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Jonah and the Word of God


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He was a Jewish prophet who, in the 8th century before Christ, spoke words inspired by God. His name, Jonah, meant “dove”—a bird regarded as a symbol of peace.

The Backstory– He was first known as a prophet who predicted that Jeroboam 2, the tenth king of the northern tribes of Israel, would conquer lands lost to Syria (2Kings 14:25) that had earlier been seized and controlled by king David (2Kings 14:28).

From what we later learn about Jonah, he must have found great satisfaction in a message that would signal a military victory for his people.

But that’s not the part of Jonah’s story that gets the most attention.

Jonah the Reluctant Prophet— Many of us probably grew up knowing Jonah as the prophet who tried to run from a God-given assignment and, as a result, spent three days in the stomach of a great fish, before grudgingly completing his mission.

When he  does finally speak in behalf of the God of Israel, he turns out to be a prophet of few words. The only record we have of what Jonah says to the people of  Nineveh is found in the fourth verse of the third chapter (Jonah 3:4).

At these words, the whole city cries out for mercy—and gets it.

A Question— What happened? How could it be?

How could God change his mind when the message was so clear—and seemingly unconditional? In forty days God was going to destroy the city (Jonah 3:4). This was the Word of God.

Is there any evidence that God asked… convinced… or forced Jonah to beg, urge, and plead with the citizens of Nineveh to have a change of heart that would turn them from enemies into friends?

Jonah’s Answer— The repentance of Nineveh is what he was afraid of. He knew the God of Israel was a compassionate and merciful God (Jonah 4:1-3).

Though unspoken, and undeclared, Jonah knew that there was more to the Word of God—than he had been asked to say to a people that he feared, resented, and hated.

The Bigger Picture— The New Testament later uses Jonah as a backdrop and parallel to Jesus. As Jonah’s story (and possibly grotesquely bleached skin?) of three days in the stomach of a fish signaled to the people of Nineveh that he had been sent by God, so Jesus’ story of rising from three days in the grave would be a compelling sign that he had been sent by a compassionate and merciful God. (Luke 11:29–32).

This may be another indication that— what we read in inspired written words— needs to be understood as backstory to what we are now introduced to in the life giving mercy and grace of the personal, living, and everlasting Word of God (1Peter 1:22-23).

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94 Responses to “Jonah and the Word of God”

  1. SFDBWV says:

    I see that today’s new topic is something of a continuation of the last as we are still discussing “The Word of God” from Jonah’s angle.

    Having been raised a Protestant and indoctrinated into the Faith of Christianity from the Protestant Bible as well as Protestant preachers, and teachers, for the most part of my life this is all I knew.

    Then curiosity caused me to look into a Catholic Bible and what do you know, there are more Books included into the Catholic Bible than the Protestant.

    In the last string of comments our very gentle and tender sister Foreverblessed talked of how early indoctrination into the Bible led her into an order of “Law” based worship and adherence to life under the onus of the “law” rather than the revelation of “grace”.

    Not too odd is Joe Stowell’s comments about his loving the Bible in yesterday as well as today’s lineup on the RBC home page.

    This love of reading the Word of God is what caused Martin Luther to champion his cause of bringing the Word of God to his fellow countrymen so that they too could learn of “grace”.

    It seems insane to us now to fathom how ever in the world could the church in Rome have come to burning people to death for even considering providing the “written word” to Christians. But not only did the church in Rome, but the church in England did as well.

    What was it that the leaders of Christianity feared from the written word being available to everyone; loss of control, loss of power.

    Fear kept people in line and under control. Fear of a horrible painful death and fear of that same torment being perpetrated upon them for eternity.

    Mercy and grace frees us of *fear*.

    Jonah, though a Prophet of God, didn’t really understand *grace* though He *knew* God to be Merciful he didn’t want mercy shown for his enemy. Jonah had yet to be introduced to the concept of loving someone in the same way he wanted to be loved.

    Incredible as it seems Catholic’s and Protestant’s still kill each other in Northern Ireland.

    Though the Catholic Bible has more books in it than the Protestant, Protestant’s say “so what” as if those included books are *not* inspired, breathed or a representation of the *Word* of God.

    It is no small wonder why the only hope for any of us lay in Jesus and His grace and not in what we know.


  2. pegramsdell says:

    I can so relate to Jonah. Just saying…….:))

  3. Artle says:

    The last verse of the Book of Jonah tells us we don’t need to know much. It would seem Nineveh’s heart was more important than their knowledge.

    It is interesting that the sailors tried to save Jonah, albeit in their own way. Jonah was also bent on doing it his own way. Seems there is a lot of “my way” in the bible, but God’s way will always prevail, even when it seems like there is no hope.

    Had not thought about the idea that Jonah may have looked like the walking dead, but that would certainly have an impact on those who heard his message.

    I started to write, hoping God never needs to throw me into the deep, but then realized, He already has and I am hoping I got the message.

  4. cbrown says:

    “It is no small wonder why the only hope for any of us lay in Jesus and His grace and not in what we know.”Praise God who does all things good. From the Bible we can see that man is “broken” but God is so merciful.Steve a verse that I go over several times a day whenever I take my eyes off Jesus,which is often,is Proverbs 3:5-7.”Trust in the Lord with all thy heart and lean not on thy own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge Him and he shall direct thy path.Be not wise in thy on eyes. Fear the Lord and depart from evil.” Love you brother. Chris Brown

  5. quietgrace says:

    Good morning all!
    I just thought how Jonah reminds me of the older brother in the story of the prodigal. I also thought of how much I still have to learn about God’s amazing love and grace. It seems to be fathomless and more wide-ranging than I can even think or imagine. So grateful this day for knowing this wonderful God.

    Chris I have a plaque of prov. 3:5-7 also I look at daily as a reminder that God is bigger and wiser than I or anybody.

    God bless all the Jonahs out there! Grace

  6. SFDBWV says:

    Chris in my kitchen over one of my windows I have Proverbs 3:5, 6 framed and hung as a reminder as well, also on the walls above the computer desk is 1 Corinthians 13:1-13 Philippians 4:4-7 and Psalms 119:105. To the side of my kitchen back door is Hebrews 11:1 and above an arch going from the kitchen to the dining room is Joshua 24:15. All seen by me as I walk about the house and meant to encourage me and any who read them.

    Your brother in Christ

  7. remarutho says:

    Good Morning BTA Friends —

    Wow! Do I like the fish with underwater goggles in your photo, Mart! Perhaps we are “seeing through a glass darkly!” (as the KJV puts it)

    The Apostle Paul tells the Corinthians that the glory veiled on Moses’ face then is much, much more glorious in the working of the blessed Holy Spirit among us, now unveiled and moving closer as the kingdom comes fully into the world.

    Condemnation (words chiseled in stone tablets) has given way to the Law of Love written upon hearts of flesh and blood — the ministry of justification and reconciliation that has come to us by the resurrection of Jesus.

    We can only praise and worship our God — Father, Son and Holy Spirit. We could sit and brood under our shade-tree — or we could get excited and tell all about what the Lord has done for us! Jonah gets a facebook page!

    Joyfully yours,

  8. poohpity says:

    Hatred, prejudice and malice seemed to plaque Jonah. He seemed all right as long as he was speaking impending doom for those who were against God’s people but withheld the understanding of what was given to him, mercy.

    Mercy of the great fish who rather than Jonah going to his death in the sea, was spared, given a rebirth sort of. He was saved but did not want others to be and showed hatred, anger and resentment toward God because of His compassion and grace. In others words be compassionate and merciful to me but not to others, I deserve it because I am your spokesman but they are the enemy so withhold it from them.

    It seems Peter put it that our obedience to truth is acting out in the same love as we have been shown. If we ever come to a point that we feel we are deserving of what God has given us we may want to go back and take a very good look at ourselves. Jonah’s rebirth did not reflect a rebirth but seemed just be saved from dying in the sea not to a spiritual awaking to being born again. He still seemed to harbor anger, hatred, malice and prejudice.

  9. street says:

    I like the way the book of Jonah ends! I think we get to finish the story with our own lives!

  10. poohpity says:

    street, I am confused. The end of the story shows a man, Jonah filled with self pity because God wanted to show those he felt were undeserving of God’s mercy, mercy. So why would we want to finish the story with our own lives in that way?

  11. oneg2dblu says:

    street… Yes! It sounds to me that God is doing the speaking at the end of that story and asking, “Should I not be concerned about that great city?”

    Shouldn’t we also having the same heart or will as God, or having the Holy Spirit living in us, also be concerned about those who do not know their right hand from their left?

    Those who are headed for destruction… those who could still repent and be saved from it?

    Shouldn’t we also then show mercy and compassion to the wayward, the lost, the fallen ones, the ones who need to hear the warnings, in how we chose to share with them, and in how we live our lives?

    “Repent for the Kingdom of Heaven is near.”


  12. street says:

    poohpity says:
    May 16, 2014 at 4:18 pm

    street, I am confused. The end of the story shows a man, Jonah filled with self pity because God wanted to show those he felt were undeserving of God’s mercy, mercy. So why would we want to finish the story with our own lives in that way?

    Dear pooh,
    Then the Lord said, “You had compassion on the plant for which you did not work and which you did not cause to grow, which [h]came up overnight and perished [i]overnight. 11 Should I not have compassion on Nineveh, the great city in which there are more than 120,000 persons who do not know the difference between their right and left hand, as well as many animals?”

    Jonah had more concern for a plant than 120,000 children who were so young they still did not know right from left. whether he developed a heart of compassion for his enemies is not given. what I was implying is the jury is still out while we still live as to developing a heart of love for our enemies. we don’t know how Jonah turned out. Jesus made it quite clear we where to love our enemies. very tough command, but doable because He can sustain us. you must remember we at one time were Great adversaries of God, but He has brought us near buy His Magnificent Grace! God bless you and keep you in is Perfect Love.

    Footnote generally when God asks a question it is get you to notice how far you have wandered from Him.

  13. street says:

    just remembered the story of Balaam and the talking donkey. He had a problem similar to Jonah.

  14. SFDBWV says:

    The questions Mart has ask are very thought provoking and may have answers if not only by our conjecture and biased views.

    First of all why did God tell Jonah to go to Nineveh? Jonah 1:1 says that “The Word of the Lord came to Jonah” (there may be an entire discussion on just that statement.) Jonah 1:2 states that Jonah is to go to that great city of Nineveh and preach against it because “Their wickedness has come up before me.”

    Jonah knew that warnings from God are a special invitation to repent.

    Jonah’s narrow minded view of Nineveh was that it was not a part of Israel and so did not deserve mercy.

    However what it is God seems to be doing is producing a living example of mercy for both this generation of Nineveh and its descendants as well as a look into the future when the Gospel of salvation is offered to both Jew and Gentile alike.

    Special attention should be given to Jonah 2:2-10 as there is both prophesy and enlightenment in Jonah’s prayer.

    When all hope is lost God can always deliver (Jonah 2:6).

    It is not my intention to stir up controversy, I only want to say that in my King James Bible Jonah 2:2 says “out of the belly of *hell* cried I, and thou heardest my voice.” And from the Catholic Bible it says “From the midst of the *nether world* I cried for help and you heard my voice.”

    The entire story of Jonah is about mercy.

    We can dig deep if you want or can take what we have learned on the surface and be satisfied with that.

    God can take us on quite an exhaustive journey, but it seems the end result is always going to be an open door for mercy and forgiveness, especially when it seems there is no hope for it.


  15. quietgrace says:

    This morning in my private devotion I was led to Ps.64. I am struck, once again, at how God is both a God of justice and mercy-that there could not be the one without the other. But in the end, God is God, and as in the story of Nineveh, he hates the sin, but loves the sinner.
    I think it takes us all a while to figure this out, but what a blessing to know this wonderful God/Creator of us all and of all things.
    Have a blessed Saturday everyone. Grace

  16. armando1961 says:

    While I am deeply touched by the story of Jonah, I believe it should be read in its proper context. The Bible is the inspired word of God but not everything in the Bible should, in my opinion, be taken literally. The Bible comprises many writings recorded by scores of individuals over several hundred years, with God’s Love, Mercy and Majesty –and for us Christians, the Incarnation, Divinity, Mission, Death and Resurrection of Jesus– as the overriding, central theme; but the Bible comprises various types of writing. The Bible is history (the Books of Kings and Chronicles, for example), but it is also poetry, allegory and metaphor; take, for instance, the Psalms and the Proverbs. There is a substantial body of academic work that contends that several books in the Old Testament, including the Book of Jonah and the Book of Job, should be taken more as literary devices –cautionary tales– than literal recordings of actual events and people. I do not doubt that the historical tradition –both Jewish and Christian– has been to consider Jonah as one of the prophets, but I respectfully side with those who contend that the Book of Jonah is more literature –religious literature, to be certain, but literature nonetheless– than history. To me, that does not in the least diminish my faith as a believer in God and as a Christian, nor does it detract from the central message of God’s Existence, Majesty and Mercy. I do not require every actual word in the Bible to be literally true, as a factual statement, to believe in God and to be a Christian.

  17. street says:

    I love this story! Great faith and great mercy.
    The Syrophoenician Woman

    24 Jesus got up and went away from there to the region of Tyre[k]. And when He had entered a house, He wanted no one to know of it; [l]yet He could not escape notice. 25 But after hearing of Him, a woman whose little daughter had an unclean spirit immediately came and fell at His feet. 26 Now the woman was a [m]Gentile, of the Syrophoenician race. And she kept asking Him to cast the demon out of her daughter. 27 And He was saying to her, “Let the children be satisfied first, for it is not [n]good to take the children’s bread and throw it to the dogs.” 28 But she answered and *said to Him, “Yes, Lord, but even the dogs under the table feed on the children’s crumbs.” 29 And He said to her, “Because of this [o]answer go; the demon has gone out of your daughter.” 30 And going back to her home, she found the child [p]lying on the bed, the demon having left.

  18. remarutho says:

    Good Morning BTA —

    The repentance of the entire city of Nineveh has to be one of the largest mass conversions on record. Surely the Lord showed up to convince hearts and minds through Jonah’s preaching. And God held Jonah to the task until it was accomplished. He wasn’t permitted to drag his feet or resist divine will.

    But, the final chapter of Nineveh’s sad career of making war and causing terror in the Ancient Near East went another way. By the end of the 7th century BC, Nineveh was a pile of burnt rubble. The armies of nations who had been cruelly conquered and enslaved by Assyria descended upon the capital city and destroyed it.

    The Prophet Nahum tells how and especially why Nineveh was destroyed: “The Lord has given commandment about you: ‘No more shall your name be perpetuated; from the house of your gods I will cut off the carved image and the metal image. I will make your grave, for you are vile.'” (Nahum 1:14)

    After God showed great mercy to Nineveh through Jonah, the nation of Assyria caused more bloodshed, torture and cruel slavery than before. In the end, it was obliterated so completely that no trace was found by archaeologists until the 1800s AD.

    It seems to me the hand of God moves history in God’s time and in God’s way. We, like Jonah, are part of the history, though we do not always know how or why — and we certainly can’t predict the final shot. We are called to bring the Word of God, whatever else is happening.


  19. street says:

    armando1961 says: but I respectfully side with those who contend that the Book of Jonah is more literature –religious literature, to be certain, but literature nonetheless– than history.
    I think you are in a drift. at first you say “The Bible is the inspired word of God but,” then you say it’s literature on par with other books in the library. Can these statements both be true? God is Spirit man is of flesh. To be sure it was written for men, but it dose not profit all men. God is seek worshipers who worship in Spirit and in Truth.
    The Bible is Spiritual. It is nonsense to the carnal man. I think if we are honest I am more like Johan then like the person I wish to be.

    Our fathers worshiped in this mountain, and you people say that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship.” 21 Jesus *said to her, “Woman, believe Me, an hour is coming when neither in this mountain nor in Jerusalem will you worship the Father. 22 You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, for salvation is from the Jews. 23 But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers. 24 God is [e]spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”

  20. remarutho says:

    Both the appalling cruelty and the enjoyment of it are attested in the Assyrian Chronicles. They were a bloody people. The Babylonian Chronicles, along with later historical writings, affirm the destruction of Nineveh in about 612 BC.


  21. remarutho says:

    Both the cruelty and the enjoyment of that evil pleasure are attested in the Assyrian Chronicles. The destruction of Nineveh is recorded as taking place in 612 BC in the Babylonian Chronicles.


  22. remarutho says:

    Sorry to post twice!

  23. SFDBWV says:

    My apologies for my departure from our subject; I just wanted to ask for prayers for the families and friends of the 301 coal miners known to have died in that mining disaster in Soma Turkey.

    Such pain and sadness needs the comfort of our Lord.


  24. armando1961 says:

    street, I agree that non-believers completely miss the point about the intended purpose and significance of the Bible, but I respectfully disagree that it is “nonsense” to the carnal man (or woman). There are many non-believers who appreciate and respect the Bible from a literary or sociological standpoint, they just completely miss or deny the religious or spiritual dimension. It may just be a matter of semantics, though; if by “nonsense” you mean that it does not profit non-believers one bit in a spiritual sense, then I completely agree that it is “nonsense” to non-believers.

  25. poohpity says:

    If 2 Kings is an actual historical book and Jonah is mentioned as a prophet of God to Israel that would lead me to believe that Jonah is an actual person. If I were writing a book about myself I would tend to hide the worst things about me or at least gloss them over but Jonah seems to be describing mostly the worse in himself to show how God’s mercy and compassion are for all peoples. If I believe the words of Jesus to be truth and Jesus even refers back to Jonah then that also would lead me to believe it is an actual historical writing. Not to say there are not parts of scripture that are allegorical as in Daniel or Revelation. Is Jesus a liar?

  26. poohpity says:

    The God I know and love has the capabilities to make a great fish and one that is able to deglutition a man after all we are speaking of the One who created all things. Although we can put limits on God when we decide to wrap our finite minds around something that is infinite. God will not fit into the box we have chosen to put Him in. If we do not believe the story of Jonah then what others parts do we pick and chose to believe then maybe we actually do not even know God at all or believe that God is able to do more than we can ever think or imagine. Our God is not limited by what we chose to believe.

  27. Artle says:

    It is all, after all, a matter of faith.

  28. street says:

    The LORD appeared to us in the past, saying: “I have loved you with an everlasting love; I have drawn you with unfailing kindness. Jeremiah 31:3

    I think Pooh has a BINGO!

  29. poohpity says:

    I don’t look at like a BINGO. The lord asked us to be ready to give answers for our faith and hope with respect and gentleness.(1Peter 3:15; Col 4:6; 2 Tim 2:25) It is not a one up sort of thing, thinking of it as a BINGO that means one wins and someone else loses. We all win when we can give answers for the why’s we believe the way we do and the way we do it shows who we trust in. Everyone wins when we have knowledge of the truth we hold dear to, remembering we each only see a glimpse.

  30. street says:

    we all have goals in life and some are not met, but we press on. God’s goal will be met in us in Christ Jesus. That is a happy moment, a eureka moment or a BINGO!

    It is hard to live a continuous life of Joy because we are required to take up the cross daily. take it up daily because it rids us of many pitfalls and sets our minds on whats truly important. the One who tells us to do it knows the way. He is a good Shepard.

  31. remarutho says:

    Good Morning BTA Friends —

    As you say, Mart, in Jesus Christ:

    “…we are now introduced to in the life giving mercy and grace of the personal, living, and everlasting Word of God…” It seems to me we have some challenges in thinking of the man Jesus as the Word of God. He is a sign — he is the Way, the Truth and the Life.

    Even though this flesh of ours is passing away, like so much grass growing in the field, we are born anew in Jesus to the life he now lives. We now live that life — and we have evidence in the changed hearts in the city of Nineveh — that our life is in the hand of God.

    “Having purified your souls by your obedience to the truth for a sincere brotherly love, love one another earnestly from a pure heart, since you have been born again, not of perishable seed but of imperishable, through the living and abiding word of God” (1 Peter 1:22-23)

    Jonah’s obedience was not easy for him — but he followed through, standing in place for God and bringing the life-giving word to an undeserving people. By that word, they received God’s mercy. That is the Way of Jesus. He is the sign of abundant life, the ultimate Good News!


  32. bubbles says:

    This is off topic. However it was interesting.
    Yesterday I saw a documentary from the public TV station. A British woman who could read cuneiform writing had a theory that the hanging gardens of Babylon were not in Babylon but in Nineveh. She traveled close to Nineveh and sent local camera men into this place itself because of the danger for those from the west. Parts of the palace are still there. This king had made an aqueduct that was 60 miles long that brought water into the city and used Archimedes screws 500 years before Archimedes did. Parts of the aqueduct are still there. Amazing and interesting show. I did not realize that Nineveh was as huge and complicated as it was shown on this show.

  33. poohpity says:

    Not only did all the people of Nineveh turn towards God but the sailors did too! To me looking a even the rebellion in Jonah God used it to open people’s eyes and hearts to the Lord.

    Mart, I agree there was no coercion on Jonah’s part. He did not have to even repeat what God had said about the evil or sin in Nineveh only that it would be destroyed. A question I asked myself was how much foreknowledge did they have about God? It must have been a significant amount because they were quick to turn to Him. The stories were spread by mouth to all the surrounding nations and I wonder if they just felt that God’s Word/Message was for only Israel?

  34. bubbles says:

    The residents of Jericho knew of the God of Israel because Rahab said they (Jericho) heard about God parting the Red Sea and they were frightened when they heard of Israel. If Jericho knew about God, perhaps the people of Nineveh had heard of Him also?

  35. SFDBWV says:

    A couple weeks ago we here in the USA had a *National Day of Prayer* in recognition of a need to seek God as a nation and repent as a people. Not necessarily individually.

    The story of Nineveh has a relative story in the story of Sodom and Gomorrah (Genesis 18:16-33 and Genesis 19:1-38).

    Whereas it is not written that God sent a warning to either Sodom or Gomorrah Lot was a resident of Sodom which leads one to wonder if Lot ever shared what he knew of God from his relationship with Abraham.

    God had already sent His angels on their way to destroy these evil places when Abraham asks of mercy for the cities if even one righteous man could be found.

    God agreed the cities would be spared for the sake of just one righteous man, apparently none were found, not even Lot, but Lot was rescued out of Sodom before its destruction.

    Nineveh repented and so was spared for a season, but its destruction came after generations of its inhabitants once again turned their backs on God.

    There was also a little city nearby to Sodom which Lot begged the angels to let him go there instead of the mountains where they had told him to flee. The angels agreed and so the little city Zoar was also spared destruction. Even though Lot changed his mind and went to the mountains after all and hid in a cave with his daughters.

    Here in the stories of the destruction of these cities are clues and hints for us today.

    If we repent as a nation as a people we can expect to be spared, or removed from amongst the nations or people and rescued from the coming destruction.

    28 degrees this morning and frost on the Lilacs, some things for now, remain the same. This is what is to be expected when the Lord returns, things will seem quite normal in our day to day activities and then…boom…in the twinkling of an eye everything changes.


  36. remarutho says:

    Good Morning All —

    It seems to me, Steve, that Jesus spoke of the coming of the Day — Matt 24:36, 37,38, 39. He continues: “Therefore you also must be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an unexpected hour.” (v 44)

    For my part, I perceive that the body of Christ — individually and corporately — are placed here to be a non-anxious and welcoming influence for the persons around us who are thirsty for the Living Water. We have been entrusted with the Word of Truth — not as a weapon (as I think others here have said), but as the Bread of Life for the world.


  37. SFDBWV says:

    Yes Maru we are intended to be a *light* in a dark world and that light is to show the way to salvation instead of destruction.

    Be it also remembered that none of us individually lead the way for every lost soul, but each of us have a part in the process and sometimes the process includes warning people of the coming destruction, which is exactly what Jonah was sent to do for Nineveh.

    Some of us in the *Body of Christ* are empowered to do only that, while others are empowered differently in order to reach the hearts of different individuals in adherence to the Holy Spirit’s knowledge of awakening into that one soul their need for Christ.

    Our individuality in the process meant to be an influence in the various individuality of those who are lost.


  38. foreverblessed says:

    Thanks Steve, for bringing up the mining accident in Turkey, it has been in the news here ever since it happened, may 13, as there live many turkish people here in Europe too, also in Germany. It is a great tragedy, so many vicitms as the accident happened during a shift change. And the turkish people are at a loss at the moment, they are getting really angry at the government, because they blame them for the unsafe mines.

    Lets pray for all these people, praying for them is more my calling, asking God for mercy for all the ones that are still at a loss. Like: “God, You knew how to get to my heart, a heart that says: I need a Savior, thanks for giving Jesus Christ, the living Bread from heaven. If you can draw me to You, so You can anyone else.”

    Abraham pleaded for Sodom and Gomorrah, Steve as you may have forgotten, Abraham hardly dared to plead, he kept asking, but he stopped at asking for 10 righteous people. I often wondered, could Abraham have gone on, till he asked for just 1 righteous person?
    Could Jonah not have reacted as Abraham? On the other hand, the Assyrians were a violent people, something like the Nazis were. Would I have pleaded for their lives, just after WW II?

  39. oneg2dblu says:

    After reading Steve’s comments, that you Steve.
    He brings to light that we are all called to something and some are called to bring the warnings.
    In the list of gifts which everyone of us already have at least one and many have multiple gifts as well, according to the word, the gift of prophesy still exists.
    To me, many of the prophets used by God issued warnings, warnings that were hard to issue, and that the intended did not always want to hear…or accept, but at least they were warned.
    Jonah was such and the people profited greatly from it, they repented.
    Although history show us every time God gave Israel, or others another chance they took it, but soon went back to their old ways and many paid the price for doing so.

  40. oneg2dblu says:

    thank you Steve :0

  41. oneg2dblu says:

    Where do we draw the line between asking and pleading?

    Was the neighbor who one evening kept knocking for his friend to give him bread for his guests, asking or pleading, or relentless?

    Even a little drip when well placed and repetitive can drive one to insanity, as we know that the next one will come and it won’t be the last one either, and in that reality there is no peace or rest until something changes.


  42. remarutho says:

    Good Morning BTA Faithful —

    As Jesus clearly said:

    “But the exact day and hour? No one knows that, not even heaven’s angels, not even the Son. Only the Father knows.

    “The Arrival of the Son of Man will take place in times like Noah’s. Before the great flood everyone was carrying on as usual, having a good time right up to the day Noah boarded the ark. They knew nothing—until the flood hit and swept everything away.

    “The Son of Man’s Arrival will be like that: Two men will be working in the field—one will be taken, one left behind; two women will be grinding at the mill—one will be taken, one left behind. So stay awake, alert. You have no idea what day your Master will show up. But you do know this: You know that if the homeowner had known what time of night the burglar would arrive, he would have been there with his dogs to prevent the break-in. Be vigilant just like that. You have no idea when the Son of Man is going to show up.” Matt 24:36 ff)

    So, each one is entrusted with the word of truth. The warning is in the mouth of Jesus — without addition or subtraction. Jonah gave the 40-day warning God spoke and commanded him to preach!


  43. poohpity says:

    Reading Jonah in light of knowing Jesus or reading Genesis in light of knowing Jesus it changes our perception of the Story. Looking at the written word of God with the Spirit of one born again changes everything. We can see God’s right, just judgements with His mercy and grace.

  44. poohpity says:

    We can trust everything God does as just, fair, good and the best for all involved however when we insert human logic or reasoning we talk from a very tiny microscopic, myopic view.

  45. Artle says:

    It seems to me, we don’t have the capability of talking outside of a microscopic, myopic view. We have a very limited understanding of the world as God knows it.

    If we were ever able to add all the knowledge of man together, we would still only have a thimble full compared to the universe of God’s knowledge.

    We can drip on each other, or rail on each other or whatever term on each other or we can just compare notes, while we trust God to be faithful to His word.

    There is a great deal more that we do not know; that no one knows, than what we do know; what everyone together does know.

    Hence the need to trust and have faith and believe is much greater than the need to know.

    That’s my drip for the day. :-)

  46. poohpity says:

    Anyone has the capabilities to talk out of that type of view and they do far to often that is the sad part. Can you imagine not wanting to share something from God because people will turn to Him? Isn’t that what the great commission is?

    I was sharing the “Good News” with a man sitting in the doctors office. He asked me if God would be willing to forgive Hitler and I said yes. His reply to that was if God would forgive someone like Hitler he sure would not want to know a God like that. Sometimes I get so confused at the rational of some people.

  47. oneg2dblu says:

    Perhaps God has challenged us all today, to be more than a drip or dribble, to become as fountains, overflowing.

    For if that were really all we are, a drip, then he would certainly prune us to be more.

    Here’s another word from the mouth of Jesus…

    John 15:2 NIV
    “He cuts off every branch in me that bears no fruit, while every branch that does bear fruit he prunes so that it will be even more fruitful.”

    Who is speaking hear in this verse about branches that are in me?

    Who is doing the cutting off of those who are said to be in me, or in Chris if you will, but yet they are not fruitful?

    If God is faithful to His Word, which of course He must be, then those who are not fruitful will be cut off.

    Is that railing or dripping on others here, or is it overflowing and sharing the actual warning in the word, as spoken by the mouth of Christ?

    Yes, we must bear fruit or be cut off.

    Keep the faith and believe and trust that God will do what He says He will do.

  48. oneg2dblu says:

    Who is speaking here…

  49. quietgrace says:

    Gary, you said, “Yes, we must bear fruit or be cut off”
    I would like to interject and restate your statement.

    Jesus said those in Him WILL bear fruit. Those not in Him will be cut off. (Descriptive statement, not prescriptive)
    How He prunes is not up to us. Personally, He prunes me slowly but steadily. Not more than I can bear. And fruit is a long time coming, but it bears a striking resemblance to Jesus.
    blessings, Grace

  50. poohpity says:

    Gary, it would seem the the overflowing would be of grace and mercy not of doom and gloom or accusations against others. Of course we can not overflow of something that is not within us like joy, hope, love and thankfulness. John 15:11 NLT; Romans 15:13 NLT; Phil 1:9 NLT; Col 2:7 NLT

  51. oneg2dblu says:

    Quietgrace… Yes, I did say that, but those were the words of Christ, were they not?

    Pooh… saying we must bear fruit is not a gloom and doom message to me, and always persecuting the messenger is not overflowing with joy, hope, love,and thankfulness either.

    Like I said, some will not tolerate, or want to hear the warnings.

    Jonah knew he had a hard message to deliver, at least they didn’t persecute him.

    Good Bye All…


  52. street says:

    Dear pooh, you are correct that God would forgive him if he repented. God dose not want any to perish. As for the man who could not accept a God like that the proper reply i think is the one who forgives little loves little and the one who is forgive much loves much.

    SFDBWV says:
    May 19, 2014 at 6:45 am God agreed the cities would be spared for the sake of just one righteous man, apparently none were found, not even Lot, but Lot was rescued out of Sodom before its destruction.

    In 2 Peter 2 “6 and if He condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah to destruction by reducing them to ashes, having made them an example to those who would live ungodly lives thereafter; 7 and if He rescued righteous Lot, oppressed by the sensual conduct of unprincipled men 8 (for by what he saw and heard that righteous man, while living among them, felt his righteous soul tormented day after day by their lawless deeds), 9 then the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from [b]temptation, and to keep the unrighteous under punishment for the day of judgment, 10 and especially those who [c]indulge the flesh in its corrupt desires and despise authority.” God calls Lot righteous.

  53. poohpity says:

    Gary who is the messenger that is being persecuted?

    street, my reply was that I find hope in a God that is willing to forgive someone like Hitler.

  54. quietgrace says:

    Gary, what I’m trying to say is that we (the branches) don’t have to work to produce. God does the pruning and he produces the fruit. I hear in your words that we had better work at producing fruit, or we will be cut off. A scary, anxiety producing thought for some. If that’s not what you are saying, forgive me. Please explain?

  55. street says:

    How could God change his mind when the message was so clear—and seemingly unconditional? In forty days God was going to destroy the city (Jonah 3:4). This was the Word of God.

    Is there any evidence that God asked… convinced… or forced Jonah to beg, urge, and plead with the citizens of Nineveh to have a change of heart that would turn them from enemies into friends?

    Yes I struggle with this prophesy just like when jewish king got 15 more years after God said he was on his death bed and was going to die. 2Kings20 I think with Nineveh God is teaching us that repents was His Primary goal with all of us and He cares deeply about us. If he was not going to change His Mind why would he send a prophet and not do the Sodom act again with no warning?

    as for evidence of Jonah’s speaking. You can speak for yourself and you can speak Gods Word. prophets rarely are remembered for speaking for them selves, they get stoned, killed or cut off. Jonahs speech was from God and the people understood that, some how, and they responded positively. Corinthians talks about people coming to faith, by God speaking to them. it can come no other way! Jonah like Balaam had no choice but to speak, but what they were instructed. as i look from the sideline Jonah was not going to help Nineveh from his perspective, he wanted them dead.

  56. foreverblessed says:

    Street, I have the same wondering questions, but what you say: God’s primary goal is that people repent, not that they are destroyed. God did not warn Sodom, BUT He told Abraham in advance what He was going to do, God knew what was in Abraham’s heart, that he would plead for them. And as I have wondered about here before: could Abraham have gone on in asking, for the sake of even 1 righteous man God would spare Sodom and Gomorrah? Would God have listened to that questions as well. But Abraham stopped asking after the 10.

    Quiet, you are so right, it is ” A scary, anxiety producing thought for some.” Indeed, Jesus did say it, but it is in the context as you wrote it, May 19, 3.50 pm. But in Gary’s comment the question is just dry, and is that what Jesus is saying to you now?
    LIke a cleaning lady, is cleaning the house, and the mistress comes in and looks at her, what would you think she will say: if you don’t clean, I will fire you?
    No, that is not like God is, but rather she will compliment her for cleaning, and will look in the corners, and then say: o, did you see this dirt, maybe you could clean that as well? Or she would see the corners were also cleaned, and she would say: well done, very well, I am so happy for all your work!

    We have to check with the Holy Spirit what He is telling us, not what others write here. As I have said before, that I have had so many warnings in my past as a christian too many warnings without the wrap of Grace around it, that I cannot take them anymore, I just skip them, so best to not read the comment. The bible verses in Pooh’s comment are very encouraging, May 19 5.37 pm, thanks Pooh.

  57. foreverblessed says:

    I read the story of Jonah all over again, and it is amazing,for one thing whatever Jonah did, it was God who was the Architect of everything, as someone already said here: the sailors repented, that was already a great work, even in the disobedience of Jonah, some good came out of it. Not that we should disobey, but how amazing is God?!
    Then Jonah had a real repentance moment inside the fish, Jonah 2, so you could say that Jonah was a reborn man, like a born again christian. But there was still many hard parts inside him, and God is working patiently to get him to see that, Jonah 4:10-11

    Street, I do thing that your comment May 16, 1.22 pm. That we are like Jonah, and in our lives learn to see how God sees things, that it is mercy, and grace, even for the most violant. That we do not have the grace ourselves, but have to ask God to make it grow in us. And what would God do? Send us to violant people, and make us learn how to deal with them.
    Jonah was a reborn man,

  58. foreverblessed says:

    and yet Jonah had to learn a lot. Look at Jonah 2:9,
    and God was working that out so that this would really be in the heart of Jonah. That is how God is working with us too, so that, yes in our lives we will show how gracious we are to the unlovable, and maybe even to the most violent of men. Corrie ten Boom had to learn to forgive a nazi man, a man who asked for forgiveness.She look into her own heart and saw there was no forgiveness, then she cried to God: please help me give me forgiveness, and it came when she handed out her hand to the man, not before it, but during. So God was looking for her own initiative as well.

  59. SFDBWV says:

    My point is this; God’s warnings are an invitation to repent.

    Had Sodom and Gomorrah repented their future could have been quite different. The problem for Sodom and Gomorrah was that there was no knowledge of God nor evidence of punishment as seen by the inhabitants of Nineveh.

    Peter called Lot righteous and that’s fine, dig deeper into the story of Lot and you don’t see any too much righteous about his behavior.

    Lot was rescued from Sodom only because Abraham was righteous and it was Abraham’s righteousness that covered Lot not Lot’s.

    Just as it is Jesus’ righteousness that covers us and enables us to be rescued from destruction.


  60. SFDBWV says:

    Foreverblessed, you were correct in correcting my technical error concerning Abraham haggling with the Lord over not destroying Sodom and Gomorrah for the sake there being as few as 10 righteous men found.

    Most all of us who have made a study of this story think that Abraham is concerned only for Lot and God knows this, which is why God has Abraham halt his haggling at the number 10 instead of 1.

    I always relate the story that way and so in order for God to carry out the destruction of these cities, for the sake of Abraham Lot is rescued, but his rescue doesn’t stop the destruction from coming.

    So in my mind had there remained just one righteous man, God would have withheld His wrath, but there were none not even one when destruction came.

    Jonah like many who love the Law wanted to see Nineveh get what was coming to them, but God wanted to show Jonah that compassion and mercy trumps the law as far as He is concerned and as far as He wants us to concern our hearts with as well.

    In a much larger picture we can see the Lord warning of the coming destruction to mankind. We can also understand some among us actually wanting that to occur because of the wickedness of the world, just like Jonah did concerning Nineveh.

    We can also see our Advocate Jesus of Nazareth haggling with the Father to withhold that destruction for the sake of those He is concerned for, just like Abraham.

    And just like the story of Sodom and Gomorrah, after the *righteous* are rescued destruction comes.

    God’s Word is so big and so complex that it can’t be confined to just one line of verse in our understanding of it.

    I apologize if my errors confused or upset any, as my story and point was larger than just what I had said.


  61. cbrown says:

    Mart, must be smiling this morning.Great posts yesterday and today.Praise God!

  62. Artle says:

    Doing that question asking thing mentioned a couple topics back.

    Is it behavior that makes a person righteous? Or is it that they recognize and believe God? In Lot’s case, that he shunned the evil of his surroundings, recognized the angels of the Lord.

    Lot seemed to be a little slow of thought, but he did believe. Should we say his belief was not good enough, or maybe he did not believe enough?

    If we take away Lot’s righteousness, then how do we keep our own that we receive by faith and not by behavior?

    If Lot is righteous because Abraham is righteous, then I can be saved because my uncle is saved????

    To tie this back to the topic, Jonah believed though he did not behave perfectly. Nineveh obviously behaved badly, but did believe at least 120,000 people for a time. Were the sailors spared because they threw Jonah overboard or because they believed?

    Praise the Lord that we do not have to perform up to our expectation of others.

    Believe and be saved.

  63. poohpity says:

    I watched a program regarding the Jewish Rabbi’s searching scripture in this day and time for clues about what the Messiah would be like. Jesus (Word of God) used many of the prophets stories to point to Himself. Jonah being in the belly of a fish for 3 days; Abraham sacrificing his only son; Moses lifting the snake on the pole in the desert; someone ruling forever from the line of King David; Samson sacrificing himself; etc. many before and after. Jesus came to fulfill the law and the prophets. So when we read the OT in light of Jesus we can see Him being revealed throughout the scriptures.

  64. remarutho says:

    Good Morning BTA Friends —

    It seems Paul taught the best rule of thumb when he counseled the church at Rome:

    “Do not repay anyone evil for evil, but take thought for what is noble in the sight of all. If it is possible, so far as it depends on you, live peaceably with all. Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave room for the wrath of God; for it is
    written, ‘Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord.’ No, “if your enemies are hungry, feed them; if they are thirsty, give them something to drink; for by doing this you will heap burning coals on their heads.” Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.”

    It appears Jonah (and we) learn the way to appear before the throne of grace — on our faces before the Ruler of the universe in total humility.

    A non-Biblical rule also might be (for me at least) — “Argument is foolishness.” Better to be silent and be thought a fool, than to argue and remove all doubt.

    Maru :o)

  65. Artle says:

    I’m not picking on Steve. It’s just his mention of Lot reminded me of something I’ve been thinking about for a long time.

    I have heard many a bible lesson talk about the behavior of people in the bible; Abraham, Samson, David, Jacob, Jonah, etc. To me it is no different than talking about the behavior of a friend or neighbor. It is fine to realize that these people fell short, because realizing this helps us to see the value of Grace and what Grace really is to us. But when we step on another because of their behavior, then we are saying Grace is not enough. We are not believing what we say we believe.

    His Grace is sufficient.

    An ounce of belief is worth an eternity of salvation.

  66. SFDBWV says:

    Artle is it your act of accepting Jesus as Lord that saves you or is it Jesus’ sacrifice?

    Once you receive the Holy Spirit does your behavior reflect that, or is your old nature still prevalent in your behavior?

    Are the fruits of the spirit demonstrated in any of Lot’s actions?

    A person is only righteous because Christ is in him, and because Christ is in him he reflects that in his behavior.

    Your behavior reflects your heart.

    I am sorry if you missed my understanding of the relationship and the story of Abraham and Lot as being something more than just an Uncle and nephew, because I see it vastly more than that.


  67. poohpity says:

    How can the fruits of the Spirit be in Lot? Wasn’t he alive before the Spirit was given to those who believe? Abraham was counted righteous because of his “faith” in God. (Genesis 15:6; Ro 4:3; Gal 3:6) As to whether Lot was righteous or not, would it be merely speculation?

  68. poohpity says:

    Steve, what is the vastly more that you see?

  69. poohpity says:

    I can see where it may not be speculation about Lot but the difference in saving a whole city and a family. Lot’s family would have had 6 with the daughters fiances’ but only ended up being 4 well until the wife got turned to a pillar of salt that leaves 3. God saving them must say something. I answered my own question, lol!!

  70. poohpity says:

    What was the question/point anyway? LOL Good grief I am going stir crazy. It is time for a vacation. :-)

  71. Artle says:

    Steve, I started to say that you need to answer your own questions, because I cannot answer them for you. But in the spirit of this questioning to better understand each other in our BTA life, I’ll offer the following in order of paragraph.

    More Jesus’ sacrifice but even my acceptance is by the Grace of God.

    Behavior is irrelevant to Grace.

    Fruits are irrelevant to Grace.

    Behavior is irrelevant to Grace.


    My understanding of your understanding has no bearing on the Grace of God. Either we believe in the Grace of God or we do not. If fruits or behavior or works or anything other than Grace are required for Grace, then Grace is no longer Grace. Do people change under the Grace of God? Yes. Is the change required for the Grace to remain? No, because then it would be reward and not Grace.

    We people seem to have a very difficult time understanding the Grace of God as we continually place contingencies on God providing His Grace to us. The contingencies prevent our belief from accepting the full presence of His Grace. Do we believe that God will give us something that we do not deserve and then take it away because we do not deserve it?

    In closing, I don’t necessarily disagree with anything that anyone says, but just try to shine a light on some things perhaps not seen by a few or by many. If anyone chooses not to look at what the light shines on, that is a choice they have the right to make.

    And His disciples asked Him, “Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he would be born blind?” Jesus answered, “It was neither that this man sinned, nor his parents; but it was so that the works (Grace) of God might be displayed in him. John 9:2-3 (NASB)

    For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; Ephesians 2:8 (NASB)

  72. poohpity says:

    Amen Artle, I listened!! The gifts of the Spirit are given by grace; the fruit of the Spirit is by grace; so that no man can boast in them or of them.

  73. quietgrace says:

    Good day all!

    I am reading Hebrews today thinking about the change from Law to Grace and OT to NT. Not much difference, really, except for the physical revelation of the Word of God in the flesh and the fulfillment of the law. Along with I Peter: 22-23 I would like to add Heb.4:14-16 NIV as a reminder that no matter what we or the prophets have gone through Jesus has too. He knows you, and He knows me, intimately. Hallelujah!

  74. cbrown says:

    I agree with what you said Artle but also think that Oswald Chambers devotional today had some good thoughts on how you live abundantly.

  75. cbrown says:

    Mark 14:38
    New American Standard Bible (NASB)
    38 Keep watching and praying that you may not come into temptation; the spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak.”

  76. quietgrace says:

    Hi Chris,
    Mark 14:38 is a wonderful reminder of our vulnerabilities and God’s capabilities.

    Lord Jesus Christ have mercy pretty much covers all our temptations.

    Thank you and bless you, Grace

  77. poohpity says:

    cbrown, who was Jesus talking to in Mark 14:38? Jesus in the flesh was afraid of what was coming, His spirit wanted to do the will of the Father but the upcoming thoughts of what He was about to face made Him face weakness in the flesh. He was in such agony He sweat drops of blood Luke 22:44

  78. poohpity says:

    Applying scripture we must be very careful not to take it out of context because then we “expect” ourselves and others to live out what is not expected from us. Those verses seem to show us the humanity(Son of Man) of Jesus.

  79. poohpity says:

    I should have said, “in Jesus” not “of Jesus”.

  80. Artle says:

    cbrown, is the devotional you refer to, “Taking Possession of Our Own Soul”?

  81. cbrown says:

    Artle, yes. Thanks for the clarification.

  82. Artle says:

    OC said, “The Christian life is one of spiritual courage and determination lived out in our flesh.”

    Where would spiritual courage and determination originate except with God and offered to us through His Grace?

    This question does not take away from what Mr. Chambers said, it just shines the light of Grace on his observation.

    I can do all things through Him who strengthens me. Philippians 4:13 (NASB)

  83. street says:

    quietgrace says:
    May 20, 2014 at 12:08 pm

    Good day all!

    I am reading Hebrews today thinking about the change from Law to Grace and OT to NT. Not much difference, really, except for the physical revelation of the Word of God in the flesh and the fulfillment of the law.

    I think there is a huge difference! The death/resurrection of the Lamb of God, Pentecost, and the complete Word of God in the Bible. I know there is a lot more to come. He promised to make the church His Bride. Something that was hidden for a longtime.

  84. street says:

    I can do all things through Him who strengthens me. Philippians 4:13 (NASB)

    Artle isn’t this verse talking about being able to live though the different circumstances of need/plenty in life?

  85. street says:

    I though I covered the fact that Lot was Righeous in 2Peter 2:6 and if He condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah to destruction by reducing them to ashes, having made them an example to those who would live ungodly lives thereafter; 7 and if He rescued righteous Lot, oppressed by the sensual conduct of unprincipled men 8 (for by what he saw and heard that righteous man, while living among them, felt his righteous soul tormented day after day by their lawless deeds),

    guess people are not paying attention, I am guilty of this too because i see more when I go back and review the post and blogs.

  86. street says:

    Dear quietgrace if I remember right the first chapter of Hebrews says Jesus is the exact and perfect representation of God the Father. Israel and the gentiles reject Him because they did not recognize Him.

  87. quietgrace says:

    Hello street,
    Sorry I should not have included my pitiful summary of what I was reading/thinking about in the letter to the Hebrews. Sometimes I get other books mixed in as I have read/studied for so long the Bible becomes more fluid and less compartmentalized. My point, nonetheless, was that Jesus is our high priest who has faced all the same temptations we do yet without sin, and as a result will find grace and mercy when we need help the most. And Jonah, as well as all the others-as Mart summarized in his post.
    I did actually study Hebrews for 9 weeks in college and it was my favorite class. I’m getting older and my memory is not as good as it once was. This is a good reminder to me to be careful what I say, as I don’t want to mislead anyone. Thanks for catching it!
    Blessings, Grace

  88. Artle says:

    street, In context, Paul was taking his usual position of not needing anyone’s help but appreciating the help received for the benefit of the givers. And he does mention them sharing with him in his affliction.

    I think there is enough applicable truth in the verse that it could stand alone.

    Either way, strength from God is by His Grace, which I think is why the verse came to mind earlier.

  89. SFDBWV says:

    Because I come in here so infrequently I always have to read a lot in order to catch up to where we are as a conversation goes.

    This is a mess.

    Chris you are right sometimes it seems comments aren’t read or at best understood.

    Street you are correct you did quote 2 Peter in declaring Lot to be righteous, but that didn’t settle it in my mind.

    Artle if you had read what I had very early on in this conversation said concerning grace it could have saved you and me a bit of uncomfortable conversation.

    I will bow out of the current thread as I am confused what is being discussed now and disgusted at the way things developed.

    Hoping all have a nice day.


  90. Artle says:

    Steve, I did not know we were having a bit of uncomfortable conversation.

  91. Artle says:

    Steve, I reread your comments and I’m not sure what you said concerning grace that would have made any difference in my comments.

    My 10:23am comment may have been a bit more pointed than I intended and I maybe should have shifted into addressing-the-group mode part way, as I was trying to make a point to one and all.

    To all, the one thing I see as weak in the Christian world is our understanding of Grace. We speak from our own experience, and perhaps due to my own shortcomings, I emphasize this more than necessary. But, when Grace is the single most important ingredient of our faith, how can Grace be emphasized too much?

    There is a reason Paul started his letters with “grace to you” or ended them with “grace be with you”.

    This is my faith and I do not have a need to be right for anyone else. If what I say does not fit your faith, then it does not fit your faith. What does that matter to anyone, except you? So, keep the faith you have, if that is what you want.

    No one will get there by following me, so do not let me dissuade you from your path, but let God lead you.

    Grace be with you all.

  92. quietgrace says:

    Good morning all!

    If we Trust in the Lord with all our hearts, and lean not on our own understanding, seek His will in all we do, He will show us what path to take. Prov. 3:5,6NLT

    Reading further Prov. 3:7NLT goes on to say it isn’t wise to trust in our own wisdom, but to fear the Lord and turn away from evil.

    As I am reminded daily, the most important person I am accountable to is Jesus Christ. And He also reminds me daily to be full of grace in my conversations and actions. A daunting task some days, I admit.

    God’s richest blessings to all through Christ Jesus,

  93. foreverblessed says:

    This morning I submitted a comment, but after submitting appeared this:
    You are posting comments too quickly. Slow down.
    Ha ha, Ok, and it is gone now.
    Anyway, I find it a pitty that Steve backs up, as he was big part in the discussion,
    We reading in the bible that Lot was righteous, and Steve saying: Yes I do read it, but it does not settle in my mind. Great stuff, Steve is reading something, but the literal meaning does not settle down! Congratulation.
    I do believe we have to read and believe with out heart (or mind as Steve calls it, he must mean heart).
    Ask God to clarify it. It is our own walk with God, He can answer our questions, what may be clear to someone else may still be a question for me. God is talking to each one personally, if we dare to come to Him personally. Keep it up Steve!

  94. poohpity says:

    Now matter what little side streets we take as long as they lead us to the Word of God and the blessed assurance that awaits us in Him we seem to be good to go.

    Even though the gate is narrow the path is wide so that we are prevented from slipping. One only finds harm in those that create a path that is so very, very narrow we are sure of failure/falling. (2 Sam 22:37 NLT) When we do, the same God who showed such mercy to His prophet Jonah and the great city of Nineveh bestowed it on us through Christ Jesus our Lord.

    Looking in the OT as the before story that points us to, we find that God has not changed although He does change His mind because He is full of mercy and grace but that does not change who He was, is now and will be forever more slow to anger, patient, full of mercy and grace. For that alone would cause anyone to be full of joy and gratitude then when we are full it will overflow into every area of our lives. We can not give away what we do not possess. If we do not understand the Good News it would lead one to only share bad news. There seems to be so very much bad news out there let us not add to it but show the way to the Word of God.

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