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The Work that Consumes Us

Labor can mean many different things:

1.  The pain women endure to be the bearers of life.

2.  The work done to bring in a harvest.

3.  The history of workers standing together against unfair practices.

Freely chosen, it can be the source of some of our greatest joys. Forced, or withheld,  it can break our backs or spirit.

In a one of a kind essay of the Old Testament, king Solomon poetically and rhythmically leads us through the dark shadows that caused him to painfully ask: “What do people get for all their hard work under the sun?” (Ecc 1:1-3)

More than a few of us have asked the same question. To our loss we have failed to see how the worship of the first day of the week relates to the work of the rest.

Might be a good time to compare notes on what we are learning about the hours that consume most of our lives. The labor of doing work, or looking for employment, or caring for those we love without any thought of weekly compensation.

Does it bother us that those who work the hardest, often do so with the least recognition or compensation? Have wise mentors helped us develop a theology of work? Or do we see it only as a part of the curse?

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91 Responses to “The Work that Consumes Us”

  1. SFDBWV says:

    Many of us make more work for ourselves than we need, while others among us have found utopia on earth by doing nothing, by riding the backs of those who do.

    This is the stuff that breeds political debate.

    In the beginning God rested from His *work* of creation and Adam had the *job* of naming everything, Eve as his *proper helper* and companion.

    So labor was there from the very beginning of all things.

    It would appear that the *curse* only added pain and frustration into the formula of working.

    Most of the parables Jesus taught from were taught from a base of worker and employer, and finally Jesus commands His followers to work for Him in spreading the Gospel, a job that has no holidays nor end until He returns.

    Even after His return His followers are to continue working in helping Him rule.

    So it appears that *labor* is here to stay, I see nothing in the Scripture that suggests people are to become dormant.

    For many of us, today holds no special meaning in that we can rest from our duties, those things will go on as long as life continues, the best we can hope for is to enjoy the labor of the day God has provided for us and be thankful that we are doing His will for us happily.


  2. SFDBWV says:

    I will also add Ecclesiastes 12: 13, 14 as a matter of recourse, that God will bring every *work* into judgment, whether good or evil.


  3. invertedcow says:

    Years ago I read a little blue book by Brother Lawrence(?). He suggested that you stay in constant communion with God.

    “In all things give praise” became one of my base motivators.

    I work in a physical, demanding and thankless job. But every day I dedicate my work to Jesus. Every grouchy person, every splinter every time I cut or scrape a knuckle I remember that I do all things for him.

    When you attempt, (I am not always successful) to do everything as an act of praise, then there is no work. When you let nothing between you and your walk with Him then EVERY earthly task is just something to keep your hands busy.

    Just my thought.

  4. tracey5tgbtg says:

    Amen invertedcow! The book you speak of came to my mind immediately upon reading the blog post. I sometimes keep a copy in my purse and read it on my lunch break. What peace to remember to do all things not for men, but for Him.

    Also thought of Matt 11:28-30. Come to Me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon
    you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and humble in heart and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.

    I enjoy reading Ecclesiastes when I find myself getting too caught up in the things of this world and trying to make myself happy with what I accomplish or with having things that are supposed to make me happy or when I feel guilty for not trying harder to do it all. How much better to simply praise God for He is good. Psalm 46:10

    I am thankful for a day off from going to work. But if I didn’t work, this would be just another day. Work makes a time of rest so much sweeter.

  5. Bob in Cornwall England says:

    I only work 3 hours a day 6 days a week and look forward to my morning off when I can lay in bed a bit longer.
    You think having so much time on my hands would be great and I could be doing this and that for the Lord.
    Not true!
    I find that the more time I have spare the less I do.
    The old saying “If you want something done then give it to a busy man to do” is very true.
    God knew too well, even before the fall, that if we had nothing to do we would start getting board with our lot in life and laze around.
    We are always glad to get back home after a two week holiday in “paradise”.
    I have no children or family to keep me busy. When you think of the years spent dedicated to bringing up children, it is a wonder anyone has time. But, like I said above, the more time you have spare the less you do.
    I find this blog occupies my thoughts and keeps me from mischief, but, like Mart said, we have been commissioned by Jesus to carry on His work on Earth.
    On another meaning of the word “Labour”, My great great great uncle on my mothers side, George Loveless, was the ring leader of the Topudle Martyrs in Dorset, England, My home county.
    They were the first people, Farm workers, to rise up against their employers during the industrial revolution and are credited with forming the first trade union.
    They were all deported to Australia, so it must have been after 1776 when you lot in the colonies through your toys out of the pram.
    Work ethic is to be admired but God also taught us to rest!


  6. confeticat says:

    Invertedcow, I too read that inspiring little book by brother Lawrence years ago. If all those little moments he had were run together in one continuous stream, that would be abiding in Jesus.

    Your last thought captures this: “When you let nothing between you and your walk with Him then EVERY earthly task is just something to keep your hands busy.” John 6:27

  7. remarutho says:

    Good Morning Mart & Friends —

    Good stuff here this morning! Thanks for your world-view, Invertedcow. I also struggle with that view of Brother Lawrence. It is a blessing to greet a new day where there is work to do. Not always simple to pray through a troublsesome one.

    God considers Sabbath so crucial that it appears as the fourth commandment. It seems to me a Sabbath is needed for our physical need to stop, rest and honor our Creator. Think of the lowly congregational or worship
    leader who must take a personal Sabbath some other day than the first day of the week.

    According to Scripture, it is not good to be consumed with work. Being productive and effective involves finding that balance. Love that Psalm 46:10 wisdom, Tracey! I fail too often to unwind enough to even get to genuine prayer. Taking rest is a discipline, isn’t it?


  8. remarutho says:

    Exodus 20:8, 9, 10, 11 and Deuteronomy 5:12, 13, 14, 15.

  9. confeticat says:

    Jesus never took a Sabbath from doing God’s will. In our daily lives, there is what Elisabeth Elliot calls “the tyranny of the urgent.” Things we must do that get in the way of the more important things.

  10. SFDBWV says:

    It is an interesting observation that Jesus did most if not all of his miracles on the Sabbath.

    Life’s struggles never take a holiday, nor do our efforts to ease them.

    The great difference is not in whether we do or don’t rest, rather how the power of God enables us to endure and in the end there will be rest.


  11. Bob in Cornwall England says:

    I think any debate about the Sabbath’s sanctity is rather irrelevant today.
    For a start we, as Christians, have never, except in the first century as Jewish Christians, honoured the Sabbath.
    We have celebrated the first day of the week as a worship day/gathering in fellowship day.
    Remember most of the world, at that time, would be about their normal business on this day.
    And in modern times the world is about it’s business 24/7
    Sabbath is to celebrated by Israel and is from sunset Friday to Sunset Saturday.
    We are not bound by it and Jesus certainly was not.
    Mark 2: 27
    Basically Jesus said the Sabbath is under our control and it is not there to control us.

    To be a workaholic is sin & to be a Lazy Sloth is also sin.
    We must learn to give our all for God and to God but also rest both physically and in Him.
    How many times do we read that Jesus went away by Himself to pray or He sat down and rested, like at the well, but He never stopped doing His Fathers Will!


  12. confeticat says:

    God never changed the Sabbath to the first day of the week. Because you’ve always done it that way doesn’t make it right.

  13. Bob in Cornwall England says:

    I totally agree.
    Like I said, Sabbath is sunset Friday to Sunset Saturday and has never been honoured by Gentile followers of Jesus.
    It was and is for Israel as Gods chosen people on Earth.
    Sunday is just another day and as such we have no rights to it or do we have a right to force anyone else to recognise it.
    But we do need to rest and it is good for us to be able to rest with others on the same day, but modern life as past life restricts this.
    This subject is about labour and people, like my ancestors, fort long and hard to stop oppressive working conditions and “slave” like employment.
    And God Himself has told us to rest, and if we want to honour the old testament law and keep the jewish Sabbath then that is up to us.
    We are free to do as we see fit,because Jesus set us free to do the will of The Father and not to be enslaved to sin.

  14. His Sparrow says:

    Yes Tracey5tgbtg! And Jesus IS the yoke…(and the narrow path!)

    When I let Jesus be the yoke I have less blisters and callouses. When I follow His lead, I have no pain from the pricks and goads because I don’t cause the purpose for them …something the Sauls of Tarsus of this world (which I was-legalistic) can learn:

    Acts 9:1-6 in the King James translation:

    “And Saul, yet breathing out threatenings and slaughter against the disciples of the Lord went unto the high priest, And desired of him letters to Damascus to the synagogues, that if he found any of this way, whether they were men or women, he might bring them bound unto Jerusalem. And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven: And he fell to the earth and heart a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks. And he trembling and astonished said, Lord ‘what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord said unto him, Arise and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do. And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man.”

    I have learned to ask God what labor I am to do and what not to do so work doesn’t consume me.

    I have learned to respect and help those who labor without recognition, compensation; help them if I can; get to know people personally so as not to judge behavior improperly.

    Next, in the King James translation I have, John 6:27 reads:

    “Labor not for the meat which perisheth but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.”

    Reading at least the entire chapter is important; Chapter 5 first is even better.

    It is Jesus parable about He being the Bread of Life and Everlasting Food. If you like the theme of identifying the names of God, these two are cool.

    Pricks and goads! Isn’t that interesting?

    Back in the day, and still today, animals which pull wagons, etc. or perform work of some sort are stabbed/poked/prodded with a sharp stick (and worse) to do their work in the way it is required or just to do the work as opposed to not working…

    People in the world during Jesus’ life on earth knew about this-it was how work got done… the terms pricks and goads… in my country, today, the meaning of pricks has changed a lot.; goad is rarely used, I was thinking that if you think that (Holy Spirit guided) Christians, like me, are pricks, well, ask God to intervene, as He did with Saul of Tarsus!

    His Sparrow

  15. confeticat says:

    An interesting vignette which I would not touch with a ten foot pole! Back to Bob’s, Jesus did say he is Lord even of the Sabbath (Mark 2;27,28). And when we are in him, we listen to him, not other commandments. But this does not make the Sabbath irrelevant. You are Israel and it will be observed in the millennial kingdom so we should stay aware of that (Ezek, 44:24;46:1,4,12). It’s coming back, along with animal sacrifices.

    If Christians are going to make a big fuss over Eric Liddell, who refused to run on Sunday and didn’t even have the day right, they can’t say the Sabbath is irrelevant.

  16. confeticat says:

    Let me write that scripture so it will come up. Ezek.44:24;46:1,4,12)

  17. phpatato says:

    Colossians 3:23

    My Mom spoke that to me many times throughout my young married life. I was/am a stay at home mother/wife. I will hazard a guess that I have only worked outside the home 10 – certainly not 15 years since being married at 20. There were many times during that time of raising 2 children and being a homemaker that I felt inadequate. I didn’t see the things I did as being worthy. Putting bandaids on cuts, washing clothes and making dinner seemed to me as being too mundane. I often looked outside the window and wondered what there was out there, important, that I could do, that would make me feel as if I was contributing in a better way in making this world go round. Mom picked up on my attitude quite quickly while visiting her and in her Godly wisdom, she reminded me that even though I thought that the work I did in making my little world go round seemed small and lacking in recognition, God saw what I did and it mattered big time to Him. She told me that in order to find happiness, I’d have to learn to be content with what I am doing and with what I have (which then and still isn’t, 2 cars in the driveway, a closet full of unworn shoes or a large home in the suburbs with an inground swimming pool in the backyard). With His guiding help, and the fervent prayers of a loving mother, Philippians 4:11 and 1 Timothy 6:8 became my motto.

    These days I find myself – as I have spoken of before – with the ring of the telephone, chasing after toddler twin grandsons (Narrow they are fraternal) and visiting and helping my 96 year old Dad (and those who sit around him in the nursing home) eat a good supper and get lots of warm hugs. To some such a menial job, to me a satisfaction worth far more than money.

  18. foreverblessed says:

    phpatato, thanks for sharing your story, that was lovely, and it rings a bell with me, as I am a “keeper at home”. Funny that I wanted to be “important” in a worldly view, while long ago I chose to put God and His Kingdom first. How long it takes till I see His work. His Kingdom is a spiritual kingdom, it is of the spirit and not of this world. I am doing a spiritual job, and am learning to start my day in giving it in Jesus’s hands, like invertedcow wrote, doing everything in praise for Jesus. Even dusting, cleaning socks, which I am doing now, (the washing machine, thanks for the washing machine, my job would have been much harder without it).
    Then everything we do is a great song for our Lord and Master Jesus.
    But if I do not have this joy, I stop, and go praying, seeking His rest. His life, and I ask for it, that He may fill me, and not these nagging thoughts about all that has to be done, the urgent, while the important, is to be IN Jesus, be with Him in Spirit. I am strifing to live a life of joy in everything, but I am not there yet.

    Later we will see, what work we have done in the Spirit, when we see the people in His Kingdom, for which we prayed. I am already looking forward to that with joy. And for that matter, doing menial work is great, you can pray while doing it.

  19. bubbles says:

    God forgive me for writing this. He laid a job in my lap. I am thankful for it. But this job is eating me alive.

    This year I have made changes. I am going into work 45-45 minutes earlier than I did in the past. I cannot get the work done. After working all day, there’s work to bring home. I have at minimum four hours every weekend to complete, usually it’s 8 to 9 hours of weekend work. I am going to church, but I am so tired by the time Sunday rolls around, all I want to do is sleep.

    This work prevents me from spending time with family. When I am not working, there are errands to run, and housework to do. There’s very little time to stop and be still.

    It has gotten to the point I hate life. Is it supposed to be this difficult?

    I don’t want to lose this job, but I wish there was a way I could do this without it sucking the life out of me. Please pray I can find something that supports me but does not require every minute. Thank you.

  20. poohpity says:

    ODB today was a beautiful reminder that everything we do whether in the home or out of the home, we do to bring Glory to God. (Eph 6:7) I do not think complaining and grumbling about pay, hours, bosses and any job we have before us brings Glory to God.

    Jesus reminds us that good can be done even on the Sabbath which in performing His healing did not hold Him back.

  21. poohpity says:

    bubbles, when I submitted my post yours had not come up yet so please do not feel that it was written in regards to anything you said because it was not.

  22. confeticat says:

    Funny you should mention washing machine. My upstairs neighbors’ machine overflowed Sat. evening and I am right now awaiting the carpet cleaner.

    It is amazing how Jesus and/or his angels work out every detail so that we can get the rest we need yet accomplish what he wants us to do. It’s not something we have to worry about. He doesn’t care if there’s dust on your furniture. i remember several of us visiting at this lady’s house and we all saw it at the same time – this beautiful ornate cobweb hanging under her table lamp. She was embarrassed and ran and got a cloth but we didn’t mind and I’m sure Jesus was smiling.

  23. Bill says:

    @bubbles, you’re not alone. In this economy, nearly every employer has cut back to the point where it’s not just bare bones…it’s practically slave labor.

    My wife works long, hard hours. She’s there early, late, and on weekends. And the work still can’t get done. She often leaves 200-300 unanswered e-mails in her In Box because she just can’t get to them. She loves her co-workers, and is thrilled to be doing what she’s doing. But the workload is burning her out.

    I have my own business. I am a Marketing/PR consultant, a copywriter, a screenwriter, a Life Coach. I am not “employed” in the sense that I have one employer. I actually have several. So I work harder now than when I was employed by ad agencies and corporations. On the one hand, I’m thankful that I’ve had such a long and storied career. I can do anything because I’ve done everything. Yet, on the other hand, I don’t often feel I’m doing what I should be doing. I think there’s an opportunity out there tailor-made for me and my unique skill set.

    On top of that, it feels like the hands of the clock are relentless. They spin uncontrollably, faster every day. The time between wake up and lights out is a blur.

    So I know exactly how you feel.

    The best we can do in life is the best we can do. From my vantage point of middle age, I know things are temporary. One never knows what’s just around the corner. A new opportunity may open up for you in a few days, a few months, or a few years. But it will.

    Hang in there. And know this: we will pray for you. So you will not endure each day alone. The Lord is beside you. We are supporting you.

    Keep us posted, okay?

    These are wonderful posts today. Thank you to everyone for sharing.


  24. confeticat says:

    Mitch Albom has written a novel called The Time Keeper. I haven’t read it, i think it’s just out, but it’s about living by the clock vs. doing the thing you were called to do. In the latter scenario time passes much slower, you have time for everything you are called to do and you know you are accomplishing what you were called to do.

  25. Bob in Cornwall England says:

    Everyone is making me feel guilty as I have so much time to spare.
    I have been talking with the elders of our church about prayer and fasting for the Lord to show us which way to progress, but they came back and said the church knows more or less where it is going and is waiting on God.
    Maybe this desire to fast & pray is for me to do as I really don’t know what to do with my time other than to read & study the Bible.
    Been like this for a couple of years now with no disposable money to do anything, just subsisting.
    As a son of the Living God I should be living an abundant life.
    I am content with who & where I am and with my lot, but it seems such a waste.
    I know there is a great task ahead, as does our church, but this “holding” place is like waiting for D-Day.
    I have lived on the south coast all my life, near many places where the allied troops gathered,trained and awaited the order to Sail/march into battle.
    Maybe I am in the correct place, just waiting for the order?


  26. bubbles says:

    Deb, thank you.

    Bill, thank you for understanding. I don’t know what this is, is it burnout, depression or both feeding each other.

  27. poohpity says:

    Bob, I think we have marching orders when we step out our doors. For you prayer and fasting is a special ability and for anyone to tell you they already know what they are going to do must have written in pen rather than pencil. Please we need prayer warriors and it a vital gift of the Spirit and God will lay on your heart your marching orders for each day.

    Trust me when I first was not able to go to work because of my health, I felt as if my world would come crashing down around me because I was brought up by 2 work-a-holics, type A personalities but my current ABBA still uses me wherever I go for His work. You are available and God will and does still use those who are ready to go and it sounds like you are ready to go praying and fasting waiting on the Lord.

    Being so busy all the time that one can not take time to read God’s Word or pray before the day begins is just to busy in my opinion. God no longer has priority but may take last place in a day, I do not feel that is or was His intent to be consumed by anything other than Him.

  28. confeticat says:

    The “thing you were called to do” is Luke 17:33.

  29. poohpity says:

    The thing we are called to do is Matt 28:19. That can mean just one person who is sitting all alone who needs the touch of the master’s hand. The person who lives next door who is lonely or needs a meal, cup of hot tea and a hug. It does not necessarily mean traveling to remote parts of the world but could mean at the grocery store or on the beach. God will provide the person we just need to be ready to go. Who will He send? Those who are willing to listen and go.

  30. confeticat says:

    It will do no eternal good to do Matt. 28:19 unless you have first done Luke 17:33.

  31. cherielyn says:

    A friend of ours, who passed away in his 90’s 5 years ago, was the kind of person who could talk to anyone, anywhere, anytime about the Lord. At his funeral, one of his sons shared how they went fishing one day. Another person, a total stranger, was also there fishing. Our friend went up to him, struck up a conversation and after awhile the stranger (no longer a stranger) was on his knees confessing his sins and asking Jesus to be his Saviour.

    I wish, but don’t have the gift or ability to go out there and just strike up a conversation with a stranger as our friend did. My opportunities to do similar have come along when God has dropped them in my lap.

    In the end, it is all a part of our “labor” as Christians.

  32. poohpity says:

    I think the Luke passage if kept in context is referring to the second coming but when we accept what Jesus did on the Cross we have traded our old life for a new one in Him. We can not earn an eternal destiny, we are given that eternal home by believing that the penalty for our sins has been paid. Signed, sealed and delivered to our eternal home by Jesus. While we are here we are free to do good things for others along with the great commission. So it would seem that the look passage is further down the line as we wait for the return of our Lord and in that time of waiting because we have given our lives to Him we act out what we are given. You give love, mercy, and grace you will get. Read it in context Luke 6:38

  33. poohpity says:

    Luke not look, lol.

  34. poohpity says:

    cherielyn, I think they are all just dropped in our laps. The fisherman was dropped into the lap of your friend. Some are called to seed, some to water and some to harvest your friend was there for the harvest. The sad part is when they are in our laps and we do nothing. We do not seed, water or harvest.

  35. His Sparrow says:

    OK Bubbles I will pray for the change you need.

    What is it about the work environment or the work itself where you are that needs to change? Does everything always have to be perfect? perfectly finished, perfectly performed, perfect in appearance, timing? unreasonably perfect? how do your co workers do perfect? what about unfinished? what happens when unfinished happens?

    A long time ago I was in a corporate wide layoff…it was the best thing that ever happened to me. I miss my big paychecks and I loved the work…I was a perfectionist and in a field where it was needed; but I neglected my God and my family.

    Today I (temporarily, 8 years now,) have no job but I am ok, praise God. I have things in place to start school (again) and am trusting God for an outcome.

    It’s not easy but it can be done especially if you let people help you. When I had to do the survival thing, Poohpity gave me tremendous inspiration and confidence…I’d give another horse story about endurance, but I’m out of ten foot poles.

    His Sparrow

  36. confeticat says:

    Luke 17:33 (one of several just like it) refers to our relationship with Jesus, not what he did on the cross. We can’t make disciples unless we are a disciple ourself.

    Otherwise, when the Lord calls you to go, you are likely to say something like “First let me say good-bye to my family” (Luke 9:61), whether the Lord is calling you across the world or next-door.

  37. foreverblessed says:

    Bubbles, I pray for you, God will find a way, this sounds no good to me.
    How can you find rest in Jesus when daily chores are too much on you. But still Jesus tells us to put all our loads on Him, so please do this in the spirit, and wait in faith. I pray for your faith in Him, amd for the rest that will come in Him, He is your Sabbath and mine.

    Bob, you sitting there, like a winter tree, read this: (it’s from God at eventide September 6)
    “Are you ready for training and discipline? Like my winter-trees, seemingly useless and impotent to those who do not understand the enrooting in Me which keeps you steadfast amid storms and winter cold.
    All through the dark months when your beauty (your power to help and shield) has been sacrificed, you are yet drawing in strength and sustenance.
    The time to help will come again, and you will have learned to have no personal pride in the beauty of your foliage and the restfulness of your shade.
    You will use them for those who need them, but will give the glory to Me, your Lord.”

    When time seems so still and we seem to be unused, then we are being rooted and grounded in Jesus, it is precious time.

  38. confeticat says:

    Luke 3:9

  39. SFDBWV says:

    Today is one of many that I would love to have you all be able to experience life here in my home, Matt is eating his dinner and I fixing fish and rice for myself and Glenna.

    Matt always listens to two CD’s after his shower and today they are running a bit behind schedule. Right now Allen Jackson is on and he just finisher singing “A Hard Hat and a Hammer”, a salute to the *working* people; how very appropriate.

    Reading the thread today is very uplifting, and I love *people* stories far above *Bible Challenge*.

    Cherielyn I often use a word found only once in the King James it is “Unction”; I have used it to express an overwhelming urgency to accomplish some task, never really knowing why or what may be going on I am just *pushed* to do it, and unction always seemed to me to sound right in trying to say what the experience is like.

    After using it for years I was overwhelmed to learn it means “Anointing*.

    Unless you have experienced it for yourself it is a difficult experience to describe, you can not ignore it, you must obey it and are driven to do so. In fact God will not only push you He will enable you to have all of the *tools* necessary to accomplish this *task* He has place upon you. A side thought; you can not rest until it is obeyed.

    It sounds like your elderly friend may have just obeyed that unction in him as God knew the heart of the stranger next to him was ready to receive the salvation message and accept Jesus as Lord.


  40. poohpity says:

    con, we can not have a relationship with Him if we do not accept what he did on the Cross. That is the “only” way to God, eternal life, being born again and for entry into the Kingdom of God. (John 3:16,17)

  41. Bob in Cornwall England says:

    and confeticat.
    I do agree that I am on the brink of a miracle.
    Sorry con’ but maybe, like Paul, sometimes we have to “live” in a place that is not our root, but have to see by faith what is to come.
    I am not Paul or a saint and I struggle with that!


  42. Bob in Cornwall England says:

    Have you ever seen a one legged man do the high jump, I just have…. Praise God!
    Who cares!
    He just won a gold.
    We have had so much media coverage here.
    The papers are full of pictures.
    The Olympics are a pale insignificance compared to this!
    USA get your act together or loose your place as no.1 in the world!

  43. poohpity says:

    Bob, I have to disagree, you are a saint as are all those who trusted in Jesus and His work on the Cross. Romans 1:7; 8:27

  44. Bob in Cornwall England says:

    I am not just a Brit, I know what is going on!

  45. bubbles says:

    I never said anythihng about things being “perfect” I am talking about them just getting done. Done period.
    It seems like when I do things, they are good enough. Just getting laundry done, and getting groceries and running a few errands takes ups all Saturday. Friday night I am too tired to think about work. Everything is a mess and I cannot sleep enough. I am tired to the point of tears almost every day. It has been very hot. Where I work hit 90 degrees for two days in a row. I am in this hot environment all day long. The heat is exhausting.

    I have 45 minutes to get things done during the day. Meetings consumed 3 of the last 5 days. Tomorrow I will lose the free time due to a meeting. I said NO to the meeting, but NO was not accepted. So, I will have to work through lunch to get caught up on what did not get done.

    When I come home, I am so tired I don’t want to think about work, my mind needs to stop. But when I don’t do the work brought home, it piles up. And the cycle continues. I thought going in 40 minutes earlier would help, but all it has done is make me more tired than I already was.

    There are days when I don’t have time to eat lunch and I feel like money spent on food is wasted. I said I did not have time to eat, and my supervisor said we were all busy and that they did not have time to eat lunch either, and that skipping lunch would not make any one lose weight, because they had not. I was told to “shut up” in so many words and not say out loud I did not have time for lunch.

    I usually work straight through lunch, which is about 20 minutes and eat as I go when I can.

    God tells us to serve Him with gladness. It’s a sin because I am not glad to be at work. I dread getting out of bed every day.

    I feel like I am sinning because things pile up and Sunday is when they must get done. It’s wrong for a child of God to hate Sunday. I am not honoring Him by what is going on. There’s just not time when time is taken by someone over me for days on end.

    I cannot lose my job, but please pray I can get some counsel from somewhere as to how to change to another type of job.

  46. bubbles says:

    Someone said something about asking for help.
    There is no one here to help. I am alone in this.

  47. poohpity says:

    You are not alone bubbles we are right here with you my friend. I hear your cry for help and I pray that our Lord will give you rest and peace that you need. Prayers are going up for you as I type. Please Father our friend is in need and you promised to satisfy all our needs so please Holy Spirit intercede on her behalf and lift this spirit of depression where she feels so all alone and help. It is in the name of Jesus I pray.

  48. confeticat says:

    Bubbles, when things come to a head this way, it means Jesus has something important to say to you and he wants you to put all the rest aside and listen to him. You are not sinning but you will be if you ignore his voice.

    You must trust him that he is more important than your job, than anything you must lay aside to hear what he wants to say. He has promised to give you peace and rest. He is not a liar, so that means the ball is in your court. He is asking you to risk it all on him. Give all of it to him with your undivided attention and you will be so glad you did.

  49. confeticat says:

    I’m sorry,Bob, I don’t quite understand “sometimes we have to live in a place that is not out root.” i thought you were from GB, so maybe you are speaking metaphorically, I’m not sure.

  50. confeticat says:

    I do accept what Jesus did on the cross, but the cross is not the way to eternal life or the Kingdom of God. Jesus is the way, the truth and the LIFE.

    That he pushes us, as he is doing Bubbles, sometimes sends up the wrong prayers from well-meaning friends. I know someone who read Philip Yancey’s “Where is God When It Hurts?” and he almost committed suicide. Friends are not what she needs – Jesus is the only One she needs.

  51. poohpity says:

    What Jesus did on the Cross is the only way to eternal life or how we are welcomed into the Kingdom of God. No other path. The reason Jesus came to earth was to die for our sins.

    My hunch is your friend who you say read Yancey’s book already had problems and his choice to try and take his own life can not be blamed on any book if that is even true in the first place. My feeling is you just brought that up because I mentioned I was in the process of reading it and added it as another little lie.

  52. Bob in Cornwall England says:

    By “root” I meant outside of my comfort zone and have to live by faith as I cannot see what is ahead.
    Also root means heritage,class, what we deserve. maybe being British I have a different understanding of where my “place in life” is compared to you in the USA.
    Like Paul, we except more that we are born into a place in society, like the Indian cast structure and find it difficult when God asks us to transcend these hidden social boundaries.
    Con, The cross is not the way, the truth, or the life. I accept that, but the cross is the alter on which Jesus placed His life unto death and it is the alter we place our on life daily in order to follow Him.
    Jesus said a wonderful thing to His disciples, He said,”The kingdom of God is in the midst of you” meaning He Himself is the kingdom of God and it was fulfilled on the cross and became available to all.
    You are spot on when you say “Jesus is the way, the truth and the LIFE.” Yes He is the Kingdom and we live in Him, the Kingdom.


  53. confeticat says:

    I don’t lie, Pooh. Of course he had problems or he wouldn’t have read the book, but the book rather than helping triggered an urge to take his life which he had not had before. People need Jesus, not Christian psychology.

    I do not belittle Jesus’ death on the cross. Without it there would be no forgiveness or access to God. The problem is, Christians stay there. Jesus did not mean for us to stay there and be macabre. Satan wants us to do that – that is no threat to him. It is not “an altar we daily place our life on”. This is why you have had these dark feelings, Bob. Jesus wants you to take up your own cross and follow him and have the power to trample on snakes and scorpions (Luke 10:19).

    You find your identity in life through knowing Jesus, not through the people around you. You can’t care what the people around you think. Jesus takes care of that when you are in the Kingdom. The Kingdom has no ‘root’. That signifies a tie to the land. Th Kingdom of God is not of this world.

  54. SFDBWV says:

    I am a little confused, it appears Mart has spread out the monthly BTA topic as “Abandonment”, but the BTA thread remains under the topic “The Work that Consumes us”.

    Since comments to either show up in the most recent comment list to the left of either subject, it appears to either ignore one or try to train my thoughts on two subjects.

    I had an Aunt and Uncle who used to make my head spin every time they would visit. Both would talk at the same time on totally different subjects and I would set across from them nodding my head and grunting uh-uh shifting my glance and eyes between the two of them and never really hear either as a result.

    So I feel the same way with having two topics to discuss, so I guess I will set out for a while or until I am led to say something concrete to contribute to the threads of either.


  55. Bob in Cornwall England says:

    Hi Steve,
    I have a sister and brother in law that do the same.
    They both talk at the same time holding separate conversations with different people and both can swap backwards and forwards between themes without even taking a breath.
    Incredible to watch but mi what a headache one gets.


  56. Bob in Cornwall England says:

    Looking at the times, I can’t believe I woke up and made a coherent comment at 3:22am UK time this morning 9:22pm BTA time.

  57. Mart De Haan says:

    Steve, Bob, and all, here’s the explanation for the 2 conversations going on at once. Once a month our team sends out a e-mail prompt to a large mailing list in an effort to update them on some of the most responded to recent BTA postings.

    I used to try and write a fresh post for that mailing. But sometimes I found myself in the middle of other work, or without an idea to write about. So I finally just told our team to pick one of the past topics for that mailing.

    Was hoping that any regular members of the group on that last would realize that I wasn’t trying to get them to start that conversation over again :-)..

    Sorry for the confusion.

  58. SFDBWV says:

    Mart old buddy you don’t have to explain, this is your world and the work that consumes you, the work that consumes me is far different, but just as consuming.

    Have a good day.


  59. Bob in Cornwall England says:

    Just been watching wheelchair tennis.
    No different in format to ordinary tennis just both player in wheelchairs and having to wheel about the court using their hands on the wheels as well has hit the ball with the racket.
    How do they achieve that and have such long rallies?

  60. poohpity says:

    Sure you do!! No doubt in my mind about that.

    Mart, do you often feel that no matter what the topic is it really never gets heard and does it ever give you cause to ever want to give up? Are you secure enough with your lot in life and your writing to know that it does get through to some and that is all that counts?

  61. poohpity says:

    Forgive me rather than “never” it should read “seldom”.

  62. Mart De Haan says:

    Poohpity, Yes, I expect conversations to go like ours go :-)… Learning to deal with disagreement in honest, respectful, and gracious ways is one reason for having a place like this.

  63. poohpity says:

    That is just one of the things I respect about you. I pray everyday to have a heart like that.

  64. His Sparrow says:

    It’s these conversations that I thrive in…it reminds me of the parable of the wheat and the tares that sprouted in a planted field. (tares-things that are weeds or not what we planted?)

    Matthew 13:24-30. King Jameseez:
    v34: Quoting Jesus,

    “Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.”

    We inhabit this field and we can grow together- not having to judge each other’s salvation. Mixed crops can help each other grow, sometimes inhibit growth. Respecting each other allows for growth for both.

    Here’s a plant facto from the plant geek-me.

    In nature, young plants/seedlings, get bumped and pushed by wind, water, things. It has been discovered that the “stress” on the plant stems causes them to form stronger stems/trunks.

    So as we do have conflicts here, like the wheat and the tares kinda bump each other in the wind, we strengthen each other. I hope the tares would mature to wheat from our togetherness.

    His Sparrow

  65. Bob in Cornwall England says:

    What you just said is very true Mart.
    Apart from learning an awful lot, allowing God to speak to me through your words and fellow bloggers, I hope I have also learned a little tolerance and patients.
    I remember when I first came on here I was like one of those boxing kangaroo’s (Skippy where are you now?).
    I do hope I have mellowed a bit and am rounding off my corners like a pebble on the beach below my window.
    I think a lot of people when they first visit this place only see the wrong things in us all, but as time goes on and they get to know others better, they see Jesus and not the mistakes we all so often make.
    Thank you Mart for being so tolerant of us all!


  66. Bob in Cornwall England says:

    you put that so much better than me Sparrow!

  67. poohpity says:

    I think you both did a wonderful job of explaining it. :-)

  68. poohpity says:

    Mart, you said, “To our loss we have failed to see how the worship of the first day of the week relates to the work of the rest.” I would go even further and say our worship every morning relates to the rest of the day.

  69. Bob in Cornwall England says:

    When God created the Day & the night He designed right from the start that we should live one day at a time.
    He met with Adam&Eve each evening in the garden.
    His Mercy is new every morning.
    We are a new creation every second let alone each day.
    I agree Pooh!

  70. bubbles says:

    Deb, I am not disagreeing with you at all. I agree with what you said.

    But perhaps he meant that we are supposed to set aside the Lord’s Day for HIM and not for working. I think our society is a 24/7 mindset that does not stop to acknowledge the Lords’ Day. But like you said, we need to worship and honor Him every day of the week, not just on Sunday.
    I don’t think we were made to work 7 days a week. Our boides and minds do better with scheduled rests built in. I know when I do work on Sunday for several hours, my batteries are not recharged and I drag into work on Monday morning. Instead of being rested, I am in need of another day. Working like that does not honor God; my mind is not focused on Him that day but rather on the work instead. We are to honor the Lord’s Day.

    I could be way out in left field by what I said.

  71. His Sparrow says:

    Bob-you are amazing!

    I love all my BTA neighbors!

  72. poohpity says:

    bubbles, there is no disagreement at all about taking off one day a week to rest, the Lord said that day was for us. I have always just found when I take time in the morning to recharge my battery for the day my mind is filled with the Lord. It is not a take away from but an add to. It is not another chore or anything like that it is a refocus before my day begins each day then the things I face I acknowledge God has them in His hands. It is like a turning over of the day to Him.

    I saw a visual with a container and 2 tennis balls representing bible and prayer. Then a cup of rice–work, pebbles–chores, liquid–all the others things we do in a day. If you fill the container with the rice, pebbles and liquid there was no room for the 2 balls but if you put the two ball in first then fill it with the others things everything fits into the container with room for more. It has worked for many people and me. When we take time for the Lord first the worries and struggles of the day do not seem so strong. Just a thought!

  73. His Sparrow says:

    WowieZowie Pooh! That is grrrreat wisdom -praise the Lord for that and you–He works through His people!

    His Sparrow

  74. bubbles says:

    Yes, that time in the morning spent reading the Bible is so sweet and important.

  75. foreverblessed says:

    For me it is a skill to learn to give everything that comes up the rest of the day, to give that in the hands of God too. Not only in the morning. To stop and pause during coffee(or tea)break and focus on Jesus, then lunchtime, and so on. The times that I give my load to the Lord slowly expands till all is in His hands. But I am not there yet.
    I believe that that is the meaning of the Sabbath, living in Him always, all the work I do is done in Him, is coming from Him. “Christ in me” Col 1:27

  76. royalpalm says:

    Hello Mart and BTA friends,

    Mart, you said,” In a one of a kind essay of the Old Testament, king Solomon poetically and rhythmically leads us through the dark shadows that caused him to painfully ask: “What do people get for all their hard work under the sun?” (Ecc 1:1-3)

    He answered this question in Ecc. 2:18 ,19,20,21,22,23 beginning with “Then I hated all my labor in which I had toiled under the sun, because I must leave it to the man who will come after me.” .. Indeed! However, Solomon is a realist – after he made us realize that all our labors are in vain he advised us to enjoy life and to honor God and obey His commands because He will judge the value of our work. Ecc. 12:13, 14 This is a very practical advice but most of us do not do it…

    Steve, I agree with you that “labor was there from the beginning of things”. God created man to manage the earth for Him and this involves work which God designed to bring man pleasure. However sin and its effects and curse made work a burden necessary to one’s existence. Gen. 3:19 . God has promised to help us carry our burdens if we entrust it to Him.

    Invertedcow, tracey, I too like that book entitled, “The Practice of the Presence of God” – which tells about the joy of communing with God at all times even while we are doing whatever God has entrusted to us to do. Paul wrote in Col. 3:17,” And whatever you do, in word or deed, do everything in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through Him.” I think the secret is “giving thanks to the Father through Him”…

    Phpatato thank you for sharing. Your mother is wise and truly a blessing . I, too placed my family first and stayed at home most of my life– maybe working full time for only 6 years spread over 28 years after my children were born. God taught me after the disappointment over the loss of my first full time job that my security is not in my employment but in Him -and He has proven faithful in meeting our needs and always abundantly and more than we could hope for.

    I have been working as a sub-teacher for 8 yrs – which can be anytime, anywhere, and I always consider myself as God’s ambassador in these schools. Last week I was hired to teach Gr.12 ABE Math/Native Studies for a year to First Nations students. I was hesitant to apply but I believe that God gives us abilities so we can use it – and be a “salt” and “light” as we work with people in the place He has chosen for us. Today was the 2nd day and I praise God for the work He has given me where I can influence these adults.

    foreverblessed, I too believe that unless our hearts are right with God, we cannot be right with others; our actions are outward manifestations of the condition of our hearts. Like brother Lawrence, we need to constantly depend on the Lord. I praise God that He dwells in our hearts!

    Bubbles, I am sure God has a good reason for placing you where you are. I, too pray that He will give your body, soul and spirit rest and peace, and help you cope. I pray that conditions in your workplace will change or that God will help you find another workplace. He will never leave you nor forsake you. His way is always perfect. Just constantly commit your moments to Him.

  77. SFDBWV says:

    Ok I am going to zero in on Mart’s question “To our loss we have failed to see how the worship of the first day of the week relates to the work of the rest.”

    Many of the jobs I have had required a 7 day work schedule, and I know of no farmer who has a day off ever.

    So how do we treat the Sabbath?

    Looking back to the Bible I see at the very beginning of establishing *rules* for the followers of Jesus who were not Jewish and those who are. Both being relevant to *keeping the Sabbath*.

    In Acts 10 we read of a Gentile named Cornelius to who God sent a vision and an angel instructing him to go to Peter; on the next day Peter is given a vision that God explains what He has cleansed is no longer forbidden. Peter is sent to explain the Gospel to Cornelius and immediately the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.

    In Acts 11 there is also immediately an argument with the Apostles and brethren who were Jews and felt under the Law that Peter had been with the Gentiles, Peter explained and though they didn’t quite understand they help their peace and glorified God saying only that God had granted repentance also to the Gentile (Acts 11: 18).

    In Acts 15 we read of the beginning of dissention between those who believed that in order to *join* the brotherhood, believers must be circumcised and “keep the law of Moses” and with Barnabas, Paul and Peter.

    In acts 15: 13 James began speaking and in Acts 15: 19 James states it is his sentence that the Gentile is not troubled with the law, and in Acts 15: 20 gives light to what necessary things the Gentile abstain from, and in Acts 15: 28, 29 again confirms the matter with the Holy Spirit as being in agreement.

    Whereas in Acts 15: 21 it is mentioned that the Scripture is read in the synagogues every Sabbath, it is not mentioned that this activity be observed by the Gentile as a matter of *rule*.

    So it is that as a Christian everyday is the same to be in full fellowship with God all seven days of the week all 365 days of the year with no rest from that fellowship, worship and inspiration from the reading of His Word; while at work, while at rest and while at play.


  78. Bill says:


    I think that was a masterful analysis and interpretation of Mart’s question, and the topic of this particular post.

    Work, Sabbath, and fellowship are, I think, at the heart of many of our problems as a society today. We are not delineating time between work and non-work, and we are not observing the Sabbath, and our fellowship isn’t what it could be.

    Sabbath is an idea that isn’t observed much these days, even by Christians. For example, when Family Christian Stores decided to open for business on Sundays, I thought, “What message does that send to the world?” Then I thought, “What about the employees?” Then I thought, “I wonder what God thinks of their decision?”

    The late Stephen R. Covey called the day of rest “Sharpen the Saw” — and their Covey stores demonstrated that by closing on Sundays, giving their employees a day of rest for themselves.

    Chick-fil-A is a restaurant chain closed on Sundays as well.

    I respect both companies for doing that — even though when I’m salivating for a Chick-fil-A sandwich when I’m traveling, and I see the Closed sign in their store window, I grumble to myself. I have to respect companies that take time off on Sundays. So few do these days.

    The problem, as I see it, is that even when we get time off from our employer, do we really take time off at home? Or do we — as so many do — have to cram as much work as possible into that day because every other day has been so incredibly hectic and stressful? I know the answer to that question in my own life. So does bubbles.

    In this economy, it’s impossible to stand up to an employer and say, “I need Sunday off because it’s my Sabbath.” (Insert any day you wish there: Friday evening through Saturday evening, all day Saturday…the days don’t matter.) Every employee is expected to work, virtually non-stop, 24/7.

    So the issue is more challenging and more nuanced than it used to be. As our culture grows increasingly more secular (or even outright anti-Christian), it seems the Sabbath is one of the first things to be jettisoned just to stay gainfully employed.

    There are no easy answers. But I suspect that not getting a day of rest causes all sorts of mental and physical ailments. So whether it’s Sunday, Saturday, or Wednesday. Sabbath — a day of rest — is essential.

    Thank you, everyone, for your insightful posts on this topic. They’ve been a pleasure to read.

  79. SFDBWV says:

    Good thoughts Bill, I will be going to “Chic-Fil-A” in a couple weeks when I take myself and Matt to “Lenscrafters” in Winchester, VA.

    The attack on “Chick-Fil-A” being another ridiculous move from the intolerant among us accusing them of being intolerant.

    I remember a time when not only were stores not open on Sunday, but there were laws to keep it that way.

    Yet there were always those places that could never close, such as hospitals, fire houses, police stations and may I add churches, TV and radio stations not to forget that person who delivered the Sunday newspaper.

    I think that Sunday off and all the ritual of attending a worship service is more of a public demonstration of faith than anything else. As I have already said being Christian is a full time responsibility and not reserved just for Sunday.

    Being American I can relate to this continent being populated and moving west. There were great vast areas sparsely populated by people, but somewhere in the midst of them and often the first structure to be built was a church with a steeple and atop that steeple was a cross that could be seen afar off.

    More often than not there would be a preacher who would ride for miles on horseback from church to church sometimes months apart in order to marry, comfort and preach. The remainder of the times, Bible was read daily in the homes and fellowship with other families a rare treat.

    The coming together with others a common celebration of seeing each other and doing so with glad tidings and the worship of God and His Son Jesus of Nazareth.
    We live in a very different society both nationally and worldly.

    We want to hide from a busy world and be left alone to entertain ourselves and for many make money, because self is at the base of what we do with our time.

    I believe God would rather we feed the hungry, clothe the poor, comfort one another help where help is needed and do so every time the need arises, not being held to a calendar or time schedule.


  80. narrowpathseeker says:

    Wow! There are so many profoundly encouraging and BEAUTIFUL messages here, I am moved beyond words. “Thank you ALL” seems to fall so far short of my heartfelt gratitude, but it’s all I got at this time.

  81. poohpity says:

    I so much enjoy corporate worship and teaching on Sundays or on any day. Singing with other believers worship songs and praising God together brings to my heart such a special feeling of joy. Learning more about God and sharing communion. I understand that those who do church on Sundays take others days to pull back from the daily grind to just take time to enjoy all the beautiful things God has given us to enjoy.

    There are so many who are caregivers, parents and others who receive very little recognition or compensation for a job well done with 24/7 work details. God sees all that we do and He knows a heart. God knows if the things of this earth consume our minds, hearts, and souls. God knows what place He has in a person’s life and what consumes us. God knows who wants to please Him and those who work to please others and themselves. There is nothing hidden from our God.

  82. poohpity says:

    To you first question Mart, “Does it bother us that those who work the hardest, often do so with the least recognition or compensation?” No, that does not bother me at all in fact that type I respect the most. Now a days there are so many that try to do the lest they can do to get their paycheck and still keep a job.

    The second question, “Have wise mentors helped us develop a theology of work?” I have found that there are not to many people out there that are humble enough to ask anyone else about anything, they try and go it alone especially when it come to a theology of not just work but anything for that matter. Not many have people that hold them accountable in any area because it seems that they like to control and feel that theirs is the only way to do things much less listen to anyone else and to bring God in at all is far beyond them.

    Third question, “Or do we see it only as a part of the curse?” It would seem that many feel that their work is a curse but I think it may have to do with those who feel they do not have a say in anything. I think about the letter to Philemon. People had many social classes and were meant to remain in their places and I think in today’s times some people still hold to those principles and feel they have no way out yet they do because in Christ we are new creations and no longer have to hold to our old way of thinking and acting. So we can believe it is a curse or we can believe it is a gift to even have a job.

  83. foreverblessed says:

    When we rest in faith in Christ, when we do all in glory to Him, when we hear the voice of the Spirit who leads us personally, then we are in the Sabbath. We rest from our own works, and do His works instead.
    We are fulfilling the Sabbath.
    Paul calls the keeping of a day holy, as something that is of the earth, earthly, eating certain foods or not eating them is something from this earth: basic principles of this world, Col 2;8 Gal 4:3
    Colosians 2:20
    And these things have no value in restraining the sensual indulgence Col 2:23.
    Paul is very clear, that when we have died with Christ, we have died to these principles, keeping of days, eating of certain foods. When we live in faith in Christ, and do what He says, then we are in the Sabbath, and we have fulfilled the 4th commandment of keeping the Sabbath holy.
    And I believe Paul was talking to all christians, so Jews who have accepted Christ are not bound to these regulations anymore, since they have died with Christ, and now live in faith in Him.

    It is good to rest a day in the week, but that is common sense. If someone has to work on a Sunday, he can rest another day. If we are carekeepers for someone, we have to learn to live in faith, as there is no day to rest from caring.
    But if someone thinks he has to keep a day Holy, let him do that, for when he does not do it, than he sins. But let him not make everyone else make that same day holy, as we are to keep our Lord Holy.

    So the work we do is at the same time the rest we are in: for if we are in the Sabbath rest, we do the work of God, Jesus does it through us when we believe in Him. If we do not believe then He can do nothing through us, faith is the line between Jesus and us, even if it is as small as a mustard seed, as small as it is, it is the line. Pray for more faith.

  84. davids says:

    Here in this part of “Godless Europe” we are still under Sunday laws. Very few stores are allowed to be open, and I am not allowed to mow the lawn or otherwise disturb my neighbors.

    Does it cause people here not to work, or to turn toward God on Sunday? I don’t think so.

    Such laws only demonstrate the futility and potential danger of trying to legislate morality.

  85. Bob in Cornwall England says:

    Wow foreverblessed,

    What you just said is so true.
    Often it is difficult to just rest in His Peace.
    I have never thought of it as the Sabbath rest before.
    That is exactly what Jesus meant when He said “The Sabbath is made for man & not Man for the Sabbath”.
    Also He was always about His Father business, so it was always a Holy day for Him as it should be for us.


  86. foreverblessed says:

    Well Bob, this is what I have learned the hard way, as I had been keeping the Sabbath, the 7th day, and all the Holy Days that are written in Leviticus 23. Till I found out that that is not what God wanted. Keeping of days is not changing one bit of your character, these are things of the earth.
    These days looked forward to the essence of what was to come: Jesus Col 2:17.
    Now that Jesus has come, no more need for keeping of days, or circumcision, or food rituals, or sacrifices.
    We sacrifice our old self on the cross we bear,every day. So there will be more space for the new man in Christ Jesus. And He be glorified in us.

  87. narrowpathseeker says:

    Have some messages been deleted from here? Foreverblessed posted a great story about her rabbits and I believe Pat replied as did I, but I don’t see them. Am I confused with another thread?

  88. foreverblessed says:

    Narrow, that post is on another thread, called abandonment, it is a monthly article on rbc, and I do not know how to get there either. If someone makes a comment then I can see it here.

  89. narrowpathseeker says:

    Thank you Forever, after having a much trouble with my pc over the past few weeks and especially on this site, I thought I might have been blocked and deleted. However, I am using one of the grandchildren’s laptop today and having no problems..so I guess I need a new pc. I LOVED your rabbit analogy…thank you.

  90. cherielyn says:

    narrow – you might just have viruses in your pc, which a good computer security expert could clean up for you & get it back running the way it should; a lot less expensive than purchasing a new one, unless it is really old & it is time. Just my thoughts having been there.

  91. narrowpathseeker says:

    Thank you Cherie, you are right…my son seems to have fixed it for me.

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