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Unimaginable— Part 1


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Childlikeness renews wonder that childishness reasons away.

But if that’s the case, it may not be readily apparent in the the Apostle Paul’s often quoted,

When I was a child, I spoke, thought, and reasoned as a child. But when I grew up, I put away childish things.

What is clear is that, whatever Paul meant by “childish things”, he allowed room for childlike wonder when he added, “Now we see things imperfectly, like puzzling reflections in a mirror, but then we will see everything with perfect clarity. All that I know now is partial and incomplete, but then I will know everything completely, just as God now knows me completely.” (1Cor 13:11-13).

Earlier in the same letter, Paul took the risk of writing out loud about a childishness that had led his readers to reason themselves into different corners on many issues (1Cor 3:1-3). With the gentleness of a loving parent he led squabbling sons and daughters of God to the childlike ABCs of something better than what they thought was worth fighting about (1Cor 13:4-7) (1Cor 14:20).

Paul seems to have learned by experience that, while childishness slams doors and burns bridges, childlikeness frees us to look beyond ourselves—and beyond our own desires and dreams— to possibilities and worlds unimaginable.

In the same letter he wrote, “No eye has seen, no ear has heard, and no mind has imagined what God has prepared for those who love him.” (1Cor 2:9)

But I’m wondering whether a traditional approach to interpreting that passage in light of its context in 1Cor 2:8 might—quite ironically— contribute to the childishness Paul goes on to discourage (1Cor 3:1-3). Hope exploring an additional question next time will give us more to think about and imagine together.

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57 Responses to “Unimaginable— Part 1”

  1. narrowpathseeker says:

    I am guessing that like everything else, as mere fallible humans, we share different views as to how childishness and childlikeness differ. What some may think is burning bridges and slamming doors, others may see as Matthew 10:14 ‘shaking the dust from our feet” or 2nd Timothy 3:5 “from such turn away”. There are so many mitigating factors to some matters that it is amazing that so many can actually agree on anything at times.

    Right now we have a guest that is pretty much a stranger to us, but we both liked him, felt sorry for him and offered a helping hand. After the first week, I see him in an entirely different light and I have to pray for patience and strength throughout the day. I have not said a word about my diminished desire to help this man to anyone but God and now here to you. I can only hope that Frank sees it the same way and that we can shake the dust as opposed to slamming the door.

  2. poohpity says:

    I think shaking the dust off one’s feet was in reference to those who did not want to hear about the Gospel or the things of God so did not invite the disciples into their homes or towns or blogs to share. Matt 10-:13-14; Mark 6:11

  3. poohpity says:

    Matt 10:13-14

  4. poohpity says:

    Jesus spoke of revealing His message to those who are open to learning like a child is full of wonder. (Matt 11:25-26) But it seems that Paul was speaking of the very basics of our faith and if we have not yet come to believe that how can they learn anything further. Thinking of the things of God in a worldly fashion not in a spiritual manner.

  5. poohpity says:

    The people in the church of Corinth were still bickering, striving with each other, causing divisions and acting out in jealousy so Paul reasoned with them if they still were doing those things how would they ever come to a place to understanding the deeper meanings of Spiritual matters.

  6. joycemb says:

    Pearl prayers for you along with discernment as to how long to accommodate your guest. I guess I’m thinking of Ecclesiastes where it talks about times and seasons. Be safe friend!

  7. jeff1 says:

    God does not reveal to all, but to those He has chosen to reveal to, as they have reached that maturity.

    It is why I must focus on Christ’s teaching because He is the true vine and growth comes from Him.

    Your description of the church of Corinth, Pooh, can be seen today in many churches which means men repeat the mistakes of the past and that God knows mankind much better than mankind knows Him!

  8. SFDBWV says:

    If you watch the Weather Channel here in the USA you have most likely seen Jim Cantore go off in an excited leaping joy when he experiences snow lightning. If you had received a Christmas card from me you would have seen my hand blocking the sun so that I could take a picture of the “glory” or rainbow in a perfect circle around it.

    Just a few topics back many of us shared our enjoyment and excitement at seeing rainbows.

    They are all explainable, but for us we don’t care about the explanation, we just love the experience.

    Childlike? Maybe or maybe just enjoyment without letting the trolls in our world steal our joy.

    Paul wants his listeners and readers to see their faith in adult terms, while remaining childlike in their innocence. How is this accomplished?

    Most of us recognize the term “playground” rules, as children behave childish when dealing with each other. It is no different in adult life as some people never grow up and their childish behavior is always evident to everyone except them.

    Jesus wants us to love each other, but such people test the very fiber and content of such a command. For most of us removing ourselves from the irritant is the easiest way to deal with childish behavior from adult people who after being told time and time again of their childishness never see it and so just get worse.

    Breaking it down to a view I can defend in the idea of removing oneself from the problem, I see that in the end of all things God puts all the ones and all the things that are cause for unhappiness into an eternal lake of fire.

    If God sees the only way to rid oneself of a problem is to remove the problem, why can’t we.

    So in the playground of life after all other measures of reason have been rejected it might just be best to walk away. Just as Pearl has stated using the concept to walk away from the person she has spoken of. Pontius Pilate even did so when he washed his hands of the matter of crucifying an innocent man.

    Growing up usually means giving up a great many childlike wonders, but each wonder needs to be measured as to its importance in the big picture.

    Just don’t let someone else steal your childlikeness by their childishness however it is you can.

    04 degrees, up from 01 this morning.


  9. poohpity says:

    Viv that was not my description of the church in Corinth but Paul’s. 1 Cor 3:3

  10. remarutho says:

    Good Morning BTA Friends —

    Have been getting a “bad gateway” message when trying to get to Been Thinking About. At last I am able to log on! Winter storm has coated our roads with about an inch of black ice the past 24 hours. Please pray for those who live shelterless and with no means to keep warm. 0C/32F in the valley this morning.

    Appreciate the comments that are pointing out that the worldly way of thinking excludes (slams a door on?) the wisdom from above Paul mentions in 1 Cor 2:8. The Apostle James also speaks of this wisdom that is not of this world. (James 3:17)

    Paul is so right, in my opinion, that if the “rulers of this age” had a clue about spiritual realities, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. But that great sacrifice of the worthy Lamb, though caused by the childish rejection of humans, is the most important saving event in the history of the universe. Go figure.

    My Bible footnotes cite Isaiah 64:4 as a source for Paul’s quotation (1 Cor 2:9) that highlights things which are unimaginable for the human mind — only accessible to those who have the “mind of Christ.” (1 Cor 2:16) Perhaps maturity in the Lord includes a discernment beyond material things.

    Paul tells the Corinthian congregation a bit about his vision of the “third heaven,” in which he experienced Paradise, and heard words of truth (2 Cor 12:4, 6) It might be foolish to share such a treasure with the immature. These Corinthians seem to be babies in the things of God’s kingdom.


  11. poohpity says:

    He seemed to be saying that if you are still acting in childish ways then is one really ready to understand more spiritual matters??

  12. poohpity says:

    Maru, typing at the same time. Really good thoughts :-)

  13. remarutho says:

    Hi Pooh —

    Believe you are correct on the understanding part. Seems the congregation at Corinth is squabbling about who leads them — Paul or Apollos. Seriously. Remind you of any particular congregation? Please don’t answer that.

    Paul’s teaching is for all times, not just the 1st c. AD. He says, “For no man can lay a foundation other than the one which is laid, which is Jesus Christ.” (1 Cor 3:11) That is the bottom line, it seems to me.

    Corinthians chapter 3 strongly presents the only foundation for living: Jesus Christ. It may be some in the congregation at Corinth are claiming to be wise — but clearly only in terms of worldly wisdom. Corinth is a town with lots of pagan temples and lots of false teaching.

    The great paradox is that the wisdom from above is “foolishness” to the worldly mind — so, the truth is that all things belong to God’s faithful — who belong to Christ — who belongs to God. (1 Cor 3:21, 22, 23)

    It is unimaginable to the childish that complete dependence upon and complete surrender to the Lord Jesus is the only true basis for life. Very frustrating for the Apostle Paul I believe.

    Yours in Christ,

  14. joycemb says:

    Paul’s letter to the Corinthian church was not meant to be a put-down but a rather wordy (as per his usual style) exhortation to live better as adult children of God, comparing spiritual growth to human growth. We are all in the process, struggling to ‘outgrow’ if you will, this earthly tent we are encased in, while remembering we are all cracked pots in jars of clay. Have a good day all.

  15. joycemb says:

    Thinking…doesn’t faith call for child-like wonder?

  16. narrowpathseeker says:

    Steve. I forgot to thank you for the wonderful Christmas card you, Glenna, and Matthew created. The sunset is absolutely gorgeous! Anyway thank you. Also we only got about an inch of snow here but some relatives in Charleston area about 2 and 1/2 hours from here got almost a foot!! It is however much colder than usual and the snow turned to sleet in the end and the roads are still icy.

    Joyce, thank you for the prayers. I am beginning to see it as a test.. I think I have shared my thoughts on enjoying doing good unto those in need. AND this is how it started out with this guest, but now I am not enjoying it at all. I am just being obedient to doing good unto those who use you. I also am able to share scripture up to 3x a day before meals when I feel the Lord has given me something He wants me to share. We will be driving him back tomorrow (3hour drive)as his room is supposed to be ready so I should be able to say that I saw this through by tomorrow afternoon..I truly believe that doing good that is difficult and brings you no pleasurable feel good about it sensations is far more rewarding or this is the way it has seemed to work out for me in the past Again…thank you for your prayers Joyce

  17. joycemb says:

    Pearl I understand. Seeing Jesus in the face of the poor takes a while to learn, it did for me anyway and sometimes my emotions want to get in the way but by offering even those to God as you did is just part of being human I think anyway. Emotions can also be signs telling us something needs to change. The samaritan man that helped the the poor guy on the road had money enough to put him up in a room, then went on his way. Takes a village as Hillary said. :-)

  18. joycemb says:

    Pearl I think we can feel good about doing as much as we are able to do. Then let whatever still needs to be done go with a prayer for a prosperous journey with Christ as the guide. Well done you are Gods faithful servant!

  19. SFDBWV says:

    Pearl you and Frank are more than welcome for our little yearly album I send as Christmas cards. It is a sunrise as I am always up and about that time of the morning and every season has its own signature sunrises, I try to get them all.

    With the sunrise in the east I always feel closer to God somehow as with the sunrise comes life.

    You are preaching to the choir when it comes to helping people that turn out to be a problem more than a blessing, or so it seems. Over my life I have been backstabbed more times than I like to remember for doing the right thing, but I will continue to as the next person is not guilty of being the last one.

    I am glad to hear you didn’t get too much snow as they thought possible, but ice is worse.

    Mart is taking us through a mini Bible study of what Paul may have been trying to accomplish by swinging back and forth between an infant in Christ and an adult Christian. I have found that if we get stuck in one area or in one verse of Scripture we never grow beyond it, the key being that we do grow beyond being an infant, from milk to meat with the Holy Spirit’s help.

    Paul gets even angry at times with the people he is teaching within the churches he is establishing, for their foolishness. The most famous being when they all got circumcised because of Jewish influence upon them. They were just not adult enough to recognize bad doctrine/teachers.

    No matter where we may go with this subject, it will come down to trusting only God, not people, being the best advice. Looking over the roadblocks to the destination ahead.

    It has warmed up to 06 degrees and with a clear sky it will be a cold night ahead, looking forward to that sunrise in the morning.


  20. narrowpathseeker says:

    Steve…I had to go look again at the front of your card. WOW…I have never seen a sunrise like that!! Rising or setting…it is absolutely gorgeous….that is a great shot!! You are Blessed…enjoy that Sunrise Steve.

    Hmmm I spent about 20 minutes typing my thoughts on Childishness vs childlikeness and when I was done, “I” didn’t even understand what I was talking about. I guess I will pass for now.

    Have a Blessed evening all.

  21. narrowpathseeker says:

    Joyce. I am thinking that when we feel super good about doing something good that the “super good” feeling is our Blessing. However, it seems that when I do good unto someone that is ungrateful, unremorseful, and just using people any which way they can, I don’t get that super good feeling…I have to go to the Lord for help and tell Him I am sorry for not WANTING to do the right thing, BUT if I do it anyway…the Lord BLESSES me far beyond the good feeling I didn’t have while doing it.. Ok…I reread that and I just can’t seem to articulate what I am trying to express. I will try again tomorrow or the next day. :-) Have a good night

  22. joycemb says:

    No worries Pearl I get what you mean. If I do whatever is set before me as unto the LORD my emotions will follow my mind (decisions). The hard part is sometimes getting the emotions to submit to a Higher authority. “Come to me all you who labor and are heavy laden and I will give you rest”. His yoke is easy as we are joined to/with Him in whatever the task.

    Its been fun watching you grow this past year Pearl. Blessings, Joyce

  23. joycemb says:

    Or maybe I’m not getting what you mean Pearl? Very possible.

  24. SFDBWV says:

    It may disturb some to read of Greek mythology that there is a place called “The Infernal Regions” and a “Judgement Hall of Rhadamanthus” who brings to light crimes done in life, which the perpetrator though vainly hid.

    The “infernal regions” is the Greeks concept of hell with detailed punishments given out to those whose punishments fit their lives.

    Amazingly the punishment of “Sisyphus” sounds so familiar to many here in this life. Doomed for eternity to roll a large bolder up a steep hill only when reaching the top, having to do it all over again.

    Paul had quite a task to separate generational religious beliefs from the reality of Jesus of Nazareth and the “Truth” that Jesus brought to light about spiritual life and living here and now.

    From my understanding the idea that mere normal mortal humans could be forgiven for their life’s errors and miss-steps and able to live in a forever eternal existence of unimaginable paradise would have been readily accepted by such people. Who already believed in heaven and hell and the hopelessness of being mortal.

    Paul’s task then was to separate fact from fiction and the most daunting task of all to deal with a multitude of personalities all with different views and understandings of what this “new” faith was all about.

    While we have the letters of Paul, what we don’t have is a clear view of his readers and listeners reactions. Only ourselves and those around us here and now who still read the same messages, for the same reasons and needs.

    Jesus was less detailed when He said to His disciples to be “wise as serpents and harmless as doves.” Matthew 10:16 KJV

    However I think He summed it up nicely, in what Paul is trying to teach to his new converts.

    05 degrees, up from 0 overnight, rain tomorrow.


  25. poohpity says:

    Maru, I think that was part of the problem but the biggest problem that Paul was addressing was that a man had relations with his father’s wife and did not even try to hide it. If we want to know what the people were like in those times all we have to do is look in the mirror because the same problems haunt humanity today.

    Quarreling over who is the greatest or wanting people to follow us rather than pointing them to God. People want praise for doing good but in the life of following Jesus we do good things for Him and if our reward does not come until we get to heaven then so be it. Maturing in faith(childlike) one does because of what was done for us but being childish one does for what they will get back and the desire to please man or get the praise of man. Childishness puts up walls and grudges that not even apologies can bring down causing the same squabbles over and over again maybe not with the same people but with others as well.

    Childishness looks continually at the acts of others but the childlike wonder of knowing the the Lord one tends to look within claiming the extraordinary wonder of what the Lord did for me even knowing me so well, it is truly unimaginable the grace I have been shown. Realizing that I look at the wonder and freedom bestowed on me to do as much good, show as much kindness and patience as God has showed me.

    In love and care for that new church in Corinth issues needed to be addressed or it would bring ruin to that fledgling church. Paul did not seem to be talking about their humanness because they were still acting as if they never accepted Jesus there was no change in their behaviors. They still looked so much like the world around them fussing and fighting over everything yet not taking care of the blatant sexual sin. But Paul had that childlike hope not in them but in the Lord that when he held the mirror up to their childish behaviors they may develop a repentant heart.

  26. poohpity says:

    Which they did!!

  27. poohpity says:

    All the letters to the different churches in the NT addressed problems in many different areas but the main focus was to develop the childlike faith in the One they said they worshiped rather than depending on the thoughts, ways and behaviors of their old nature.

  28. SFDBWV says:

    These past few very cold days I have given extra feed to the birds and critters that feed outside my window upon my heart shaped rock.

    Ironic that that large rock has a crack down the middle of it.

    A broken heart.

    We so enjoy all the various birds that come to feed and of course the fat gray squirrels that also enjoy the sunflower seeds.

    Every so often when I look there is nothing to be seen anywhere. It is then that I know to look for a predator in the area.

    Twice the past couple days the Gosh hawk has settled in the trees above the yard to await his impending meal.

    All the critter vanish into hiding until the hawk leaves.

    What is amazing to me is that these “dumb” animals and “bird brained” birds know the danger of the hawk.

    They know if they come in they will be attacked and eaten, they understand death.

    These “animals” are wise enough to know danger and yet innocent enough to expect to find food in the worst of conditions.

    As adult Christians we need to know the dangers that surround us and come against us and how to survive, all the while innocent enough to be surprised when and from where it may come.

    God is seen and teaches from the natural things around us we need only to observe and learn.

    Blessings to all today.


  29. jeff1 says:

    Pooh, isn’t it biblical that the same problems will haunt humanity today?

    I look at my own country, it is almost 20 years into the peace process and once more our countries Government is on the verge of collapsing because our Politician behave like children in a playground!

    In the communities that where so badly hit by the troubles the ordinary people who suffered so much are getting on trying to make the best of what peace we have while they squabble and misuse funding and once again our country is in disarray.

    We need leaders that behave like grown ups but today it is difficult to tell the children from the adults.

    If it where not for ‘Jesus of Nazareth’ it would seem we are doomed to repeat the same mistakes over and over again because I do not see anyone in my onw country learning especially those who need to i.e. the rulers of today.

    Why would they change, when they believe, their ways are right, and when their ways are man driven, and not God given that spells doomed in my book.

  30. remarutho says:

    Good Morning All —

    Mart, you wrote:

    “Paul seems to have learned by experience that, while childishness slams doors and burns bridges, child-likeness frees us to look beyond ourselves—and beyond our own desires and dreams— to possibilities and worlds unimaginable.”

    This freedom of being childlike seems to be an attitude of allowing God to direct all things. Someone mentioned the Apostle Paul’s patience with the people of the Corinthian church.

    He has nurtured and taught them — yet, not all have been able to let go of the selfish need to be the center of their own lives — rather than looking beyond themselves to the greatest good to which Jesus leads us.

    Perhaps that is how Paul could say to them:

    “Brothers, do not be children in your thinking. Be infants in evil, but in your thinking be mature.” (1 Cor 14:20)

    It seems to me this is part of Paul’s teaching about being “dead to sin, and alive to God in Christ Jesus.”

    What we feed grows stronger — what we starve diminishes and has less power over us in our thoughts and behavior.

    Joy all day,

    01C/33F here with steady, cold drizzle

  31. joycemb says:

    Maru as I’ve changed from a high fat diet to low I’ve the past month I sure can attest to what you said being true:
    What we feed grows stronger — what we starve diminishes and has less power over us in our thoughts and behavior.

  32. jeff1 says:

    Paul, practiced what he preached, and today, many preach to others but do not live accordingly, its do as I say not as I do.

    Religions have taken over from the truth of the gospel and that is the reason so many today have lost their way.

    I visited an elderly Roman Catholic woman who told me she always did what the priest said because he could curse you if you did not and yet she still seen him as a Christian.

    I have difficulty understanding this mentality as I would have not believed that anyone would think this way but I knew by her that she was convinced he had powers to hurt her.

    I guess when you have lived with this belief since you were a child and she was now in her 80’s she was not going to understand any different.

    We live in a very diverse world and also a wayward one where ‘dead to sin in reality means dead to this world’.

    I must keep looking to Heaven for my strength because it is going to get worse rather than better to my way of thinking.

    Christ crucified
    Christ risen
    Christ will come again

  33. jeff1 says:

    Thinking that Paul being once an enemy of Jesus now understood better then the others because he was completely changed by God and it is seen right through his life.

    His desire to change I believe comes from the heart of a man who knew how easy it is to be an enemy of God while many fail to see because they never seen themselves an enemy of God in the true sense of the word enemy.

    What I am trying to say is that Paul experienced being an enemy while many say the words without truly knowing what it feels like.

  34. jeff1 says:

    Paul’s relationship to Jesus was closer then his relationship to his associates.

  35. poohpity says:

    Viv, yes exactly. Paul knew what his actions were before He met Jesus on that road to Damascus. 1 Tim 1:15 NLT That is why he seemed to have patience, compassion and grace when correcting people in the churches he started. Knowing the condition of our own hearts lends first and foremost to the amount of grace we been shown and how much we show others.

  36. poohpity says:

    I know for myself before I say anything about anyone else the Lord always brings to mind all the areas that still need His touch in my life and reminds me of all that He has forgiven me for.

  37. poohpity says:

    Matt 9:13; Mark 2:17; Luke 15:2

  38. poohpity says:

    Now if that is not the unimaginable I do not know what is. Thank you Jesus

  39. street says:

    came across this verse today in regard to if.

    [40] A man with leprosy came to him and begged him on his knees, “If you are willing, you can make me clean.” [41] Jesus was indignant. He reached out his hand and touched the man. “I am willing,” he said. “Be clean!”

    i am thinking the indignation came as a response from the idea that God may not want you to be clean. thinking about that fact there is no if with God. the if is from mans falleness. God uses everything to build depth to His children. just thinking again. the if is removed at the cross, then the transformation begins.

    from utmost for His Highest today…. But the cleansing from sin we experience will reach to the heights and depths of our spirit if we will “walk in the light as He is in the light” (1 John 1:7). The same Spirit that fed the life of Jesus Christ will feed the life of our spirit. It is only when we are protected by God with the miraculous sacredness of the Holy Spirit that our spirit, soul, and body can be preserved in pure uprightness until the coming of Jesus-no longer condemned in God’s sight.

  40. SFDBWV says:

    If you ask a child what their vision of heaven is what might you get as a response? Most likely a child’s view.

    If you ask a teenager the same question, still you get a teenagers response.

    If you now ask a young adult, you now would expect a more adult explanation, but then.

    When you ask an old person the answer may be very different.

    The only thing we have to draw from is our earthly views and life experiences. To say that we are not spiritual enough to look beyond that which we know, leaves us with only our imagination to fill in what we have no experience in ever having seen or possibly can comprehend.

    Even then we still are chained to our fleshly understanding of everything.

    If you tell a child that God has great plans for them and then life proves otherwise, who then is at fault for a less than happy life?

    We must be very careful when we think we can speak for God or explain away every disappointment from our dark and blurred vision of life. We more likely than not will just end up sounding foolish/childish.

    How then is “childlikeness” rewarded?

    Once again in a faith that cannot see only believe as described in Hebrews 11:1 KJV.

    19 degrees and snowing.


  41. poohpity says:

    Or we can base heaven on what those who have been there say like Paul and John the apostle, not leaving it to imagination but to experience.

    God seems to have great plans for every human being and it may be just to touch one person in life in the name of Jesus. But if we base that on what we think God’s plan for them is then we lead them to disappointment. If one does not have anything or if one is unable to do much there is always a reason for that person to be alive. We are given the gift of life and what we do with it is up to us. The great for them may just be a prayer warrior, or to speak a kind word to someone, or give company to the elderly, or bring joy to a parent. It is normally our expectations that get dashed when we expect something and that does not happen but with the child like faith everyone means so much to the Lord even a life spent praising God is a great plan with a purpose.

  42. jeff1 says:

    Steve says:

    “We must be very careful when we think we can speak for God or explain away every disappointment from our dark and blurred vision of life”.

    It is what happens Steve because I can remember my mother telling me as a child that she was cursed and when my father told me not to listen, I was very glad to believe him.

    It was not until later on in life when we had an awful lot of what we Irish call bad luck that I began to believe my mother was right.

    My mother was convinced she had displeased God while she never talked about it to me I believe she felt that she was not part of God’s plan, her being illegimate, and Society at that time did not help her feel any better by the way she was treated.

    I have made the same mistakes by mother made and while I know in my heart, my father is right, because I can now see my father had God given righteousness, I suffer the same mental anguish my mother suffered, yet their are moments in my life when I know great peace but the cares of this world too often disturb it.

    If my heart is God’s then there too is my home.

    Home is where the heart is
    And my heart is anywhere you are
    Anywhere you are is home
    I don’t need a mansion on a hill
    That overlooks the sea
    Anywhere you’re with me is home
    Maybe I’m a rolling stone
    Who won’t amount to much
    But everything that I hold dear
    Is close enough to touch
    For home is where the heart is
    And my heart is anywhere you are
    Anywhere you are is home
    Home home home home

  43. SFDBWV says:

    Viv that is a lovely poem and if I might say I feel such a connection to you in so many ways.

    My mother’s family were “Scotch-Irish and so many of my Mom’s superstitions came from her Celtic roots. She wouldn’t hand anyone a knife or a pair of scissors, and always threw salt over her shoulder if spilt and liked to sing both old hymns and little lilts of our Scotch and Irish connections in the Appalachian Mountains.

    She was also a Christian from her earliest youth and my introduction to being a Christian myself.

    It goes along with so many old sayings as well as the good advice of Proverbs and found especially in the letters from James that people, even well-meaning people should hold their tongue and “think” before saying anything, especially anything that may hurt another.

    But alas this isn’t the way of the world. The world thinks it has every right to say what it want even at the cost of another’s pain.

    I suppose the best we can do is bring beauty to the world in kindness, poetry, and music or in whatever way God gives us the ability to do.

    Praying for you to have a peaceful day.


  44. jeff1 says:

    Steve, I am glad you like it,it is actually a song sung by Elvis from a film he made called “Follow that Dream”.

    I think if we do our best and let God do the rest then we can’t go far wrong but I have to say I am also learning as I go along and I believe that God wants us to learn because I often don’t realize how ignorant I am until God opens a window that I had not looked out of before.

  45. poohpity says:

    Viv, I was thinking about your description of your mum and dad after reading parts of the Book of Job this morning. Your mum sounds like the three friends of Job who spoke of what they thought they knew about God which was incorrect and your dad as one who knows God like Job did. The difference in night and day.

  46. poohpity says:

    Saw this on facebook today thought it was pertinent.

    “Children thrive when parents set before them increasingly difficult, but always meet-able, challenges.”

    The opposite would be to do everything for a child which would cripple them into not taking care of themselves and then be unable to care for others. There are some things that only God can do like changing hearts but we are given hands, minds, feet to use for the good of others. Lev 19:18

  47. jeff1 says:

    Yes, Pooh but my dad had a very different upbringing to my mum. Her mother reared her and three boys, one she referred to as her brother but the other two I don’t think she was sure.

    She had a difficult life as in going to school with no shoes on her feet and she was treated badly and that also included bad treatment from her mother (physically as well as mentally) and she was very effected by it and in those days no one noticed or cared.

    She hit out at everyone because she did not know of any other way but I have to say she was a good mother but probably over protective of myself, sister and brother because of her own life.

    My father had a stable Christian home life which was very evident in how he led his life because he was not only righteous in his home but understood the world outside with God given wisdom.

    Very much a military man, disciplined himself much more then he expected of others and very non judgemental regardless of whether he agreed with you or not.
    He would offer advice but I think my father believed that you could only learn from your own mistakes and I believe there is a lot of truth in that.

    God is an eternal God and what we don’t understand now, we will later. Each has to come to their own understanding of God in order to grow spiritually and my dad was way ahead of me in that score.

    I think you are right in your comparison but while my dad knew God better I believe my mother knew human nature better because she had experienced the dark side of human nature which many of us in our lifetime never do. She was a shrewd women when it came to people and could read them like a book in that she knew who to trust and whom not to and kept my dad right on many an occasion.

    Sorry for going on but my parents influenced my life greatly.

  48. joycemb says:

    Mart I agree. I’ve been thinking lately about the myriad differences between people such as culture, social status, gender, education and on and on. Yet Paul’s letters were written in a specific time to a specific people within the context of a very specific culture. And so now, thousands of years later, here we are trying to figure it all out. Trusting and at the same time hoping that those first witnesses and Paul also a witness of our Savior after His death can help us. Where I’m going I think is that we can’t figure it out any more than the Corinthians did. Paul says it takes listening and being obedient to the Spirit of God and then comes Spiritual maturity. He even said he had to speak to them in human terms they were so out of touch with what it was like walking in the spirit. Paul was given the ok to speak to them as he did. I dont think the mantle was passed on? Maybe we misuse scripture to produce not what God wants but what we want, our own egos to feed which produces what he talked about in I Cor 3:1-3. Walking in the spirit is a very narrow and specific road through life I think, no matter the time, place, or culture. Its the higher road we walk – with a stoop – to see and help those who need a hand up.

  49. jeff1 says:

    Joyce, we are diverse, even in our thinking, I see myself in the valley, stumbling a lot of the time and looking to heaven for a hand up.

    I don’t look to other Christians because I have found that they are as fallible as I am and their lives reflect it.

    There are individuals that I would trust without reservation and others I would give a wide berth.

    There is a saying and I know people who practice it keep your friends close and your enemies even closer.

    I trust God above all others because it is He who knows how fallible I am.

    The road is narrow, I have wandered off it enough times, God knows, but it is long because I believe God knows I/others do a lot of stumbling along the way.

    Lead Me, Guide Me

    Lead me oh Lord, wont you lead me
    I am tired and I need Thy strength and power
    To guide me over my darkest hour
    For just open my eyes that I may see
    Lead me oh Lord, won’t you lead me

    Lead me, guide me along the way
    For if you lead me I cannot stray
    Or just open my eyes that I may see
    Lead me oh Lord, won’t you lead me
    I am lost if you take your hand from me
    I am blind without Thy light to see

    Lord just always let me, Thy servant be
    Lead me oh Lord, won’t you lead me
    Lead me, guide me along the way
    For if you lead me I cannot stray

    Lord just open my eyes that I may see
    Lead me oh Lord, won’t you lead me.

  50. SFDBWV says:

    Am concerned for “Foreverblessed” usually hear from her by now. Hope all is well with her.


  51. foreverblessed says:

    Thank you very much for your concern, Steve! That warms my heart (so you have already done your good deed for today, ha ha)
    I am used to use my smartphone to visit the blog. Just sitting on the coach, and realxing. But my smartphone is doing weird, I cannot type anymore when I am logged in, the keyboard appears for a short moment, and then disappears again. So I have to get my computer out, and that is a different routine. Sitting at the table.

    And besides, I didnot know what to comment on this child thing. I keep letting it sink in, that Jesus wants us to become like little children. What does that mean, like little children?
    A childlike faith, but that faith has to be tested, and after testing, still have a child like faith: My Father in heaven will take care of everything.
    I have been telling you about a lady who is in a divorce. She is also a songleader, and we were practicing together last friday, and her singing has deepened soooo much. When she is singing, “You are my all in all” it comes from her toes (that is a saying in Dutch, when you mean something with all of your heart, then it comes from deep down, from your toes, so to speak)

    And I was thinking, do you know any christian who has not gone through great ordeals, and yet has a very very deep faith?
    I do not know of anybody.
    All of us have trials and tests. Not that the trial itself bring us close to Jesus, but because of the trials we are forced to seek closer contact with Jesus.

    Have a good and blessed day, Steve, and all of you, And Jeff, thanks for the song!

  52. jeff1 says:

    I think Forever our renewal of childlike faith comes from God and not from ourselves. We seek because our trials has driven us to God but He does the rest.

    I find the difficulty in life is that trials do the opposite to many people and they turn away from God.
    This is partly because of wrong beliefs brought about by religions.

    I learned from both my mum and my dad because my dad was very much the idealist while my mum was very much the realist.

    My fathers high and noble principles which I believe were God given did not work in a fallen world and my mother who was more aware of the dark side of human nature knew this and often kept my father from trusting people that were not trustworthy.

    My father was closer to God but my mother was much shrewder about who was Godly and who was not.

    I remember when we were children and we grew up in a council estate where you mixed with children who would get up to badness. My mother sent us out to play because she said if we didn’t mix they would take against us saying that we thought we were better than them but she also warned us that as soon as play turned to badness we were to slip away and come straight home.

    There are a lot of bad influences in this world and my mother being more street wise than my dad who was reared in the country was very aware of that and protected us from those influences.

    There is much I do not know about my mother except that she was neither baptized or confirmed but she talked to me about Jesus so she had faith be it little.

    Whenever my faith is in crisis I always turn to songs and poetry because it gives me the peace of mind I need that God will not forsake me/us because it is not in His nature. I am glad to share these songs in the hope that others find the same, Forever.

  53. joycemb says:

    Lovely post Jeff, you are an encouragement to me thank you. Forever I’m having a similar problem lately with both my iPhone and kindle with the window I am now typing into freezing to where I can’t type on it. Perhaps its a problem with the browser we us or the site?

  54. joycemb says:

    I call it a kindle but its actually an amazon Fire.

  55. SFDBWV says:

    My apologies Foreverblessed for getting up from the comfort of your couch to the computer, but thank you for letting us know you are ok.

    Actually I thing you have done an excellent job in commenting about this subject in just the view you gave. Well done.

    Viv you also have as always an excellent approach to life as a Christian. Trying to gain finite answers from an infinite Creator is not going to be easy for we mere humans, but we can have fun and learn a little something in the process.

    Joyce I do hope the weather up your way is improving.

    Another busy day, but hopefully not as chaotic as yesterday for my crew, I hope.


  56. street says:

    2 Corinthians 3:18
    18 But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as from the Lord, the Spirit.

  57. street says:

    seems to me we need to see the treasure hidden in a field and go sell all we have and buy that field.

    taking note of the pictures of creation, can you see what is hidden in the two pictures?

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