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Getting Attention

1st Century Jewish Tomb

Is there anything that followers of Christ can do to get the attention of those who dismiss them as uneducated and backward?

Our Lord had a reputation of being “unschooled”. He drew crowds of people by healing them of all kinds of diseases  (Matt 4:24) (John 7:15).

At one point he sent his apostles out with the same power over sickness and demons (Matt 10:1)

After he was gone, his disciples continued to do powerful things in his name, even if less often. In one instance, Peter and John got the attention of Jerusalem’s temple worshipers and leaders by healing a well known beggar who had been lame from birth (Acts 3:1-10).

As a result of such miracles the numbers of Jewish people who believed in Jesus quickly grew to 5000 (Acts 4:4).

Religious leaders didn’t know what to do. They were afraid that if they didn’t act quickly, all Jerusalem would soon believe in the One whose life they had traded for a murderer (Acts 3:13-14) (Acts 4:16-17). Their concerns echoed the alarm they had felt after hearing reports of Jesus’ own miracles, including the resurrection of his friend Lazarus (John 12:9-11).

The miracle that Peter and John did at the gate called “Beautiful” followed a pattern. Once again, “uneducated men”, who were known to have spent time with Jesus (Acts 4:13),  used something supernatural to get the attention of those who needed to take another look at their only hope of salvation (Acts 4:12).

So 2000 years later what can we do to get the attention of our generation?

Does it work to claim healings without proof;  identify with a political party; advocate for the laws of the Bible; criticize other religions; boycott industries or non-profits that act contrary to our beliefs; or resist governments that we don’t agree with?

Any opinions about what it might take to help our generation take another look not at us, but at the only one who can give anyone something worth living and dying for?

Paul wrote a letter to Timothy about praying for conditions to live “a quiet life.” Is the new norm–to escape notice by living under the radar (1Tim 2:1-4)?




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61 Responses to “Getting Attention”

  1. pegramsdell says:

    Good morning Mart. I am praying for a special supernatural healing, from Our Father and Jesus and The Holy Spirit, for you and all who post here. And I have a few things to say about this post because It touched my heart.

    Jesus loved His Father to the exclusion of everything else. He only did what His Father told Him to do. We don’t do that. We do what we want and when everything goes wrong we say: “God, fix it”…….We are lukewarm most of the time. We don’t want to listen, care, help or possibly get into confrontation. We get argumentitive instead of loving and gentle. We don’t pray enough for our enemies and we don’t take authority over the power of the enemy, which we have given him to begin with by being wishy washy.

    Just last night we discussed this at Church. Weird how what we talk about in Church is talked about here the next day. I love that. I think we can live a quiet life, but also be prepared to go to battle if need be.

    God says in the bible: If we lift Jesus up, HE will draw all men unto Himself. The Holy Spirit will do it. All we have to do if lift Him up and acknowledge Him and what He did for us. Then our generation will be saved, because they will know that He is worth living and dying for.

    Thanks for this post and the chance to say what’s on my heart. Praying for (shalom) peace for you all.

  2. poohpity says:

    My hunch is that through every generation the same things that drew people to Jesus will be the same things that has always drawn people to Jesus.

    The new generation with all their social media and access to all kinds of knowledge still respond to love, kindness, forgiveness, gentleness and patience. They are very quick to see hypocrisy, anger by boycotting, rules that do not work, and all the other things that the older generation try and shove down their throats. This new generation has been taught differently than do as I say just because I say it. Some are taught to think for them selves and allowed to express their opinions rather than just because my parents did it. Thank God!!

  3. refump says:

    Most of us only have to stop & think, What was it that won your heart to Christ. I think there would be a wide variety of answers to that question, but I bet none of them would include any of the things Mart listed above in the paragraph that start with ” claiming healing without proof,etc”. Ultimately, it is the love God showed us by sending His beloved Son to die for us, that draws us to Him. Talking about & displaying this love to the lost is what will get their attention. Fortunately, showing God’s love to others is something we don’t need a degree for! Often being “educated” can even prove to be a hinderance to showing others God’s love. I don’t think Paul’s advice to Tim to live a quiet life is flying under the radar. I think this is much more “attractive” & effective in winning the lost than the loud condemnation that we Christians often proclaim by our actions & our words.

  4. florida7sun says:

    Mart, you asked, “Is there anything that followers of Christ can do to get the attention of those who dismiss them as uneducated and backward?”

    I believe the Lord gave us the answer when He said we should “Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind and; Love your neighbor as yourself.” – Luke 10:27

    In so loving, there is a Shekinah glory that appears on one’s face. There is a tenderness of spirit in the tone of one’s voice. There is a radiance that is emanated like the solar winds that produce an aurora in the night sky. But, it is not about us. It is about Him and Him alone.

    The gift of faith is a gift bestowed by Our Father in Heaven.

    Jesus said, “I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me. And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all that he has given me, but raise them up at the last day. For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.” – John 6:38-40

    When Jesus was baptized, ‘A voice came from the cloud, saying, “This is my Son, whom I have chosen; listen to him.”’ – Luke 9:35

    So I believe the answer to your question is we should feed on the living Word of God and internalize all that Jesus has told us. In do going, we should pray as Jesus taught us. – Matthew 6:9-13

    We should pray individually for those we love and reach out to them.

    Even while being dismissed as uneducated and backward, I can petition my Father’s understanding of all that mock me and other believers in the marketsquare of life, as Jesus did: “Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing.” – Luke 23:34

  5. poohpity says:

    In Acts I thought the biggest amount of converts was due to hearing about Jesus in their own language not to say that they had not heard all the scuttle butt that was going around. :-)

  6. narrowpathseeker says:

    Wow! As of late, on numerous occasions when thoughts of the entire political system became mindboggling and infuriating, I received stronger thoughts of PRAYING for ALL the world leaders, all the corrupt, and just all the lost souls in general. I know that I am no match for the powers that be, but our ALMIGHTY God is and He told us to pray for our enemies..I was not consciously aware of the support in 1Timothy 2:1-4.

    I have also thought much about being a representative of Christ at all times. I wear a cross around my neck at all times to remind me that people see that and it is my responsibility to set a good example. Which I believe compels me to bridle my tongue and control my actions. Unfortunately, I forget sometimes and enter the public social realm as the self absorbed, self serving, self perceived “good guy” that seems to always find a place to hide in me and pops out to say “boo” just to let me know it’s still there.

    I do not know what the beliefs are here but Mark 16:17-18 does NOT sound to me that these powers were reserved for only the disciples. I do not know what prevents us from performing these acts, but I believe we all have the potential. In addition to praying for our leaders(or enemies which may be one and the same) of ANY political affiliation maybe asking for those powers to be activated in His people for His glory would be the way to go.

  7. oneg2dblu says:

    Good morning all, we whom God has chosen before the life we know now ever existed for us, is that same God that deposited a light in us to shine in the darkness of this world and to not be held under a bowl. We are to share that light wherever God places us, to whom ever He places in our path, and if we would only do what He asks us to do, instead of what we otherwise choose, that little light would burn much brighter, and with all its intensity burning for Him who gave it life. We would walk more Christ-like we would talk Christ-like and we would be more Christ-like in all things. Having not our will, but only wanting to do His. We get to serve Him when we do and ourselves when we don’t. Let’s serve Him today, even if it is just in one smile, a touch, or a kind word to another, for it may be a darkened soul we encounter today, who will become aware of Him who gives us light today also. Who’s going to be getting attention through you today? Gary

  8. yooperjack says:

    Mart: What you are asking is what every pastor in the country is asking. We can fill Churches that is the easy part. Benny Hinn uses healing, Hill Song uses music and there are many mega Churches in this country. World Wide Revival Church uses what I call *chanting* music along with praising the Lord with loud active worship.

    The more conservative traditional Churches are satisfied with small quiet groups of people, every service is the same with an open prayer, three songs, a boring sermon, closing song and prayer. It’s more duty than worship. Then they go to their favorite restaurant to eat. They won’t need a menu because they have it memorized. The Pastor is happy because the bills are paid because he taught his flock well and they pay their tithe. The baptismal needs paint because it’s dried out and hasn’t been used in years.

    By this time you are thinking what is the answer? First of all we need to know what the problem is. The root problem is there is there is no, “Fear of the Lord” sinners don’t fear being punished for doing wrong. And others have no (Fear) honor, respect or adoration for our Lord. It boils down to a form of godliness with no power. Jesus is the Power.

    We need a catastrophic event to put the fear of the Lord back in the people. One big enough that even the unbelievers will call out the name of Jesus to save them.

    What can we believers do in the mean time? Poohpity has been preaching it for a while; (In a nut Shell) why can’t we all just be nice to one another? Why don’t we break the silent and talk about Jesus like we really love Him. Be a witness with our words and deeds.

    What do we want? There are plenty of Churches we have 125 in our small three county area. I’m not sure if I would feel comfortable loved and accepted in any of them? There are some even Jesus wouldn’t be welcomed in. He would be way too radical; healing people, delivering people from demons and raising the dead, can’t have any of that in Church.

    Jesus is coming soon.

    I’m preaching again. LOL

  9. bill34sl says:

    For us Christians, sure we can catch the attention of the unbelieving world in a whole lot different ways, though not in astounding display of supernatural feats. But the question will be: Are they going to respond to it in a positive way , if not at all? With today’s world awashed with awesome technologies and entertainment, who would be interested to plunge into the pool of simple Christian living? To most, it’s not the way to live. You’ve heard a lot of times people say “Life is short”, and they want to get the most of their “lives”. How? By indulging the senses. Anything that doesn’t “thrill” is boredom. That’s why 1 Cor. 2:14KJV, says the things of God are foolishness to this world. That said, we still have to do our business as Christians, “shining our light” in a world of darkness and providing a lighted path to God’s Kingdom. Anyone who’s not interested to see and walk in the light, we can always shake our sandals off him/her and move on. After all, it is really God who draws people to Himself (John 6:44KJV).

  10. poohpity says:

    1 Tim 2:5-6 that is the truth that people need to teach. Living a life of minding our own business goes on to say and thinking much about the Lord. Verse 8 goes on to say “I want men everywhere to pray with holy hands lifted up to God, free from sin and anger and resentment.”

    2 Tim 2:14-16 seems to explain what living a quiet life looks like.

  11. bill34sl says:

    I mean shake the dust off our sandals. We need our sandals back.

  12. poohpity says:

    bill, that was to funny. :-)

    Mart, do you think that people of knowledge dismiss believers as uneducated because of our faith? Do we really have to prove to them that it is not ignorance that drives us but faith?

    I was also thinking that no matter what after we become believers we are reeducated anyway. For example those who were in the exodus had to be reeducated from what they learned in Egypt, Matthew reeducated about collecting taxes, Peter thought he knew about fishing until Jesus had him throw the nets back in after fishing all night. Our old life to be born again to a new way of thinking about life.

  13. Mikek says:

    The replies seem to be all over the place for some reason. The one thing NOT mentioned is the last part of Acts 4:13.

    Being indentified as having been with Jesus is the difference, it is what makes the difference between a cross around the neck or handing out a tract or whatever. “Do you look like Jesus?” You can do all those things, cover your entire car in clever fish bumper stickers but if you haven’t been with Jesus, what does it matter?

    We do not need to internalize the Word of God, whatever that means, not do we need a natural disaster (it wouldn’t matter, most folks don’t care these days about fearing God) and I have never seen the Shekinah glory on anyone’s face (almost blasphemous to even consider)but I have seen those who have “been with Jesus” and I have not forgotten it.I know these people knew Him.

    It is not in education or organized religion or in your pastor or in missions or in giving or in praying or in good works or in anything else that you can think of that is going to matter. Everything else is garbage if you do not resemble Jesus because you have spent time with Him.

    Social media is just another excuse, mankind has sought something else other than God since creation. It is simply another manifestation of our weakness.

    The more you devote time to being with Him the more you will look like Him and the more you look like Him the more people will give you a hearing.

    Will everyone believe you, no perhaps not, but if it is because you look and sound like Him it is Jesus they reject and not you.

    For years I owned Christians in every debate, every controntation…I sent home defeated.

    Until I met George and George looked like he had been with Jesus.


  14. poohpity says:

    So Mike 2 Timothy 2:23-25 NLT may apply to you when you took pride in owning Christians in every debate?

  15. poohpity says:

    I have often marveled how Jesus handled arrogance.

  16. yooperjack says:

    MK: You made my point, thank you, when you said “Most people don’t fear the Lord today”. A catastrophic event like the world has ever known would put the fear of God in the hardist of hearts, trust me. But if the *Church* doesn’t change it’s additude who will be there to lead them to rightousness.

    A friend and I got his car stuck so we walked to a farm house to get help. The farmer said I can’t help you I’m late for church. My friend said: “see, that’s a Christian for you.” What could I say? Those bumper stickers suck, unless live the life.

  17. bill34sl says:

    Yes, Yooper, MK, “Most people don’t fear the Lord today” People has the potential of not fearing Him at all. The Bible says it will intensify in the last days. Revelation 6:9,11 shows they will even curse God. Not the kind of curse we hear today, but one associated with deep anger.

  18. bill34sl says:

    I’m very sorry, it should be Revelation 16:9,11.

  19. yooperjack says:

    bill34sl: I believe time is very short. Hearts are already waxing cold.

    Funny thing I was just making copies of your Jan, post on the old and new covenants to pass on to my cousin.

  20. davids says:

    Mart asks, “what can we do to get the attention of our generation?” Then he lists several posibilities: political, social, theological.

    For me, there is a bit too much of a marketing viewpoint here – an organizational perspective. I say this as a marketing person.

    It cannot be we versus them. The world has had too much of we the crusaders versus them, we the Catholics (or Protestants) versus them, we the prohibitionists/politicians/activists versus them. The world is weary of the Christian message of, “fall in line or else”.

    It has to be me and you. Me, a follower of the way, shown through my words and deeds. You, a person that is open to learning what gives me joy, peace, and strength.

  21. Mikek says:

    The hour is late isn’t it yooperjack?

    Talking about Jesus simply doesn’t get, never has. I provoke people sure…to get some to think on a deeper level when it comes to Jesus.

    Arrogant, no not at all. You have got to move beyond the superficial “christianese” and consider how late the hour is. It is all noise when it isn’t praise to Jesus.

    I can honest;y tell you that I literally wasted years playing church, teaching church, using the language, playing a role within religiosity and no one was the wiser. I wasted years earning degrees, post-graduate degrees and two doctorates..for what? To be called doctor? Ha!

    I have a bible and a concordance now. I gave everything else away. I am not sure where all the degreesare now. The bible I use is the one that caused me to fall in love with Jesus 27 years ago.

    Surely someone else out there gets it?


  22. yooperjack says:

    I have a masters degree from the school of hard Knocks. I threw it all away for a simple life style with Jesus Christ as my master and my Bible as my owners manual to that life style. Yes MK I get it.

  23. poohpity says:

    I imagine there were many who saw the religiosity in you but knew that one day Jesus would be the one who would find His way to your heart and probably still pray for you rather than confronting you.

  24. Mikek says:

    A pastor who worked for me when I lived in NC; he worked part time for me and was the one who contronted me face to face. Pastor Glen told me in stark and rather harsh words that I was a fool and wasting my time. He yelled me even though I was his boss, but I didn’t listen. No I didn’t fire him but I wanted too but he was right, religion was already in my bloodstream.

    The lure of religion was too strong, I didn’t learn easily. It is intoxicating to preach a good sermon, to have someone say, “what a man of God!” I liked carrying my bible everywhere for everyone to see.

    Seminary only made it worse. Straight A’s and a booming voice complete with an unmatched passion “all for Jesus” made an impact and I loved it.

    When I left the church, the religionists gasped so greatly that they drew the church doors shut! It was a scandal here in southern WV; the days of be beating up those who disagreed with me were gone. I spend the majority of my time with lost people, I have a beer or two, buy them lunch, share a Jesus story or two.

    I only target the religious now.


  25. poohpity says:

    If it is not arrogance then what makes the mention of accomplishments in the academic world important? We are all a work in progress and none of us have arrived to the place Jesus wants us until we go to heaven. If I am not mistaken only the Lord can see our hearts and knows us well enough to make a judgment call as to how our relationship with Him is going. It does help to have other Christians who are close to us that will hold us accountable when they see us with attitudes that are not pleasing to the Lord if they feel we are approachable and will accept feedback as a gift and not as an attack.

  26. poohpity says:

    Mike you remind me of that passage in Luke 18:9-14 NLT.

  27. Mikek says:

    Perhaps I was not clear to some…in the context given, to suppose I mention academics arrogantly is to miss the point altogether.

    It was a COLLOSSAL WASTE OF TIME. I have been there and got the t-shirt. Do not waste your time in pursuit of anything but Jesus.What a joke college and seminary was. How to be a professional Christian! How to raise money, parse Greek verbs, run a church, save souls and all in a suit and tie, three times a week!

    Avoid the pain, the waste of resources, the loss of time doing anything else but what matters. I know, I can tell you I KNOW. Don’t be like me

    Nothing else matters, nothing at all. Spend time with Jesus and the whole world will know it. Get to know Him and those you know and meet will too.

    Religion bites.


  28. yooperjack says:

    Poohpity: Some people work very hard all their livies to build up their pride it can be very hard to give up. Jesus wants all the glory; it’s not about me.

  29. Bob in Cornwall England says:

    I don’t think you lot actually get it?
    It is not us who is going to get the attention, but God Himself.
    Friday night is bible study night in our little Barn and we take it in turns to lead the meeting.
    Tonight one of us shared the book of Amos and we chatted as led by the Holy Spirit.
    If anything comes out of Amos it is the fact God had lost His patience with Israel & Judah to a point of no return and the re-establishing of Israel in the end times.
    There are many familiar scriptures in Amos but the thing that hits you most is the similarity to today.
    It seems nothing has changed in the mid east since 600BC and the place names are still the same. Chapter one could have been taken straight from todays TV news. God was so angry at their idols, all set up in the Holy places of worship. People tithing and sacrificing just as they do today, but to idols and not to Him.
    God used His Authority and uses the Name “The Lord God of Host” and not the friendlier name of “The God of Abraham, Isaac & Jacob”.
    He was calling time on Israel just as He is about to call time on us today.
    I was struck how busy they all were back then with their idolatry etc. just as we are busy with ours today.
    Thursday I did not watch any TV at all and was amazed by the simple clarity with which I could see and hear God without all that busy clutter in my head.
    People here have mentioned we need a catastrophy to bring us to our senses and seek The Lord Jesus.
    God is about to make Himself known and He will get attention.
    Not meant to sound like an “end is nigh” preach, but it really is nigh!
    Amos talks about the trumpet sounding in the towns and bringing the people to fear.
    Well it is time to Fear The Lord!
    Our job is to be ready, able & willing, with the words, “here I am Lord”
    We will not have to worry about being noticed!


  30. poohpity says:

    I have a son whom I weep over after living in the grace and mercy of our Savior went off to bible college. His head is so full of academia that his little heart is so lost but I fully trust the Lord to bring him back. Just writing this brings tears to my eyes and breaks my heart. I asked him to stay in the Word and he told me we study everything about the bible and I said “how about knowing Jesus personally and spending time with Him each day not just for a grade?” I fully understood the reason you listed, not just what you wrote in this topic but also in a past topic, your academic background. Trust that I understand more than you think I do.

  31. poohpity says:

    Bob, our posts happened at the same time and after reading what you wrote I was so touched. My favorite verse in Amos 5:21-23 NLT then the topper is Amos 5:24 NLT. Bob I have known you now for a couple of years and was rereading some of the posts from years back and I can see such growth in your walk with the Lord. It has been a privilege to watch.

  32. poohpity says:

    I have found the exact opposite to be true of myself my heart seems to be getting harder. I pray that the Lord will not leave me like this.

  33. Bob in Cornwall England says:

    The time is getting late here 01:30am and I have to be awake again at 6am, but yes! Praise God!
    Any change is down to Him and Him alone.
    A couple of years ago I was trying to have one foot in each camp. Sunday Worship followed by a few drinks in the pub, followed by me being a bit tipsy and argumentative.
    Now my Tent is pitched firmly in His camp.
    I still have an occasional pint and know many people in pubs and around the village I can just drop in and chat to. But, and a big But, I now take Jesus in with me and don’t leave Him on the street outside.
    We must make sure Jesus is in our boat because the storm is raging all about and He said we would cross to the other side and that I know for sure, no matter what happens on the journey.


  34. oneg2dblu says:

    Mike, I read somewhere that, “Fear of the Lord was the beginning of knowledge, but fools despise wisdom and discipline.” I really believe it, because it is in the Word of God, in Proverbs 1:7 NIV. I thought all Christians would at least obey that one premise, until I ran into some of the Once saved always Saved who are so secure in their doctrine, they even lack the normal Fear of the Lord. Their feeling is even the most robust and continual sin does not ever affect them anymore, because they are saved no matter what! If they don’t believe it, saying they really choose to live differently, then they should not let their hallowed teachers teach it either, but what is taught today about sin having no effect was certainly never preached by Christ. So you are so very right about that there is “no fear anymore,” about how we should live, and because of their doctrine that group has no law to live under, or rules to obey, or God to even fear. It is just not part of their sacred ideology as taught; where to me both the worldly and the Once Saved Always Saved are looking so very uncomfortably familiar… But low and behold, I am often accused of being a legalist. I’M GUILTY! I’m just too immature and foolish to not to obey the Word of God. I should have picked the kinder words with much less conviction because everyone drinks them up so easily…but even the hard lessons are written for a reason. Gary

  35. bubbles says:

    Might I make a comment? This may not communicate what I am trying so say.
    I have read and heard people say they are not Christians. I have read where people say they are Christians but will not fellowship in a church. Both of these groups of people have both said other Christians are “hypocrites” and that is why they will not either be saved or attend church.
    Now, I can understand their sentiments.
    BUT what if this is an excuse? What if they are blaming others for their choices or lack of choices?

    Everyone must be accountable and responsible for their own choices and behavior.

    Christians are not perfect. We make mistakes.

    I am not saying that we should not be circumspect in our walk or not be careful of our testimony. Nor do we want to repel others by our unkindness or lack of love towards all people. But I do believe sometimes there are those who blame Christians when they should not.

  36. Mikek says:

    oneg2dblu,you are correct and I hope you grow to spiritual maturity soon and enjoy the blessing of being saved and let go of the fear of losing your salvation.

    Yes, you are correct, I said you are immature if you think that what happened to you can be undone.

    No believer anywhere at any time lost their salvbation for any reason…ever.

  37. Mart De Haan says:

    oneg2dblu,my guess is that, if we all worked together, we could make a long list of beliefs, including the belief that being born into the family of God results in security in Christ– as well as the belief that such a family relationship remains conditional.

    Am also thinking that if we all compared notes for a while, we could put with all of the beliefs in our list–the names of people who by our way of thinking are hypocritical, inconsistent, and a shame to the name of Christ.

    Then, if we all worked together, and took some time to see the project through, I’ll bet we could find examples of those who had combined scandal with a false sense of security, who later discovered that there had been more to lose than they thought. At the very least, let’s say that they discovered over time that they had wasted a chance to show others how much a deeply rooted relationship to Christ really does enable us to take notice of those around us who needed our help, heart, and friendship.

    Would bet just as much that we could find believers in Jesus who fell in into sin– while being terrified that their failures would cause them to be thrown out of the family of God, later discovering that they had been far more secure than they ever imagined.

    Bad examples of any belief can be found– with one of the worst results being that, for as long as we are preoccupied with ourselves, we fail to give our Savior the attention he deserves– and that others need.

  38. yooperjack says:

    Although I don’t agree with you Gary and have given you so much information to debunk your belief. I sure admire your standing up for what you believe, brother. We may be all tested on our belief system before it’s over. I hope I will have your stamina.

  39. florida7sun says:

    Praise the Lord we have a Savior. – John 3:16

    “The New Testament is the very best book that ever was or ever will be known in the world.” – Charles Dickens

  40. oneg2dblu says:

    Mike… I wish “salvation alone” was the issue, but it isn’t!
    However, it is doctrinally used to completely negate the issue of Fear of the Lord. If you just re-read my words, Fear of the Lord is the very issue I’m trying to help others understand. Not those who are not saved, as they have no fear and no knowledge of their sinful ways, but those who claim they are saved and then adopt a no fear attitude about how they live their New Life in Christ always flirting with the old ways as if they have learned nothing but the word salvation.
    I fear for them the most, for without change they do not honor God with their thoughts or their bodies anymore than the unsaved, because they have their salvation all wrapped up in one or two verses they will die with, and ignore all the others that preceded them for a reason. You also may have fallen prey to that doctrine which makes today’s ODB useless for any Godly rebuke or correction, because you have the eyes of a once saved one?
    What I and God see, is that a once saved one will do anything with their eyes they please, and with no Fear of God! That would make 2 Timothy 3:16 useless as well!
    I hope you are not blind to what point I’m trying to make here, and the very point of the Job verses sited today in the ODB lesson. Job was also Eternally Secure, but Daily Serving the Covenant as well! We’ve lost the covenant issues and the battle too, if we give in to all our sin nature as we please, always thinking we are scot- free. Satan is the crafty one who controls the Wiles of Sin even in the Redeemed who should no longer bow down to them or to him, because you can not serve two masters. I read that somewhere also, and I chose to believe it.
    Who will master your eyes today?
    Oh yeah, the one you serve will and the one you should fear the most, will just have to take second place again.
    That is what I fear the most from the once saved among us! Not for me Mike, but for all the Redeemed whom you and I know, God is still watching!
    Have a blessed day, Gary

  41. remarutho says:

    Good Morning Mart & Friends –

    It seems to me that sincerely being sold out to Jesus alone (Acts 3:13, 16) will bear good fruit. In my experience, conversion of the lost and miracles round about are the working of God the Holy Spirit alone. Our part as the body of Christ – two, three, a hundred or more – is to be in prayer with hope and expectation, giving all the glory to our triune God. Prayer has usually changed me more than anyone else — and taken me out of the prayer closet into action and witness.

    The ruination of this comes when someone (lay or clergy) steps out and begins to take any sort of credit for what God is doing.

    If members of the community are slow to recognize God’s working, will we still pray? If somebody else gets the “credit” for signs and wonders, will we still pray? If we are discredited and slandered, will we still pray? If there are not immediate results, will we still pray?

    Mart, you asked:

    “So 2000 years later what can we do to get the attention of our generation?”

    What if only God gets the attention of our generation? Would we rejoice in it? – and keep praying for and with those who come to faith in Jesus?


  42. yooperjack says:

    Maru: It’s not if but when God gets the attention of our generation, if we are indeed the last gerneration. Oh boy, will we ever rejoice while the world trembles. I’m getting feelings of wanting to shout just writing about it. The problem the world will have is it will be too late for them. Our prayers will not help them the door will be closed forever.

    Now is the time to recieve the gift of salvation by “Grace through Faith.”

  43. BruceC says:

    Jesus said to love the Lord your God and to love one another as I have loved you.

    Sometimes we don’t see much love amongst Christians and sometimes it shows here also.

    What would an unbeliever think if he were reading this blog?

    In Revelation there are many catastrophic events and yet they would not repent. The unsaved will see Christ in our love and not in the event itself.

    And it doesn’t matter if one goes to what some call a “dry” church or if you attend what some call a “circus”. We have to love. Been to “spirit filled” churches where the love was as shallow as a puddle and to conservative churches where the love ran deep.

    THE LOVE OF CHRIST That is what gets attention; because there is so little in the world and in some churches also.

    Soli Deo Gloria!

  44. yooperjack says:

    After 911 the T.V. news said many Churches had an increase in attendance. It fell away later. That was a small event in comparison to what could happen.

  45. oneg2dblu says:

    Mart, as you say we can all make a list, but God has already made one.
    It is the Love of Christ that gets attention when we live according to the word, then, we actually get to model and live in the love of Christ.
    Philippians 1:9-11 and 1 Peter 2:11-12. To me, these verses can not be ignored because of the Grace we now live under, or the Mercy we now receive. They are clearly written to the saved for a purpose, to be both read and to be obeyed, lest we allow Our Salvation alone to then undermine even His Word!
    My mind stays spiritully captured,immature as child. Gary

  46. poohpity says:

    In the fall of 2010 there was a middle aged walking impaired women who just had gotten off a plane sitting in the smoking section of the airport when a young women around 23 approached her asking for a cigarette. She was weeping and the older woman asked what was happening that caused all the tears. She began telling of all her trips around the world for a spiritual awaking and she had just left Egypt but found nothing. The older woman asked if she had ever met Jesus and her reply was she was raised in a Christian home but found Christians to be judgmental and critical. The older woman then told her that Christians were not perfect even though some try their hardest but most fail. She then told her that she may just try going to Jesus and learning about Him, His love, forgiveness, mercy and grace.

    The younger woman just starting weeping more and said I think I have known that this whole time but just got lost. The older women offered her a suggestion rather than flying all around the world pick up a bible and search there and the older women prayed with her. The younger one hugged the older one and said God put you here in my home town just for this very moment to help her find her way home and back to Jesus.

    God will get the attention in every generation just as he did in ours but do each of want to be part of that or do we look down on this generation with harsh judgment and criticism when they just need a hug, a listening ear and when asked for a little direction. Then the attention will be on Jesus and not us.

  47. poohpity says:

    OOOps that was 2009 not 2010. :-)

  48. remarutho says:

    Was it you, Deb? I think of the words of the prophet Daniel: “But you, Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, until the time of the end. Many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase.” (Daniel 12:4 RSV)

    It seems to me the generation coming up now (20-somethings) have a seriousness of mind that was lacking in my generation. This bunch is not insisting on “something new,” but seems willing to search out something authentic. Sending someone to the Holy Scriptures is always a sound thing to do!

    In Him,

  49. poohpity says:

    Maru, that is all they are looking for is something authentic and real. They also need to know we have weaknesses and failures too!!

  50. poohpity says:

    They also need to know we do not have all the answers either but to ask the Lord and let Him alone reveal Himself to them.

  51. yooperjack says:

    This generation of young people already know we don’t have the answers, all they need to do is look around at how we screwed everything up. They are very smart and educated and can’t find a job. I hope they turn to God but most will check their black berries first for answers. They are being set up to be followers not leaders.

    Just a thought.

  52. poohpity says:

    I would have to disagree Jack. My generation was taught to do as I say not as I do and the parents were presented as having all the answers and never to question anything they say.

    Today, I do not know about other parents but I taught my children to question, to watch for inconsistencies, that I am not perfect, to not go on my faith, to read the bible by example and to search for answers for themselves and they saw dependence on the Lord by my actions. I taught them to think for themselves and not to depend on me. I did not force them to love the Lord just showed them I do. That I will always love them no matter how I disagree with their behavior.

  53. yooperjack says:

    Poohpity: we did the same with our kids they’re in their 40s plus. I’m talking about this millenial generation. My daughter has to train these kids and they have an additude that they know it all and are the best and if corrected they will quit. They’ve been told all of their livies you are the best, smartest kid in the universe and they believe it. They are not team players.

    They will be followers because of those electronic gadgets they are being brian washed with.

  54. poohpity says:

    My daughter is 34, my sons are 24 and 23. I thought I knew everything too when I was their age and even the older generation thinks they know everything that is something that has no age limits because it is pride. Only humility says I do not know everything and am open to learning. That takes people admitting they need help to understand and allowing people to suffer the consequences of the choices they make. Most parents today do everything for their children and that includes keeping them from experiencing the effects of bad choices. Giving them everything they ask for even it is not in their best interests and not allowing them to suffer the pain from life decisions and trying to fix things for them.

  55. yooperjack says:

    You understand Poohpity.

  56. royalpalm says:

    Hello, Mart and friends,
    Mart, your question, “Any opinions about what it might take to help our generation take another look not at us, but at the only one who can give anyone something worth living and dying for?” is a question that grips my soul as I look around at the people who do not know the Lord.

    Verses like ” You did not choose Me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit, and that your fruit should remain…” (John 15:16); “18 Now all things are of God, who has reconciled us to Himself through Jesus Christ, and has given us the ministry of reconciliation, 19 that is, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation.20 Now then, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were pleading through us…(2 Cor. 5:18-20) again remind me of the enormity of my calling as a member of God’s kingdom.

    I believe that it is the prayers of faithful believers that will turn this generation to God. It is our intercession at the throne of grace for God’s Name to be honored, that His will be done, and that His kingdom be established in people’s lives – that will move His power and Holy Spirit to work in people’s hearts. Salvation is God’s work from beginning to end – starting with the conviction of sin by the Holy Spirit and the leading and teaching of truth regarding righteousness and judgment in Jesus Christ (John 16:8) God wants us to pray – all the time for ourselves and for others.

    Time with God -By virtue of our faith we are saved, but only those who abide in the Lord are the ones who will bear fruit (John 15:4,5).Today people will also notice those who spend time with Jesus (Acts 4:13) because like the good soil in the Parable of the Sower, they hear His word and understand it because they spend time with Him – and they bear and produce fruit. (Matt. 13:23).

    Likewise, a self controlled, upright, and godly life (1 Tim 2:1-4); humility (Micah 6:9); Sacrifice (Luke 14:33) – when these are exhibited in a person – God will use that person to bring unbelievers to Himself.

  57. royalpalm says:

    Oops…Sorry, I pasted the wrong references… Last line should be:
    Likewise, a self controlled, upright, and godly life (Titus 2:11); humility (Micah 6:8); Sacrifice (Luke 14:33) – when these are exhibited in a person – God will use that person to bring unbelievers to Himself.

  58. mtman says:

    This is not a new question. If you read the apology of Tertullian AD 197, this question/attitude plagued early Christians. “We are a body knit together as such by a common religious profession, by unity of discipline, and by the bond of a common hope. We meet together as an assembly and congregation that, offering up prayers to God as with united force, we may wrestle with Him in our supplications……On the monthly day, if he likes, each puts in a small donation; but only if it be his pleasure, and only if he be able: for there is no compulsion, all is voluntary. These gifts are not spent on feasts, and drinking-bouts, and eating-houses, but to support and bury poor people, to supply the wants of boys and girls destitute of means and parents, and of old persons confined now to the house such, too, as have suffered shipwreck, and if there happens any in the mines or banished to the islands or shut up in the prisons for nothing but their fidelity to the cause of God’s Church….But it is mainly the deeds of a love so noble that lead many to put a brand upon us. See, they say, how they love one another, for they themselves are animated by mutual hatred. See, they say about us, how they are ready even to die for one another, for they themselves would sooner kill”.

    The question is not a new one. When asked did not the Lord say the first commandment is to love God with all your heart, mind and soul and the second one is like it that you should love your brother as yourself.

    Therein lies the answer. The early Christians were criticized for loving each other. Their love was visible and outsiders had a hard time believing it was an honest love. People are drawn to God by the actions of others. What they can see in their lives. You can preach all day long but it is how you live your life that will draw others to the Lord. Not complicated but not easy either. As Mart said, if we came together on things that we agree upon, but maybe if we came together to love it could change the world much like the early Christians did. Just my humble opinion.

  59. abraham99 says:

    My Spirit totally agrees with yours Mikek. I too went through ‘the mill’ with books etc. Now all I have is my bible, commentarties and concordance and what a feast!!! I was so busy reading what everyone had said ‘You’ve got to read’ that I forgot ‘the way home’. All denominations went out as well. They all confused me like the Tower of Bable they too were building their own towers with billboards and advertising and I was travelling all over at great expense. No more….I found the Christ in a little book called the bible.

  60. jayh says:

    When I was searching I wanted to see God somewhere.
    I met a couple who delighted in going to church, that was an eye opener to me. After so long a search I went to my living room and prayed. It was what I saw in them, the joy that made me realise I did not have that. so I prayed ” Lord will you do for me what you have done for them ” I prayed like a child.
    I share this because it is what I saw that made the difference.
    I listen to questions like this, Jesus asking ” What do you do more than they ” and I ask myself what do the unbelievers see? What do even the fellow Christians see?

    I spent a long time trying to find God and He was the one I was searching for, not a religion but the one who answered my prayer when we were thousands of feet up on a flight to Cyprus and it developed engine trouble.
    “If you let me live I will search for you” He did let me live and after 2 years called me to keep my promise. Hence the long search.

    I went to many places where believers met but I couldn’t find him until I saw joy in persons face.
    going to the place they met I found a home and a lving family that I has never known. A Pastor who loved the flock and was a good shepherd.
    I saw Jesus in a man who, when he was in severe pain, continued to minister to his family, the brethren and to his enemies. when he did that I saw Jesus on the cross and His ministering in His pain.
    I saw the reflection of the life of Christ in him.

    what do they see now?

  61. foreverblessed says:

    Thank you jayh, for your touching post, thank you for sharing. I am a christian, and I am asking God, please that joy that so many have. can You give it to me. Please remember that many christians are still struggling to get more freedom in the Spirit, and in all the fruit of the Spirit. Which I am too, I try to be more full of joy, but I do not have it myself, it must flow through me by the Spirit, and I ask for it. I try to make this home a cosy home, a peaceful home where people want to come. The peace was the first thing I struggled for, that has made huge steps forward, I had no peace inside, but just realise while writing about not having enough joy, that this same thing I had years ago about peace, and look how much more peace inside my heart is, by looking to Jesus more and more, and trusting Him all is well, and asking step by step more of His characteristics.
    Overcoming is the thing, we overcome: not being peaceful,
    not being joyful
    not being patient
    Gal 5:22

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