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Rectification of Names

P1020177I found a quote the other day that intrigued me. Attributed to Confucius, it read, “Social disorder often stems from the failure to perceive, understand, and deal with reality. And that social reality is tied up with language.”

Since I was reading words out of context, I did some checking to see if there was evidence that Confucius really said this, and if so, what he meant. What I found is that the quote represents a basic element of Confucian thought called “rectification of names.”

Confucius apparently believed that if names and words correspond to reality, they carry with them a sense of identity and right behavior that is necessary for the cultivation of social order.

The implication seems to be that seeing and calling life as it is—while being able to name objects, people, relationships, and ideas as they really are— is necessary to share the spaces and times of our lives—together.

But what happens when we find ourselves, or those we love, on the wrong side of words—and reality? What happens when  words are used to label us as being part of other people’s problems? What happens when, by the definition of our social order, we are found to be bad, broken, problematic, and no longer useful?

One option is to try to manipulate language to push back against those who view us as being either wrong and out of step with their reality. Words then become both the means of argument and the chosen meanings that we argue about. It’s probably somewhere in the background of the Apostle Paul’s warning to not become embroiled in the kind of disagreements about words that divide and ruin us (2Tim 2:14).

Yet what makes Paul’s approach to words so important is that he was writing to those who were learning to see words and reality in the light of what he called “the word of truth”.

According to another writer by the name of John, this Word— whose name gives meaning to every name (John 1:1-3)— is the One who has come to bring grace and truth (and new social order) to the mess of language and tangled reality in which we find ourselves (Hebrews 1:1-3) (John 1:14-18).

This is the social order of the Word who has come offering a rescue and reality far greater than the recent heroic helicopter rescue of the Izidis (lit. worshipers of God) stranded on Mount Sinjar. This is the Word who urges us to love one another as he he has loved us.

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109 Responses to “Rectification of Names”

  1. SFDBWV says:

    I am reminded of another old saying “A rose by any other name is still a rose.”

    Not sure how to respond to this topic, knowing that by expressing truth it offends.

    I will say that watching the helicopter rescue of those Iraqi’s by Kurdish and Iraqi Air Force personnel brought tears to my eyes and a stirring in my heart for action.

    I will read Mart’s thoughts through a few more times and as the morning progresses see if I can get a feel as how to respond, as time for this is always in competition for many other events in my day.


  2. jam200 says:

    We live in a divided world economically. Few people have what they need to live and most people are poor, unemployed and searching for ways to live and survive. Many of the people who have the means to live comfortably seem to be oblivious to those who struggle to survive. Often representatives of both groups talk past each other.

    Jesus came as the WORD, fulfilling the Old Covenant while establishing a New Covenant. He established a new process to convey the TRUTH, as well.

    * Confess our sin
    * Forgive Others
    * Demonstrate true love to others by seeing their worth
    * Share God’s love for them
    * Disciple them through relationship
    * Teach them to share the same process with others

    When we do this, we love GOD and we love our neighbor.

  3. SFDBWV says:

    In this Confucius confusing conversation, I find myself straining to keep the concept of “social order” restrained to what I believe to be restricted to conversation between peoples. At best that is what I understand Mart to be expressing here. As “cultivating social order” has a much broader meaning and subject material.

    I am stuck on the 5th paragraph where by Mart has ask the questions of what happens when we find ourselves on the *wrong* side of “words” or “reality”; when words are used to label us as being part of another’s problem and what happens when we are found to be bad, broken, problematic and no longer useful?

    My first thought is *who* has determined if we are on the wrong side of words? And reality; wow who has set this norm and standard as to what is considered *real* and *unreal* in conversation?

    Still speaking of conversation and what I guess are social rules of behavior; who decides when we are bad, broken and no longer of use?

    Is it the community involved in the conversation or are we speaking of society at large?

    I know from first hand as do most of us that it is very difficult to express yourself in words and that expression of what you feel and understand to be absolutely communicated to another.

    More often only a part of what is intended to be said gets understood. As the listener too often only hears what they want to or sometimes feels they need to.

    How to fix this problem is as much a problem as the problem.

    One either says less or says more to be understood and when speaking to more than one other person the problem is multiplied by the number of listeners, or readers.

    I am certain this is one reason Jesus used story examples to try and be understood, but even He was and is misunderstood, I am certain, by what it was He wanted known.

    You know how too much input will often slow down your computer? Well a person’s mind is a lot like that as well and sometimes when too much confusion will crash a computer, it can also cause “brain freeze” in a person to the point they just can’t understand and protect itself by not trying to.

    58 degrees and rain, is this August or October?


  4. quietgrace says:

    Good morning all!

    Steve I too was moved when I watched the helicopter rescue on tv. Then, thinking of the tens of thousands that are still struggling below the task seemed more daunting. How to ‘rescue’ people who are being oppressed? It puts some of our petty arguments about theology/semantics/bible interpretation in perspective here, doesn’t it? The gospel really is quite simple, as is the process of loving God and neighbor as you, Jam, pointed out.

    Let us all once again as it is a new day, ‘fix our eyes on Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith’ Heb.12:2 and each ‘work out our own salvation’ Phil.2:12 ‘with fear and trembling’.

    I thank God for love and mercies that are new every morning, Lam.2:22-23

  5. foreverblessed says:

    Words give meaning, but the biggest Word has the biggest say in it all.
    The Word became life, it is That Word that is stronger then all the words spoken against us, or when we are at the wrong side of the word.
    Yes, indeed, the Living Word that gives us Light of life, our Rescue!

  6. quietgrace says:

    Lamentations 3:22,23 is what I was meaning to quote earlier. I didn’t have enough coffee I guess!

  7. hera says:

    Hi all. Hope all are in good health here.
    I read the ‘rectification of names’. Giving proper name to indicate proper function, action related to it so that harmonious social order is achieved thru correct perception, understanding, dealing with reality.. If I am not mistaken it used to be just handicapped, retarded etc, then it was added with the word ‘challenged’ at the end, then ‘different ability’…do we perceive it and then respond diffrently each time a new word/term is coined? Language is dynamic and ‘alive’, usually there is a new word/term/jargon every now and then, but do we change our perception and actions thus, also, our social order because of it? My guess is, not significantly….there is nothing new under the sun, or…that is not so? I have a sort of problem ‘visualizing’ the Word as written the quoted Hebrew above…..I always try to visualize things to have a better understanding, but I suppose Faith is not really something I can visualize anyway, or is there a way to visualize Faith..?
    Blessings – may God grant the ‘correct’ perceptions on things to us all.

  8. street says:

    is the One who has come to bring grace and truth (and new social order) to the mess of language and tangled reality in which we find ourselves

    so many world orders to keep track of.

    i find it ironic that this new world order is trying to push God out of everything. how great a darkness this is!

    new social order is here and now, in God’s Kingdom. we wait patiently for His return.

    this social order, culture, i live in is at war with God’s Kingdom and i can see why He is going to annihilate it. He has been doing it with death since Eden.

    i do believe it is important to understand culture, but you can not do that without knowing reality or truth. when dealing with and individual you are dealing with more than the person. you are dealing with emotion,custom,geography,politics,economics, gender……on and on. no wonder there is so much drama in life! Jesus had no trouble in dealing with drama every day. why are His brothers and sisters struggling with drama? boy am i going to get in trouble for that question!

  9. belleu says:

    I’m not sure I agree with Confucius, mainly because each of us seems to have our own sense of “reality”. Say a person tells someone, “You yell at your children too much. It is bad for them.” But the person says, “No, I don’t yell at them very often, and I have to yell once in awhile to get their attention. It isn’t hurting them.” What’s the reality?

    What is the reality on who owns the Gaza Strip?

    The words we use do matter: “Indians”, “Native Americans”, or “First Nations.” Native Americans are not from India and as far as we know they were the First Nations here in North America. I like it when we change words in order to be more accurate.

    Still, wouldn’t it be nice if there were no words to distinguish ourselves from each other. Wouldn’t it be nice if we were all just called “humans”, nothing else to define us.

    Mart wrote, “…the mess of language and tangled reality…” that the Word of God came to rescue. That is a perfect description of this world. Only God can help us, that’s for sure. My heart just aches when I watch the news, I can’t imagine how God feels.

  10. foreverblessed says:

    Hera, that is what I try to do, every morning, visualize that Jesus is right here with me, I do not see a figure, but in faith I know He is here with me, and real, The first Word in my life, and the last Word in my life.
    All other words are inferior to His Word.
    Bellue, I see what you mean, but in one way I do agree with Confusius: We should call ourselves children of God, and believe it. We are new in Jesus, and that is our new identity. We should believe that word, and live to it. Calling yourself by the reality who you are, we are a new creation in Christ Jesus! And even if we sin, we still are a new creation in Him, we do not fall from that position because of sinning. We repent, and go back to God. But if we do not believe anymore that we are in Him, that He rejects us because we sin, we do not see that we live in Jesus, and that In Jesus we are His. So we abide in Him.

    (I am just thinking about Gary, who would react to this, where is he, does anyone know?)

  11. foreverblessed says:

    Bellue, a good point you bring up, what another says does not have to be the reality. We should do a reality check: does God say the same thing?
    I have to learn to listen to God more then to what others say. A christian lady told her story: God said to her that she was covered with a blanket of His love that was spread over her. But when someone, other christians around would critizise her, she would crawl out of the blanket, and feel scared and lost.
    God showed her the blanket, and quietly siad: come under here and remain there.
    That is in other words:
    abide in My love John 15:9(Darby)

  12. Mart De Haan says:

    belleu, yes, the question is, “who defines reality?” By whose illusion, presumption, power or wisdom are we to define the social order by which we understand and give ourselves?

    If Jesus is the Word that perfectly expresses the Father who is the source of all life, goodness, power, purpose, and happiness, then doesn’t it follow that his upside down and inside out kingdom and culture describe a reality that is far better and more inevitable than we could ever begin to imagine…

  13. shawnkeally says:

    You gotta stand for something, or you will fall for anything.

  14. remarutho says:

    Good Morning BTA Friends —

    My current circumstances are a parable of “word rectification.” My laptop is in the repair shop. Have no word processing program at hand. So, must type right into the comment window, and slowly at that! My android tablet is my word world for another 24 hours give or take.

    Confucius stands in contrast to Lao Tzu, as I understand Chinese thought (not a deep understanding at that). And Jesus overturns both those thinkers’ models.

    Is prayer performed, or done in language? The kingdom of our Creator God is unseen — and is therefore inaccessible to any word but the Word of God. In my view, we must struggle to convey the goodness of God through words — reducing such immensity to an idea — when He is immeasurably more than an idea.


  15. SFDBWV says:

    I am getting a very late start this morning (circumstances) and am trying to grapple with the subject going from *words* to social order and reality.

    Being an electrician I am familiar with a “rectifier” as being a device that changes electrical current from ac to dc (alternating current and direct current). Both are current flow (the movement of electrons) yet moved along in a different pattern for the same result, the deliverance of energy.

    To rectify a “word” is to amend it or set it straight or correct it. To, I would suppose, see that it delivers its true and proper meaning.

    Here is where reality comes in. Not to be more confusing, but most of us should understand that reality is a relative term.

    Many people and especially of different backgrounds and cultures have a different *view* of reality. Even circumstances can change ones view as life moves along. Time even being relative as well as what we perceive to be real.

    Most of us can touch a marble table top and believe it to be a solid slab of material, that seems to be the truth and an example of reality, yet a closer look and we learn that that marble slab is made up of tiny bits of material called atoms that have nothing between them as they remain suspended together to form the marble. Some common gravitational force holding them together yet in terms of distance they are far from each other and so what we thought to be a solid isn’t solid at all.

    Time and the speed of light seem to be something we base reality on yet both are under the influences of gravity and forces we strain to understand.

    When we look for absolute truth we are bound to seeing it with a plethora of circumstances that cause us all to see it differently at different times.

    Paul said we now see life darkly, but one day will see clearly.

    That is a promise that everything will be rectified so as to being seen in its proper place and truth.

    Our faith in God and especially in Jesus as the Messiah is no different as we for now all see reality from our own personal views and understand words to support that reality.

    Our *hope* to rectify all of the confusion and disagreements relating to understanding our place in the world and relationships with God are all placed on and in the Son of God Jesus of Nazareth who came to *begin* to explain God and restore mankind to his proper fellowship with his Creator.

    Looking for common ground? Then just believe this, that Jesus is who He claims to be and trust Him.


  16. quietgrace says:

    Good morning friends,

    I am so enjoying reading all your posts this morning.

    Thinking more about the reality of this world vs the Kingdom of God reality what comes to mind is the sermon on the mount in Matthew 5. While there are no qualifications given according to race, gender, culture, social or economic status, we find ourselves scratching our heads at times wondering how that all works out, don’t we? The KoG is so counter to every culture, thought, and type of ‘spirituality’ out there. Yet at the same time it embraces every culture, ways of thinking and expressing faith. As Mart just said, “his upside down and inside out kingdom and culture describe a reality that is far better and more inevitable than we could ever begin to imagine…”.

    And, I think of the process of Christ bringing me ever closer and closer into His ways of thinking and doing what He tells me to do. Sometimes I succeed, often I fail. So with so many of us limping, trying, followers what must we look like to the world? But there is always that ‘something’, that ‘Someone’ that sets us apart from the world, Jesus, the hope of the world.

    The Lord said to me earlier, “What you condemn in others, you condemn in yourself.” I will be thinking about that all day. And praying for Gods help to see the world/others as He sees them.

  17. poohpity says:

    The words that label us as being part of other people’s problems is most often found in blame. “You made me angry” as if we have no control whether we are angry or not. The mistaken reality of it being someone else’s fault we are as we are. In blaming one never accepts personal responsibility and misses the opportunity to lay it before the Father for change.

    Labeling people(name calling) which is so easy to do when we interject our reality, perceptions or opinions of others it may not be true but one feels they have that right to be judge and jury. The one thing they miss so often is the heart and knowing that people are the way they are from circumstance in life and all people need the love of God and when we have received that love it comes overflowing out of us to others, a well that never runs dry. If it has run dry that may mean we have walked away from the source.

    When we begin to see others and ourselves in the light of what the Potter says, we can leave the change up to Him and consider we all need, time and again, to be placed on the Potters wheel. Rectification of Names from sinner to saint is only done through believing in the work done by Jesus for all peoples.

    Reality by the Lord’s standards is admitting we all sin and fall short of the glory of God. No one is any better or worse than any other and if that is our reality than our words will reflect what we believe in our hearts.

  18. street says:

    Confucius = confusion

    a little 21 century graffiti

  19. s2inkzoo says:

    What a timely post. I have just been reading Don Quixote. Just because he called thing by another name or saw them differently did not change the reality. In fact it caused confusion and chaos. If Jesus is the Truth, then anytime we alter our lives from his “upside down and inside out” version of reality,. then our lives become more in chaos. And so does a society that tries to redefine reality to something else. I John 1:8 even says we can deceive ourselves if we call ourselves without sin.

  20. street says:

    i can see where words discribing our physical universe or the five senses can give identity or clarification of reality,but when it comes to abstract or the spirit of man i think it breaks down rather quickly.

  21. foreverblessed says:

    Quiet you wrote “What you condemn in others you condemn in yourself”
    That is:
    casting pearls before the swine.
    Joyce Meyer talked about it in her book: the battlefield of the mind: It is when we can do something good, but we don’t, Instead, we judge another person harshly. The evil does like it when we do that, that is pearls for them. They turn and devour us, do the same thing to us as what we had judged the other with.
    I never knew this interpretation of pearls before the swines.
    As soon as we repent of it, say sorry, the hold of evil is gone.
    God can show what is wrong in my heart, where I have judged another harshly.
    1 Cor 4:4-5 is there again,
    “Therefore don’t judge anything prematurely, before the Lord comes, who will both bring to light what is hidden in darkness and reveal the intentions of the hearts. And then praise will come to each one from God.”
    God can show the hidden things in my heart, He longs to do that, so that He can praise me! God praises us, think of it! Such deep knowledge, so different from our human tendencies.

    It is in the middle of the night over here, just past 3 am, I was awake, and have been praying for a long time, for the areas where there is war, mostly for the Ukraine, as we have had so much information about the situation. The airplane is still laying there, not much is done anymore. I pray that God will touch everyone’s heart, and shine with His light in their hearts, when the best moment is there, God knows when that is so. That God blesses that country, pour His Spirit of peace and of Love over it.
    May God also bless Russia with that same Spirit of love and peace.
    Lets not condemn all these fighting factions, lets pray for them!
    Lets not condemn the social order in our own countries, lets pray for them. May God bless us all.

  22. foreverblessed says:

    The reality is that Jesus has overcome the world. John 16:33
    In Him we can have peace.

  23. poohpity says:

    s2inkzoo, that self deception of reality thinking more highly of ourselves than we ought(being without sin) is a social norm looking at the bad, broken, problematic, and no longer useful as throw aways but Jesus found them to be the ones who knew that they needed Him and would build His Kingdom with them. Jesus put the self reliant, self sufficient, self righteous as those that would find it harder to enter His Kingdom not that it was impossible(with God everything is possible) but very hard for them to depend and trust in Him rather than in themselves. (1 Cor 1:27 NIV)

    I am so very grateful for the topsy turvy ways of God.

  24. belleu says:

    Mart, you are right. God defines reality and his is different than ours. His is right. To me, my life is pretty useless and very boring now. No kids or grandkids to raise, no job, no friends – no real life as far as I’m concerned. All I think about is being with Jesus where I’ll finally be happy and my mind at peace. That is my reality.

    I am sure God’s view of my life is totally different. He sees things I can still do for him and others, I guess. I wish that felt like enough for me. It doesn’t. I let my feelings overcome my reality and don’t know how to stop the feelings.

  25. belleu says:

    I like what everyone has to say here about God and reality.

  26. poohpity says:

    belleu, at some time we have to come to a point where we no longer go on “feelings” but on “knowing” the truth. A smile, a touch, a word of comfort are the small things that seem to mean so much to God. Inch by inch it is a cinch. We all are not built to do major things but anything done in the name of Jesus no matter how small we think it is, is something. A prayer offered is a warrior for God.

  27. quietgrace says:

    Forever thank you so much for that info about casting pearls before swine. That really broadens my understanding and opens the door for more grace! One thought I had today about condemning others is that when I get caught up in trying to help someone that only God can help, I get discouraged a bit. Then I was also reminded to be wise about relationships, that I would know them by their fruits. Matthew 7:20 Thank you for taking the time out of your night to share with me about this. I pray God will make up for the sleep you lost, as He usually does with me when I pray through the night. Grace

  28. quietgrace says:

    Belleu have your read “God is Enough”, by Hannah Whitall Smith? I’ve been reading her devotions and really am comforted by her observations. She suffered much through the tragic death of her son then when her husband who had been in ministry with her left the ministry.
    God bless you,

  29. Regina says:

    Good Evening All, :-)
    I sincerely hope that all is well in your lives! I’ve been away for awhile. Had to take care of some work related matters and “cares of this life” issues. Enjoyed reading Mart’s blog topic and all of the comments on Rectification of Names. As I read through all of the topics, I was hoping that it would help me gather some thoughts of what I might add to this very interesting conversation. However nothing came to mind, and I love words. Oh well, maybe something will come to mind before Mart changes the blog. Otherwise, I’ll just patiently wait on the next one.

    Very hot day in Texas (87 degrees F right now)…

    Love to all,

  30. belleu says:

    Thanks Pooh and Grace. I have read one book by Smith but not that one. I will get it. I do need to get my feelings under God’s control. Knowing he is with me each day should be enough.

  31. foreverblessed says:

    Thank you Quietgrace. I believe that God is using that night time for very effectual work: praying for others.
    Only in heaven will we know how effective our prayers have been. Bellue. I pray for you, that you will see how valuable you are for God, and what a great work you will do for Him, hidden work, the work of reconcilation. What Oswald Chambers wrote about, Intercessory prayer.
    It is staying close to Jesus, He will guide us to it. I have been sitting here in my home, and for more then 17 years seeking Jesus only. He alone is enough for me. But in my reality I do have many sideways, being distracted, not seeing the real reality that is in spiritual life with Jesus. As Pooh wrote, His life flowing through us, and overflowing and touching others. It is something the Spirit does in us. But I am falling back in the trap, that I have to do something, and I do it. My self life is so hard to get rid of. I am like Jacob struggling. Thank God, that He calls Himself, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. He is my God, He started the work in me, and He will finish it. He is the Word from the beginning, The Alpha and Omega.

    The book of God is enough is really good, I got it from Peter Wade, his word for today is:
    Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come —
    II Corinthians 5:17.

  32. foreverblessed says:

    Got some revelation to my heart out of that book: Instead of questioning about myself, I should question about God!

    -As long as our attention is turned upon ourselves and our own experiences, just so long is it turned away from the Lord. This is plain common sense. As I have said elsewhere, we can only see the thing we look at, and while we are looking at ourselves, we simply cannot “behold God.” It is not that He hides Himself; He is always there in full view of all who look unto Him; but if we are looking in another direction, we cannot expect to see Him.
        Heretofore, it may be, our eyes have been so fixed upon ourselves that all our interior questioning has been simply and only as regarded our own condition. Is my love for God warm enough? Am I enough in earnest? Are my feeling toward Him what they ought to be? Have I enough zeal? Do I feel my need as I ought? And we have been miserable because we have never been able to answer these questions satisfactorily. Although we do not know it, it has been a mercy we never could answer them satisfactorily, for, if we had, the self in us would have been exalted, and we should have been filled with self-congratulation and pride.
        If we want to see God, our interior questioning must be, not about ourselves, but about Him. How does God feel toward me? Is His love for me warm enough? Has He enough zeal? Does He feel my need deeply enough? Is He sufficiently in earnest? Although these questions may seem irreverent to some, they simply embody the doubts and fears of a great many doubting hearts, and they only need to be asked in order to prove the fact that these doubts and fears are in themselves the real irreverence. We all know what would be the triumphant answers to such questions. No doubts could withstand their testimony; and the soul that asks and answers them honestly will be shut up to a profound and absolute conviction that God is and must be enough.-

  33. remarutho says:

    Good Morning All —

    The Scriptures you cite, Mart, ( Heb 1:1-3 and John 1:14-18) redirect our thinking (and feeling) toward the Source of Life! Just seeing the words, “From his (Jesus’) fullness we all have received grace upon grace.” gives my heart a lift — and my mind that redirection toward heaven you speak of, Foreverblessed!

    The Gospel-writer John offers the thought that places me (and any who are open to it, apparently) in the way of truth: “The law (word) indeed was given through Moses;grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.” (Jesus, the Word made flesh) –John 1:17

    John 1:18 transforms (rectifies?) the very basis of the conversation, as I see it.

    It seems to me these are words to live by, when heart and mind are engaged together.


  34. s2inkzoo says:

    Maru’s post reminded me of the tie of this post — rectifying names, and redirecting our thinking to James Chapter 3 and how he talks about how the tongue can direct our lives. And in the context, the tongue is forming the words we speak. So words spoken that are not in alignment with the reality revealed by the Word, does have consequences as James explains.

    On the other side of the struggle is the perception that some of what is revealed by Jesus as reality is not really the best way for order, happiness and unity. Yet, I ran into Isaiah 55 and Isaiah 55:8-9 is the big set up. But then he goes on to explain that the words are sent down to nurture and help things grow and produce:
    10 “For as the rain and the snow come down from heaven
    and do not return there but water the earth,
    making it bring forth and sprout,
    giving seed to the sower and bread to the eater,
    11 so shall my word be that goes out from my mouth;
    it shall not return to me empty,
    but it shall accomplish that which I purpose,
    and shall succeed in the thing for which I sent it.
    12 “For you shall go out in joy
    and be led forth in peace;
    the mountains and the hills before you
    shall break forth into singing,
    and all the trees of the field shall clap their hands.
    13 Instead of the thorn shall come up the cypress;
    instead of the brier shall come up the myrtle;

  35. quietgrace says:

    Psalm 19:14 comes to mind as I read the encouraging posts of today so far. Yes Forever, God does delight in us as you said early this morning and as I woke with that thought it is my prayer to day for all to enjoy and revel in that truth, truth which is not often easy to come by or even hear for some. Grace

  36. poohpity says:

    Another social norm that Jesus turns around is that the more you give away the more you will receive. The more grace, mercy and love you give out the more our cup will overflow. So it would also figure that the more judgement and criticism you hand out the more one will receive. (Luke 6:36-38 NIV)

  37. poohpity says:

    The new social order that is brought to us by Jesus is above cultures, social economic status, gender, nationality, race, sexual identity or any of the other things that we often find that divide peoples. The rejection felt because of alcoholism, homelessness, mental illness that most look down on as undeserving we know that none of us are deserving and can offer our hand in love and acceptance of the person realizing that none of our behaviors are perfect. We look at the person not what they do and Jesus wants all to be part of His Kingdom.

  38. quietgrace says:

    Mart you said, “This is the Word who urges us to love one another as he he has loved us”.

    No qualifiers there according to social/economic status as Pooh just pointed out and as did Jesus to the Pharisees of his time.

  39. poohpity says:

    Acts 20:24 NLT we get so tangled often times in the web of issues in the reality of others our eyes lose sight of what is important. We demand that others live the way we have chosen to live that we are not living what we say we do. Showing grace has taken a hind seat to forcing the moral law and rules that we no longer see the heart of what it is all about.

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  41. street says:

    The kingdom of our Creator God is unseen — and is therefore inaccessible to any word but the Word of God.

    more elaboration John 3:3

  42. street says:

    -As long as our attention is turned upon ourselves and our own experiences, just so long is it turned away from the Lord. This is plain common sense. As I have said elsewhere, we can only see the thing we look at, and while we are looking at ourselves, we simply cannot “behold God.” It is not that He hides Himself; He is always there in full view of all who look unto Him; but if we are looking in another direction, we cannot expect to see Him.

    this reminds me of a question i had of how to get the board out of my eye so i could help with getting the small spec out of my bothers eye. the answer came several days ago! King David had the same problem as we do and the answer i believe is in Psalm 51. the key to the answer is in verse 13 with the word, “then.” all the preceding verses have to come into effect first. depending on God and abiding in Him will bring Glory to Him and my bother. the walking and abiding,sanctification. many times in our walk we are like Moses, Israel, or even David. How Glorious when like Jesus!!!

  43. poohpity says:

    Maybe, street, you might try letting God take the board out of your eye, if you take it out you may hemorrhage. A little Friday humor. Psalms 51:7 NLT

  44. quietgrace says:

    Street I looked at Ps.51:7 -what a process to get to that point! James 3:1 warns about the importance of godliness. It sure gives me greater respect for those willing and able according to God’s standards to teach in the church.

  45. quietgrace says:

    Ps. 51:13 instead of v.7. Time for afternoon coffee!

  46. belleu says:

    As so many of you were saying, I have to learn to look at God; not at my family’s problems or myself and my problems. I don’t know how many times I need to hear this until it becomes the natural thing for me to do. I received so much help from what everyone was writing here. Thanks.

  47. quietgrace says:

    Belleu I don’t know if this helps but in the early 80’s I was diagnosed with an autoimmune disease for which there is no current cure. It took a lot of adjustments to my lifestyle to accommodate it, but after I did, I decided that if I was going to have to live with it then it would just be like a part of me and I could decide how much attention I want to give it. I was able to decide to ‘forget’ about it and I can so long as I live within the parameters of what I am able to do, which means taking care of myself. I’ve gotten better and better about ‘just living with it’ and not paying attention to it. Not talking about it is one of the rules I set up for myself, although I do talk about it on occasion with my best friend. It, being a part of me, is also in God’s hands and I just let it be there-in God’s hands. It’s what I’ve also had to do with family and other problems in my life. I just keep giving them up to God as often as they try to trouble me, and thank God for the opportunity to bring them to such a capable God.

  48. street says:

    s2inkzoo says:
    August 15, 2014 at 7:19 am

    Maru’s post reminded me of the tie of this post — rectifying names, and redirecting our thinking to James Chapter 3 and how he talks about how the tongue can direct our lives. And in the context, the tongue is forming the words we speak. So words spoken that are not in alignment with the reality revealed by the Word, does have consequences as James explains.
    consequences of walking with a limp?

    this tongue started with a thought from the heart that could have resulted from an injury. we are not at liberty to pay back. which brings me to my main thought I learn a few days ago. Marriage is not to make you happy, but to teach you to be Holy!!! everything you do, everything you say, and most importantly everything you think has a direct effect on your spouse. it took along time to find that gem. God wash you with His Word.

  49. street says:

    quietgrace says:
    August 15, 2014 at 3:55 pm

    Proverbs 27:17

    is this why we are hear?

  50. street says:

    poohpity says:
    August 15, 2014 at 3:22 pm

    Maybe, street, you might try letting God take the board out of your eye, if you take it out you may hemorrhage. A little Friday humor. Psalms 51:7 NLT

    taking the board out myself appeals to my pride which needs to die. how wonderful is His Love For me.

  51. quietgrace says:

    Street, Proverbs 27:17 iron sharpens iron speaks of the benefit of close friendships. Close friends provide constructive criticism and accountability. Just as sharpening an iron blade makes it more effective, close friends sharpen our character. Faithlife

    I am very fortunate to have one close friend who blesses me and I her with accountability AND constructive criticism. We all need that!

  52. SFDBWV says:

    Ok I was hoping that perhaps there would be a new subject up, but since there isn’t I will home in on Mart’s last paragraph dealing with the rescue of the Izidis and Jesus’ urging us to love one another.

    There is another recue coming when the Church is removed from the earth so that God’s justice can be pronounced and poured out upon it.

    And the final chapter of His plans for the earth and mankind come to an end.

    When I looked at the anxious and relieved faces of the Izidi’s as they climbed aboard the helicopter, I wondered how our faces may look when our rescue comes?

    Will we be desperately relieved to be rescued or cross as we think “finally, what kept you?” Perhaps unconcerned for all those left behind. Or like the little girl who was crying because she didn’t know where her father was.

    Though Jesus urges us to love one another, I do not think we do.

    I think we say we do, but what we say and what we do are two items most often far apart from one another.

    Watching the news these past several days I was shocked to see scroll along on the bottom of the screen that the Pope had urged the UN to interact militarily in Iraq against the Isis and protect Christians there.

    The next morning I looked all over the news for that story and seen it had been buried.

    People are rioting and looting in Ferguson Mo. Because a police officer shot a suspected robber as he was assaulted doing his job.

    The news is all over Ferguson interviewing anyone wanting to stand in front of a camera and continue to incite civil unrest.

    The President remains on vacation or out fund raising. I wonder if he owns a fiddle?

    Love one another? Hardly.

    In need of rescue? Definitely!

    38 degrees this morning in West Virginia.


  53. remarutho says:

    Good Morning Friends —

    Confucius’ remark about social disorder being caused by failure to correctly perceive and name things is embedded in his ancient culture. Yet, that notion resonates in my thinking — and it seems in the thinking of all here. That ancient Chinese society produced a massive (and corrupt) system and an iron-clad military to enforce the royal will.

    I’m wondering this morning whether we in our day are confronted with the dismantling of massive institutions, such as the healthcare industry, the church, even government. The forum of public discourse is about as far from Confucius’ context as possible. Messages are almost never written down and transported by horseman in our time. There is precious little think-time in communication here and now.

    Just reflecting on order versus chaos in naming things — then going on to act upon our own reasoning and thought.


  54. SFDBWV says:

    Excellent comments Maru. I am certainly in the minority when I say that all of the instant communications of the social media today is not always a good thing. I don’t participate with ‘Facebook” or any of its counterparts, only use email and this blog as any participation in it at all.

    The western world was all *atwitter” (pun intended) when “Arab Spring” began, but I wasn’t as I could see that this was chaotic and riotous and at best open to being used by the enemy of order and responsible people for a darker agenda, I was and am right.

    Kingdoms and empires use might, strength and fear as a way to keep the people in line.

    Have they gotten their blueprint for governing from the Bible?

    People are not *safe* to live in Utopia/Eden as long as the serpent is allowed to be there as well.


  55. poohpity says:

    Mart probably writes when directed my the Holy Spirit and seeing that the point of the topic like normal has only been discussed and understood by a few he may leave it up until we dig a little deeper into the meaning. He may be trying to sharpen our iron.

    Living a disillusioned life like looking at an orange and calling it an apple for so long reality gets distorted. Today it is called denial. The people who are in that distorted reality with us often lay down any attempts to say it is an orange because the commotion does not seem worth the the anger or rejection so they go along. A mask over eyes thinking one is blind when all that is needed to see is to remove the mask. Not being able to hear cause one has ears plugs in thinking they are deaf and all it takes is removing the plugs to hear.

    Reality at first is hard to deal with but knowing the solution is where an understanding of God’s love is manifested. It may take an outside event or person to help us see the orange even after we have called it an apple for so long.(Proverbs 25:12 NLT)

  56. remarutho says:

    Hi Pooh —

    The question you raise relates to Steve’s comments about “going along” with groupthink or holding to well-anchored principles. It seems to me we are called to swim, like the little Christian fish emblem on the tee-shirt, against the huge school of sharks & barracuda. Not always easy — sometimes lonely — but isn’t Jesus calling us to be much more than “nice” people as his disciples?


  57. tracey5tgbtg says:

    Reading Mart’s post and the link, I think of how people are always coming up with what society needs to do in order to be better, in order to be right, in order to be the very best.

    This is a quote from the link to Wikipedia on rectification of names:
    The Rectification of Names means that “things in actual fact should be made to accord with the implications attached to them by names, the prerequisites for correct living and even efficient government and that all classes of society should accord to what they ought to be.”

    This made me think of a concept I got from reading Mere Christianity, that no matter how people try to create a perfect society by using the perfect rules to follow, it will never work, because society is made up of imperfect people. No matter what type of framework we try to create to make everything right, that framework will be filled with people who are fallen.

    We can’t create a means in which to make society, and thus, humanity, the “way they should be.”

    The last line of Mart’s post says, “This is the Word who urges us to love one another as he he has loved us.” This ties in, I think, with this week’s Discover the Word, which I thought was great. The greatest commandment is to love God. The second is to love our neighbor as ourselves

    We could look at society and ask, “are they following these commandments?” And of course, the answer is no.

    But it is better to look at ourselves and ask, “am I following these commandments with all my heart and soul and strength?” And the answer in regards to our own individual heart is no.

    Prone to wander, Lord, I feel it,
    prone to leave the God I love;
    here’s my heart, O take and seal it,
    seal it for thy courts above

  58. quietgrace says:

    Just look at what’s happening in MO and we can see how easily society breaks down and will even implode on itself if the conditions are right.

    But even though through 2,000 years Christianity has had its up and downs, (remembering the embarrasment of the Crusades and the various failures within the papacy and other Christian organizations through the ages) our King still stands firm as the true and living Word who keeps multiplying and regenerating people. His message of loving God and loving others is the eternal glue that keeps it going.

    So thankful to be a part of His kingdom while on earth and for the myriad followers I can call brother and sister.

  59. poohpity says:

    tracey, I enjoyed the program this week too. Yes looking within and seeing how we are doing in the greatest commandment is probably the reality hardest to look at. Can you imagine what our society especially in Christian circles would be like if we just did that? Talk about a reality check and a far better understanding of grace.

  60. quietgrace says:

    When we are secure in God’s love, Romans 8:31-39, then we can truly love one another.

  61. belleu says:

    Grace, I like how you have dealt with your illness. It is true that the more we talk about our problems the larger they seem. I never used to talk with my family about my depressions unless it was necessary, but I did share some things with my daughter and mother lately about how bad I felt. That was a mistake. All I did was make them feel bad or upset with how they thought I was, or was not, dealing with it. It is best to talk with God alone and a counselor if you can.

    I once read in a book, “If you want faith, talk faith.” I thought that was good advice. If we look at Jesus and talk about him then that can only make us feel better. Sometimes I think we shouldn’t even talk about how bad the world is as it only discourages us. Philippians 4:8 I sometimes do it, but I don’t think it is a good idea.

  62. quietgrace says:

    Belleu you are in my prayers and I appreciate the reminder in Philippians 4:8 as I memorized it many years ago and used it to get through some bad times. Positivity is a real catalyst for hope.

  63. poohpity says:

    Jesus is the real catalyst for hope. It is who we believe in that changes how we think.

  64. quietgrace says:

    Yes! And the scriptures tell us how God thinks!

  65. street says:

    hera says:
    August 13, 2014 at 9:51 pm

    Hi all. Hope all are in good health here.
    I read the ‘rectification of names’. Giving proper name to indicate proper function, action related to it so that harmonious social order is achieved thru correct perception, understanding, dealing with reality.

    a rose by any other name is still a rose….well said.

    function and purpose are the stumbling blocks we lay before ourselves and others. when the child shows up so does Jesus.

  66. street says:

    thinking about the board in my eye again…

    It talks about doing surgery on the eye. we use our eyes to direct ourselves and avoid dangers. the eyes can not work if there is a board in the way and we will fall into a pit. now what if there was no light and the eye’s are healthy? God is Light and in Him there is no darkness. God’s light speaks directly to our hearts by-passing the board. what are the eyes of our heart “trained” to look at? seek justice, love mercy, walk humble before your God.

  67. quietgrace says:

    where the child shows up, so does Jesus.
    I like that street.

  68. street says:

    People are not *safe* to live in Utopia/Eden as long as the serpent is allowed to be there as well.


    i have to disagree with you on that one Steve. so would Paul in Romans. i think there is enough evil in any one person to destroy all mankind. if it wasn’t for the restrainer, Holy Spirit, we would not be here now.

  69. street says:

    This made me think of a concept I got from reading Mere Christianity, that no matter how people try to create a perfect society by using the perfect rules to follow, it will never work, because society is made up of imperfect people. No matter what type of framework we try to create to make everything right, that framework will be filled with people who are fallen.

    the parable of the wheat and the tares comes to mind. he said Matthew 13:30

  70. belleu says:

    Street, I also believe if it were not for the Holy Spirit holding back the winds of strife we would not be here now. Thank God for his protection. Revelation 7:1

  71. poohpity says:

    Words can bring much damage to the soul of a person. They can break people, manipulate, destroy, curse and most likely they come from the thoughts and reality of broken humanity. We look at people from our lenses. Does it mean what we think is true? Not necessarily. We use words to slander, gossip, divide and demean cause that is what is in our heart.

    When we allow the Word to have His way in our heart, soul and thinking light is brought to each word we say. The reality of God’s love we speak and often we find that we do not need words. Taking time to ask God if it is coming from our own broken heart and thoughts or from His Spirit living within us the words will bring healing, hope, blessing, encouragement, life, grace, mercy and unity.

    Words are precious and should be used with much care. What flows from our heart comes pouring out of our mouths.

  72. poohpity says:

    James 3:9-10 NIV No human being can tame the tongue or change the thinking process behind it. James 3:7-8 NIV A word never spoken can not cause hurt, silence is golden but the true show is when we act in line with our beliefs. Words are deceitful.

  73. foreverblessed says:

    Thanks Tracey for your comment, that made so much sense to me. Looking at society and naming the situation can make me depressed. But as you say, why expect from society a perfect state? Yes Bellue, you are right, it is best for me not to name the state of the world. As I was raised in a church that would name at the beginning of each sermon how bad the world was. It made me depressed. The new life is in Jesus, right where we are, He does not take us out of the world, but He says: Take heart, I have overcome the world. past tense. Done deal.

    CS Lewis in Mere Christianity:
    “His most important point is that Christianity mandates that one “love your neighbor as yourself.” He points out that all persons unconditionally love themselves. Even if one does not like oneself, one would still love oneself. Christians, he writes, must also apply this attitude to others, even if they do not like them. Lewis calls this one of the great secrets: when one acts as if he loves others, he will presently come to love them.”

    Is that not making words real?
    All though it is only with God’s love in us that we can love others.

    The main thing is: God loved us first!
    That is the starting point of our christian life. He showed His love in giving Himself for us, taking upon Himself the pains and sorrows and sin that was ours. His work is finished. We live in His finished work.
    “I have overcome the world”
    These words came to me lately: His work is finished!
    How can that be, while I am still being made holy.
    (Thanks Street for this wisdom: marriage is not to make you happy, but to make you holy)
    We are made holy, so we are work in progress, still God calls His work: finished.
    I pray that God will give me more faith to believe Him.
    We live in the New Covenant: God is doing His part, and He sees to it that we do our part, if we only live in faith in Him.
    It is finished…

  74. quietgrace says:

    Good day all! Hope all are blessed and wrapped in Gods loving arms today.

    Mart you said, But what happens when we find ourselves, or those we love, on the wrong side of words—and reality? What happens when words are used to label us as being part of other people’s problems? What happens when, by the definition of our social order, we are found to be bad, broken, problematic, and no longer useful?

    In A Year with C.S. Lewis he said, “If they are wrong they need your prayers all the more; and if they are your enemies, then you are under orders to pray for them.”

  75. foreverblessed says:

    Wow, thanks Grace for pointing to praying for others. “that we are under orders to pray for our enemies”! That reminds me to pray for the ones who shot that airplane in the Ukraine once more. I pray that God will work in their hearts, give His Spirit of Love and Peace on them.

  76. foreverblessed says:

    With the right naming of reality, we have a fundamental part of being a christian, living in faith in Jesus. We live in faith, that means that we do not see it in the physical yet, it is a spiritual reality. If it would be a reality in the natrual world, we would not need the faith, it is already visible. But hwat we do not see, but what we hope for, that makes it real for us in the spirit world. Hebrews 11:1(NIV)
    Renaming our circumstances is vital in our lives: if we are dreary, we speak: my God is mighty.
    If we are sick, we say: God is our Healer. If we feel beaten by circumstances, we say: God is victorious in Christ Jesus. And not only saying so, but believing it in faith. God help us to give us more faith.
    Luke 16:16(KJV) we use force to enter in, this verse is not necessarily negative , it says we use force to enter it: Rename our reality, and believe it in faith.

  77. street says:

    Dear foreverblessed i don’t think we force our way into a Kingdom that has been freely given to us. I think Jesus was referring to the pharacies forcing people live like them and not the way God had intended them to live.

    now while we live in this Kingdom Jesus said we were not has shrewd as the people who live in the world. i wonder about that shrewdness sometimes. I think being shrewd is commendable, but you can’t use evil to do it or try to out think God.

    I don’t think we need more faith, I think we need more God. He must increase I must decrease.

  78. quietgrace says:

    My Utmost this morning speaks of hindrances to our Christ-awareness and the peace we have been promised. “Self-awareness is the first thing that will upset the completeness of our life in God, and self-awareness continually produces a sense of struggling and turmoil in our lives. Self-awareness is not sin, and it can be produced by nervous emotions or by suddenly being dropped into a totally new set of circumstances. Yet it is never God’s will that we should be anything less than absolutely complete in Him. Anything that disturbs our rest in Him must be rectified at once, and it is not rectified by being ignored but only by coming to Jesus Christ. If we will come to Him, asking Him to produce Christ-awareness in us, He will always do it, until we fully learn to abide in Him”.

  79. Mart De Haan says:

    Am finding the ongoing conversation so good and helpful. Clarifying our relationship to Christ, and his relationship to the Father, is the light and love of the citizenship and family we share… and the process of aligning ourselves personally and together with the reality that has been given to us.

  80. remarutho says:

    Good Morning BTA Friends —

    Been having hardware issues over here. Great to catch up with posts in the meantime! Thanks for the Oswald Chambers quote, Grace.

    Makes me wonder at the lives of some saints, like Oswald Chambers — brief, intense and fervently on fire for Jesus. I think also of Blaise Pascal and Therese of Lisieux. It seems the focus of each one was intensely upon Jesus at all times. They have shown subsequent generations a white-hot faith and dependence upon Christ that lifts the Name of God to supreme place in life.

    Am wondering at the many distractions of the 21st c. world that seem to cool that devotion. Perhaps the struggle to focus upon the Word, prayer and worship is the most important struggle of our time.


  81. poohpity says:

    As I read you comment Maru, that song “Turn Your Eyes upon Jesus” came to mind.

    O soul, are you weary and troubled?
    No light in the darkness you see?
    There’s light for a look at the Savior,
    And life more abundant and free!

    Turn your eyes upon Jesus,
    Look full in His wonderful face,
    And the things of earth will grow strangely dim,
    In the light of His glory and grace.

    Through death into life everlasting
    He passed, and we follow Him there;
    O’er us sin no more hath dominion—
    For more than conqu’rors we are!

    His Word shall not fail you—He promised;
    Believe Him, and all will be well:
    Then go to a world that is dying,
    His perfect salvation to tell!

  82. foreverblessed says:

    Beautiful song!
    The verse of the day of Biblegateway so happens to be:
    I keep my eyes always on the Lord. With him at my right hand, I will not be shaken. Psalm 16:8

  83. remarutho says:

    Strong encouragement in these things, Pooh & Forever!

    We are conquerors somehow — yet we do not lift a finger. Most mysterious to me! That old saying, “Glance at the problem and gaze at Jesus,” holds precious truth. And all of this is the stuff of our witness — by which the Lord makes his name known. It is the light of his glory and grace.

    I keep Zechariah 4:6 on a placard right on my dresser: “Not by power nor by might, but by my Spirit says the Lord of hosts.”

    Blessings all day,

  84. poohpity says:

    Another beautiful witness for the Lord are the parents of the photographer who asked all Christians to pray for ISIL the ones who beheaded their son, for mercy and compassion from our Lord. What a testimony!

  85. poohpity says:

    I do not know about others but I get so confused in our country right now when the media says everything is going well in their reality and when I go to the store, the doctor, the pharmacy and the gas station we are paying more and getting less. When so many are without jobs, there is so much tension in the middle east, unrest and turmoil here and the people that run our country tell us that real problems are no more than mere scandals and phoney problems. Their reality and mine seem to be incongruent. I often question my reality. They are supposed to be our leaders wouldn’t they be honest but it seems their words do not match what is really happening. Is it all in my head?

    It is like some who lie so much they begin to believe their own lies and want us to believe them too.

    Confused in Arizona

  86. street says:

    Dear Poo the USA for the most part is at peace as opposed to what happened during World War 2. Men are not at peace with God so there is turmoil. God promised testing and trials and that He would be with us to the end of the age. At that end a permanent physical presents. I guess the best thing i could say is keep your self aware of God’s presents and not to be self aware. When we think of our selves, we begin to stumble or be influenced by things we should not be. Yes we have a responsibility of being/holding others accountable. The way we go about that makes all the difference in the world. Let the Bible be your guide. It takes prayer,study,and practice. We have so many resources available today to understand God Word. Where much is given,much is expected.

  87. poohpity says:

    Dear street, What!!??!! All that because I said our government’s reality or what they say and what we see are 2 different things.

  88. street says:

    Poo was it bad advise?

  89. poohpity says:

    Some of it was.

  90. foreverblessed says:

    This is such a good subject for us christians, “Renaming” and I think that all participators here are long time christians, not new ones.
    When we are new in Christ, the Holy Spirit is comforting a lot. And when we moan about our situation, God tells us, He sees it, and that He knows about it. But when we go further along the line, in following Jesus, then the Holy Spirit starts to say other thing to us:
    Like Jesus, when Peter was walking on the water, Peter looked at the situation, like we do in our circumstances, and they look dim. But Jesus did not say to Peter: O yes, Peter I feel with you, it is really grim here on the waves. Matt 14:31
    When we started out with Jesus, we started to walk on the waters, that is a life in faith.
    With our physical eyes we see the circumstances, our country, yes Pooh it is grim, but Jesus tells us to look to Him, and be saved.
    And looking to Him is called: renaming reality: In Jesus everything is solved, (will be solved), everything is finished. We have to grab that truth and make it real. It is what Paul calls, Work out your own salvation.
    And that is what I meant with: we take the Kingdom of God with force,
    Work it out, God worked it in us, freely it was given to us.
    But it is with our effort: taking all thoughts that come in our minds captive: Is our country is a mess, Jesus is Victorious.
    Besides, we are called to a work of reconciliation, if we see things that are wrong, we pray a prayer for them in faith in God who can work out what we ask Him that is is line with His Kingdom. Like the prayer of these parents who lost a son to barbarians, what a great prayer: God e merciful to them!
    What a great example of renaming, not beinhg blind to reality, but knowing that Jesus can turn everything around, even in the most hardened violent man.
    “All things are yours, whether a grim situation in your country, whether the rain has stopped coming for a long time, or the world, or life or death or the present or the future- all are yours, and you are in Christ, and Christ is in God.” 1 Cor 3:21-22

  91. foreverblessed says:

    All things are yours!
    When I see a wrong thing in another, or in my area, I can pray for the person, or the situation, and God will work on my prayer!
    Yesterday I had a family reunion, and I was discouraged by a difficult family member, I was thinking over the remarks of that person, and felt so saddened. At that moment I had a hard time, because I was looking on the waves, it took a great effort of mine to turn my eyes to Jesus, and start praying prayers for the person, prayers said in love. I needed God’s love, and I am still praying God for sending His love for that person to me, because I don’t have it. Praying for a person you love, is sooo much more effective, then when the prayer is prayed in agitation. Lord give me that love, I need it.
    Luke 16:16, every man presses into it Gods Kingdom, ask seek knock, Matt 7:7-8
    I could think all over and over again about the person, and how terrible the mindset it, or I could start praying a prayer in love.
    Now I found that the Holy Spirit does not stop my thoughts, I have to do it myself, and keep pressing them onto Jesus.
    I do not know how that is with all of you…

  92. cbrown says:

    Good morning! Foreverblessed thank you for that light.Even when I do not write I read the comments daily and am blessed.I hope Mart will allow me to go off topic. I am going to give several “Daily Breads” to some people and I wanted to give them a note to guide them on how to have a “Powerful” daily devotional.I will not have a chance to talk to them personally. Your guidance and prayers would be appreciated.

  93. street says:

    Thank you foreverblessed!

  94. poohpity says:

    It seems nothing will change unless we call things as they are. If someone tells me something is red when it is really blue wanting their reality to mine as well does not work real well in solving the problem. Only when one admits it is blue can change begin. Naming things as they are stops denial. Never said I did not pray for our country or put things in God’s capable hands. I was simply saying our leaders are calling things red when they are blue.

    cbrown, I do not think you can say anything to guide them to have a powerful devotional but just a personal note of how it has touched your life.

  95. poohpity says:

    It seems when one person assumes something how easy it is to follow their conclusion rather than reading what is actually said.

  96. quietgrace says:

    Foreverblessed your words this morning bring life, light, and healing. Pooh as you stated a couple days ago sometimes our words can also hurt. If we look to Jesus, He will teach us the words He wants us to use.

  97. quietgrace says:

    James 3:17 But the wisdom that comes from heaven is first of all pure; then peace-loving, considerate, submissive, full of mercy and good fruit, impartial and sincere. 18 Peacemakers who sow in peace raise a harvest of righteousness.

  98. quietgrace says:

    Father I pray for Chris, that as he goes on this mission of sending your words out into the world that you would quicken hearts and give them eyes to see not only the words but the true Word behind those words. In Jesus, Amen

  99. poohpity says:

    grace, wounds from a sincere friend are better than many kisses from an enemy. (Proverbs 27:6 NLT; Proverbs 28:23 NLT) Sometimes reality hurts but in the end it helps us grow. I would much rather have someone be honest and truthful than to call things that are evil, good.

  100. quietgrace says:

    I would like to share a personal story about words if no one minds….

    This week I had my granddaughter over for the day, 5 years old. And after she arrived she started telling me what her parents told her, “If grandma wants to run to the store and says just stay in the car say no. If grandma takes you to the park and is talking on her phone and a stranger comes up to you run away.” Well, I was outraged as I would never be so negligent with her. I sent her mom a text message saying I would never put her daughter in danger. I was OUTRAGED that they would even think such a thing. Well, I got a text back after a few minutes saying “It’s not about you, we are just trying to prepare her for when she starts kindergarden next week. AND we have been watching too much Forensic Files and Ist 48 on tv and are really scared about what can happen to children”. Her mom even said she was getting too scared to go to Walmart alone late at night anymore.

    We live in a rural area where crime is very low, but my point is that it’s so easy to take others words personally without trying to understand where the other is coming from. Even words that hurt us have a meaning behind them that isn’t always about us. It does take the grace of God to forgive when hurt and discernment to be able to understand where others are coming from. I thank God for His wisdom that got me through what could have been a bad day for all, but turned out to be a great day instead.

  101. quietgrace says:

    Pooh I understand where you are coming from. Personal growth is good, but if our emphasis is on knowing Jesus instead we will have that peace that passes all understanding and it won’t be all about us.

  102. poohpity says:

    grace, forgive me but I do not think you know where I am coming from at all by your response. Do you think that the Lord would have us not grow and how can we say who He will use in the process after all He used a donkey? Growth is a given for anyone in Christ, He never leaves us as He found us and the process will not be finished until the day we see Him face to face. Calling things as they are in our own lives seems to be part of that process and most times because one thinks a certain way they think others do to. That is putting our reality on others rather than seeking the Lord’s reality by learning His truth that is balanced with grace.

  103. quietgrace says:

    Pooh, you are forgiven. We come from different perspectives but the same God. I too apologize for saying I understand where you are coming from. Have a blessed day! Grace

  104. street says:

    parable of Parable of Ten Virgins comes to mind.

    the parable that comes after it is one i have been thinking about what is going on in Missouri. the final verse seems to be playing itself out daily there,”29 “For to everyone who has, more shall be given, and he will have an abundance; but from the one who does not have, even what he does have shall be taken away. 30 Throw out the worthless slave into the outer darkness; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. i know it is off topic , but is it?

  105. quietgrace says:

    Matt. 13:24-30 Parable of the Weeds speaks of the same thing of which I have brought up before on this blog. Meanwhile God always gives enough grace when ours is not enough until that day of Christ’s judgement comes.

  106. quietgrace says:

    Our Daily Bread (audio)today is very good also about dealing with and overcoming evil in an evil-ridden society.

  107. belleu says:

    I tried, but I don’t understand the reference to the parable of the ten virgins or the weeds in connection with what is happening in Missouri.

  108. street says:

    belleu sorry the 10 virgins was a thought that came to mind from earlier post, but the next parable that came after that made me think about what was going on in Missouri. The thing i found interesting was both theses parables close together spoke to me about what seemed to be unrelated events. i don’t think they are unrelated since they follow together about the same teaching. i need more light. maybe better communication skills would help too.

  109. street says:

    poo said,”It seems nothing will change unless we call things as they are. If someone tells me something is red when it is really blue wanting their reality to mine as well does not work real well in solving the problem. ”

    I don’t think the Holy Spirit needs any help in convicting people of sin, but He does need people to reflect the light of God or be salt. Salt in the sense of flavor or preserving power. Not salt in a wound. like “name calling” Jesus gave warnings to the religious leaders and He called them on here hypocrisy several times. His patience and wisdom are divine and backed-up by His love for them.

    Jesus solves all problems! don’t get tangled-up in the other narrative. it is deadly.

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