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The Enemy

When faced with unspeakable evil and terror, it’s probably important to remember that the first move into our darkness was not a good God’s judgment of sin. It was the Accuser’s shrewdness in leading our first parents to see a forbidden tree as evidence of God’s self-centeredness.

The Accuser never stops accusing God— or us— or our own flesh and blood.

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159 Responses to “The Enemy”

  1. Mart DeHaan says:

    Steve, gets up earlier than I do :-), so here’s his post for today, brought forward.

    SFDBWV says:
    October 3, 2017 at 4:48 am (Edit)

    When my wife Rita and I lived in that hallway at Ruby Memorial Hospital now nearly 19 years ago while Matthew lay in a coma in the ICU, every so often we would hear a helicopter fly overhead to land on the roof of the hospital. With a look of common understanding at each other we knew it was someone else’s nightmare.

    After her own death and Matt and I settling in to what was to become our new normal I bought a trilogy VCR movie put out by T.D. Jakes, and John Hagee about the “Apocalypse”.

    Very interesting was the segment whereby demon forces began to inhabit or influence certain people who were susceptible to their influences. These people began committing senseless acts of murder, followed by suicide.

    Ever since having seen this story in fiction, I recall it each time I see some horrific incident as took place in Las Vegas Sunday night.

    And now today like 18 years and 5 months ago as I look at the numbers of people killed and injured I recognize the nightmare these people’s families have now had thrust upon them.

    Murder has been around as long as has mankind. And sad to say, even though people scramble to understand why someone would do such a thing, such a thing is in every one of us. It just needs a push.

    If nothing else such a horrible event shows the need for Christ.

    31 degrees and clear.


  2. SFDBWV says:

    Thanks Mart


  3. poohpity says:

    It really gets bad when we start believing a work of fiction on how either Satan or God works. Most of the movies that are put out no matter it seems who puts them out is a way Satan works to deceive. Taking bits of truth and adding a human component to entertain just like he did when tempting Jesus in the wilderness twisting what God had said to fit his own purposes.

    I could be like Satan put the thoughts in the minds of our first parents accusing God of being self centered and keeping something from us that they may have thought of as beneficial but if it had been beneficial it would seem God would have put that knowledge in them to begin with. Just the thinking that we could be like God in anyway really is a false understanding of who God is. It would seem He can handle that kind of knowledge when all it would do for a person is puff them up and lead them away from God rather than to Him and after all isn’t that what He wanted was for us to come to Him in relationship from the very start?

    I am even surprised at how many Christians also think the worst of God as in self centeredness or using us as pawns to accomplish His will as if God’s will is some how bad in some way for us. Or as we talked about in the last topic attributing to God evil acts. James 1:13-14

  4. Beloved says:

    Gen 3:22 Then the Lord God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of Us, knowing good and evil; and now, he might stretch out his hand, and take also from the tree of life, and eat, and live forever”— 23 therefore the Lord God sent him out from the garden of Eden

  5. Beloved says:

    Phil 2:6 who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped.

  6. Beloved says:

    I think I see what you are saying Mart. It was because of the accuser man was first kicked out of the garden, for his own good! How can man rule as affectively as God can? God was not deceived by His accuser. Good to remember how weak we really are, and how un-God-like we are. And how God doesn’t listen to the accuser of the brethren. So, why do we do that?

  7. Beloved says:

    why do we listen to the accuser of the brethren?

  8. Beloved says:

    lol forrest gump comes to mind as I answer my own question. Stupid is as stupid does.
    Thank you God you are not stupid, but all wise, sovereign, and full of grace and truth. How little I really know about Him.
    Thanks mart for the chance to think these things through that you present to us. truly life changing :-)

  9. jeff1 says:

    The struggle is in the mind or not but the heart knows better but it is obedience that keeps me aligned with God’s will and when I will be enlightened to God’s truth.

    We are aliens in this world and it is us who forget that this is our temporary home and God has to keep reminding us.

    Known only to Him are the great hidden secrets but it is to safeguard His children and not as the enemy would have us believe.

    I have trusted God and I have hid from God because of waywardness and I know He understands because He knows this world is difficult and I have felt alone because I have been in bad places in my head but I know in my brighter days that God will be faithful in bringing me home.

    I have been listening to gospel music since I fist bought Elvis’s LP ‘His Hand In Mine’ and it never fails to touch my heart and erase the dark thoughts from my mind.

    God gives us song and gifted voices to make them beautiful so that we have a touch of heaven now to lighten our journey and dull the voice of the accuser.

    What do you say to someone who feels like they’ve lost it all
    Over the edge with no one there to break their fall
    And what do you say to someone who feels so unloved
    Giving themselves away a little bit every day just to be good enough
    And what do you say to a hopeless soul who can’t remember their way home
    And everything is out of their control

    There is no valley, there is no darkness
    There is no sorrow greater than the grace of Jesus.
    There is no moment, there is no distance,
    There is no heartbreak He can’t take you through.
    So before you think that your too lost to save.
    Remember there is nothing greater than grace.

    What do you say to someone whose life is on the line
    And there unsure what happens after their last breath in time
    What do you say to someone whose built a wall you can’t break through
    And it’s so hard for them to hear the truth

    There is no valley, there is no darkness
    There is no sorrow greater than the grace of Jesus.
    There is moment, there is no distance,
    There is no heartbreak He can’t take you through.
    So before you think that your to lost to save,
    Remember there is nothing greater than grace.

    So don’t lose hope, don’t let go
    Don’t give up, you are not alone

    There is no valley, there is no darkness
    There is no sorrow greater than the grace of Jesus.
    There is no moment, there is no distance,
    There is no heartbreak he can’t take you through.
    So before you think that your to lost to save,
    Remember there is nothing greater than grace.

  10. foreverblessed says:

    What a beautiful song, Jeff!

    Reminds me of the words of Corrie ten Boom, life is not so deep, Jesus will go deeper still.
    Jesus is the One who went to the deep places, 1 Peter 3:19
    Jesus HAS conquered over evil.
    We have to trust that, and I believe, we also have to check our thoughts, what is Jesus’and what is from the deceiver. many thoughts come into our minds, and they are not from God. We have to capture them, and bring then into obedience of Christ, as is written by Paul.
    The other thing Paul wrote, is to think about noble things, right things, lovely things!
    Col 4:8

    So now I think about the fall, as walking through crspy leaves, Thanks Beloved! Yes, that helps, envisioning Jesus walking. What I do in the fall, is with my bike, riding on the road (we have special bicycle path in our country) and I try to ride over a dried out leave, it crunches when you hit it.

  11. foreverblessed says:

    This weeks Psalm, the lithurgy of the dutch main prostestant church, is Psalm 25.
    Psalm 25:15 is a good one in reference to this topic:

    “My eyes are ever on the Lord, for He will reliease my feet from the snare.”

    As the snare is often the lies of the deveiver, the twisting of the real love of God.

    I give you some notes on the psalm from Spurgeon, treasury of David, just because I liked it so much.
    Spurgeon says, this Psalm must be in David’s older days.

    “Verse 1. Unto thee, O Lord. See how the holy soul flies to its God like a dove to its cote. When the storm winds are out, the Lord’s vessels put about and make for their well remembered harbour of refuge. What a mercy that the Lord will condescend to hear our cries in time of trouble, although we may have almost forgotten him in our hours of fancied prosperity. Unto thee, O Jehovah, do I lift up my soul. It is but a mockery to uplift the hands and the eyes unless we also bring our souls into our devotions. True prayer may be described as the soul rising from earth to have fellowship with heaven; it is taking a journey upon Jacob’s ladder, leaving our cares and fears at the foot, and meeting with a covenant God at the top. Very often the soul cannot rise, she has lost her wings, and is heavy and earth bound; more like a burrowing mole than a soaring eagle. At such dull seasons we must not give over prayer, but must, by God’s assistance, exert all our powers to lift up our hearts. Let faith be the lever and grace be the arm, and the dead lump will yet be stirred. But what a lift it has sometimes proved! With all our tugging and straining we have been utterly defeated, until the heavenly loadstone of our Saviour’s love has displayed its omnipotent attractions, and then our hearts have gone up to our Beloved like mounting flames of fire. ”

    Psalm 25:1
    And I offer them up as a prayer for Matt, and for Bubbles.

  12. SFDBWV says:

    In this thread of subject matter in our last subject Matthew 12:24 KJV came up. Attention to this is found in Matthew 12:22 KJV.

    The reason that the Pharisees accused Jesus of being in league with the devil was because in the Jewish tradition of healing possessed people, the demon would be forced to identify itself by name and then the priest’s would cast out the demon by calling out his name.

    However in this situation the individual involved was both blind and unable to speak. Being unable to speak the demon in this muted person was unable to also to speak.

    Jesus demonstrated His power over evil by healing this person without having to call out the name of the demon. Giving Jesus’ accusers the opportunity to say Jesus knew the demon because they are on the same team.

    This is a false accusation. Just like in Genesis 3:5 KJV.

    So who is it then that is “the enemy”? Matthew 12:30 KJV says that anyone who is not with Jesus is against Him.


    When Cain killed Abel there is no mention of there being any demonic possession or influence from the devil. Cain killed Abel because he was jealous and angry.

    There is an old saying that I am sure I will get it wrong, but it goes something like this, “I have found the enemy and he is us.”

    The serpent beguiled Eve, but it was Eve who ate of the fruit, the serpent said nothing to Adam and yet Adam ate of the fruit.

    We may accuse the devil of our sins, but it is we who sin.

    There is a word now that is interesting in its use. “Intersession”. If we have a friend who is in need of facing maybe a drug or alcohol problem or I would suppose any problem that is affecting their health or wellbeing; their friend will have an “intercession” and force that individual to face their “problem”.

    If we have a sister or brother (the brethren) whose behavior is detrimental to the spiritual health of that individual or the community of believers, if we have an “intercession” with that individual are we then “accused” of accusing the brethren, or attempting to intercede on theirs and everyone’s behalf?

    Even when those among us try and live a holy life, we are often “accused” of acting like a Pharisee for our efforts by some of our own. Matthew 12:25 KJV.

    I have found the enemy and he is us.

    Adam and Eve hid from God because of their shame, we hide from God too, but we hide in the cover of Jesus of Nazareth and beneath the blood of the Lamb. In the cleft of the Rock.

    36 degrees and crystal clear.


  13. Beloved says:

    Good morning all. Praying for bubbles and the fellowship.

    I love the memory of bicycle tires on leaves. I can’t ride anymore ( balance issues), but I do have fond memories. Beautiful devotional forever thank you as I just have time to get ready for Bible study at the Tea Shoppe this morning so must quit writing. Blessings to Steve and prayers for him also.

  14. jeff1 says:

    I hide because of my sin and knowing God has forgiven me does not stop me sinning and although I tried until I exhausted myself I still fell foul to sin so God seeing me as white as snow is because Jesus died to save me.

    I had been indoctrinated to keep the ten commandments and failed so Christ is my refuge. It’s keeping it simple by keeping it personal and my dad taught me that and he was a prime example of walking in the light of God’s truth because neither an unbeliever or a immature believer could disturb my dad’s walk with God and the reason being that as he submitted to God then God revealed the truth to him and I only know God’s will through submission and not knowledge which is why God wants a personal relationship with each of us to reveal truths to us through Spiritual truths which align me with His personal will for me.

    I learn about God and how he worked in my forefathers in their time on earth from the bible but God wants to connect personally with you and I in the 20th century and in our homes over the world and He does that by the work of the indwelling Holy Spirit and my part to give Him access because being gentle of Spirit He does not force Himself on us so if I have a heart filled with hate for someone he’ll walk on by and I will have missed an opportunity to have God work in my life so I should only be concerned with my own waywardness because it is affecting whether I have a righteous or a troubled walk with God and if it is the latter then I cannot proclaim to be a Christ follower as I am not able to have the right relationship with others until my relationship with God is right and I will be deceiving myself if I say otherwise.

    God does not stop me from deceiving myself but He learns me lessons but I need to listen to His voice and that is very difficult when you suffer from mental confusion and so for myself I spent my life running backwards and forwards to God but mostly I have taken refuge in Christ because its where I feel safest rather than being blown about in the storms of life as I believe I have to do what makes me feel I am right with God or I lose my peace which is more conducive to me in my state of mind than trying to understand that which I find difficult .

  15. poohpity says:

    After church usually a group of us go out to grab a bite to eat and the topic of the Devil came up. This one lady said, “He has no influence over us.” my reply was that there are many who say that and many who blame him for everything but his does have influence over us. I did not go any further than that into the conversation but if I had I would have mentioned that there is a reason that we are given spiritual armor to protect us from the powers of spiritual darkness.

    The bible mentions several ways that influence(of spiritual darkness) can affect our lives and it is often not in an in your face kinda way but very subtle and covert, so one can hardly notice it is happening but the effects often lead us in a direction of questioning God’s goodness, mercy and getting us to focus on anything other than who we are to God and that He wants us in a close relationship with Him.

  16. poohpity says:

    Viv, take comfort in knowing that it is because of what Jesus did that makes us right with God and we can do nothing in anyway to change that.

    “Who dares accuse us whom God has chosen for his own? No one—for God himself has given us right standing with himself. 34 Who then will condemn us? No one—for Christ Jesus died for us and was raised to life for us, and he is sitting in the place of honor at God’s right hand, pleading for us.

    35 Can anything ever separate us from Christ’s love? Does it mean he no longer loves us if we have trouble or calamity, or are persecuted, or hungry, or destitute, or in danger, or threatened with death? 36 (As the Scriptures say, “For your sake we are killed every day; we are being slaughtered like sheep.”) 37 No, despite all these things, overwhelming victory is ours through Christ, who loved us.

    38 And I am convinced that nothing can ever separate us from God’s love. Neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither our fears for today nor our worries about tomorrow—not even the powers of hell can separate us from God’s love. 39 No power in the sky above or in the earth below—indeed, nothing in all creation will ever be able to separate us from the love of God that is revealed in Christ Jesus our Lord. Romans 8:33-39 NLT

  17. poohpity says:

    I believe that nothing means nothing. Sin can not separate us from the love of God because that was the very reason He came to save us and He knew that we would never be without sin while we live in this flesh but it can no longer be a means to accuse us but Satan would have us believe it can as he accuses us before each other and before God to lead us away from the very One who draws us near.

  18. poohpity says:

    That is not saying it is OK to continue in sin but now we have the power to walk away from it when we admit to it and can embrace the forgiveness that was given to us by the cross, then toss it away as God does. Psalm 103:11-13; Hebrews 9:26

  19. poohpity says:

    Satan tells lies and deceit like; God will never forgive you for that, carry the shame and guilt so you will be no use to God, you are less than or more than other people, you have to earn God’s favor, etc..

  20. poohpity says:

    The only weapon we have against the schemes, lies and deceit of the Devil is God’s very own Word.

  21. poohpity says:

    Steve, I think you will find that many demon possessed people Jesus did not ask their names but only one time I remember but did not allow the demons to speak because they knew who Jesus was and He meaning, Jesus, was not yet ready for others to know His real identity. For instance read Mark 1

  22. jeff1 says:

    I believe it is my walk because my weakness of mind makes refuge a safe haven for me but each of us has to be led by the Spirit and what is one person’s meat can be another’s poison and why I should not try to lead others or they me because God knows HIS plans for each of us and when I miss God’s will I bring distress that God did not intend and so I am learning that it is me not following the Spirit that leads me to do it my way and not the way God intended so blame lies with me rather than God.

    It is in taking responsibility for my own Spiritual blindness that I see why God insists on obedience when following Christ because it is the only way to align myself with God’s will which is what He desires as He has my personal interests at heart and not His own.

    It is ignorance of knowing God through His Spirit that leads me astray and further ignorance of God’s character that makes me doubt His intentions.

    I am thinking how my dad knew God so well and wasn’t distracted by another’s doubts or ignorance and the reason was how disciplined he was personally which means that my two steps backward i.e. when I fail to submit can be damaging to my whole journey and why it is always my fault when I am in the dark and not God deciding I don’t need to know so it becomes clear that I blind myself.

    I am now getting to know God as He wants me to as I have seen the lack of submission tells God I doubt Him and He cannot trust me to reveal until I show my faith is restored.

    I want God to know that in my heart I know he is all knowing and worthy of my trust but my head is not always in a good place and why I am content in my heart that His will shall be done and my weaknesses shall have no more power over me when He has finished His work in me.

  23. poohpity says:

    Ya know what is so very wonderful to me is God sees that our hearts want to follow Him although we mess up that does not stop what He knows. That desire seems to be what pleases Him the most because it is not our behavior but His love that makes the most difference in a person’s life. There was only One who was completely obedient to God and that was Jesus Christ and His obedience is what is counted as righteousness for us.

    This song from “Hillsong”

    “You Never Fail”

    When waters rise all around me
    When mountains stand in the path I see
    I look to love that’s unfailing
    I look to grace that is all I need

    Oh call
    Call upon the Name
    Jesus Christ
    The only Name that saves

    For there is no one like our God
    There’s no one like our God
    There’s nothing that can stand against You
    There’s no stronghold You can’t break
    No life that You can’t save
    Our God You never fail

    Your light will shine through the darkness
    Your word will calm every crashing wave
    My hope it lies in Your promise
    My faith it stands on the empty grave

    Strong through every trial
    Faithful through the night
    Our God will never fail
    Our God will never fail

    Anchor through the flood
    You keep holding on
    I know You’ll never fail
    Jesus You’ll never fail

  24. jeff1 says:

    It seems that the mind is the battlefield where despair can cause all kinds of struggles but the heart knows God and where He resides when my heart is in proximity with His.

    It is not surprising that when my heart is not right with His then it is not right with others as He is the source of change that is needed to make me a true follower of Christ.

    I love this poem by Helen Steiner Rice whose poetry has always a positive ring to it and like songs gives me hope in the difficult seasons of life.


    God of love-Forgive! Forgive!
    Teach us how to truly live,
    Ask us not our race or creed,
    Just take us in our hour of need,
    And let us know You love us, too,
    And that we are a part of You…
    And someday may man realize
    That all the earth, the seas and skies
    Belong to God who made us all,
    The rich, the poor, the great, the small,
    And in the Father’s Holy Sight
    No man is yellow, black or white,
    And peace on earth cannot be found
    Until we meet on common ground
    And every man becomes a brother
    Who worships God and loves each other.

  25. jeff1 says:

    This song from Elvis though not a gospel song depicts that home is where the heart is and it makes me realize how I can feel close to God be it in a church, on a mountain top, a river, staring at a rainbow, anywhere in the world, and it makes me ask why do I limit God for He certainly doesn’t limit me.

    Home is where the heart is
    And my heart is anywhere you are
    Anywhere you are is home
    I don’t need a mansion on a hill
    That overlooks the sea
    Anywhere you’re with me is home

    Maybe I’m a rolling stone
    Who won’t amount to much
    But everything that I hold dear
    is close enough to touch

    For home is where the heart is
    And my heart is anywhere you at
    Anywhere you are is home

    Maybe I’m a rolling stone
    Who won’t amount to much
    But everything that I hold dear
    is close enough to touch

    For home is where the heart is
    And my heart is anywhere you are
    Anywhere you are is home

  26. bubbles says:


  27. poohpity says:

    The Elvis song sounds more like it was written to and for Priscilla.

  28. poohpity says:

    But I like Elvis and got to see him in person at the Astro Dome in Houston 1970.

  29. poohpity says:

    It could have been in 69 not sure because I lived in Jasper 69-70 my junior year in high school.

  30. jeff1 says:

    God works mysteriously or in hindsight not so. At around 10 years old I was more into Elvis than God and so someone, can’t remember who, but probably my mom, bought me Elvis’s LP album ‘His Hand In Mine’. I have been hooked on gospel ever since and for me America has the cream of gospel singers i.e. the gaithers, the hoppers, Lynda Randle, to name but a few.

    Elvis is there with the greats, comes from his heart, and there is no faking that, and 3 grammy awards for his gospel music says a lot agree with that.

    He learned to sing at his local Baptist church his mother being a woman of great faith and the night prior to his death he was found by his cousin in the bedroom reading his bible proofing he knew who his best friend was right up until his death.

    As Michael Buble said Elvis had a voice kissed by God and I would agree as no one sings that beautiful without the source being from God.

    Yes, God works in mysterious ways, here is me, a small town, country, Northern Irish women, trying to convince Americans that Elvis was a gift from God.

  31. SFDBWV says:

    Many years ago (early 70’s) there was a fellow, Tom Snyder, who had a TV show that came on after Johnny Carson’s “Tonight Show”, it was called “Tomorrow”.

    It was pretty good as he had on guests that were not the run of the mill parade of entertainers already well known.

    On one occasion he had a man on who actually was wearing a shopping bag over his head with holes for eyes. This man was admitting that he was a pan-handler in New York City and was taking in over a hundred thousand dollars a year at the time from “begging”.

    There was nothing wrong with the man, he just made a good living begging. He said he was “in disguise” because his wife who was in “the green room” was horrified that he would be recognized by her friends and they would be “outed” for what he actually did for their living. She told her friends he had a good job and why they were able to live so well.

    Their enemy was the truth.

    On another occasion Tom had on some Russian guests. Just fairly regular people who weren’t necessarily political, but here in this country as agents of their country in some capacity that has escaped my memory.

    Tom and they talked about all sorts of common interests and by the end of the show they had agreed after the program they would all go out together and get several drinks, laugh, and have a good time instead of blowing each other up with atomic weapons.

    Their ally was respect for each other as being brothers and sisters that shared this world together.

    Jesus said that the “world” would hate his disciples because they first hated Him. The enemy of Jesus and ultimately us is that same “worldly” behavior.

    Is Jesus guilty of “accusing” because He identified the behavior of the ‘world/flesh? No certainly not!

    And we are not guilty of exposing sin wherever it raises its ugly head? Certainly not!

    A person is known by the fruit they bear, if they bear no fruit who do you imagine is their ally and what their enemy?

    Morning thoughts with some coffee and “Tastykake” mini donuts…47 and partly cloudy.


  32. jeff1 says:

    Steve, I know you are stable of mind as my dad was and that means disciplined. I can detest worldly behaviour but I also know that being weak minded I can get caught up in it.

    What that makes me if I claim to know God is a hypocrite to others as they judge me on my words and actions. It is why I do not see myself as a Christian today, a believer, yes, but it takes a disciplined life like my dad’s to be a follower and I am exhausted trying to be something I am not.

    I trust God thanks to having a dad like I had but I do not see how I can say I am a follower when I know my weaknesses are that of this world’s and so I say I am a believer and hope that influences others.

    I personally have failed God and so Christ is my refuge and my enemy is myself because I exhausted myself trying to keep the laws while my dad being the wise man he was submitted to the Holy Spirit and was walking in the light.

    I am either taking refuge or I am being led by the Holy Spirit and I cannot have it both ways and I should know which category I fall into by being truthful to myself.

  33. poohpity says:

    You can have it both ways taking refuge under God’s wings and being lead by the Holy Spirit. We can worship and idolize people or we can worship and idolize God that is also a choice one has to make, can’t have it both ways.

    All human beings are sinners with faults and everything that comes with humanity but God is set apart(Holy) and our belief in Him also sets us apart. We can worship the creation or we can worship the One who created it all.

    The enemy, the prince of this world, distracts and only wants the things we see or the things we hear to draw us away from focusing and hearing the things of God. That enemy whispers in one’s ear do not read about God, or go to church to learn about God, or listen to music that focuses us on God, focus on what you can see rather than on what you can not see. Be satisfied with what the world offers that makes glad the stomach, feelings, greed, notoriety, selfish ambition, lusts of the eye, idolize people and things, cling tightly to only those things that satisfy your five senses and forget about searching and seeking that which satisfies one’s soul.

    There are actually only two choices either one believes in God or they don’t. Whatever takes first place in your life is what one truly believes in and that is easy to determine by just admitting what one thinks about most of the day that is what has your heart, mind and soul. That shows who has won the spiritual forces of this world or the spiritual forces of the Kingdom of God.

  34. poohpity says:

    When our feet hit the floor in the morning does the enemy say no worries I already have this one, or watch out.

  35. jeff1 says:

    I disagree, you have to be disciplined in both mind and body to be a disciple, submitted to, means being led by the Spirit or you are doing your own will and calling it God’s will which is ungodly.

    Obedience is the key to following God’s will and I lived with a dad who knew it because God predestines who is disciples are, it is not your choice but God’s.

    The one thing I do know now which I couldn’t see at the time is how naturally it was for my dad to do what was right when others were not and that means God given and not man driven.

    I do not decide to be God’s disciple but God chooses them as they submit their will to his will through the Holy Spirit.

    God would never get His will done on earth if he depended on me to get it right and why rightfully He empowers those submitted to Him.

  36. foreverblessed says:

    O dear Jeff, you are hard on yourself!!!

    Let’s see, if I would follow your line of thinking:
    A Christian is somebody disciplined by the Holy Spirit, you can see them by their fruits. And then I would think I can a fruit: Joy! A Christian always rejoices! Fil 4:4

    And then I would look at myself, and see: I am not always rejoicing! Oh boy, and above that I compare myself to someone who is a joyful person, as you compare yourself to your dad, and then I would conclude:
    That person is chosen by God,cancel I am not.

    Wow, Jeff, really! I do not want to think like that.

    I would pray to God: God, You are my God! You I want to worship, I would want to rejoice ways! Please, help me my un-rejoicing!
    You are the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, You trained Jacob by Your By Spirit, and that took a long time, but as I oh could train Jacob, You can train me too!
    Genesis 32:30

  37. poohpity says:

    A sheep is not disciplined in mind or body but they know who their shepherd is so they follow His voice. To stop trying and rest in the work of God knowing that it is Him who changes our desires and the direction of our lives is trusting in His leading. The only obedience that Jesus asked of us was to believe in Him and He will do the rest as in changing us. It is not about obedience to the law because no one except Jesus ever was, the law’s purpose was to expose our sin so those who say they never sinned would know that actually they have.

    That is why boasting in how godly or spirit filled one is shows just the opposite of trusting in what God can and does do. If we boast in anything it should be in our weakness, brokenness and our sinfulness then we can go to God(repent) and admit our need for Him then acknowledge and praise God for what He has done for and in us.

    There has never been anyone who ever followed God that did not struggle against the flesh or the powers of darkness in some form or another. A disciple(student of a teacher)of Jesus is one who follows Him and His teaching and one can not follow Him or His teaching if they do not know what it is or even care to know what it is.

  38. poohpity says:

    We have to be careful in who we listen to even our own self talk because the enemy wants us to stay weighed down under condemnation, judgement with accusation of how worthless we are. That is from the enemy which are lies, deceit, distortion and anything that keeps us from living the abundant life we are offered from God in Christ Jesus.

  39. Beloved says:

    Interesting thread as God has been speaking to me lately about how I will experience more joy and peace (Godly not human) through self-discipline. Trusting in His goodness over my worries/fears is always the challenge for me.

  40. Beloved says:

    I Cor 9:27 Paul said: I keep working over my body. I make it obey me. I do this because I am afraid that after I have preached the Good News to others, I myself might be put aside.

  41. Beloved says:

    Romans 6:9 Paul said also: For just as you once presented your members as slaves to impurity and to lawlessness leading to more lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves to righteousness leading to sanctification

  42. jeff1 says:

    Pooh, it is not obedience to the law I am talking of but obedience to the indwelling Holy Spirit which Christ said we His followers were to submit to.

    My dad had a simple faith no biblical teaching but he knew God better than the preachers of his day because the fruits of being submitted are not just knowing but obeying God. God is in control of your will and you have God’s truth so you have God’ righteousness and not your own or another’s because it is the miraculous work of God in man and God has chosen you through your obedience to the Spirit.

    Who did the opposite to my dad so who knows that I cannot do God’s will in my own strength because I had a nervous breakdown trying and I am still suffering the effects of it but God chooses His disciples, I cannot choose to be His because He will not allow it.

    Think about it your God’s representative on earth so He needs your full submission in order for His will to be done on earth and that is not done through belief but obedience to the Spirit.

    I am not saying that God cannot use our weaknesses but it is what it is God turning it around for His purpose and that is very different from being chosen by God through submission of the Spirit which means that person is connected directly to God’s will so much so that they are oblivious to the fact.

  43. poohpity says:

    How does one obey God if they do not know what they are supposed to be obedient to? It could be that at times we are being submissive to another spirit rather than the Holy Spirit. How does one know what the will of God is? There has to be somewhere we get our information or how does one even know about what Christ has done for us? Does it come about out of the air or are we taught or told?

    I know that God draws us to Himself but He has also provided the testimony of His relationship with others to teach us. Otherwise it would be like a fish floundering around out of water because often people fall prey to all kinds of false teaching unless they have something to compare it to.

    God does not need us to fulfill His will if He can use a donkey, raven or a fish. He can use whomever or whatever even a rock. I again only know One person who was fully submissive or obedient to God’s will and none of us humans beings were that person so why try to be something we are not? That does not mean we do not allow God to do in us what we are unable to do ourselves.

  44. poohpity says:

    If deception were easy to spot it would not be deception. In detecting counterfeit money one does not study the counterfeit bills but the authentic bills. One has to know the truth to be able to determine the lies or deceit.

  45. poohpity says:

    It would seem that the enemy uses our own ignorance for his pleasure, banking on the fact that not many have searched for enough truth to be able to spot the false accusations, our the lies about God or even others. Just like gossip or slander does not spread the truth but often what one sees as truth and most often it is devoid of facts.

  46. poohpity says:

    Submission to the leading of the Holy Spirit does not mean that He tries to control us like a puppet master because he still allows for our free will. He seems to be exactly that a guide that leads us and it is up to us whether we follow or not. Sadly many try to lead without ever being lead or learning how to follow they just want to be the one who is in control and if people do not do it their way then there is the price of anger, hostility or rage to pay.

  47. jeff1 says:

    It is through obedience of the Holy Spirit that God reveals His truths and not through His word. His word is for our personal encouragement and knowledge but not how we get to know God personally, that is only through the Spirit, and until you understand that you will be subject to being deceived because only God’s Spirit can detect the lies in this world as they are so widespread.

    When you are being led by the Spirit of God nothing else disturbs you because it is God Himself who is the driving force and there is no self involved so thoughts like you and I are having would not enter a disciple of God’s.

    A disturbed mind like my own is what keeps me from having the discipline to be a disciple and that saddens me greatly because it was ignorance of God that left me this way, trying to be godly in my own strength, which is what proves ignorance of God, and something my dad never done because he had stability of mind and you need that to be disciplined as it is God’s requirement and not be saying it to be difficult.

    There are disciples on this earth and there are believers but it is God who chooses His disciples and it has to be that way for the good of the Kingdom which is what we all want in the end.

  48. poohpity says:

    So do we stay ignorant about God or do we desire to learn more about Him so our minds can be transformed and we are not carried away by every teaching which brings confusion and guess work? Don’t people want a solid foundation that they can stand firm on or the opposite chaos and confusion always being swayed by however our mind and emotions may take us. I guess that is up to the person but for me I want to know the truth. 1 Tim 4:1; John 16:13

  49. SFDBWV says:

    I sat down at the computer this morning after matt had had his breakfast, I had fed the critters and had my “official” prayers, it was around 5 o’clock.

    My attention became fixed on a news story that identified the victims of Las Vegas’ worst day and a brief intro into who they were.

    I soon became teary eyed and overcome with the sadness that accompanied each story, each person.

    Few words are appropriate to describe this senseless act of pure evil, other than it was just that a senseless act of pure evil.

    From the distance the shooter was firing there was no way he could zero in on any particular person, he just kept firing into a crowd totally unconcerned with the people he was shooting into.

    It makes me wonder if he could have looked into each person’s eyes before pulling the trigger if he could still have done it.

    If he knew the story behind each person he killed if he would have targeted them.

    When we usually thing of such evil we think of people like Adolph Hitler or Joseph Stalin and the millions of people they were indirectly responsible for murdering.

    Then I can’t help but take it to the next thought of how we discriminately fire bombed German and Japanese cities during WWII killing hundreds of thousands of women men and children.

    Making it ok to do so because they were the “enemy”.

    I wonder what made a group of people at a country music concert an enemy of this murderer.

    I have read with amazement that during the height of the carnage during the “Tribulation” that people will curse God for their misfortune. Curse Him instead of asking for mercy from Him.

    The enemy is often an excuse for our own heartless behavior…I have met the enemy and he is us.


  50. poohpity says:

    Are you accusing us of being the enemy? Don’t we know who is behind accusations? So who is it you are speaking for?

  51. poohpity says:

    The enemy seems to be the one who tries by deception and accusations to keep us away from knowing God through things such as songs of praise and worship; through hearing and reading God’s word. God puts a desire within each of us through the Holy Spirit to search and seek God but the enemy says what is the use, we do not need God in our lives. We are worth nothing to God unless we earn His love, not because of who God is and what He thinks about us, we are no longer His enemy we are now His children and friends also siblings of His Son.

  52. Beloved says:

    Howdy folks!
    Just listened to a sermon by John Piper on the sovereignty of God and am feeling so encouraged after thinking and talking about the enemy. Hope prevails!

  53. phpatato says:

    Steve, I agree wholeheartedly with you….the enemy is us. And oftentimes this old saying rings true

    “we are our own worst enemy”.

    I saw the forecast track for tropical storm Nate. It looks like you are in for some wet weather come Monday. He shouldn’t be packing very high winds but have your rubber boots handy.
    Be safe.


  54. jeff1 says:

    God knows what He is doing protecting us from ourselves because that really is the good news of the gospel that He is faithful even when I mess up and though I disappoint myself I know it doesn’t stop God from saving me as that is what Jesus has done and though I tire of the ways of this world I must recompensate by trusting God in accomplishing His will in it.

  55. street says:

    i saw this verse as related to our convicted hearts.

    19 This is how we know that we belong to the truth and how we set our hearts at rest in his presence: 20 If our hearts condemn us, we know that God is greater than our hearts, and he knows everything.

    21 Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God 22 and receive from him anything we ask, because we keep his commands and do what pleases him. 23 And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us. 24 The one who keeps God’s commands lives in him, and he in them. And this is how we know that he lives in us: We know it by the Spirit he gave us.

  56. street says:

    jeff said,”There are disciples on this earth and there are believers but it is God who chooses His disciples and it has to be that way for the good of the Kingdom which is what we all want in the end.”

    John 6:39
    And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day.

    6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything, but faith working through love.

  57. foreverblessed says:

    When Steve wrote: the enemy is us- I read it this way:
    You can build a wall to keep refugees out, you can forbid people to travel from ME countries, and then what happens: one of our own people starts shooting!

    My husband was saying yesterday: in 28 days 59 people have been shot dead in Chicago. Times reported that.
    That is also a tragedy, but no flowers for the victims, no covering in the news. Last year there was a reporter from England who made a documentary about Chicago. And about the families of the victims, and the fathers, Christians who started programs for their youths to give them a meaning for living. But the amount of deaths is shocking!
    I have seen the enemy and it is us, that sounds reasonable, in this case too.

    I pray that these communities will find the Light, that is in Jesus!

    And I was thinking about what Jeff wrote, Street has some thoughts on them too. Good thing to think about: Am I totally submitted to the Holy Spirit? Do I want to be….

  58. SFDBWV says:

    Foreverblessed when I was just a boy I read Bram Stoker’s Dracula. The earlier movies stayed true to the original concept that Dracula the vampire could not go anywhere he wasn’t first invited.

    I might suppose Bram Stoker may have drawn on the idea that evil, especially evil doing is an invitational action that once the door is open all sorts of ills follow on in the open door.

    When Tim McVey blew up the federal building in Oklahoma City killing men women and children his twisted view of doing so was that the federal government was the enemy. The people he killed were not an enemy just fellow countrymen of his.

    Up to that event there was a surge of popular conservative opinion that our Federal government was becoming an enemy to traditional values and so an enemy of the people.

    Causing citizen groups to establish militia’s in what they considered would soon come to out and out civil war.

    The bombing in Oklahoma City pretty well cooled that whole movement off.

    But then there is also the murder of a man and his wife and I believe son at “Ruby Ridge” Idaho when federal agents surrounded his cabin and began firing into the cabin, their excuse and reason was that this man owned too many guns.

    As well as the horrific murder of men women and children in a housing complex in Waco Texas by over- reaching federal agents.

    I am reminded of David’s desire to build God’s Temple, but God said David had blood on his hands and the Temple would have to be built by his son Solomon.

    For almost as long as I can remember there has been a call for revival in America from its leading Christian leaders. Indeed until America learns how to clean the blood off its hands, true peace will be withheld and bloodshed will continue.

    The answer is revival and of course a return to Jesus of Nazareth as Lord and the adoption of His commandments and principals.

    So it is whom we invite into our hearts to lead our actions as a person and as a nation.

    The results are the fruits that we see ripen on the vine.


  59. poohpity says:

    street, you are right if a heart convicts a person that the enemy is within them then it probably is.

    The strange thing is that people list all the evil in world but how shortsighted it is not to mention all the good things people do which often far outweighs the bad but that never makes it to the newspapers, magazines or television to be reported on. One sees and clings to that which they are bent towards.

    1.3 million deaths due to car wrecks a year, 64,000 drug overdoses a year, 30,000 deaths from guns some of them from murder but not all and the one thing they all have in common is the human being using them.

    But those who help people hardly ever get mention in the mainstream media; well here is just one over 11 million children have received shoe boxes filled with needed items, toys and learning tools from Samaritans Purse. I wonder how many ODB devotions that this ministry sent out around the world or how many people have drinking water due to help they have received from a ministry. There are over 52,000 people a year helped by Desert pantry food bank that is “just one” local church in my area and there are several others within a 10 mile area.

    So one will pay attention and feed the wolf they so identify with. There is a good wolf and a evil wolf and the one that survives is the one that is fed the most.

  60. poohpity says:

    It then seems very fitting and logical as the enemy accuses God and others of evil intent that it is actually the enemy who has the evil intent.

  61. poohpity says:

    Jesus taught that whatever is in a person’s heart comes out of their mouth; “But the words you speak come from the heart—that’s what defiles you. 19 For from the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, all sexual immorality, theft, lying, and slander.” then again said, ““A tree is identified by its fruit. If a tree is good, its fruit will be good. If a tree is bad, its fruit will be bad. 34 You brood of snakes! How could evil men like you speak what is good and right? For whatever is in your heart determines what you say. 35 A good person produces good things from the treasury of a good heart, and an evil person produces evil things from the treasury of an evil heart.”.

  62. poohpity says:

    The accuser never stops accusing as Paul eluded to when he said, “You may think you can condemn such people, but you are just as bad, and you have no excuse! When you say they are wicked and should be punished, you are condemning yourself, for you who judge others do these very same things.”

  63. jeff1 says:

    Pooh, while it may be short-sighted for the media not to mention the good deeds of charities it is also short sighted to expect them to because man’s way is not God’s way and we should not be surprised at these things.

    I as a believer can fail God so why would I expect a worldly person to do what is right as the only heart I need to keep right in God’s sight is my own.

    These things are seen by God and that is what matters
    so let my works be acceptable in His sight should be my desire.

  64. poohpity says:

    Viv, I did not say it was shortsighted for the media to look for the bad and not the good but for people in general because that is a proven fact no expectations involved. If I remember correctly I have never said I expected anything from anybody to act in or not act in anyway so I wonder who it is that actually expects things from people? The only person I expect things from is God and that is because of His promises. So please do not accuse me of expecting anything from anybody because you do not know whether I do or not.

    At times there is actually not much difference between people who claim to be believers and the worldly person. That is not by expectations either but by observation. People claim a lot of things but their actions are often at odds with what they say and I do not expect that to be any different than what it is. What comes from expectations of people is only disappointment and heartache.

  65. foreverblessed says:

    “I will praise You, o Lord.
    Although You were angry with me,
    Your anger has turned away
    and You have comforted me.
    Surely God is my Salvation.
    I will trust, and not be afraid.
    The Lord, the Lord, is my strength and my song,
    He has become my salvation”.
    With joy you will draw from the wells of salvation.
    Isaiah 12:1-3

  66. foreverblessed says:

    This was the Bible verse, actually v2 and 3, for the baptism of a young man this morningoutside in a lake.
    The sun broke through the clouds, shining warm just before he walked in the water,
    The pastor said: look at the water, this is now your burial site! Just the thought, yes!
    All the evil in us has died!
    We are buried with Christ, but we are resurrected to a new life!
    And when he came out of the water, a rainbow appeared!
    Showing that God can be trusted!

    It is God’s Spirit that changes us, we can trust Him He will work in us!
    As Jeff writes, we ought to submit to Him!
    The last Adam became a lifegiving Spirit! 1 Cor 15:45

  67. SFDBWV says:

    Like a couple of people at the door of a shop each offering the other to go first is how I often feel writing in the morning. I expect that Mart may change his subject and I don’t want to make him feel he has to rush or get up extra early because he and I live an hour apart in time zones.

    My sympathies and complete understanding to you Mart.

    This subject, “The Enemy” came up the morning after an act of horrific murder was perpetrated against an innocent gathering of revelers. I have always felt the two were connected.

    From my own perspective there is just no explanation for why this fellow with such forethought and planning would have reason to do this, and I am disconnected personally from it. I can only imagine the chorus of why that has gone up to God from the people affected by this act.

    It is said that all things work for the good for them that love the Lord. It takes a lot of looking to find such from this. However, once again this is one current event in a history of violent behavior from mankind toward mankind from the beginning of woes.

    So we pray.

    We pray for our Lord Jesus to return and end this nightmare we live in daily.

    But then His return is heralded by such violence that it is written if not shortened all life would end on earth and that the earth had not seen such violence from it beginning.

    Blood will flow as deep as a horses bridle.

    That is a lot of blood.

    Remembering that it is also written that we reap what we sow…

    Was thinking this morning that we did not hear from “Maru” during this subject, I hope she is ok.

    We are having light drizzle this morning with a promise of rain all day. Not connected to the hurricane that is now just a rain event moving up toward us from the Gulf coast.


  68. Beloved says:

    Morning all!

    I really love the story and picture Mart of the return of the prodigal. I think of the safety we have from the enemy which cannot touch the power of the Spirit within us. What a holy war that battles on in realms unseen, yet we with this earthly treasure abide, hidden from those whose eyes are still blind. Pray for the lost keeping eyes on Jesus!

  69. jeff1 says:

    Pooh, I think people are thinking negatively because the media highlight the bad news and not the good news.

    Its as much a struggle for me a believer not to let it affect me mentally as it is for people in general so much so that I have stopped listening to the world news because of its gloom and doom and try to focus on God’s promise of a future world to come.

    While I see as you see that believers do not look much different to worldly people the truth is I am not as I struggle with the temptations of this world as do they and the difference being that I am trusting God in my struggles while non believers do not.

    If you find that people let you down, and they do, I find, that reminding myself, of the fact, that I too let them and God down which brings me back down to earth with a bump and the reality that God is telling me to look in the mirror!

  70. poohpity says:

    Steve, I have yet to hear from anyone why God would allow the shooting to happen or even to blame or accuse anyone but evil for that act. God for a time does allow evil but if He didn’t there would be no people left because all can make a choice between evil and good acts to do. Why does one make a choice to hate when they could forgive and love instead? To take all evil away seems to be to take our free will away as well.

    Viv, if I do not expect things from people then they will not let me down now will they? Yes I am the exact reason that I do not expect things from people because I know what I am and the choices that are before me and often which way I chose to go. If I can’t give myself a break(grace) then odds are I will not be able to give others a break(grace) either.

  71. poohpity says:

    1 John 2:9,11; 1 John 3:15 So if we say those acts of the shooter are any different than hating someone we have deceived ourselves because Jesus said that holding hate in our hearts is the same as murder in Matt 5. I know often people like to put sin in differing categories or severity but they are all the same to God. When Jesus dug down deep into the heart of man, He let us know that actually any finger pointing is often misguided because all sin. Thanks be to God for His divine mercy, forgiveness and grace.

  72. poohpity says:

    Romans 12:20-21; 1 Peter 3:8-10 NLT

  73. jeff1 says:

    Pooh, I think you are a very independent nature to not have expectations of others but as my mum would say one person’s meat is another’s poison and I have found that God has provided for me through others which is why I find I have a need of others and trust them to do what is right because they share my desire to do so irrespective of whatever differences we have.

    God’s grace is there when I fail or others fail and a comfort God has bestowed on us so that the difficulties of this world do not overwhelm us but reminds us to persevere for His name’s sake.

  74. Beloved says:

    Grace is a gift of God through Christ Jesus. Mercy is what we can give to ourselves and others, but we can ask for it from God in order to receive grace.

  75. poohpity says:

    Viv, how does it show I am very independent because I do not expect things from others? It just means I have learned not to. I accept people for who they are. Of course I need others so I live in a interdependent relationship with them which means they let me be me and I let them be them. That is not saying that any of my relationships do not take work to maintain because I know no one who is perfect.

  76. jeff1 says:

    When I say I depend I am talking of caring and looking after my well being due to my illness which makes one more needy in an emotional way and also means I have learned to trust others and their observations on my behaviour which I believe God wants for me as I have been my own worst enemy.

    You do not come across from what you write that you need others observation’s on your behaviour so I see you as independent in the emotional sense. I do not know you but it is my observation on what you write.

    I don’t understand why there are people I get along with and others I have difficult relationships with but as you say none is perfect and so I have discovered that it is best to keep my distance from some and enjoy the relationships of those I do enjoy as it is better than having conflict that disturbs my peace with God because I have lived with conflict that is beyond my understanding and I am tired of allowing that to rob me of God’s grace as my dad through consistency of walking in the Spirit had perfect peace in doing so.

  77. Beloved says:

    Galatians 6:1-2
    “Brethren, if a man is overtaken in any trespass, you who are spiritual restore such a one in a spirit of gentleness, considering yourself lest you also be tempted. Bear one another’s burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ”.
    This is how we give grace to others. By gentle confrontation we are hoping for repentance of sin toward God and others.

  78. Beloved says:

    However there is a warning to be careful to not be tempted to sin in the same way. Bearing another’s burden of sin doesn’t guarantee they will repent as we know. Carefulness and gentleness are profound here I think.

    Perhaps one of the pastor posters here would weigh in? I don’t have that much training.

  79. Beloved says:

    Even more important is ascribing sin to the enemy when its my own unrepentant sin that is the problem.

  80. poohpity says:

    The people I am close to feel free to confront me if they see I am in a sin(trespass) and they also know I will try to do my best to walk alongside them when they are struggling with anything. They even confront me when it is not a sin but something that brings problems into our relationship and we talk it out. Sometimes things are just personality or differences in opinions or thoughts but that usually does not cause problems but if it does we usually talk it out. I admit to my part of disagreements if tension develops and anger arises and ask for their forgiveness. But not having expectations of others usually stops a lot of tensions from ever starting.

    Viv, you are right that I do not overly depend on people. I just sort of mind my own business. I know loads of people but I am only close with a very few. At church I hang around with about 15 and here at my apartment complex I hang around about 20. I call BINGO on Thursday afternoons and have a bible study(Hopekeepers for people with invisible illnesses) that morning, then on Tues, Wed and Fri a group of us do water aerobics. On every other Sat. I go to an evening meal and bible study fellowship, then Sunday church and a group of about 15 go to eat lunch. The water is starting to get cold so we are going to have to find another way to exercise.

    Then I have 2 close friends that we go to movies and out to eat. That is about it. The rest of the time I go to doctors and lay down and talk with you guys.

  81. Beloved says:

    Good day all!

    Thinking about how full our individual schedules are and whether keeping busy is what keeps the enemy at bay as in the old saying “idleness is the devil’s playground”.

    Thinking our first parents didn’t have enough to do maybe? Sitting around thinking can cause problems but the devil sure changed that, didn’t it? Maybe it was deceived then as well as when Job proved God right.

    Reading Seedbed Daily challenged me this morning regarding the sovereignty of God. Is His sovereignty about power and control or love? Such good stuff to think about here and from other pastors online. I am very appreciative! Thanks Mart!

  82. jeff1 says:

    I believe I have to understand that trusting God is about me giving Him sovereignty over me not that God is controlling but by me allowing God His way His will on earth is accomplished and that should be my desire as a believer in Christ otherwise I am talking the talk but not walking the walk.

    I have to be a willing sacrifice as Jesus and His followers were because that is the requirement for discipleship giving up the right to myself is what pleases God because it makes a way for His Kingdom to be established on earth and by my submitting of my will, His will is done on earth as it is in heaven so that we have peace on earth just like the song depicts.

    Oh well, I’m tired and so weary
    But I must go alone
    Till the Lord comes and calls, calls
    me away, oh yes
    Well the morning’s so bright
    And the lamp is alight
    And the night, night is as black as
    the sea, oh yes

    There will be peace in the valley for me, some day
    There will be peace in the valley for me, oh Lord, I pray
    There’ll be no sadness, no sorrow
    No trouble, trouble I see
    There’ll be peace in the valley for me, for me

    Well the bear will be gentle
    And the wolves will be tame
    And the lion shall lay down by the
    lamb, oh yes
    And the beasts from the wild
    Shall be lit by a child
    And I’ll be changed, changed from
    this creature that I am, oh yes

    There will be peace in the valley
    for me, some day
    There will be peace in the valley
    for me , oh Lord I pray
    There’ll be no sadness, no sorrow
    No trouble, trouble I see
    There’ll be peace in the valley
    for me, for me

  83. Beloved says:

    No sadness no sorrow– sounds like heaven to me! Thinking how we were made for heaven and not for the ruin all around us now. Im so glad for the sovereignty of our good God over this mess we live in. Why is it so hard to submit to love? Thinking because its so hard to find amid the thorns and thistles. And especially so growing up in a war zone. Takes the mighty power of God to convince and change us but heaven can wait. Blessings from across the pond!

  84. Beloved says:

    Thinking of you bubbles and wondering how the battle is going?

  85. street says:

    When faced with unspeakable evil and terror,

    one way of dealing with it is the blame game and regulations or as mentioned earlier the Stockholm Syndrome. yet we find these as just as effective as fig leaves. repeated animal sacrifices seemed to be better, but could not fix our conscience. then Jesus…..there is no condemnation for those in Christ Jesus.

  86. poohpity says:

    If God is for us who can be against us although the enemy tries to get our goat by accusing us by whispers that we are doing everything wrong but like you said street, there is now condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. It seems to be as simple as believing in what the Lord says about us, what He has done and who we are to Him. But from where and from what do we learn about God’s amazing grace, or our identity in Him and how great His love is for us to push out those accusations of the enemy? From where and what is our thinking transformed so we no longer believe in the enemy’s accusations, lies and deceit? There must be some place we can find those things out so we do not remain entrapped and help to identify when we have fallen into that type of thinking.

  87. poohpity says:

    There is now NO condemnation.

  88. Beloved says:

    There is therefore no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. We used to sing a song using those words, I can hear it now. Scripture set to music is a wonderful way to learn the deep truths of God. I love love love my bible. Its a roadmap to heaven for me!

    What a great thought to start the day with, that there is No condemnation for those in Christ Jesus.

    Our common enemy: the world, the flesh, and the devil. 3 against one but Jesus is victorious over all!

  89. poohpity says:

    ” Be sober-minded; be watchful. Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour. 9 Resist him, firm in your faith, knowing that the same kinds of suffering are being experienced by your brotherhood throughout the world.” 1 Peter 5:8-9

  90. jeff1 says:

    God’s love is superior to love as I know it and why God’s sovereignty overwhelms me as it is He who is faithful in loving beyond my understanding.

    Love Divine, all loves excelling,
    Joy of heaven, to earth come down,
    Fix in us thy humble dwelling,
    All thy faithful mercies crown.
    Jesus, thou art all compassion,
    Pure unbounded love thou art;
    Visit us with thy salvation,
    Enter every trembling heart.

    Come almighty to deliver,
    Let us all thy grace receive;
    Suddenly return, and never,
    Never more thy temples leave.
    Thee we would be always blessing,
    Serve thee as thy hosts above,
    Pray, and praise thee, without ceasing,
    Glory in thy perfect love.

    Finish then thy new creation
    Pure and spotless let us be;
    Let us see the great salvation,
    Perfectly restored in thee,
    Changed from glory into glory,
    Till in heaven we take our place,
    Till we cast our crowns before thee,
    Lost in wonder, love, and praise!

  91. Beloved says:


    Thinking that if God doesn’t condemn me then why should I let it bother me when others or the devil or my own thoughts condemn me? Why am I prone to talk about how successful, good, full of good works etc when the Author the King of Kings LORD of Lords God Himself incarnate says I am no longer under divine condemnation. Jesus must grieve.

  92. Beloved says:

    From the Daily Seedbed,

    Colossians 1:21-23
    21 Once you were alienated from God and were enemies in your minds because of your evil behavior. 22 But now he has reconciled you by Christ’s physical body through death to present you holy in his sight, without blemish and free from accusation—
    23 if you continue in your faith, established and firm, and do not move from the hope held out in the gospel. This is the gospel that you heard and that has been proclaimed to every creature under heaven, and of which I, Paul, have become a servant.my

  93. jeff1 says:

    Pooh, as someone who suffers from mental illness and also seen my mother and brother suffer the mind once disturbed is not easy to put right and as my brother suffered as a teenager right up until he died at 61 years having had different treatments that left him more like a zombie I know that the side effects of treatments can be as disabilitating as the condition.

    Perhaps it is not surprising the mind is a battlefield for me when it comes to understanding God and yet I know in my heart that I had a dad who knew God better than all the preachers I have listened to in my lifetime.

    God has worked mysteriously in my life and yet in hindsight to some extent I understand why.

    I may loose sight of God but He knows my hiding places and where to find me and it has to be His way home as He is the one with the plan to get me there.

  94. bubbles says:

    This is not a battle. White blood cell count was very low last week and I got sick. Injections I must have causes every bone in my body to throb. Doctor acts like the building is on fire every time I see him, and he is making mistakes like reading the wrong report. He is not aware of what medications I am taking although he is the one prescribing them. I cannot taste any food. I look forward to the day I can taste water again. I am tired all the time, and my workplace is hot and humid. Today it was 80 degrees in my room. I am trying to work every day because I must miss so much later on, and it is hard. The lain will be really bad beginning on Sunday, so I am taking off on Monday. I was in so much pain last time it hurt my leg to put on the brake in my vehicle. Then when this mess is finished, I have to go away for six weeks of radiaton, I have no idea where I can stay for that long. I have slept through the night five times since April. I was awake three times last night, and that makes me even more tired. If this comes back, I am through, I will NOT do this again. I wish I had not done it this time. If I coild go back to August, I woild change my mind because this is horrible, and this is a nightmare that will never end for me. My life has been ruined as well as my body.

  95. Beloved says:

    Is there anything in your life right now that you can feel thankful for or about? Finances for medications must have come through, I know it’s hard to feel good about anything. But the smallest thing could be the blessing that helps lift you above your situation for a few seconds. Everything good comes from God. Seek and you will find.

  96. bubbles says:

    You have no idea and I was stupid Dr answering you try doing what I have to do and see how you feel. I am sick of being told how to feel. I won’t answer questions here again

  97. Beloved says:

    Bubbles by battle I was thinking of your battle with your illness. I really can’t know how you feel, I’ve never been as physically ill as you are. I have been severely mentally ill though thinking things were never going to change. But God led me through years of deep darkness and it was in those times of my darkest despair He always gave me something good to get me through the day or evening as needed. People that know my life say I’m a miracle, God’s miracle of love, grace and mercy because I surely don’t deserve anything good. He never ceased to amaze me, and still does every day!

  98. Beloved says:

    Bubbles thank you for reminding me how good God is as I was having a weird day, feeling kind of lost lately. Hearing how miserable you are reminds me that when I am feeling down God is still right here beside me going through my life with me. And I can say with great confidence He is with you also, suffering with you but with hope because He lived through extreme suffering as will we all who trust Jesus for saving us from our sin so we can live in heaven with Him.

  99. jeff1 says:

    To everything – turn, turn, turn
    There is a season – turn, turn, turn
    And a time to every purpose under heaven

    A time to be born, a time to die
    A time to plant, a time to reap
    A time to kill, a time to heal
    A time to laugh, a time to weep

    To everything, turn, turn, turn
    There is a season, turn, turn, turn
    And a time to every purpose under heaven

    A time to build, a time to break down
    A time to dance, a time to mourn
    A time to cast away stones
    A time to gather stones together

    To everything – turn, turn, turn
    There is a season – turn, turn, turn
    And a time to every purpose under heaven

    A time of love, a time of hate
    A time of war, a time of peace
    A time you may embrace
    A time to refrain from embracing

    To everything, turn, turn, turn
    There is a season – turn, turn, turn
    And a time to every purpose under heaven

    A time to gain, a time to loose
    A time to rend, a time to sew
    A time for love, a time for hate
    A time for peace, I swear it’s not to late!

  100. SFDBWV says:

    Life has a way of presenting many enemies as well as many suffering people who want only for the suffering to end.

    Nothing is more insulting to someone in the throngs of whatever personal pain for someone to tell them how they should feel. No matter how well intended it is too often a mistake.

    God will speak to and through people, but it is always when the climate is right for that particular person to “hear” what God has to say.

    Only God knows when that time is right.

    When we look around at the chaos and suffering we see in the world we all wonder why. Any unbeliever can answer why as it all pertains to this world and its evils, but a believer looks for heavenly answers and as a result why is elusive and uncomforting. Even a challenge to believing.

    There are things written that God hates and also things that are pleasing to Him. Our challenge comes from giving God full and absolute control of His creation or believing that He has no control.

    If you believe He has no control, then what is it you do believe? That perhaps He created time, life and everything and that it spins out of control until its time comes to an end?

    Or that He allows all this suffering and blames it on the events in the Garden?

    In the beginning Adam and Eve were innocent and had no knowledge of good and evil…It is also said that “ignorance is bliss”.

    It is this knowledge of good and evil that enables us to make accusations and attribute blame wherever befitting. It becomes impossible not at times to be the accuser whenever we look for answers as to “why”.

    Wet and rainy at 60 degrees. Thank God we needed the rain… hoping you all see the irony in that statement.


  101. poohpity says:

    Accusations and blame also cloud us or prompt us from taking any personal responsibility for our own actions or behaviors. No one or nothing makes us act rude, inconsiderate, hateful, ungrateful, mean, unsympathetic, belligerent, unkind, etc. that comes from within our own hearts. Rearing its ugly head especially when something happens we are not prepared for, then the truth comes out, one shows their true colors when things are not going their way. But God hardly notices because His love “is patient and kind; love does not envy or boast; it is not arrogant or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful; it does not rejoice at wrongdoing, but rejoices with the truth. Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.”.

  102. poohpity says:

    If one did not trust God before calamity comes then they sure won’t during or after. God was so loving that He prepared us in advance with the promise; “I have told you all this so that you may have peace in me. Here on earth you will have many trials and sorrows. But take heart, because I have overcome the world.”

  103. poohpity says:

    We can fall into the trap of God’s all sufficient love or the snares/traps of the enemy who only wishes to devour us and lead us into a life of resentment. It is our choice which trap we want to be lead into, one produces good things in our lives or the other produces the evil it intended.

  104. poohpity says:

    That evil enemy intends to tempt and lure us away from God and uses whatever means it can to accomplish that.

  105. poohpity says:

    I asked God, “Why are you taking me through troubled waters?” He replied, “Because your enemies can’t swim.” quote from Life Learned Feelings

  106. Beloved says:

    I believe the loving thing to do is to speak truth that heals, not let someone drown in their own sorrow or self pity. When we are blinded by extreme pain it takes those who can see to point the Way out. I believe Jesus is the answer to every problem we encountered in life. Human sympathy is just that, human and although it may bring some comfort on a human level it does not heal. Enabling is death, Jesus is life!

  107. Beloved says:

    Bubbles you said clearly you feel God has abandoned and let you down. I don’t believe that is true or why would you be sharing with other Christians? Trust in the love and comfort of God who loves you very much and so do I.

  108. poohpity says:

    Beloved, the very sad thing about what we may see as speaking truth is not healing it is often from a human perspective which can and will cause more harm than good. Listening to the pain or troubles of another often does not need a reply from us only a listening ear and no words that is called compassion. There are several examples in the bible of that look for instance at the replies of Job’s friends when it was more helpful to him for them just to sit there and listen because when they started to speak it only caused more pain. Always be slow to speak rather than make excuses for behavior that was just not right to do in the first place.

    In the bible it says speak the truth in love but that is not giving what we see as truth that is sharing the Good News in love. Do not be deceived that our truth may not be the truth from God or His heart. God sees bubbles’ pain and struggle and what she needs at this point is someone just to hold and comfort her not to open their mouth to share their own garbage.

  109. Beloved says:

    I take issue with the @9:08 statement. Many many people learn that God is trustworthy during trials. After all, life is a trial! We come to Jesus with childlike faith but through maturing we come to really know Him, which is the goal of our faith, to know intimately our creator. A child instantly trusts unless the trust is broken, which occurs often to people. Yet if a child’s trust is never broken and Godly parents are doing as God intended the child will grow up seeing God as faithful, loving, and kind. Some of us grew up the hard way and must learn how to trust. I believe Bubbles will find God faithful and kind and good in the end.

  110. Beloved says:

    I don’t see my life as garbage.

    I don’t know bubbles personally as you and Steve do, I can only go by what she/he writes here. I’ve been praying for a while now and did express my sympathies a while ago. Being actually a public forum I think sometimes we forget there is more than just a click on here.

  111. poohpity says:

    Beloved, if they did not trust God before the trial which is what I said does that mean they can not find God in the trial of course they can because nothing stops God’s calling. Then most people’s thinking is garbage and may not have anything to do with what their life actually is.

    Whether one knows bubbles personally or not her words here showed a troubled heart that needs someone to hold and comfort her if one is truly listening at all rather than pushing their own thoughts and agenda into the equation.

  112. Beloved says:

    Anyway, thanks for your thoughts all I will just let bubbles vent as needed. I apologise.

  113. Beloved says:

    FYI, My only agenda here on this blog is Christ and Him crucified. Probably why I’m getting such pushback…Just Thinking.

  114. Beloved says:

    The enemy is defeated but he sure tries hard.

  115. jeff1 says:

    The reality of life is that trials can effect my relationship with God and I have had to lean on others faith in difficult times when I was near loosing my faith. Patience is required to ensure the person is given time to renew their faith as pain effects us differently.

    I agree Beloved it is uncalled for to have the comments you made with good intentions referred to as garbage but being here the length of time I have been I am no longer surprised as a persons words often speaks volumes.

    I am what I am ‘a sinner saved by grace’ as unlike my dad I have never got past others bringing out the worst in me and so I have spent my life taking refuge in Christ because of my weakness to judge others condemning myself in the process.

    It is expected that I find unbelievers trying but in the modern world it is often my fellow believers that are likewise and so if God is testing my patience I am failing big time.

  116. Beloved says:

    Thinking about garbage now. I think my life, my existence is not garbage as I am created in God’s image. But I agree my life’s events probably are in comparison to my new life in Christ! Yes. The stories we read about in the Bible are wonderful stories of redemption through healing, sacrifice and love. So should my life be also, a story of redemption. Looking back is very painful sometimes, still. But serves as a reminder of the hope I have in Christ. New life, gone is the old.

    Thank you Jesus!

  117. Beloved says:

    Those trials we have with one another have their purpose. I’ve been thinking about the Ecclesiastes verses you posted all morning. I think God uses each of us to remind the other even in crude hurtful ways sometimes that maybe our timing is off a bit. Perhaps we still need to listen to what someone says, evaluate it and trust God to reveal His will in the matter. When we pray “Thy kingdom come, thy will be done” we are praying not just for ourselves but for all believers. God gets His will done no matter what human means are available.
    Lol, he even used a donkey! Sometimes it’s hard to tell a donkey from a human :-)!

  118. Beloved says:

    Poohpity I appreciate God’s redemptive work in your life. When you are confronted you always change your words to a more Christ-like response. Praise God for His ongoing daily work in our lives!

  119. poohpity says:

    Thanks again ladies for totally misunderstanding what I was referring to as garbage thinking. Garbage thinking is thinking that we know what is truth for someone else and taking that as an applied truth. Like I said in the past one bases how one thinks as on how others think which is often way off base for them but may be on base for you or in other words; also as one accuses others is often a reflection of the accuser, not the other. I used the word garbage thinking but often others refer to it as stinken thinken.

    I am sorry if it offended you ladies that I said bubbles probably needs right now someone to hug and comfort her instead of giving her advise as to what she is supposed to feel or think about. Your defensive reaction shows that that hit a nerve and may have been the correct way to act in service to her. When I am hurting I would much rather someone just listen to my rants whether they are PC or CE and stick their advice up their nose unless I asked for it.

    So :-}~~~~~~~~~ That is the sign Pat taught me to use for rasberries, lol.

  120. Beloved says:

    Yes I reacted defensively. God and I are working on that.

  121. bubbles says:

    I hardly check this site because of the bully of the blog. Once again she has caused issues. How dare YOU say I did not trust God before this started? HOW DARE YOU?!? YOU ARE so mean and hateful. Satan uses you to sow seeds of discord and that is why I stopped visiting this site because all it is is a place for fighting. I will NOT be part of this. You have run off many people because of your meanness.

  122. bubbles says:

    And Deb, I was not addressing you in the response to the other person’s question. You need to keep out of conversations that do not involve you. YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IS GOING ON and how DARE you to say those things to me. It was not your place to comment on a question asked by someone else. YOU are the reason why so many people have left this blog and why it has turned the way it has. Your mean spirit is astounding. I will not reply here or check this site again. I have enough stress in my life and I will not allow you to upset me further.

  123. poohpity says:

    Oh Kathy you really need to seek some help sweetheart. It takes people a lifetime to be who they are today and if it helps to blame me, that is OK but it will always prevent someone for seeking help for themselves as long as they blame someone or something else for the storms that brew within their own minds, hearts and souls.

  124. poohpity says:

    Sayings of the wise; Proverbs 22:24-25 NLT Don’t befriend angry people or associate with hot-tempered people,or you will learn to be like them and endanger your soul.

  125. Beloved says:

    Psa 40:16 – But may all who seek you rejoice and be glad in you; may those who long for your saving help always say, “The LORD is great!”

  126. foreverblessed says:

    It is heartbreaking toread Bubbles comments! I have been praying for her too. It is God who can help.
    Corrie ten Boom wrote:
    No matter how deep life goes,
    Jesus goes even deeper!

    That is what I believe! But what if you have such an ordeal as Bubbles has, and God is silent?
    I hope and pray that I am being disciplined now, I the little things to learn to trust God.

  127. foreverblessed says:

    Beloved, in my devotion of yesterday Psalm 34:1,4,5 was given.
    I will praise the Lord at all times
    His praise will always be on my lips.

    Then it was written:
    Before you cry out in distress, bless the Lord,veven when troubles seem to overwhelm you…
    In the greatest distress, search until you find cause for thankfulness. Then bless and thank.

    Then I read your question, is there not something to thank for? And I had to meditate on it.
    Learning to search for things to thank for… in little things now I have been training myself to do so, when migraine was bad, but I must say, it was a bleak thankfulness. I am improving, but …. I must learn to trust God, and submit to Him, He will work it in me, as long as my desire goes out to Him.
    He is the One I am looking for…

  128. Beloved says:

    I just read about Gods silence in My Utmost Oct. 11.

    I pray others find it encouraging as I do.

  129. foreverblessed says:

    ” Do not let your hearts be troubled.
    Trust in God, trust also in me.
    In my Father’s house are many mansions,
    if it were not so, I would have told you so ( why would that have been added?)
    I am going there to prepare a place for you,
    I will come back and take you to be with Me, that you may also be where I am.
    You know the way to the place where I am going.
    I am the way and the truth and the life

    We are pilgrims here, sojourners, on a mission, to touch lived there where God has led us. Everything in my life is ordained by Him, and I want to wake up in the morning, and say: God, what is Your job for me today? Eager to hear His command.
    And if I do not hear an assignment, I want to do the daily routine as joyful as possible.
    ” Lord, give me more Joy, Your Joy!”

  130. foreverblessed says:

    That was John 14:1-6

  131. Beloved says:

    Forever migraines make it so difficult to think. It is great you are searching for something to thank God for in your deep distress. I think of Jesus being lashed with leather straps with bits of broken glass fastened to the ends ripping away at his flesh. He said not my will but your will be done while asking to be excused from it. So human yet so willing to be obedient to God. I believe that your suffering, although not your choice by any means will serve a higher purpose in time. Your faithfulness to God is comforting and encouraging.

  132. foreverblessed says:

    Yes Beloved, I found that very encouraging too:
    God’s silence.
    Wben I read: He has thought it time to show the deeper things of Him, silence…
    And I wondered… if God is silent, He has thought me fit to take me a step higher on the staircase…
    Instead of me wanting to hear from Him, at least something.

    In the waiting our strength is growing, His Strength in us, as we keep our eyes on Jesus
    That is the message of:
    Psalm 27:14

    Wait for the Lord,
    be strong and take heart
    and wait for the Lord

  133. jeff1 says:

    Thinking of how true that bible quotation is and why I want to be with people who bring out the best in me but then being honest with myself the truth is that when I scratch the surface then the bottom line is that if there where not that worse side to me an angry or hot-tempered person could not provoke me.

    Why was my dad unable to be disturbed when faced with an angry mob on the streets of Londonderry because he was submitted to the work of the indwelling Holy Spirit and was aligned with God’s will and not his own.

    Thank God that He chooses His disciples as living in a very religious country I was often confused by religious leaders quoting the bible to make their point from the perspective of what religious side they were on rather than their desire for God’s will.

    My dad read a story from the bible to encourage his own walk as he was not knowledgeable on it so he could not quote from it.

    He kept his opinion’s to himself as it was in him that if he could not speak good of a person then he would not see or say anything bad as he would say to me if I did that I could not know another’s life and therefor should not make judgements that where not mine to make.

    Perhaps, Pooh, having observed your knowledge of the bible that you could quote the verse saying how God also uses the simple to confuse the wise.

  134. jeff1 says:

    Sorry my above post is in relation to Pooh’s last post Oct 11 9.46 pm

  135. Beloved says:

    Jeff you asked how your dad could face an angry mob, I suspect being a military man he was trained for it. God seems to equip us for our vocation. After watching hours on TV about the Las Vegas shooting and hearing stories of many off duty police, paramedics, nurses etc jumping right in to help others I was thanking God for training people to help others in time of need.

    A thought regarding suffering just came to me. When my mother was taking her chemo treatments I asked her how she endured them. She said she would pray for others having treatments using the very same chair she used and for those around her.

  136. SFDBWV says:

    I was wondering how ‘subtle” the difference is between an accusation and a warning, actually they seem to be very similar.

    The Epistles and even the Gospels are filled with dire warnings about attitudes, actions and yes certain people.

    It has been said often that there is a very slim line between an observation and a judgement. Yet discernment is just that, recognizing something or someone for what it or they are.

    Making an observational judgement.

    Any one of us has at some point in our lives wondered why God allows certain things to continue. Is this an accusation or just an observation of the situation? Thereby as not only believers in God, but believers in Jesus the Christ we ascribe all matters to the full power of our God and our Savior and then wonder why there is silence and not action.

    People who try and answer for God only cause harm and end up sounding foolish.

    So I wonder, do all accusations come from a heart akin to the enemy or do some come as enlightenment from the Holy Spirit as seeing the truth, situations, attitudes and people for what they truly are?

    As Christian the best I can do is accept things for what they are, place my hope not in this world, but in the next and try to make life a little easier for others where and when I can.
    This world is damaged goods and no matter how we try to make it look better it is just cosmetics, underneath remains the same cursed earth.

    54 degrees amid a densely foggy morning.


  137. Beloved says:

    Steve I think the Truth of God will remain the Truth no matter how damaged the world, and we all know how damaged it is. Accusations are dangerous when they belie the Truth. Warnings are just that, warnings of danger! Poohpitys last scripture post was a reminder for me to avoid any comments good, bad or indifferent to her, and speaking only to you, Steve right now I have mentioned her name for the last time. Bubbles is right of course in her assessment of the blog. Perhaps God has a reason for keeping the blog going. Its beyond me though to know why and how Mart is led here. Sometimes not knowing everything is good. God knows, and that’s enough! Blessings to you and your family along with Jeff and Forever.

  138. foreverblessed says:

    Wow, beloved, your mother is a great example to me!
    Blessing others, or rather, asking God to bless them!

    Jesus had great joy in His heart, on the Cross, thinking about all the souls that would be saved!

    If I can trust my fate into God’s hands, I can stop worrying about myself, andere think of others, the ones the Holy Spirit puts in my heart.

  139. foreverblessed says:

    Steve, that is a very good point you make! I pray that I will hear the Holy Spirit, what to use when…

  140. Beloved says:

    Forever I agree also! Those of us with the mercy gift need others to “save us from ourselves” sometimes. Steve’s gifts of administration see the larger picture. So thankful for how God has gifted/equipped us to encourage one another.

  141. Beloved says:

    I’m just now recognizing how my stubborn independent nature doesn’t like to hear another point of view. Lord have mercy.

  142. Beloved says:

    Steve I hear and receive your good counsel.

  143. poohpity says:

    I put the verses from Proverbs because when I checked my email last night which was the one sent around from K-Love a music station here for yesterday because I was going to write to bubbles but read that, thinking it was from the Lord and changed my mind. So then I brought it to here.

    Yes, I have read that bible verse which says; Remember, dear brothers and sisters, that few of you were wise in the world’s eyes or powerful or wealthy when God called you. 27 Instead, God chose things the world considers foolish in order to shame those who think they are wise. And he chose things that are powerless to shame those who are powerful. 28 God chose things despised by the world, things counted as nothing at all, and used them to bring to nothing what the world considers important. As a result, no one can ever boast in the presence of God.” God called those who were fisherman, tax collectors, demon possessed and just the blanket statement of sinners will work. In those days to put to shame the Pharisees and religious leaders who boasted in how righteous, godly, above others they were to put down those who followed Jesus.

  144. poohpity says:

    I guess it was wrong for me to try to defend bubbles by saying that she needed to be listened to with hugs and comfort rather than being preached at but I will not do that again. Lesson learned!

  145. poohpity says:

    She was right I need to mind my own business.

  146. SFDBWV says:

    I wrote my post this morning early, around 5am, but could not get signed in or able to post until much later.

    I wanted to say this so that you might understand it may have seemed a little out of order with the thread of conversation.

    It seems as Christians sometimes we place too large a burden on ourselves. We are going to make accusations, judgements and sometimes get angry. This doesn’t make us any less Christian, but shows we are human.

    Way back, now over nearly 17 years ago, when I had Matt to a psychiatrist the doctor ask me if I allowed Matt to get angry with God.

    He knew I was a fairly bull headed Christian and worried that I may put unrealistic restrictions on Matt psychologically.

    I laughed and ask the good doctor if any other of his patients ever confessed being angry with their fathers. Or felt guilt for doing so.

    Of course the reality is that I can’t tell Matt he isn’t allowed to get angry with God. I don’t have that kind of control over how Matt or anyone else may feel.

    The thing is that we all need to “get things off our chests” no matter what it may be. Or sometimes the pressure becomes too much and then the anger that is built up comes out in other ways, at the wrong people, at inappropriate times and even can affect our health.

    It is when we begin to feel that God doesn’t understand our pain and suffering that we do Him an injustice. And if we are made to feel we can’t tell Him how we feel (confession) then the transition logically goes from believing He doesn’t care to that He isn’t real.

    Murmuring against God is not the same as feeling disappointed in Him.

    Honesty is always the best policy. When we are handed someone else’s pain my advice is to be honest, have compassion and place no further burden upon the sufferer.

    A beautiful fall day here in WV at a cool 64 degrees.


  147. Beloved says:

    God always understands our pain! I’m so glad He does because as you say Steve we can’t always understand each others pain. Suffering silently without another body in the room is hard but knowing Jesus is with me and that He is enough is enough. He has proved it to me hundreds of times!

  148. jeff1 says:

    Beloved, I agree with what you said about my dad’s military training but I still believe my dad’s heart had to be right with God otherwise he would have allowed his personal feelings to affect his judgements.

    I was angry at what was happening and it was affecting my judgments which proves that my actions would not have been god given but man driven or woman as in my case.

    Is this world a training ground or a testing ground or both and it would seem to be both because only God and heaven have the answers and I don’t believe Steve that God expects us to speak for Him unless the circumstances are that where we feel the need to.

    I think it is me misunderstanding God’s intention by trying to answer for God when only God has the answer.

    God asks us to trust Him in whatever our circumstances but He does not say I have to understand and usually I don’t but God does ask for obedience as proof of my faithfulness in order for a deeper relationship.

    It is obedience that draws me to God and why my dad’s life was not influenced by his personal feelings or the disruption of others because he kept his own walk disciplined that nothing came between him and the will of God.

    Not an easy course of action because it requires great discipline of ones own life but as you mentioned Beloved, my dad joined the Royal Navy at 18 so he learned how to be disciplined from an early age and he never lost it and his faith was simple and he never tried to understand as he would simply say if it pleases God.

    I think the simplicity of my father’s walk speaks volumes because God wants a closer walk with each of us and obeying God is His command not because God is controlling but because it is what aligns me to His will.

    Ignorance of God has been a stumbling block in my life
    but it wasn’t my dad’s and the difference being that I bombarded God with why’s while my dad’s response if it pleases you Lord.

  149. Beloved says:

    Jeff I love what you wrote “if it pleases you Lord”! Humility and obedience in 5 short words. Thank you for sharing that. It will be my new response instead of groaning and complaining when Jesus asks me to do something . You have blessed me greatly!

  150. Beloved says:

    Anger towards God is a normal human experience. Jonah was a favorite prophet for a long time because of his getting angry at God and talking it out with Him and not getting destroyed! Some are too fearful to let their emotions out to God thinking that God will be offended and destroy them. I used to be like that. Not anymore after years of venting to Him about my life. When I am not honest with Him I get depressed (anger turned inward leads to depression say the experts).

  151. bubbles says:

    I need ________ post where she used my real name taken down. Once again this was done deliberately. Please take care of this. I have NEVER wanted my real name used here.

  152. poohpity says:

    please stop using my real name.

  153. poohpity says:

    Do not let it come from your mouth in anyway.You do not deserve to use it or even know what it is that is only granted for my friends.

  154. phpatato says:

    Pooh stop being so childish!! Grow up. Mart does NOT deserve your petty and vile comments on his blog. Your constant know-it-all preaching and nasty put-downs are not appreciated. I swear you are getting worse and more degenerate as time goes on. And I know I am NOT the only one on here that wonders this…..why hasn’t Mart blocked you. You should have been back when Confetti Cat was. You are a troll just like he was.

  155. Beloved says:

    Ha ha I was wondering if we were back in grade school here for a while!

    Jesus I trust in you is my favorite phrase when troubles rise above my ability to cope.

  156. jeff1 says:

    Pooh, how can it be wrong to defend Bubbles even if she doesn’t see it if that was your intention then there is no harm done and it was your choice of words to Beloved that was uncalled for as she also spoke out of good intention for Bubbles and the fact that I misunderstood shows how words can be taken out of context with no malice intended.

    I have difficulty saying what I mean because I was terribly bad at English comprehension at school and I am forever missing the point a person is making and people have to repeat and explain before I grasp what they mean.

    Communication is difficult so can we not cut each other some slack and accept that misunderstanding happens without there having to be offence taken as I don’t believe it was anyone’s intention to cause offense.

  157. Beloved says:

    Jeff here in the US the behavior you describe is called self-pity with sarcasm. In other words having a pity party (poor me) when one doesn’t get their way. It’s a lose-lose situation for all.

  158. street says:

    looking at this tread and saw a post on believers and disciples. thinking in Matthew 28: 18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

    thinking making disciples or believers? James comes to mind.

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