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Hunting Dog Shoots Owner

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Don’t know whether you caught the French news piece a couple of days ago about the young hunting dog that playfully jumped on its owner in a show of affection. A paw caught the trigger of the deer hunter’s, gun, resulting in the loss of a hand.

The victim later blamed himself for not having the trigger safety on, and made it clear that he still loves his dog.

While the consequences were serious, there’s still room for a smile.

Reminded me of Mosaic Covenant Levitical sacrifices that were to be offered for unintentional sins (Leviticus 4:1-4). Moses gives so much attention to thoughtless and accidental wrongs that some have argued that Old Testament Law makes no provision for intentional sins.

While it seems to me that sacrifices are provided for conscious wrongs (Leviticus 6:1-7), the emphasis on unintentional harm is an important idea. It seems to allow for the fact that so many of our wrongs are done even when we think we are doing the right thing.

Eventually, as the Letter to the Hebrews shows, it became clear that the sacrifices of bulls and goats couldn’t atone for any sin (Heb 10:4), intentional or unintentional. They were foreshadowing the sacrifice of the New Covenant– that could do all of this and more  (Matt 26:28).

We’re left, I think, with the conclusion that even unintentional sins do harm in God’s universe, and that ultimately the mere sacrifice of animals would have done nothing for our guilt– if they had not been pointing to the One who was waiting for the right moment to show us how much he loves us.

Raises questions in my mind about how many of our sins we commit in ignorance and unbelief; wonder about the ability of our fallen minds to rationalize our lack of love; and eternal gratitude to God for loving us in spite of all of the mindless, foolish, and evil things we do.

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83 Responses to “Hunting Dog Shoots Owner”

  1. SFDBWV says:

    Thank you Mart a very appropriate subject.

    When I first began reading this subject reading of a mistake the hunter made leading to the loss of his hand it reminded me both of a story in my youth and one in combat.

    It was my father who taught me to hunt and to respect guns. We never abused or mistreated our guns as they were expensive and dangerous nor did we waste ammunition as it too was expensive.

    He also taught me never to pull the trigger until I had my prey clearly in my sight and was fully aware of what I was about to shoot.

    On a medivac mission one afternoon in Viet Nam we landed at a remote LZ to pick up a couple of wounded Marine’s, after picking up the two men as we lifted off from the ground an enemy Viet Cong stood straight out to our front left and began firing his AK 47 directly into the front of the Helicopter, I was the Crew Chief and so sat at the doorway on the right side with my M60 while my gunner manned the left window with his M60.

    He opened up firing and killing the man responsible for our ultimate experience of being shot down while I did not fire a round.

    We sort of controlled crashed and once on the ground and all accounted for my Pilot, no less than a Major, ask me why I didn’t return fire when we were fired upon.

    I simply said “well Major there was no one to shot but other Marine’s.”

    Because when the shooting began as I looked out my view we were surrounded on my side by the very infantry men we had just attempted to evacuate two wounded men from. Had I just began shooting without knowing what I was shooting at, I would have killed my fellow Marine’s and so their deaths would have been seen as *friendly* fire.

    My pilot’s career in the Marine Corps would have been over and I would have lived a life of regret.

    What saved the situation was the fact that I had been instructed early in my youth and no matter the other training, it kicked in as instinct.

    I have bored you all with this one little event in my life to show you how important it is to make doing the right thing an instinct and avoid those unconscious sins.

    We make doing the right thing an instinct by taking it in as we learn them and making it a part of ourselves and practicing it.

    We fail to follow these instincts when we push aside the Holy Spirits urgings for our own self desires.

    None of us escape doing stupid things and hurting ourselves and others, God understands this and forgives us, which is why we are always a work in progress, but we can avoid wounding others with friendly fire if we just think before we act.


  2. cherielyn says:

    The subject of unintentional sin reminds me of Paul’s struggles in Romans 7:18-25.

    I recognize those struggles in myself on more occasions than I want to admit to or remember – too often on a daily basis. I want to live my life for the Lord and yet I often find myself caught up in daily struggles orchestrated by the conflict that seemingly goes on, forever, between my husband and my son.

    It seems that I am constantly confessing and asking forgiveness for slips of the tongue, unwanted thoughts, etc. that no matter how often I confess, ask forgiveness and for victory over, victory is elusive. I can mirror Paul’s thoughts in Romans 7:24(KJV) “oh wretched (wo)man that I am.”

    I can only imagine how much I must grieve the Holy Spirit with those unintentional, yet all too present acts of sin that I commit. It is hard to imagine how an all-knowing Holy God, could sacrifice His Only Beloved Son for a wretch like me. No greater love exists than that!

    All of mankind would surely be sunk if not for the grace of God. Yet, how many of us can really know or appreciate the extent of His love for us?

    Please pray for me.

  3. SFDBWV says:

    Cherielyn I did not know it was possible for two postings to register the same exact time, I hope we didn’t crash Mart’s computer site by doing so.

    I always pray for you as I do all here, but especially when ask. Thank you for the opportunity to pray for you.

    How is your ex, still on the respirator?


  4. SFDBWV says:

    Sorry Cherielyn I got confused….


  5. cherielyn says:

    Steve, we posted at the same time. Reading your post reminded me of an incident that happened years ago. My dad was not a hunter, but my husband is. My husband was determined to teach me to hunt. He taught me how to walk quietly in the woods, how to make sure of your target before you shoot, etc.

    I was not able to hunt in the early years after he taught me ‘everything he knew’ because I had small children and a baby at home.

    While the kids were still small, I’ll never forget the time when my husband came running to the house and asked me to come out and help him track a deer. He couldn’t seem to find a trail, but knew he had hit it. We went out and though he protested, I made him climb back into his tree stand. I then walked around and told him to let me know when I was in the spot where he thought he had hit the deer. As soon as he told me to stop, I immediately looked down and there was a splatter of blood on the ground at my feet. We tracked that deer for quite awhile. Everytime we got near where it stopped to rest, it ran and I saw that it’s front leg was spinning at it’s side like a pinwheel. After seeing that I didn’t really think I would be able to shoot a deer when the time finally came that the kids were old enough to be left alone.

    My husband was very insistent that I do so. After that tracking experience I was very determined to follow what my husband TOLD me to do, but not to follow his example because he did not ‘practice what he preached’ in regards to how to hunt. I resolved not to take a shot unless I was absolutely certain that my first shot would be my only and killing shot. I didn’t want an animal suffering needlessly. In 32 years of hunting I have only harvested 8 deer, but every one of them were killed with my one and only shot. The last one, two years ago, was a mercy killing. A small deer, probably a yearling, too small to harvest, came along. As it approached, I saw that it had already been shot by someone else. I had to put it out of it’s misery. When we cleaned it, we found that the previous shot had completely severed its esophagus. It would have eventually starved to death.

    We don’t hunt for sport, only to supplement our grocery bill.

    Not anything like your story, of course, but funny how something from long in the past will come to mind when least expected.

  6. cherielyn says:


    I’m sure we didn’t post at EXACTLY the same time, since the time doesn’t show the seconds and although it was 6:24 a.m. the posts could have been separated by anywhere from 1 second to 59 seconds with the speed of the internet.

    37 degrees at 7:00 a.m. in NE WI (was 34 at 3:30 a.m.)

  7. foreverblessed says:

    This is a hard subject, it could make you feel depressed, even at our very best we are still lacking love, mercy. We should be so much more humble, and of a mind that does not have such high self esteem. That’s why I like the commandment that we look at Jesus. We are lacking , He is All-sufficient for us 2 Peter 1:3-4. Looking at Him, expecting from Him all the love we lack, all the faith, patience and peace we lack. Everything we need to be holy comes only from Him.
    And in situations like Cherielyn is in, always in a warzone, how do you keep peaceful, joyful? This realy is a burden. We read Rom 5:1-2,3-4,5 this morning, be joyful in tribulation? Well Cherielyn, I pray for you, and thank God for all the great fruit He is building in you by this ordeal. As you are in a warzone all the time, ask Him all the time for joy, peace, patience, and above all thank Him for being such a gracious Giver.

  8. SFDBWV says:

    Cherielyn I liked your *war* story and understand it completely. The same things you learned being a hunter are the same things I learned and they are things that make us more attentive to everything else in life as well.

    Conservation of resources is one of the things hunting teaches as well as respect for the things that must die for us to eat.

    Bow hunting has become a favorite sport of many, but too many are not very good marksmen and so many deer are hit and they die a long agonizing death from infection. Even if harvested by another hunter too often the meat is not good for eating.

    It is the same in life, some people try to be good and not hurt others, while some don’t care as long as they do what ever it is they want.

    But even those of us who try to do right, sometimes do wrong not realizing we have, if brought to our attention we can ask forgiveness and prove our desire for atonement by not making the same mistake again, but as I read in a cartoon in the morning paper today, “to err is human, which makes *human error* kind of redundant”. It is tough to learn from our mistakes if we haven’t understood they were mistakes yet. God gives us that time by His patience with us and for we Christians the covering of the Blood of Christ.

    A cool morning here, 42 at sun up and only 51 now.


  9. SFDBWV says:

    Cherielyn, another story, you may frown, smile or not even like it, but no ideas please…

    I had an acquaintance that was married and had a young family. His problem was that he liked the company of other women and liked to bully his wife.

    This went on for several years until; while insisting his wife accompany him hunting illegally from his pickup truck, he had *hid* his rifle behind him and her as they sat on the seat of the truck.

    When they got home she got out of the truck on her side and he told her to get the rifle, when she did she pulled the trigger and the rifle went off.

    His last words alive were “Woman, you shot me!”

    Intentional or unintentional? There were never any charges filed against her.

    It has been a very rough week with no let up as yet, battles all the time, both in the physical as well as the spiritual, so I understand very much your need for prayers.


  10. poohpity says:

    In my family since I was young shooting was part of our weekend activities. We hunted and ate what was killed, target practice, and skeet shouting. I loved the adrenaline rush form the power of a gun. No thoughts of harming another person even came to my mind when I was young. Then in my years before Christ I hung around with bikers so they carried weapons as I did as well. A .357 was holstered on my side and a .22 in my boot the only place I shot them was at targets but I do not know if the need be if I would have ever shot a person. I also carried a knife and those of you know from my past I was arrested for attempted murder in Oregon for hurting my husband. After Christ I put the weapons down and replaced them with a bible.

    My uncle hunts every week in Montana and they store the meat in a freezer which gets them through the year. He went from rifles to a bow and fishes as well. I also have friends who live in Alaska who do the same.

    Paul reminds us as Christians that some things may seem right to us but if it pricks the conscience of another and we wound them then we are sinning against Christ. 1 Cor 8:7-12

  11. poohpity says:

    I would still own a gun because I love to target practice and shoot skeet but finances do not permit but what someone else does that is up to them and their conscience.
    I do not feel it is right to say one area is not accepted but then in another area say that it is right when I am taking a stance on personal liberties. That is hypocritical to say the lest.

    Sometimes words are a harsher weapon than any gun could ever be. I would rather get shot then have words thrown at me that crush my spirit.

  12. poohpity says:

    Or not be my friend anymore because of where I live. I am very, very hurt by that in response to a personal email I received yesterday.

  13. SFDBWV says:

    One of the many tragic things we deal with here every day is Matt’s loneliness. He grieves minute to minute because he has not the company of friends his own age and more importantly the friends he grew up with, most who only live a few miles away from him.

    Every few minuets he asks me why doesn’t any one like him? Then follows that with “everyone hates me”.

    He continually trying to make sense out of why they have decided to just abandon him and ignore him.

    I have come to a point of answering him by saying there sin is not his fault, but what they are doing is a sin and one day they will regret not being there when he needed them the most.

    So every once in a while Matt will say why is it that he has to suffer because of the sins of his friends.

    I have talked with some of these ex-acquaintances of Matt’s and they all vow they will come and visit, but never do.

    Saddest of all is that they don’t know, or for some care, that they are so important to someone they don’t bother to care about and that their lack of caring hurts someone so much.

    Matt prays for them every night in spite of their sin afflicted on him, he’s a better man than I because I have come to a point of kissing them all goodbye.

    Yes pooh there are weapons far more destructive than guns, and I am as guilty as anyone of using them, for that I am truly sorry.


  14. SFDBWV says:

    Cherielyn did you succeed in taking your son’s car from him? I keep renewing Matt’s drivers license every time it comes up for renewal, but I keep fearing of a time they won’t do so because of his condition and it becoming one more thing taken from him.

    I found out yesterday when I got my license renewed that by 2017 every American will have to have a federal picture ID card. Very disturbing.

    Narrowpathseeker my misdirected question this morning was intended for you; is your ex still needing a respirator?

    Pat I hope all is well for you up in Canada. You also Royal palm.

    Claudia how is your husband’s health? I still wish you and he could have made it up here for a visit.

    Della has the hummingbirds left your feeders yet?

    Bill did a taste of fall come into Grand Rapids this week?

    His Sparrow living in the Mojave do you keep a weapon for protection?

    Kingdomkid7 there was once a time in my life when I too lived in the suburbs of DC, I like small town Appalachia better.

    Maru how is your relocation working out? Have you found the work God sent you to do?

    I know I have left several out, not intended, but I have run out of time….

    God Bless and good evening.


  15. poohpity says:

    I do not think I could ever tell my children that it is the sin in another that stopped them from being a friend. As we all grow up people go in different directions and I have told my boys when they were hurt by another to forgive them because they may not even realize they have hurt them just as we may never understand why someone was hurt by something we have done. When we do realize we hurt someone we can apologize for our part but on a whole we are not responsible for how another thinks or perceives things unless they have the ability to share what is going on. On a whole others take things as personal insults when they were never meant to be. So misunderstandings happen and those who have the ability to communicate well can discuss them and most problems can be ironed out. Silence is a passive/aggressive approach to problems and no one then gets any resolution other than harboring resentment.

  16. cherielyn says:


    Thanks for asking about Mike’s driving. At his last appointment the neurologist gave him some tests and determined that, for the time being, he can still drive, but he is limited to no more than 15 minutes at a time – which is enough time to get to the next town, 11 miles away. He has another appointment coming up next month. I dread the time when he is told he can no longer drive because, as you said, one more thing taken away.

    I wonder, is there any kind of group in your area where people in a similar situation like Matt can get together for some camaraderie? Mike enjoyed going to monthly meetings for the handicapped when he lived closer to where the meetings were held.

    I feel Matt’s ‘pain’ and if I lived closer I would surely come pay him a visit from time to time, although I know that wouldn’t be the same as visiting with some of his peers. Feeling abandonment and rejection is painful. My Mike experiences it a lot. I do my best to alleviate them, but it isn’t the same as the kind he could enjoy with peers.

    Someday we will know the reasons for the hard things we experience in life that God means for good. Until then we just have to wait on Him and live the life He has allowed us to have.

    I hadn’t heard about what you mentioned about every American having to have a federal picture ID by 2017. Another step towards “The Mark” I wonder? Perhaps The Rapture will have taken place by then? As a Christian, one can only hope that would be the case.

  17. kingdomkid7 says:

    When I was a teenager, i once played with a hand gun that my friend, Rodney’s mom had not hidden properly. My friend, Valerie, Rodney, and I took turns loading and unloading the gun. We pointed it at each other and foolishly handled the weapon, just for fun. Nobody died that day, but Valerie was dead within two weeks in a car crash, for which she was at fault — driving at high speed. She had just gotten her license and was playing around in the car, observed by an off-duty policeman who had not been able to stop her. I’m not sure exactly where this fits in with the topic — but it’s only one of my memories about guns. Also, today is the anniversary of my brother’s death — he was a cab driver shot by a passenger. He was 31 years old and left a wife and five children. The children are now grown and doing well, but they miss their father. I really wish I had some good memories about guns. Oh, here’s a better one: some of my good friends have offered to teach me how to shoot. I haven’t done it yet, but I think I will eventually. And I’m really glad God didn’t take me home the day I was playing with that gun, nor the day I let Valerie drive me to school. (She died in the car crash later that same day.).

    Steve: I like Montgomery County Md, where I live, but small towns are great. O

  18. davids says:

    The topic reminds me of how the concept of crime and innocence has replaces the concept of right and wrong in much of society. Many people think that if they have not broken the law, then they have not done anything wrong.

    The thing is that if you didn’t have intent, then you are not guilty of a crime (criminal negligence aside). When confronted with harm they have done, people are more likely to say, “Well it wasn’t on purpose” than to apologize.

    But that is not God’s way. Right and wrong do exist, and we are responsible for the wrongs that we have caused through our lack of care. I suppose that it is because we know we have a Savior that we are able to bear this. Hopefully it allows us to show His grace toward others.

  19. davids says:

    I do not believe that this “federal picture ID by 2017” is at all true. The Congress passed the Real ID Act in 2005, which set out certain requirements that states should follow to issue Driving Licenses or ID cards that would be acceptable for federal purposes. This was due to national security and illegal immigration control.

    Many states have rejected it, and the current head of Homeland Security does not support it, so basically it is going nowhere.

    If this is incorrect then someone can provide more accurate information. We should be careful about posting rumors that might frighten people.

  20. poohpity says:

    Your right David “The law set forth certain requirements for state driver’s licenses and ID cards to be accepted by the federal government for “official purposes”, as defined by the Secretary of Homeland Security. The Secretary of Homeland Security has currently defined “official purposes” as presenting state driver’s licenses and identification cards for boarding commercially operated airline flights and entering federal buildings and nuclear power plants. REAL ID Act 2005. It is amazing what can happen from a lack of factual information when rumors get started.

  21. dja says:

    Hello Everyone,
    I have not been writing because my computer was having problems, I have not been feeling tip top (going for some tests), I have been busy with our small backyard plant nursery, and a number of times, I felt upset with what was being written and didn’t want to enter into it. I also was upset about Bob, and really didn’t know what to say, so thought it best to just be quiet and pray. I have been reading, and was prompted today to say hi and answer Steve’s question:-)

    Sadly, the hummingbirds are gone, Steve. I just brought in the feeder and cleaned it all out. Correction: My husband brought in the feeder and cleaned it out:-) We had one last hummingbird on our cardinal plants and butterfly bushes over the weekend, but with the rain and wind yesterday and the cooler temps, I doubt we will see anymore.

    Steve, I receive an email each morning from the ministry of Joni Earickson Tada. Do you think Matthew would like to get an email from her each morning. If you google joniand friends, you can sign up for a daily email devotional. I can not tell you how encouraging it has been to me.

    My husband use to hunt, and he has said he might like to go out again. I went back to college when I was in my 40’s, and when they told me that I had to take 3 credits of PE, I signed up for riflery and archery and loved it! I think it’s good to know how to safely handle a weapon, and I thank the Lord that we live in a country where we have the right to bear arms (so far).

    Please know that I do pray for you, and I would ask that you would continue to pray for our son who will have a hearing in a month or 2. He has gone for counseling and is now working a full time job. Such an answer to prayer! We wait with great expectation for the Lord to work in his heart as he has done in our older son and our daughter.

    53 degrees right now in NEPA. It suppose to be in the low 40’s tonight. Before you know it the frost will be on the pumpkin, and, hopefully, we will have all our plants ready to winter over, and the herbs and house plants will be resting inside before the first frost:-)


  22. His Sparrow says:

    I’m guilty of the sin of unbelief way too many times by my scorecard.
    I didn’t even know what unbelief was until I read the gospel of Mark enough times to notice Mark 9:24 (KJ) where Jesus heals the boy with the unclean spirit, (only in Mark, not Matthew 17:14-20 and Luke 9:37-43) that the boy’s father cried with tears, telling the Lord he believed, but “help thou mine unbelief.”

    Following that example, I usually remember to ask the Lord to help my unbelief. Much better than one of my phony-pony prayers asking God to do something and pretending I believe He will do it. That never gets past the Holy spirit…really foolish when I dare to pray out loud in unbelief—eeeewh.

    I to think some more about defining “unintentional” sin.
    I first think of Saul of Tarsus playing ‘Dudley Do-right’ persecuting people of “the way” and his gratitude to the Lord when he was confronted by Jesus.
    May the Holy Spirit guide me to that level of gratitude to my Savior.

    So I thought about S. Freud and his Id, Ego, et. al. psychology and read an overview of that perspective.

    The Id is the part of our personality that is present at birth and lives for immediate gratification of needs, wants, desires. Not getting that, anxiety and tension is activated…such as thirst and drinking water. For survival, that’s OK.

    The Id also has no self control and does things that are disrupting and socially unacceptable: you have a doughnut, I want it, so I grab it from you and eat it. Id also lives to sin. (I call that animal behavior.)
    To me, this is the sin nature of man—that sinful, behavior that is present at birth

    Supposedly the Ego is exists to deal with reality and mediates the Id. I’m guessing the mediation “skill” is a learned thing…
    However, Ego seems to be my free will to behave one way or another, and still satisfy Id, or self. Frequently Id and Ego want the same thing. Ego just goes about getting it in a more socially or politically correct way, but still sinful.

    So I guess unintentional sin comes about because neither of these ‘players’ in the personality can know what is sin until there is the “indwelling of the Holy Spirit in the personality of (wo)man.

    The OT people didn’t have the Messiah yet, but they were given the Ten and the rest of the Mosaic law. We have The Law fulfilled through the Messiah.

    All that said, I can understand a mind that commits sin in ignorance and unbelief but can’t remain that way once a person comes into relationship with God through Jesus.

    To not change would be something like standing in front of a mirror and talking to oneself your entire life.

    Thank you God for loving mindless, foolish, evil doing me and for redeeming me.

  23. His Sparrow says:

    I will be praying for the needs expressed above, cherielyn, dja , and remembering to pray with belief.

    And for Steve and Matt, I don’t know how you do this except that that you do, Steve. Thank you for letting us get to know you better. You are a Hero-Man.

    Hi Matt, I like you a lot. I have had a lot of the feelings you have, especially about friends that don’t come around and everyone hating me.

    Matt, I’ve had to ask myself what the definition of a “friend” is.
    When I was younger, it meant one thing. I remember wanting to be in a group so much, I changed the way I dressed, the way I talked and I stopped getting good grades (I was too smart). From grade-school to my fifties, I had the wrong definition about a lot of things…especially friendship.

    You are a man now and it would be useful to review your definition for what a man’s friends are like. Your Dad can help you with that as well as the Lord.

    Your so called friends are still living the definition of friends in a childish, baby way.

    We can’t change others, we can work on ourselves.

    That you miss them means you already had a more mature definition about about how you behaved as a friend to others.

    You have many friends, just a little ways off, just the right friends, Godly men and women, for a man like Matt. Don’t be shy to meet them.

    It could be a support group, an internet group, I don’t know what, maybe volunteering answering phones for some organization and there’s so much technology to get around disabilities. One church I belonged to had a ministry for people with Down’s syndrome. Another had a group for mental handicaps, ministries for car clubs, all kinds of home study groups for all kinds of interests and abilities…

    … I don’t know what, but the Lord does know, Matt. Ask Him to show you.

    My friend told me that one of the wheelchair Paralympians used to be an Indy car driver—that’s 218 miles per hour! His car went up off the track, was hit by another car which sheared both his legs off. It wasn’t too long ago. He coulda lived for his yesterdays, do nothing or do something. He did something.

    I love you Matt, and your family too.
    we are all — His Sparrow

    Aah yes, a toasty 97 to 100 in the Mojave with 63 at night!

  24. narrowpathseeker says:

    Cherielyn, I read this part of your message,”It seems that I am constantly confessing and asking forgiveness for slips of the tongue, unwanted thoughts, etc. that no matter how often I confess, ask forgiveness and for victory over, victory is elusive. I can mirror Paul’s thoughts in Romans 7:24(KJV) “oh wretched (wo)man that I am.” and had to do a double take on your name to see if I had written it and forgot that I had been here already! I smiled when I read Steve’s inquiry about the ex still being on the respirator, because I knew he must have thought it was me too!

    Cherielyn, we are both fighting similar fierce battles and I am not sure why we still haven’t the victory. However, I believe we will, because we don’t give up no matter how hopeless it seems at times. The Lord has given me victory time and time again, and something will trigger a painful memory and I am back in battle. Right now I am at peace. I have been trying to stay focused on God, by imagining Jesus is standing beside me as I hang clothes, do dishes, etc and I talk to Him out loud. Of course I am alone when I do this!(or at least no other humans around) But, I know that I find it very easy to forgive and forget offenses when the person is honest and remorseful. It is when they lie and deny that I just get more angry. Therefore, I truly believe that we are winning with the honesty and “broken spirit, a broken and contrite heart, Oh God though will not despise”. (I read Psalm 51 often) We just need to stay focused on God and be ready for satan’s fiery darts. So for what it’s worth, I understand very well what you are going through, and I believe strongly that the Lord is going to see us through this in His time in His way, no matter what it looks like to us, so keep up the good fight Cherielyn.

    Steve, thank you for asking. They took him off the respirator for 3 hours a few days ago and he was doing well. I haven’t asked today because I am at peace right now and I don’t want to let it go.

  25. narrowpathseeker says:

    Steve, this is the third time I am writing this. Twice I have posted and I lose the connection . I will highlight and copy it this time!! I wish I lived near you, because I would love to come visit Matt. Have you tried contacting any of the local church youth pastors for Matt? Please give him a big hug from me and tell him that there are many people from all over the country that love him and pray for him. Hang in there Steve.

  26. narrowpathseeker says:

    Sparrow, I love you!

  27. His Sparrow says:

    Matt – SFDBWV

    RBC has a video series on Joni Eareckson Tada-you can see them online or order the DVDs.

    She has an organization called
    joniandfriends dot org – on the web – please check it out!

    Her life changed when she jumped off a dock in a lake and hitting an object was paralyzed. I’m not going to tell any more, gotta see the movie and visit the joni and friends web page-absolutely a faith grown by the Lord. Lotsa friendly people there who have a heart to love you Matt.

    I love my RBC family

    His Sparrow

    yes I carry a weapon in the Mojave–a big, heavy purse and I know how to use it :)
    Shot Marksman in boot camp-left handed, like my daddy.

  28. fadingman says:

    That big heavy purse reminds me of Ethel Merman’s purse in It’s A Mad Mad Mad mad World.

    … and I seem to remember she used it in the Mojave also!

  29. royalpalm says:

    Hello Mart and BTA family,

    Just stopped by to say hello… thanks for remembering me Steve. Started full-time teaching 2 weeks ago- Math and Native Studies to adult students mostly First Nations. I remember our dear friend Sakoieta in the previous topics…I am getting to know and love the students e.g one 23 year old single mom has 4 children ; she had her first child at 16.. another student’s husband died of heart attack this weekend. Somehow God planted me here where I am involved in these 85 students’ lives though I have not known them before…

    Thanks for this topic and for sharing your thoughts I used to avoid Leviticus. Its list of rules, regulations and commands seem irrelevant to our times- until I studied and taught it in our small group Bible study. Do you know that almost every chapter starts with, “ And the Lord spoke” and variations thereof?

    Leviticus is a grand revelation of God’s holiness and holy expectations. As far as God is concerned every sin –intentional or unintentional, is a trespass on His holy character and must be atoned for. The law was given to make us acutely aware of our sinfulness so we can appreciate the grace of God in sending His own Son for the complete atonement of our sin. Gal. 3:24

    Jesus taught that the way to God’s kingdom starts with our perception of God’s holiness and our own sinfulness. He calls us blessed; in our mourning over our sin, He comforts us and reminds us that this is what His death was for. Matt. 5:3, 4. His sermon on the mount addresses our need to be assured again and again that He knows our frame – that we are dust who are not capable of overcoming our own weaknesses. Yet He loves us and chose us for His own. Truly God is merciful and gracious!!!

    You are all special. I pray that the Lord will bless you and keep you and will let His face shine upon you and give you His peace and grace as you rest in His love each day…

  30. SFDBWV says:

    Della, Glenna says she seen two maybe three hummingbirds Tuesday, I didn’t see any yesterday, but then yesterday didn’t provide for much time for me to set and watch. It is 32 this morning and still dark I won’t get an opportunity until another hour to see if any are around. We had one stay as late as mid October last year.

    Della and His Sparrow, I hooked up with Joni several years ago it didn’t work out for Matt. His problems aren’t just physical, but physical because of injury to his brain. Matt has short term long term memory loss, so some memories are there and some aren’t, yet they come and go.

    Our friend Bubbles emails him everyday and he looks forward to that short connection to someone. However if he tries to do too much typing on the computer he gets nauseous, kind of like getting motion sickness, same if he tries to read too much.

    What he wants are people to call him or stop in and say hello.

    Narrowpathseeker I too wish you lived closer, I exhausted myself trying to find churches that might have some kind of visiting ministries, I laugh at the fact that the one we once were able to attend go every Monday evening to a nursing home in another town to visit and don’t the very people here in their own community.

    That’s ok we can go on I would not want people to come to visit Matt if they thought they were just fulfilling some requirement and not out of love.

    Pooh and Davids, after I had provided all the necessary proofs to the clerk at the DMV she ask me if I wanted a regular WV drivers license or did I want the special one with federal codes imbedded in it ? If I did they would give me a temporary driver’s license that day and the federally adjusted one would be sent in about 10 days.

    She then said “By 2017 all people will have to have a federal ID.”

    What I have told you is not a rumor nor a lie. I opted for my regular license that day.

    It has dipped to 31 degrees while I have been writing this, with fog.


  31. SFDBWV says:

    His Sparrow I read your entire message to Matt, he says to tell you thank you and he agrees with your interpretations concerning friends. He added that it is sad that the only friends he has are the ones I talk to here.

    He does have two friends that come to visit a few times a year; they are both married and have young families and careers so their time is limited.

    It is so difficult for me to not have hard feelings as every time the phone rings he asks if it is one of his two friends calling, and 99.9% of the time it isn’t.

    I am not telling you all this just so you feel sorry for Matt, but so that you all may see that we can hurt other people without knowing just how bad and in so doing, just as Mart has tried to expose, we are ignorant of our sins and so need forgiveness even when we don’t ask for it.

    My time is up for a while, thank you all dear friends for your concerns and love.


  32. remarutho says:

    Good Morning Mart and Friends –
    There is such heartache in the sins of “failure in fellowship,” Steve! How can we (they – our human tribe) forget to share their lives with one who has been side-tracked by a sudden accident? The hunter and his dog in France will move on, as you and Glenna and Matt have done. The whole realm of consequences is vast and lonely. It seems to me we are called to share the riches of God’s grace as much as we are able.

    In times of prayerful honesty I recall sins from the past that still have consequences in my life and in the lives of those I care about. We hurt the ones we love for a million reasons. I often hope and pray I will be less sinful as time goes by. But, I find every so often I must sit down and offer the Lord a confession of those selfish, greedy, hateful things I do day by day. Christ is the Victor – and in my life he does win. Then, I can rejoice and thank God for overcoming temptation and evil in me. Other times, I have remorse and pain that I have not made the cut on temptation.

    Mart, you wrote:
    “We’re left, I think, with the conclusion that even unintentional sins do harm in God’s universe, and that ultimately the mere sacrifice of animals would have done nothing for our guilt– if they had not been pointing to the One who was waiting for the right moment to show us how much he loves us.”

    Thank God the “temple” is never closed! The High Priest is always present – waiting to supply grace that is much greater than our sin. (Hebrew 4:16; Ephesians 2:4, 5, 6, 7, 8) There is no other way out of our moral prison.


  33. remarutho says:

    My reference is Hebrews 4:16 Sorry, Maru

  34. His Sparrow says:

    Hi Matt,
    SFDBWV, Glenna

    Matt, I’m getting well acquainted with short term memory loss myself. Like where I put my keys kinda thing.

    That hunting dog on this post is a good example of how that can work to our advantage. When a dog, or a horse or some critter does something bad (sins) they seem to forget about it in the next second. So “punishment” has to happen immediately-like the word “no” and then when you see a change in their expression, an immediate reward, like “good doggie.”

    Seems like the Holy Spirit works that way, we sin, intentional or not and we get a consequence and we are forgiven, albeit not in the exact pattern of an animal.

    If only I could respond to God’s love as simply as the dog will respond to his master.

    As I said earlier Matt, you have a maturity about friendship that is getting rare these days…I’ve been reviewing my definitions about friends the past two years and have made changes.

    Like the dog and the hunter, I still love the ones who drive by my house daily don’t wave hello, every Sunday morning, or when my car was stuck on the side of the road, or a bunch of other stuff.

    But sometimes God uses things like this to get me going onward. So I am excited about making new friends, as I have here at BTA. I would be honored if you would like to be my friend, Matt. I sent an email to RBC about this. I want to love like Bubbles does, and the others here.

    His Sparrow

    p.s. fadingman – yes to Ethel M. and yes I watched that movie too many times rofl!

  35. poohpity says:

    I think our minds have much ability to rationalize our lack of love especially if we are looking how others fail in that area and not really paying attention to how we are. When we come to our senses and see how we each fall short we seem to be more apt and quicker to forgive others and just maybe we will not hold them to such high standards. Then we can come to realize just how much “eternal gratitude to God for loving us in spite of all of the mindless, foolish, and evil things we do.” But if we have such high expectations of what we want to receive from others then we will “always” be disappointed and find fault in the lack of love we receive.

    I think the best question could be “how am I showing love to others?” rather than “how are they showing love to me?”. Luke 6:37,38

  36. poohpity says:

    Or even not “how good of a friend others are being to me.” but “how good of a friend am I being to others?”. You want to have good friends then be a good friend. You want love, then give it out. You want forgiveness, then forgive. Then we will not be so concerned how others fail in those areas but how bad I fail in those areas. I am only responsible to God for how I act and because of that I understand God’s immense grace and mercy.

  37. poohpity says:

    Wouldn’t it exciting to have Christians take on the same attitude as the owner of the dog had, “The victim later blamed himself for not having the trigger safety on, and made it clear that he still loves his dog.” A lot to learn from the dog owner taking responsibility for his part in the mishap.

  38. foreverblessed says:

    About friends, and relations and people that let you down. We are christians overhere on this blog, meaning that we are Christ’s. And Christ wants us to be his friend, not only children, but also friends.
    Agape love is His love for everyone, but the Phileo love, the brotherly love is for those intimate friends.
    I have found myself too busy being real friends with humans, but letting Jesus down. If I know for real that Jesus is my all in all, (that is a song we sing: You are my all in all, and what other songs we sing about our one big love: Jesus) but in reality we are looking for friendship here on earth with fellow human beings, how am I going to be a real close friend to Jesus. Someone wrote it here a while agt: how busy she was for getting ready for friends, and that Jesus told her, why are you not doing that for me?
    Jesus wants to be our real friend, and as a christian we have to tell each other: look to Him for everything, also for real friendship.
    Am I repeating myself here? But this is what dawned upon me lately, Jesus wants to be my best friend, do I first go to Him, do I live with Him. I liked Narrow telling she talks to Jesus while doing all sort of things, there is nobody there, but in reality Jesus is there, He is real, a Spiritual reality. We have to ask God to open our eyes, that we see that Spiritual reality. I start in the morning, focussing my mind on Jesus, He is here with me right now, being concerned with all my affairs, all my ins and outs, all my worries are His, His burden to bear. Do I share them with Him, or would I rather share them with a good friend. We start out like that as a christian, helping each other, but we should grow in making Jesus our best friend.
    Love you all, and pray for you.

  39. foreverblessed says:

    Ephesians 3:14-15,16-17,18-19,20-21

  40. davids says:

    Maru, your post reminded me that in my prayers I ask God for forgiveness for the things that I know I do wrong: for my lack of compassion, my waste and laziness, my anger, my failure to be an example of Christ’s love, my lust, and whatever else I can remember.

    I don’t really think about, or know how to pray, for the wrongs that I don’t know that I am doing: the people that I fail to reach out to, the good that I might have done.

    It all seems so immense. I can only rest in the arms of a loving God and try to live my life reflecting on His example.

  41. bubbles says:

    I have 2 friends left. I do not blame the ones who are no longer friends on my loneliness.

    I no longer needed three in my life. They were so full of selfishness and I do not need that.

    Only last week one wanted to repair damage. I told this person I had moved on. I no longer need critcism and cruelty in my life. I am better off without them.

    I do not miss them.

    We cannot rely on people. Even our own family does not always have our back.

  42. bubbles says:

    I do not have unlimited talk on the phone plan.

  43. bubbles says:

    Almost everyone works. Their job takes up the majority of their time. When the get home, there is family things to take care of. Housework has to be done, perhaps parents to care for. House repairs, yard work, getting groceries, going to the post office, dry cleaner and so on.

    There is not time to visit with other people. I have visited one person in the past six months.

    It’s not fair to become upset when people don’t come to visit. They are probably so overwhelmed with life they may not even have time to get the necessary things done they need to do. Visiting is a luxury that only happens once or twice a year for me. My own family has not visited here for a long time. But they think I am supposed to go there and stay all day, while they pop in for ten minutes, and then go on about their day.

    We live in a world that is so fast paced, and there is so much that is expected and has to be done, and multi tasking is a necessity and not a nifty thing.

  44. His Sparrow says:

    Hi Bubbles

    I agree with a lot of what you said about how much time working and home care requires…and a lot of people do work…

    that is one of the reasons why I so appreciate it when you/they take time, very precious time to comment here…I read all the posts as carefully as possible. You are all special to me.

    Lord Jesus, strengthen all of us for what lies ahead.

    His Sparrow

  45. kingdomkid7 says:

    Psalm 19:12 in KJV says “who can understand his errors? Cleanse thou me from secret faults.”. The New Life version of that scripture says “who can see his own mistakes? Forgive me my sins that I do not see.”

  46. foreverblessed says:

    Steve, it touched my heart how you inquired of everybody how they are doing! Thanks a lot for your interest.
    Pooh, you wrote: if we want to have friends: show yourself friendly. I agree with that, but I would add: go first to Jesus and ask for His love, because we lack these things ourselves, love, patience, peace, joy. That’s why I like these verses in Ephesians 3:16, when our strength is sapped away because of our feeling lonely and alone by others around us, friend, brothers sisters, we can feel lost and with no zest to live. But Jesus is able to fill us with everything we need, and more then we can ask for. Be still before Him, and in being still His strength slowly fills us, and we be much able to love a full life in His love. These verses also say: being rooted and established in love, Not only rooted, but also established, it is love at first and love at last. It is love that binds us to God and to each other.

  47. bubbles says:

    God even said it was not good for the man (Adam) to be alone. Apparently we were created as social beings; we need someone else in person.

    It’s hard to hear that all we need to do is pray and that will fix the loneliness. When you are alone and the phone never rings, no one ever comes, and it seems like everyone is busy and has someone, that’s hard. And there is not anyone to come for holidays, sitting and praying really does not fill an empty house.

  48. SFDBWV says:

    We love you Bubbles,

    Matt, Steve, Glenna

  49. SFDBWV says:

    I wrote a few posts yesterday, but that roving specter that won’t allow us sometimes to post reared up its ugly head and prevented me from doing so.

    Just as well, His Sparrow I had attempted to tell you that Matt is on a site called rest ministries. He rarely uses it any more as it too didn’t work out as planned or hoped for and he became a target for internet scammers, but we can be found that way.

    Della I seen two humming birds yesterday and what was most interesting is that they are more occupied with the fall flowers than the feeders.

    Foreverblessed I am glad I made you feel good; I have come to learn that being a friend to people takes effort and work, a ton of forgiveness and a real desire to love.

    One of the problems I have here is remembering everyone as sometimes the number is quite large and naming only some may offend, unintentionally, others.

    When I first came to the blog I kept a sheet of paper with all the names on it, it became a couple pages and soon I gave up and quit trying to list everyone for my help in recollection.

    Kingdomkid7 I once lived on Flower Ave. in Silver Spring and attended Montgomery Blair HS. That was a long time ago; even longer ago I lived in DC not far from where they built the JFK stadium, there was a National Guard Armory there before that.

    The world is not too large to find common ground and an opportunity to build friendships on.

    I have known people who would rather live a solitary life and I appreciate that as well.

    Warmed up to 41 this morning and as is the normal for this time of year the clear star filled sky turns into a fog as the sun begins to rise.


  50. s2inkzoo says:

    Thanks to all for the great thoughts on this subject! I has really made me think.

    Two things came to mind reading through this: 1) The affect of careless words, or thoughts thrown out without considering how others may interpret them, 2) The impact of the good we fail to do.

    Sometimes, I rush to get some thought out and don’t think of what how others may be hurt by what I say. It is easy to say that I don’t control how people interpret what I say, but for a Christian, isn’t there an obligation to love others? Just as when using a gun, they will teach you to make sure you know what is behind your target so you don’t unintentionally hit something else, I think we should try to choose words so that we don’t hurt others. Now I realize this can get complex, because there are those that will choose to try to be offended by them. I am not as talking about that. There are also those those that are offended is someone disagrees with them. I am also not talking about that. You can disagree in a respectful way. I guess that probably is the best way of thinking of what I am trying to say – we need to be respectful in the words we use. Even if we don’t intend to offend, hurting others with careless words is like if someone’s careless handling of a gun ended up with someone else getting shot.

    The posts about friends not visiting Matt, made me think of Matthew 25:31-46. And I reflected on the impact of not doing the good that God has made me to do. So, the unintentional sins of not helping others as I should. And the list in Matthew is not a list of big things – giving them water, visiting them, feeding them, giving them something to drink. I will have to think about this more . . .

  51. remarutho says:

    Good Morning All —

    s2inkzoo, you wrote:
    “And I reflected on the impact of not doing the good that God has made me to do.”
    This touches the heart in a special way! Back to the daily question, “Why am I here?” (Ephesians 2:10)

    Trusting in Jesus in the face of opposition and confrontation — or laughter and cynicism — takes Holy Spirit strength, it seems to me. I certainly do not have the “stuff” to swim against the worldly current of wrong-doing. Sometimes small acts of kindness, generosity and encouragement seem weak in the midst. Yet, we pray for Christ to multiply these acts of obedience in ways we do not see into an unstoppable weight of good against the tide of evil. It’s a wonder.


  52. SFDBWV says:

    I am so pleased s2inkzoo you understand my using my own son’s situation as an example of what can occur when those small acts of kindness are passed over and for you Maru for so eloquently expressing it.

    Much good can come from the small little seed of loving kindness and much harm can come from not practicing it.

    Sometimes we need to see it from a real person and not just an intellectual exercise.


  53. poohpity says:

    foreverblessed, I was trying to say we spend so much time looking how others fail us in their friendship we miss the only one we are responsible for and that is us. Are we being a good friend to others? By the example of Jesus He was the best friend even to those who would deny, destroy and condemn Him. Grace was His mission. Jesus expected nothing in return for His friendship and love. What He got in return was the Cross. He first loved us and because of that love we can love Him. He was first a friend even to those who did not deserve or want that friendship. I also have to look at myself are there aspects of my personality that may cause others to not want to be around me rather than making excuses, pray and ask God to change me.

    I have found that even if I watch everything I say it still may effect someone negatively especially if it hits an areas they are convicted in and their response could be defensive and then lead to anger. I guess the best thing to do is what James tells us in James 1:19. If I keep in mind the grace shown me then even if someone says something that offends, through Jesus I have the ability to also show them grace.

    Do I show grace even to those who may not deserve it as was shown me when I did not deserve it. Making allowances for faults and failures because I have them as well. I will never be a perfect friend, mother, sister or child but hopefully I will learn from the areas I mess up in to grow and change to be a better friend, mother, sister and child than I was yesterday.

  54. poohpity says:

    I think sometimes we throw the word “friend” around to loosely. Most people on a whole are acquaintances with the intent to become closer over time to turn into a friend. A real friend accepts us with all our quirks, failures, faults and looks for the good always. My dad always said that if we end our lives with enough friends we can count on one hand then we are very lucky. A friend knows us intimately and loves us anyway. That is what I think of when I consider Jesus as my friend. I did not go looking for Him, He looked for me and sought me out but never holds back truth by undeserved flattery to gain my love and affection. There is nothing about me He does not see yet still went to the Cross.

    Over time when we grow and change hopefully our friends either are growing and changing right along with us or the friendship will eventually grow apart. I want a friend who will want me to be better and will hold me accountable just like Jesus. To me He never leaves us as He found us. As with any friend we get to know them more and more over time, the more time we spend with Jesus the more like Him we will find ourselves.

    To be unequally yoked with someone can apply to friends as well. If we live with friends that do not live to please Jesus on a whole they will draw us down rather than the opposite being true.

  55. foreverblessed says:

    Bubbles, still I pray for you, and for Matt, and for many others, our Lord Jesus is our Saviour, our Friend He will make a way out of loneliness.
    Psalm 40:1-2,3-4

  56. poohpity says:

    Father , thank you so very much for loving us in spite of the intentional, mindless, foolish and evil things we do. Help us to be more and more like you with a forgiveness and mercy that represent who we are in you extended to all we know now and that you bring into our midst in the future. Help us to grow in grace and mercy all the days of our lives. IJNIP

    :)- ~~~~~~~~

  57. poohpity says:


  58. kingdomkid7 says:

    Steve, I know the place you’re talking about in D.C. I was born in the D.C. General hospital around the corner from that Armory. Hospital is closed now. Small world!

  59. SFDBWV says:

    Have not been able to copy and post all day, this is a test.


  60. SFDBWV says:

    Mart I see by this test if I copy from a word processor and attempt to post, it goes to the “Not Found” page of BTA.

    If I just write in the space available writting space and post it goes through.


  61. SFDBWV says:

    Claudia, I guessed that your husband was sick and weak, and I understand how going any where for sick people is very difficult, Matt gets very uncomfortable in only a few miles of traveling.

    My invitation is an open one, in the mean time we can chat here. prayers for you and your family.


  62. His Sparrow says:

    I was just noticing our topic said “a young hunting dog…” and started wondering if in our spiritual immaturity we commit unintentional sin.

    And of course, since our maturing process doesn’t stop til moment day we are with Jesus, I’m so, so grateful that the Lord sees our hearts, like the young, playfully affectionate hunting dog-who can’t help himself on his own, and still loves us.

    There is a part of a verse in 2 Chronicles, 16:9 which I read from Rest Ministries today that expresses the above idea for me:

    2 Chronicles 16:9 in part (KJ) “For the eyes of the Lord run to and fro throughout the whole earth, to show himself strong in the behalf of them whose heart is perfect toward him. …”

    Claudia, I hardly ever hear anyone mention that the hummeez will take a shower in the hose spray. It’s very fascinating, yes, and then they come hover in your face. Try getting that close to any other bird…

    I had banty roosters that would sit on my head and shoulders, fun for a about 59 seconds.

    Yes, we are close to one another in heart. And praying earnestly for strength for our daily lives.

    Can you take a train to visit?
    I’ve started doing that partly because of comfort-big, wide seating, wifi, snack bar and great views. Even naps work. Sometimes a connecting bus, but yowie, they are luxurious these days.

    His Sparrow

  63. SFDBWV says:

    Claudia I loved your long and personal note, never think that you can be too long or too personal.

    I have come to learn that the difficulties we live are good lessons for helping others cope and understand their own place in life.

    It is one of the small things I can do for thoes here is listen and allow them to be them.

    We still have two humming birds sticking around, though as I said they are more interested right now in the wild Astors and fall flowers than my feeders.

    I also have deleted many many posting, especially in the afternoons, as my time is constantly divided between every one elses needs my train of thought gets broken and when I read over what I had written it somehow begins to sour.

    Keep the faith.

  64. SFDBWV says:

    His Sparrow, I had attempted to post a topical comment of the subject but after a dozen failed attempts to post it I gave up. Yours sounded nice though.

    I told Mart it was ok for he or whomever he designated to hook us up, so look for it soon.


  65. SFDBWV says:

    Insane, i just coppied every word here from my word processor and it still went to the Not found page of BTA????


  66. His Sparrow says:

    I got the info; message coming y’allz way.

    I just, you know, “love” technology…especially acts up when the thoughts we spend time writing out aren’t exactly able to be re-called the same exact way.

    I often write stuff out and then decide not to send it … or it gets “lost in space” I guess the satellite signals can’t handle the global warming :)

    His Sparrow

  67. SFDBWV says:

    Never having lived in a time when it was considered proper toannually sacrifice animals for my sins, or belonging to a religious group that had to select different animals to sacrifice in alignment with my sins; I am at a loss as how they may have felt or concerned themselves with the treatment of others in their society.

    I do however belong to a faith that makes how I think of and treat others, connected to how I myself am thought of by God.

    Jesus made it a point over and over again to treat others with love and respect, and that if we didn’t, not to expect God to treat us any differently.

    It seems to me that Christianity centers on how we treat other people.

    It also seems to me that the action of treating others with kindness and love takes an effort to do so and with some even extra effort. Yet still it is what Jesus commanded of us.

    it would also seem that if we are consciously trying to treat others with love and respect we will be less apt to commit thoes unknown sins we are talking about.

    The blood covering of Jesu covers our sins no matter whether intentional or unintentional, but that doesn’t give us the right to do either once we accept Christ into our hearts. It just forgives us if we do.

    So this is how we treat others, with love and respect.


  68. SFDBWV says:

    His Sparrow, Matt will be coming to the computer to spend the remainder of the evening, I won’t be back again until tomorrow morning, hope to see you then.


  69. foreverblessed says:

    Thank you Claudia, for your kind comments, for your kindness, thank God.
    Steve, tell Matt I think about him and pray for him.
    About the topic, yesterday in a hunting party a man has been shot, he was mistaken for an animal. In the first place I didn’t know there were hunting parties in our country, but what a mistake that is!
    Another thing happened last night, 4ooo young people going to a small town, where there would be a party, it was mentioned on face book, but the girl had forgotten the say it was private, and put it on for everybody. There were a few hooligans amongst them, and the town is in a mess. Like a war, these children, or young adults do foolish things, things they regret when they get mature. How to get rid of all those bad memories, bad things done while young: At the cross
    There is a song: You made me whole…. at the cross
    One sacrifice, once for all Hebrews 7:27, Hebrews 10:1-2,10

  70. remarutho says:

    Good Evening Mart & Friends –

    I am fine with us being off topic in this case, since the intention of the heart is what the story of the hunter and his dog is about. The master forgives the fumbling effort of his pet to show affection – and our Lord forgives our sometimes unsuccessful efforts to live our lives obediently.

    It is hard to understand the Lord’s attitude or opinion about our good intentions when we fall short so often…Makes me think of the insurance commercial in which the gal drives into the garage forgetting the bicycles are on top of the car, smashing them to pieces and tearing up the door – the speeding vehicle taking the door off a woman’s open car door – and the man failing to see the sliding glass door, running into it with a platter of barbecue. We know there is death and maiming through human error. Still, there are those of us who mean to do God’s will at all times. Infirmity, weakness, carelessness and temptation rob us of the power to do good.

    It is a wonder of God’s loving-care that we keep one another in prayer and remembrance. It is our hearts as children of God that bear the truth of his unfathomable love. God’s love in Christ is much, much greater than all our weakness and ineffectiveness. God’s love is the greatest power in the universe. Surely we can grow in our capacity to forgive one another in him.


  71. poohpity says:

    There is no comparison between an animal who acts on instinct with the life of a believer who makes a choice to follow after the Master by respecting the principles of discernment and listening to the conviction of the Holy Spirit. An animal just does what comes natural. When they are boxed in a corner they attack or when they are excited they jump, well maybe some people act like that but are not Christians held to a higher standard. The unbeliever is not even held to that standard but yet often times we expect them to.

    Some do not even belong to a fellowship of the Saints to learn nor do they fill themselves with the Word of God so they may not even be aware that their sin is first and primarily against God then against another human being. So how would one be aware of their sin to even ask for forgiveness if all they know is the worlds standards for living where many things are accepted and tolerated.

    Guidelines are set up for a reason but as long as one feels they can do as they please those guidelines are no longer important. The attitude that I can do whatever I want, when I want is no longer the attitude of a believer we want and desire to live to please our Master, not ourselves. Do we mess up, yes, but we are convicted and admit to our wrongs, ask for forgiveness and turn from our old ways.

  72. poohpity says:

    Where there is not the Spirit of God living within someone they may not feel the prick to their conscience that their actions are wrong like that dog had no idea what it did was wrong. If we have grieved the Holy Spirit by not listening when we are convicted then it will no longer speak and will allow us to go our own way until we are open to listening if we ever were.

  73. remarutho says:

    Good Evening All –

    The comparison of the hunter and his dog holds up as an example of unintentional evil. The unmerited, unearned grace of God is often the door to faith and trust in him for a worldly human heart.

    Recall the Gentile woman who came to Jesus asking for healing for her daughter. Jesus told her, “Let the children be satisfied first, for it is not good to take the children’s bread and throw it to the dogs.” (Mark 7:27) The woman did not flinch at the unfavorable comparison. She said, “Yes, Lord, but even the dogs under the table feed on the children’s crumbs.” (Mark 7:26) Because of her humble answer, she found that Jesus had healed her child when she returned home. It was because of her answer that Jesus showed her mercy and grace. (Mark 7:29)

    It seems to me if this Syrophoenician mom had given a superior or arrogant answer, Jesus would not have poured out healing grace upon the daughter. Though, perhaps he would have healed the girl no matter what. In every case, Jesus chooses to love and do good to us.

    Mart, you wrote:
    “Raises questions in my mind about how many of our sins we commit in ignorance and unbelief; wonder about the ability of our fallen minds to rationalize our lack of love; and eternal gratitude to God for loving us in spite of all of the mindless, foolish, and evil things we do.”

    Our fallen natures – and the evil abroad in the world emerge sometimes in spite of all our efforts to walk sinless. Jesus has made the sacrifice to lovingly cover every sin.


  74. remarutho says:

    My quote of the woman’s answer is Mark 7:28 Sorry, Maru

  75. His Sparrow says:

    Keep rollin’ poohpity, that is so truth @Sept 22 8:26 and 8:17 pm!

    I also just just checked out the link on the dog story- it was in France and it was a deer hunting party…not in the U.S. I’m probably the only one who didn’t absorb this the first time through.

    Yes Maru, I sure have spent alotta years of wasted effort trying to walk sinless before I would let the Lord lead me and love me. It was the attitude I picked up that I had to first clean myself up before He would love me….duh …where’d I get that from? Praise God I found out it wasn’t true.

  76. SFDBWV says:

    TV is flush with *reality* shows of almost every kind, it is nearly impossible to find anything except them amongst a hundred channels.

    I watched one a few nights ago titled *Yukon Men* on Discovery Channel. It seemed to be somewhat topical in that it showed these people living in such a remote area of North America and how dependant they are on both the modern snow mobile and still the dog sleds all necessary for hunting and providing meat for their families.

    Their very lives dependant on their hunting skills and respect for all the dangers in the harsh environment they live in.

    Dogs have been helping man hunt for many generations and as long as there is the need to hunt there will be dogs who aid their *masters* in the task.

    In this story of accidentally mistreating others there is also the accidental and intentional mistreatment of all of nature around us especially the animals we have tamed for our use and convenience.

    Wondering what is the atonement for the mistreatment of the natural world around us.


  77. remarutho says:

    Good Morning All!
    Steve! I like your question very much! We can ask the Lord for forgiveness for our sorry stewardship of the natural gifts our Creator has given us — but words are not enough. The waters, soil, air and plants and animals need our care. I believe the earth needs our care more than ever in our time.

    My prayer is that we will become good stewards of our resources — sooner rather than later!


  78. narrowpathseeker says:

    I, also have spent many collective hours writing comments to many here only to have it lost. I have many thoughts on that which are all based on using my time more wisely and whether the Lord or the devil didn’t want me posting what I had written. However, I received an email devotional this morning from Christianity .com which I think is very encouraging for those of us going through difficult times. I was thinking specifically of Cherielyn, but then “ya’ll”:-) came to mind. I am thinking and praying for all, and hope this is as encouraging to you as it was to me. I don’t know if it will get posted or if this is another chunk of time wasted, but whatever, so be it..
    Deliverance from Dust and Chaff

    “For, lo, I will command, and I will sift the house of Israel among all nations, like as corn is sifted in a sieve, yet shall not the least grain fall upon the earth” (Amos 9:9).

    The sifting process is going on still. Wherever we go, we are still being winnowed and sifted. In all countries God’s people are being tried “like as corn is sifted in a sieve.” Sometimes the devil holds the sieve and tosses us up and down at a great rate, with the earnest desire to get rid of us forever.

    Unbelief is not slow to agitate our heart and mind with its restless fears. The world lends a willing hand at the same process and shakes us to the right and to the left with great vigor. Worst of all, the church, so largely apostate as it is, comes in to give a more furious force to the sifting process. Well, well! Let it go on. Thus is the chaff severed from the wheat. Thus is the wheat delivered from dust and chaff.

    And how great is the mercy which comes to us in the text, “Yet shall not the least grain fall upon the earth”! All shall be preserved that is good, true, gracious. Not one of the least of believers lose anything worth calling a loss. We shall be so kept in the sifting that it shall be a real gain to us through Christ Jesus.

  79. poohpity says:

    Maru, it may sound like it was that woman’s answer that Jesus healed her daughter but if Jesus is concerned with our hearts above all else then we find in Matthew the same story but it was in fact because of her faith that Jesus answered her request. Matt 15:28

    Wouldn’t it be nice if we considered our hearts the loaded guns and the Holy Spirit is the safety. What is in our hearts is what comes pouring out our mouths so it would seem that maybe a prayer before we say anything would cause less damage then we would not have to ask for forgiveness so much. God knows what lies in those secret places in our hearts 1 Cor 2:11(NLT)

  80. His Sparrow says:

    Re caring for the earth…I gotta do some more thinking later, but in Genesis 1:28, the first thing God did after creating the man and woman was bless them.

    Then he gave instructions:

    be fruitful ,

    replenish the earth,

    subdue the earth,
    have dominion over …fish, birds that fly,
    every living thing that moves on the earth…

    So I’m thinking replenish the earth is our responsibility to steward what He gave us.

    Subdue has various synonyms and the one I think that fits is to ‘reign over’ meaning to be in charge of. That is what I have to think about more and check into and then think about the idea of sin and mistreating nature.

    Any input on this, anyone?

    Your comment was the Holy Spirit answering my heart. Friday night I was biking to my fellowship and I, like the chicken that crossed the road to get to the other side,
    decided to cross traffic and wait inside the double-double yellow lines for a clearing rather than go another block and then cross and back.

    Well, I did what my heart wanted and didn’t ask the Lord first. A driver got very angry, honking a horn and stopping in traffic. I wasn’t moving from my safe spot, but I stuck out both arms pointing to the lines, I didn’t say anything, but later, I got mad about it blaming the driver.

    Yeah, heart pours out with no safety. I know I can do better next time thanks to your excellent way of teaching.

    His Sparrow

  81. poohpity says:

    Mart, if Jesus would not withhold love then I have no idea how we can rationalize the lack of love on our part other than we just do not really know how to do it without attaching the need to receive something back because self seems to always get in the way.

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