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Has God Said?


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The question has a history. Before it was first asked, human experience was limited to a paradise of undisguised trust and innocence (Gen 2:25).

Then… from behind the mask of one of God’s own creatures, the hellishly subtle question was asked, “Has God said….?”

In the next few words, Genesis gives us a hint of how the boundary of trustworthiness was crossed, and lost (Gen 3:1).

To this day, some of us feel uncomfortable repeating those same words….

But has there ever been a more important question?

Who could count the consequences of not asking that question when faced with the misleading thoughts of misunderstood Scripture, fearful impressions, or the assurances of trusted friends who themselves may have misunderstood who “led them to think or say”— about “what God has said”.

This is no time to point the finger of blame. We have reason to be gentle and graciously patient with one another in such a difficult matter. It is understandable that we might be hesitant to find the courage to ask, “Has God said…?” when it comes to the way “inspired words” or “compelling coincidences” are interpreted, understood, and applied.

Yet every once in a while, it probably wouldn’t hurt to reflect on how  we talk about “the leading of God”—or with what thoughtfulness we interpret and apply the Scriptures breathed into existence by the Spirit of God. Between the covers of Genesis and Revelation we find, in addition to the words of the Lord, an inspired record of the confusion of people like Job and his friends, David in his grief, Abraham in his fear, and even in the mistakes of Moses (Num 20:11-12)… and the timely, yet incomplete thoughts of Paul (1Cor 13:12).

So, let’s try to put “has God said?” in perspective. If what was wrong with the question at first asking was the motive (intent to inspire doubts about the heart of God)  (Gen 3:1), what could be safer than to keep asking the same question… in a desire to not lose sight of the goodness, love, and trustworthiness of our Father in heaven.

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74 Responses to “Has God Said?”

  1. SFDBWV says:

    This is a topic and subject we have tackled before and a good one to repeat, because people are creatures of habit and often have selected memory.

    I will begin with a short story; I had a friend who adamantly did not believe in life after death, but did consider himself a Christian Bible believer.

    He used one quote out of Ecclesiastes 9:5 “; but the dead know not anything…” to base his entire understanding of the matter of life after death.

    Even though I and others showed him many other Scripture quotes to the contrary he remained steadfast in his belief because of that one verse of Scripture.

    If only quoting God’s Words were as simple as we are, it would be easy, but God’s words are interconnected and purposely intended for us to search and seek Their meanings; hence our subject matter “Has God Said”.

    This can be fun to explore, but “shields up” as I said earlier people are creatures of habit and I feel a defensive posture is needed to have a constructive conversation.


  2. jeff1 says:

    Mart’s words, This is no time to point the finger of blame.
    We have reason to be gentle and graciously patient with one and other in such a difficult matter. What if that is where God wants us to be, if men cannot agree on God’s written word then they turn more to Him, depend on His spirit to lead. He will also become more tolerant and patient with his fellow believer who not only lacks the knowledge of the word but lacks the confidence in his own ability to interpretate it. For people like myself want to learn from those who sincerely interpretate God’s word not from those who do so to claim they are righteous. For having known those who do just that, I can see there is here a genuine understanding and desire to understand God’s word for the good of mankind which is what it should be and not for any individuals selfish gain i.e. to try to prove a point. I would hope if I did that then someone would point me the error of my ways.

  3. remarutho says:

    Good Morning Mart & Friends —

    Mart, you wrote:
    “It is understandable that we might be hesitant to find the courage to ask, ‘Has God said…?’ when it comes to the way ‘inspired words’ or ‘compelling coincidences’ are interpreted, understood, and applied.”

    You, Mart, seem to be offering the chance for those commenting to be transparent and unguarded (being “graciously patient with one another,” as you put it) — while you, Steve, as a gladiator in this arena, warn us to keep our ‘shields up.’

    Your friend you mention Steve, who put all his faith-eggs in the basket of Ecclesiastes 9:5, is a perfect example of wearing blinders while “interpreting” the words of Scripture. Your dear friend has made himself foolish, it seems to me.

    We here are from different places and cultures. Thanks be to God! If a group of Jesus-followers faithfully search the Bible (Genesis to Revelation) together, then guides to ministry and mission will emerge from their study so that their actions will be in line with what God has for that area at that time. We here are in ministry all over the world.

    If someone (like the “hellishly subtle” serpent) forms an argument from the perspective of doubt with an intention of steering trusting souls to doubt God, then the path will be crooked, like Satan’s unworthy first intentions.

    “Has God said?” is not a bad question.
    Can we come to the table knowing the Scriptures from first-hand reading?
    Can we then do our best to understand the original context of culture and thinking of people then and now — compare and contrast rationally?
    Can we engage one another graciously and patiently to learn the different opinions and perspectives around the table?

    Where is it written (in the Bible) that rude and interesting are the same thing? Just asking.

    40F and clear here. Sunshine forecast today.


  4. SFDBWV says:

    Before I am off and running for the day I just wanted to say I enjoyed your comparison Maru regarding mine and Marts comments.

    While Mart asked us to be “graciously patient with each other”, you interpreted what he had said to be “transparent and unguarded”.

    This is exactly what Eve did when the serpent asked Eve what God said. She added to what God had said, by saying she and Adam were not to even touch the forbidden fruit.

    Being a gladiator I learned years ago that the one place I cannot guard with my shield is my back, that area is reserved for my fellow combatants.

    Yes Maru, my little story was meant to show how foolish we all can sound from time to time, believing all the while we sound very informed speaking even as if god has said.

    48 degrees under gray skies and wet from early morning drizzle.


  5. remarutho says:

    Dear All —

    Since the time the Lord placed fiery guardians at the entrance to the garden, all of us have been living East of Eden. Who has the willingness or ability to simply be “like a little child” in this world?

    Can it be Jesus gives us the courage we require to be as little children — “shrewd as serpents and innocent as doves”?


  6. poohpity says:

    Putting thoughtfulness into anything that we think God has said with the underlying belief in His ultimate love, care, trustworthiness and concern for mankind does seem to give us a perspective that surpasses any human understanding or wisdom. Does anyone really care about “Has God Said?” or are they so focused inward at wanting to be the one who thinks they know it all that one comes to the point of never really listening to anything God has said? Often it seems people want to be the Good Teacher rather than pointing people to the One who actually is.

    It is humbling to understand we are students of the Good Teacher sitting at His feet learning. I think learning from God takes a life time because each lesson has a practical application for it to sink into our minds like “oh so that is what you meant”. In school we memorized and regurgitated not really knowing how it fits into our lives but God seems to help us discover what He is teaching like a life lesson then His inspired Word comes alive. To use our minds to ask questions, to search for answers and to seek truths not with the attitude as most controlling humans do “because I said so, now do it”.

    Most who have their hearts intent on sharing “Has God Said?” seem bent on pointing people to God, say check for yourself what the Bible says don’t just trust what I say.

  7. Mart DeHaan says:


    I’m wondering whether I’m misunderstanding what you wrote.

    I think I hear you saying, “Shields up” (i.e. be careful) when it comes to what others think “God has said.” If so, good.

    But then, in addition to being careful, are you saying we should point a finger of blame, and that we should not be patient, gracious, and gentle with those who we think are wrong in their interpretation of what God has said?

  8. SFDBWV says:

    Mart for starters I cannot even imagine how anyone could interpret “shields up” as a command to point fingers or blame anyone for anything.

    It is as I said, a “defensive posture” meant to imply that once the conversation begins we/I are/am immediately placed in a position of having to defend whatever we/I say.

    Proven already.

    Being patient, gracious and gentle is a two way street.

    As of this posting no one, especially me has said anyone here has misinterpreted what God has said. My example of my friend is and was meant to show how each one of us is capable of being right or being wrong while quoting Scripture. Using Scripture to validate what we think is being said.

    Maru if your comment that followed mine was meant as reply to mine, I did not understand its relevance, but did your generalized statement.


  9. oneg2dblu says:

    I agree that being patient,gracious and gentle is a two way street.

    Or, we can all agree that it is, if that is how it remains.

    Yet, putting up a clear sign, or a shield, or a defensive posture, that says, “Do Not Enter,” doesn’t that quickly change that possibility?

    Once, one is cast from the garden, and the shields of protection are placed preventing their re-entry, then one can no longer have any thoughts of that two way street, that represents, patience, graciousness, or gentleness.

    Would they not feel rebuke, retribution, and expulsion from that garden where they were once free to express and enjoy.

    Does not the actual patience, the graciousness, and the gentleness, then become blocked by that very shield?


  10. SFDBWV says:

    Oh good grief….Ephesians 6: 13-18 especially Ephesians 6:16 “Above all, taking the SHIELD of faith,”


  11. remarutho says:

    Hey Gary —

    I was not replying directly to your previous post, but I was thinking about the dynamic of Satan’s wiles and the man and woman in the garden: first innocent, then tempted, then rebellious and sinful and ejected from that paradise.

    Innocence is gone — and we are the sadder for it. It would be foolish to assume you or I or anybody is safe to be open-hearted, honest and transparent with everyone.

    As you commented on the previous topic (4/28/15, 5:13 a.m.):
    “It is up to us to either allow our little community here to be destroyed or cleanse it and be healed.
    Or move away.”

    Jesus is the way to make this journey without fear, it seems to me. He is our portion and our shield and buckler. He will vindicate all who remain faithful to his way of gentleness, patience and grace. I hoped to point out that it does take courage to follow Jesus in this…


  12. remarutho says:

    Silly mistake! My latest post is addressed to Steve, not Gary!

  13. poohpity says:

    Yes Maru, it does courage to follow Jesus. To not get defensive and attack but hold up that shield of faith. Jesus did not react in anger when He was questioned nor did He retaliate when insulted. Did God say “treat people the way they treat you or treat them how you want to be treated and the way Jesus treated us with gentleness, patience and grace.”?

  14. poohpity says:

    Some people consider that weak but it takes more strength, courage and self control to refrain from reacting than it does to react.

  15. oneg2dblu says:

    Another silly mistake made… I’m sorry, I thought that the “shields up” warning given in the first post, was referring to the defensive posture that would needed, and not the Ephesians 6:16, “shields of faith,” that is being versed now.

    Please forgive me if I misunderstood the words, defensive posture.

    I hope I get it right this time… The warning was to put up “shields of faith,” if we dare enter this constructive conversation?

    oops, Sorry my computer just shut down on me, as it was taking on a defensive posture taken because of a low battery, but now, I’m plugged into a better power source.
    No PUN intended!

  16. poohpity says:

    Where patience and grace comes in is because we realize that none of do things perfectly.

  17. poohpity says:

    oops none of us do things perfectly.

  18. street says:

    Has God Said?
    been thinking of this title for awhile now. the reason we ask this question or even debate it is because we are engaged in our own thoughts and self. another reason there is difficulty is the failure to know God. to really understand who and what He Is. do we have to ask or question because we don’t know Him or walk with Him? God still speaks….is anyone listening? He has finally spoken, through His Son. His Son sent the Holy Spirit to take His place. we are cautioned to test the spirit. we are also told to study so we will not be making foolish decisions. i am at a point in time where i understand my thoughts are foolish before God and my flesh is absolutely unreliable. yet i know He has plans for a future for me not against me. i also know i need to master the leviathan and behemoth of my own soul, but the greatest thing i look forward to is knowing Him as He is. i do know He has made away for this to happen. thinking and looking to Him.

  19. marma says:

    Today I read an article by an author with an M Div, sort of touted as a theologian. The author quoted lots of Scripture to support the points made. Comments afterward ran the gamut of “totally wrong” to “totally right” with the posters arguing back and forth.

    Lots of things occurred to me as I searched some of the scriptures. I appreciated the boldness of those who called out the author on misinterpreting Scripture. What I would have liked to seen was gentleness and meekness along with the truth.

    I believe one purpose of that article was to push buttons, and sadly it was successful in that regard.

    To me, “hath God said” in a positive sense is to be utterly familiar with Scripture and search it deeply and daily like the Bereans asking God for inderstanding along the way, so we are ready when we are being bombarded by all sorts of teaching and Interpretations. We need to be ready to give an answer for that hope that lies within us, with meekness, fear and love–those responses that come only by the Spirit of God.

    Good idea to take off the boxing gloves and put on the shield of faith–remembering the fiery darts are from the enemy of our souls.

    Think I’ll read about Elijah tonight. :)

    Thanks, Mart and all. This helped redirect my thoughts tonight.

  20. street says:

    mart i am intrigued by your statement, “and the timely, yet incomplete thoughts of Paul (1Cor 13:12). ?

    is this incompleteness related to maturity of the plan of God? i don’t know if i could agree with you that these are Pauline thoughts.

  21. joycemb says:

    2 Corinthians 5:7 walking by faith requires us to be looking ahead and not allowing the flesh (feelings, sight, comfort) to get in the way of the heavenly vision. ‘Has God NOT said’, should be our battle cry.

    Just realizing my post loops all the way back to Steve’s controversial post this morning about having the ‘shield of faith’. Funny how these things work out within the body, isn’t it?

  22. SFDBWV says:

    As I suggested and implied at the outset of this subject the idea that we can use God’s Words to make a point, prove a point or even as weapon (two edged sword) there is going to be disagreement at the most emotional level.

    It seems nobody sees anything in the same light or acts upon the same motivations so this subject has, as marma suggested, lots of hot button opportunities.

    Genesis 3:1-7 tells the story of the conversation between Eve and the serpent. For me there is a huge story untold here and one that leaves open the door to multiple interpretations as to the story behind the story.

    It is that curiosity of wanting to know that drove Eve and drives us away from just accepting what God said at face value to trying to peer past or over it to know more.

    Immediately Eve does what we her descendants do, she added to what God said (Genesis3:3) in stating she and Adam were not even allowed to touch the forbidden fruit.

    One has to have the hide of a rhinoceros and the demeanor of a koala bear to not be affected when people are not gentle, gracious or patient with them.

    All the while quoting Scripture as to why the insulted party should absorb a kick in the gut.

    How to move along in this topic is going to be tough, especially if any misunderstanding is going to be viewed as finger pointing, by those who are pointing fingers.

    Good luck.


  23. oneg2dblu says:

    joycemb… I agree with you, we all need to thank Steve for bringing into this conversation, the need for us all to put on the Armor of God, or “shields up.”

    And, we need to thank Pooh also, for giving us all such good counsel with her words.

  24. oneg2dblu says:

    I can’t remember the last time, or any time, that I could ever eat any fruit from any tree without touching it first.

    Maybe a small point, but, that is just my life experience.

    Although, it could possibly be done, it would not be my first thought, especially, after “hearing” the eating of it would harm me.

    But, if ignoring God’s Word and thinking to myself, how good it looks to me, that could certainly turn the tide of knowing better, but doing what pleases self instead.

    We all know what scripture says about sin, that all sin starts with a temptation, or wrong thinking.

    Whether that temptation comes from the twisted crafty words of others that somehow now sound good to us, or the desires of the eye that seek what looks so good to us, or through witnessing of others who have seemingly gotten away with it, and are without consequence, and are now offering it to us as good tasting, good feeling, even calling it acceptable or normal, but God’s Word, actually says differently.

    Then, to me, it is all based on our actually knowing better, or being warned first, but doing the wrong thing anyhow.

    Adding words, to me, is what the Serpent first used to trap the innocent mind into forming another opinion, that quickly had wrapped the sin of disobedience in such a crafty way, as to say, “Did God really say?”

    Yes, God did say, and still does say, that the sin of disobedience may seem like it gets a reward, but that reward for sinning is only temporal, and will not be a good thing to spread to others, or carry into your future with God.

    In fact, the curse that sin now carries, is carried by all mankind today, and is both long lasting, given in love, and with God’s form of patience, gentleness, and humility, but it is not lacking a stern rebuke for our own good.

    In my opinion.

  25. foreverblessed says:

    … gentle, gracious or patient with them.

    Many things are not worth the debate, as many convictions go very deep, and are very personal. As Gary said here many times: God is in control, Let the Holy Spirit do the work and the conviction. He knows what is in the deepest part of a personal heart. He knows to wait, for the best time to reveal things, hidden things.

    And mostly I do believe that God is working out His Love first and foremost before He comes with any convictions about doctrines held dear.

    Like the man Steve talked to, who believed that he would be dead, (till the last Trump, when Jesus comes when the dead in Christ will be resurrected.)
    This man believes in Christ, so be happy with him, his soul is safe in Christ.
    What do you know about his deeper convictions?
    I know, because I was one of them who believed that too.
    Not only that verse Steve talked about, but also Acts 2:34
    Well let me skip the part of what I believed then..
    I am trying to be courteous now, in describing what I went through after I came to the realization that our souls do live on after we die.
    It dawned on me that all people live on, also the ones the bad and the ugly.

    Realizing that the dead are not dead but their souls live on, was good for me personally, I would immediately be with Jesus.
    all those souls who were lost, were also alive, and were roaming about, lost and dreadful. The thought was landing in my mind, and I was greatly distressed. These people were not waiting in their graves, but lost souls, no hope, no body around them, no place to stay. And the distress became greater and greater in me, it was unbearable.

    You see, what I mean that when we want to convince people of some meaning of bible verses? It has consequences in people’s heart that we do know nothing about.
    How great my distress was, it was terrible.
    It lasted two weeks, and I kept praying to God about it, pleading for mercy, pleading for what…His love for all.

    It just so happened I was practicing playing piano, “We will dance” by David Ruis and I was singing the refrain:
    “We will dance on the streets that are golden
    The glorious bride and the great Son of Man
    From every tongue and tribe and nation
    Will join, in the song of the Lamb”

    And there it happened, God’s grace came over me, and a great peace landed in my heart! All was well, God is in control! What a great relief that was!

    You see, deeply held convictions of other people, even if they are not right, it is none of our business: Let God be in control, let the Holy Spirit be the One who gently leads people into all truth.
    How can we comfort a heart that is in great distress, but we have been busy to convince them of the one true meaning of a bible verse, but after that they are at a loss! Is that truth more important then the peace a person has in God alone?

  26. SFDBWV says:

    Just as Foreverblessed has shared with us about her old church group, there are multiple protestant churches all with their own brand of Christianity.

    Splintered out of which are multiple sects of extreme beliefs. All using what they believe God said as their basis for their beliefs.

    So was the separation between the Catholic Church the right move and was it inspired by the Holy Spirit?

    There are some people who believe that Christianity replaced Israel in God’s favor and in God’s plan to accomplish the goals Israel did not. They will show you chapter and verse from the Minor Prophets to “prove” their position.

    I am not one of those people and like them use Scripture to prove my point, especially Revelation where 12,000 out of each tribe of Israel are destined for what appears a special purpose being sealed (Revelation 7:1-8).

    Christianity not being divided into 12 tribes of Israel to me clearly shows that Christianity has not replaced Israel. In fact it is because there are no instructions to the Church concerning the tribulation period that I believe her to be not present in the world during that 7 or 3.5 year period.

    In my opinion nothing replaces reading the Bible for one’s self. However I envy those who don’t need to know anything else other than they are safe in the arms of God because of their faith in Jesus to be Lord. And can rest in that alone.

    Hoping I haven’t pushed more hot buttons or created more controversy by adding my thoughts today.

    Gray, wet from overnight rain and 48 degrees.


  27. remarutho says:

    Good Morning Mart and Friends —

    “Has God said….?” — as you have said, Mart — was a question dropped into paradise where Adam and Eve were naked, unashamed, innocent and trusting.

    My spirit longs for such a safe place. I believe every human spirit does, though there is much confusion and wearing masks in this fallen world. When pretense is removed, every human heart desires to be accepted, loved and appreciated.

    Christ has secured a future, and even in part a present reality of such goodness, trust and love for anybody who believes his promises and calls Him Lord. Sinners know they are sinners. Trusting God for His goodness is a deliberate choice, no doubt.

    Blessings all day,

  28. poohpity says:

    I can imagine in the early church if the followers of Jesus would have taken a step back and not corrected the influx of false teaching into the church without doing anything about it. Today that influx is more present than ever but sadly those who do lead others to false teaching really, I do not think, know. They have just listened so long without searching for themselves or comparing it to what the Bible says they are led astray out of ignorance then try and lead others down that path. Sheep trying to led sheep, blind leading the blind, evil leading to evil. I have to beware, we have to beware and compare, testing the words of others. Trusting not blindly but purposefully and being earned.

    “Let not any one pacify his conscience by the delusion that he can do no harm if he takes no part, and forms no opinion. Bad men need nothing more to compass their ends, than that good men should look on and do nothing.” John Mill

  29. jeff1 says:

    What God did not say is that you have to save yourself to get to Heaven! The Gospel I knew as a child was that I was a sinner saved by Grace. Between being a child and adult I listened to many Preachers and few of them would reiterate these words which I had been taught by my Parents. After listening to one Preacher in particular I strayed from this simple message. My father had told me that this Preacher was not a man of God but I did not listen! My father’s words came true and so I am back to the simple Gospel, I am just a sinner saved by Grace, Hallelujah, Amen. God’s message is simple when you are a sinner but more difficult for a righteous person and that is why I choose to keep it simple!
    God gives us the freedom to choose so let each man do just that for he in the end is only answerable to God.

  30. narrowpathseeker says:

    Steve…have only 6 minutes!!! Just had to tell you, “Thanks for making me smile”!! Your post at 6:23 about one quoting scripture as to why the insulted party should absorb a kick in the gut…..
    Have a great evening!! LOVE YA

  31. joycemb says:

    Speaking of ‘the insulted party’, Remember John the Baptist? Mark 6:14-29 Now that’s perspective isn’t it! Lets hope we can all keep our heads for a while longer.

    Viv I can’t agree with you more! Less is better oftentimes when it comes to living out our Christianity.

  32. phpatato says:

    Good evening all

    There have been some pretty good comments today. Pearl, I chuckled at Steve’s as well and Joyce, I chuckled at your hoping that we can all keep our heads for a while longer. Laughter is good for the soul!!

    On another note – Joyce, I will continue to keep praying for your granddaughters. “I believe in miracles, for I believe in God”. Hugs xo

  33. SFDBWV says:

    Pearl and Pat I do so appreciate your friendships as it is clear you understand the concept of being the shield that protects the back of a fellow Christian.

    Joyce years ago I had quite a downhearted moment when chastised from the pulpit for saying that John the Baptist was Elijah the Prophet.

    That night I was awaken early by the Holy Spirit and searched out Matthew 11:13, 14. It was about 5 am and while reading my Bible with regards to my search the phone rang.

    I thought who in the world would be calling this time of the morning. It turned out to be a woman from our church who was doing the same thing I was at the same time and she called me very excited to tell me she had also found the very words of Jesus Himself declaring John to be Elijah.

    What a joyous and wonderful moment when the Holy Spirit confirms and comforts.

    Over my lifetime I quickly learned that once the Holy Spirit confirmed what God has said I never felt the need to try and convince another of what He had revealed to me. Their acceptance wasn’t for me to convince or prove to myself any longer.

    33 degrees and it is going to be a beautiful day in May.


  34. poohpity says:

    Mart stated, “Who could count the consequences of not asking that question when faced with the misleading thoughts of misunderstood Scripture, fearful impressions, or the assurances of trusted friends who themselves may have misunderstood who “led them to think or say”— about “what God has said”.” That is so true we must beware as Jesus said, Matt 7:15-16 and before that Jeremiah 23:16.

    Luke 1:17

  35. poohpity says:

    Mart stated, “Who could count the consequences of not asking that question when faced with the misleading thoughts of misunderstood Scripture, fearful impressions, or the assurances of trusted friends who themselves may have misunderstood who “led them to think or say”— about “what God has said”.” That is so true we must beware as Jesus said, Matt 7:15-16 and before that Jeremiah 23:16.

    Luke 1:17

  36. poohpity says:

    I guess I missed in scripture anything about reincarnation. I know other religions believe in that but I never knew that God ever taught it.

  37. poohpity says:

    I believe from what I read that the spiritual purpose of Elijah was fulfilled in John the Baptist but the person of Elijah has not yet come until the Great day of the Lord when He comes in judgement of the World. Malachi 4:5; Zephaniah 1:14; Rev 6:17

  38. poohpity says:

    For further proof at the transfiguration Elijah came back as Elijah and this was after the beheading of John the Baptist. Luke 9:30 KJV

  39. joycemb says:

    Elijah didn’t die, he was taken up in a whirlwind in a chariot so reincarnation wouldn’t fit. But John himself said that he wasn’t Elijah John 1:19-23.

    Steve I think it is so interesting how we grow in grace and knowledge of not only Christ, but of the Bible. Even Strong’s concordance isn’t the standard it once was, as archeology has given us more insight than we have ever had before of Biblical times.

    I too love those “Holy Spirit” like moments, but it doesn’t hurt to test the spirits, for as we know, the enemy comes as a spirit of light, to try and fool the elect! I think that understanding scripture takes a lifetime, and then we will never fully understand it all.
    God bless you in your work today, and thank you for your prayers-you are such a blessed friend to have as well as others on this blog! Joyce

  40. jayemem says:

    Good Morning,

    Am having problems deciding whether to join the conversation or not. Why? Sometimes it is hard to put my thoughts down in an understandable way.

    I think it is important to challenge someone if their use of scripture does not line up with the context. However, an embarrassing occurrence taught me to be more diplomatic in my approach. It also took me quite some time to learn this.

    I had a very good friend who passed away with cancer some years ago now. When we first met, I was her supervisor & she was not a Christian at that point. I had moved to another department when I met her on the elevator one day & she told me about her pending surgery. I told her I would pray for her (she knew I was a Christian). After the surgery, we got together because the whole thing had brought her face to face with ‘where do I go when I die’. To make a long story short, she became a wonderful Christian & the Lord gave her another 15 years.

    What is the point of telling you this? One thing about this friend – even when I was her supervisor – she was a very direct person & would challenge you. This did not change when she became a Christian. Her friendship & her challenges were a great learning experience for me. Her Bible background was slim to none. Thus her challenges came on the basis of what she saw in other Christians. So we had many conversations where I could only share with her from my own experiences & background. Many times when she challenged me, I learned that it was better to ask for time to delve into scripture or get other help. We had some great discussions & I miss her company.

    When I turned 75 last year – it was not a negative – it was however a realization that I was 3/4 of a century old. It was a time to look back & be thankful to the Lord for what He had done & taught me over the years. I have learned to accept the not very happy things that happened because He used those things to grow me & give insight.

    I’m not sure if this deals with Mart’s BTA.

    Have a Blessed day.

    Joyce II

  41. poohpity says:

    Hey good thought on the reincarnation. What word could we use to describe a person coming back as another person or is there even a word for that? We know Moses died but his body was never found yet there he was with Jesus. Lots of times it is beyond what our finite minds can grasp of the infinite at least for my mind anyway. lol

  42. poohpity says:

    But in it all I can hold on to the fact when I go out as Deborah I will come back as Deborah in a new body but still me.

  43. remarutho says:

    Good Afternoon BTA —

    Thanks for the guiding principle, Mart! You wrote:

    “So, let’s try to put ‘has God said?’ in perspective. If what was wrong with the question at first asking was the motive (intent to inspire doubts about the heart of God) (Gen 3:1), what could be safer than to keep asking the same question… in a desire to not lose sight of the goodness, love, and trustworthiness of our Father in heaven.”

    The check upon what Jesus-followers say and do is the motive behind the words or action, it seems to me. We have one lifetime to spend telling the Good News.

    Do we really bring in the kingdom of God when we inject doubt about God’s goodness — or when we accuse and chide fellow sinners? Is it not rather for agents of Christ’s kingdom to bring encouragement to do the right thing — and an increase in faith among those around us?

    What “Has God Said?”


  44. SFDBWV says:

    Matthew 17:10, 11, 12, 13.

    Like I said it is not for me to convince anyone, I already understand. Matthew 11:14 “and if you will receive it, this is Elias which is to come.”

    It appears Jesus knew some would “receive it” and some would not.

    That’s good enough for me.


  45. joycemb says:

    Steve I hear you, but disagree with the way you are interpreting these scriptures. No problem. I am agreeable to disagree.

  46. joycemb says:

    Maru I like your post today. I just found a plaque I’m putting on my wall. It goes,

    “Happiness is good health and a bad memory”.

    This works for us Christians as well as our non-believing neighbors.

  47. poohpity says:

    All of us are given the purpose of pointing people to God through what Jesus did then the one instance of someone going into the body of another was only done with how the Holy Spirit was gifted to us. But how do we know if it is God’s Spirit speaking to us? How can one recognize the voice of God’s Spirit unless one has grown to know Him?

    If we took off the people’s handles for instance on this website could you still recognize who was writing in other words, their voice? Just like in school when people plagiarize papers the instructor who has read their papers all semester can recognize whether or not if the writers voice is coming through or whether it is from someone else. Having the scriptures we can learn to recognize God’s voice because it stays true to itself, trustworthiness. If it has never been done before and goes against God’s principles then we learn to discern if it truly is God speaking to us but if it goes against His character or things He has done in the past of what we have been told of the future then it is probably not from God.

  48. poohpity says:

    When we listen to that inner voice that tells us we are worthless, or we will never amount to anything, or only if we do certain things God will love us or love us more, or we are a failure, or there no hope of anything ever changing, or God has forsaken us, or God is angry with us then maybe it is just an inner voice but not what God says.

  49. jeff1 says:

    Has God Said I am to walk by faith or by sight? To walk by faith in my mind is to walk with uncertainty in the here and now with the promise of eternal life with God. I can expect difficulties as well as blessings but either way I need to trust God. One person’s life could have more difficulties and another’s more blessings but God is still a just God so trust in His judgements. It is God who has the bigger picture in that He is all knowing where as I only know in part. I must get to the place where I trust God completely in all areas of my life.

  50. SFDBWV says:

    The question Mart has posed, as well as the serpent ask Eve, is “Has God said?” it is a question, questioning what God said.

    God said that in the day they ate of the fruit they would die. (Genesis 2:17), Satan baits Eve into a trap by asking “hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree in the garden?” After Eve’s response the serpent makes a statement in contrast to what God said by stating “Ye shall not surely die:”

    What takes place after Eve and then Adam eat the forbidden fruit is that immediately they did not die in the purest sense of death of the body. The serpent was right in that sense and time frame.

    From this point forward we as readers can see what actually did die in that moment as we have the privilege of seeing the story from the perspective of hind sight.

    Innocence died immediately and the purest relationship between God and man died immediately, trust was replace by confusion. Creation itself was altered and broken immediately, and in due time Adam and Eve died.

    If we believe in life after death then we also believe that even after their death their spirits continued to live in that place where spirits go when they leave the body.

    Many thousands of years later we read that God is not the author of confusion (1 Corinthians 14:33). What once was simple and easy to accept; asking the question “has God said” with intent to sew confusion, does just that, challenge us to seek the truth by confusing the issue.

    In my little exercise concerning John the Baptist, I have taken what Jesus said at face value, I haven’t added a thing to it. Interpreting what He said beyond what He said, to me means trying to make personal sense of it by biased standards already in place in one’s mind.

    Already having a bias means that we all are going to interpret as we already want to.

    So who is right and who is wrong? God wasn’t wrong when He said death would come from eating the forbidden fruit, whereas it didn’t come in the purest sense on that day, it did begin on that day it just took a lifetime to finish.

    The serpent wasn’t right in that death would not occur, it just took time to come to be.

    It seems that truth and time work together in this realm of existence.


  51. remarutho says:

    Good Morning All —

    What God is saying is most often encountered in the Old and New Testaments of the Bible. Not to discount those who believe in the Creator God and hear from God directly, we condition our hearts and our ears to know the cadence, the tone and the meaning of what God has said by taking in the Holy Scriptures.

    So, what has God most often said? Unlike Adam and Eve, we have a full canon of the words God has spoken to and through humans.

    Last evening I came upon this gem in the Epistle to the Romans:

    “…do you think lightly of the riches of His kindness and tolerance and patience, not knowing that the kindness of God leads you to repentance?” (Romans 2:4)

    We might study the words or phrases God has used most often down through the books of the Bible to derive an idea of what God has said. But it seems to me Paul is asking the congregations in Rome — and hearers in every subsequent place and time — how to listen to God. What is the attitude we are to bring to the Word given to us out of many times and circumstances through the years?

    Have to agree with you, Mart, when you say:

    “…what could be safer than to keep asking the same question… in a desire to not lose sight of the goodness, love, and trustworthiness of our Father in heaven.”

    Blessings all day!

  52. remarutho says:

    What are we doing when we presume on or take lightly the magnificent character of God, from whom all goodness and light come forth?

    Are we not putting our own ideas, our own attitudes, our own selves in the place of God?

    I repent of having that devilish attitude.

  53. joycemb says:

    Maru along the lines of what you just said I have had a question on my mind. The question is that I am wondering if I don’t insert myself into scripture at times to make it say what fits my personal agenda? Making God to say what I’d LIKE to hear Him say about myself and others. I too repent of USING God to promote my own comfort zone of living.

  54. joycemb says:

    My sincere apologies to all for using Gods Word to justify at times my own Holiness at the expense of others. Only God has the right to judge and only His Son has done what was needed to save us from ourselves and certain death. Please forgive me for offending by judging anyone here. Joyce

  55. poohpity says:

    Steve, my heart broke this morning reading your comment and especially equating the question Mart asked with what Satan asked in the garden that is not at all what this topic is speaking to, it is obvious there is a misunderstanding. Satan has a stronghold when we break down learning what God has said into one having to be wrong so that another may be right. We are humbly learning together about God never fully understanding until the day we see Him face to face.(1 Cor 13:12 NLT) I prayed for your confusion and misunderstanding.

    Maru and Joyce I so agree that we often take our own personal agenda, prejudices and baggage when we read scripture. May God enlighten us to see and hear what he would like us to discover about Him through His Word.

  56. poohpity says:

    I think we learn from God when we realize just exactly who we are broken, incomplete, finite, beings. That puts us in a position of knowing we do not know it all and be willing to learn, to be students walking into a classroom(the world) to learn from the One who has omnipotent(unlimited power), omnipresence(being everywhere) and omniscience(all knowing).

  57. poohpity says:

    If I understand what Mart is saying it seems to be more like what Paul, Peter and John teaches as well as OT prophets (1John 4:1 NLT; Jeremiah 14:14; 23:16)

  58. narrowpathseeker says:

    Steve…I too experienced a rude encounter with a pastor when I merely ASKED about the scripture you are talking about. I also had an unbelievable experience in regard to it and “I received it” as well, but I rarely discuss it with Christians because of some of their reactions. I will fill you in when I get time. Meantime please put on your rhinoceros skin and smile..

    The weather here in NC is BEAUTIFUL..I’m learning how to garden here in this climate…and I think the moon is full… ;-)

  59. foreverblessed says:

    Has God said, as a good question, when Steve mentioned that he ditake at face value something what Jesus had said,
    it did ring a bell with me: Do I take at face value hwat Jesus has said?
    With that in mind reading Psalm 119, from Alfa along the other 22 letters of the alphabet, right to the Omega, taking at face value what Jesus said.

    Then I was thinking have I ever taken His Word litereally: Turn the other cheeck.
    Have I ever in my life turned around to another person who insulted me, and said: I have another side that you can insult, go ahead.

    But that is my personal question, it does not have to be any other person’s question, especially when someone has been badly abused, I do not believe that the Holy Spirit would bring that question to mind, rather : comfort…

    This whole thing is about the Holy Spirit leading us, and we asking for the lead:
    Like Cbrown said last week, in the former topic
    Now this is the confidence that we have in Him, that if we ask anything according to His will, He hears us” (1 John 5:16)”and add Hebrews 11:6
    If I use that in asking in anything what Jesus has said, the Holy Spirit will give an answer.
    (Like I was looking with my whole heart this question of lost souls, and God answered me).

  60. foreverblessed says:

    Chris, do you also use these scriptures when going into prison, and asking for the saving of the souls of the inmates?

  61. SFDBWV says:

    If I were to paraphrase our subject title it would sound something like this; “Yea, but did God actually say?”

    Leaving the conversation in the garden for a moment, I go to a conversation in the wilderness between Jesus and Satan. (Matthew 4:1-11) and (Luke 4:1-13) here we read Satan quoting some Scripture (Psalms 91:11) and taunting Jesus with statements about God’s creative powers (Matthew 4:3) as well as misleading about God giving he (Satan) power (Matthew 4:6).

    All of Jesus’ rebuttal’s are what God said accurately; Deuteronomy 8:3, Deuteronomy 6:16, and Deuteronomy 6:13

    Being subtle means sly and sneaky as well. Without realizing it all too often we all are guilty of challenging what God said, in as I said earlier a biased frame of mind, allowing that same spirit of Satan’s to come in and use or twist what God has said.

    At the beginning of this subject I said “shields up”, it is imperative that we also have on our helmets as well.

    What goes into the head will also end up in the heart and so the breastplate is needed, our only non-defensive weapon the sword of truth in which can either be at the ready or used as Jesus did.


  62. jeff1 says:

    The state of the world today tells us ‘What God Did’ is in the end more important than what He said. He sent His son to put right what our original Parents had done wrong. The world does not change much and today our views on God are as contentious as they were in the days of our forefathers. Listening to the Sermon on Sunday the Preacher remarked on how in Countries like China and Russia it is now more common to see people reading their Bibles in public than is likely in Britain or America. God works in mysterious ways but it seems to me what God does is that if one nation fails God will take it to another and it is likely from what the Bible says that it is the same with individuals. As I see it the population of the world has increased and God has more choice than He ever had in choosing whom He will for His purposes.
    My personal fear is that I have failed God through negligence and that is why I focus on Christ, because that is where I find peace, others will have a different journey and the Spirit will lead them accordingly.

  63. jeff1 says:

    What is more important than “What God Said” is “What God Done” He sent His son to undo what our original Parents had done. The world has not changed much in that our views on God are as contentious now as they were in the days of our forefathers. Listening to the Sermon on Sunday our Preacher spoke of how in China and Russia you are more likely to see people reading the Bible than in Britain or America. God works in mysterious ways and He uses people from all nations. It would seem that when either nation or individuals fail God will take it to another. I fear that God can not use me due to past neglect and so I focus on Christ for peace of mind. This is my journey and everyone should go by how the spirit leads them which is their journey.

  64. poohpity says:

    jeff1, you have not failed God in any way when you have in fact laid hold of the most important thing, believing in Christ and what He has done for you. (John 6:28-29 NLT) You do not boast in how spirit filled you are or how much you know or do not know but just in Jesus Christ. That to me is what it is all about and you got it.

  65. poohpity says:

    jeff1, you have not failed God in any way when you have in fact laid hold of the most important thing, believing in Christ and what He has done for you. (John 6:28-29 NLT) You do not boast in how spirit filled you are or how much you know or do not know but just in Jesus Christ. That to me is what it is all about and you got it.

  66. jeff1 says:

    I do hope you are right Pooh for my head is all over the place at times and yet my heart says you are right that I have got what really matters. If my heart feels so strongly it cannot be wrong can it? Its like God is telling me everything is OK but the voices around me and in my head say differently and confusion sets in and upsets my joy and I get overwhelmingly sad and its like I am on a roller-coaster of sadness and joy and I am not quite sure which way I am! Thank you for the verse:John6:28-29NLT I badly need it today!

  67. cbrown says:

    Foreverblessed, when I first began volunteering in the prison ministry I refreshed myself by making sure I had some key Scriptures at hand like Proverbs 3:5-7. I memorized Ephesians 6:10-18 because I knew I needed God’s armor and personalized it into a prayer to share with the inmates.I went through the Lord’s prayer and the 23rd Psalm and also John 1:9 and do regularly.God has grown my faith and so now I can share with an inmate that has a life sentence with no chance of parole John 10:10(Christ speaking)”I came that they might have life and might have it abundantly.1 John 5:11 “And the testimony is this, that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. 12 He who has the Son has the life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have the life
    13 These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life. 14 This is the confidence which we have [l]before Him, that, if we ask anything according to His will, He hears us. 15 And if we know that He hears us in whatever we ask, we know that we have the requests which we have asked from Him.

  68. poohpity says:

    jeff1 it is not about me being right that is what Jesus said. His love for you was shown in His out stretched arms and if that is the only thing we know that is enough. Rest in that love and let no one tell you any different not even your own mind. :-)

  69. jeff1 says:

    Yes Pooh, I understand, that is why you quoted me the verse because it is what Jesus said, and that is enough for me for I believe God would not say what He did not mean and God’s spirit in me reveals the truth which aligns with the Father and the son. I must keep my mind free from anything which is not in keeping with the spirit so God help me to do this for it is God’s will I wish to do and not my own. God help me to overcome the fear I have because of past neglect in doing your will! God give me peace of mind so that I can rest in you completely! God make me whole again! God make us all whole again! Amen.

  70. poohpity says:

    Amen!!! I also struggle with the messages I say to myself that do not in any way go along with who I am to God. It is a constant battle ground in my mind and from the enemies who would like nothing more than for me to live under condemnation, accusations, slander, malice and just plain ugliness etc. so that is why I fill my mind with God’s word and cling to Him. Jesus has our back so that we can turn the other cheek and rebuke those things and people that do not fit who we are in Christ Jesus. So I will join in with you in prayer for right believing that we will grow up in Him. Lord we believe, help with our unbelief. (Romans 8:1,39)

  71. poohpity says:

    Everyday we begin with a fresh day to experience His mercies (Heb 8:12; 10:23; Lamentations 3:22-24)

  72. poohpity says:

    And the Holy Spirit helps us in our weakness. For example, we don’t know what God wants us to pray for. But the Holy Spirit prays for us with groanings that cannot be expressed in words. And the Father who knows all hearts knows what the Spirit is saying, for the Spirit pleads for us believers in harmony with God’s own will. And we know that God causes everything to work together for the good of those who love God and are called according to his purpose for them. For God knew his people in advance, and he chose them to become like his Son, so that his Son would be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters. And having chosen them, he called them to come to him. And having called them, he gave them right standing with himself. And having given them right standing, he gave them his glory.

    What shall we say about such wonderful things as these? If God is for us, who can ever be against us? Since he did not spare even his own Son but gave him up for us all, won’t he also give us everything else? Who dares accuse us whom God has chosen for his own? No one—for God himself has given us right standing with himself. Who then will condemn us? No one—for Christ Jesus died for us and was raised to life for us, and he is sitting in the place of honor at God’s right hand, pleading for us.

    Can anything ever separate us from Christ’s love? Does it mean he no longer loves us if we have trouble or calamity, or are persecuted, or hungry, or destitute, or in danger, or threatened with death? (As the Scriptures say, “For your sake we are killed every day; we are being slaughtered like sheep.”o) No, despite all these things, overwhelming victory is ours through Christ, who loved us.

    And I am convinced that nothing can ever separate us from God’s love. Neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons,p neither our fears for today nor our worries about tomorrow—not even the powers of hell can separate us from God’s love. No power in the sky above or in the earth below—indeed, nothing in all creation will ever be able to separate us from the love of God that is revealed in Christ Jesus our Lord.

  73. jeff1 says:

    Hallelujah Pooh God is always with us no matter what our circumstances write these words in our hearts so that nothing can remove God’s peace which surpasses understanding.

  74. poohpity says:

    Ohh yes ma’am. I wish they could be branded in our minds as well. :-) But until such time all we have to do is call out, “Jesus”. It is amazing what happens when His name is mentioned.

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