. Praise God, He still heals broken, confused, and jealous hearts. Perhaps today, she will know she is His! Gary

  14. yooperjack says:

    Bob: Blind trust is: “Walking daily by faith not by sight.”

  15. narrowpathseeker says:

    Yooper, I am sorry we differ in our understanding of being a nobody. Perhaps I should have added that I am a nobody in my own power…in my former ever changing SELF perceived notions of being somebody. The catylist to my joy in my undertanding was in the last part, “and his final years learning what GOD could do through a nobody”. I know I am somebody in Christ, but I also know that doesn’t make me infallible. However, I go to Him daily for Inspections and Maintenance and when I am terribly off course He leads me where He wills in His timing.

  16. poohpity says:

    refump, If I read and read scripture and do not come out on the others side loving God and others more than when I started it really isn’t worth it. If after reading I do not understand a little more the vastness of God’s mercy and grace it then seems I have not learned what God had for me to learn. If I have not concerned myself with the hurting, needy, and those who need to hear about our Savior and just bicker and complain and push knowledge around then I feel like I have missed the boat.

    If I am not more patient, gentle, kind, and have more self control than I did yesterday then it seems the less of me Christ has. I may have a lot of knowledge but what good is it when I do not consider others as better than myself and seek what is best for them like Jesus did. Then it does sound like a bunch of noise and man o man there is a lot of noise these days and yes even coming from my own home. Great topic Mart!! Also very convicting!!

  17. yooperjack says:

    Narrowpathseeker: You *were* a nobody now you are Royalty. In your spirit you can go to the throne of God and worship Him. Think about that, let it flood your mind. It’s like our Presidents daughters can enter his office all most any time; you and I can’t even get on his lawn without a hassle. This Christian life is real it’s not something some old men dreamed up then wrote it in a book. Read my first post from the last topic again, those verses are for real. 1 Timothy 6:6 and 11, 2 Peter 1-10. This stuff works but we have to do it not just read it.

  18. Bob in Cornwall England says:


    I once was blind but now see….

    I said once before… The currency of God’s Kingdom is Faith. There are no transactions except by Faith and Faith is a gift of God.
    Like Maru said “Paul teaches that “faith comes by what is heard, and what is heard comes through the word of Christ.” (Romans 10:17)”

    So I find the term “blind faith” a bit strange as….

    ….FAITH is the assurance (the confirmation, the title deed) of the things [we] hope for, being the proof of things [we] do not see and the conviction of their reality [faith perceiving as real fact what is not revealed to the senses]. Hebrews 11:1 Amplified Bible.
    Where’s the blindness in that when we can see by Faith what is real?


  19. Bob in Cornwall England says:

    Not trying to pick an argument, just making a point, as I know we both agree about and have Faith.

  20. yooperjack says:

    Bob: I see your point, we see it even before it is. I was told that most people that start projects can visulize it in their mind before they set out to make them a reality.

    I was thinking maybe Steve was thinking “walk by faith not by sight” when he wrote “Blindly trusting”? That was the first thing I was thinking. I’m sure he will clear it up when he comes on.

    Are we on topic???

  21. refump says:

    Pooh, couldn’t aree with you more! To “know Him” is not to know just about Him but to know Him in the deepest most intimate way possible in the depth of our souls as to change us from the inside out.

  22. paradocs says:

    From Canada,

    I resonate with the “data gods” comment that you made, Mart. I have, until recently been unable to comment. Thanks to Tom Felton, I am able, not only to read but now able to jump into the (muddle) puddle.

    In our “data age”, the Christian community needs reassurances that we are not about reading, ‘riting nor ‘rithmetic, but much more! What God think about our theology, Bible study or doctrine is the wrong question? These “tools” are meant to help us ask the all-encompassing question: “How is my relationship with God? Is it maturing? Am I closer to God as a result of these “data tools” or am I substituting these good Christian practices in place of drawing closer and closer to God? It seems to me, and it’s good to remember that God is more interested in a relationship than in my so-called grasp of theology! Don’t misunderstand this! If you think about it, John 4 and the dialogue with the Samaritan woman points to this important lesson: Relationship with Him will trump anything else. Come to think of it Nicodemus who had all the “data stuff” of Phariseeism, and all the rigor that it demanded, had to be taught that lesson. “You must be born again (from above).”

    With Christmas a month or more behind us, let us not forget, “Love came down at Christmas.” A real Person deserves a real relationship. That’s what is real! Karl

  23. hamer says:

    Christ and the Data gods. The data gods along with many other entities provoke man to come to an understanding that is many times man’s understanding. But none of them will prevail against God and His church.
    There is but one foundation, one data source for all and that is CHRIST JESUS. The great thing about God is that he allows us to use this foundation to build upon. Though we think we build confidently and with superior materials they are all inferior to God’s materials. Yet we build and He allows it and being the only owner and founder of the foundation He has every right to inspect every particle and to pass judgments on whether He will allow it to stand for a while.
    Even if He tears it completely down He still beckons us to stand on that solid foundation and to start again and again. Truly what can man build that we think it will call down God to take a look or even stay in it awhile. In the building and the tearing down could very well be the lesson, or the data that keeps coming and going. It is in the process of it all, that God, Christ and the Holy Spirit is with us and lets us know we are standing on solid ground. We are not to look at the buildings. We are to look down to see what we are standing on. Then look up and embrace the smile of He who built what cannot be seen yet is seen in what God Himself is looking down on. The only buildings so to speak He came down for and still does and still uses in our estimation inferior building to accomplish His will.

  24. bubbles says:

    Mart, were you speaking of all of us rhetorically in the last sentence of your thoughts, or were you speaking of yourself?

    Your godliness is always evident in your writings. You have a unique, wise, and kind way of sharing your thoughts. You do not appear to be afraid to share your thoughts on any topic, and I am thankful for that. I appreciate your different way of thinking. You wrote an aritcle about prayer a long time ago that was an encouragement to me. . . how we do not need to confess every single sin every time we pray. That article helped me understand God’s mercy and helped me pray differently.
    Thank you for your hard work. Your words and work are a blessing to so many.

  25. poohpity says:

    I have to agree with bubbles, although I know you are not perfect when I read the things you write and how you handle people that say you bore them and how you handle people who do not understand the things you write or those who even disagree with you, I have nothing but respect for your gentleness which shows such strength because you allow people to think for themselves and use their brains and do not impose your beliefs or thoughts as being the only way or right way to think. You may feel that it has been awhile since you have been with Christ but as far as I can tell He has never left you. :-)

  26. foreverblessed says:

    Hamer, amen!
    I was thinking Mart was more of giving a warning: we could do all the bible studies in the world we want to do, and still be a clanging cymbal.
    That reminds me of a story I once read in the readers digest:
    It is about a theology class, The professor gives an oral exam, so the students have to come to his office one by one. The exam is about the Good Samaritan.
    And they get one warning from the professor: to be on time for the exam, and he stresses the point more then once.
    Then comes the day, the student has to walk through a long corridor to get to the room of the professor. While walking they pass another room, and there is somebody in great distress, crying for help. The student was on his way to the professor, guess who did pass the exam:
    The one who came to late, he had stopped and helped the man in need.
    The others who were on time for the exam had failed to help their fellow man, the essence of the good samaritan.

  27. yooperjack says:

    foreverblessed: Your story sounds like it was a test of the heart instead of the head.

    God also looks at and test the heart instead of the head.

  28. bubbles says:

    AND, Mart, when you ask questions, hard questions, they are questions others may have been secretly wondering about but too afraid to ask. Then sometimes your questions make us think about things in a new way, or help us understand things in a way we did not even think to think about.

  29. frepar50 says:

    It is hard thing to rest in God’s sovereignty, yet be responsive as creatures made in His image—rational, thinking creatures who are to use our minds to His glory–not just our emotions. It is when o heavy one way or the other that we get intwe lean to trouble. One way we tend toward not resting in God at all and the other we tend toward a personal pietism primarily, lacking responsibilitry as God’s vice regents on earth

  30. frepar50 says:

    (Let me try this again)——–It is hard thing to rest in God’s sovereignty, yet be responsive as creatures made in His image—rational, thinking creatures who are to use our minds to His glory–not just our emotions. It is when we lean to heavily one way or the other that we get into trouble. One way we tend toward not resting in God at all and the other we tend toward a personal pietism primarily, lacking responsibility as God’s vice regents on earth

  31. narrowpathseeker says:

    Mart, I fully agree with bubbles, poohpity, Steve and everyone else that has revealed much collective respect for your unique array of knowledge, compassion, and understanding enveloped in a beautiful humble nature. I can’t count the number of times I have read some of your BTA tracts over and over in tears of joy! Your on target approach to controversial subjects in a manner so delicate as to not offend is outstanding to me. I couldn’t agree more with Pooh’s comment that as far as she can tell Christ never left you.

  32. Regina says:

    Good Evening All,

    Hope all is well with you today.
    Mart, the picture you chose for this blog brought to mind, the Apple Computer. The “technology highway” does seem to be clogged with data traffic now-a-days. That’s one of the reasons why I’m only interested in one social networking site. The options for communicating and doing business online are overwhelming at times. I have a question regarding something you said in your comment, “Seems that I’ve been around long enough now to see that any part of the Bible *can be done* to know Christ, his love, his joy, what hurts him, and why I need him– now (Phil 3:8-11).

    Does “can be done” mean “a spiritual aid” or “used as a catalyst,” etc.?

    Sunny and cool in Texas today (Low temp/50 degrees –High temp/55-60 degrees).

    Love to all…

  33. Regina says:

    Just thought of something else…those two black lines on the apple core brought to mind an electrical outlet that electronic devices are plugged into and some (of those devices) are used as a portal into the “goings-on” of the entire world.

  34. BruceC says:


    Love that term “Data gods”. I don’t watch TV like I used to; but when I do I see many commecials touting the latest hand-held tech. Several years back it was notebooks. Before that it was desktops. But the message is still the same. Get as much knowledge of the “the world” as you can. Share yourself and your knowledge with “the world”. Folks are so willing to open up their lives to strangers on the internet through “social networks” and yet afraid to have communion with the One who gave them life and died to redeem them. The world thinks it will be saved by human knowledge while it is knowledge of and faith in Christ that does. One of the enemy’s ploys is to keep folks as busy s they can be so as not to be distracted by the gospel. And we Christians sometimes allow “things” to distract us from a closer relationship and fellowship with our Lord. we need very much to withdraw during our life and just bask in His love and refresh ourselves.

    Soli Deo Gloria!

  35. BruceC says:


    I looked at that apple and thought “That looks like everyone has taken a bite out of it”. And in truth we have all bitten the apple; have we not?

    Soli Deo gloria!

  36. SFDBWV says:

    Jackie and Bob, just to clarify for you, I apologize for using my regional dialect in expressing myself. Blind faith is a word combination I have heard used most all my life and it simply means to say that one walks in faith blindly trusting God.

    Blindly because you have no idea where the resources you need are coming from, but trusting that God will deliver.

    Having the faith that even though what you *see* is contrary to what you hope and pray for, what you can’t see is the rescue God has in place for you.

    Well I have either completely confused you or cleared that little matter up.

    Snow storm on the way for today, with more February like temperatures, still have to love this winter.


  37. SFDBWV says:

    My mother and father’s generation seen the most amazing change in technology I think of any generation I can imagine. Both born in 1914 they grew up with the horse and buggy giving way to automobiles, with kerosene lamps replaced with electric lights. With radio being just introduced into the world and yet living to see television come.

    They saw the invention and development of telephones.

    They grew up reading books, Life magazine, newspapers and learning to write both printing and cursive. They wrote letters and sent post cards, kept photo albums in a safe place in the house.

    They both lived to see the invention of the airplane grow to international jet traffic and men on the moon.

    As I look at the data gods of today I am reminded of H.G. Wells “Time Machine” and the future he saw when he wrote his books. An age where there were no books and people didn’t have to read as information was visual and kept on little discs.

    What at first seemed to be a utopian society, but soon shown that without knowledge the “Eloi” were at the mercy of the aggressors and survivors of the *future*.

    I can find comfort by setting and quietly reading and meditating on scripture, however if I go to the computer and to the internet and begin to *analyze* scripture, I am overwhelmed with too much information. Instead of clarification or edification too often confusion is the sum of my search.

    Gather in enough confusion, and you may become as Mart had alluded to, an intellectual adventure void of Christ, just noise.

    I noticed Mart tweeked his last sentence in order to better state his position.


  38. yooperjack says:

    Steve: I thought that was what you were saying. Bob also had a good point. Both points were true, it’s just that each one would apply in different situations at different times. Some times we visualize in our minds things before we see them. Other times we just step out in faith because we have no idea where we’re going but know He will be there to guide us.

  39. narrowpathseeker says:

    Steve, I related to almost every word of your post. I often wonder how my parents would deal with this different world of today…… not only the advanced technology but all that is “acceptable” in the world today, that wasn’t even acceptable for conversation, even in my time.

    Your thoughts on “analyzing” scripture and its potential to confuse were my EXACT thoughts. I am reminded that the Pharisees were well versed in scripture but they didn’t understand Jesus.Sometimes the disciples didn’t even understand what He was saying.

    I have been wondering a lot lately, just what Jesus was “emptying Himself” of before praying.

  40. Bob in Cornwall England says:


    If “Blind faith” is like a blind man walking across a motorway (freeway) and getting safely to the other side because a friend is leading him by the hand, then that is what my life is often like and I am sure we can all say the same.
    Jesus/The Holy Spirit is a wonderful friend who never lets go of our hand as long as we keep hold of His.
    Faith being the tight grip we have just as a small child holds on to it’s parents hand knowing all is well no matter what.

    Your last comment about using the computer to analyze scripture reminded me of the “Earthquake, Wind and Fire” followed by the “Still Small Voice of Calm”.
    Often it is good just to sit with God and listen to His voice in the way He designed us to. Just Him and us!


  41. SFDBWV says:

    Narrowpathseeker, I am glad we are on the same page, I think you have ask a very interesting question, what indeed did Jesus have to empty Himself of as He came before the Father in prayer.

    Jackie it has been my own personal experience that in those times when I can *see* the answer to my prayer and so join with the Holy Spirit in agreeing with it, that this gift of sight is also controlled and given from God.

    Sometimes I just *know* the outcome and are completely certain in all of my being as I await that moment to arrive; while other times God with holds that gift of *seeing* the outcome from me and leaves it to me to *blindly* trust Him in faith.

    Jackie we have only had 63.9 inches of snow so far this winter, and whatever comes today as it is snowing as I am writing. We are about 50% below our normal snow fall, but a couple years ago we were about 300% above. So I guess somewhere in the end of things it will all average out to be *normal*.

    I *hate* flies! I would have been in quite the fix if I didn’t enjoy shoveling as for much of my life it was shoveling snow at home and coal at work.

    Another piece of regional dialect and colloquial word usage is a coal miners pet name for a shovel, “banjo”. Pure Appalachian and coal miner language.


  42. SFDBWV says:

    I love you Bob.


  43. poohpity says:

    I agree Bob about going to God about confusion with scripture rather than the computer. With the computer you have to find out who wrote what you are reading and then where their bent is and the majority of time since the Lord is the source why not go to Him. I may not get the answer right then but through out the day there will be an aww haa moment. The bible says that all we have to do is ask for His wisdom and by golly He is faithful to give it, that I can say without a doubt.

    The great philosophers, after reading the bible, have a lot of the bible in their writings and I have often wondered if their perplexing questions did not come from a lack of understanding of the bible and a quest to either disprove it or try to understand without the Helper. People can take something so simple and try and make it hard.

    When scientists tried to prove the earth was flat if they had just read the bible they would have known long before that it was round. When they thought that there were only a few stars in the sky they could have found that in the bible too and so much more.

    Learning from Solomon and what happens to the mind of a genius should help us to see that what is right in front of our faces may be the hardest to accept but in the end it is what is real and honest. If we believe that God is indeed the creator of ALL things, questions would get answered a lot quicker just to go to Him.

  44. yooperjack says:

    The Bible is the living Word of God all else is just commintary.

  45. rxman says:

    Thanks Mart.

    This topic has been on my mind a lot lately. I attend a couple of bible studies and a B.S. group of Christian guys were we usually sit around and pontificate what we are thinking at the time. This can be good and it can be bad. I say that because sometimes our minds wander into areas that there are probably no concrete answers.

    I wonder why God allows us to get so far from Him in our searching. This brings to mind the story of the prodigal son. We are allowed to “do our own thing” thinking that it is where we will be our happiest, only to discover that with our Father is where we are most satisfied. So many things can get in the way of just being with our Abba. As someone has said, all Satan has to do is keep us busy and that will keep us from our time with God.

  46. poohpity says:

    rxman. I have to say that the pontificating has put the biggest smile on my face today, thank you.

    I have to say that I fully trust God to know what is in our hearts and if we are seeking knowledge about him just for knowledge sakes or if it is truly done to know Him better. If our aim is to look smarter than another or to know more than another, there is nothing we can do to fool our Lord and Savior. Even at the time if it is done with an ulterior motive God’s Word can work in a life Isaiah 55:11 NIV; Matt 12:36 NIV.

  47. bubbles says:

    I believe Satan is behind this data explosion.
    I am sick to death of “data” this and “data” that, and “data analysis”. There is SO much data, what does one do with it all? I am sick of technology because it generates MORE data. MORE data means MORE and MORE and MORE work, and less time to DO the work involved. Then, before one can asorb and tackle the DATA, here comoes more. MORE technology does not cut the workload in half, it multiplies it TENFOLD.
    I am so sick of this world we live in.
    I cannot stand it.

  48. poohpity says:

    Mart, I just want you to know that I will be in prayer for the Lord to show you what He thinks about your “approach to Bible study, doctrine, and theology”.

  49. bratimus says:

    Ive read Mart’s post a few times now.

    the last part i might be reading it wrong.

    What most would think or say is it sounds like a crisis of faith.

    WE always can’t be on the mountian with God, there is work still to be done in the valley.

    Someone told me this once, when i told them that I don’t always feel the presence of Christ with me.

  50. poohpity says:

    That was beautiful bratimus. ;-)

  51. SFDBWV says:

    Many years ago I read a short story of fiction, meant to stir the imagination and show the possibilities of events. However there are always truths produced by fiction.

    In the story all people when born were surgically implanted with a device that when triggered would “explode* within the brain and end the life of the individual.

    The entire matter was handled by the financial institutions that were part of this future society, as when born everyone was given the same amount of *time* for living. However time now was money and how you spent your time either was multiplied into more time or squandered away.

    Either way when the money (time) ran out so did your life.

    I only mention this little story wondering how much time a day do we spend at the computer, or texting, or playing computer games. Hooked up to the cyber highway instead of hooked up to Christ.

    Light snow, colder temperatures and winter here for the next few days.


  52. yooperjack says:

    Steve: I believe we are hooked up to Christ 24-7 but we have a life to live also. It’s ok to hook up to other things as long as we don’t shut Jesus out by getting too busy. It’s not good to burn the candle at both ends anyway. I think people that do that have some kind of mental problem, like pride or insecurity. They constantly need to prove to them self and other’s that they’re ok.

    Just a thought.

  53. florida7sun says:

    Steve, you are absolutely right. Technology can be a blessing. It can also be a curse. It will feed the inner desire of our heart. We can utilize it to grow in grace and knowledge of the Word; or the wires that feed data to us can slowly poison our vitality and crush our spirit.

    2 Timothy 3 cautions us not to be swayed from our first love, our Lord and Savior.

    There are many with a worldview that would have us take our eyes – even momentarily – off Jesus. In doing so, our strength is sapped; our courage weakened; and our light dimmed. It is vital we filter the words of men through the Holy Spirit that indwells every believer.

    There is a verse that I believe speaks to us in these end times: 2 Timothy 3:6. Bible translations use the term “enter into,” “creep into,” or “worm into.”

    The prince of the air likes to distribute apples like he did long ago in the Garden. Apples can be attractive and shiny in appearance, but a devilish worm can be hidden inside.

    Almost 50 years ago I had occasion to have lunch with Hal Lindsey as he was researching his book, “The Late Great Planet Earth.” Looking at Mart’s picture of the apple, it’s quite possible that there is a worm in its core, eating it away along with the one savoring every bite.

    Today, most of us are “wired” in one way or another.

    Hal and I talked about the “coming cable TV” to replace over the air broadcasting. The cable then entered our homes like a worm. Today, much more is fed to us (whether we want it or not) through whatever means we are plugged into. Most of it is intended to make us captive and enslaved by the flesh in one way or another.

    Scripture cautions us to set our minds on things above, and not on earthly things (Colossians 3:1-4). Whatever we feed on, we should take great care there are no hidden worms.

    Like pythons in the Everglades that have few natural enemies, Satan’s worms eagerly seek out those they can devour.

    Our Daily Bread is a blessing in keeping us healthy.

  54. childlikento says:

    Greetings All; Jesus told us not to be fooled. Jesus said to test the spirit. I only know of one sure way to do just that. Ask God in constant prayer for guidance in all we say, do, hear and see. Our Loving Father will never lead us astray, nor will He ever leave us nor forsake us. Proverbs 3:5-6 is to live by.
    Love in Christ, donna

  55. SFDBWV says:

    Jackie, of course you are right we all live in this world and must adapt to it in order to survive, and as all have said, being careful as we do not to lose hold of the sight and guidance of Christ.

    Ray, you continue to amaze me…Lunch with Hal Lindsey…How cool is that. I have most all of his books and watch him on TV when able.

    The marvel of our modern communications technology is so amazing, we can speak to people anywhere in the world instantly, we have at our disposal the ability to watch history be made as it happens anywhere.

    Am wondering if this is how everyone in the world will *see* Christ return to the Mount of Olives? Certainly CNN will be on the scene.

    The thing is from my life experience, that every good thing has an intended purpose that soon gets corrupted by those who use it for evil.

    When my son first was injured, word of mouth spread to thousands of people in hundreds of churches for prayer for him, same for his mother when she developed cancer.

    This communications system we have now can hook us up to almost an unnumbered amount of prayer partners, and is one of the best uses of this very site that we can pray for each others needs in concert of prayer.

    Wikipedia has a large storage of *data* as do all of the *search engines* now at our finger tips. Some people use such data to learn how to make chicken soup while others atomic bombs.

    Jesus used Peter to be a fisher of men, how many men are fished into pornography now at their disposal as easy as it is for us to talk with each other.

    This wormwood tree that is now in our homes still tempts us with the choice of choosing good or evil, life or death.

    See you all tomorrow morning, unless God has other plans.


  56. yooperjack says:

    Ray: Eat the apple with the hole in it.

    I fear nothing, I have the best security screening system in the universe liveing in my temple. LOL As far as T.V. goes there is not much for a Christian to watch. I have over 200 hundred chanels and watch about 10.

  57. poohpity says:

    I think sometimes we get so caught up in everything around us like, feeling less than or more than what we truly are, hard headed people, rough and cruel things, betrayal of friends and family, gossiping, quarrelsome people, foolish discussions, silly arguments, hurting people, anger, hatred, dishonesty that we become so defeated and start to act the same way ourselves.

    What was it that first drew me to the Lord, it was His acceptance, kindness, undeserved mercy, so much grace and just knowing that He wanted to have a relationship with me. I do not know what happens along the way by listening to all the garbage and ugliness even Christians dish out that turns something so wonderful into rubbish. Where has all the love gone, gentleness when replying to others, patience when teaching, humility rather than pride, kindness rather than harsh words, love, comfort or peace in the storms of life.

    It has become common practice to point fingers at others, snap back, condemn, judge, and criticize is that because of the data gods or because our hearts look more like the world than they do like Christ. I can not blame the internet, data, more knowledge or anything else except that I have allowed those things to creep into my life. No more blame but rather accept responsibility for what I have let in and what I allow to come out of my mouth and what I feel in my heart.

  58. yooperjack says:

    Poohpity: Your whole post can be summed up in your last sentance. What we allow in will surely come out sooner or later.

  59. poohpity says:

    I know Jack, but we spend so much time blaming. If we could just listen to what we say and you are so right our words will eventually allow others to see what is in our hearts. The only thing that gives us some comfort is the Love Christ has for us and the knowing that He can change anyone’s heart so it would be nice to show some kindness in the meantime.

  60. poohpity says:

    Think of what happened with the very first sin Eve blamed the serpent, Adam blamed Eve, none of them took responsibility for there own condition or actions. Thus an apple eaten then those who took the fruit blamed rather than accepting their part in the process.

  61. yooperjack says:

    That was the start of “Lust of the eyes, lust of the flesh and the pride of life.” 6000 years later those root sin are still live and well and still messing peoples livies up. We haven’t evolved very much in that sense have we?

  62. narrowpathseeker says:

    Poohpity, God Bless you. I think we forget that we are in a spiritual war and when we win one battle we should be ready for the next one at any time. I was attacked this very afternoon with self righteous indignation and jealous thoughts. Thanks be to God for so many comments here to remind me to go to Him, He won that battle for me before it got started. I know to look at myself as clearly as I look at others, but my memory fails me far too frequently. Thanks for reminding me.

  63. poohpity says:

    I think the thing that helps us hold on even better than looking at our own shortcomings even tho that is important to fully understand God’s grace and mercy. It seems no matter how much we mess up, He already knew we would and loves us anyway. That should soften anyone’s heart.

  64. Regina says:

    Good Evening All,

    You’re right, Bruce, we’ve all taken a bite out that apple on numerous occasions…dating back to the 1950’s with the invention of television (and even before that with the radio). Hard for me refer to technology/data as a god, but that’s what we’ve made (or make) it when we give it the *first fruits* of our time.

    Sunny and warm in Texas today (60 degrees/high).

    Love to all…

  65. Regina says:

    Ooops! I repeated what Steve said in my comment to BruceC. I had not read his entire post. Enjoyed reading all of the comments on this blog topic. Thanks to all for sharing.

  66. bratimus says:

    With every new technology the prospect of evil is there, not because of the new inovation, but because man is invovled in it. Someone or someones have to input the data, and someone or someones have to retrieve the data.

    What is more dangerous technology or human nature?

  67. yooperjack says:

    What happens when the machines control the world? do-do-do-do-do-do. LOL

  68. bratimus says:


    I’m just thankful not everyone lives in the twilight zone, just a few

  69. Bob in Cornwall England says:

    Jesus said “Walk in the Light”

    Wicked ways are atracted to darkness and the twilight zone.

  70. foreverblessed says:

    Hi Bob, when the sun is shining outside it is so much nicer to walk! Just a joke.
    I have been away for awhile, and when you want to catch up, so many insights, I was thinking on this blog we can also have too much data.
    New people respond, and you want to welcome them too:
    Welcome Hamer, paradocs, childlikento, frepar50.
    Thanks for your input, Proverbs 3:25 rang to my ears, to be like children, isn’t that a good basis for all the data? What do little children do? Just play. And the people responsible see to it that they play fare:
    All I ever needed to know I learned at kindergarten, who’s saying was that?
    Like paly together, don’t take the other’s child toy, don’t screem, etc, just simple things.
    Be like little children.

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