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The Gift of a New Testament


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In our last conversation, Bill mentioned a book by Gaylord Enns called Love Revolution. I remember reading it some time ago, finding it to be a surprisingly important book, and then forgetting about it.

So went to my shelves this past week, found it, and have been mulling over it ever since.

In this book Enns tells the story of how his life was changed by discovering a basic difference between the Old and New Testaments. While the author builds his case very carefully, here, in his words, is some of what he concluded:

“The two core commandments of the Old Covenant are rooted in my finite ability to love God and my neighbor… In contrast I realized in striking clarity that the two core commandments of the New Covenant are rooted in God’s infinite love for me.” p. 67, Love Revolution.

I think Enns sees an important distinction as he goes on to say:

The foundational and core commandments of the Old Testament are:

(1) To love the God who delivered Israel from Egypt with all of our heart, soul, and strength, and (2) to love our neighbor as ourselves.

The foundational and core commands of the New Testament are:

(1) To believe in Jesus Christ, the Son of God (John 3:16) and then (2) to love one another, as he has loved us (John 13:34)

Both (1John 3:23) show up together time after time in the New Testament.

Building on this distinction,  Enns goes on to show that, according to what Paul calls the law of Christ (Gal 6:2) (Gal 5:14), and what James refers to as the Royal Law (James 2:8) and the Law of Liberty (James 2:12) — by the terms of the New Testament, it is not possible to love God without loving one another (1John 4:19-21).

Having said all of this, looking back from a New Testament point of view it’s clear that no one in either Old or New Testament eras has ever lived apart from the Divine energy and grace of God. Yet there is a stunningly basic and clear distinction between the terms of the Old and New Testaments.

So, I think it’s more than worth thinking together about whether any of us can reasonably presume to live in compliance with the Spirit of God by keeping his commandments—unless by that we mean (by his grace) (1) believing in his Son, and (in his Spirit) (2) slowly learning to love one another as he has so patiently, kindly, and mercifully loved us…


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70 Responses to “The Gift of a New Testament”

  1. SFDBWV says:

    Had gotten up this morning at our usual time and seen the old subject still up with a question ask of me from Gary. Not wanting to quickly answer I went about my duties this morning, including measuring the overnight snow, and trying to encapsulate my thoughts so that when I answered it would best reflect my feelings of the matter.

    Then after looking in again I find Mart’s new subject zeroing in once again on the very basics of what I am trying to say in answer to Gary’s question.

    First off I would like to say that Gary is not solitary nor alone in his efforts to obey the directives of Scripture in living a holy life. So in speaking to his position it is not directed at him so much as a belief system that many have taken up for millennia’s.

    I want also to say that there is a difference, but with strings attached, to the Law of Moses and the commandments of Jesus and *directives* given all throughout the New Testament.

    Because of the late hour for me I will have to take this up later in the morning, but thank you Mart for giving me the opportunity to try and put to words my heart on this subject as it isn’t quite as easy as it may seem.


  2. Bill says:

    Good Morning Everyone!

    I’m looking forward to watching this thread unfold.

    But not going to add to it. I’d rather learn from others posting in reply to Mart’s topic this morning.

    Love to All,


  3. remarutho says:

    Good Morning Mart & Friends —

    The New Testament (New Covenant) is a universe-changing gift! Our salvation is indeed, as you say Mart, the “stunningly basic and clear distinction between the terms of the Old and New Testaments.” We would remain in the darkness if we could manage only “compliance with the Spirit of God,” in my view.

    What a miracle that we are in Christ enfolded into the fellowship of heaven! This is by no means on our own “power” — a capacity that is non-existent. When John 3:16 and John 13:34 are fulfilled by Christ’s work in us, we are transformed far and above anything we could accomplish.

    We might, as we are praying to love as Jesus loves, consider the true character of the church. It seems to me it is not an institution so much as a fellowship brought together by the faithfulness of God alone. We’re not up to the work of unity without God first moving us to that faith — the faith of Jesus.

    Joy at Advent,

  4. foreverblessed says:

    In line with what Maru wrote, is my observation,
    the Old Testament also meant the Old Covenant: it was based on my obedience:
    God said: If you obey Me, then will I bless you.
    And Israel said: All You commanded we will do,
    as Mart wrote in his last topic.

    But Israel could not keep that promise.
    How could God ever have given that commandment, as He knew they would fail? How could that be a good and right Covenant.
    It was initiated so as to prepare us for the greater Covenant: the New Covenant. Jer 31:31-34
    The purpose of the Old was the make us realize, that how much we tried to keep the law, we couldn’t.
    That is also the part of Romans 7, that in despair he exclaimed: I cannot do the good. Rom 7:21-25

    Who will rescue us from this body of death?

    And there comes the answer; Thank God through Jesus Christ!

    Now we are ready for the New Covenant:
    God promises to do His part, and He assures us that we do our part, through the indwelling of the Spirit of Jesus Christ, the Holy Spirit. As long as we have faith in Jesus we are connected to Him, and His Life will flow through us, and will cleans us, change our hearts, and make us holy and pure, and lovely.
    Hebrews 7:18-22

    And the law of Christ is that law of life that is flowing through us.
    As Jesus has done to us, so we do to one another. So it is adement we know what Jesus did for us, and that we extend to others.

    Has Jesus shown grace to us, we show grace to another, has Jesus forgiven us, we forgive others.

    Let that law work in us, let the law itself work it out, just as when you drop something the law of gravity will make it hit the ground, that Law of Jesus will work out if we surrender to Jesus and let go of our own control, our own will our own strength.

    anyway, wanted to add my background: having been a person who always wanted to obey God, and who has taken many commandments literal, (as I still do in the last 6 of the 10 commandments, no adultery, no fornication, no lying no steeling, but now also seeing that in each of them there is also a spiritual dimension, which we will see when we see the law of Jesus working in us, and making things clear, I who never wanted to have illicit sex, God pointed to me that asking love from a fellow human being more than expecting love from God is spiritual Adultery. So who was I, pointing the sin out in others not seeing the beam in my own eye. So it is always best to look for sin in my own heart, tell God: search my heart, my inmost being and see if there is anything wrong, and surely God will show it, but God does not run.)

    Jesus has become the guarantee of a better Covenant Heb 7:22
    It is Jesus that guarantees us that we live in Him, faith in Him is our line of contact with Him
    Sorry for making this so long.

    Do we really listen what the bible says: Jesus has become the guarantee that we live a holy and perfect life in Him?

  5. rokdude5 says:

    For me its still a struggle of harmonizing the command of loving our neighbors found in the New Testaments versus the (near) genocides found in the Old Testaments. Granted there were some horrific acts committed such as offering live babies to Moleck. Is that any different that some of the horrific acts committed now by some sects in the Middle East?

  6. Mart De Haan says:

    rokdude5, am glad you feel free to express a tough question like that here.

    There do seem to be huge polarities between the violence called for by the God of the Old Testament, and the kind of love we find in the New Testament. (While both testaments also describe God as compassionate and a consuming fire.)

    Both testaments claim and confront such awful realism.

    In the Old Testament animals and people die. In the New Testament God dies… so that people and animals (in a renewed and restored creation) can live.

  7. oneg2dblu says:

    Brothers and Sisters… I too am listening, learning, loving, and always looking at all our responses to show that the Gift of the New Testament that lives in us, those who will believe and follow Him.
    Behold, I am at the door knocking, then, he who listens and obeys, opens the door and is the one who eats with the Lord.
    Be Blessed, Gary

  8. poohpity says:

    Gary, does the Lord really say, “Behold, I am at the door knocking, then, he who listens and ‘obeys’, opens the door and is the one who eats with the Lord.” That is the very means that Satan used by twisting, deleting or adding to what was really said. Does it not say, “Behold, I stand at the door and knock; if anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and will dine with him, and he with Me.” You added a little of the thoughts and beliefs of Gary similar to what Satan did in the garden and also in the wilderness temptation of Jesus.

  9. joycemb says:

    Mart I like how you summarized the scriptures. A problem often is as we used to say-‘ripping scripture out of context till it bleeds’. Good reading of the whole word of God is important for understanding the mind and heart of God.

    I believe the law and the commands are meant to guide and instruct. The stated greatest command is to love God and others. Showing respect for ourselves and others is how we love God. The commands/laws showed the Hebrews and now the rest of us how to do that. They are not meant to burden but to make free from a doomed and dying world system of selfishness and dislike/disrespect for the Creator.

    Even if we were to follow the law perfectly we would still die, just as the whole world is dying. And yet Christ would not love us less. Jesus said the first will be last and the last will be first in the Kingdom. Upside down, isn’t it? That’s love! Upside down from the worlds standard of dog-eat-dog.

    That’s my take on things as I see them. I am very teachable though, that’s why I love you guys!


  10. joycemb says:

    Gary I get what you were trying to say- I too often blend scriptures together to make a point. Sometimes we have to read between the lines. We may not all agree, but as was pointed out to me that we don’t all think alike (thanks pooh) so now I keep that in mind and hope my thoughts aren’t misconstrued too badly. Or that I am off-base (Jesus ) with them.

  11. poohpity says:

    It seems to me that God is the same in OT and the NT the contrast comes in how I interpret God in both yet Jesus came to show us that my interpretation was off. Jesus showed us what God is really like. Since the beginning God wanted a relationship with mankind for eternity but the one thing that would cause that not to happen was to eat from the tree of knowledge and then cut immortality off by kicking them out of the garden so they could not eat from the tree of life because if we lived forever doing that which God had said would cause harm to our relationship with Him, to ourselves and to others then humanity was doomed.

    If we look at what history has revealed death is a certainty for our physical bodies no way of getting around it but it seems God knew there was more to the very essence of who we are, our spirit. It no longer seemed to be about death but how we live until this body dies. When I look at what is happening in the middle east I came to have a finite glimpse of some of the reasons why God directed what looks like to me genocide but now seems like mercy if I believe that the actions God has taken were to prevent even worse things from happening until the time when Jesus comes again when evil is completely destroyed. Then the only tree that is needed is the Tree of Life.

    The tree of knowledge of good and evil seems like the OT although interwoven in it all, time and again we see grace and mercy from God. In the NT we see Jesus the Tree of Life. In Him we see the Father who has gone to such great lengths to show us how much we are loved and cherished. That to me is no different in either testament.

  12. poohpity says:

    Joyce, I guess I have never read in scripture that a prerequisite for Jesus to come into our hearts was to obey so blending that with the knock does not seem to blend at all. Actually look at all the religious leaders in the time Jesus walked the earth and thought they were so obedient but in fact did not even recognize who Jesus was as He stood in their midst. When I asked Jesus into my life then desired to follow Him the exact opposite was true from obedience. Listening to His knock, yes but obeying no, that is why I needed Him to forgive me. He knocked on my door because He knew I did not obey. He ate with sinners for that exact reason but those who thought they were obedient shunned everything He offered.

  13. SFDBWV says:

    I would like to start off by saying everything I have to say is simply my opinion and carries with it nothing more or less.

    No one can obtain salvation by keeping the Laws of Moses.

    The Mosaic laws not only include the basic 10 commandments, but include a long list that not only do most not remember, but cannot possibly keep.

    The entire purpose of the OT laws are to show us what sin is and our need for a Savior.

    With the coming of that Savior we enter into a New Covenant as Foreverblessed has said.

    That covenant is that God has provided a scape goat to be punished in our place. “Peace on Earth, Goodwill Toward men”.

    Just like in war, the enemy was defeated and peace was accomplished. In this case we did nothing to accomplish the victory, God did it all.

    We did nothing to obtain salvation and can do nothing to maintain it.

    If it were up to us to have to maintain our salvation we would lose it, but it isn’t up to us, it was accomplished once and for all at the cross by God Himself.

    This is not to say we are not to live a holy life and present a living example in contrast to the world.

    Given from Jesus Himself and through the Holy Spirt all throughout the New Testament we are given a framework and directives as to how to live a God led Jesus inspired holy life. And what to expect for it.

    One thing that comes through loud and clear is that for trying to live that honorable and holy life the world will hate us for it.

    So we must be very careful as professing Christians not to condemn another for believing they need to *obey* God’s desires for them to be as *good* a person as they can.

    This is God’s will for us all; to be as good a person as we can.

    Jesus said if you love God and your neighbor you are following all the “laws” and there is nothing more needed to be done, except to follow Him.

    Just because we know we are going to fail from time to time, should not keep us from striving to be better at living that holy life, nor is our salvation an excuse to purposely violate the basics of loving another.

    If you truly love another, you won’t steal from them, or murder them, lie about them, and so forth.

    There is a judgment seat of Christ that is separate from the judgment of the unsaved and it is there we are judged as to how well we did after our salvation. There being several examples given by Jesus Himself regarding the matter.

    I must always remember that any *power* I have over sin or to be able to accomplish anything for God is only done so by the *power* of Christ that is in me. Never by any strength or action of my own.

    Because of the length of time and the many interruptions I have endured writing this I am sure I have missed several points I wanted to express, if so I may try again tomorrow when I have more time.

    Thank you for your patience.


  14. joycemb says:

    I think Gary is talking about the natural outcome of a relationship with Christ which is obedience which I still strive to do and fail…..this however has nothing to do with salvation that comes through Christ alone.

    I believe you know this, am I right Gary? Or?

  15. joycemb says:

    Steve I believe you are right on!

  16. joycemb says:

    Mart your last paragraph……
    So, I think it’s more than worth thinking together about whether any of us can reasonably presume to live in compliance with the Spirit of God by keeping his commandments—unless by that we mean (by his grace) (1) believing in his Son, and (in his Spirit) (2) slowly learning to love one another as he has so patiently, kindly, and mercifully loved us…

    Makes me wonder if some denominational barriers would fall down if these were the only prerequisites used for becoming part of the family of God.

  17. street says:

    denominational barriers are made by man not God. the idea of a physical practice being a Spiritual equivalent to God’s handwork is demonic.

    communion and baptism.
    Both commanded by Christ for believers. Both symbolize something that happen prior to the physical obedience of the ordnance. the barriers come up by how this is practiced, much like our discussions, formal/casual; orthodox/unorthodox; conservative/liberal. God is not limited by any man. i do understand we become enslaved if we adhere to our own view at the expense of others or God’s Word. which brings us back to love from a humble heart for a Christ at Calvary.

    if you think about the practice of communion there is definitely an element of confession and renewal every time it is practiced. we do need our feet washed on a regular basis, unlike a baptism which is generally done once.

    God bless you in your understanding of His Word.

    i have to admit i need to look closer look at “expense of others” bears all things comes to mind.
    isn’t this faith fun!?

  18. oneg2dblu says:

    pooh… You are correct, I guess I read between the lines like you, and added some words of my own that fit the message I see.

    Sorry, that I used my words in not quoting scripture verbatim. So, as you say, I must be twisting words, just as Satan did in the garden.

    So, at least this time you are not accusing me of being so legalistic, only of being like Satan.

    I trust not all others reading my post will feel so threatened by my using my own words, as you seem to.

    But, don’t quote me on that either. :)

  19. oneg2dblu says:

    Brothers and Sisters… almost every topic discussed here will have some opinion expressed, some scripture expressed, and some truth shared, and some misunderstanding as well.
    But, I know that I know, we all agree on the basics of Salvation, which comes through and by faith in Jesus Christ.
    “Faith comes by hearing and hearing the word of God.”

    If there were another way other than these, we are all blinded from finding another, and can not expect to gain our salvation through any works/religion.

    But, “Faith with out works is dead.”

    Of course, I’ve probably already misquoted, or twisted, someone else’s opinions, but I can only really speak for my personal relationship and experience with Christ and His Word.
    There are rules to the system of salvation, and we don’t get to change them or make others up, if we are truly following Christ, then we are, (like it or not,) subject to obeying the rules, if not, we are following something else, and at our own peril.
    But, don’t quote me on that, as I already know what I wrote, and why I wrote it!
    For Christ,

  20. foreverblessed says:

    Do we live according to the tree of good and evil, or do we eat from the tree of life?
    It is very well possible that as a christian we live according to the tree of good and evil, as we live according to the law of the ten commandment, by a standard of good and evil.
    We are christians, we know that we have been saved by Christ, but in our everyday life we look to the law, the ten commandments for guidance.

    I was a christian like that.
    Till I got wretched, and tired and depressed.
    I missed the real life, the abundant life, the joy. Where was the great peace. Only unrest, as I missed the mark everyday of being a good person.

    It is to my amazement that in the bible it is written: The grace of God teaches us to live holy, righteous lives, to say no to the flesh-life, no to the world. Titus 2:11-15

    I did not get the Gift of the New Testament: the Greatest Gift: Jesus Himself

    He in me and I in Him somewhere in John 15-18

    The greatest gift God has given; the life that is in the Son.

    Everything that I need to be, patience, joy, peace, that is in Jesus Jesus is living in me, He is having these character traits, If I believe He is living in me, then these things are in me too, 1 Cor 1:30

    I still keep the 10 commandments, but they are not my guideline for life. That is the Crux: Jesus is my guideline for life. Who He is, how He is, what He meant to me. He is full of mercy, full of joy, full of peace.
    Do I then break the 10 commandments? No I do not.
    But on the other hand if I keep the 10 commandments do I then miss the whole life of eating of the tree of Life: Yes that is very well possible!

    Jesus did not save us to bring us back under the guideline of the written law!
    No He brings us to close Union with Himself, and let Him IN us be the real life, the tree of life
    Where does it say in the 10 commandments: You shall have great peace, great patience? It does not say so.
    We could very well miss the whole point in keeping the 10 and not being patient with our child.

    And as Mart wrote, it is the love God has showed for me, that is the start of my life, what has God shown me? If I keep the 10 commandments, and ask the Holy Spirit for help, then it is still ME who is doing it.

    Let the Law of Jesus work in you, give yourself over to Him, come to the conclusion that you yourself cannot keep the commandments, not the 10, not the beautitudes, but eat from the tree of Life, eat the bread of Life, live in faith in Jesus and you will not break the law.

  21. poohpity says:

    Oh Gary, I did not accuse you of being Satan. I compared how you used scripture to imply your own meaning. The works of faith from what I understand is doing good and trusting the Lord not following the law. Following the law takes faith out of the whole picture. Abraham did not have the law but was counted righteous because of his faith.

    There are many professional Christians(PC) who do not seem to understand. An example of a PC when going past someone let’s say on the street asking for money and the Lord puts on their heart to give usually the first things they do is go through the thoughts of he/she should have a job or what did he do to be on the street and if I give him money what will he do with it. Now remembering it was the Lord that put it on their heart to give, they may give but they put conditions on it. Now someone who is truly following the Lord if He put it on their heart to give, they just give in the name of Jesus and leave the consequences up to the Lord what the person does with it. Their thoughts are the Lord directed me and I will follow, thinking they may have just entertained an angel. Also that the Lord put them(street person) there just to see if one would listen to the voice of the Lord.

  22. SFDBWV says:

    Jesus said He does everything that pleases God, if we follow Jesus we do everything that pleases God.

    The difference being that Jesus could and we cannot.

    When we become a born again Christian we obey God not because it is required of us, but because it is in our nature to; we not only want to, but we do so without even having to think it through.

    We are to be presented to God as holy, we are holy because we have the Spirit of God dwelling side by side with our own spirits. His Being makes our being both holy and acceptable.

    The evidence of that Holy union is shown in our character and our lives. We are seen as good people, good neighbors and an example of how God wants us to live.

    What is the opposite of good people? What the opposite of doing the will of God? What then is displeasing to God? What are the results of that?

    From the time we get awake until the time we go to sleep again we will interact with others, make choices and steer our life throughout the waking hours. All of our choices will reflect our character, our character will either be Christ-like or worldly. Either in obedience to God’s will or the will of something else.

    You just cannot separate being in compliance with the will of God from being Christian and under the influence and nature of Christ.

    The *law* then becomes written on your heart and a part of your nature. The law being love God and others as defined by what is found written as infractions to that law against God and others in the OT as well lived and exampled by Jesus in the NT.


  23. rokdude5 says:

    Thank you Mart for you accommodation. The best way I could deal with the Old Testaments is the acknowledgment of the Holiness and Justice of God. In the New Testaments show the fulfillment of the Law through the propitiation of Christ. (Praise God about that!)

    Eventually when the End Times arrive, Holy Justice will be completed. In the meantime, its “let Thy will be done” as I wrestle with all this.

  24. poohpity says:

    Gosh, living in this world the only thing that comes naturally is living to please my flesh and ego. I thought it was going to be so easy to follow Jesus boy was I mistaken and a wrestling match to me depicts the struggle. Praise God He gave us a Helper.

  25. oneg2dblu says:

    Oh pooh, you are right again, it seems to me everyone in the garden story and here are twisting their words, not just me.
    Wasn’t God twisting words when he asked where are you, for surely God knew where they were, didn’t He?

    The Serpent was twisting words just to deceive Eve and all man kind.

    Adam and Eve were twisting their words also weren’t they, to escape their guilt?

    I guess word twisting is pretty prevalent through history.

    So, I’m not so special after all.

  26. cas139 says:

    Steve’s statement that we “cannot separate being in compliance with the will of God from being Christian and under the influence and nature of Christ.” was helpful to me as I’ve been thinking about this topic. The gift of the new testament does not stand alone or apart from the old testament. As rokdude5 states, the new testament shows the fulfillment of the law through Christ. Jesus himself said, “Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill” (Matthew 5:17)

    As I was thinking about this I was looking for instances of Jesus telling us to love others as he loves us. I found John 15:12 “This is my commandment: love one another as I love you.” I was struck by the fact that this came immediately after Jesus was speaking of himself as the vine and his Father as the Vine grower (John 15:1) He tells us we are the branches. He tells us in John 15:10 “If you keep my commandments, you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Father’s commandments and remain in his love.”

    Enns wrote that the two love commandments (my words), “the two core commandments of the New Covenant are rooted in God’s infinite love for me.” The word rooted fits with the idea of a vine, rooted in the ground and growing, being pruned, bearing fruit. The vine cannot exist without its rootedness. Yet it is not static; it grows over time. It pulls nourishment from the ground in which it is rooted. It thrives as a result of the care of the grower. It bears more fruit.
    “By this is my Father glorified, that you bear much fruit and become my disciples.” (John 15:8)

    The way I see it, the new covenant is rooted in the old covenant. The new grew from the old…all a part of God’s perfect plan.

  27. foreverblessed says:

    Cas139, what you describe in the above comment is actually the law of Jesus:
    We are connected to God, He gives us from His blessings, and we give that out to others around us

    It is as natural as the law of gravity!
    If we are not connected to God in faith, nothing can flow to us, if we do not give out to others, nothing can flow from us, and there is stagnation.

    What has God given us in Christ?
    That is the thing to meditate upon,
    because that is the thing we give on to others.
    That is the law of Christ!

    As Mart said the Old Covenant was about God telling us to love Him,
    (and He knew we couldn’t, so wasn’t He setting us up? No He was making us ready for accepting that we cannot do anything of ourselves, and throw us into the arms of Jesus, like the sinners prayer: Have mercy on me)

    A few topics ago Bill was talking about the New Commandment from Jesus:
    Love each other as I have loved you.

    You could phrase that as:
    Do unto others as Jesus has done unto you
    See the parable of the unmerciful servant, Matthew 18:21-35

    That is the law of Jesus Christ,
    His Life flows from HIm to us, unto others John 7:38

    This discussion is very good for me, it makes things clearer and clearer.
    We live under the New Covenant,
    God takes care of the fact that we cannot obey, even if we want to, by giving to us Jesus Christ His one and only Son, the Gift from above, everything He is, lives in us, when He lives in us. He is full of patience, mercy, grace, love, and He lives in me, so in me is the Grace I need.
    If I do not have grace, I should check my faith: do I believe He lives in me.
    And if I fail, do I then believe God left me, a lie from the dark side. When we fail, and repent, and confess, we get up and go on, Christ is still in us.

  28. hera says:

    Hi all, thank you for the posts, learning…
    However, pardon me, perhaps it is because English is not my native, I have several things come to mind, so pls bear with me..
    I don’t really understand why it seems to be such a contrast between the Law/10C -which ‘identified’ as obedience and Jesus’ command to love.
    In my understanding the command to love is also a law, the Law to love and I need to obey it. To like/love beautiful, likeable persons may be easy, an ‘of course’ thing, but to love someone difficult, problematic, complicated or manipulative is….but according to the Law of Love that I need to obey….
    Then, altho I know about ‘Christ is the way of salvation’ that supports the Law of Love – that somehow negates (marginalized?) Works? – I can’t help wondering…then why the 10C was given and were the people who had lived adhering it were not saved? Why not just establish the Law of Love back then instead of the 10C?
    Also what about others like the Catholics since as I understand it, they are also Christians since they profess Faith in Jesus but put Works in the requirement? Does that mean they are not saved?
    Tho perhaps in the end that is for God to know and decide who will/not be saved….
    Actually Islam/Muslims do believe in Jesus in that He will be the Final Judge in the End Day, they do believe He is Holy, born of Spirit, not flesh, but not in His Deity, and praying for (not “to”) Him is a requirement just like they pray for their other prophets. They believe they are the ones who will be saved first by Jesus in the End Day since they have been praying for Him, among other religious requirements/laws that they perform, implicit the 10C I think.
    Somehow I think perhaps it is human nature to have a need for ‘order’ so they need laws, rituals etc that they can make sense of,so perhaps that is why many are converting to Islam incl some of Christians. In a way Islam has more detailed, rigid laws and asI have mentioned they provide scientific reasons for every religious requirement, e.g. you should not eat pork-religious reason=defiled, scientific reason=not healthy, too many bad fat, cholesterol etc.
    To me the Law of Love is very difficult since so far I never give my other cheek to be slapped….and I don’t give ppl on the street (and leave it to their discretion the usage), I’d rather give, donate to a cause that is clear of its usage…and many other faults and weaknesses that I prefer not to disclose (my sins will find me).
    To me, that is part of my contribution to establish a good order in the society, so in my view that is a positive deed.
    So, then perhaps I will not be saved…? :-)
    By the way, for some of other religion whipping ppl because of a misconduct is seen as a discipline, therefore part of a worship.
    Which reminds me of Rev 3:19 Those whom I love I rebuke & discipline. So be earnest, and repent.
    The rebuke and discipline can be interpretated in many, many ways from the most soft, lenient to the hardest..eternal death(?). This verse is before the ‘knock on door, opens and eat’ verse Rev 3:20. Does the two 19 & 20 related, if so then 19 is a condition to the 20?
    Just my wandering mind, pls apologize if it causes any inconvenience to anyone. Thank you.

  29. oneg2dblu says:

    Brothers and Sisters…By the way… aren’t all the parables, Christ’s intentionally twisted words?

    Of course they were, because even the disciples couldn’t get them without further direct explanation from the Lord.

    I guess we can all accuse others in their twisting of words we can’t understand while in our flesh, or we can lovingly forgive others in their twisting of words, we don’t quite get, but probably only when the Spirit leads us.

    Anytime we see the word (if) in the word of God, isn’t there always also the implied, if not?

    I believe Christ said, “If you deny me before men, I will deny you before my father in heaven.”

    That may not be verbatim, so don’t quote me. :)

    Be Blessed, Gary

  30. hera says:

    Sorry, forgot to mention, I once read online about a part of Catholic Catechism which said, including Muslims as ppl who will be saved….this caused a sort of commotion in their community, I don’t really know how authentic that is nor how it was justified, I didn’t follow the site. Just thought I share that. Perhaps if there is any Catholics reading this would know the answer…

  31. oneg2dblu says:

    hera… you bless us all with your presence here, your comments, and your concerns.

    I would say all scripture is connected together as it builds upon itself,

    Each verse we encounter should be examined by other supporting verses, to give it validation and provide more understanding, than just one verse standing alone.

    In the “old law” days, you needed two witnesses to bring a charge or claim for a ruling or settlement, just to make it worthy or of valued, as one person’s word was not enough.

    So, to me, the two witnesses for Our Christ being the Son of God, are the Old and New Testament writings, all sixty-six books in their collected and complete teachings, that build to one consensus, Jesus Christ is all we need to fulfill the law, and He is the Only Way to Life, Truth, and God.

    Allah the god of the Muslims, is not Our God because Allah does not have this son.

    So, John 3:16, which is one of Christianities most fundamental truths, and can not also apply to that other religion.

    “God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that however believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.”

    One must believe that Jesus Christ alone is the Only Begotten Son of God.

    The verses leading up to that “one verse,” and the verses that follow it, give it witness and authority and context.

    I hope that is a help in some way, I am sure others here will provide more for you.

    In His Love, Gary

  32. SFDBWV says:

    Gary your comments to Hera are very well stated. Thank you for making a hugely complicated issue simple.


  33. phpatato says:

    Good Morning friends

    Great thoughts and comments. Thank you for them.

    If you could please remember my husband and his family in a prayer…..a brother of his just received reports back that he has lung cancer that has metastasized to his stomach. He goes to the hospital in St. John’s (NL) to have his options laid out for him. He is already taking morphine pills to cut the pain.

    2014 has not been kind to the family. A sister passed in June (uterus cancer), my husband (who is doing quite well now) had major surgery in July, a brother passed in August (heart attack), a sister-in-law passed in September (breast cancer), a brother passed in November (throat cancer) and now this brother.

    This family is being shaken to their very roots. A tough, tough upbringing to live tough and hard lives. They are scattered across Canada and have had rare opportunities to see each other over the years. I pray that God is able to snatch those remaining (as of today 9 left of 15 children) from the lies of satan to wrap them in the arms of Jesus.

    Prayers for them as God lays it upon your heart, I thank you.


  34. poohpity says:

    Pat, thank you for sharing your needs with us and I will be praying earnestly for all. Love you, Deb

  35. oneg2dblu says:

    Pat… we listening here are your family in Christ, and when one of us hurts, we all hurt.
    So, your loving petition is heard, and we are shaken to the roots, for our roots are in Him who hears all our prayers.

  36. street says:

    been thinking of the contrast of the Old and New Testament. how the names of God told of His Power and describes what He doses in the Old Testament with the personal intimacy of God in the New Testament. their was a personal intimacy in the Old, it was terrifying. i can see where lax of intimacy and steadfastness led to all kinds of erratic and sinful behavior in Israel. in the New Testament i find erratic and sinful behavior in my self where there is lax of intimacy and steadfastness. i have to qualify the word steadfastness. it not something i do, but God does for me in the permanence of our relationship in His love for me. Relationships of Old and New are by faith. erratic behavior i think comes from estrangement from God, but not always because God always does things that are strange to men. virgin birth for instance. the New has a much sharper focus in Christ. He is all over the Old Testament and the stories are as deep and wonderful as any in the New. i would also have to say in the New is the promise of a permanent new resident for the children of God. throw out the old leaven, pull down every lofty thought, take up your cross. the new resident is much better at building, decorating, a life then we are. in this you will find life. Matthew 5 basically, blessed are those who long for God and do not get tired of this or find substitution somewhere else. yes our bodies still wear out, but the inner man is renew day by day in the secret place that none other as ever known. God bless you and make you fruitful.

  37. poohpity says:

    You know if we only had the OT which is what Jesus taught from about Himself one may tend to miss the heart of God without close examination. The Gift of a New Testament, or a New Covenant further proves that God has pursued us to the point of taking on flesh and laying down His deity for a tangible reflection of what God was saying to us all along from Genesis. That He wants a relationship with those who were created in His image. Turn to God because His love which is unexplainable in our human understanding can be experienced in our broken lives by faith.

    We can not earn that kind of love it is freely given to all those who want it. Our rebellion (sin)causes us to walk away hiding in guilt and shame not only from God but from others as well. What Jesus did on the Cross caused restoration through forgiveness gifting us with mercy and grace of that which caused us to hide. Then believing He rose from the grave as well we are saved. Nothing to do with us it is about what God did, the gift of the New Covenant which was intended from the beginning of time.

    If we truly believe that then out of a heart of gratitude we share that same forgiveness, mercy and grace with others. Not holding wrongs against others. This does not mean we will not suffer consequences from our wrong choices which is the correction needed to keep us from repeating the actions. Just like any parent who tells a child not to touch a fire(sin) cause you will get burned yet at times we still do and have burn marks (consequences) but because God is faithful to forgive us when we admit to our rebellion, he does not take away the consequences which most of the time is enough punishment in and of itself why heap more on someone to crush them.(Matt 12:20 NLT)

  38. street says:


    who really is twisted?
    i agree a twisted phrase can communicate much more than what was intended good or bad. it also gives the hearer an opportunity to respond with godliness.

    Jesus never got tired of all the twisted questions that confronted Him daily. He still got tired though and slept whenever he could. may we be found abiding in Him. alert to properly responding to the circumstances we find ourselves. because that is where he wants us at the present time.

  39. poohpity says:

    As Paul stood in the presence of King Agrippa giving an account of what happened to him when he met Jesus sharing that he was a Pharisee zealous for following the Old Covenant yet now understood what Moses and the prophets were all pointing to, the coming Messiah. Look at how he lived before his Damascus experience like all the other religious folks before him. The ones that Jesus referred to as white washed tombs, oppressors, blind guides, hypocrites, snakes, sons of hell, pride filled and arrogant because they gave off the appearance of godliness but instead they wanted honor and glory because of the things they did in following the law rather than sharing the burdens of the people they heaped more burdens on them. The outward person was all fancy, neat and tidy, saying what they felt were all the right things to shine the light on them but their hearts were made of stone, full of pride.

    That was how Paul lived before Jesus and the gift of a new testament. Now his testament showed remorse over the wrongs he commits, turning to God humbled and said as proof of the change rather than focusing on the old covenant he began to do goods things for others. It seems the proof of who has our heart is not that we follow the law but how we treat others. Have we received the gift or are we still trying to earn our way to God or do we really care at all as long as we wear the name “Christian”?

  40. SFDBWV says:

    All the talk of loving each other as a commandment has me thinking about where that leaves us when we don’t.

    I have never met anyone who can honestly tell me that they *love* everyone else.

    There is an old adage that says, “Familiarity breeds contempt.”

    I find that the more you get to know someone or the more you are around them, you will find yourself in one of three camps; like them, or don’t like them, or don’t care one way or the other.

    So what then of the commandment to love all of them?

    Worse, what then when you find someone you just cannot stand, even find yourself hating?

    We find ourselves facing the reality that we cannot obey the basics of Jesus’ commandment to love others. Even though we may want to, we face the facts that we just can’t.

    Does this make us more aware of the need for forgiveness for ourselves? Or perhaps show us our need to extend that same forgiveness toward people we may not want to and expose our inability to be sincere?

    Even the most *devote* among us fail to live up to this commandment to love others and show us our continued need for Jesus as our Savior.

    We will always be in need of Jesus and it that need for Him that nailed Him to the cross.

    No wonder we hang our heads when we go to God in prayer.


  41. remarutho says:

    Good Morning All —

    The two doors in your illustration, Mart, remind me of a couple of things, the first being the tablets of the law that Moses carried down from Mt.Sinai. There they are, two slabs which open to reveal God’s wonders. The core of the Old Testament resides in those commandments.

    Next, the doors in the photo, numbered differently, but resembling one another in every other way remind me of the two olive trees, the two lamp stands, and the two witnesses in the last days who have prophetic power (Rev 11:3, 4, 5, 6).

    It seems to me the title of your post proposes that the two doors are the Old Testament and the New Testament. (Could be wrong about that.) Messiah is revealed in both. Jesus said, “Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets I did not come to abolish but to fulfill.”

    The telling of the great story is not yet complete, so we have only the wonderful task of telling the part we know as best we can. The season is Advent, and Jesus is coming our way!


  42. street says:

    SFDBWV says:
    We will always be in need of Jesus and it’s that need for Him that nailed Him to the cross.

    was thinking today that i needed help in taking up my cross in the form of nails so i can’t run away from it, like i always do. His reply is, “My love will suffice.”
    Grace is what He gave paul in weakness. Love holds us secure. not my love, but His perfect love. this love needs to abide in my heart on a continues basis. Holy Spirit comes to mind here.

  43. street says:

    “And I pray that you, being rooted and established in love, may have power, together with all the Lord’s holy people, to grasp how wide and long and high and deep is the love of Christ, and to know this love that surpasses knowledge—that you may be filled to the measure of all the fullness of God.” Ephesians 3:17b-19

  44. street says:

    SFDBWV says:
    December 13, 2014 at 9:35 am

    All the talk of loving each other as a commandment has me thinking about where that leaves us when we don’t.

    it leaves us alone and in the dark.
    i also have been thinking that doing good works in the flesh leaves us there too. yes it is good to do good works from obedience, best is to do it from love. let me qualify and explain what i mean by love. love that comes from God through intimate worship of God. packred says the highest privilege of the gospel is son-ship with God. i have been thinking worship of God is the highest privilege and calling of man. when that happens it is worked out in the present in all it different fronts. and yes i said fronts. lol

  45. oneg2dblu says:

    street… great posts and twist.

    I trust I am not going to be labeled to legalistic here by saying this, but I believe we are supposed to carry our cross daily, not be nailed to it.

    But that is just twisted me thinking out loud.

    How can I follow Christ with my feet crossed and nailed to my cross? :O

    It is written… ” Luke 9:23

  46. oneg2dblu says:

    too not to

  47. street says:

    Hearts and nails
    i understand your point gary. it’s just my wandering heart drives me crazy. God’s love compels me back to sanity and security, both of which i need. i find no security in my flesh or soundness. i find this in God. i hope the world finds this security and soundness in us, who claim Christ.

    i guess i need to explain how i found this in God. believing the Bible is God’s Word and reading it spending time with the living Author with the Spirit He has given me. you will find Him when you search for Him with all your heart. listening is a starting point followed by repentance. i guess this is the taking up the cross daily that gary mentioned. we follow because of His Love for us.

  48. street says:

    hey gary i just remembered paul followed Jesus while in chains and in a locked cell. it never hindered him or God.

  49. oneg2dblu says:

    Street… good point! God is with us even in prison.

  50. foreverblessed says:

    this is from God calling, Jesus talking to the twolisteners on love, wanted to share it with you all (Pat, thanks for asking prayer for your family!)

    december 12, care-free

    “Perfect love casteth out fear.”

    Love and fear cannot dwell together. By their very natures they cannot exist side by side. Evil is powerful, and fear is one of evil’s most potent forces.

    Therefore a weak vacillating love can be soon routed by fear, whereas a perfect Love, a trusting Love, is immediately the Conqueror, and fear, vanquished, flees in confusion.

    But I am Love because God is Love, and I and the Father are one. So the only way to obtain this perfect Love, that dispels fear, is to have Me more and more in your lives. You can only banish fear by My Presence and My Name.

    Fear of the future — Jesus will be with us.

    Fear of poverty — Jesus will provide. (And so to all the temptations of fear.)

    You must not allow fear to enter. Talk to Me. Think of Me. Talk of Me. Love Me. And that sense of My Power will so possess you that no fear can possess your mind. Be strong in this My Love.

    “And it shall come to pass in the day that the Lord shall give thee rest from thy sorrow,
    and from thy fear, and from the hard bondage
    wherein thou wast made to serve.” Isaiah 14:3

  51. street says:

    “And it shall come to pass in the day that the Lord shall give thee rest from thy sorrow,
    and from thy fear, and from the hard bondage
    wherein thou wast made to serve.” Isaiah 14:3

    been thinking the hard bondage of service comes from listening to another and following another. it’s fire to our souls. the sooner we can distinguish voices the sooner the hard servitude is over. taste, test and see if there is profit in God’s Word. Jesus said hard times will come for the saints, it doesn’t mean they are doing wrong. it is an opportunity for His purpose, for His Glory. less of us more of Him. He’s that good!

  52. remarutho says:

    Good Morning BTA Friends —

    Prayers going up for your brother, Pat, and for your family to find and open the door that allows the Lord Jesus to come in and offer that hope and comfort only the Lord can give.

    Mart, you anticipate, with all the world, the coming of that love and hope of the New Covenant (Testament):

    “So, I think it’s more than worth thinking together about whether any of us can reasonably presume to live in compliance with the Spirit of God by keeping his commandments—unless by that we mean (by his grace)
    (1) believing in his Son, and (in his Spirit)
    (2) slowly learning to love one another as he has so patiently, kindly, and mercifully loved us…” (edit mine)

    One believer commented a few Christmases ago, “What the world needs is a stable influence.” The comment is a reminder that it was in a Bethlehem stable that the Son came into this weary world. The Spirit of God stirred heaven — a choir of angels sang praise — and the shepherds (humblest of men in 1st c. society) began spreading the word that Messiah was here.

    “But the angel said to them, ‘Do not be afraid; for behold, I bring you good news of great joy which will be for all the people; for today in the city of David there has been born for you a Savior, who is Christ the Lord. This will be a sign for you: you will find a baby wrapped in cloths and lying in a manger.’ And suddenly there appeared with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God and saying,
    ‘Glory to God in the highest,
    And on earth peace among men with whom He is pleased.'”

    Our news todsy is the best news ever — “good news of great joy!”

    Blessings all day,

  53. remarutho says:

    Of course, I mean our news today is the best news ever!

  54. joycemb says:

    Maru that absolutely is the best news ever!

    I am thinking today about why obedience to God is so important as many scriptures point out . The song Trust and Obey comes to mind. I can’t write all the words here but the chorus goes like this:

    Trust and obey
    For there’s no other ways
    To be happy in Jesus
    Than to trust and obey!

    Life is difficult but no matter our circumstance happiness and joy can always be found while we are living in trusting obedience to our glorious Savior who came for the lowliest lost person as one of us.

    Happy Birthday Jesus as we anticipate and celebrate your birth knowing that tho you are gone for a little while you promised to return again and claim us; your sisters and brothers whom you loved to death.

  55. street says:

    “My soul exalts the Lord,
    47 And my spirit has rejoiced in God my Savior.
    48 “For He has had regard for the humble state of His bondslave;
    For behold, from this time on all generations will count me blessed.
    49 “For the Mighty One has done great things for me;
    And holy is His name.
    50 “And His mercy is upon generation after generation
    Toward those who fear Him.
    51 “He has done mighty deeds with His arm;
    He has scattered those who were proud in the thoughts of their heart.
    52 “He has brought down rulers from their thrones,
    And has exalted those who were humble.
    53 “He has filled the hungry with good things;
    And sent away the rich empty-handed.
    54 “He has given help to Israel His servant,
    In remembrance of His mercy,
    55 As He spoke to our fathers,
    To Abraham and his descendants forever.”

  56. street says:

    Happy Birthday Jesus as we anticipate and celebrate your birth knowing that tho you are gone for a little while you promised to return again and claim us; your sisters and brothers whom you loved to death.

    He is not gone! and He teaches, enlightens, reproves, encourages, blesses, strengthens, humbles,…….. through the Holy Spirit whom He gave to be with us, just as He was with the 12. it was really good He went back to Heaven, because now he can be with all the saints at once. is anything really to hard for God? yes i know we will be in His physical presents some day, but don’t over look Him in the present.

  57. street says:

    “Blessed be the Lord God of Israel,
    For He has visited us and accomplished redemption for His people,
    69 And has raised up a horn of salvation for us
    In the house of David His servant—
    70 As He spoke by the mouth of His holy prophets from of old—
    71 Salvation from our enemies,
    And from the hand of all who hate us;
    72 To show mercy toward our fathers,
    And to remember His holy covenant,
    73 The oath which He swore to Abraham our father,
    74 To grant us that we, being rescued from the hand of our enemies,
    Might serve Him without fear,
    75 In holiness and righteousness before Him all our days.
    76 “And you, child, will be called the prophet of the Most High;
    For you will go on before the Lord to prepare His ways;
    77 To give to His people the knowledge of salvation
    By the forgiveness of their sins,
    78 Because of the tender mercy of our God,
    With which the Sunrise from on high will visit us,
    79 To shine upon those who sit in darkness and the shadow of death,
    To guide our feet into the way of peace.”

  58. oneg2dblu says:

    Howdy… reading the last few comments about where our Savior lives today reminded me of this song,

    He Lives

    I serve a living Savior,
    He’s in the world today,
    I know that He is living,
    Whatever men may say,
    I see His Hand of Mercy,
    I hear His Voice of Cheer,
    And just the time I need Him,
    He’s always near.

    He Lives, He lives, Christ Jesus Lives today,
    He walks with me, He talks with me,
    Along life’s narrow way,
    He Lives, He Lives, Salvation to impart,
    You ask me how I know He Lives,
    He Lives within my heart.


  59. joycemb says:

    Even though the Bible says nothing about Jesus taking up residence in my heart yes, He lives in the now with us and in the future when He returns (revelation) to take us to be with Him. It’s almost an oxymoron isn’t it? Here but gone, present but returning.

    I agree Street, faith is fun as you said!

    Gary I do remember that song fondly also!

  60. street says:

    thanks for the song gary.

    let me draw a diagram if you will.

    Father = Jesus = Holy Spirit

    Holy Spirit is in believers….
    Acts 10:45

  61. poohpity says:

    Eph 3:17 NLT

  62. poohpity says:

    If we believe God is omnipresent then we know He is everywhere and time has no meaning, from everlasting to everlasting, ever present and all knowing. It seems people put God in a box only limited by their own thinking.

  63. foreverblessed says:

    God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit

    I have found a book by Watchmen Nee rather very helpful: Changed into His likeness.
    The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob
    I am now reading in chapter 12, and it is so encouraging: We live in the age of Grace, we live under the New Covenant, which means that we trust God fully and look up to Him for our living, He is not only the One who gives us guidelines, the law, but He is the One who makes us keep them too. Then what is our own initiative, are we weaklings, does God take over our will?

    Watchmen Nee gives a bible study on this subject: It is called the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
    God gives Himself these names, and why does He do that? To show us how deeply involved He is with the human race:
    God of Abraham- He is God the Father, who called Abraham out of Ur in Mesopotamia. God the Father who initiates all.
    God of Isaac- He is God the Son, God the Provider, Isaac was born in a rich family, everything is given to Isaac, and he just accepts it, everything he needs is there, just as in our lives we have everything in Jesus Christ.
    So you could say, this is a done deal, no problem, as many of us say, when we talk about living in faith in Jesus Christ is a done deal.

    But then God also calls Himself by the name of
    God of Jacob- the God of man, who is self willed, and full of self power, and even if living in the rules of God, he himself brings it about in his own strength. Everything Jacob fights for, is something God has promised, as God pointed Jacob as the inheritor of Abrahams blessings.
    God of Jacob, meaning God the Holy Spirit, God who gets to the purpose of a man who lives in faith in Jesus Christ.
    It is Jesus who lives in us through the Holy Spirit, and the Holy Spirit that forms us, and disciplines us. As long as we look up into faith that God leads us.
    You would say then we still have to follow the leading of the Holy Spirit, yes, but see how God trained Jacob, till he came to the point of self revelation when he fought the angels of the Lord. See how wonderful the work of God was to get him there. How truly good and trustworthy is our God, in Jesus, through the Holy Spirit, who lives in us.

  64. foreverblessed says:

    It is chapter 11 that I am reading, I put the last part in the former topic, just for encouragement, for anyone who has time.
    The thing is, we are humans and we are weak, I remember talking to my old church people, who did not want to let go of the law, as a guide, just with that excuse: I am weak. I need a set of rules to lead me. The point is, a set of rules will not help you. It is the living Word that lives in you, that will help you, through the Holy Spirit. Jesus is real, and is here in us, if we have faith in Him as our Savior.
    Seeing that we are weak is a real thing. But what is the solution: as others have written just above: Jesus, the Light, the Bread of life, the and it is the Spirit that works out the life of Jesus within us.
    And that is Today- Jesus is here in us now, give Him the place in your life that He can fill more and more

  65. street says:

    the Holy Spirit makes the New Covenant much better than the first.


  66. joycemb says:

    Pooh good catch! What I was meaning to say was that the Bible doesn’t say we are to ‘ask Jesus into our heart’ specifically. It does tell us to believe and accept Jesus atonement for our sins.

    We all try to create our own boxes (usually dependent on what’s in our heart at the time) for God, but thankfully as your wonderful scripture Ephesians 3:16-17 points out through the Spirit Christ makes his home in our hearts as we learn to trust in him.

    Interesting to note he was talking to believers in Ephesis. Ephesians 1:1.

    (Still using my phone to type and this morning I erased half of what I wrote by accident so lost part of the meaning. As we say in the Midwest, uffdah!!!)

  67. joycemb says:

    Pooh how is the program coming for ministering to the homeless? I know God will use your expertise for His glory. Still praying.

    Pat praying for you also- I know holidays tend to accentuate loss.

    If you get a chance Kay Warren wrote a piece in Christianity Today pleading for no cheer-up Christmas cards this year. You can find it on-line.

  68. poohpity says:

    Joyce, program for the homeless? I wonder if you mean teaching listening skills to those in the care ministry? It is coming around slowly, thank you for the continued prayers.

  69. oneg2dblu says:

    Brothers and Sisters…. I just read that piece from Kay Warren, and before we each claim our own painful life experiences that Christmas time evokes in us, let us not constantly overshadow the very real,
    Reason for the Season.

    Jesus and His Birth, and the purpose for it to take away our sin and suffering and replace it with “His” Joy!

    Why take offense against any well wishing and joy others feel, generate, and try to share with us, by then laying a guilt trip about insensitivity to our personal needs.

    We all have the need to celebrate, share, and express to the world hurting around us, what joy we can feel at Christmas time especially being a Child of God, as He came to perpetuate something greater in the Hearts of all who Believe and Receive.

    Sensitivity classes and teaching are not the focus and purpose of why others wrote, “Oh Holy Night,” or,”Tis the Season to be Jolly”.

    Is it not the very things of this dying world which gather upon us and then try to strip us spiritually, those which He also came to help us overcome?

    We can and should all pray for those who suffer through this time which should express, “Joy to the World.”

    We’er all drowning in some type of suffering in this life, and He came here for each of us, to take away, to conquer, and to destroy our worst spiritual enemy.

    As we all have needs, we can also Give Him Praise, Give Him Glory, Give Him Honor, and please Give Him your harboring thoughts of grief, sorrow, and failure.

    He alone is Willing and Able to bring us the healing of our greatest need, which is finding in Him, Jesus Christ, always there waiting for us, bringing us Unspeakable Joy.

    The Hope of Heaven, here for us on Earth.


  70. poohpity says:

    The OT was a shadow of the things to come and in it was the secret waiting to be reveled. It gave hints but when the Lord Jesus appeared the shadow fell away because the light had come. The secret was openly explained as the New Testament.

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