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Love Songs

In 1936, American song writer, Billy Hill, wrote “The Glory of Love”. Before long a nation was singing, “You’ve got to give a little, take a little and let your poor heart break a little. That’s the story of, that’s the glory of love.

Fifty years later, in 1986, another song reached the top of the music charts with a similar title. In “Glory of Love,” Peter Cetera promises a love worth fighting for with the lyrics, “We’ll live forever, knowing together—that we did it all for the glory of love.”

Looking back, both songs may have resonated with something that makes life worth living. On occasion, haven’t we intuitively sensed, even without realizing it, a mysteriously enchanted connection between the glory of our loves— and the silent, soft light of the night sky (Psalm 19:1).

As we’ve been considering together in these last few posts, even before our generation began exploring the cosmos through the eye of Hubble, Jesus showed us something that has more recently haunted us in the lives of people like Gandhi, Mother Teresa, and Martin Luther King.

But I’m guessing most of us wouldn’t want to compare such Jesus-like examples to the One who showed us the glory of love not only in the wonder of his life— but in the shocking violence of his death.

In the mysterious glory of Jesus’s suffering and sacrifice, don’t we hear something that brings fullness of meaning to our love songs— and to the silent rhythm of the stars that shows up in the darkness of our own days, and nights?

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187 Responses to “Love Songs”

  1. Beloved says:

    We love God because He first loved us. Yes yes yes!! How great that Love is to me, determines how much I love others as God intented. Redemptive love can be a bit hard to take sometimes because it is so foreign to our fallen mindset. Only God can truly change our hearts.

  2. SFDBWV says:

    Those who visit this site may know that I like to write early in the morning as that is my best opportunity to relax and hear the words as they come to me.

    As the morning moves forward the noise of the things that require my attention drown out the words in my mind and pushes me to either not write or write in hurried moments that don’t satisfy.

    Life is noisy…

    I have often said that I love that time of the morning just before the sun begins to light the dark sky. When all is quiet the air is crisp and cool and I can stand there and feel as though I can almost see beyond myself.

    I love those moments and it is then that I can come to God in prayer and feel His presence there with me.

    When I set here at the computer I listen to music as I read or write, what I have found is that nearly all songs are love songs. The best are always deep and soul stirring. An experience that touches my very soul.

    Some people are so blessed that they can “hear” the music of a sunrise or of a sunset or a river or mountain range, a starry sky or a big bright moon.

    Some also can put to poetry and music the moaning and groaning of life. Even the pains of life can be seen or sung as a longing for love.

    I often am in awe of the tiny little sparrow’s full bodied songs. Wondering how such a little bird has such a strong voice. Then I wonder what beautiful music the dinosaur must have had and how their songs must have filled the earth in those days before the fall.

    Men try to make the dinosaur into a snarling beast, but if the little sparrow is an example of a dinosaur, then I don’t think so.

    Science has discovered that stars emit a sound, our Bible tells us that they sang at the birth of creation.

    The music of life is all a love song, if we listen to what it has to say and realize from whom it was given to us by.

    Be blessed and listen today to the music of life and ignore the noise that tries to drown it out.


  3. remarutho says:

    Good Morning Mart & Friends —

    Psalm 19 does express the paradox of God’s divine character — particularly in Jesus, the human One:

    The heavens keep telling
    the wonders of God,
    and the skies declare
    what he has done.

    Each day informs
    the following day;
    each night announces
    to the next.

    They don’t speak a word,
    and there is never
    the sound of a voice.

    Yet their message reaches
    all the earth,
    and it travels
    around the world.

    In the heavens a tent
    is set up for the sun. (Psalm 19:1-4)

    While the heroes of faith you mention, Gandhi, Mother Teresa and Martin Luther King, inspire us to keep faith with our Creator God — none can compare with the one and only Son of God. He is the Bridegroom coming forth from His tent, and so much more.

    We who are in the path of the coming solar eclipse will greet thousands of (estimated one million) pilgrims coming our way to witness a two-minute event one week from today.

    Pray that a door will be opened for many to hear the love song that continually pours forth from the cosmos expressing God’s unfathomable love for His creation — for all, especially those who trust and obey.

    Joy all day,

    9C/49F in the valley with clear skies.

  4. Beloved says:

    O Love, that wilt not let me go,
    I rest my weary soul in Thee;
    I give Thee back the life I owe,
    That in Thine ocean depths its flow
    May richer, fuller be.
    O Light, that followest all my way,
    I yield my flickering torch to Thee;
    My heart restores its borrowed ray,
    That in Thy sunshine’s blaze its day
    May brighter, fairer be.
    O Joy, that seekest me through pain,
    I cannot close my heart to Thee;
    I trace the rainbow through the rain,
    And feel the promise is not vain
    That morn shall tearless be.
    O Cross, that liftest up my head,
    I dare not ask to fly from Thee;
    I lay in dust life’s glory dead,
    And from the ground there blossoms red
    Life that shall endless be.
    George Mattheson 1882

  5. jeff1 says:

    Glimpses of God’s love inspire and give us a taste of the best yet to come!

    Love divine, all loves excelling,
    Joy of heaven to earth come down;
    Fix in us thy humble dwelling;
    All they faithful mercies crown!
    Jesus, Thou art all compassion,
    Pure, unbounded love Thou art;
    Visit us with Thy salvation;
    Enter every trembling heart.

    Breathe, O breathe Thy loving Spirit,
    Into every troubled breast!
    Let us all in Thee inherit;
    Let us find that promised rest.
    Take away our bent to sinning;
    Alpha and Omega be;
    End of faith, as its Beginning,
    Set our hearts at liberty.

    Come, Almighty to deliver,
    Let us all Thy life receive;
    Suddenly return and never,
    Never more Thy temples leave.
    Thee we would be always blessing,
    Serve Thee as Thy hosts above
    Pray and praise Thee without ceasing,
    Glory in Thy perfect love.

    Finish, then, Thy new creation;
    Pure and spotless let us be.
    Let us see Thy great salvation
    Perfectly restored in Thee;
    Changed from glory into glory,
    ‘Til in heaven we take our place
    ‘Til we cast our crowns before Thee,
    Lost in wonder, love and praise.

  6. SFDBWV says:

    “If It Be Your Will”
    If it be your will
    That I speak no more
    And my voice be still
    As it was before
    I will speak no more
    I shall abide until
    I am spoken for
    If it be your will
    If it be your will
    That a voice be true
    From this broken hill
    I will sing to you
    From this broken hill
    All your praises they shall ring
    If it be your will
    To let me sing
    From this broken hill
    All your praises they shall ring
    If it be your will
    To let me sing
    If it be your will
    If there is a choice
    Let the rivers fill
    Let the hills rejoice
    Let your mercy spill
    On all these burning hearts in hell
    If it be your will
    To make us well
    And draw us near
    And bind us tight
    All your children here
    In their rags of light
    In our rags of light
    All dressed to kill
    And end this night
    If it be your will
    If it be your will

    This song written and song by Leonard Cohen says a great deal. Most likely I will share more of his music as this subject remains.


  7. jeff1 says:

    Words of a man who knows God and expresses it in songs that is comfort to the rest of us when finding the journey tedious.

    God’s purpose is known to God as we know from ‘Christ’s suffering and when I was younger and would say to my dad ‘why has there to be so much suffering’ he would simply answer ‘Christ suffered’.

    He understood that in a fallen world suffering can be either man’s waywardness or God’s will and we can not always be sure which but by remaining faithful my dad never lost sight of God in his life while I being wayward am always looking to find God in mine.

    Discipline is from God but it takes a person walking by faith to be disciplined otherwise I stumble, loose sight of God and despair. It is a cycle I know all too well its just to clarify that obedience matters to God in our walk with Him.

  8. SFDBWV says:

    Come Healing

    Leonard Cohen

    O gather up the brokenness
    And bring it to me now
    The fragrance of those promises
    You never dared to vow

    The splinters that you carry
    The cross you left behind
    Come healing of the body
    Come healing of the mind

    And let the heavens hear it
    The penitential hymn
    Come healing of the spirit
    Come healing of the limb

    Behold the gates of mercy
    In arbitrary space
    And none of us deserving
    The cruelty or the grace

    O solitude of longing
    Where love has been confined
    Come healing of the body
    Come healing of the mind

    O see the darkness yielding
    That tore the light apart
    Come healing of the reason
    Come healing of the heart

    O troubled dust concealing
    An undivided love
    The heart beneath is teaching
    To the broken heart above

    Let the heavens falter
    Let the earth proclaim
    Come healing of the altar
    Come healing of the name

    O longing of the branches
    To lift the little bud
    O longing of the arteries
    To purify the blood

    And let the heavens hear it
    The penitential hymn
    Come healing of the spirit
    Come healing of the limb

    O let the heavens hear it
    The penitential hymn
    Come healing of the spirit
    Come healing of the limb


  9. Beloved says:

    In the mysterious glory of Jesus’s suffering and sacrifice, don’t we hear something that brings fullness of meaning to our love songs—

    John 3:16
    I John 3:16

  10. SFDBWV says:

    Certainly this subject brings forth the Book of the Bible “Song of Solomon” or “Song of Songs” to my attention.

    Admittedly I am often uncomfortable reading that particular Book of Scripture.

    I realize it is a portrayal of the Lord’s love for His people shown in a view of human love, I just am somehow uncomfortable with it.

    Also the old Pat Boone song “Moody River” came to mind as so often love songs have a painful twist to them. Something we all can somehow relate to.

    Love is too often a mixture of elation and pain. And in the final analysis always worth the sacrifice it demands.

    Trying to write of it or put it to music somehow never says enough, so we keep on writing and singing always trying to capture just the right words to express love.

    “The Rose”
    Some say love, it is a river
    That drowns the tender reed.
    Some say love, it is a razor
    That leaves your soul to bleed.
    Some say love, it is a hunger,
    An endless aching need.
    I say love, it is a flower,
    And you its only seed.

    It’s the heart afraid of breaking
    That never learns to dance.
    It’s the dream afraid of waking
    That never takes the chance.
    It’s the one who won’t be taken,
    Who cannot seem to give,
    And the soul afraid of dyin’
    That never learns to live.

    When the night has been too lonely
    And the road has been too long,
    And you think that love is only
    For the lucky and the strong,
    Just remember in the winter
    Far beneath the bitter snows
    Lies the seed that with the sun’s love
    In the spring becomes the rose.


  11. jeff1 says:

    I can remember my son when he was very young commenting on how many songs were about love and I thought yet in this world there is so much hate.

    I listen to the radio in the morning and hear the news headlines rather than read newspapers or see it on television because it is shown in much more graphic detail.

    I was saddened to hear that as we talk of a peace process here that in one of the worst troubled areas of the troubles they were burning poppy wreaths and anything that related to British last night.

    As it happened I had been in the city earlier in the day and the driver took a wrong turn and ended up driving through this area and the slogans, flags and murals on the walls made me more than glad being British myself to find a road that exited this community.

    Does hatred change certainly my on the ground impression from driving through hostile territory and then hearing what I heard on the news the next day says not.

    That I trust God rather then men because when you know you are in the hands of your enemy to whom else would you trust but the God who has made promises that He alone can keep.

    To God be the glory, great things He hath done.
    So loved He the world that He gave us His son,
    Who yielded His life our redemption to win,
    And opened the life-gate that all may go in.

    Praise the Lord, praise the Lord,
    Let the earth hear His voice;
    Praise the Lord, praise the Lord,
    Let the people rejoice;
    Oh, come to the Father, through Jesus the Son,
    And give Him the glory; great things He hath done.

    Oh, perfect redemption, the purchase of blood,
    To every believer the promise of God;
    The vilest offender who truly believes,
    That moment from Jesus a pardon receives.

    Great things He hath taught us, great things He hath done,
    And great our rejoicing through Jesus the Son;
    But purer, and higher, and greater will be
    Our wonder, our transport when Jesus we see.

  12. poohpity says:

    “Good Good Father” Listen to Anthem Lights sing this, wow

    Oh, I’ve heard a thousand stories of what they think you’re like
    But I’ve heard the tender whispers of love in the dead of night
    And you tell me that you’re pleased
    And that I’m never alone

    You’re a Good, Good Father
    It’s who you are, it’s who you are, it’s who you are
    And I’m loved by you
    It’s who I am, it’s who I am, it’s who I am

    Oh, and I’ve seen many searching for answers far and wide
    But I know we’re all searching
    For answers only you provide
    ‘Cause you know just what we need
    Before we say a word

    You’re a Good, Good Father
    It’s who you are, it’s who you are, it’s who you are
    And I’m loved by you
    It’s who I am, it’s who I am, it’s who I am

    ’cause you are perfect in all of your ways
    You are perfect in all of your ways
    You are perfect in all of your ways to us

    You are perfect in all of your ways
    You are perfect in all of your ways
    You are perfect in all of your ways to us

    Oh, it’s love so undeniable
    I, I can hardly speak
    Peace so unexplainable
    I, I can hardly think

    As you call me deeper still [3x]
    Into love, love, love

    You’re a Good, Good Father
    It’s who you are, it’s who you are, it’s who you are
    And I’m loved by you
    It’s who I am, it’s who I am, it’s who I am

    You’re a Good, Good Father
    (you are perfect in all of your ways)
    It’s who you are, it’s who you are, it’s who you are
    And I’m loved by you
    (you are perfect in all of your ways)
    It’s who I am, it’s who I am it’s who I am

  13. jeff1 says:

    The greatest ‘Act of Love’ is ‘Jesus Sacrifice’ that we are among the blessed to know this is God’s will.

    As an individual I see the hand of God in my life but in the larger community I believe I am seeing that hatred with all its ugliness is not easily reconciled.

    That tells me that God’s love is very different to human love in that it is encompassing and I do not yet understand such love.

    That I have glimpses of God’s love in the love I have for family and others is a taste of what there is to come when hatred will no longer have domain over us.

    Tell me the old, old story,
    Of unseen things above,
    Of Jesus and His glory,
    Of Jesus and His love;
    Tell me the story simply,
    As to a little child,
    For I am weak and weary,
    And helpless and defiled.

    Tell me, the old, old story,
    Tell me, the old, old story,
    Tell me, the old, old story,
    Of Jesus and His love.

    Tell me the story slowly,
    That I may take it in–
    That wonderful redemption,
    God’s remedy for sin;
    Tell me the story often,
    For I forget so soon,
    The “early dew” of morning
    Has passed away at noon.

    Tell me the story softly,
    With earnest tones and grave;
    Remember I’m the sinner
    Whom Jesus came to save;
    Tell me the story always,
    If you would really be,
    In any time of trouble,
    A comforter to me.

    Tell me the same old story,
    When you have cause to fear
    That this world’s empty glory
    Is costing me too dear;
    And when the Lord’s bright glory
    Is dawning on my soul,
    Tell me the old, old story:
    “Christ Jesus makes thee whole.”

  14. street says:

    Light is sown in the rightouse

  15. poohpity says:

    To me God brings fullness to the meaning of love. I see His love in creation and even in the darkness of evil all around me because His song is heard more loudly than anything else, His love overcomes the darkness and brings light even in the soft brightness of the stars against the night sky. I may not understand fully but I see and experience it daily as I walk in His grace but the little I do understand because the whispers are louder than the clanging cymbals of hate.

  16. street says:

    But I’m guessing most of us wouldn’t want to compare such Jesus-like examples to the One who showed us the glory of love not only in the wonder of his life— but in the shocking violence of his death.

    thinking these three pillars of intimacy with God. are in stark contrast to their surrounding communities. in which Hebrews 2:11 For both He who sanctifies and those who are sanctified are all from one Father; for which reason He is not ashamed to call them brethren,

    i find it arresting that two died in like manner ….violently. i guess it would not look manly, shooting or blowing up a woman.

    i understand gandhi was quite familiar with Jesus and loved Him, but could not stand people who said they were followers and where truly sinful. refusing him admittance into a church to worship because of his nationality. we gentiles need to take a closer look at Christ.

  17. street says:

    poo said, “To me God brings fullness to the meaning of love.”

    fullness and revelation of God in the cross of Christ. Jesus’s faithfulness and obedience redeems mans value, which is sorely lacking everywhere else. Jesus Glorifies God and proves the deception and accusations in the garden false.

  18. street says:

    i always play with the words spoken in my mind and the words in song. If God is Love then the words love in the sons can be changed accordingly.

  19. street says:

    sons ops song

  20. street says:

    Jesus showed us something that has more recently haunted us in the lives of people like Gandhi, Mother Teresa, and Martin Luther King.

    Matthew 23:11
    The greatest among you will be your servant.

    Jesus did more than wash feet.

  21. saled says:

    Mart says, “On occasion, haven’t we intuitively sensed, even without realizing it, a mysterious enchanted connection between the glory of our loves-and the silent, soft light of the night sky.” Yes, the heavens declare the glory of God.

    Remember the children’s movie Fivel from back in the 1980’s? Somewhere Out There was its theme song and begins like this:

    Somewhere out there beneath the pale moonlight
    Someone’s thinking of me and loving me tonight.
    Somewhere out there someone’s saying a prayer
    That we find one another
    In that big somewhere out there.

    The sunset always held that mysterious enchantment for me. It made me feel that life and love was somewhere out there waiting for me to go and find it. Steve mentioned the power of the sparrow’s song. As I used to stand beside the fish pond waiting for a trout to bite, I would hear the song of the white throated sparrow. Only back then I did not know that it was the song of the white throated sparrow and I imagined that it was some exotic bird full of color and enchantment. I’ll never forget the day that I finally traced the song to the common little bird sitting almost hidden in a pine tree. And there seemed to be a lesson in that. A lesson teaching me that life and love is not out there somewhere, but right here right now, inside us and our immediate surroundings.

    Mart ends by saying, “In the mysterious glory of Jesus’ suffering and sacrifice, don’t we hear something that brings fullness of meaning to our love songs, -and to the silent rhythm of the stars that show up in the darkness of our own days, and nights?”

    And I loved Mart’s use of the word ‘haunted’ in reference to how we view Gandhi, Mother Teresa, and Martin Luther King. There lives showed us that choosing love is choosing something better than our natural man can understand.

  22. jeff1 says:

    It isn’t the times that I have choose love that haunts me it is the times that I have not. My dad proved to me that choosing love in personal matters is much easier than it is in worldly ones and that’s where he got it right because he always seen the bigger picture and that has to be God given righteousness and not man driven.

    This world has moved away from God’s righteousness to man’s righteousness as the bible said it would so God does understand man better than he understands himself and ‘Christ’ is still the answer to a wayward world.

    It is man who changes God to his perception of what God should be but thankfully God knows mans weaknesses and ‘Christ’ died to save mankind from its weaknesses.


    If Death should beckon me
    with outstretched hand
    And whisper softly
    of “an unknown land”…

    I shall not be
    afraid to go,
    For though the path
    I do not know …

    I take Death’s hand
    without a fear,
    For He who safely
    brought me here …

    Will also take me
    safely back,
    And though in many
    things I lack …

    He will not let
    me go alone
    Into the “valley that’s unknown”…

    So I reach out
    and take Death’s hand
    And journey
    to the “Promised Land”!

  23. SFDBWV says:

    It is impossible for me to ignore the darkness and chaos that is overtaking the world and as I watch it I wonder where love is?

    The murder of the people in Barcelona Spain, a lunatic itching to hit the USA with a nuclear bomb in North Korea, riots in the streets of America over a clash of culture and twisted view of history.

    So much hate. I don’t know of any songs that illuminate “hate”.

    Though it was pure evil and hatred from small minded petty little men in Jerusalem that pushed the officials to torture and murder the embodiment of love. From His “love song” on the cross a thousand love songs have been sung by millions and millions of people.

    My mother used to go about her daily duties around the house humming or singing hymns. I have found that I do the same as there is some energy and power that comes from just such a simple little act. A calming of the mind and spirit, a lifting and brighter look at whatever we are about doing.

    So if I could offer something today it is to remember the little sparrow that Saled and I have recalled and like that small little unassuming bird lift your voices up and sing, make a joyful noise before our Lord.


  24. SFDBWV says:

    Yesterday afternoon one of Matthew’s friends, Meredith, came and took him out for a drive and to eat at Dairy Queen. They had a great time and such little acts of love are what makes life a little more tolerable for us here in our life.

    While they were gone I gathered up my ladder, 5 gallon tar bucket and small brush and climbed atop the roof of the house on our corner to repair a small leak around a sky light.

    Hot and sweaty I came home sat in the chair with the fan on me as Glenna was watching a TV show called “The Doctors”. It is a panel of doctors that discuss medical issues and give their views on whatever topic was being brought up at that moment.

    The topic I was witness to for only a few moments as I cooled off was about the laboratory fertilization of human reproduction.

    An example they seemed to criticize was that of a paraplegic woman who underwent the procedure in order to have a child. Unmarried and under the constant care of her mother and others they critiqued the idea that this woman would not be able to care for the child, without a husband and always dependent on help for even herself.

    They questioned the idea if this were a good “moral” decision.

    They forgot the compassionate side of the issue.

    That this woman who has had everything in her life taken away from her was through this “miracle” able to give birth and have a child to love and be loved by.

    It is no matter how she was able to become pregnant as only God can breathe life into us. Life was not created artificially as only God can create life.

    What was important was that she was able to obtain love through unconventional means.

    Love is not an intellectual process, it is a possession of your being and an outward flow from you to all you love.

    How can we not sing its praises?


  25. poohpity says:

    Having a child by any means does not guarantee love, it is love to think and care for the needs of the one loved. To do what is in their best interest, that is love. That example you gave Steve it would be the caregiver of the woman and the child she wants just because she wants one, is it taking into mind love or a selfish need being satisfied that it has to happen by unconventional means not the way God intended? The hardship placed on the caregiver is not love. Love effects all involved in a win, win situation not some win while others lose.

    God’s love was not given to get it back it was given because of who God is. He knew that He may not get it back but showed His love in action anyway, not by a man created scientific way but what was in the best interest of the very human beings He created. Love is giving up what we want for what is best for another.

    Sometimes love is hard or tough, sometimes it is gentle but it always involves what is in best interest for all.

  26. poohpity says:

    If my child wants candy for every meal some may feel it is love to give in to that want but the good parent knows that will not be good for the growth and development of the child that is when love gets tough enough to say no. Or there are parents that give in to every want of a child and it cripples and destroys them both.

  27. Beloved says:

    I was thinking about love in real time. Jesus conception (HS) and birth mother, carrying an illigitimate child who was in actuality the embodiment of love, were certainly unconventional then and now still. Then to have that very special child’s life threatened around 2 years oh my what a beginning. The things we do for our children is amazing. It boggles me mind how deeply love can be felt and shown even in the worst of circumstances. It’s very humbling, actually.

  28. Beloved says:

    I’m just reminded of the Singer Trilogy by Calvin Miller. It’s a beautiful poetic reading of the Gospel story. The Singer, the Song, the Finale. Jesus is the song. Yes He is.

  29. street says:

    Sometimes love is hard or tough, sometimes it is gentle but it always involves what is in best interest for all.

    i don’t know if this is well thought out. if i try to do what is best for all i will go insane. i am not smart enough to know what is best for others….that would be like claiming to be God. most people have trouble understanding things going on around them, even job, a righteous man. how much more difficult for the unrighteous.

    living by faith.

  30. bubbles says:

    Beyond giving a child what they want is cultivating an attitude of entitlement. This is destroying our culture and our nation. Additionally, allowing children to think they run the show and are above correction and help. These are born thinking they are extra special and are given accolades without achievement.

  31. poohpity says:

    street, I can tell you did not think it out very well. Yes people have to have a heart for people to know what is in their best interest, not many give others even a moment of thought especially when they are self absorbed.

  32. poohpity says:

    bubbles, I agree. It is at this time a very common thing not only from children but from adults as well so much so they are not even willing to listen to others because they are so busy wanting to be heard.

  33. SFDBWV says:

    In literature, across the ages men have written of sagas and epics that stretched across generations. It has always made good reading. Showing where we came from to get to where we are.

    Now we have movies that do the same, except now we have talented people who know how to put music to life’s adventures and struggles. The music seems to fit the scene and in some ways enhances it.

    Try, if you can, to imagine what music would accompany the story of your life.

    This morning when I first went out back in the cool dark morning “Orion” the hunter constellation was just rising over the eastern horizon. From that first glimpse I felt I was seeing the handiwork of God as I feel I see God in the starry night.

    Also if I listen I can hear the music that accompanies it.

    One of my sunflower plants surrounding my feeder has 15 flowers in bloom with a few more waiting their maturity. Each time I look at it I can hear its music. Briefly yes, but in that moment I can hear it.

    All of creation has a song and it is a love song.

    If we have a choice make your song like the sparrow and not like the grackle who only makes noise.

    Tell someone today that you love them and actually mean it.


  34. jeff1 says:

    To my way of thinking, Steve, those that I could tell them, I love them, and mean it, would be my nearest and dearest.

    That is not what God is telling me, He is telling me to love my enemies as myself. The difficulty with that is I hate myself for not loving my enemies but I could pretend I am loving my enemies but in my heart of hearts I would not mean it.

    God knows my heart so as I see it I need God’s forgiveness as much as my enemies need it and that is God’s way of telling me I am as much the problem as the solution.

    The difference in my dad and me was that my dad truly had a heart for his enemies and it was evident in his choices and his lack of judgements on their actions.

    Some are more Godly than others and my dad was more
    Godly than I. Some are much more in need of forgiveness from God and that is where I see myself because that is where I find myself.

    Where else would I go for refuge but to the Lord.

    Living below in this old sinful world
    Hardly a comfort can afford
    Striving alone to face temptation so
    Now won’t you tell me

    Where could I go but to the Lord
    Where could I go oh where could I go
    Seeking the refuge for my soul
    Needing a friend to save me in the end
    Won’t you tell me
    Where could I go but to the Lord

    Life here is grand with friends I love so dear
    Comfort I get from God’s own word
    Yet when I face that chilling hand of death
    Won’t you tell me
    Where could I go but to the Lord

    Where could I go but to the Lord
    Where could I go oh where could I go
    Seeking the refuge for my soul
    Needing a friend to save me in the end
    Won’t you tell me
    Where could I go but to the Lord

  35. SFDBWV says:

    It is ok Viv, tell those who are dear to you that you love them if that is all you can do. They are a gift to you from God…The rest will come in time.

    Be blessed


  36. foreverblessed says:

    I wanted to encourage you Viv, but Steve has already said the same thing!
    Although, I wanted to give a Bible verse with it!
    Which says, love each other, and start first with the brothers ( and sisters) in Christ.
    Where is that verse?
    And about loving my enemies, I say to God: I cannot, but You work it out in me, I want to love them, I am willing, Your love flowing through me.

  37. jeff1 says:

    Yes, Steve, my children, give me a reason to get up in the morning and that is so often the motivation I need to get through the day.

    When they were small they depended on me and now I depend as much on them.

    I am so pleased to read that Matthew had a lovely day out with his friend and as you say it is often the little gestures and deeds in life that are more important than we give them credence.

    Focusing on what is good in life is so important in a world where there is so much ugliness.

    That we are blessed to have those we can care for and they us is worth more than money can buy.

    It is keeping the voices out of my head that say otherwise is a struggle but knowing God does not give up on me is what makes the struggle worth while.

  38. poohpity says:

    Since you have been raised to new life with Christ, set your sights on the realities of heaven, where Christ sits in the place of honor at God’s right hand. 2 Think about the things of heaven, not the things of earth. 3 For you died to this life, and your real life is hidden with Christ in God. 4 And when Christ, who is your life, is revealed to the whole world, you will share in all his glory.

    5 So put to death the sinful, earthly things lurking within you. Have nothing to do with sexual immorality, impurity, lust, and evil desires. Don’t be greedy, for a greedy person is an idolater, worshiping the things of this world. 6 Because of these sins, the anger of God is coming. 7 You used to do these things when your life was still part of this world. 8 But now is the time to get rid of anger, rage, malicious behavior, slander, and dirty language. 9 Don’t lie to each other, for you have stripped off your old sinful nature and all its wicked deeds. 10 Put on your new nature, and be renewed as you learn to know your Creator and become like him. 11 In this new life, it doesn’t matter if you are a Jew or a Gentile, circumcised or uncircumcised, barbaric, uncivilized, slave, or free. Christ is all that matters, and he lives in all of us.

    12 Since God chose you to be the holy people he loves, you must clothe yourselves with tenderhearted mercy, kindness, humility, gentleness, and patience. 13 Make allowance for each other’s faults, and forgive anyone who offends you. Remember, the Lord forgave you, so you must forgive others. 14 Above all, clothe yourselves with love, which binds us all together in perfect harmony. 15 And let the peace that comes from Christ rule in your hearts. For as members of one body you are called to live in peace. And always be thankful.

    16 Let the message about Christ, in all its richness, fill your lives. Teach and counsel each other with all the wisdom he gives. Sing psalms and hymns and spiritual songs to God with thankful hearts. 17 And whatever you do or say, do it as a representative of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks through him to God the Father.

    It would seem when our songs are directed to God filled from thankful hearts they truly are love songs, so if we are praising God we may find we do not give the enemies a foothold in our hearts or minds, they just do not take up that much space anymore.

  39. jeff1 says:

    Thank you, Forever, I am so tired of hating, and you are so right that I need God to work it out, I have taken refuge in Christ and leave it with God so that I can have peace of mind, in knowing, that His will shall be done on earth as it is in heaven and we shall know peace as God intended.

    Oh well, I’m tired and so weary
    But I must go alone
    Till the Lord comes and calls
    Calls me away, oh yes
    Well the morning’s so bright
    And the lamp is alight
    And the night, night is as black
    As the sea, oh yes

    There will be peace in the valley for me, some day
    There will be peace in the valley for me, oh Lord I pray
    There’ll be no sadness, no sorrow
    No trouble, trouble I see
    There will be peace in the valley for me, for me

    Well the bear will be gentle
    And the wolves will be tame
    And the lion shall lay down by the lamb, oh yes
    And the beasts from the wild
    Shall be lit by a child
    And I’ll be changed
    Changed from this creature that I am, oh yes

    There’ll be peace in the valley for me, some day
    There will be peace in the valley for me, oh Lord I pray
    There’ll be no sadness, no sorrow
    No trouble, trouble I see
    There will be peace in the valley, for me

  40. poohpity says:

    O soul, are you weary and troubled?
    No light in the darkness you see?
    There’s light for a look at the Savior,
    And life more abundant and free!

    Turn your eyes upon Jesus,
    Look full in His wonderful face,
    And the things of earth will grow strangely dim,
    In the light of His glory and grace.

    Through death into life everlasting
    He passed, and we follow Him there;
    O’er us sin no more hath dominion—
    For more than conqu’rors we are!

    His Word shall not fail you—He promised;
    Believe Him, and all will be well:
    Then go to a world that is dying,
    His perfect salvation to tell!

  41. jeff1 says:

    I like the last verse, Pooh, that when we are praising God, we do not give our enemies a foothold into our hearts and minds, that is very true, so that we do not give them space anymore. I like this thought, Pooh, that God sees from our prayers and songs that we want to let go of whatever comes between us and Him.

    Thank you too, for sharing such encouraging thoughts.

  42. jeff1 says:

    Lovely verses, Pooh, Jesus is still the answer to a dying world and may God use us to let the world see it so that His sacrifice completes God’s requirement to bring us back to Himself.

  43. street says:

    mysteriously enchanted connection between the glory of our loves— and the silent, soft light of the night sky

    a love song within a love song, within a love song.

  44. saled says:

    I find it hard to love some of the parents of students that I work with. They are certainly not my enemies, but I get so frustrated by how little they do for the children, even when given the tools. I am a mandated reported for neglect and what I am talking about is not that kind of neglect, but I can see how this affects the children. When this subject was raised at a conference, the speaker said that we should assume that these parents are doing the best that they can. Instead of looking down on them, we should accept them and be ready to support them when they are ready to become more involved. I think there is wisdom in this. Look at those who disappoint us or maybe even our enemies as doing the best that they are able. Maybe this is what love is, accepting people where they are, while not losing site of the possibility that there may be something better for them when they are ready to choose that.

  45. poohpity says:

    It is very hard coming to the point that we realize we have no control over others. It was very hard for me until I realized all the times I have failed or missed the mark so how can I expect others to get it all right, that is just an impossibility. All people are flawed, broken and imperfect, we can do better but never be perfect.

    I get frustrated when people believe everything they hear without questioning it but then realized they really do not want to know or they would find out for themselves but then again it comes back to all the things I do not know or even care to know. No one likes their long held beliefs or in the box thinking to be challenged, people are just not that comfortable with change, any change. That is what is so neat about the work of the Lord in our lives he changes us and most the time we do not even realize it is happening until one day we wake up and think about things differently.

  46. jeff1 says:

    I heard this on Sunday reflections and how it struck a chord!

    I know that I’m not worthy to call upon Your name.
    All my life, I’ve been a sinner, and for that, I am ashamed.
    But, I heard that You would listen, so I’m giving You my plea-
    Too unworthy, Lord, to come to You, could you please come down to me?

    I know that there are others who could offer more than I
    I promise You I’d understand if for me, You have no time.
    I think I just hit bottom and I’m looking up to see
    I’m unworthy, Lord, to come to You, could You please ocme down to me?

    I guess I must be reaping from the seeds that I have sown.
    Lord, you owe me nothing we haven’t spoken for so long.
    If you could spare some mercy I’ll pledge my life to Thee
    Too unworthy, Lord, to come to You, could you please come down to me?

    I know that there are others who could offer more than I
    I promise You I’ll understand if for me You have no time.
    I think I’ve just hit bottom and I’m looking up to see
    Too unworthy, Lord, to come to You, could You please come down to me?
    I think I just hit bottom, and, I’m looking up to see
    Too unworthy, to come to You, could You please come down to me?

  47. SFDBWV says:

    Stumbled upon Enya’s Christmas music this morning while at the computer. Always forget how beautiful Christmas music is until I hear it.

    I suppose I should have learned in 70 years to listen to it all year long.

    Christmas music is all love songs to our Lord.
    I always think of the story of the German soldier who was singing “Das Tannen Baugh” “Oh Christmas Tree” on Christmas Eve in the trenches of WWI that began a moment in that terrible war when men put down their guns, sang together, drank and ate together and for a while forgot they were enemies.

    O Come O Come Emmanuel indeed.


  48. jeff1 says:

    In Christ alone my hope is found
    He is my light, my strength, my song
    This Cornerstone, this solid ground
    Firm through the fiercest drought and storm

    What heights of love, what depths of peace
    When fears are stilled, when strivings cease
    My Comforter, my All in All
    Here in the love of Christ I stand

    In Christ alone, who took on flesh
    Fullness of God in helpless Babe
    This gift of love and righteousness
    Scorned by the ones He came to save

    ‘Til on that cross as Jesus died
    The wrath of God was satisfied
    For every sin on Him was laid
    Here in the death of Christ I live

    There in he ground His body lay
    Light of the world by darkness slain
    Then bursting forth in glorious Day
    Up from the grave He rose again

    And as He stands in victory
    Sin’s curse has lost its grip on me
    For I am His and He is mine
    Bought with the precious blood of Christ

    No guilt in life, no fear in death
    This is the power of Christ in me
    From life’s first cry to final breath
    Jesus commands my destiny

    No power of hell, no scheme of man
    Can ever pluck me from His hand
    ‘Til He returns or calls me home
    Here in the power of Christ I stand

  49. poohpity says:

    How many songs would we sing if we only had the mind of Christ!

    Therefore if you have any encouragement from being united with Christ, if any comfort from his love, if any common sharing in the Spirit, if any tenderness and compassion, 2 then make my joy complete by being like-minded, having the same love, being one in spirit and of one mind. 3 Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit. Rather, in humility value others above yourselves, 4 not looking to your own interests but each of you to the interests of the others.

    5 In your relationships with one another, have the same mindset as Christ Jesus:

    Who, being in very nature God,
    did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;
    rather, he made himself nothing
    by taking the very nature of a servant,
    being made in human likeness.
    And being found in appearance as a man,
    he humbled himself
    by becoming obedient to death—
    even death on a cross!

    Therefore God exalted him to the highest place
    and gave him the name that is above every name,
    that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
    in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
    and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord,
    to the glory of God the Father.

  50. foreverblessed says:

    Pooh, what Bible translation did you use the other day on
    Colossians 3, and above on Phil 2?
    I wouldn’t mind if you have the scripture reference, and the translation, thanks.

  51. poohpity says:

    Phil 2 was NIV; Col 3 was NLT both I use regularly along with ESV which is the translation I have chosen to read through this year but those are off the computer. But I have read through the bible using the KJV, NKJV, NIV, NLT but my favorite for just reading through the bible is my LAB/LT that my mom bought me in 1989 but my Genesis fell out and the binding is also ruined because of overuse, lol.

    LAB/LT= Life application Bible/ Living Translation

    When a scripture comes to mind if you just type it into the search bar that usually brings it up cause I am not that good with the addresses but I know the words and google finds the address for me.

  52. poohpity says:

    I sometimes leave out the scripture verses and translation hopefully for people to do a little searching or seeking on their own.

  53. jeff1 says:

    Just watched a movie called Casey’s Gift-For the love of a child which was all about the process of forgiveness and showing the emotions and difficulties that two families went through before forgiveness was complete.

    It give me hope that where there is a will then God is there to help you through it.

    The steps that lead to any church
    Form a stairway to a star
    There part of God and should be trod
    More often than they are

    I believe in the man in the sky
    I believe with His help I’ll get by
    My footsteps may falter
    My eyes may grow dim
    But He’s my Gibraltar
    I’m trusting in Him

    Though a sparrow is all I may be
    On me He will still keep an eye
    Yes I’m singing His praise
    Till the end of my days
    I believe in the man in the sky

    Sparrow, sparrow am I
    Keep an eye
    Yes I’m singing His praise
    Till the end of my days
    I believe in the man in the sky

  54. street says:

    jeff1 says:
    August 20, 2017 at 6:11 am

    response to post.

    2 As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins, 2 in which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient. 3 All of us also lived among them at one time, gratifying the cravings of our flesh and following its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature deserving of wrath.

    Hebrews 9:12
    He did not enter by means of the blood of goats and calves; but he entered the Most Holy Place once for all by his own blood, thus obtaining eternal redemption.

    Hebrews 9:14
    How much more, then, will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself unblemished to God, cleanse our consciences from acts that lead to death, so that we may serve the living God!

  55. foreverblessed says:

    Pooh, I have my bible laying on the table in front of me, I would like to look up passages in my own bible that I can hold with my hands.

    Maybe I am old fashioned. So just giving the scripture reference would do fine for me, thanks.

    The one Street gave without reference, just above, is:

    Ephesians 2:1-10

    (with a little bit extra, because such a beautiful verses)

    That one I know by heart, and can find it immediately.

    But the translation of Col 3:13 spake very clear to me. Much clearer than the KJV, or NIV:

    Make allowance for each other’s faults

    and forgive anyone who offends you

    Remember, the Lord forgave you, so you must forgive others.

    That is very very clear language: Whatever someone else is doing to you: Forgive, hold no grievances.

    That is such a big command!
    We always have to forgive, if the other person is showing repentance or not,
    if the other person is knowing what he/she has done or not:


  56. foreverblessed says:

    Then I thought: but what does the Greek say? Why suc a difference in wording?

    And I look it up in the biblehub site.

    I will give the literal translation from the site, where the NLT differs from the KJV

    Greek English

    anecomenoi bearing with

    allelon one another

    kai charizomenoi and forgiving

    heautois each other

    ean tis if anyone

    pros tina against another

    eche should have

    momphen a complaint

  57. foreverblessed says:

    There we go:
    if we do have a complaint against another:
    isn’t that hard jeff?

    Yes, it is!

    What I find hard is to let go of the complaint. There lies the discipline for me, in describing my complaint, and giving it to Jesus, at the Cross.
    and leaving it at the Cross.
    Now, the crux for me, is the leaving it there!
    Not picking it up, when I turn around, and bearing it with me all the time, which is: going over and over in my mind, what went wrong, and how, and that the other person is not showing any remorse or any such thing.

    That I should leave it with Christ, and leave it to the Holy Spirit, Christ brings forgiveness, the Holy Spirit brings training, the molding to perfection in the likeness of Jesus.

    The holding onto grievances is the thing of our old man. We must kill the old man.
    So now I stop the toughts when they are returning to the negative. Bringing them one time to Jesus is enough. But that repeating is useless.
    It is as you say: we may want to do it, but our flesh is weak. Yet, have no mercy on my own flesh! Grab the negativity, do not wallow in it. Grab it throuw it out.
    Not one time a day, a thousand times a day.

    ANd then it helps to just sing songs, but Jeff, you have said that often too: Singing spiritual songs help greatly. They fill my mind, and I am busy with God.

    So go on Jeff! Sing spiritual songs!

  58. SFDBWV says:

    Love Song…What other secular love song would fit today better than “Total Eclipse of the heart”?

    We won’t be under the 100% eclipse here in West Virginia, more like 85%, but with all the hype on TV Matt is wanting to see it. I remember the last one we were able to see a part of when Matt was small.

    Being a welder I have plenty of lenses enabling us to look at the sun. And so we will again today somewhere around 2:45pm.

    It is interesting what folks consider to be important. A solar event that is rare enables everyone to be involved at the same time for a single purpose. And for the moment forget about “politics”…

    I hope for any of you in the USA who get to see the eclipse today that you enjoy the moment.

  59. SFDBWV says:

    Good morning Foreverblessed (Rita), I suppose that you still wish not to reveal your real name and so I won’t until, or if you decide to share it. I do remember it from the hints you gave me long ago.

    Here are my thoughts concerning forgiveness.

    First of all I believe if offended, the offender should ask for forgiveness and we should comply without hesitation to do so.

    The problem is when the offender does not ask for forgiveness.
    The rift between remains a rift.
    However in our heart when we remain ready to forgive if the offender asks then we are in alignment with what the Scripture requires as for forgiving an offender.
    Our heart is right with God.

    Just as God is ready to forgive, He asks us to ask for forgiveness and to do so in the name of Jesus of Nazareth the Messiah.

    God has a willing heart to forgive and He asks that we also have a willing heart to forgive.

    But the offender must come to the place of recognizing their offence, ask to be forgiven, and if able make atonement for whatever the matter is about. This is what is best for the offender.

    If the offender believes that no matter what they continue to do we are under some obligation to forgive them without their part in the process, then they never come to that place of asking to be forgiven.

    The offender then is lost in limbo between our desire to forgive and their recognizing the wrong they have perpetrated against us, thus keeping the wound open and healing cannot come.

    God asks us to ask forgiveness of Him, why would He then ask us to forgive outside of His same framework?

    55 degrees (Fahrenheit) and clear this morning.


  60. foreverblessed says:

    Ok Steve, thanks, Rita would be fine!
    I should have been called Rita, that was my grandmothers name, they shortened it to Rie.
    At the end of her life she said, oh, you are called after me, but I forget, for you are not called Rie.
    So to do my grandmother a favor: Rita

    About forgiveness!
    The verses in Colossians do not have the extra you give.
    Do not hold on to your grievances!
    Simple instruction.

    1 Forgiveness means letting go of vengeance,
    Or in other words: leave the vengeance to God!

    Father, “forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing”

    That was the mind of Jesus. And we should cultivate that kind of Jesus. Or at least be willing to be changed by the Holy Spirit to so be milder.

    2 Forgiveness is not the same as reconciliation!

    When the other person shows remorse, repentance, says sorry, and with God’s help tries to change, then there is reconciliation!

    But until the other person shows no change, we be on our guards, but forgive anyway.
    Like it was said of Jesus:
    He did not show Himself to men, for He knew what was in their hearts. But He forgave them anyway.
    … for they do not know what they are doing

    3 Forgive is also letting go, meaning to keep yourself healthy. Holding on to grudges make you sick.
    So every time I remember the grudge, hand it over to Jesus, and start blessing the other instead.

    And so obeying the command:
    Do not be over by evil, but overcome evil with good.

    “Bless those who curse you, do good to those who have you”

    So, no, you do not go on as usual with the unrepentant person, but bless the more actively.
    Also, the blessing being a shield around yourself not to get hurt by the evil one.

  61. foreverblessed says:

    We must not forget that we do not fight against other persons….
    but against evil that is in another person, where they are not aware of it.

    Remember how you were once, lost in your sinful state
    Ephesians 2:1-4

    It was through the grace of God that we came to see that we were under influence of the evil one. Up to that time we thought we were entitled to our grievances.

    Thanks to the beam of Light, that as a great miracle opened our eyes!
    2 Cor 4:6NIV

  62. foreverblessed says:

    Bless those who hate you

    That is what I wanted to write, the auto spelling changed hate into have.

    But that verse is not in the Bible,
    But ” bless those who curse you, and pray for those who ill-treat you”
    Matt 5:44, Luke 6:28

    But we must first come to Jesus, hide in His secret place, and be strengthened in Him!
    When we are damaged, hurt and out of our selves, first go to Jesus, seek refuge in Him.
    And the By Spirit will by and by strengthen us, and give us small commands, for that particular person the best way to recover.

    I myself have been protected from a dominant family member. And it was always a supernatural intervention! I was ways amazed how God was so kind to me!
    Until last fall, and I got the unreserved fury over me.
    At that time I immediately knew that God was taking me on a higher plane: I must have grown stronger in Christ, I thought, so God saw me fit to face it.
    Then I so saw how great the hold of evil was on this man, and how not aware he is about it.
    Oh Lord, have mercy on this man, he does not know what he is doing.

    But when I wanted to write back to him, I saw how easily I would get angered: “who does he think he is?!”
    Is that a Christlike thought?
    No, it is my own old man.
    Kill it.

    So in working through this my own old man is thrown out.
    What good would it do to my own so if I want to set straight others, and yet fail myself?

  63. poohpity says:

    “Forgiveness” by Matthew West

    It’s the hardest thing to give away
    And the last thing on your mind today
    It always goes to those that don’t deserve

    It’s the opposite of how you feel
    When the pain they caused is just too real
    It takes everything you have just to say the word…


    It flies in the face of all your pride
    It moves away the mad inside
    It’s always anger’s own worst enemy
    Even when the jury and the judge
    Say you gotta right to hold a grudge
    It’s the whisper in your ear saying ‘Set It Free’

    Forgiveness, Forgiveness
    Forgiveness, Forgiveness

    Show me how to love the unlovable
    Show me how to reach the unreachable
    Help me now to do the impossible

    Forgiveness, Forgiveness

    Help me now to do the impossible

    It’ll clear the bitterness away
    It can even set a prisoner free
    There is no end to what it’s power can do
    So, let it go and be amazed
    By what you see through eyes of grace
    The prisoner that it really frees is you

    Forgiveness, Forgiveness
    Forgiveness, Forgiveness

    Show me how to love the unlovable
    Show me how to reach the unreachable
    Help me now to do the impossible

    I want to finally set it free
    So show me how to see what Your mercy sees
    Help me now to give what You gave to me
    Forgiveness, Forgiveness

  64. Beloved says:

    Sacrificial love as Jesus showed us is the kind that never demands it’s own way. Am I capable of singing such a love song? No, but I know the One who is capable and I know He can do what I can’t. Trust God, seek His face, and everything you need to live a righteous life will come. The very special love song of the beloved.

  65. poohpity says:

    Forgiveness was what cost Jesus His life and He gave it freely. He never asked us to ask for it but only to receive it. Forgiveness was completed on the Cross and the relationship between God and man was restored. So we really do not have to ask for it again because it was finished on that day when the sun was darkened out for three hours in the middle of the day. So when we see the eclipse today for the few minutes just think during that time on the Cross when all our sins were loaded on the back of the sinless, innocent man the world became dark when His light went out for us, even though we never asked Him to do it, He did it because of the love He had for humanity and the desire for us to spend eternity with Him in paradise.

    That kind of love people wrote love songs even though they may not have known about it, they did know about love and sometimes the pain and rejection that it brings.

  66. poohpity says:

    “(Where Do I Begin) Love Story”
    (from the movie “Love Story” starring Ryan O’Neal and All McGraw)

    Where do I begin
    To tell the story of how great a love can be
    The sweet love story that is older than the sea
    The simple truth about the love she brings to me
    Where do I start

    With her first hello
    She gave new meaning to this empty world of mine
    There’d never be another love, another time
    She came into my life and made the living fine
    She fills my heart

    She fills my heart with very special things
    With angels’ songs , with wild imaginings
    She fills my soul with so much love
    That anywhere I go I’m never lonely
    With her around, who could be lonely
    I reach for her hand-it’s always there

    How long does it last
    Can love be measured by the hours in a day
    I have no answers now but this much I can say
    I know I’ll need her till the stars all burn away
    And she’ll be there

    How long does it last
    Can love be measured by the hours in a day
    I have no answers now but this much I can say
    I know I’ll need her till the stars all burn away
    And she’ll be there

    “Love means never having to say your sorry” from “Love Story” the movie

  67. SFDBWV says:

    Rita…I hope nothing I say gets lost in translation, as I too believe it God’s intent to forgive all in the end.

    In the Garden God already knew all that had taken place with the serpent, the forbidden fruit, Eve and Adam, yet still God ask Adam why he and Eve were hiding and if they had eaten of the tree.

    God wanted Adam to admit his guilt.

    In my opinion God already knew Adam would fail to keep His one and only command well before the creation of Adam, and already devised a way for forgiveness to come.

    So in this light God already had forgiven Adam even before Adam sinned.

    We talk of people who have offended us and say we have forgiven them, even believing in our hearts we have, yet we still remember the offence.

    God says that as far as the east is from the west He will put our sins from Him.

    Not until the very end of all things will all the former things be forgotten.

    Here is the trap; if we think we take the higher road and say we forgive thereby making us feel we have done the right thing only because it is a command from God to do so, we haven’t really forgiven at all. We just are trying to obey what we think is a commandment from God…Obeying a new law.

    If someone offends us we have the power to not let that person or their offense have possession of us by letting it go. Once it doesn’t matter to us it has no control over us. It just isn’t important any more.

    If that person is constantly before you and perhaps constantly offending you it becomes almost impossible to forgive or to move on without a change of heart from the offender.

    The only defense then is that shield, that armor of God to protect you from the fiery darts that come against you.

    Forgiveness begins when the darts no longer matter or stop. Forgiveness begins then but becomes complete when the offender asks for forgiveness realizing their offence.

    In the Law of Moses there were a difference between a sin committed on purpose and one did out of ignorance.

    Jesus fulfills both from the cross.

    Forgiving someone who never asks for it is a lonely one sided act, forgiving someone who asks for it reunites the two of you and restores a relationship.

    It is ok that we may see this matter differently, as what is important to me is that we seek to forgive however it may come.

    In that we fulfill the matter given in the “Lord’s Prayer”.

    “Forgive me father as I forgive others”… God forgives because He wants to and provided a way to. We forgive because we want to and though God has already provided the way, He will help us to find peace.


  68. foreverblessed says:

    Steve, sorry, I do not want to sound as a naysayer.
    I will read your comment later. I’ve got to go.
    Will you now drive to see the eclips? Or just stay at home?

  69. Beloved says:

    To either give or receive a gift my hands must be empty.

  70. poohpity says:

    I forgive because God forgave me. To me it is saying that what he did was worthless because I know I did not deserve forgiveness so to withhold it from someone else, I know I will not be forgiven myself. Matt 6:14-15 NLT

  71. jeff1 says:

    I do not find forgiveness easy because the reality of how it affects me emotionally comes into play. I want to forgive but while I am hurting myself and see my friends hurting and see no change in the offenders then forgiveness is difficult and if I cannot fix it myself then I give it to God and take refuge in Christ knowing that He understands my pain and guilt for failing to resolve it.

    Time is a healer and as Forever says if I sing my songs of praise to God and focus on Him rather then the offender then I am not allowing them into my heart or mind and they cannot damage me anymore than they have.

    It is I who needs to move on as the offenders are not known to me personally but their actions have effected my well being and I do not believe God wants me to feel the way I feel as He will deal with their offence in His time and place.

    I have held a personal grudge from childhood against a teacher which I have only just come to terms with within the last few years.

    I can tell you that I feel better in myself for being now able to speak to this teacher without feeling anger burning inside of me. She has no idea of how I felt because my friend advised me that it had happened too long ago (some 50 years ago) and it would do not good to confront her so with the help of God I have come to a place where I find I have no longer hostile feelings and can speak to her as I would any other.

    There has been great peace for me in resolving this as I feel closer to God since I did. That is why I want to forgive or at the very least forget the pain that those I don’t know have done so that I am not allowing their offence to disturb my peace with God because I believe God wants me to trust Him with their trespass so that it does not burden me anymore than I have already allowed it to.

    I am learning that I am very good a heaping goals on my own head when I do not entrust to God matters that God intends me to.

  72. street says:

    Exodus 26:30 Then you shall erect the tabernacle according to its plan which you have been shown in the mountain.

    Jesus is our Tabernacle, High Priest, and Sacrifice. we are to be conformed to His image.

    thinking of the erection process of the Holy Spirit…..God left nothing to chance. oh may we come to rest and trust in Him.

  73. street says:

    22 And in him you too are being built together to become a dwelling in which God lives by his Spirit.

  74. street says:

    love songs
    thinking Jesus died to bring unity/ God and man. we must deny ourselves and take up our cross to maintain this unity? disunity is a frightful prospect for the believer.

  75. Beloved says:

    I was having the same thoughts street just a few minutes ago. Precarious yet lovely Walk we have with our maker. Surrender is a fight sometimes but He is so faithful to wait.

  76. SFDBWV says:

    Foreverblessed, Rita, I would never accuse you of being a naysayer. We are in agreement as we seek salvation for all, even an enemy.

    We like our neighbors watched the eclipse from our back yards. We did not have 100% eclipse more like 90%, but it still was thrilling to observe.

    As the black moon began to cover the sun there began an eerie shadow to fall over us increasing as the sun became more covered. The temperature cooled down and there was a cool breeze that accompanied it. At its zenith for us there was just a small slender crescent at the top of the black moon.

    The whole thing took about 45 minutes from start to its peak. We didn’t watch it after it reached its zenith. Then we went back inside and back to our usual duties. I was fixing Matt’s dinner and he was at the computer playing solitaire. Glenna watched for a little longer then went on to other things as well.

    I would have to say of all the hype that was in the news about it, it was worth it to watch and strange to think that millions of people were doing the same thing.

    57 degrees Fahrenheit under a clear starry sky.


  77. jeff1 says:

    Street 9.08 pm disunity is a frightful thought for the believer
    Beloved 10.39 pm

    Yet it is disunity I see that disturbs my peace with God because living in a country where religion is divisive how can I not?

    Psalm 139 23-24

    Search me, O God, and know my heart; Try me and know my anxious thoughts;
    And see if there be any hurtful way in me, And lead me in the everlasting way.

  78. jeff1 says:

    I come to the garden alone,
    While the dew is still on the roses;
    And the voice I hear, falling on my ear,
    The Son of God discloses.

    And He walks with me and He talks with me,
    And He tells me I am His own,
    And the joy we share as we tarry there,
    None other has ever known.

    He speaks, and the sound of His voice
    Is so sweet the birds hush their singing;
    And the melody that He gave to me
    Within my heart is ringing.

    And He walks with me, and He talks with me,
    And He tells me I am His own,
    And the joy we share as we tarry there,
    None other has ever known.

    I’d stay in the garden with Him
    Tho’ the night around me be falling;
    But He bids me go; through the voice of woe,
    His voice to me is calling.

    And He walks with me, and He talks with me,
    And He tells me I am His own,
    And the joy we share as we tarry there,
    None other has ever known.

  79. SFDBWV says:

    Learned something new yesterday while watching all the TV coverage about the eclipse. It is one of those anomalies that physicist’s haven’t been able to figure out.

    The corona that is visible during total eclipse is solar wind that emits from our sun at a rate of 200 miles per second. What confuses the physicist’s is how this “stuff” gains momentum from a starting point of zero miles per minute to 200 miles per second all on what seems to be under its own power.

    No matter which science you follow, the closer you look, the deeper you explore, the more questions come and a clearer picture of a “Creator” emerges.

    That is when the real questions begin.


  80. Beloved says:

    Believing is easy, it’s the living out of Jesus’s commands that’s tough. It takes a very real personal relationship to do that. Loving enemies, giving up anything I’m attached to that turns me away from complete devotion to Him. Search my heart oh God, and see if there be any wicked eat about me

  81. Beloved says:

    wicked way about me, sorry. Humility goes a long way in living out belief. It’s a Kingdom rule though.

  82. Beloved says:

    Jeff1 no matter what religions are doing to one another you can still enjoy real fellowship with Christ. Religions have been fighting since before Jesus’s time. Cane killed Abel over religious practice. You CAN have peace with God in spite of the disunity around you. Jesus said so.

  83. Beloved says:

    Peace I leave with you, not as the world leaves but as I do, Jesus said. He has overcome the world.

  84. Beloved says:

    Bible > John > Chapter 14 > Verse 27
    ◄ John 14:27 ►
    Verse (Click for Chapter)
    New International Version
    Peace I leave with you; my peace I give you. I do not give to you as the world gives. Do not let your hearts be troubled and do not be afraid.

    New Living Translation
    “I am leaving you with a gift–peace of mind and heart. And the peace I give is a gift the world cannot give. So don’t be troubled or afraid.

    English Standard Version
    Peace I leave with you; my peace I give to you. Not as the world gives do I give to you. Let not your hearts be troubled, neither let them be afraid.

    Berean Study Bible
    Peace I leave with you; My peace I give to you. I do not give to you as the world gives. Do not let your hearts be troubled; do not be afraid.

    Berean Literal Bible
    Peace I leave with you; My peace I give to you. Not as the world gives do I give to you. Let not your heart be troubled, nor let it fear.

    New American Standard Bible
    “Peace I leave with you; My peace I give to you; not as the world gives do I give to you. Do not let your heart be troubled, nor let it be fearful.

    King James Bible
    Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.

    Holman Christian Standard Bible
    “Peace I leave with you. My peace I give to you. I do not give to you as the world gives. Your heart must not be troubled or fearful.

    International Standard Version
    I’m leaving you at peace. I’m giving you my own peace. I’m not giving it to you as the world gives. So don’t let your hearts be troubled, and don’t be afraid.

  85. jeff1 says:

    Science like most things if in the right hands can teach us but in the wrong hands I will not go there.

    About two weeks ago I was at my sister’s house and she was listening to the news which I do not normally watch and when I heard what was on it then I am glad that I do not because what scientists gets up to does disturb me when it begins to seem quite Frankenstein.

    The scientist was talking about how they are pioneering taking body parts from pigs to implant in humans and there are alarms bells ringing in my head at just how wrong this all sounds.

    While Scientists may have good intentions they are man driven and not God given and yet people get drawn into it.

    To the worldly mind the evil is not always apparent because the motives seem justified, God always knows best because He knows His creation best.

    The more I hear and see of this world the more I understand why God says do not make it your home.

    This world is not my home I’m just a passing through
    My treasurers are laid up somewhere beyond the blue
    The angels beckon me from heaven’s open door
    And I can’t feel at home in this world anymore
    Oh Lord you know I have no friend like you
    If heaven’s not my home then Lord what will I do
    The angels beckon me from heaven’s open door
    And I can’t feel at home in this world anymore

    I have a loving mother just over in glory land
    And I don’t expect to stop until I shake her hand
    She’s waiting now for me in heaven’s open door
    And I can’t feel at home in this world anymore
    Oh Lord you know I have no friend like you
    If heaven’s not my home then Lord what will I do

    The angels beckon me from heaven’s open door
    And I can’t feel at home in this world anymore

    Just over in glory land
    We’ll live eternally
    The saints on every hand are shouting victory

    Their songs of sweetest praise
    Drift back from heaven’s shore
    And I can’t feel at home in this world anymore

    Oh Lord you know I have no friend like you
    If heaven’s not my home then Lord what will I do

    The angels beckon me from heaven’s open door
    And I can’t feel at home in this world anymore

  86. foreverblessed says:

    Dear everybody! I want to thank Steve for being polite and kind, and respecting my wish not to use my name.

    I have asked Mart to delete it. Thank you very much Mart for taking the effort to do so, I hope it will not be needful again. So I want to ask Pooh to respect my wish too!

    If someone is offended by that, that is not my intention. But this is not a secluded get together, we are on the worldwide web.

    And then, Rita is short for my first christian name. And I am beginning to get used to it, and am starting to get fond of it. My grandmother wished I had been named like that. So in honor of my grandmother, Rita it is.
    Well, my grandmother had even a more shortened version: Rie, but that is too alien for you guys, (and too old fashioned for me.)

  87. foreverblessed says:

    Posted it too soon.
    I wanted to give a blessing to you all, with a loving heart!

  88. poohpity says:

    forever, years ago you gave the hint of what your name was but I do not remember ever asking it to not be used, for that I am very sorry to have used it. There are others on here who explicitly asked not to have their real names exposed because it gives them a means to hind behind a handle and I have never broken that request. After reading and listening to many on here I have respected their requests and if I would have ever read that kind of request from you I would have also respected it. I just thought after you have repeatedly said your name was not Rita it would not be used any more. Again forgive me for mentioning the unmentionable.

  89. foreverblessed says:

    I am very glad that you say sorry!
    I have forgiven you.
    But I want to talk a little about it:

    I thought I was very clear in asking:
    Use Rita!

    And then you did what you did.
    I felt being betrayed by you.

    From what I read now what you say about it, my conclusion is: you are a very bad reader. You did not read very well what I did write on August 21, 6.32.

    Otherwise if you had read with interest you would never have done it.
    Another thing: I still do not understand why you did not ask first? Can you explain that?

    But I have forgiven it, I am very happy that you said sorry, you do not know how dear that is to me.

    Maybe I do not know the real meaning of forgiveness, as Steve says, it is also forgetting. You let go and don’t talk about it anymore.
    I want to talk it over with you.

  90. foreverblessed says:

    Years ago I gave a clue, because I wanted you guys to know it. At that time I was still worried about my old church.
    I was the only one with that name.
    But now I just know that I want to remain hidden on internet.
    If God wants it otherwise, I am sure He will show it to me.

    The nice thing about this is that I really am getting fond of the name Rita, it becomes mine, and it helps getting closer to my grandmother, I was not very fond of her anymore when I turned into my 20’s. In fact resentment I happened to let in. God, forgive me for that.

    So it also works in being reconciled with my grandmother.

  91. foreverblessed says:

    About forgiveness: Steve, I think we are saying the same thing, only our definition is different.
    What you call letting go, I call forgiveness.
    And what you call forgiveness, is something beyond my comprehension: forgiving inclusive of forgetting.

    Something only God can do, how can we forget? Maybe we have to ask God: You work a miracle in us, so we can forget.

    What also helps is understanding, if we understand why the other did what they did, it is easier to forgive.
    Like I want to understand Pooh, I specifically said: use Rita, and still did what she did.
    It is easier for me to forgive, knowing that she has not read very well what I wrote, ( sorry Pooh for saying: bad reader, not reading very well is a more friendly description) That makes it easier for me.
    What if she did it deliberately, I still have to forgive, but it is so difficult to understand.

    I believe that Jesus tells us: Look to Me.
    Concentrating on Jesus, on who He is, what He has done, and I will absorb more of Him, and my inner being is changed. AND slowly I will begin to see with the eyes of Jesus! He sees the greatest criminal, who kills for pleasure, Jesus understands! I just run away, and have to hide in His Shelter, Psalm 91:1

  92. SFDBWV says:

    Memory is an interesting thing. I have read many medical theories as to where memory is stored in the brain, yet too often the medical world finds out that they really can’t pin point all of what the brain does enough to say for sure.

    Matthew suffers from short term and long term memory loss, yet every so often he pops up with some memory that seemed to come out of nowhere.

    Matt’s damage to his brain came from a loss of blood. At the time the doctors had no idea what he might be able to do and what he wouldn’t, thinking also that he would not survive.

    Dr. Quinter Beery was Matt’s first speech therapist and there is no contest that he was the best at knowing Matt’s condition and showed us the most compassion and understanding at that time.

    He said that Matt’s memories were like a gig saw puzzle with all the pieces out of place. Every so often the pieces come together.

    In some ways for Matt not to be able to remember everything is good for him. Though during those moments that he has what looks like a panic attack calling out to me needing my touch and sliding into what looks also like a seizure, I am not sure he isn’t reliving the first moments of his accident.

    I would have to say that it is healthiest for us to get to that place where painful or upsetting memories are either forgotten altogether or that they just don’t hurt or anger us anymore.

    We become freed then of their hold on us.

    Jesus, the great physician, came in order to heal us and set us free. I believe this and though sometimes it is a process instead of instantly accomplished if we allow Him to, we will be healed. Healed of painful memories that cause resentment and un-forgiveness.

    Dr. Kickzallas, Matt’s psychiatrist, also said that in dealing with Matt’s needs, life becomes a dance.

    I find this true for every relationship. Sometimes we lead, sometimes we follow, but we do so together in the dance of life.

    The best dances are always done to the music of a love song.

    62 and light rain.


  93. jeff1 says:

    That seems to be the story of my life Forever, running away and taking shelter because I have difficulty understanding why my enemies can do what they do so rather than trying to forgive I try to forget and leave it with God and take shelter in Christ.

    My dad walked closer to God and I don’t believe he seen a difference in what our enemies were doing and we were doing because of that closeness.

    Walking with God meant he could be objective and did not see it from his religion or culture but from how God would see it.

    My dad was old school highly disciplined from his war service and Palestine Police.

    Today’s world is very undisciplined and to my thinking where the problem lies. I knew my parents cared because I had boundaries but going by what I am told of schools today the children have no boundaries and discipline is a thing of the past.

    The younger generations sees our ways as outdated and controlling and I can assure you my dad was never controlling, caring but not controlling.

    I see myself as a product of a time when values and virtues mattered and sadly this world seems to be moving away from such values.

    Science and technology is today’s God and while there are great advantages to both it concerns me what scientist’s get up to in what they see as progress.

    Taking animals organs to implant in humans is not God’s way of changing us but man’s way.

    I never said that I would give you silver or gold
    Or that you would never feel the fire or shiver in the cold
    But I did say you’d never walk through this world alone
    And I did say, don’t make this world your home

    I never said that fear wouldn’t find you in the night
    Or that loneliness was something you wouldn’t have to fight
    But I did say I’d be right there by your side
    And I did say I’d always help you fight

    ‘Cause you know I made a promise that I intend to keep
    My grace will be sufficient in every time of need
    My love will be the anchor that you can hold on to
    This is the promise, this is the promise I made to you

    I never said that friends would turn their backs on you
    Or that the world around you wouldn’t see you as a fool
    But I did see like me, you’ll surely be despised
    And I did say my ways confound the wise

    I didn’t say you’d never taste the bitter kiss of death
    Or have to walk through chilly Jordan to enter into rest
    But I did say I’d be waiting right on the other side (yeah, yeah)
    And I did say I’ll dry every tear you cry

    ‘Cause you know I’ve made a promise that I’ve prepared a place
    And some day sooner than you think you’ll see me face to face
    And you’ll sing with the angels and a countless multitude
    This is the promise, this is the promise I’ve made to you

    So just keep on walkin’, don’t turn to the left or right
    And in the midst of darkness, let this be your light
    That hell can’t separate us and you’re gonna make it through
    This is the promise, this is the promise I made to you, oh
    This is the promise, this is the promise I made to you

  94. poohpity says:

    Do not give holy things to deprived people because they only turn around and attack you. Matt 7 Enough of me saying I am sorry again, your response forever is the exact reason I stopped.

    If I were such a bad reader then I would have never known your real name, now would I? Did any one else know? If you would have never said anything no one still would have figured it out either.

    Forever, half the time I have to decipher what is said anyway from the broken English mixed with the native tongue and the obfuscated point, so no I did not understand that you did not want anyone to know from what you wrote. I do not lie.

  95. poohpity says:

    If people have to hide who they are from the things they write then maybe, just maybe they should not have written them. People are only as sick as the secrets they keep.

  96. foreverblessed says:

    ” OK, Steve, Rita would be fine.
    So to do my grandmother a favor: Rita”

  97. foreverblessed says:

    How can I be anymore clearer Pooh???

    I am trying to understand you Pooh, relax, I have forgiven you. Forgetting is another thing.
    ” Just move forward, do not talk about it anymore”
    I hear ringing in my ear, forget about it.

  98. foreverblessed says:

    Sorry Pooh, sorry guys, I am very sorry.

    I should not have talked it through, it does not get any better.

    We have been talking about forgiving and forgetting.

    Steve was saying that forgiving does include forgetting.

    Now in real life I am beginning to be convinced that indeed, forgiving means also forgetting.

    Yes, I should have said:

    “Sorry taken Pooh! Thank you very much for your sorry.

    I do rejoyce about your sorry!”

  99. foreverblessed says:

    Now forgiving and forgetting.

    Years ago I gave a devotion about it, I remember od in Cornwall, who was par tof the blog at that time, he was deeply impressed by its message.

    God calling May 3, by twolisteners

    Kill self now

    Self dethroned – that is the lesson, but in its place put Love for Me, knowledge of Me.

    Self, not only dethroned, but dead. A dead self is not an imprisoned self. An imprisoned self is more potent to harm. In all training – (in Mine of you, and in yours of others) – let self die.

    But for each blow to the life of self you must at the same time embrace and hold fast the new Life, Life with Me.

    It is not a dead self that men have to fear, but a thwarted, captive, imprisoned self. That self is infinitely more self-centered than the self-allowed full play. But to you, My children, I teach a higher science-law than even freedom of the self. I teach death to the self. No repressions, just death. Petty self-life exchanged for Divine Life

    And now I can make more clear to you what I would say about forgiveness of injuries.

    But what you do not see is that you, the self in you, can never forgive injuries. The very thought of them means self in the foreground, then the injury, instead of appearing less, appears greater. It is one of My commands that as you seek My forgiveness, so you must forgive.

    No, My children, as all true Love is of God and is God, so all true forgiveness is of God and is God. The self cannot forgive. Kill self.

    Cease trying to forgive those who fretted or wronged you. It is a mistake to think about it. Aim at killing the self now – in your daily life, and then, and not until then, you will find there is nothing that even remembers injury, because the only one injured, the self, is dead.

    As long as it recurs to your mind you deceive yourself if you think it forgiven.

    Many deceive themselves in this.

    Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with
    him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that
    henceforth we should not serve sin. Romans 6:6

  100. foreverblessed says:

    I was wandering at that time, is this really what Jesus is teaching us?
    Can you not talk it over. So as to see where the things went on the wrong track, and learn from it whatever you can do to prevent it happening again?

    Or is it really more radical:
    If, and when you remember the hurt: kill the old self. Whatever that means, at least it means, stop thinking about it immediately!

    I have heard stories of christians who were healed of their memories in a miracle.
    But if we are not healed in an instance, it means that we have to work it out in an active motion:
    kill the old man.
    Or as I would comprehend it:
    Kill the thoughts about the bad things.

  101. poohpity says:

    Yep that is really clear, bahahbabhaaa It seems you are just making excuses that you actually did not say you did not want anyone to know your real name. If you did say, “I do not want anyone to know my real name” then it would be very clear. Just be honest then you could understand people who are.

  102. foreverblessed says:

    And the most important thing forgot:
    Fill my life with Eternal Life, Focus on Jesus, and who He is, how He is.
    Ask from the Holy Spirit: Love, peace, patience, longsuffering,… and self-control
    Gal 5:22-23

  103. jeff1 says:

    Thinking Forever how I understand you so well and you understand how in my heart I want to forgive and I disappoint myself when I allow my enemies by their words or actions to disturb my peace because I know it is right to leave it to God. Vengeance is mine saith the Lord and I also know because my dad raised me to do what is right even though I struggle with it.

    You are a real encouragement to me as I understand you very well and just want you to know that for your own encouragement.

    It is a wonderful mystery that although from different cultures and countries we desire the same from God that He strengthens us to be free from the sins that so easy ensnare us when we take our eyes of Him.

    That He never leaves us is such a comfort when I feel like I am NOT making progress but having this blog to read others setbacks and progress is what keeps me encouraged and what I believe God wants us to do so that we are unified in our desire to do what is right in His sight as we know that faith pleases God and mystifies our enemies.

    May this beautiful song remind you that your a rose.

    If people dressed in colours
    According to their deeds
    Then many leading men would dress in black
    And lots of unsung heroes
    Who never made a name
    Would be walking round
    With gold upon their backs

    Heaven knows
    You’re a rose
    And the love inside your heart
    Just grows and grows
    No one sees
    I suppose
    That it’s something only me
    And heaven knows

    If people where like flowers
    Imagine what you’d see
    Thorns in highest places
    Where the roses ought to be
    And down along the hedgerows
    Among the grasses tall
    You would find the sweetest
    Roses of them all

    Repeat Chorus:

    If people where like music
    Some hearts would never sing
    Think of all the happiness
    A song like yours could bring
    You fill the life I’m living
    With love and harmony
    And you’re the sweetest song
    I’ll ever see

    Repeat Chorus twice:

    That it’s something only me
    And heaven knows

  104. Beloved says:


    To those who have had no agony Jesus says, “I have nothing for you; stand on your own feet, square your own shoulders. I have come for the man who knows he has a bigger handful than he can cope with, who knows there are forces he cannot touch; I will do everything for him if he will let Me. Only let a man grant he needs it, and I will do it for him.” The Shadow of an Agony, 1166

  105. street says:

    4. That word above all earthly powers,
    no thanks to them, abideth;
    the Spirit and the gifts are ours,
    thru him who with us sideth.
    Let goods and kindred go,
    this mortal life also;
    the body they may kill;
    God’s truth abideth still;
    his kingdom is forever.

  106. street says:

    ops for got to give credit to the Holy Spirit and the Hymn the last post was from
    A Mighty Fortress Is Our God

  107. Beloved says:

    Martin Luther, who wrote that hymn along with John Calvin started the Protestant Reformation in the 16th century. The foundational beliefs are rooted in what’s called the 5 solas.

    The Five Solas are five Latin phrases (or slogans) that emerged during the Reformation to summarize the Reformers’ theological convictions about the essentials of Christianity.
    The Five Solas are:
    Sola Scriptura (“Scripture alone”): The Bible alone is our highest authority.
    Sola Fide (“faith alone”): We are saved through faith alone in Jesus Christ.
    Sola Gratia (“grace alone”): We are saved by the grace of God alone.
    Solus Christus (“Christ alone”): Jesus Christ alone is our Lord, Savior, and King.
    Soli Deo Gloria (“to the glory of God alone”): We live for the glory of God alone.

  108. Beloved says:

    I believe that whatever love song we as believers in Christ may enjoy if it doesn’t fit with the 5 solas it is false and leading us away from Truth. Human emotion must also submit to the Truth.

  109. Beloved says:

    Isaiah 32:17
    And the work of righteousness will be peace, And the service of righteousness, quietness and confidence forever

  110. Beloved says:

    Returning a love song to God:
    Col 3:16
    New International Version
    Let the message of Christ dwell among you richly as you teach and admonish one another with all wisdom through psalms, hymns, and songs from the Spirit, singing to God with gratitude in your hearts.

  111. jeff1 says:

    I do not look to songs for truth but to find words that I cannot find myself which comfort and encourage.

    It is God who gives us the songs for all that is good has its source in Him.

    When I read the Five Solas it tells me we are chosen for God’s purpose and our being is very much of God’s will and how God uses me/us for His purpose is predestined.

    I believe God’s work through me/us and unseen is for the Salvation of many. Nothing to this world I bring simply to the cross I cling.

    What a privilege to be used by God and how ashamed I am that I ever doubted Him.

    Not surprising that I am always looking to hide from Him.

    Rock of Ages, cleft for me,
    let me hide myself in thee;
    let the water and the blood,
    from thy wounded side which flowed,
    be of sin the double cure;
    save from wrath, and make me pure.

    Not the labours of my hands
    can fulfil they law’s demands;
    could my zeal no respite know,
    oould my tears forever flow,
    all for sin could not atone;
    thou must save, and thou alone.

    Nothing in my hand I bring,
    simply to the cross I cling;
    naked, come to thee for dress;
    helpless, look to thee for grace;
    foul, I to thy fountain fly;
    wash me, Saviour, or I die.

    While I draw this fleeting breath,
    while mine eyes shall close in death
    when I soar to worlds unknown,
    see thee on thy judgement throne,
    Rock of Ages, cleft for me,
    let me hide myself in thee.

  112. foreverblessed says:

    I am asking forgiveness Pooh, for trying to talk of over, instead of just accepting your sorry. I was really happy with you saying sorry!
    Would you please forgive me?

  113. foreverblessed says:

    And good morning Jeff! Thank you for your great encouragement!

    We are work in progress! Gods Holy Spirit’s work.
    It’s touch…

  114. SFDBWV says:

    Songs are poems put to music. This is what the entire book of Psalms are.

    It is written that we will all be held accountable for every word spoken, even incoherent babbling.

    God spoke everything into existence.

    There is power in what we say. The power to bless as well as the power to curse.

    The choice is ours to lift up or put down with our tongues.

    When we hurt others by what we may say the first person who is hurt is God, the second is the person who is attacked and the third and perhaps hurt the most is the one who makes that ugly face and spews hateful biting things at another.

    Yesterday the new Pastor at one of the churches here in town came up to visit Matt. Before leaving he read from Psalms 61 and then we had prayer. Psalms 61 ends in part with these words, “So will I sing praise unto thy name forever…”

    What is germinated in our heart becomes an idea in our minds and is either acted out with our hands or our tongues. We read the Psalms and sing hymns because someone spoke them into existence and wrote them down with their hands.

    Read what it is we say and then ask, who is it we serve by what we have written?

    Psalms 22 is a reflection of Jesus on the cross, hardly seen as a love song, but the one song sang the one act of love that all of mankind needed to receive.

    45 degrees Fahrenheit under a stark clear starry sky.


  115. SFDBWV says:

    Foreverblessed, Rita, you are a blessing and a voice of encouragement to all here. Thank you for your continued presence here.

    Sadly the same cannot be said of all, but in the Lord there is hope that rebirth will come and joy abound.


  116. jeff1 says:


  117. Beloved says:

    Some have more history with sin than others. What to do? Paul taught that those are to be given more grace, Romans 14:17. That to cause hurt to a weaker brother/sister is to hurt Christ. Calling one that Christ died for

  118. poohpity says:

    I wonder if instead of “Some have more history with sin than others.” It may read some have more history of “recognizing” the sin in their own lives than others do because they are aware of the fact that all sin in some form or another which keeps them from pointing fingers at others. Only the one without sin has any room to talk but He came to save not condemn and that would bring a love song to anyone’s lips.

  119. Beloved says:

    one who makes ugly faces, enemy etc is not building up but tearing down. Those who are stronger in the faith, as Paul was, should be examples of the abundance of grace they have received, don’t you think Steve? Pettiness and fighting may continue yet strong Godly leaders are needed all the more,

  120. Beloved says:

    Sorry my 9:59 and 10:30 posts were interrupted by a phone call but they go together.

    Poohpity awareness of sin doesn’t make for change. Change is what can be seen, heard, and felt.

  121. street says:

    one who makes ugly faces, enemy etc is not building up but tearing down. Those who are stronger in the faith, as Paul was, should be examples of the abundance of grace they have received, don’t you think Steve? Pettiness and fighting may continue yet strong Godly leaders are needed all the more,

    23 I call God as my witness—and I stake my life on it—that it was in order to spare you that I did not return to Corinth. 24 Not that we lord it over your faith, but we work with you for your joy, because it is by faith you stand firm.

    working with you for your joy.

    27 Do not work for the food which perishes, but for the food which endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give to you, for on Him the Father, God, has set His seal.” 28 Therefore they said to Him, “What shall we do, so that we may work the works of God?” 29 Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent.”

    19 Those whom I love, I reprove and discipline; therefore be zealous and repent. 20 Behold, I stand at the door and knock; if anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and will dine with him, and he with Me. 21 He who overcomes, I will grant to him to sit down with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne. 22 He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.’”

  122. poohpity says:

    awareness of sin stops people from looking at the sin in others is what I was saying. If one does not know they are sinning then will they be fully aware of the grace they were shown? God will only change those who rely on Him to do so, not in their own power but through His. Self awareness only helps one to recognize they have to room to talk about others and that is a change from the way people of the world normally act.

  123. poohpity says:

    oops, “have to room” should read “have no room”.

  124. Beloved says:

    I’ve found there is no joy for anyone when analyzed. Paul’s rebukes brought joy because of a cleaning up of wrong behavior. The Holy Spirits only desire is to be able to present Holy people to God the Father. He sure is a Gift to us!

  125. jeff1 says:

    I believe unless the person knows they need rebuke they will not listen to another but when God convicts me it hurts and I am ashamed and desire to change.

    God will make a way
    When there seems to be no way
    He works in ways we cannot see
    He will make a way for me

    He will be my guide
    Hold me closely to His side
    With love and strength for each new day
    He will make a day, He will make a day

    Oh, God will make a way
    Where there seems to be now way
    He works in ways we cannot see
    He will make a way for me

    He will be my guide
    Hold me closely to His side
    With love and strength for each new day
    He will make a way, He will make a way

    By a roadway in the wilderness, He’ll lead me
    And rivers in the desert will I see
    Heaven and Earth will fade but His Word will still remain
    And He will do something new today

    He will be my guide
    Hold me closely to His side
    With love and strength for each new day
    He will make a way, He will make a way

    With love and strength for each new day
    He will make a way, He will make a way

  126. jeff1 says:

    Paul, was chosen by God because he had been changed and his words and actions showed it making him a born leader.

    Those who were weak understood Paul was closer to God and trusted his judgements better than their own.

    Its only when I recognise and accept I have weaknesses that I trust leaders like Paul for leadership.

    Often I have heard it said that a person who smoked all their life when stops will be the greatest advocate against it.

    Paul was such a person he was miraculously changed from an enemy of God to a person God trusted with leadership and yet he had weaknesses but like any powerful leader he shared them with God and not those who looked to him for guidance because he knew to whom to go to strengthen his weaknesses and lighten his load.

    Leadership requires greater discipline and Paul had it in abundance and God was able to use him to accomplish many things.

    Obedience accomplishes more for God then knowledge and why I should be focused on ‘Jesus’ and His appointed leaders to advance God’s Kingdom on earth.

    How disappointed I may be when I see how little I have accomplished for God’s Kingdom but God encourages and does not put down which says a lot more about God then it does about human nature because many seem to build themselves up in the process of putting others down.

    What do we see all through the bible that God accomplishes more through those who obey than those who have knowledge or are powerful.

    God uses the ordinary to dumfound those who think they are more knowledgeable and powerful.

    God doesn’t change but men sure do a powerful job of changing God.

  127. SFDBWV says:

    When a poet writes, it is with careful deliberation of thought that goes into every word. From such effort comes more than mere words.

    Whether a sonnet or a song, to attempt to put into words the emotion that love evokes is as difficult as it is diverse.

    How love is expressed defines love.

    I admit it is easy to find fault in others, easy because they wear it like a coat of many colors. Proud and arrogant, brash and unashamed.

    How then does the “Christian community” coexist with the cancer of “pettiness” or strife?

    The roots of the inception of the American Civil Liberties Union are that they are to use the freedoms of the American judicial system against itself in the goal of defeating America altogether.

    The enemy of Christianity is no less subtle.

    He will attempt to make the guiltless feel guilty for recognizing strife or sin within the Christian community, thus allowing for it to continue to grow and do its destructive work.

    The time for the lion to lay down with the lamb has not yet arrived, until then the lamb needs protected.

    The good shepherd will defend his flock from any harm.

    We show no love to the enemy of unity by allowing them to be free to practice disunity.

    52 degrees in the mountains this morning.


  128. poohpity says:

    The very neat thing to me about Paul was that he recognized even more after believing in Jesus was his own inability to always do the right thing and so therefore did not compare himself with others and their behaviors. So the only answer or solution to his inability to be perfect was what Jesus did on the Cross and His grace. But in that recognition Paul kept his eye on his own failures, faults, sins not those things in others. That is what humility is about after all.

    Paul said in Romans 7:14-20 NLT; So the trouble is not with the law, for it is spiritual and good. The trouble is with me, for I am all too human, a slave to sin. 15 I don’t really understand myself, for I want to do what is right, but I don’t do it. Instead, I do what I hate. 16 But if I know that what I am doing is wrong, this shows that I agree that the law is good. 17 So I am not the one doing wrong; it is sin living in me that does it.

    18 And I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature. I want to do what is right, but I can’t. 19 I want to do what is good, but I don’t. I don’t want to do what is wrong, but I do it anyway. 20 But if I do what I don’t want to do, I am not really the one doing wrong; it is sin living in me that does it.

    So for all those who keep an eye on others and pick them apart then often they are not aware of the many things in themselves that is not pleasing to the Lord and then often lack a spirit of confession and when we are not self aware then we do not realize how much we have been forgiven for and therefore do not learn to love much but only a shallow kind of love. Luke 7:47 NLT

  129. poohpity says:

    Paul acknowledged all the things that he was forgiven for as did John and as do all those who love the Lord greatly, they are keenly aware of the grace that has been shown to them personally.

    Paul wrote 1 Tim 1:14-17 NLT; Oh, how generous and gracious our Lord was! He filled me with the faith and love that come from Christ Jesus.

    15 This is a trustworthy saying, and everyone should accept it: “Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners”—and I am the worst of them all. 16 But God had mercy on me so that Christ Jesus could use me as a prime example of his great patience with even the worst sinners. Then others will realize that they, too, can believe in him and receive eternal life. 17 All honor and glory to God forever and ever! He is the eternal King, the unseen one who never dies; he alone is God. Amen.

  130. poohpity says:

    Only God alone is perfect! Only He is able to throw stones at others but rather He came to seek and save the lost, not to condemn, judge or load them with guilt but to free them because the price has been paid not to return to sin and evil but as a means to walk away from it, sadly many wallow in it by thinking they are all that and can look down on others, the primary sin of pride. I wonder if they even know the Lord at all?

  131. street says:

    He who overcomes, I will grant to him to sit down with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.

    thinking of the love song played out in Romans 7 & 8.

    to overcome chapter 7 chapter 8 is needed….therefore
    their is no condemnation……

    where sin increased, after the law was given, so too Grace increased all the more……what a Savior! now that is love and how it is done. the Gospel

    i remind you chapter 7 is never done away with….thoughts are from knowing God j.i.packer the chapter on, the adequacy of God.

    the devil is deceptive…..hear oh Israel……

  132. Beloved says:

    Thinking about disunity and the wisdom of God,

    I John1:5-7 This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light; in him there is no darkness at all. 6 If we claim to have fellowship with him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live out the truth. 7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all[b] sin.

    Search my heart oh God and see Psalm 139:23-24 AMP

  133. Beloved says:

    The devil is completely deceptive, no gray areas, though may sound good to our ticklish ears!

  134. Beloved says:

    I’m thinking that Psalm 139:23-24 could be a love song to God! The song of the redeemed living under the ultimate Authority!

  135. Beloved says:

    Without condemnation!! Romans 8 says we can come to God and trust Him to pour out grace and mercy not judgement. Oh my sin sick heart take refuge in the Rock of my salvation and find peace…

  136. jeff1 says:

    Trusting God because of His promise of Salvation to change my heart because as it is it is inconsistent and unreliable and God is neither of these things.

    Take these chains from my heart and set me free
    You’ve grown cold and no longer care for me
    All my faith in you has gone but the heartaches linger
    Take these chains from my heart and set me free

    Take these tears from my eyes and let me see
    Just a spark of the love that used to be
    If you love somebody new, let me find a new love, too
    Take these chains from my heart and set me free

    Give my heart just a word of sympathy
    Be as fair to my heart as you can be
    Then if you no longer care for the love that’s beating there
    Take these chains from my heart and set me free

    Take these chains from my heart and set me free

  137. Beloved says:

    10,000 Reasons
    Matt Redman

    Bless the Lord oh my soul
    Oh my soul
    Worship His Holy name
    Sing like never before
    Oh my soul
    I’ll worship Your Holy name
    The sun comes up
    It’s a new day dawning
    It’s time to sing Your song again
    Whatever may pass
    And whatever lies before me
    Let me be singing
    When the evening comes
    Bless the Lord oh my soul
    Oh my soul
    Worship His Holy name
    Sing like never before
    Oh my soul
    I’ll worship Your Holy name
    You’re rich in love
    And You’re slow to anger
    Your name is great
    And Your heart is kind
    For all Your goodness
    I will keep on singing
    Ten thousand reasons
    For my heart to find
    Bless the Lord oh my soul
    Oh my soul
    Worship His Holy name
    Sing like never before
    Oh my soul
    I’ll worship Your Holy name
    Bless You Lord
    And on that day
    When my strength is failing
    The end draws near
    And my time has come
    Still my soul will
    Sing Your praise unending
    Ten thousand years
    And then forevermore
    Bless the Lord oh my soul
    Oh my soul
    Worship His Holy name
    Sing like never before
    Oh my soul
    I’ll worship Your Holy name
    Bless the Lord oh my soul
    Oh my soul
    Worship His Holy name
    Sing like never before
    Oh my soul
    I’ll worship Your Holy name
    Yes I’ll worship Your Holy name
    I’ll worship Your Holy name
    Sing like never before
    Oh my soul
    I’ll worship Your Holy name
    Jesus I will worship Your Holy name
    Worship Your Holy name

  138. street says:

    Thinking about disunity and the wisdom of God,

    i wonder if disunity is caused by judgment and unforgiveness? thinking of all the times Jesus could have called israel on breaking the law at His trials and when there was confrontation. He really did come to save every one but, judas, to fulfill scripture. the love song not heard. thinking it was heard for the first time at Pentecost.

    In the mysterious glory of Jesus’s suffering and sacrifice, don’t we hear something that brings fullness of meaning to our love songs

    True Life Sacrificed for the dead….the dead become a living sacrifice for the Resurrected LORD.

  139. SFDBWV says:

    A lot gun shy about writing anything this early this morning, expecting a new subject…It’s ok Mart I don’t envy you the task of coming up with topics for the few of us left to digest, dissect and in some part discuss.

    Thinking of the idea of the Bible being a love letter to humanity (I have heard and read that analogy used often) I suppose a love letter put to music could be said to be a love song.

    So many of us can easily remember the chorus of a song or perhaps the opening stanza’s, but soon are then lost in a sea of forgetfulness as to the rest of the song.

    There are so many songs I have heard and so many I like it is impossible to say which one is a favorite as they all seem to be so when I haven’t heard them for a while and then stumble upon one.

    Just like the excitement of the solar eclipse jarred loose “Total Eclipse of the Heart” in me the recent disturbing news of the destruction and removal of Confederate Civil War statues reminded me of Joan Baez’s “The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down”.

    It almost seems there is an appropriate song for most any occasion.

    I know it a long stretch, but this morning I was reminded of Genesis 7:1 KJV and how this and other passages encouraged me to strive to be pleasing to God as the head of my household. How important it was as to my finding grace from the Lord could save not only me but my entire “house”.

    In any organization, attitude always begins at the top and influences all those down the ladder.

    So all those under the authority that God gives to me are directly influenced by my leadership.

    My leadership must reflect God’s as He is the absolute head of my “family”.

    Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord, it was not written that any other in his house had, but they also were saved from the flood. Because of Abraham Lot and his daughters were saved and so all throughout the story of the Bible one person’s favor with God could be extended to others.

    It begins with each one of us…Always strive to be a blessing to others.

    47 degrees this morning…Fall is coming. Added prayers for those in Texas who are dealing with hurricane Harvey.


  140. jeff1 says:

    Yes, Steve, there is a pattern in the bible to God extending favour to others through those whom He has found favour with.

    It should be my desire that God finds me favourable in his sight and that means me changing to his likeness but there seems to be division in where that leads.

    For many changing to God’s likeness is about becoming a lion (wanting the wrath of God) as opposed to those who want to become like sheep (wanting the meekness of God).

    To this day its what divides us and I can understand why because this world needs both and perhaps why God is still best at choosing His warriors from His peace makers because He still knows the heart of men better than anyone.

    God divides to conquer so it is for the advancement of the Kingdom He does it. That I do not always understand this is my lack of vision and not God’s intention.

    Thine is the glory, risen, conquering Son;
    endless is the victory thou o’er death hast won!
    Angles in bright raiment rolled the stone away,
    kept the folded grave clothes where the body lay.

    Thine is the glory, risen, conquering Son;
    endless is the victory thou o’er death hast won!

    Lo! Jesus meets thee, risen from the tomb!
    Lovingly he greets thee, scatters fear and gloom;
    let his church with gladness, hymns of triumph sing,
    for the Lord now liveth; death hast lost its sting!

    Thine is the glory, risen, conquering Son;
    endless is the victory thou o’er death hast won!

    No more we doubt thee, glorious Prince of life;
    life is naught without thee; aid us in our strife;
    make us more than conquerors , through thy deathless love;
    Bring us safe through Jordan to thy home above.

    Thine is the glory, risen, conquering Son;
    endless is the victory thou o’er death hast won!

  141. Beloved says:

    About Street and Steve’s posts yes it does make sense then that if a leader is unforgiving and judgemental then their followers would be also. Best to be a blessing I think by following Jesus and if the leader is not then time to find a more Godly leader. Yes?

  142. Beloved says:

    There are two kinds of blessings, physical and spiritual. Physical ones are great but temporary whereas spiritual ones affect for eternity. The Psalms often lamented over physical (which includes emotional) difficulties but always ended with a spiritual reponse. God is spirit as we all know.

    Sing to the Lord a new song, the song of the redeemed!

  143. Beloved says:

    Steve it must be a truly great consolation that those under your roof are saved! Thank you Jesus!

  144. Beloved says:

    And they shall not teach every man his neighbor and every man his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for all shall know Me, from the least to the greatest. Heb 8:11

  145. poohpity says:

    The first person who made harp and flute was Jubal which it would seem started the musical things the Lord would so enjoy hearing from His people as they celebrated all the Lord would do in their lives and it still continues.

    After the Exodus around a million people together recounted in song the great works that God had done for them. Moses and Miriam also lead the people with tambourines and dancing but they all song unto the Lord in praises. (Exodus 15) Read that and imagine all those voices singing that song together what a sound that must have been not only to the Lord but to anyone within ears range.

    There are people who are so grounded in the world that secular songs are what they remember and that focus folks on a partial love but leave out the fulfillment and source of love. Earthly bound without any heavenly thought or desires to be thankful to the One who taught us what real love is.

    In 2000 Debbie Friedman wrote a song about Miriam’s song and Miriam:

    And the women dancing with their timbrels
    Followed Miriam as she sang her song
    Sing a song to the One whom we’ve exalted
    Miriam and the women danced and danced the whole night long
    And Miriam was a weaver of unique variety
    The tapestry she wove was one which sang our history
    With every strand and every thread she crafted her delight
    A woman touched with spirit, she dances toward the light

    When Miriam stood upon the shores and gazed across the sea
    The wonder of this miracle she soon came to believe
    Whoever thought the sea would part with an outstretched hand
    And we would pass to freedom and march to the promised land

    And Miriam the prophet took her timbrel in her hand
    And all the women followed her just as she had planned
    And Miriam raised her voice in song
    She sang with praise and might
    We’ve just lived through a miracle
    We’re going to dance tonight

  146. poohpity says:

    If you have no mind to look up the song that Israel song to the Lord here are the words from the NLT; Now this is a love song among songs

    Then Moses and the people of Israel sang this song to the Lord:

    “I will sing to the Lord,
    for he has triumphed gloriously;
    he has hurled both horse and rider
    into the sea.
    The Lord is my strength and my song;
    he has given me victory.
    This is my God, and I will praise him—
    my father’s God, and I will exalt him!
    The Lord is a warrior;
    Yahweh is his name!
    Pharaoh’s chariots and army
    he has hurled into the sea.
    The finest of Pharaoh’s officers
    are drowned in the Red Sea.
    The deep waters gushed over them;
    they sank to the bottom like a stone.

    “Your right hand, O Lord,
    is glorious in power.
    Your right hand, O Lord,
    smashes the enemy.
    In the greatness of your majesty,
    you overthrow those who rise against you.
    You unleash your blazing fury;
    it consumes them like straw.
    At the blast of your breath,
    the waters piled up!
    The surging waters stood straight like a wall;
    in the heart of the sea the deep waters became hard.

    “The enemy boasted, ‘I will chase them
    and catch up with them.
    I will plunder them
    and consume them.
    I will flash my sword;
    my powerful hand will destroy them.’
    But you blew with your breath,
    and the sea covered them.
    They sank like lead
    in the mighty waters.

    “Who is like you among the gods, O Lord—
    glorious in holiness,
    awesome in splendor,
    performing great wonders?
    You raised your right hand,
    and the earth swallowed our enemies.

    “With your unfailing love you lead
    the people you have redeemed.
    In your might, you guide them
    to your sacred home.
    The peoples hear and tremble;
    anguish grips those who live in Philistia.
    The leaders of Edom are terrified;
    the nobles of Moab tremble.
    All who live in Canaan melt away;
    terror and dread fall upon them.
    The power of your arm
    makes them lifeless as stone
    until your people pass by, O Lord,
    until the people you purchased pass by.
    You will bring them in and plant them on your own mountain—
    the place, O Lord, reserved for your own dwelling,
    the sanctuary, O Lord, that your hands have established.
    The Lord will reign forever and ever!”

  147. Beloved says:

    What a beautiful picture in my mind of Miriam dancing and singing to the Lord with timbrel held high! But I also remember Lots wife, frozen forever because of disobedience. Quite the contrast. There’s always a choice. Choose you this day who you will serve, as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord! Bible

  148. Beloved says:

    Joshua 24:14-25 “Now therefore fear the Lord and serve him in sincerity and in faithfulness. Put away the gods that your fathers served beyond the River and in Egypt, and serve the Lord. 15 And if it is evil in your eyes to serve the Lord, choose this day whom you will serve, whether the gods your fathers served in the region beyond the River, or the gods of the Amorites in whose land you dwell. But as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.”

  149. poohpity says:

    Miriam got leprosy for criticizing, rebellion and jealousy of Moses having to remain outside the camp for days, she was healed in 7 days because Moses appealed to God on her behalf. The very one who she criticized went to God on her behalf. Numbers 12

  150. marma says:

    Wanted to mention there are those of us who read but do not post often, and probably those who only read both Mart’s post and the comments.

    Steve– your earlier comment about the songs God gives us in nature was inspiring and I read it more than once and to my sister.

    We bless each other with encouraging words–I hope it is reason enough in this world of negatives to keep on posting and reading in order to continue building one another up in the faith.

    Bless you all — praying for Texas this a.m.

  151. Beloved says:

    Marma thanks for the blessing. Encouraged by your admonition to build one another up in the faith. Faith is real!

  152. Beloved says:

    Marma being real in our faith lives is messy, to say the least and growth in the faith requires honesty and often pain, the pain of knowing how sinful we really are. Now to some it sounds negative and foolish, yet the church for centuries has produced leaders who know the depths of the depravity they have been saved from and seek to please only God, and not the world. Messy and uncomfortable faith is yet Jesus gives us peace that none other can.
    Blessings to you also, in the Name of Jesus

  153. Beloved says:

    We are to work out our faith with fear and trembling Phil 2:12, meaning we learn greater dependency on God.

    The love songs would have no eternal meaning without God.

    A godly leader is a gift handcrafted by God.

  154. jeff1 says:

    Thanking God for the godly leaders in my life who have been many and who corrected, encouraged and inspired by their example.

    Seek and you will find, perseverance in my faith is leading me into a deeper love and understanding of God because I desire to know Him as those who encouraged me knew Him. They trusted God regardless of what difficulties this world brought them and I am learning to do the same and I truly believe that in time I will trust God completely with all my burdens because it is my desire to do so and I believe that God will grant me the desires of my heart.

    I have learned not just from the difficulties in my own life but from those around me that it is only God who can be trusted when it comes to judgements in this world and the next and that makes my faith more precious than I could ever have imagined.

    I have had non believers say to me how comforting it must be for me to believe in God and it has made me realize that I can overlook how faith itself is a gift from God because I cannot imagine how they bear their burdens not trusting God.

    That God will reveal more of Himself to this world in His time and save those who are perishing for lack of His love is my desire in a world where He still seems to be badly misunderstood.

  155. SFDBWV says:

    A week after burying my mother in April of 1982 my father was diagnosed with advanced cancer. He was riddled with it, a result of having colon cancer undetected that had spread everywhere.

    That same week doctors removed his colon hoping with treatment he might live another 6 months or even a year.

    My dad and I were very close as my mother and I were.

    The morning after learning of his diagnosis I went to the hospital to see him. He said right away to me that he wasn’t afraid of dying, but didn’t want any sad faces as that was something he couldn’t take.

    That he didn’t want any treatments as he did not want to be sick the remainder of his life.

    So for the month that he lasted, I went every morning to the hospital and stayed until time for me to go to work.

    We talked about things he and I wanted to do after he got out of the hospital, we laughed about the things that had and were occurring at work (mine). He wanted me to get his things in order and gave me instructions as to how he wanted things done after he was gone. Sometimes he just slept opening one eye every now and then to make sure I was there.

    I didn’t truly realize it then, but the final times I spent with my mother and my father were very special gifts that God not only presented to me, but prepared me for.

    For anyone who has ever loved you know that with it comes pain.

    I think that old saying goes like this “that which doesn’t kill you makes you stronger.”

    Every so often I think how much easier life would be without opening up your heart to being hurt. Life without love.

    But then I know such a selfish life is the most miserable of all.

    If life is a love song, then a loveless life is a guttural bitter scowl unheard by anyone except God who made a way for even those who would not love to be loved.

    The love song remains because love is stronger than death.


  156. jeff1 says:

    I find the struggles in my mind are of memories I would rather forget in love of the ones I would rather remember. We are all different and it is my weakness to fight the demons in my head more than matters of the heart.

    Songs of all kinds are my way of coping with thoughts that invade my mind and rob me of a peace that I do so long for.

    To hear that two young people in my neighbourhood both died from drug overdoses alone disturbs my peace of mind as I realize that in my own life I have had such support from family and friends during my struggles.

    While I believe and trust God there is much in this world that bothers me because I do not see a world that I know where love triumphs but rather the opposite that those who hate and deprive others are thriving.

    That is not a world I want to live in and yet I have family and friends to comfort me so God does provide even in the desert.

    I don’t see life as a love song because in my personal life I have seen too much of conflict.

    There is nothing that kills love like conflict and only God’s love can make right that which man destroys.

    The source of love that lasts is God given and in this life I have had glimpses and perhaps that is enough for this earthly life to know that the best is yet to come.

    How this song lifted my soul this morning and how I cannot imagine a world without music.

    Some days you may lead me through green pastures
    My heart drinks in deep the waters sweet
    And some days you may lead me through the desert
    Even then you’re still the reason
    I can say
    I am blessed beyond measure
    So far beyond what’s gained through earthly treasure

    Whatever comes my way still my soul will say
    I am blessed
    I am blessed
    Through the troubled pain and disappointments

    When it seems that I have nothing left
    You will never leave me or forsake me
    I will testify until my dying breath
    I am blessed beyond measure
    So far beyond what’s gained through earthly treasure

    Whatever comes my way
    Still my soul will say
    I am blessed
    I am blessed
    You alone are my reward

    With you I want for nothing more
    And because your goodness follows me all my days
    I am blessed beyond measure
    So far beyond what’s gained through earthly treasures
    O what ever comes my way

    Still my soul will say
    I am blessed
    I am blessed
    I am blessed
    I am blessed
    O blessed
    I am blessed Thank you Jesus

  157. Beloved says:

    There is nothing that kills love like conflict and only God’s love can make right that which man destroys

    Jeff1 your comment brought to mind the very first recorded conflict, that being between God and his Angel Lucifer (also His chief musician I believe). Love survived though! Conflict is inevitable but love always wins!

  158. Beloved says:

    Beautiful song by the way,thank you.

  159. poohpity says:

    Oh how easy it is to love those who love us back. Those who agree with everything we say or think or that have the same skin color or the same philosophies and beliefs or the same culture or are within the same socioeconomic status but whoa to the person who disagrees, or is different in anyway from our own beliefs or values, to those the door of love is slammed in their face and the pain of rejection and alienation soon ensue. “Treat others as you want to be treated” does not find an open heart or mind. Love does not demand it’s own way nor is it rude to others especially those who are different or think differently. God’s love is tested in our hearts everyday to show whether it is Him who we follow or ourselves.

  160. poohpity says:

    Phil 2:5-8 NLT now that is a true love song.

  161. poohpity says:

    While Jesus walked this earth by example showed us that His loved reached across many divides by making those who were often rejected, accepted by Him.

  162. jeff1 says:

    Love wins when it’s source is from God but many mistake man’s love for God’s love when it is not.

    My desire to be loved can leave me vulnerable because I so desire it that I do not recognise the source from which it comes and it takes God’s love to sustain or the person seeking it suffers.

    A person cannot give me what they do not have and not everyone is the source of God’s love and it takes discernment to know this.

    God’s love is from a higher domain than man’s and so while I have facets of it that does not make me a source of it.

    To know God’s love I must be walking close to God and if my tendency is to wander then my source will be lacking.

    A person’s source of love is determined by how close they walk to God.

    Just a closer walk with Thee, grant it Jesus, is my plea.
    Daily walking close to Thee, let it be, dear Lord, let it be.

  163. Beloved says:

    Gods love is truly sacrificial. We love God because He first loved us even sacrificing His own son to atone for our sins.

  164. poohpity says:

    Peter taught that there is a process that grows from faith to love. That love comes from the knowledge of God and Jesus Christ our Lord.

    “I am writing to you who share the same precious faith we have. This faith was given to you because of the justice and fairness of Jesus Christ, our God and Savior.

    2 May God give you more and more grace and peace as you grow in your knowledge of God and Jesus our Lord.

    By his divine power, God has given us everything we need for living a godly life. We have received all of this by coming to know him, the one who called us to himself by means of his marvelous glory and excellence. 4 And because of his glory and excellence, he has given us great and precious promises. These are the promises that enable you to share his divine nature and escape the world’s corruption caused by human desires.

    5 In view of all this, make every effort to respond to God’s promises. Supplement your faith with a generous provision of moral excellence, and moral excellence with knowledge, 6 and knowledge with self-control, and self-control with patient endurance, and patient endurance with godliness, 7 and godliness with brotherly affection, and brotherly affection with love for everyone.

    8 The more you grow like this, the more productive and useful you will be in your knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 But those who fail to develop in this way are shortsighted or blind, forgetting that they have been cleansed from their old sins.

    10 So, dear brothers and sisters, work hard to prove that you really are among those God has called and chosen. Do these things, and you will never fall away. 11 Then God will give you a grand entrance into the eternal Kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.”

  165. jeff1 says:

    Love comes from getting closer to God and not gaining more and more knowledge of Him. Trusting God through trials and testing is what brings me closer to God.

    God does not give me more and more grace because grace is free to all.

    God gives me His divine nature as He strengthens me during times of trials and testing to save me from the world’s corruption which I am subject to in a fallen world.

    It is all the work of God and not of any hard work on my part, my part is to agree with God and submit to His judgement allowing Him to have His way in bringing me back to Himself.

    I do not fall away from God by failing to work hard but by failing to agree with God and submitting to His judgements.

    It is ‘I’ who come between God and me and it is God who doesn’t give up on His lost child.

  166. Belovedelder says:

    I thought some here may be interested in a good movie on youtube called Charles Spurgeon Movie. It’s all about this famous British preachers life and calling.

  167. poohpity says:

    If the bible says getting to know God better and better is part of the process in learning how to love and have it grow then I believe what it says. Just think about that the longer people are together they grow in their knowledge of each other the deeper their love grows, blossoms and blooms. I happen to know that it is true just from experience as well. I believe what the bible teaches and have never found any of it to be a lie or I would have no use in reading it.

  168. marma says:

    Beloved: So agree about the messiness! Thanks for your comments. I appreciated your perspective.

  169. foreverblessed says:

    Love song, God always loves us!
    That is very reassuring.

    Last night my husband was listening to music of the BeeGees. There was a song, I didn’t know it, but I heard the words:
    ” I died and the world started living ”

    I found that some lyrics, and immediately I was thinking about Jesus, that line was on His mind when He died on the cross.

  170. foreverblessed says:

    ” I finally died and that started the whole world living “

  171. foreverblessed says:

    Pooh, it feels very weird for you not reacting to my plea….
    I really long for unity on this blog, how other can we expect God’s blessing?

  172. jeff1 says:

    Forever, we already have God’s blessing, He doesn’t keep it from us which says more about God than it does us.

    Disunity divides the ‘Body of Christ’ on earth and why we should at any cost to ourselves unite with other believers irrespective of what divides us.

    Our concern should be to build the ‘Body of Christ’ on earth and if we focused on ‘Christ’ as instructed by God we would see why.

    Somethings do not change and that people want to be right more than they will submit to God is God’s greatest enemy.

    I believe God can accomplish more through non believers than He can from us but He will not down hearten us to say it because it is not His way, putting other’s down is a man driven trait and not God given.

    You have heard it said that we hurt those we love the most but often they would not say a word against us and so it is with God.

    God’s faithfulness to us is unmeasurable but ours to Him leaves a lot to be desired.

  173. jeff1 says:

    Pooh talks of a grand entrance into the Kingdom but for myself I am thinking more of my submission to God’s authority and the words from ‘Meatloaf’s song comes to mind i.e. ‘Like A Bat Out Of Hell’.

    God does have a sense of humour after all!

    Some bright morning when this life is over
    I’ll fly away
    To that home on God’s celestial shore
    I’ll fly away

    I’ll fly away, oh glory,
    I’ll fly away in the morning
    When I die, Hallelujah by and by
    I’ll fly away

    When the shadows of this life have gone
    I’ll fly away
    Like a bird from these prison wall’s I’ll fly
    I’ll fly away

    I’ll fly away, oh glory
    I’ll fly away in the morning
    When I die, Hallelujah by and by
    I’ll fly away

    Oh, how glad and happy when we meet
    I’ll fly away
    No more cold iron shackles on my feet
    I’ll fly away

    I’ll fly away, oh glory
    I’ll fly away in the morning
    When I die, Hallelujah by and by
    I’ll fly away

    I’ll fly away, oh glory
    I’ll fly away in the morning
    When I die, Hallelujah by and by
    I’ll fly away

    Just a few more weary day and then
    I’ll fly away
    To a land where joys will never end
    I’ll fly away

    I’ll fly away, oh glory
    I’ll fly away in the morning
    When I die, Hallelujah by and by
    I’ll fly away

    I’ll fly away

  174. jeff1 says:

    Thinking of my post 5.39 am

    I am talking of my own experience of my faithfulness and of others whom I know personally and not talking of anyone here whom I don’t know personally.

  175. Beloved says:

    We must be wary of basing a relationship with God on our experiences alone. The scriptures contain everything we need to know about salvation and godliness. Faith comes by hearing the Word of God. Everything else- our thoughts, our words, our experiences both physical and spiritual must be tested against biblical authority to be true. If the Bible is not our authority then we may be being deceived. Praying God will reveal all deception and free the captives.

  176. poohpity says:

    Viv it was not me who talked about a grand entrance into the Kingdom which any believer will do when they realize all that Christ has done to make that so but it was Peter who talked about that. That is the very point of getting to know Him better to understand that it is about what He did, not about anything we have done that we are able to enter heaven with our arms raised in joy that we are welcomed into His presence as His child. Oh to only imagine what a glorious thing that will be, a time of rejoicing. We can also live in that type of rejoicing now singing Hallelujah until we get there.

    forever, you said, “I am asking forgiveness Pooh, for trying to talk of over, instead of just accepting your sorry. I was really happy with you saying sorry!
    Would you please forgive me?” I did not understand what you wrote as trying to talk it over but scolding and accusing me about being a bad reader when I was never asked not to say your name. I forgive you for the false accusations although that is not what was admitted to or asked forgiveness for and that was why I did not reply.

    If anyone desires unity on this blog stop talking about people as if the one speaking or writing is without fault or as if one really knows them at all and talk about the topics. That is all it takes.

  177. SFDBWV says:

    In the movie “Back to the Future” Huey Lewis and the News’ song “The Power of Love” was the opening to the story.

    So many love songs are of regret and lost loves, of the deep pain of a broken heart.

    Where “Only Love Can Break a Heart” “Only Love Can Mend it Again”.

    Never underestimate the power of love and never underestimate the power of God’s love.

    In the trilogy of “Back to the Future” movies, Marty and Doc had to go back in time in order to straighten things out and make their future better.

    In the story of our Bible we have to have faith that in that unseen future God already worked out the final solution for all of us.


  178. jeff1 says:

    Pooh, to get to know God personally I must have a relationship with Him. The bible is God’s word to us and we gain knowledge from it but a relationship comes through trials and testing and not through knowledge.

    I do not have to know my bible to know that God works through the indwelling Holy Spirit.

    It is me submitting to the Holy Spirit that makes me right with God and not my knowledge of God.

    The only knowledge I need to know is that God will not forsake me because I am His child and He will carry me home if that is what it takes to get me there.

    It is my lack of submission because I doubt God that causes me to falter and it is God who is faithful in forgiving me my trespass in light of His promise to forgive me.

    No one is short of knowledge today and that is as much the problem as the solution because the more knowledge people get the more they believe they’re right and God’s greatest enemy today is those who believe they are right as opposed to those who are lead by the indwelling Holy Spirit.

    Guide me O Thou great Redeemer,
    Pilgrim through this barren land;
    I am weak, but Thou art mighty,
    Hold me with Thy powerful hand;
    Bread of heaven, bread of heaven
    Feed me till I want no more;
    Feed me till I want no more.

    Open now the crystal fountain
    Whence the healing stream doth flow;
    Let the fire and cloudy pillar
    Lead me all my journey through:
    Strong deliverer, strong deliverer;
    Be Thou still my strength and shield;
    Be Thou still my strength and shield.

    When I tread the verge of Jordan,
    Bid my anxious fears subside;
    Death of death, and hells destruction
    Land me safe on Canaan’s side:
    Songs of praises, songs of praises,
    I will ever give to Thee
    I will ever give to Thee

  179. foreverblessed says:

    Pooh, you seem not to have noticed that I already have said sorry for calling you a bad reader!!
    I prefer peace, and peace with you, Pooh!
    So I ask God to bless you very very much, with His Spirit of Peace, and of Joy, and I ask Him to bless me too with that, because I am in need of them.
    And I do not want to have any resentment towards anybody. I want total forgiveness towards everybody.
    So help me God. This is my wish, and I trust God with Him everything is possible!

    Thanks Jeff, for that beautiful song.

  180. poohpity says:

    How does one get to know God? Where do you think the songs about God come from just pulled out of the sky?

    When the bible says gaining knowledge it just means getting to know God better and those who wrote the bible did the very things they write to us about and so they know what it takes to get to know God. They walked with Him and talked with Him and have left us their witness or testimony.

    No one has to read the bible, it is only a gift to those who want to know more about God through the witness of those who have gone before us, sharing their experiences. All I can say is do not read the bible there is nothing in there for those who do not want to know God better or want to grow in their relationship with Him. DO NOT READ THE BIBLE THERE IS NOTHING THERE FOR YOU but do not deter others from reading it. I would rather point people to read that than to hear anything I ever have to say. I so appreciate and listen attentively to those who know and teach what the bible says, I never put them down or detract from what they teach. Their knowledge of the scripture I know is from God opening their eyes, minds and ears to learn from Him and I think that is so very awesome.

  181. jeff1 says:

    Pooh, your experience of those who read their bible to know God has been a positive one and I am glad for you but I have had the experience of people reading it to prove they are right rather than that God is right so my experience has been a negative one.

    My father believed in focusing on ‘Christ’ and he walked closely to God and his example has been a positive one for me.

    I think God cares more that we want to draw near to Him then the how we do it.

    Not sure why you put in capitals DO NOT READ THE BIBLE THERE IS NOTHING THERE FOR YOU but do not deter others from reading it.

    It never was my intension to deter anyone from reading it and I am sorry if you got that impression.

    JESUS BEING THERE FOR ME IN HEAVEN is why I want to draw near to God and giving Him my burdens and trusting Him with them has already been a giant step for me.

    Wandering has been my life long companion but God does not give up on His children and that He will not forsake me/us when I have so often forsaken Him is what I find so awesome and overwhelming.

    Nearer, my God, to Thee, Nearer to Thee!
    E’en though it be a cross that raiseth me,
    Still all my song shall be,
    Nearer, my God, to Thee,
    Nearer, my God, to Thee,
    Nearer to Thee!

    Though like the wanderer,the sun gone down,
    Darkness be over me, my rest a stone.
    Yet in my dreams I’d be
    Nearer, my God, to Thee,
    Nearer to Thee!

    There let the way appear, steps unto heaven;
    All that Thou sendest me, in mercy given;
    Angels to beckon me
    Nearer, my God, to Thee.
    Nearer, my God, to Thee,
    Nearer to Thee!

    Then, with my waking thoughts bright with Thy praise,
    Out of my stony griefs Bethel I’ll raise;
    So by my woes to be
    Nearer. my God, to Thee,
    Nearer, my God, to Thee.
    Nearer to Thee!

    Or, if on joyful wing cleaving the sky,
    Sun, moon and stars forgot, upward I’ll fly,
    Still all my song shall be,
    Nearer, my God, to Thee.
    Nearer, my God, to Thee,
    Nearer to Thee!

    There in my father’s home, safe and at rest,
    There in my Saviour’s love, perfectly blest;
    Age after age to be,
    Nearer my God to Thee.
    Nearer, my God, to Thee,
    Nearer to Thee!

  182. saled says:

    forever, that Bee Gee’s song, I Started a Joke, has always haunted me. So melancholy, the writer seemed to be at odds with the world, like every effort he made to fit in went badly. I like your interpretation of the lines “I finally died and started the whole world living.” I had never thought of it in regards to Jesus’ sacrifice. Makes me think of John 10:10, “I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.”

  183. foreverblessed says:

    Yes Sales, I didn’t know the song, I could not hear what he was singing, but for the:
    I died, and the whole world started living.

    I think I just stick to that, because the she song is pretty depressing.
    It is good to know that faith in Jesus’ death can restore just anything, including depression.
    Thanks for the scripture, I memorise it today!

  184. foreverblessed says:

    Sorry for the she song, I had meant to type:
    the whole song,
    and didn’t see what auto correct had done. Bad proofreading on my part, sorry

  185. street says:

    been thinking outside the box again. does God love the illiterate as well as the literate? the jew and gentile?
    is God hindered by darkness? or is the darkness removed by light? the parch soil drinks up the rain that falls on it and never says enough. let the sows seed find good ground. thinking what made the ground holy before the feet of moses that was cursed earlier by God? is it possible to love the law and deny God all together? the love song continues forever.

  186. Beloved says:

    How Deep The Father’s Love For Us
    Stuart Townsend
    How deep the Father’s love for us
    How vast beyond all measure
    That He should give His only Son
    To make a wretch His treasure
    How great the pain of searing loss
    The Father turns His face away
    As wounds which mar the Chosen One
    Bring many sons to glory
    Behold the man upon a cross
    My sin upon His shoulders
    Ashamed, I hear my mocking voice
    Call out among the scoffers
    It was my sin that held Him there
    Until it was accomplished
    His dying breath has brought me life
    I know that it is finished
    I will not boast in anything
    No gifts, no power, no wisdom
    But I will boast in Jesus Christ
    His death and resurrection
    Why should I gain from His reward?
    I cannot give an answer
    But this I know with all my heart
    His wounds have paid my ransom
    Why should I gain from His reward?
    I cannot give an answer
    But this I know with all my heart
    His wounds have paid my ransom

  187. jeff1 says:

    Why should I gain from His reward?

    I really cannot give an answer other than God has chosen it to be so because I have done nothing but hurt God in my waywardness yet He does not hold it against me but remembers it no more.

    I wish I could say I will never hurt Him again but life has taught me to never say never.

    What I do know is that if I let another person down the often I have let God down its unlikely they’d forgive me never mind reward me.

    Faith is a blessing because when I see people today turning to drugs and alcohol because of lack of it my heart goes out to them.

    When my dad gave an alcoholic money I used to question the wisdom of it but as my dad would say he is past man’s help he is in God’s hands and there better hands than mine.

    My dad knew his limitations and knew when to let go and let God do His work.

    When I see people with addictions and illness I have peace of mind in knowing that while society fails them I can be sure that God will not and as they have suffered much from their addiction or illness they very much deserve to be at peace with God.

    That God still looks after the needy tells me that God doesn’t change and how blessed am I to know that.

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