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Acts of God—2

An interesting thought surfaced in the comment section of the last post. In misunderstanding the Acts of God, there are two possibilities:

Attributing to God the acts of Satan and attributing to Satan the acts of God.

In both cases, misunderstanding the consequences of demonic darkness results in blaming God for what he allows.

Confusion and self-deception combine to obscure the Story of how one man reverses the legacy of the first (1Cor 15:45; Romans 5). Jesus is accused of acting mercifully by the power of Beelzebub (Matt 12:24).

Then in a way no one saw coming, the unwitting actors and victims of darkness take supporting roles in pulling back the curtain. Ripped from top to bottom the shroud of history falls. The eyes of the audience stare, shut, and turn away— in shock and disbelief of the ultimate Act, Glory, and Goodness of God.

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239 Responses to “Acts of God—2”

  1. Mart DeHaan says:

    Because Steve already added some thoughts early this morning to our last conversation, am copying his early morning comments here:

    SFDBWV says:
    September 23, 2017 at 4:37 am

    Up at 3 this morning a cool clear 48, but most likely will drop another degree or two before dawn. Supposed to make it upwards to 80 degrees today…Indian Summer.

    Listening to “The Wreck of the Edmond Fitzgerald” this morning, one line stuck as I listened; “Does anyone know where the love of God goes when the minutes turn to hours?”

    Matthew is already arguing with me because I told him about someone thinking today would be the rapture or the beginning of the Tribulation. Even though I told him that today will be today all day long, still he is disappointed that he is still here and now blames me for giving him false hope.

    “Does anyone know where the love of God goes when the minutes turn to hours?”

  2. SFDBWV says:

    Thank you Mart once again for your kindness and consideration.

    It is an odd companion of thought to see as I do that God is in control of all events in all of nature. And by control I mean that there is nothing capable of stopping His will.

    The danger in seeing this way then is that when disaster of any kind comes He knew it before it happened and either did not prevent it or allowed it for a purpose unbeknownst to any.

    Just as the events of Jesus’ torture and death appeared to His followers as shocking and unbelievable…Until the morning when the tomb was empty.

    A mature Christian might be able to accept God’s will, but immature ones will be quick to blame.

    But God already knows that also and is quick to forgive, in fact in my Christianity He already forgave all of our weaknesses.

    It did drop to 46.

    Thanks again Mart


  3. poohpity says:

    Reading Romans 5 explains the Acts of God, His love and grace. That gives us a hope that will not disappoint. Many come to lead us astray just as the serpent did in the garden to give false hope but if we are aware of the characteristics, attributes and words of God compared to those of the adversary we can be on guard in this battle against the forces of darkness that easily entrap and deceive. If I had only known better comes to mind but we are given a whole book that helps us know better, sadly it is not used as often as the what the world and powers of darkness teaches.

  4. poohpity says:

    Jesus said, “If you continue in My word, you are truly My disciples. Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”

    Paul taught, “See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, which are based on human tradition and the spiritual forces of the world rather than on Christ.”

  5. SFDBWV says:

    In this *story* between Satan and God we are only given a few glimpses of the matter. Without the full picture we are left with conjecture. The problem being that our conjecturing comes from a mind that has been limited to things of this world.

    Understanding that the angels are created beings means to me that angels have limits also. However I have not yet been given the insight, only the belief in what the Word says to be true, in how the “fallen” angels were able to procreate with earth women.

    Procreate in the understanding they found the women of the earth to be attractive desirable lustfully and so sex had to take place in order for they to “procreate” together. These fallen angels then had to be male and have all the created equipment to have sex with the earthly women.

    If I understand it correctly these fallen angels are the 33.3% of the angels who joined with Satan in a rebellion against God. And that they still dwell in the spirit world unseen by us, but still able to influence us.

    Somewhat confusing to me is then the story of Job whereby Satan the leader of the rebellion, the father of lies, the one responsible for aiding in Eve’s taking of the forbidden fruit, was able to walk up to the throne of God and God simply says “where have you been?”, then accuse God of special treatment of Job and so gain permission to destroy Job without being able to actually kill him.

    God is in control and Satan can apparently do nothing without God’s permission.

    So even the “works” of Satan remain the works of God through His allowing them.
    Satan could not enter Judas without permission and Judas could not betray Jesus with being told to do so by Jesus Himself. And so as Mart has rightly stated “unwitting actors” helped bring about the “ultimate act “of glory and the goodness of God.

    All done by an act of God in order to accomplish His will.

    There is a lot more to this story between Satan and God, but there still remains only one God.


  6. Beloved says:

    Jesus’s ministry and resurrection disarmed the devil and he lost his access to God. I try to balance what the OT says with the NT. Big changes occurred as a result of Gods Son coming to earth.

  7. jeff1 says:

    God is well used to blame as more people misunderstand than understand Him. Those closer to God are obedient and submitted to His will and their expectations are different to those who are not.

    My dad was right when he said it is for me to make sure I am on God’s side rather than expect God to be on mine, because ultimately, God is on mine, but I just cannot always see it that clearly because I am in the valley and not on the mountain so God’s view is very different to mine.

    What is faithfulness but trust, trusting God’s word when others do not which is what sets a believer apart from an unbeliever to my way of thinking and surely that is what we are called to do to believe God when others fail to.

    As a young person I always had to know ‘why’ before I would do something according to my supervisor but now I realize that I don’t need to know the ‘why’ just the ‘who’ I am doing it for so when serving mankind I am working for God.

    As I see it those of us who remain faithful have to do so for those who have either fallen away or have no knowledge of God for whatever reasons. It is not for us to reason why but to know that God’s reasons are in our interests.

  8. Beloved says:

    It appears Jesus was not only doing cleanup (casting out demons, healing, etc) but preparing His own for the final cleanup by sacrificing Himself so we would be ready to inhabit the new heavens and new earth. To say he was under satans power is an affront to the Great Creator God of everything good. Job teaches us about the destructiveness of the great enemy of God.

  9. bubbles says:

    Well. Whatever. God allows things to happen, so what difference does it make? HE allows it, so it is all of Him anyway. I will never get over any of what has happened to me. God has destroyed my life and my body. This has destoryed love and friendships. This is a sick nightmare from which I cannot wake. This will never have an end to it. I will never have a minute of peace again while I am alive.

  10. Beloved says:

    Dear bubbles, you feel like Mrs, Job don’t you. God allowed Mrs. Job to once again be a mother of many children and he restored their losses to more than they had before. I believe God has great plans for your life. Trust Him.

  11. Beloved says:

    Greater plans than you can imagine right now bubbles.

  12. remarutho says:

    Good Evening All —

    19C/67F — a fine Autumn afternoon here. The Bible, it seems to me, does not permit dualism or dualistic thinking. So, all things do come from one Source, God’s will. That seems hard. Yet, our God is entirely loving, entirely good, and entirely compassionate.

    The work of God’s Son, Jesus Christ, the second Adam, undoes the destructive fall of the first Adam. The true Exodus out of the slavery of sin is accomplished.

    The shroud of history is ripped in two. We now see that God would bring each of us to Himself, cleansed and ready to enter His presence forever. “They meant evil against (God’s anointed), but God meant it for good in order to bring about this present result, to preserve many people alive.”

    Disbelief is, sadly, a wall. Faith and embracing Jesus’ sacrifice made for us is the bridge to God’s kingdom.

    Joy all day,

  13. jeff1 says:

    Thinking about the love of God and how it keeps on giving and how we do not really understand how we muster together to encourage one and other at times when we often feel so weak in ourselves and yet we do because it is God who gives us the strength to because it is in our gathering that God delights as He likes to see us united in Spirit. What ever other differences we have when we are gathered in Church singing and praying we are never more at one with God because when I think of how I love as a mother to see my children enjoying each others company rather than see them squabbling then how much more do we make God happy when we are doing the same.

  14. jeff1 says:

    Life is easy, when you’re up on the mountain
    And you’ve got peace of mind, like you’ve never known
    But things change, when you’re down in the valley
    Don’t lose faith, for you’re never alone

    For the God on the mountain, is still God in the valley
    When things go wrong, he’ll make them right
    And the God of the good times, is still God in the bad times
    The God of the day, is still God of the night

    We talk of faith way up on the mountain
    But talk comes easy, when life’s at its best
    Now its down in the valley, trials and temptations
    That’s where your faith is really put into the test

    For the God on the mountain, is still God in the valley,
    When things go wrong, he’ll make them right
    And the God of the good times, is still God in the bad times
    The God of the day, is still God in the night
    (Repeat Chorus)

    The God of the day, is still God in the night

  15. bubbles says:

    What a stupid and ignroant comment. Do you really think PEOPLE can be replaced with other people? Really?!? This is a life sentence. It will NEVER go away for the rest of my time on earth. I will never have another day of peace again. I have always thanked God for peaceful plain days because I know they are precious. I thanked Him I was not eaten up with cancer, and now I am. What good did that do to thank him for what he gave me anyway?!

  16. poohpity says:

    Scripture declares a dramatic difference between natural calamities and the work of God. Since the Fall of Man and the curse God pronounced, all creation groans with the effects of rebellion and sin. See Romans 8:22. Natural calamities are ultimately the result of natural law that is scarred by the sin of mankind. Romans 5:12 says that death entered the world because of sin. Death, pain, disease, stress, exhaustion, calamity, and all the bad things that happen came as a result of the entrance of sin into the universe.

    God’s Law, His salvation of His children, and the eternal purposes of God are above and beyond all this natural world behavior. The Bible says, “for the heavens shall vanish away like smoke, and the earth shall wax old like a garment, and they that dwell therein shall die in like manner: but My salvation shall be for ever, and My righteousness shall not be abolished” (Isaiah 51:6)

    It is true that God will eventually bring to an end His own Creation and move into a new eternity.

    It is foolish for any person to say that they know when the climactic work of God will occur.

    It is true that God has allowed evil in this world for His own purpose for a time.

    Natural calamities are a result of the sin of mankind and the role man has in superintending God’s Creation.

    But it is also true that God is not the author of evil. 1 Corinthians 14:33

    All of this is a complicated and heady subject for discussion.

    In a nutshell-

    Don’t predict…
    Don’t blame God…

    Do live like this…

    Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives 2 Peter 3:11

    Mickey Bryce
    Pastor, Centerstage Church

  17. jeff1 says:

    Thinking of how many times I was angry with God because of loosing people I loved or seeing people suffer that I cared for or my own suffering and yet I could never stay angry with God for long and I feel so much better when I am reconciled with God.

    There is so much peace of mind comes from accepting that this world will bring difficulties but that God has given us helpers as well as His word that our suffering is temporary and we shall not only be reunited with our loved ones but that we will have bodies that are indestructible as He is indestructible.

    I must hold firmly to God’s truth’s in order to remain faithful and deep down in my heart I know that God means good to me and not to harm me and that any confusion or wandering is mine because of human error and not of God’s will.

    I can say that I am a weaker rather than a mature follower and so I have leaned on OP’s faith often more than my own and I have not been disappointed.

    Whatever God’s tools make use of them because I have not found anything more uplifting than poetry, gospel music or listening to others speak of times when God came through for them.

    I am blessed to have known many faithful believers in Christ whose lives gave me the hope and encouragement needed to see God as He really is and not as I was envisaging him because of disappointment in my life at the time.

    Remembering that God’s character is to be consistent should help me to see that it is I who changes God but that He does not change.

  18. SFDBWV says:

    One of the things I realized from reading books written from other people who have went through, what to them were, devastating ordeals is that it is all very personal.

    Meant to give encouragement, they too often just show how you have been left out or make you feel abandoned by God.

    The worse and I do mean the worse ones, make you feel as if your predicament or situation is a matter of your not having enough faith to rectify the problem.

    Laying the burden on your already weary soul.

    Jesus says “Come to me all you who are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.”

    He hasn’t given you another task or burden, just asks that you come to Him, trust Him, believe on Him and He will give you rest.

    Rest from what? Rest from the burden of worrying about the matter, as the outcome is not under your control.

    One of my favorite old folk songs is “Wayfaring Stranger”. It defines the concept that we do not belong in this world but are only traveling through it on our way to a better place.

    This world is a temporary dwelling place, our bodies a temporary dwelling place for what and who we really are.

    Ours is a strange religion because it isn’t about being here, it is about being prepared here for another place, another life.

    If you can understand this concept, then it is clear logic for people who are living a horrible life here rather to be dead and free of the world and rush to that better world.

    That is the problem, we can’t rush God’s will and people who live in horrible circumstances either have to come to terms with its being God’s will or not. Either way doesn’t change its being a horrible circumstance, only its being a struggle in coming to terms with it.

    Philippians 4:7 KJV “And the peace of God which passeth all understanding shall keep your hearts and minds through Jesus Christ.”

    I pray for that peace for all who are going through or stuck in whatever struggle they are in.

    I am not in control either, I just have compassion and sympathy for all who suffer.

    45 degrees and clear.


  19. jeff1 says:

    From Sunday Reflections as music is food for my soul I like to share it.

    Some days you may lead me through green pastures
    My heart drinks in deep the waters sweet
    And some days you may lead me through the desert
    Even then you’re still the reason I can say
    I am blessed beyond measure
    So far beyond what’s gained through earthly treasures

    Whatever comes my way still my soul will say
    I am blessed
    I am blessed
    Through the troubled pain and disappointments
    When it seems that I have nothing left
    You will never leave me or forsake me
    I will testify until my dying breath
    I am blessed beyond measure
    So far beyond what’s gained through earthly treasures

    Whatever comes my way
    Still my soul will say
    I am blessed
    I am blessed
    You alone are my reward

    With you I want for nothing more
    And because your goodness follows me all my days
    I am blessed beyond measure
    So far beyond what’s gained through earthly treasures
    O whatever comes my way

    Still my soul will say
    I am blessed
    I am blessed
    I am blessed
    I am blessed
    O blessed
    I am blessed Thank You Jesus

  20. Beloved says:

    The more I think about God I think to say that God allows evil and bad things to happen to His creation is a misjudgement on our part. Who is this God that tells us to be forgiving, merciful, loving, and kind yet would stand by and watch us squirm and suffer? I’m thinking Marts on to something here, when he was wondering a few weeks ago about Jobs resignation as to Gods role in his untimely demise.

    if the purpose of Jesus’s suffering was redemption then truly it IS FINISHED, as He said. Or we call him a liar and continue on hoping somehow our suffering will bring the relief we so want, or that somehow God still needs from us. We can give or do nothing, no amount of suffering or good works can bring redemption but only Jesus can and has done it. We need only believe and accept it. Its very humbling, yes it is.

  21. poohpity says:

    My relationship with Christ is about the here and now. The people Jesus ministered to, the same as today, were in the moment. Also in looking forward to the future but more than anything to get through this life for today. Personally I have never been or practiced a religion that only considers the being prepared for another place or time.

    I need the Lord for today to get through, surgeries, disabilities, need for food, help with depression, loss, grief, strength, forgiveness, love, grace. I have days that I am in self pity mode or have cried all through the night or day but only when I am looking at circumstance without giving them to the Lord to carry or help me through. Very seldom do I wish I were dead for only a moment but more I wish to live this life in victory and overcome the obstacles resting in the care of Jesus.

    It is about faith. Faith in the One who can do all things and trusting Him to see me through. Belief in Jesus is for today, one day at a time, that brings comfort, contentment, joy and gratefulness for what I do have, not the things I wish were different but are not which brings discontentment and disillusion especially if I believe I deserve something more. I know that I do not deserve the love and sacrifice of God but have been given a wonderful gift that is to be treasured and shared today.

    It would be nice if people spent more time getting to know the God they say they believe in, I bet their lives would be more meaningful, purposeful and filled with life after they have been born again to a new life in Christ Jesus. Does that make all the troubles, suffering, sorrows, struggles in life go away, no because Jesus promised they will come but it gives us a new hope and different ways of experiencing them through the filter of the Holy Spirit and God’s abilities, not ours.

    Jesus taught; “Others, like seed sown on rocky places, hear the word and at once receive it with joy. 17 But since they have no root, they last only a short time. When trouble or persecution comes because of the word, they quickly fall away. 18 Still others, like seed sown among thorns, hear the word; 19 but the worries of this life, the deceitfulness of wealth and the desires for other things come in and choke the word, making it unfruitful.” So has the troubles of this world disease, disaster and desires for something other than what one has choked out God in our lives and the enemy wants us to believe the worst about Him so that we no longer believe in His goodness. They seem to believe in a divine Santa Claus and when He does not give us what we want, we turn away from Him and say all sorts of evil and blame against our God.

  22. poohpity says:

    The troubles in life can bring us closer to God for those who believe or they can push us away because we do not believe.

  23. poohpity says:

    Consider it pure joy, my brothers and sisters, whenever you face trials of many kinds, 3 because you know that the testing of your faith produces perseverance. 4 Let perseverance finish its work so that you may be mature and complete, not lacking anything. James 1:2-4

  24. poohpity says:

    If we lose faith then the Devil has won and we have brought him great satisfaction. Just curse God and die as Job’s wife suggested. “Then his wife said to him, “Do you still hold fast your integrity? Curse God and die!” 10But he said to her, “You speak as one of the foolish women speaks. Shall we indeed accept good from God and not accept adversity?” In all this Job did not sin with his lips.”

  25. poohpity says:

    Beloved, if God does not allow evil or bad things to happen then He would have take to away our free will.

  26. Beloved says:

    Looking at the picture for this post and thinking of the desolation left after Christ paid the due penalty for our sins. Nothing pretty about it, it was through horrible suffering that He made the way to true fellowship with God. Can you see Him suffering? Can you feel His pain, anguish, and end -of-His-rope feelings? If you can then you know God knows and feels your pain also. He delights in those who call upon His name, for there is no other Name by which we can be saved! Jesus!

  27. poohpity says:

    to take away our free will, lol, not take to away because the very heart of man. Matt 15:19

  28. Beloved says:

    Having free will does not change God, and who He is.

  29. jeff1 says:

    Jesus taught this so that I would understand when I was wandering not for me to accuse other of wandering but to keep myself on course.

    Pooh, you cannot control others thoughts or actions nor does God tell you to so leave another’s waywardness to God for He is much more skilled at drawing His sheep back than you or I are.

    God is concerned with you submitting to Him as He is concerned with me submitting to Him but what He reveals to me is not going to be what He reveals to you as we are different children on a different journey.

    Stop concerning yourself with others blaming God because God is around longer than people blaming Him has and I can assure you it doesn’t limit God but if you allow it it will limit yourself.

    God wants you to be looking at Him and if you are focused on Him and being lead by Him then you will know so are others even if they are not at your level as God is leading them at their level.

    We are all sheep some a little denser than others but God will soon put that right if I give Him the chance.

  30. Beloved says:

    Or what He does. Justice and mercy. Justice for sin and mercy for sinners.

  31. jeff1 says:

    I was referring my last post to Pooh’s post 8.51 am

  32. poohpity says:

    I did not say it changes God, I said if He did not allow evil and bad to happen then He would have to take away the free will He has given to mankind.

  33. poohpity says:

    Viv, how was I trying to control others or accuse them of wandering? If someone reads what I wrote then sees themselves in it, it is not me who is controlling or accusing but that is coming from within them, their own conscience. It sounds more like you accusing me or judging my motivations not the other way around!!! Think about the topic we are talking about and that is my nickels worth of addition to that alone.

  34. poohpity says:

    Viv, Just like you said take care of your own heart and stop concerning yourself with mine. Mine is submissive to listening to God so I know that the heart of anyone else is not my business because I know God can handle theirs also.

  35. Beloved says:

    Poohpity your thesis makes God a monster.

  36. Beloved says:

    Which is why God gets blamed for catastrophic events.

  37. poohpity says:

    Hebrews 11:6

  38. Beloved says:

    God is a monster to those who do not trust in His salvation and truly know Him. He is good, all the time.

  39. poohpity says:

    No Beloved, YOUR INTERPRETATION of my thesis makes God a monster. My thesis is that God is good all the time and is just and right in all His ways which are higher than my understanding or than I can even or ever imagine. Those are my beliefs. He wants what is in the best interest of all mankind, that is love. Sometimes that means letting us suffer the consequences of our choices because He does not force His will on us or try to control us. Look around God once destroyed mankind because of the evil within their hearts but instead when it happened again came to give His life for us, that is not what we deserved but He did it anyway because of HIS GREAT LOVE.

  40. poohpity says:

    God allowed Satan to disrupt Job’s life, God allowed Paul to spend most of His life in prison and not take away the thorn in his flesh, etc.. God allowed Israel to be taken away as captives to Babylon. I think a better understanding of God’s history by reading the bible one is able to see what I meant by God allowing evil and bad things to happen. It would be nice if we learned by anything other than pain of some kind, but we don’t often.

  41. poohpity says:

    God allowed Peter to be sifted by Satan. Luke 22:31-32

  42. poohpity says:

    I could give you many more examples but the few listed I hope you get the picture.

  43. poohpity says:

    God did not have an evil or bad intent for those things because that would be totally against His character but brought positive results like increasing faith, perseverance, character, compassion from them.

  44. Beloved says:

    Sure, thanks for further explaining your concept poohpity.

  45. poohpity says:

    It is not my concept but what is taught to us through the word of God. Think about this the next time you have evil or anger(the same as murder according to Jesus), malice or bad thoughts about someone rather than God striking you dead has shown you grace. God has the power to destroy evil of every kind and one day will but until then has allowed it.

  46. Beloved says:

    Just thinking about what mart wrote, makes more and more sense to me.

  47. Beloved says:

    Some get “saved” because of fear of hell, not love for our Creator. Grace is good too but fear of God is greater.

  48. Beloved says:

    I think it is us that allow evil to rule in our lives, not God.

  49. Beloved says:

    Our free will let’s us choose who we will serve, either God (goodness) or evil.

  50. jeff1 says:

    Your words imply otherwise Pooh, i.e. quote from your post 8.51 am.

    They seem to believe in a divine Santa Claus and when He does not give us what we want, we turn away from Him and say all sorts of evil and blame against our God.

    Who is they? And then they becomes we! Who is we?

    Who are you trying to confuse Pooh, I know that I am not trying to confuse anyone. It is I who blames God at times when I have misunderstood what He was doing in my life and I wish I could say that I will not misunderstand or blame Him again because I am ignorant of His ways. What I do not do is say it to another believer or publicly that I blame God because that is between God and me if I falter and it is Him I have to reconcile with so that He takes care of my heart rather than me.

    If I cannot encourage another believer then I would rather say nothing because my waywardness is my problem and not another’s and therefore I should not burden them with it and it is often other believers who have encouraged me in my wandering and why gathering together as believers is fruitful in keeping faithful to God.

    It is God who is concerned that our hearts are right with Him because when our hearts are right with Him then they will be right with each other.

    My heart too is submissive to listening but the difference in my dad’s heart and mine was that his was obedient as he listened and that is what his life reflected a man who was submitted to the will of God so much so that another’s faltering did not disturb his submitting which is how my own life should be if I am obedient to God.

  51. Beloved says:

    Peters sifting(denial) came before Jesus disarmed Satan at the crucification. He still walks around trying to get us to defect but we have the armour (tools) we need to stay in Gods kingdom here on earth.

  52. Beloved says:

    So does God allow when I succomb to evil or does God allow evil to have its way? Thinking it’s neither. Thinking God is always good and grieves for me and all of us as a good Father would when we are hurting and in destress.

  53. Beloved says:

    I hope no one is taking this discussion as personal. I love theological discourse and this is a good place to talk about God. Disagreeing is a healthy part of any discussion and perhaps we can learn something new?

    My hope also is that personal vendettas disputes and irritations could be set aside for the sake of growth and learning more about this marvelous God who’s name is Love.

  54. poohpity says:

    Viv, try reading THEY within the whole paragraph which was speaking of the types of heart that God’s word falls on. Try rereading it again within the whole paragraph then maybe you will come away with a different understanding rather than taking that one sentence out to prove the ugliness you want it to say. The THEY then applies to those who hearts have fallen away from God due to circumstances they did not like or hardships.

    The WE was speaking of the times that has also happened to me as well as those talked about in that scripture.

    Beloved, only you can answer whether there are many times that you succumb to the lies, deceit, evil schemes and whatever Satan throws at you. Sometimes it may look like it was an angel of light or that we have ever right to do something according to the world but maybe not to God. Yes it seems God always gives us a choice of who we follow or listen to, God shows us His ways and will, it is up to us to do them.

  55. Beloved says:

    Knowing God makes all the difference in Who we follow, or not.

  56. jeff1 says:

    What do you mean the ugliness I want it to say? Explain what you mean by that!

  57. Beloved says:

    If we are blind its our own heart that blinds us. Only God can open blind eyes Jeff1 as we all know.

  58. Beloved says:

    Poohpity:Yes it seems God always gives us a choice of who we follow or listen to, God shows us His ways and will, it is up to us to do them.

    Yes it is up to us, isn’t it. Good that God is still merciful and kind even when we disobey, right? However there are ramifications with others when we disobey. It takes humility to be able to admit when we are disobeyinging but it does restore fellowship and unity, one of the goals of Gods Kingdom.

  59. Beloved says:

    Ramifications with God also. I know when He is not p!eased with me. Ouch

  60. Beloved says:

    Ouch, please forgive me for the comment about blindness. Lord forgive me.

  61. jeff1 says:

    Why is it that God is so much more understanding than people because I did not want to see ugliness in Pooh’s post but I believe I would have understood her point if she had quoted Jesus’s teaching without her own words added. Our words give away what is in our heart and I wish my heart were always pure as God’s is but I have a long way to go to know what that is.

    All I can say is that words can either encourage or put down in the way they are said and why I believe they should be said with great clarity because the tongue is as deadly as the sword.

    Think about how wars start and it is usually because words are taken out of context and used as weapons.

    We talk of Satan when truthfully it is our own hearts and minds that need to be changed and staying close to God is the only way to do that which requires submission to His Spirit so that my heart is changed to be pure like His.

    Until my heart is changed I will feel like a creature of this world and not a friend of Jesus and so it should be as it takes obedience to change this world and those who have obeyed God are the ones who have made a difference in a fallen world and not those who are consistently wandering because I hate weakness in myself while what I loved about my dad was that he was not blinded by the wiles of men because it was his way of life to be submitted to God and not a half hearted effort.

    I am either righteous because I am submitted to God and blameless before Him or I am a sinner saved by Grace and it is for God to decide which I am because it is God who knows whether He has used me for His purpose or if I have been more of a hindrance than a friend of Christ.

    I wish I were more like my dad but the truth hurts and my dad was a true gentleman while I struggle to be a lady as some people just bring out the worst in me.

  62. poohpity says:

    Viv, for the ugliness reread the @9:25 comment just because the comment was misread I had made and took it out of context. Yes a tongue is a deadly weapon especially when spoken out of a lack of knowledge or understanding and rather than asking for clarity, just ASSUME don’t ask. That always works, right?? Always think the worst about someone that works too!

    What is in one’s heart always finds it way out of the mouth.

  63. Beloved says:

    Jeff1 our hearts will always betray us, others and God until we are in heaven. We all have touchy points as well and I’ve often misunderstood people assuming the worst, I have to read and re-read to make sense some times. Sometimes I’ll read negative thoughts into a perfectly benign statement depending where my head is at at the time, like am I feeling sad, angry, frustrated, aches and pains, tired or just annoyed. Sometimes old wounds are kindled by paying too much attention to an annoyance from the past. I try to live in today and look forward to my future promise of everlasting peace. I fail, but move on. Fixing my eyes on Jesus my hope is renewed for a new day and better, hopefully.

  64. Beloved says:

    Jeff1 you do not deserve the tongue lashing you just got from poohpity. Words in print don’t often convey dialect colloquialisms from place to place. I don’t think it was said spitefully though as it sounds. Probably more like a knock on the head to get your attention.

  65. foreverblessed says:

    1 For 15:45
    The second Adam became a Life-giving Spirit!

    That line stands in my head a few days now!
    A Life-giving Spirit.

    His Spirit gives life to us!

    And the Spirit IN Jesus had to suffer, so that through His stripes we are healed, ( spiritually, emotionally and physically)
    Isaiah 53:5

  66. foreverblessed says:

    1 Cor 15:45
    For some reason, the depth of this verse hits me really hard!

    God’s love, ever deepening touching us!

  67. foreverblessed says:

    Have our eyes fixed on Jesus, girls!
    A good training ground here!

  68. foreverblessed says:

    But I am repeating Beloved, I see now!

    Beloved, how does it feel to have such a name?
    Isn’t it strengthening??

    We will be given new names, they must be really encouraging too!

  69. jeff1 says:

    Not trying to be argumentive but I have lived with people like me all my life and it was our weaknesses that made history repeat itself and this country saw hate and violence that should never have been.

    Why in a Christian country were Christians killing Christians and saying it was God’s will. I will tell you why when many here were killed for wanting to be British rather than Irish you took sides and as the IRA were fighting for the freedom of Ireland those who believed in that freedom saw nothing wrong with supporting them although it was their guns and explosives that were killing the British.

    I worked for the military all my life i.e. the British forces so I knew personally many of the victims of the IRA’s campaign. I ended up hating the IRA and mistrusting Roman Catholics because although they were not supporting the violence they supported the reason for the violence which meant that unless you knew them for most of their life you could not be sure if they were working for the IRA.

    This campaign lasted for 30 years and in that time I learned how to hate and when those on my side would say there was an IRA man blew himself up trying to bomb I would be pleased because I would think of the lives saved because he didn’t succeed in his bombing.

    All this time I was going to church believing that God was on my side as I was on the right side.

    My dad never agreed with my thinking nor did he encourage me and I often seen my dad as being a traitor to our side because he was never critical enough of those who were killing.

    Why was my dad’s whole attitude and behaviour so different to everyone’s else’s and why could he see what was right in the midst of the maddening crowd it was because he was submitted to God’s will and was seeing from God’s eyes and not his own as the rest of us were.

    Obedience matters and I do not see that when I am being disobedient but when I am not submitted to God I am his enemy.

    All the knowledge and all the different translations of the bible will not change that fact.

    My dad’s righteousness was from God and not himself otherwise his choices would have been like the rest of us and I can assure you they were anything but Godly choices.

    I am either a Saint or I am a Sinner as there is no in between in God’s terrority and I can tell myself what I like but Jesus is very strict about who are His followers because of the discipline that is required to be one.

    My dad was consistent because he was submitted to God i.e. he was not changing his mind and saying one thing one day and something else the next.

    It is obedience that brings me close to God and he reveals to me what others do not see and it is this process that brings me close to His way the narrow way rather than the suffering I put myself through when I take the wide road home.

    Death is the final submission in bringing me back to God and why for a wanderer like myself it will be a relief to be in the arms of the God who never has forsaken me not even when I was His enemy did He show me anger or any inclination that I was His enemy because God’s love is way beyond that of human love and why God is so misunderstood.

  70. poohpity says:

    Julie Ackerman Link wrote this prayer when discouraged about evil, using Psalm 44:1-8

    Thank you , Lord, that the forces of evil, which have taken center stage in this world, are only a small part of the real drama. Forgive me for judging the entire performance by one short scene. Thank you for the past, which shows me the work you have done; for the present, which gives me a chance to participate in the work You are still doing; and the for the future, which will reveal the work You have accomplished. When I become discouraged about evil that is so visible, remind me of the heavenly forces working behind the scenes to bring about Your plan for the ages.

  71. poohpity says:

    Romans 12:21

  72. poohpity says:

    Saints are forgiven sinners!

  73. poohpity says:

    Beloved, just FYI, It was neither a tongue lashing or spiteful it was frustration of being accused of messed up thinking based not on my real self but based on the perspective of someone else just like has been done in the past. I think about things differently than most on here do and that is not meaning any worse or any better just different.

  74. poohpity says:

    I have a purpose in my life and most of what I do is based on that calling although I mess up and it is done imperfectly it is what I focus on. This is my life mission statement;

    Guide people to be followers (disciples) of Christ through an intimate knowledge of Him through His word.

    So most my thinking is based on that especially when writing on here or speaking at places or teaching bible studies or just living my life. My cause is for Christ. That is how I think and gives my life purpose and meaning.

  75. Beloved says:

    Foreverblessed to be called beloved by the ruler of the universe is beyond words! It puts everything about my life in Perspective. My greatest longing throughout my life has been to be loved, really loved. I knew Him since I was 9 and that love has never failed me. When I discovered at age 12 that he laid down his very life for me and all of mankind, good, bad and in between I was even more thrilled and wanted more and more of Him as I do still each day. How he can love someone as wretched and depraved as I am is beyond me, but He does!! And He calls me His own, His beloved. Oh mercy!

  76. Beloved says:

    Poohpity thanks for sharing your personal thoughts this morning. You too are a beloved child of God.

  77. foreverblessed says:

    Beloved! Isn’t it good, isn’t is wonderful.
    I have been blessed by my blogname, tremendously!
    At the time I knew immediately what name to choose:
    Blessedforever, but that name was already taken on this site, I wonder who that was, the name never appeared.
    And then came Gary, saying we ought not to say we have made it already. And then I thought the name may be presumptuous.
    But no, an inner voice said calmly, keep the name, rely on Me that I will work it out in you.

    And I do believe that God is…
    The Father, Who chooses us
    the God of Abraham
    The Son, Who was sacrificed for us, so that we could be free
    the God of Isaac
    The Holy Spirit the One Who guides us, teaches us, trains us, disciplines us
    the God of Jacob.

    So Jeff, as God could train one as Jacob, He can train us too!

    And Pooh, all of us have the same goal as you do, so welcome to the church.

  78. poohpity says:

    Oh do you? Each person is gifted in different ways and serves different purposes. I did not mention my goals only my cause. So how do you know if we have the same goals? Oh by assuming again.

  79. poohpity says:

    forever, what were you feeling in your heart when you wrote, “And Pooh, all of us have the same goal as you do, so welcome to the church.”? That is rhetorical question no answer is needed for me, just for you to think about the true condition of your heart.

  80. poohpity says:

    Here is what Jesus said about those who are actually blessed;

    And he opened his mouth and taught them, saying:

    “Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.”

    “Blessed are those who mourn, for they shall be comforted.”

    “Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth.”

    “Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they shall be satisfied.”

    “Blessed are the merciful, for they shall receive mercy.”

    “Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God.”

    “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God.”

    “Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness’ sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.”

    “Blessed are you when others revile you and persecute you and utter all kinds of evil against you falsely on my account. Rejoice and be glad, for your reward is great in heaven, for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you.”

  81. foreverblessed says:

    In all of those years I have been reading everybody’s comments I sensed everybody is focussed on Christ, or at least has the aime of focussing on Christ. But we are often side- trapped, and lose our focus, then we are sorry, and refocus on Jesus.
    That is what I have sensed!
    All of us!

  82. foreverblessed says:

    Yes, blessed are those….
    You see that it is like a staircase, going upwards and upwards.
    We start with the poor in spirit, where we found out that we could not do it alone,
    And the mourning, and we were comforted.
    For a long time we were comforted, the Holy Spirit’s work.
    Or at least, I was.
    And time and again God would take me back to the comforting platform.

    It takes a long time to love our enemies, it is way upwards the blessed stairs….
    And all on the heights is: rejoicing when you are being persecuted, or falsely accused.

    I must say, I am not good at the last 2 steps…
    But I do trust The Holy Spirit will get me there!

  83. Beloved says:

    Romans 12:6-8The Message (MSG)

    4-6 In this way we are like the various parts of a human body. Each part gets its meaning from the body as a whole, not the other way around. The body we’re talking about is Christ’s body of chosen people. Each of us finds our meaning and function as a part of his body. But as a chopped-off finger or cut-off toe we wouldn’t amount to much, would we? So since we find ourselves fashioned into all these excellently formed and marvelously functioning parts in Christ’s body, let’s just go ahead and be what we were made to be, without enviously or pridefully comparing ourselves with each other, or trying to be something we aren’t.

    6-8 If you preach, just preach God’s Message, nothing else; if you help, just help, don’t take over; if you teach, stick to your teaching; if you give encouraging guidance, be careful that you don’t get bossy; if you’re put in charge, don’t manipulate; if you’re called to give aid to people in distress, keep your eyes open and be quick to respond; if you work with the disadvantaged, don’t let yourself get irritated with them or depressed by them. Keep a smile on your face

  84. Beloved says:

    Dutch and American cultures are very different so stop taking offense so easily with one another as these things will never find a solution here but instead focus on Christ! What He has done, is doing, and how He is using each of us to transform our world, cultures and neighborhoods.

  85. Beloved says:

    And yes, even cultures within a country are different so all the more reason to focus on Christ alone whether preaching, teaching, helping or blogging. As Jeff1 shared, so transparently earlier, with Gods help we can do a!l things through Christ who strengthens us.

  86. jeff1 says:

    Pooh, you can be cynical of me mistrusting people but that is because people have let me down in life and so I do not take their word but look at their actions.
    In this blog words are all we have to go by and coming from different countries and cultures I cannot expect you to understand what life is like in my country but hatred was bred into people here which is why I know that it is people to blame and not God.

    Other peoples circumstances maybe different and they may blame God but I can only speak from my own difficulties and not anyone else’s.

    I accept that I am as much to blame as my enemies because unlike my dad I was not submitted to God when I should have been and the consequences of mine and others failures have now ramifications for our children which to me suggests that the sins of the fathers do pass on to the next generation which is why this world never knows peace and why God says don’t make it your home.

    I only see the evil in my own heart and the evil of my enemies but God sees it from His viewpoint and that’s what makes Him a better judge on what is going on in the world and how wicked it has become.

    I can tell you this that when you are in the midst of evil it is much harder to do what is right and why my admiration for Jesus and His followers of that day goes way beyond my understanding because I do not find it easy to be brave as they where.

    I was shopping once in Londonderry when a riot broke out and a drunk man was trying to protect the police station from a mob and they were firing petrol bombs and bricks at him and the blood was everywhere and I never did find out if he survived but my dad and some other men dragged him into a nearby shop and got him into an ambulance but when you are up close and personal to violence its ugliness becomes all too real and God seems very far away from it or maybe that is my perception that He seems very far away because of the ugliness of it all.

  87. Beloved says:

    Forever that is fascinating the way you look at the Beatitudes! It really helps put our walk in focus, thank you!

    Thinking about acts of God when we see Jesus living out what He taught how can we confuse evil with good, and stay sane! God is not the author of confusion. But we sure can become confused. Keeping our eyes on Jesus alone clears up all confusion.

  88. Beloved says:

    Jeff2 you have seen some horrific things. I thank God for keeping you safe, preserving your voice here for us to listen to and care for.

  89. poohpity says:

    Hate is the same in any language or in any culture. It is a choice and it only causes harm to the person holding it within their hearts. It causes bitterness, hardheartedness, depression, physical aliments and problems in relationships. More than anything it does not please God and is not a reflection of what He has done for us.

    Have you ever sat down with a person and talked to them personally or just hate because people have told you to because they have a different ideology?

  90. poohpity says:

    Hate is ripping our country apart now. It just breaks my heart bringing tears to my eyes because no one actually is listening to each other nor do they care to. It is the saddest thing I have ever seen.

    I had hope this weekend when a group of supporters of our President had a rally and a group of protestors from BLM came to hassle them. BUT The President’s supporters ask their leader to come on stage and share what they were protesting. When it came down to it they found much in common and ended the rally shaking hands and embracing. Now how often do opposing sides let the other speak on their stage? Not often but the consequences we just wonderful, communication brings people together even when they do not agree on everything, they agreed on enough to stop the hate and extended a hand in humanity and respect.

  91. poohpity says:

    Now that was an act of God. Most things written in the bible are about relationships and how to build them. Relationships between the Godhead, between God and man and between man and man. It all seems wrapped around relationships, keeping them, developing them and destroying them. If one thinks about it there is nothing better for the Devil than to see all people fighting over everything all the time. The devil wins.

  92. Beloved says:

    The Bible tells us to look for the good in others and to focus on Jesus and the loveliness of His creation and created ones. Bitterness, hate and malice etc have no ground to stand on in God’s economy. It does no good to complain about what we cannot control. We can only control our own thoughts if submitted to the will of God, the author of all things good. The Bible tells what to think about. Hallelujah!

  93. poohpity says:

    You are right Joye we are only responsible for our own thoughts but aren’t we responsible to teach others a better way, not to control them but to show there is a different and better way, then leave it up to them to seek the only one who can change hearts. They may not know because they have not heard. Romans 10:14-15

  94. poohpity says:

    sorry that was supposed to be Joyce not Joye.

  95. Beloved says:

    Joyce is my mothers name. You can call me by my blog handle, thanks.

  96. jeff1 says:

    Beloved 1.39 pm

    The worst thing about violence and hatred is that when it goes on for as long as it did in this country you get acclimatized to it which means you stop feeling what normal people feel and accept it as a normal part of life. The first time you learned of a military or policeman being blow up you were horrified but 30 years on and it was normal to us living here and no longer shocked us. That is what bothered me the most that I got so used to violence and death that it became a part of life.

    Truthfully, I believe a lot more people died than was buried, I see many of us here as the walking dead here in body but not in Spirit because we don’t really know what it is to be alive anymore in the real sense.

    It was Sir Winston Churchill who said those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it and this country is proof of that.

    The trouble with history is that each side writes their side of it and the truth gets lost in eternity so God is the only just Judge when it comes to mankind.

  97. Beloved says:

    Absolutely! Vengeance is mine, saith the LORD, I will repay! Isn’t it great to know that injustice will not be forgotten? God bless all the victims of war and abuse. I think you said once that adversity makes one stronger. The light of Christ will always outshine even the darkness. Another act of God ongoing in and through us.

  98. jeff1 says:

    I think it is justice that God will repay for those who lost their loved ones in a violent way and have not been able to understand why they had a violent death because when you loose someone through violence you do not believe it is God’s will but Satan’s will so they need justice and not vengeance because vengeance is wrong to my mind but justice is necessary for the soul that has been murdered.

  99. Beloved says:

    Romans 12:9

    English Standard Version
    Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave it to the wrath of God, for it is written, “Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord.”

  100. Beloved says:

    For Christ followers to take revenge is taking God’s place. God hates sin and will not tolerate it. There is a wrathful side of God that can’t tolerate sin. It’s so important to accept Jesus substitution on the cross for our sin lest we die and fall to the wrath of God.

    Why children and seemingly innocents fall victim to guns and bombs is beyond comprehension. It’s the world we live in along with hurricanes and earth quake that kill many. I’m glad to know God will avenge the sense of Justice He’s placed in us as His image bearers on earth.

    War and natural disasters are so complicated, aren’t they.

  101. Beloved says:

    Oops Romans 12:19 was what I quoted not Romans 12:9

  102. jeff1 says:

    Those who hate wars are more often the ones that fought in them because they seen how horrific it was.

    My dad joined the Royal Navy at 18 and fought in the second world war and he rarely spoke of it and when he did it brought tears to his eyes. I believe that’s why he was such a peace maker.

    He told me once of his time in Palestine when he was the Palestine Police and the brutality of some of the terrorists there. I expect he had thought that would be the end of war for him little did he know that twenty one years later his homeland would become a war zone.

    It’s better we don’t know what is ahead of us one day at a time is enough to be going on with in a world such as this one.

    I’m only human, I’m just a woman
    Help me believe in what I could be
    And all that I am
    Show me the stairway I have to climb
    Lord for my sake, help me to take
    One day at a time

    One day at a time sweet Jesus
    That’s all I’m askin’ of you
    Just give me the strength
    To do every day what I have to do
    Yesterday’s gone sweet Jesus
    And tomorrow may never be mine
    Lord, help me today, show me the way
    One day at a time

    Do you remember when you walked among men
    Well Jesus you know
    If you’re lookin’ below, its worse now than then
    Pushin’ and shovin’ and crowdin’ my mind
    So for my sake, teach me to take
    One day at a time

    One day at a time sweet Jesus
    That’s all I’m askin’ of you
    Just give me the strength
    To do every day what I have to do
    Yesterday’s gone sweet Jesus
    And tomorrow may never be mine
    Lord, help me today, show me the way
    One day at a time

  103. poohpity says:

    Not telling the truth or being full of deceit comes from one who belongs to the father of lies as Jesus said in John 8:44.

  104. Beloved says:

    Jeff1 I’ve been thinking about what life must have been like for you during the conflicts. Wondering if you carry any false or real guilt from those times? It’s so easy to get caught up in activities that are the norm. Even terrible ones. It’s fairly predictable.

    I just want to remind you that the Bible says that if we confess our sin God is faithful to forgive us and to cleanse us of all unrighteousness! All of it! Isn’t that good news? It’s like a starting over and no matter what anyone or even our own thoughts tell us we can cling to that promise with joy and peace.

    Just thinking..

  105. Beloved says:

    And praying

  106. Beloved says:

    Jeff1 be careful who you may or may not talk to, not all have your best interests in mind. Blessings,

  107. street says:

    thinking about justice and faithfulness.
    every time i want justice i understand that picking up sticks on the Sabbath is punishable by stoning. makes me think this is a good time to beg for mercy. God can be rich in mercy because of His Son. i also know He doesn’t show partiality in His mercy. His Grace and mercy take my can take my breath away sometimes or bring stillness, other times great joy. it’s the stillness that bothers me when there needs to be a response.

  108. Beloved says:

    Justice, yes. We do long for it, don’t we…at least I do sometimes. In my prayers tonight I felt the slivers in my arms as I clung to the cross. Its all I have, all I’ve ever had.

    I changed my name finally recognizing that I no longer want to be known by my birth name, or my past. You see my mother and I share the same name. But she hated me before i was born almost as much as she hated herself. I spent a lifetime trying to be accepted by her…mother’s are supposed to love their children, right?

    But I found a Love that transcends all the failed attempts at love.

    “I am my beloveds’
    and my beloved is mine.”

    The poet said.. how true that is.

    The Perfect justice. Nothing in my hand I bring, only to thy cross I cling.

  109. street says:

    Ripped from top to bottom the shroud of history falls.

    shroud noun
    a cloth or sheet in which a corpse is wrapped for burial.

    the end of the law and sin. begins, a renewed relationship with the Creator. we know this is true because of the resurrection and some how we have come to know these truths and this God.

    Matthew 16:17
    Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven.

  110. foreverblessed says:

    Today’s verse in Biblegateway is Hebrews 10:30-31
    A pretty grim verse, so it seems to me.
    But then, there is just one remedy:
    Just one look at the Saviour!

    Turn to Me and be saved.

    Only turning to God is enough.
    And then the deeds for which we were lost, are taken up by Jesus, and He has already paid for them on the cross.
    And we are save in Him.
    No fury of God can harm us.

    This topic is hard to talk about.
    I was thinking that we need to grow in the love of God more and more to see the depth of what Jesus did.
    Or the depth of suffering for the followers of Jesus, where it is evident that Christ’s suffering was complete. What would ours add to it, as Beloved asked Sunday morning.

    Call me deeper still into love, love ,love
    (from Good good Father)
    And there in the hiding place of our God, He will tell us of His love.
    I really so appreciate Beloved stating:

    “I am my beloved’s
    and my beloved is mine”

    Is Jesus mine? Wow, yes He is, and I am His!

  111. foreverblessed says:

    Col 1:24
    Now I rejoice in what was suffered for you,
    ( another rejoicing like: rejoice when you are persecuted matt 5:12)
    and I fill up in my flesh what is still lacking in regard to Christ’s afflictions,
    for the sake of His body, which is the church.

  112. jeff1 says:

    Beloved 25 Sept 9.11 pm

    I am damaged goods Beloved and over 30 years truthfully I cannot remember half of my wrong thinking or the times hatred consumed me.

    I have days when I have such great peace knowing God has forgiven me but the past comes back to haunt me as it does most people here and why I will never see this world as my home because the memories here are horrific.

    I long for God to change me so completely that all of the horrific things I have seen and heard are gone completely and I do not believe that will happen until I am fully submitted which means death in this world to resurrection in the next.

    I do not have any great guilt other than my own as it was my thoughts, my wayward heart, my sin against God which I believe that God has forgiven but as I get older I do not find it any easier because there are consequences for my children in a country where it was people like me who caused another generation to go wrong.

    God has saved me from myself because as it turns out I was my own worst enemy and still am that I know His Grace covers me means I can enjoy praising and continuing in my faith but many of our children here have turned away from God because of my generations failure to learn from history because Sir Winston Churchill was right when he said if we do not learn form history then we are doomed to repeat it.

    God does not control us it is not His way so when I make my bed I have to lie in it but God will release this bird from its cage and death shall have no dominion over me because Jesus did as His father commanded and unlike me He was obedient because He knew what was at stake i.e. that sinners like me would be held in damnation not just in this world but for eternity and so I realize that no matter what horrors this life has brought me I am blessed to know this because many through false teaching or their own waywardness do not know it and are blind to what Jesus has done for them because until history stops repeating itself this world does not change for any of us.

  113. jeff1 says:

    A beautiful song as it is like a Summer’s day here and there is nothing that soothes the soul like a beautiful song.

    I watch the sunrise lighting the sky,
    Casting its shadows near.
    And on this morning,
    Bright though it be,
    I feel those shadows near me.

    But you are always close to me,
    Following all my ways.
    May I be always close to you,
    Following all your ways Lord.

    I watch the sunlight shine through the clouds,
    Warming the earth below.
    And at the midday life seems to say,
    I feel your brightness near me.

    For you are always close to me,
    Following all my ways.
    May I be always close to you,
    Following all your ways Lord.

    I watch the sunset fading away,
    Lighting the clouds and sea.
    And as the evening, closes its eyes,
    I feel your presence near me.

    Yes, you are always close to me
    Following all my ways.
    May I be always close to you,
    Following all your ways Lord.

  114. Beloved says:

    Forever blessed these words come from Song of Solomon 6:3. You can find the complete poem I mentioned by googling:
    16. My beloved is mine, and I am his; He feedeth among the lilies
    By Francis Quarles (1592–1644)

    It’s one of my all-time favorites.

  115. foreverblessed says:

    Yes Jeff, these songs are soothing.
    I would like to tell you about some history in our country.
    It is a long time ago, but we were fighting the Spanish suppressors ( they were catholics), almost 500 years ago.
    The people started to fight when the taxes were raised, the 10℅ the Spanish demanded.
    ( The Spanish came here because the son of the king, Charles the 5th had married a Spanish princess, who became heir of her country when her parents and siblings died, and so her husband became king of Spain. Philip was his name. And he was a devout Catholic man, who had set the goal of keeping his kingdom totally catholic.)

    The vision about that war has been under scrutiny some time now, as some say it was a civil war:
    The south of the Netherlands did not want to fight, they wanted to remain royal to the Catholic church, and that was the case for all the catholicsin the whole of this country.
    I was raised in the Protestant part, but now am living in the south, that remained Catholic.
    I noticed in the years I have lived here that the people here do not consider themselves ” freed” they feel they have lived under suppression by the Protestant government for centuries. Untill the French came under Napoleon and he gave the Catholic s back their rights. And their churches.
    They still consider the war, the 80 year war of the time as atrocities done by the protestants. About the “beeldenstorm”, the storming of the church buildings in order to break all the sculptures of holy people, especially Mary.
    They had different history lessons in the cathlic schools than we had on the protestant schools.
    We were taught about the 2000 martyrs that were killed by the catholic church because of reading the Bible, they were openly burned on the market place in the centre of the cities here in the south. The catholics, or I should say: those who were raised as catholics, know nothing about that.
    Strange, isn’t it? And I am talking about things that happened 500 years ago. And the matter is still not solved.
    Only to say that most have left the faith, catholic or protestant.
    So now we do without God.
    For as much as that is possible, as God is listening to all the prayers, the remaining believers have for their country:
    God have mercy on us

  116. Beloved says:

    Forever I knew nothing of your history until now. Fascinating, thank you. Reminded me of Russia which has also lost its “soul” if you will and turned from God. Here in the US we are plagued by “feel good” religiosity, syncretism, and universalism with Eastern Philosophy thrown in. Does God leave where He is not wanted, I wonder. But even if there is not one righteous man in a city God still has His son Who became our righteousness, unlike some cities in days of old. Makes Jesus’ words “Go tell” so much more compelling in this dark world.

  117. Beloved says:

    Remembering Constantine, emperor of Rome, who issued the Edict of Milan in 312 proclaiming a Christian nation as he attributing his success to the Most High God. Rome seemed to flourish under his rule. But kingdoms come and kingdoms go as time marches on. We have a saying here, ” One nation under God” (our pledge of allegiance) and “In God We Trust” is still imprinted on our money, but I believe its more trust in money than God that prevails.

  118. poohpity says:

    A prayer when weighed down by guilt by Julie Ackerman Link;

    I know(not feel), Lord, that You did not coem to make me strong enough to carry the weight of my sin; You came to carry it for me. Forgive me for not releasing it to You. Forgive me for hiding under the comfort of my guilt when You want me to thrive in the warmth of Your mercy and the light of Your love. Forgive me for thinking that Your sacrifice is good enough to get me into heaven but powerless to make me a better person on this earth. Please change my hatred into love, my contempt into compassion, and my unreasonable expectations into unselfish acts of mercy. May I not be empty-handed when it is my turn to kneel at Your throne and place crowns at Your feet.

  119. poohpity says:

    James wrote;

    “God blesses those who patiently endure testing and temptation. Afterward they will receive the crown of life that God has promised to those who love him. And remember, when you are being tempted, do not say, “God is tempting me.” God is never tempted to do wrong, and he never tempts anyone else. Temptation comes from our own desires, which entice us and drag us away. These desires give birth to sinful actions. And when sin is allowed to grow, it gives birth to death.

    So don’t be misled, my dear brothers and sisters. Whatever is good and perfect is a gift coming down to us from God our Father, who created all the lights in the heavens. He never changes or casts a shifting shadow. He chose to give birth to us by giving us his true word. And we, out of all creation, became his prized possession.

    Understand this, my dear brothers and sisters: You must all be quick to listen, slow to speak, and slow to get angry. Human anger does not produce the righteousness God desires. So get rid of all the filth and evil in your lives, and humbly accept the word God has planted in your hearts, for it has the power to save your souls.

    But don’t just listen to God’s word. You must do what it says. Otherwise, you are only fooling yourselves. For if you listen to the word and don’t obey, it is like glancing at your face in a mirror. You see yourself, walk away, and forget what you look like. But if you look carefully into the perfect law that sets you free, and if you do what it says and don’t forget what you heard, then God will bless you for doing it.

    If you claim to be religious but don’t control your tongue, you are fooling yourself, and your religion is worthless. Pure and genuine religion in the sight of God the Father means caring for orphans and widows in their distress and refusing to let the world corrupt you.”

  120. poohpity says:

    So the “Acts of God” were “For I know the plans I have for you,” says the LORD. “They are plans for good and not for disaster(evil), to give you a future and a hope. God in everything He does seems to be merciful in all His ways. It may not look like it to us sometimes but He sees the bigger picture and future. He may have, in the situations we currently find ourselves, saved us from something for worse.

  121. poohpity says:

    far worse, not for worse.

  122. foreverblessed says:

    Beloved, I looked up the song you mentioned, never heard of it, not of the writer, Quarles! Good to read about him.
    He was also caught in a civil war, under Cromwell, who wanted to do away with the monarchy.

    But the lyrics of the song are beautiful! Like two brooks that become one, that is my beloved and me.
    “I am flachs he is fire”
    That is also thought provoking. Is God cruel, He being fire, and I the flachs? In keeping in line with the topic.
    Or is He merciful and good, refining us, and letting us go out at the other end of tribulation as of gold, a new man in Christ! New and free!

    I listened to the song being sung by a soprano, with guitar, it is an unusual melody, I have to get used to it.
    But as the lyrics are so good, that will be no problem!
    Love you!

  123. Beloved says:

    Forever yes I think of God as a refining fire Who doesn’t destroy but consumes the sin and sets us free to be more like Him. I didn’t know the verse was a song, I’ll look it up. It is beautiful though! Sending my love also!

  124. Beloved says:

    Flax- I think of simple, finite, destructible, vulnerable, altogether sinful.

  125. Beloved says:

    Could acts of nature be agents of God for good, as well as destruction? As was mentioned the other day, heady stuff here.

  126. jeff1 says:

    Forever 8.01 am post
    Beloved 8.26 am post

    Thank you for telling me of your countries history it makes me realize that it is religion that divides and why it is so important to focus on Christ.

    In this modern world younger people are turning away from religions and to some extent it isn’t that strange that they are and makes me think that it may be part of God’s plan. I have a Roman Catholic hairdresser and when I said that our younger people were turning away from our church she shared with me that it was likewise in their church.

    As someone who lived with religion being divisive and also had a mum who was not indoctrinated into a religion I have a balanced view of religions and it seems to me that they have all part truths but not the whole truth and so that may be God’s plan to divide and conquer before He gathers up His children.

    God always turns things around for good and the younger generation have suffered too because of our generation not doing what was right and God is a just God and I know that with all my heart that He cares for the future of the children as he did for us.

    Beloved you wondered does God leave where He is not wanted. Of course He does when I am submitted to God He is with me but He will not stay when I am not submitted.

    God is always there, it is I who leave Him but I don’t believe He stops seeking His children, He cares too much to leave us orphans.

    God will return to His first love as is written and so destined for God will keep His promises.

    Great is Thy faithfulness, O God my Father;
    There is no shadow of turning with Thee;
    Thou changest not, Thy compassions, they fail not;
    As Thou hast been, Thou forever will be.

    Great is Thy faithfulness!
    Great is Thy faithfulness!
    Morning by morning new mercies I see.
    All I have needed Thy hand hath provided;
    Great is Thy faithfulness, Lord, unto me!

    Summer and winter and springtime and harvest,
    Sun, moon and stars in their courses above
    Join with all nature in manifold witness
    To Thy great faithfulness, mercy and love.

    Pardon for sin and a peace that endureth
    Thine own dear presence to cheer and to guide;
    Strength for today and bright hope for tomorrow!
    Blessings all mine, with ten thousand beside!

    Great is Thy faithfulness!
    Great is Thy faithfulness!
    Morning by morning new mercies I see.
    All I have needed Thy hand hath provided;
    Great is Thy faithfulness, Lord, unto me.

  127. poohpity says:

    I do not think God will stay where He is not wanted but just like everything else He knows what is truly in a heart and that a mouth may say they do not want God but God can see into their hearts. If someone has been hurt by someone and blamed God for it, I think that God will not go anywhere because He knows that a person maybe discouraged or disheartened for a moment but being able to see the future knows that one day they will come back to Him and He will be there when they repent(turn back to) and He knows who will and who won’t but never forces Himself on anyone.

  128. poohpity says:

    He can tell who wants Him in their lives by the way they act. Some SAY they to do but do not show it in any area of their lives the desire to follow Him, learn about Him, depend on Him or trust Him. They do things their way and could careless about God even though they say they do but actions speak much louder than words.

  129. poohpity says:

    As a prime example were the religious leaders of Jesus’s time on earth which are the same as they are today. They wanted people to follow them and did not even recognize who Jesus is when He stood right in front of them because they did not know God so of course they did not know Jesus.

  130. poohpity says:

    “But now is the time to get rid of anger, rage, malicious behavior, slander, and dirty language. Don’t lie to each other, for you have stripped off your old sinful nature and all its wicked deeds. Put on your new nature, and be renewed as you learn to know your Creator and become like him. In this new life, it doesn’t matter if you are a Jew or a Gentile, circumcised or uncircumcised, barbaric, uncivilized, slave, or free. Christ is all that matters, and he lives in all of us.

    Since God chose you to be the holy people he loves, you must clothe yourselves with tenderhearted mercy, kindness, humility, gentleness, and patience. Make allowance for each other’s faults, and forgive anyone who offends you. Remember, the Lord forgave you, so you must forgive others. Above all, clothe yourselves with love, which binds us all together in perfect harmony. And let the peace that comes from Christ rule in your hearts. For as members of one body you are called to live in peace. And always be thankful.

    Let the message about Christ, in all its richness, fill your lives. Teach and counsel each other with all the wisdom he gives. Sing psalms and hymns and spiritual songs to God with thankful hearts. And whatever you do or say, do it as a representative of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks through him to God the Father.” Col 3:8-17 NLT

  131. poohpity says:

    That seems to be the “Acts of God” towards others because that is what was done for us. If one ever doubts the “Acts of God” remember what you experienced that day when you realized that your sins were forgiven by a merciful God.

  132. poohpity says:

    It is life changing.

  133. jeff1 says:

    Not so easy when your still struggling with sin though is it or is it just myself that feels so far from God when I am thinking wrong thoughts or my heart is struggling not to hate.

    If its life changing why is the struggle so great and the suffering also difficult to understand as when you see evil triumph what do you do with that do you say it dosen’t matter or do you decide God must have chosen you to be the warrior rather than the peace maker?

    Is there a time in this world as it gets darker to take a stand against evil fight fire with fire and whose side then is God’s side?

  134. poohpity says:

    I feel far from God when I am thinking wrong thoughts and struggling not to hate, too. I think it gets hard because of who I chose to focus on. God never asked us to fight fire with fire rather said, “Do not repay anyone evil for evil. Be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everyone.” also “Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.” or “Don’t repay evil for evil. Don’t retaliate with insults when people insult you. Instead, pay them back with a blessing. That is what God has called you to do, and he will bless you for it.”

  135. poohpity says:

    The battle against the forces of darkness and evil are what God takes care of for us and has given us His armor that we need to stand against those forces.

    A final word: Be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power. 11 Put on all of God’s armor so that you will be able to stand firm against all strategies of the devil. 12 For we are not fighting against flesh-and-blood enemies, but against evil rulers and authorities of the unseen world, against mighty powers in this dark world, and against evil spirits in the heavenly places.

    13 Therefore, put on every piece of God’s armor so you will be able to resist the enemy in the time of evil. Then after the battle you will still be standing firm. 14 Stand your ground, putting on the belt of truth and the body armor of God’s righteousness. 15 For shoes, put on the peace that comes from the Good News so that you will be fully prepared. 16 In addition to all of these, hold up the shield of faith to stop the fiery arrows of the devil. 17 Put on salvation as your helmet, and take the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.

  136. poohpity says:

    None of that is easy it takes help and reliance on God. AND sometimes we fail miserably but then God picks us up dusts us off and we begin again because His mercies never fail.

  137. SFDBWV says:

    I would like first of all to say that there is a very vast difference between “acts of God” and any act of Satan.

    It is certainly accepted belief that the serpent in the Garden refers to Satan. Yet the serpent is reported as being the more subtle of any beast of the field which the Lord God had made, Genesis 3:1 KJV, and upon the serpents curse God says “Because thou hast done this thou art cursed above all cattle and above every beast of the field; upon thou belly thou shat go and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life.” Genesis 3:14 KJV.

    Look also at Isaiah 65:25 KJV and you read after God makes all things new, still the serpents, meat is dust.

    Staying in Isaiah we come to Isaiah 14:29 KJV whereby we see that out of the serpents root will come a “cockatrice” or Adder and its root shall be a fiery flying serpent (saraph). Again in Isaiah 27:1 KJV we see the serpent addressed as Leviathan as God destroys the “dragon” that is in the sea.

    Then in Revelation 12:9 KJV we finally see a direct reference to the serpent/dragon being the Devil/Satan who deceived the whole world.

    IN all I have read so far the Devil/Satan’s only ability to act is by deceiving…Then you get back to that troublesome Book of Job.

    Job 1:12 KJV “all that he has in in thy power”. So then all of the terrible evils are poured out on Job, the loss of all his livestock and servants through theft and “the fire of God” and even a “great wind” followed by his being covered with boils from head to foot. Only after God says “Behold he is in thine hand.” Job 2:6 KJV

    So the question remains was the “fire of God” that fell upon Job’s livestock and servants and the “great wind” that destroyed his children under the control of Satan? Was Satan able to speak to the wind and it obey him? Was the fire of God also under his orders? Or was these evils only obedient to God as directed or given to Satan to use?

    Was this a one of a kind event? Where in Scripture will you find any other reference that Satan has any power to act other than to deceive?

    Once God ask of His “angels” if there was anyone who would go and lie to the king for Him. A lying spirit went in obedience to God in order to deceive the king about an upcoming battle and who would win. 1 Kings 22:19-23

    An act of God, not Satan.

    So are we left to believe that ill wind, misfortune calamity, disasters of any kind even sickness and death are an act of Satan? Or that these things are just part of life on earth?

    To accredit Satan with the acts of God is insulting to God…Jesus tells us to turn the other cheek when insulted by another.

    In my opinion Satan has no power other than that which God allows, including deceiving people.


  138. poohpity says:

    One can attribute a lot to Satan but many many things are the fault of mankind and their sin. So it aint all the devil it is the choices that we the people have made even after being warned over and over again what the results of such decisions will be but people do them anyway.

  139. foreverblessed says:

    A lot of thinking, deep thinking, I know not what to think about that.

    But this weeks Psalm in the Great Church is Psalm 145
    The Lord is gracious and compassionate,
    slow to anger and rich in love.
    The Lord is good to all,
    He has compassion on all He has made
    v 8-9

    If that isn’t a good God?!

    But then the climax to me comes in the next verse, Ps 145:10

    All You have made will praise You

    Now is that a prophecy or not? And what a prophecy?
    If it literally means what it says, it seems too good to be true!
    In that case, does it say that everybody will eventually come to repentance, after eons and eons in a place not to be mentioned, and come to praise God for their salvation?

    It is my hope that that is so.

    His greatness no-one can fathom (verse 3)

    And then the Psalm ends:
    My mouth will speak in praise of the Lord.
    Let every creature praise His holy name
    for ever and ever.

    As if to say, yes all of them, praise Him

  140. poohpity says:

    You know the bottom line is because of our free will we have a choice who we will listen to. We can follow the deceit and lies of the devil, the world and the flesh or we can listen and follow God’s ways. It is our choice.

  141. foreverblessed says:

    Anyway, it is a hope that I have, maybe I am wrong, and God cannot save all.
    As verse 20 says:
    the Lord watches over all who love Him,
    but all the wicked He will destroy.

    I hope that means: all the wickedness in us He will destroy.

  142. foreverblessed says:

    Let’s pray for all who are deceived, that God’s Light may shine in them, and may open their eyes!

    2 Cor4:4-6

  143. poohpity says:

    But how can they call on him to save them unless they believe in him? And how can they believe in him if they have never heard about him? And how can they hear about him unless someone tells them? Romans 10:14 NLT

    That sure does give us something to do; to tell about the saving grace of our Lord and Savior so that all will be saved. BUT there will be those who make a choice not to believe and in the end they we go to be with the one against God. God does not want that to happen but He never force anyone.

  144. poohpity says:

    Should we leave that to someone else or be ready everyday to share the Good News?

  145. foreverblessed says:

    Years ago I got the bible verse speaking to me:
    Plow the ground.
    It is a verse somewhere in the minor prophets.
    I did not understand what God was saying to me, and I asked Him.
    When the ground, the soil, is hard, it is no use to put seeds there.

    The soil must be made loose first.

    The parable of the seeds is also a message for the Kingdom workers: no use sowing on hard soil. Soften the soil first!

    By love the hearts are softened.

  146. foreverblessed says:

    A good example of plowing the ground is the christian friend of a muslim student, Nabeel Qureshi, who died last week.

    Last week Steve mentioned Christianity Today, and I had a look there, as there was not much going on on Beenthinking.

    And I found the witness of Nabeel Qureshi.

    -Testimony: Christ called me of the minaret

    “Every day I recited countless prayers in Arabic, thanking Allah for another day upon waking, invoking his name before falling asleep.

    But it is one thing to be steeped in remembrance, and it is quite another to bear witness. My grandfather and great-grandfather were Muslim missionaries, spending their lives preaching Islam to unbelievers in Indonesia and Uganda. My genes carried their zeal. By middle school, I had learned how to challenge Christians, whose theology I could break down just by asking questions. Focusing on the identity of Jesus, I would ask, “Jesus worshiped God, so why do you worship Jesus?” or, “Jesus said, ‘the Father is greater than I.’ How could he be God?” If I really wanted to throw Christians for a loop, I would ask them to explain the Trinity. They usually responded, “It’s a mystery.” In my heart I mocked their ignorance, saying, “The only mystery here is how you could believe in something as ridiculous as Christianity.”

    So this message to me is this: christians get easily unsettled, they do not stay in the rest in Christ, as Christ is telling us: “Come to Me” that we would turn unsettling questions to Him, and sit at His feet, and stay calm, and listen to what He answers us.

    Until this man meets a student, who indeed remains calm and loving. Just answering questions without getting irritated.

    It is by the never ending love and peace that this christian student showed this muslim man. That is the way he was touched in his heart, and finally was touched by the message of Jesus.

    It is this example that is showing me, that there is still some suffering to do: The christians student must have felt discouragement, must have felt irritation, but he brought it to the Cross, and came back, refilled with the SPirit of Peac, and Love, the Spirit of God.

    The suffering is this, (or part of the suffering): we take up every blow against Christianity, and swallow it thorugh the cross, and the attacking person is seeing the reaction, and is touched by the quality of it, it is a supernatural reaction, as it is energised by Jesus Himself:

    The second Adam cam as a Lifegiving Spirit.

    That is the message we have to let sink in: Jesus is the One who fills us with His Spirit, we are not alone, He fills us.

  147. foreverblessed says:

    His christian friend told him, after Nabeel had accepted christianity: Now that you have scrutinsed christianity, ask the same critical question about your native faith.
    And that is what he did, and started to read beyond what his parents, and his own culture had taught him about the founding father of his faith.
    He was stunned what he found.
    Talking about being deceived…
    it is very very hard to tell the Gospel to a ceceived person. The mind is blinded, and I know, as I was one of them. It is the unrelented love of some that changes your views, not the attacks on your own belief. Or the right in our face: this is how it is, the truth of the bible.

    The love shown, the walking with you together.
    And what I believe, the praying for that person.

    Prayer is sooo important, nothing is done without first praying, and fasting, fasting meaning the giving up of any claim on the self life.
    But expect Jesus to care for you, so that all your prayers can go for the fellow mankind.

  148. foreverblessed says:

    Scrutinised christianity..

  149. SFDBWV says:

    Good morning Foreverblessed and thank you for your eloquent postings this morning.

    I was about to retire to the living room to read the paper and set with Matt when that still small voice told me to look in and see if you or Viv were posting.

    I am glad I did.

    Yes there is a great more to learn about God and none of us can learn anything when we close our minds or try and put God in a box. We must bow in reverence to Him and have that peace that surpasses understanding which He readily offers.

    I pray you have peace all day.


  150. poohpity says:

    I have longed listen to Ravi Zacharias since I became a follower of Christ and found apologetics(defending the truth) fascinating and Nabeel had that ability too. I watched Nabeel debate several Imams during his time with RZIM. It really takes an understanding of one’s faith to be able to share it with others. Sadly many do not have any relationships with non-believers, most stay huddled up within their church community to realize that God brings into our paths someone everyday that He has prepared their heart to hear the Gospel but sadly not many knows how to share the Gospel even when the opportunity is presented.

  151. poohpity says:

    But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect (1 Peter 3:15 NIV)

    Sadly many do not have any hope in Christ even those who claim to be Christians because they are to busy blaming God for all the things that go wrong in this world. How can one share what they do not have?

  152. Beloved says:

    Jesus said to pray for workers in His harvest, putting our sadness to work also!

  153. poohpity says:

    I do not know why 1 Peter 3:15 NIV is coming up as it is above??

  154. Beloved says:

    If you suffer with bipolar read this:http//www.desiringgod.org/articles/my-name-is-beloved

  155. Beloved says:

    Of course any and all types of afflictions apply. Especially those who are trying to find Gods love in a weary land.

  156. Beloved says:

    Foreverblessed I also read his wife’s testimony on line and what God taught her about Himself through the ordeal. My heart aches for her.

    I was reading James this afternoon and read this

  157. Beloved says:

    Sorry. This, 19 My brothers, if anyone among you wanders from the truth and someone brings him back, 20 let him know that whoever brings back a sinner from his wandering will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins.

    There does seem to be a certain amount of responsibility we are given to preach the truth to one another along with unbelievers as poohpity pointed out.

    I’m very sad today as someone I’ve been ministering to for about 5 years through love and the Word of Truth is slipping further and further away. God has used unusual extremes to keep her from falling, and it’s getting suddenly worse. I’ve never seen such grace poured out, except toward me. There is a dangerous slide with no return happening so prayer is whats left now that she has closed me out of her life and refuses anything to do with the church or Bible study groups. Bless God I praise Him for His faithfulness even when we aren’t, yet I do not believe there is a universal salvation for all. It seems like the authors of the Bible went to a lot of time and trouble to teach if it was that simple, that God can love people into the Kingdom alone.
    Anyway, I may have misunderstood, quite possibly, so wait to hear from you.

  158. foreverblessed says:

    Thank you Beloved, for your comment, and for saying, I will be hearing from you.

    That is a nice thing to hear, someone is waiting to hear from me.

    It reminds me of the the Song of Songs 8:13, where Jesus says to us:

    “You who dwell in the gardens with friends in attendance,


    And I envision God this morning, waiting to hear from me too! And waiting from what we have discussed together, and then presenting it to God: Here is the friend of Beloved, the one who is falling away, please with her, do not let Your eyes off from her. Do not let go the works of Your Hands! In the name of Jesus we pray!

    You may seem to think that I said, that only love is enough, I tried to say, that the first thing that is needed is love, after that a whole lot of things are needed, that’w why we are the Body of Christ.

    And before anything else, there is the Prayer and fasting. Like I was thinking about Nabeel, there must have been a whole lot of prayer for him, and then I see prayer warriors, our prayers helping in the spirit realm fighting with the deceiving spirits that held him captive. That did not want to let him go. That must be done first!And then there was that fellow student, a christian, who showed him love. And answered his questions, as pooh showed in 1 Peter 3:15 NIV … but do this with gentleness and respect (we can learn to do that overhere on this site, discussing with each other)
    We are involved, the Body of Christ,…the teaching, and all the gifts of the Holy Spirit. 1 Cor 12:1-30

    It is God who wants to be connected to us: Jesus the Head, and we the Body. His body. A spiritual Body of believers, and there we grow together. But all attached to Him. The Lifegiving Spirit, the second Adam.

  159. foreverblessed says:

    Thank you Steve, for your kinds words! That was a real encouragement, but the story of Nabeel was such an encouragement. And the courage he had to chose for Christ, will losing his family! He cose anyway!

    (You mentioned about the date of September 23, my husband talked about it too, someone is saying that September 23 is THE date! I was a bit amazed that the choice was on the 23rd, as on the 22nd it was the feast of Trumpets, Lev 23:24, I would not imagine God chosing a date just one day after! But I read the date was chosen because of the arrangement of the moon and a constellation, making a sign. Oh, well, I really like what Christianity Today had to say about it)

    And then something that happened after I posted about Psalm 145 yesterday:
    I was reading about God destroying the wicked, Psalm 145:20

    then my eye fell on a bible verse, only part of it:
    I did not come to destroy…..

    I felt that as an intervention from God Himself. It was a commentary about Matt 5:17 KJV
    As if God was saying something to me:
    My goal is not to destroy, but to come to the point where I can save people: When God has His fury wrath going over the earth it to redeem it from their wickedness, so that they would come to their senses, and turn to God and be saved.

    Jeremiah 30:23-24
    “See the storm of the Lord will burst out in wrath,

    a driving wind swirling down on the heads of the wicked.

    The fierce anger of the Lord will not turn back until He fully accomplishes the purposes of His heart.

    In days to come you will understand this”

  160. foreverblessed says:

    And good morning Jeff, I would love to hear from you!
    And I pray for your country, that the there will be healing of wounded souls. That there will be freedom from hatred.
    That the real chrisianity will be strenthened in people’s heart.
    Christ was saying that the gates of hell are not able to destroy the real Church. And on that promise I stand, especially for Ireland now!

  161. SFDBWV says:

    Good morning Foreverblessed, I got a good laugh on September 24th when the fellow who had predicted the end would come the 23rd was quoted as saying he wasn’t wrong it was just postponed.

    You are right, encouragement is what we as Christians should be engaged in with each other instead of trying to see who has more Bible knowledge than another.

    One is uplifting the other confrontational.

    Once again praying you and all of those you love have a very blessed day.


  162. Beloved says:

    Thank you foreverblessed for responding. I tend toward either-or thinking when it comes to the Gospel, but if I am wrong the LORD will correct me. Thank you for praying for my friend also.

    Steve you bring up confrontation. God had to teach me to care enough to confront bad behavior in other believers which was so hard to do because I cared more for myself than I did for the Gospel and Jesus in particular. I wanted to be liked and loved more than being obedient to God. It is a lonely journey sometimes which is why I value the church and fellowship so much, where I can get comfort when needed along with encouragement and correction. There is a good balance within the Body. The goal is always lifting up toward Holiness.

    Jeff1 I pray all is well with you also, as with Poohpity and others who may read. Thank you Mart for providing this forum in Jesus name.

  163. poohpity says:

    Steve, what a sad way to think that someone gains bible knowledge to tout they know more than another rather than they want to grow in their understanding of God. Gee then why do we have preachers, teachers, scholars and where do we get their information from if not from the bible? Which is our only weapon against the lies and deceit of Satan and the world(Col 2:8 NLT) because then people will believe everything they hear(i.e. the date of the end of the world) and be unable to identify the truth unless they know the truth. Eph 6:17; Hebrews 4:12, 6:5; John 8:31-32

  164. Beloved says:

    Steve laughing about your comment about Bible knowledge! I was told in Bible study this week that some of the group like to do Bible study more than others. So true and I have to learn to tone things down a bit so as not to offend those not so inclined. It’s always a balancing act in the Body. If someone is offended by me best to be quiet and let God do His work His way. Thank you Steve for your comment it’s in agreement with what the holy Spirit is telling me this week.

  165. Beloved says:

    I just learned yesterday from a teaching on line that the first sign of morality is proper etiquette! Wow! Still learning, very cool.

  166. poohpity says:

    I also hope all is well with Viv, Chris, Bruce, Michael, Maru, saled, Marma and street. I have not even seen some of you guys on facebook lately since the fires and hurricanes. Forgive me if I did not mention the names of others since we can all learn from each other in some form or another.

  167. poohpity says:

    I will never forget the glow on my mom’s face as she came out of her room after reading the bible and praying every morning and I wanted that. Then since it is such a big book only the Lord can put the desire to learn about Him in the heart of those He has called or the book often just gets put on a self even after those who came before us gave up their lives to get that book into the hands of all God’s people and the many translators who still give up their lives to understand different people’s languages so the bible can be available in every language. Tell them knowing God through His word is to show off, lol.

    That kind of thinking only comes from those who have yet to experience the bible and it’s help in our relationship with God.

  168. Beloved says:

    Exactly which is why prayer for blind eyes to be opened is so important poohpity. Only God can open them, I can’t.

  169. poohpity says:

    Beloved who ever said you could? People who read the bible depend on God to open eyes, ears and heart to receive it, that is exactly what they learn in the bible.

    Any one who reads God’s word seems excited to share what it says and people who go to church seem excited to share what they learn, anyone who knows Christ seems excited to share. People usually do not share something they are not excited about.

  170. Beloved says:

    Not always, I had a pastor once, seminar degree even that loved to share the Bible but didn’t become born again until he was dieing of cancer.

  171. Beloved says:

    No one ever said I could open blind eyes. I once thought I could though.

  172. poohpity says:

    I bet his preaching showed that. There are many who say Lord, Lord but do not know Christ but if they preach God’s word then they are not against God. Luke 9:49-50 NIV

  173. Beloved says:

    Mart calls it “confusion and self deception”.

  174. poohpity says:

    I know it is the Lord that does those things, it is the Lord who draws people to Himself but He has given us the privilege to share His word so people will hear but it is God who draws them to Himself and changes hearts, minds and souls but that should never stop us from being excited to share His word.

  175. Beloved says:

    But of course we know who the author of confusion is.

  176. poohpity says:

    Even when people falsely accuse of us of having ulterior motives.

  177. Beloved says:

    I’ve been thinking about the many different ways there are today to share God’s Word. We live in a time of an abundance of communication devices, awesome isn’t it!

  178. poohpity says:

    It is not Mart but Jesus who said beware of people who are wolves dressed in sheep’s clothing but how do you know if it is false teaching unless you know the teaching of God? Many come dressed as an angel of light but if they lead you away from God and His word they are against the Lord.

  179. SFDBWV says:

    Many years ago now, while my first wife was alive and young she was friends with a woman whose husband she considered to be an a-hole.

    He was indeed a very difficult man to like. A little man with a big attitude and would argue with you about whether or not the sun was up at noon.

    At the apex of his angry nasty life while driving through town he passed out and crashed into the front of a store building. Not really injured from the accident the more disturbing news for him was that he had had a heart attack and that was the cause of his passing out.

    The subsequent awakening to him, after he about died, brought him to the point of accepting the Lord and he began to attend church with the same headstrong determination he exercised as just being himself.

    My wife Rita’s assessment of his conversion was that before his conversion he was an a-hole and now that he had religion he was a religious a-hole.

    She was right.

    He soon became a Sunday school teacher and just as soon started to try and run the church. Of course being a source of confrontation on every level he divided the church as well as simply ran people away.

    When he could no longer sway power and get his way, “God told” him it was time to leave a fractured wounded assembly and move on to a different place of worship.

    Confrontation stemming from who is more “right” than another is no act of God nor any action of Jesus Christ. Also it can’t be blamed on the devil, it is simply an act of the flesh.

    Have a nice day.


  180. Beloved says:

    Spoke with missionaries from our church to Bangladesh who are in their 70s and they are at a loss as to how to communicate now that almost everyone has an iPhone, even the poorest and only use short sentences to talk. Their son is also there so are trusting God will use a different way to communicate the Gospel than they are used to doing. In each generation God provides the “sent ones” with whatever they need.

  181. Beloved says:

    Steve I know that people-especially those converted as adults- don’t change overnight but hopefully this man spent a few years in the desert like so many in the Bible did so his rough edges could get sanded off.

  182. Beloved says:

    I hope the congregation was able to heal after he left also. Agree the flesh is annoyingly in the way too often for me! It’s a daily struggle I have to deal with. Sometimes I put myself out in the sandbox to think and pray and listen to God,it’s not such a bad place to be, and saves others from a lot of grief too.

  183. Beloved says:

    Have a blessed day Steve.

  184. Beloved says:

    “Confusion and deception” quote from the Marts writing above.

  185. poohpity says:

    The bible is the testimonies of those who have walked with God and examples of those who have not. They have shared their experiences to help us identify through the Holy Spirit whether we are following God or man or the devil but also so we can make a choice of who we learn from and whether what they teach is to direct us to God or to themselves. But no one would know the difference if they do not know God or His word. Just as there were many false teachers in the first century there are more people now so there will be more false teachers and people who want others to follow them rather than guiding others to following the Lord.

    To me it is more my business to keep on eye on whether I am following the Lord than it is whether others are because God can tell the difference better than I ever could. There is always the possibility that I would tear another up thinking my assessment or judgment of them is right when I can not see into their hearts so I can not have the full picture of who they follow although in some cases it is evident by their teaching and those are the one’s I make a choice not to listen or learn from.

  186. poohpity says:

    But to judge who has their heart only God can do that.

  187. poohpity says:

    The most important thing I have learned from God and His word is that He wants to have a relationship with me/us. He does not expect me/us to be something I/we are not and during that relationship of walking with Him the great love showered on me/us will come overflowing towards others. Whomever one is close to they begin to look like. It is a process over time until it is completed and it is God who does the work within us.

  188. Beloved says:


    I think God expects us to be Holy as as He is holy. We come to Him just as we are, but He changes us as long as we are submitted to Him. If there is no change then we may be deceiving ourselves. There is no in-between, chose you this day who you will serve, the prophet said, comes to mind.

    Thinking about free will, is it really free will if there are only two choices? And that we MUST choose. Athiests even make a choice.
    Just thinking.

  189. Beloved says:

    On the other hand, we do escape God’s wrath when Jesus is standing in our place at the judgement seat. Believe!

  190. jeff1 says:

    Thinking how God finds away to bring His children to Himself.

    My mum had no religion and I believe it was better for her because she had no bias towards a person being one religion or another and since religion divided our country that meant she was not indoctrinated and so her choice was by looking at peoples actions and not their religion.

    I was not taught at home to hate and yet being brought up a Protestant was the cause of me hating because I took sides and my dad was right when he said God doesn’t do sides he does what is right.

    In hindsight I know how I deceived myself because I wanted God to take sides and as far as I could see I was on the side of law and order.

    Then what happened those who were on the side of law and order were not behaving as they should have been and so it was no longer black and white as there where grey areas and now I could no longer trust anyone which meant my dad was right because by being submitted to God he was righteous in himself and doing God’s will while I have been running around confused and taking refuge because I have no idea what God’s will is for me.

    Once you deceive yourself you only feel safe taking refuge in Christ as you can not trust yourself to be submitted to God not consistently like my dad was but my dad was stable of mind, very stable of mind, and to my way of thinking it was that stability that kept my father right with God while it is my instability that makes me wander and get lost from God.

  191. poohpity says:

    When one comes to believe they are then holy(set apart) by God, for God. Jesus makes us right with God.

    “We are made right with God by placing our faith in Jesus Christ. And this is true for everyone who believes, no matter who we are.

    23 For everyone has sinned; we all fall short of God’s glorious standard. 24 Yet God, in his grace, freely makes us right in his sight. He did this through Christ Jesus when he freed us from the penalty for our sins. 25 For God presented Jesus as the sacrifice for sin. People are made right with God when they believe that Jesus sacrificed his life, shedding his blood. This sacrifice shows that God was being fair when he held back and did not punish those who sinned in times past, 26 for he was looking ahead and including them in what he would do in this present time. God did this to demonstrate his righteousness, for he himself is fair and just, and he makes sinners right in his sight when they believe in Jesus.”

  192. phpatato says:

    Steve in response to what you wrote this morning, I was sent this a couple of years ago in an email and saved it to my computer. I read it and say it every now and then. It’s funny how, with each passing year, I realize that I should be praying this more and more. Is it because I grow older that I can see myself with more clarity?


    Dear Lord,

    You know better than I know myself that I am growing older and will someday be old. Keep me from the fatal habit of thinking I must say something on every subject and on every occasion. Release me from the craving to straighten out everybody’s affairs. Make me thoughtful, but not moody. Helpful, but not bossy. With my vast store of wisdom, it seems a pity not to use it all, but You know, Lord, I want a few friends at the end.

    Keep my mind free from the endless recital of details; give me wings to get to the point. Seal my lips on my aches and pains. They are increasing, and love of rehearsing them is becoming sweeter as the years go by. I dare not ask for grace enough to enjoy the tales of others’ pains, but help me to endure them with patience.

    I dare not ask for improved memory, but for a growing humility and a lessening cocksureness when my memory seems to clash with the memories of others. Teach me the glorious lesson that occasionally, I may be mistaken.

    Keep me reasonably sweet. I do not want to be a saint – some of them are so hard to live with. But a sour old person is one of the crowning works of the devil. Give me the ability to see good things in unexpected places, and talents in unexpected people. And give me, Lord, the grace to tell them so.


    If we all got up every morning and repeated this, this world would begin to be a better place. And so, let it begin with me.

    Hope you enjoy it.


  193. SFDBWV says:

    Good morning Pat, what a marvelous eloquent comment and prayer.

    You and I have always seen the same sunrise and know east from west.

    Will only add these two thoughts to the matter, quoting one of the Greek philosophers, “A wise man speaks when he has something to say, a fool when he has to say something.”

    And finally quoting Jesus of Nazareth “Cast not your pearls before the swine.”

    Meaning of course a dumb animal can’t appreciate the beauty of nor the effort it took to create the “gem”.

    Blessing to you and all here all day.


  194. foreverblessed says:

    Thank you so much Pat, I really do appreciate it!
    I will write it down in my diary!

    About 10 years ago I met an old lady in the old peoples home in my town. We had an art show in the house, and we invited the inhabitants to tell about their own set. And there she came, with her drawings! She read the newspapers, and pictures that were interesting to her she would draw. She invited me to her room, and it looked like a student’s room! This was the room of a young person at heart! She was a nun, who had been a schoolteacher in the Caribbean, a d in Africa.

    She was interested in other people, and listened to their stories.
    Years later I found out that she had excruciating pain, all day long, because of reumatism! I looked at her in amazement, how come you don’t talk about that?!
    She said she received the grace to live with it.
    There is a Christian community in the house, with a Chapel. Two times a day they have a service there, praising God, and singing songs. I was thinking too: the communian with God Himself keeps us young at heart! The believing people there seemed to be more lively in their minds than the “lay” people. I am not sure, but the ones with positive faith seemed to do better!

    Because of that lady I was intrigued to that old people’s home, and I was asked to be a volunteer!

    While we are young we can learn to know God better, be in communion with Him, telling our ailments to Him, and learning to hear His answer, it is a disciplinary thing, as God does not shout harder than the worldly reality!
    Before our old day comes, and one disaster to another comes to our failing bodies!

    Remember your Creator, in the days of your youth, before the days of trouble come
    And the years approach when you will say, “I found no pleasure in them”
    Ecclesiastes 12:1-7

  195. foreverblessed says:

    Before reading Pat’s comment I had on my mind to thank Steve for his blessing! For two days in a row he said a blessing, not only to me (us) but also for the ones we love. All through the day I was thinking, who are the ones I love? And a search to God came: God, give me love for more people!
    People I already know, that should get me special attention!
    The Holy Spirit is searching our minds, and the ones that are there we love, the Holy Spirit can bless!
    Romans 8:27
    I believe that is a Law of the Kingdom, in love the Spirit works. Without love nothing happens
    1 Cor 13:3b if I have no love I gain nothing.

    Lord give me more love!

  196. SFDBWV says:

    Good morning Foreverblessed, I was about to retire to the living room to settle down with some coffee and this morning’s newspaper and chanced upon your comment.

    Yes my friend life is always appreciated and when we share it as in your experience with this nun, it is one of those stories that has resonance with many of us.

    We endure life and while its hours and minutes pass by the best thing we can always do is to make the journey more pleasant for those around us, at any cost to ourselves, thinking more of the suffering of another.

    Thank you for your thoughts and praying your day is a good one.


  197. jeff1 says:

    As Jesus sacrificed Himself for us then we are to sacrifice ourselves for others be it friend or foe. Those people whose faith I have leaned on over the years have been those whose faith truly amazed me and they have been very much old school i.e eighties to nineties and the more difficult their struggles the more steadfast their faith. I don’t believe our faith is tested today as in the past because times where hard then and I know of amazing strength through hardship from others which does encourage my faltering faith when I realize that my struggles have been minimalist in comparison.

    God puts people in my pathway that’s faith inspires and encourages me so that in my darker days I can reflect and imitate those gone before me whose faith has stood the test of time and endurance.

  198. poohpity says:

    Mart talked about blaming God in regards to things like earthquakes, hurricanes, etc. but I guess it bothers people to look at the acts that show His great love for us through the Acts of Jesus when he said, “The eyes of the audience stare, shut, and turn away— in shock and disbelief of the ultimate Act, Glory, and Goodness of God.” Maybe those things we ought to keep to ourselves and not share but if we do keep quiet someone/something else will tell His story. Luke 19:39-40 NLT

    Viv, I also am amazed and inspired by the faith of others through difficulties, struggles and hardships that do not come through them with bitter, hardened hearts towards God. Since faith is also a gift of God I did not know when asking God to increase my faith that often the circumstance would be those that the only person who could remedy the situation would be God. You are right in the western culture our faith doesn’t grow that often because we have become self reliant rather than God reliant. I can do it myself, or pull myself up by the bootstraps or asking for help is seen as weakness not because there is a real need which takes strength and humility to ask for help or depending on the faith of other people while our own goes into bankruptcy.

  199. poohpity says:

    I can not tell you how many times I have cried out “I believe help my unbelief”.

  200. jeff1 says:

    Thinking if God had not brought such people into my life then I do not believe my personal faith was strong enough to carry me through the difficulties in life. The one truth I have been aware of is that I did not have the strength of faith my dad had and it came naturally to him while mine is always a struggle and I envy those who do not struggle because truthfully I see struggle as weakness and it happens to be what I hate in myself and others while the people I like to be around are those whose faith is as natural as breathing to them because it rubs of on me while being around people like myself can be disheartening.

    I never could understand how other peoples lack of acting out their faith did not disturb my dad’s personal faith because it did mine but then that just proves how immature I am in comparison to how mature he was.

  201. poohpity says:

    I think that is why we are taught not to compare ourselves with others because sometimes it can make us feel so bad about ourselves and then other times it can make us feel superior to others. If we believe that our faith comes from God He will give us enough faith according to our needs and for me I am very needy of it but that does not mean there are not those times when I doubt but I just tell God about it and then He says, “I am sufficient for you”. 2 Cor 12:9-10 NLT

  202. poohpity says:

    It seems like all the problems we see about our relationship with God someone else also has gone through them and we can share and support each other through them.

  203. Beloved says:

    Seedbed Daily Text has a very good study on Phil. 2:4-6 I just finished listening to online. (Speaking of comparing…)

  204. poohpity says:

    Beloved, don’t you think looking at the interest of others is different that comparing ourselves to others? One seems to be filled with compassion and empathy(interest of others) the other seems to be more about ego(comparing ourselves to others).

  205. Beloved says:

    I think that dying to self, (ego), is very hard and requires a daily kneeling at the cross to overcome. I forget unless God reminds me. His faithfulness is as amazing as His grace is overflowing to me and all others.

  206. Beloved says:

    Confusion and self-deception combine to obscure the Story of how one man reverses the legacy of the first (1Cor 15:45Open in Logos Bible Software (if available); Romans 5). Jesus is accused of acting mercifully by the power of Beelzebub (Matt 12:24Open in Logos Bible Software (if available)).

    Mistrust comes to mind, mistrust of myself And the goodness of God often leads me to mistrust the goodness God has placed in others, as I am being blinded by the lie Satan tells me. Listen to Me, Jesus says, and I will give you hope and a NEW way of understanding my love.

  207. poohpity says:

    Yes I agree that everything that the Lord asks us to do is hard especially when we are trying to do it ourselves(in the flesh) rather than depending on the help of the Spirit, in fact it is impossible and is very short lived or doesn’t last long. It seems at the time one starts taking credit or boasting about something the Spirit does it all goes down hill again because pride has reared it’s ugly head again.

    When the Spirit changes us it is like waking up one morning and that desire, thinking or behavior is just gone.

  208. poohpity says:

    Eph 4:14 NLT

  209. SFDBWV says:

    Good morning friends, I write late because, well, I was just tired this morning after getting my usual 4 to 5 hours of broken sleep. By broken I mean I am awaken at the least every hour, and the last hour every several minutes.

    But I am not complaining just explaining why I was tired.

    Thinking still of our subject and not any thread of conversation, I am at a place where perhaps a summation is in order from me as to where my “thoughts” are concerning the “acts of God”.

    I will start with Psalms 139:6-13 KJV here I see that there is no place in all of heaven nor hell nor of the earth that God isn’t present.

    I mentioned earlier some of the song “The Wreck of the Edmond Fitzgerald” where in it asks “Does anyone know where the love of God goes when the waves turn the minutes to hours?”

    Here in this Psalm we see that God is everywhere and wherever God is His love is there also.

    So then one might ask why God would allow this ship and its crew to go down to the sea.

    The matter reminds me of the story of Jonah, whereby the crew tossed Jonah into the sea because God had caused a storm and put the ship in peril. Jonah 1:4 KJV through Jonah 1:15 KJV.

    Incredibly as soon as Jonah is in the water, the sea ceased from its “raging”; the crew feared the Lord, made sacrifice and vows…Apparently they became believers.

    Of course the story of Jonah has huge comparisons to our Savior as well as to salvation, but the point is that it was God who caused the storm and God who calmed the sea, here and again in the NT.

    Once again I refer to Ecclesiastes 3: KJV “He (God) has made everything beautiful in His time: also He has set the world in their (mankind) heart, so that no man can find out the work that God makes from the beginning to the end.”

    Ecclesiastes 12:13 KJV “Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep His commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.”

    Satan has no place in comparing acts of God and any action of Satan. Each one of us has power over Satan as his only acts are those of producing confusion and doubt in our hearts.

    In Revelation we read of islands sinking beneath the sea, mountains crumbling into the plains, disasters of nature and from the heavens so horrific that 1/3 of all life is extinguished in the earth. These are without doubt “acts of God”.

    Right now though we live in an age of grace. God may or may not cause a hurricane, tornadoes and floods to destroy towns and houses and even the deaths of those affected, but He is God and we are not. We can use common sense and not place ourselves in a place of peril, we might even recite the Lord’s Prayer whereby we ask God to deliver us from “evil”.

    However there remains a season for everything and unless the rapture calls us up first, we will all someday die. That also being an act of God because of the act of one man’s disobedience.

    God remains the ultimate power and not subject to our approval of how He wields such power or even our understanding it.

    I am starting to ramble, so it is time to go…

    It made it to 28 degrees this morning even with a thick blanket of fog prior to sun up.


  210. jeff1 says:

    I think it seems at times to me like God is not in control because of my limited view and I think God is lost when it is I who is fretting because I do not understand how God will rightify the problem. l loose sight of God just like Peter did when walking on water.

    There is discipline required and some are better at it then others and I believe it takes stability of the mind as I know that my instability causes my head to be disturbed and confusion follows causing my distress.

    It is anger with myself for not focusing on Christ and knowing that I keep messing up because of this truth. I often feel so out of control of my own life that is how I perceive God is.

    God does work both mysteriously and knowingly and I have to learn to trust His judgement in my life or others as He is the better judge in whatever my circumstances and when I am trusting that His ways have our best interests at heart then I should be undisturbed whatever my circumstances.

  211. foreverblessed says:

    Last week I was really impressed by the testimony of Nabeel Qureshi. Yesterday at church I talked to a young man from Iran, he was always really encouraged by the preaching of Nabeel, as he himself was an ex-muslim. For muslims it is a real great decision to chose for Jesus. They know that their former life ends there.

    In the spiritual sense it also is the norm for anybody who chooses for Christ: The end of the old self-life. It was already lost, and going obsolete, but in the physical realm everything seems OK.

    Nabeel was extremely sad, and in great distress when he realised he would lose his family when he would become a christian.

    Blessed are those that mourn Matthew 5:

    And that verse hit him right in the heart, and he was strengthened.

    He read on in Matthew and was even more encouraged by the words of Jesus:

    “Anyone who loves his father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me” Matthew 10:37

    And to me this morning, when I was reading: verse 39

    Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoeverloses his lofe for My sake will find it!

    The enemy might whisper in our ears: What a cruel God, who wants you to lose your life.

    While it is a petty old life, going on its way to be lost, it is a life, if we would see the spiritual reality, there is no hope.

    But in Christ we get new life, a Spiritual Life.

    Th e bible verse Mart gave above: The last Adam bedame a lifegiving Spirit 1 Cor 15:45

  212. foreverblessed says:

    “As Jesus sacrificed Himself for us then we are to sacrifice ourselves for others be it friend or foe.”
    Jeff wrote this September 30, 8.22 am
    We lose our life, we give it to Jesus, and He can use it as He seems fit.
    It took a long time for me to get to the depth of this meaning, for a long time I was asking God to help me, to heal m e, to do this for me and do that for me.
    It is growing in trust in Jesus, that He is in control in my life, idea-ally it is this: I do not need to ask anymore, I know deep inside now that Jesus IS looking after me, everything that happens to me, is His arrangement, anything be it bad or good, if it is bad, Jesus changes is for good. So now I can take up my time, and ask a blessing for others, I can pray for others. And be a blessing to others, as Jesus Spirit fills me, and overflows through me, and touches others, (that is the goal I have.)
    I was really touched last week by Steve’s blessings, sorry for repeating that (and I hope nobody feels “passed-by” for the attention given to one of us, yours will come too, God will take care of that), but what came into my mind was this:
    “Redeeming the time”
    Steve is redeeming the time, he has accepted the circumstances, and he uses his spare time to bless otheres, to be a blessing to others, but I do pray that you get enough rest! First of all spiritual rest, but also physical rest, and I pray a blessing for your whole family!
    God’s promisses given to us stand sure.

  213. jeff1 says:

    Thinking of people in my lifetime who strengthened my belief and it was those who walked the walk rather than those who just talked the talk which proves that actions speaks louder than words when it comes to being a follower of Christ and why obedience is required or I am going to be as much part of the problem rather than part of the solution.

    Taking refuge is what I do because I loose my way but it is me accepting God’s Grace in a time of wandering and I have been around long enough to know that I spend more time depending on His Grace than walking in the light.

    I know this because my dad was consistent when walking the walk and this resulted in him not having to wonder if he was doing God’s will because his actions aligned with God’s will and therefor he knew that his decisions shunned by other believers where righteous in God’s sight and why another’s faltering never disturbed his personal walk with God.

    There is a gigantic difference in being a believer as I consider myself to be and being aligned to God’s will as my dad was and my dad knew God because he was gentle and humble in Spirit and God enters the heart that is susceptible to His way and not the heart that wants to do things ‘my way’.

    I struggle because I want God to do it ‘my way’ but just like my waywardness had no sway with my earthly dad because he loved me too much to allow it God will not allow my ignorance of His ways get in the way of righteousness because it is in His children’s well being and ultimately and even when I am confused in my mind in my heart of hearts I know God’s way has to be yielded to as fruitfulness that is eternal has to have its source from God to survive for eternity.


  214. SFDBWV says:

    Good morning my friends from across the ocean, this morning there is horrible news of a mass shooting in Las Vegas as of this writing at least 50 killed and over 200 injured.

    People who came to an outdoor concert for “country music” will forever be changed.

    An act of hate from whatever reason.

    I read of the troubles in Spain, and another stabbing incident in France. It seems things are getting worse every day…Maybe that fellow was right about September the 23rd after all.

    Prayers today for all of us because we are all in this world (for now) together.

    I received an old message again this morning, simply stated the message is “Stand fast”. And so it remains, I will stand fast and await our Lord.

    29 degrees this morning and clear.


  215. Beloved says:

    Horrific catastrophe in Las Vegas but as I’m listening to eye witness reports I’m hearing, “I was an agnostic before but now I believe in God, I am blessed” from a survivor. The acts of God in these interviews are the goodness coming out of them, rescues, and being alive! God is solo good.

  216. poohpity says:

    It would seem those in darkness look for darkness acting in darkness and those in the light look for the light acting on the light. It seems that every generation has those times of saying this is the worse it has ever been but to me there was much in the past that also seemed to be the worst of times.

    Like the killing of Jesus followers by placing them in an arena to be killed by wild beasts or gladiators, throwing children under the age of 2 into the river, or the genocide and mutilation of millions of people in Africa or the Jews during the Holocaust. Like God has said the very heart of mankind is bent on evil. Yet the Act of God was to redeem mankind, go figure.

  217. Beloved says:

    ’Tis so sweet to trust in Jesus,
    Just to take Him at His Word;
    Just to rest upon His promise,
    And to know, “Thus saith the Lord!”
    Jesus, Jesus, how I trust Him!
    How I’ve proved Him o’er and o’er;
    Jesus, Jesus, precious Jesus!
    Oh, for grace to trust Him more!
    Oh, how sweet to trust in Jesus,
    Just to trust His cleansing blood;
    And in simple faith to plunge me
    ’Neath the healing, cleansing flood!
    Yes, ’tis sweet to trust in Jesus,
    Just from sin and self to cease;
    Just from Jesus simply taking
    Life and rest, and joy and peace.
    I’m so glad I learned to trust Thee,
    Precious Jesus, Savior, Friend;
    And I know that Thou art with me,
    Wilt be with me to the end.

  218. jeff1 says:

    O Church Arise and put your armour on
    Hear the call of Christ our Captain
    For now the weak can say they are strong
    In the strength that God has given
    With shield of faith and belt of truth
    We’ll stand against the devil and his lies
    An army bold whose battle-cry is Love
    Reaching out to those in darkness

    Our call to war to love the captive soul
    But to rage against the captor
    And with the sword that makes the wounded whole
    We will fight with faith and valour
    When faced with trials on every side
    We know the outcome is secure
    And Christ will have the prize for which He died
    An inheritance of nations

    Come see the cross where love and mercy meet
    As the Son of God is stricken
    Then see His foes lie crushed beneath His feet
    For the Conqueror has risen
    And as the stone is rolled away
    And Christ emerges from the grave
    This victory march continues till the day
    Every eye and heart shall see Him

    So Spirit come put strength in every stride
    Give grace for every hurdle
    That we may run with faith to win the prize
    Of a servant good and faithful
    As saints of old still line the way
    Retelling triumphs of His grace
    We hear their calls and hunger for the day
    When with Christ we stand in glory

  219. Beloved says:

    God gave us all good things to enjoy…

    My first attempt at Butternut squash soup turned out pretty good with yesterday’s leftover mashed potatoes mixed in. My nutmeg is old though so need a fresh one. Love the fall harvest of fresh veggies! Thank you Lord.

  220. foreverblessed says:

    Thank you so much for these beautiful songs, Jeff and Beloved! Beautiful words, oh that they may sink I into my heart!

    And thanks Beloved for being thankful about the fall, I have difficulties when it gets cooler, and wet. Nostalgia about the gone summer arises. But I must not let nostalgia reign ( in time past it was better- mentality) I must have my eyes fixed on Jesus, the fountain of my life, be it summer or winter

    Psalm 25:15
    My eyes are ever on the Lord, for only He will release my feet from the snare.

    I pray for Bubbles,
    and too, for all those in trouble after that horrible shooting!

    “The troubles of my heart have multiplied,
    free me from anguish.
    Look upon my affliction and my distress
    and take away all my son’s.
    See how my enemies have increased
    and how fiercely they hate me!
    Guard my life and rescue me,
    let me not put to shame, for I take refuge in You.
    v 17-20

  221. foreverblessed says:

    And take away all my sins
    Psalm 25:18b

  222. SFDBWV says:

    When my wife Rita and I lived in that hallway at Ruby Memorial Hospital now nearly 19 years ago while Matthew lay in a coma in the ICU, every so often we would hear a helicopter fly overhead to land on the roof of the hospital. With a look of common understanding at each other we knew it was someone else’s nightmare.

    After her own death and Matt and I settling in to what was to become our new normal I bought a trilogy VCR movie put out by T.D. Jakes, and John Hagee about the “Apocalypse”.

    Very interesting was the segment whereby demon forces began to inhabit or influence certain people who were susceptible to their influences. These people began committing senseless acts of murder, followed by suicide.

    Ever since having seen this story in fiction, I recall it each time I see some horrific incident as took place in Las Vegas Sunday night.

    And now today like 18 years and 5 months ago as I look at the numbers of people killed and injured I recognize the nightmare these people’s families have now had thrust upon them.

    Murder has been around as long as has mankind. And sad to say, even though people scramble to understand why someone would do such a thing, such a thing is in every one of us. It just needs a push.

    If nothing else such a horrible event shows the need for Christ.

    31 degrees and clear.


  223. jeff1 says:

    I don’t believe that Steve otherwise there would be more horrific acts in the world because most could find a reason for hating another but thankfully more people are self destructive when hating than destructive of others.

    Only God knows why some commit evil on such a scale and yes I would agree that I do not know what I am capable of until I am pushed but I also know of people who have been pushed and their gentle nature is such that they do not act in a way which hurts others.

    They do not claim to be Christ followers but it is in their genes to be gentle natured.

    We don’t have answers to why people behave differently and why trusting God who judges evil justly is the right response to what we don’t understand.

  224. Beloved says:

    Forever can you see Jesus shuffling through the fallen leaves laughing and loving the changes and enjoying the day? I’ll bet you can!

    I also am sensitive to environmental changes with suffering, but Jesus, Oh Jesus gives us strength to overcome them ALL! Thinking of bubbles also and praying for strength for the day, minute, or hour as needed.

  225. foreverblessed says:

    Hi everybody! Looks like we have a time out!
    It was wonderful meeting you all, and thinking over together about the Word of God.

    May God bless you all,
    And remember, it is the Living Word that created all, and that is more than capable of creating His image in us!
    Live in that blessed assurance,
    and to rehearse what Jeff repeatedly said: be totally submitted to His Will,
    get to know Him better, do not submit to something you don’t know!

    The last Adam became a Life-giving Spirit!

  226. SFDBWV says:

    I have thought hard as what to say this morning, if at all.

    When I found Mart’s BTA several years ago now it was such an enjoyable adventure. Fellowship with people from all over the world.

    A peek into their world and lives and an opportunity to bring my world and life to them.

    Indeed I am a personal man, I like the fellowship and friendship that good conversation and good company can produce.

    I have been very open as to who I am, where I am and have shared my ups and downs with the good people I have found here.

    For this I am eternally grateful to Mart, BTA and all the wonderful people I have been blessed to know from this experience.

    Mart owes me nothing, yet I owe him a great deal for allowing me to be counted as one of his friends here and share my thoughts and glimpses of my life with you all.

    Because of Mart’s patience and friendship, I have always felt an obligation to try and present a good thought provoking comment while also trying to encourage others where and when needed.

    When our conversations come to a place where we have to defend our thoughts, as well as feel as though we are personally attacked then basic human characteristics surface.

    Anger begets anger, love begets love.

    In spite of the overall message of grace from our faith, our faith also has rules and when those rules are ignored there is a price to pay.

    It always produces a loss.

    A loss of fellowship, a loss of friendship and if not fixed a loss of direction even confusion. Our faith walk gets hurt.

    Each time this sort of thing happens I expect Mart to pull the plug on BTA and each time he doesn’t I am relieved. Even hopeful that things will improve rather than get worse.

    And that is where I am. Hopeful that things will improve, so as long as Mart wants to provide us a topic and a place to discuss amongst ourselves I pledge to help Mart and not dishonor him by bringing dissent and strife into the conversation.

    However dissent and strife sooner or later must be addressed or the entire fellowship is lost to “The Enemy”.

    53 degrees light fog.

    Learned last night that my mother in law, Crick, had another stroke Wednesday night, she is 98. Her daughter tells me she can’t speak has a drawn face, but is still able to swallow.

    Time is running out for her, I have always hoped, as has she that we would all go up together in the “rapture”.


  227. SFDBWV says:

    Posted the above because obviously as foreverblessed says Mart has shut down commenting any further on the “Enemy.”


  228. foreverblessed says:

    Steve, I wanted to answer your question from years ago:
    Only those who are sick need a doctor-
    Jesus’ words.
    That I wrote to a man who claimed that his people had no part in the fall of Adam.
    At that time I felt In couldn’t answer, as the man in question could also read it.
    But yes, ofcourse every human being needs a Savior.
    But Jesus can only save you when you see the need.

  229. foreverblessed says:

    Maybe Mart does not like it that we keep posting.
    But I want to say to you all:
    Have a blessed day, you and the ones you love, and I pray you will love a lot more people with God’s love, and above all things:
    hang on to Jesus, no matter what…

    Look to Me and be saved
    Isaiah 45:22(KJV)

  230. Beloved says:

    Forever blessed thank you for the blessing and I know you will keep trusting Jesus always. Always so good to talk to you.

    Steve I feel bad for crick and what she is going through, and for you also.

    And Chris so very good to hear from you! You always have an encouraging word and I so appreciate you. God bless all here, Joyce

  231. Beloved says:

    It appears as I have been blocked from the new post. I’m sad and sorry I messed up so badly.

  232. Beloved says:



  233. jeff1 says:

    I am blocked to, Beloved.

  234. foreverblessed says:

    I can post here, but not on the new topic
    Its good tot hear from you Jeff!
    Succes with the storm Ophelia, it is not a hurricane anymore, I read this morning.
    We have extraordinary fine weather, like a warm summer’s day.
    It has been for a couple of days now.

  235. foreverblessed says:

    Some pretty heavy stuff Steve wrote on the subject: Why.
    My heart goes out to him, and Matt.

    Maybe the better question is, not why, but:

    How long, O Lord

    Psalm 13:1

  236. jeff1 says:

    Yes, Forever, I am hearing the news this morning that our schools are closed and other non emergency services.

    We’re not used to storms here and the news is saying that the last one equivalent to this one was in 1961 so it will likely seem like a hurricane to us.

    The seasons are hard to tell as we often have the 4 in one day and so I recall the days of my youth when the seasons came in order and we had 2 and 3 months of sunshine and I couldn’t get my mom in from the garden.

    The South of Ireland is on red alert and here in the north we are on amber and as my son says we are inland as well.

    We can only hope that people take the advice given and stay safe as best they can.

    We had a couple of extraordinary fine couple of days earlier this month so it would seem the weather is topsy turvy all over not unlike my head when its all over the place.

    Hope you get time to enjoy it. God Bless.

  237. jeff1 says:

    I see there is difficulties posting on the new post and I am glad as I thought I had spoke when it would have been best not to and so Mart had blocked me so thank God for Mart, Steve,s and others patience when I put my mouth in gear before my brain and speak to use Pooh’s word garbage that others should not have to hear.

    I must do better to focus on the topic and not let my mind wander so that I move away from it.

    Thanks especially to Mart for your perseverance.

  238. Beloved says:

    Good morning from the US. Yes I’m thinking we are not blocked or we wouldn’t be able to post here. I actually missed Sunday School grieving about being blocked, but made it through church service. I’m so tender hearted.

  239. Beloved says:

    Jeff glad to hear you are inland so the storm won’t be as bad. Hello forever! Yes I read Steve’s post and was reminded of the couple years I worked in a nursing home but quit because my back couldn’t handle the work. Working with TBI was always the most difficult because of the mood swings which they cannot control. How wonderful it will be when one day Matt standing tall and straight says thank you Dad for caring for me when I needed you the most! Heaven will be glorious in that way too besides seeing God finally! What a reward is awaiting us all. Thank you Jesus.

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