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Conspiracy Theories

With the release of the Kennedy Assassination Papers, we may find ourselves in the mirror.

Some of us are drawn to conspiracy theories. Some of us aren’t.

Am wondering whether every culture has its own examples of tragic events that divide citizens between those who believe the official story, and those who don’t.

What is apparent, is that alternative versions of “the truth” have been around from the beginning. According to Genesis, conspiracy theories seem to have born with the leak that our Father is not as good as he wants us to believe.

We refer to that source by different names. The Accuser. The Great Deceiver. The Father of Lies. The Enemy of our souls.

However we refer to him, he seems to be trapped in his own version of the truth. Why else would he inspire Judas to betray Jesus? If The Deceiver isn’t the most deceived of all, why— after all that had already happened— would he walk into such a sting?

Even though the unforeseen events that followed gave birth to more conspiracy theories, and then even to conspiracy theories about conspiracy theories, seems to me that the truth has been leaked like an unending river.

Look at what the most tragic of all deaths says about purposes, tactics, and self-deception of the rebellion— and about the heart of the One who has come to our rescue! What exposes our inherited resistance to our Father more than our family’s unwitting determination to kill him? What exposes the heart of our Father more than what he let us do… to assure us that he still loves us?

And now… In the fog of national and personal circumstance, what can we learn from history’s ultimate smoking gun? Can the story of what really happened on that Passover night, help us see what might actually be going on behind the scenes of the tragic events in our own lives?

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  1. Mart DeHaan says:

    Am copying below Jeff1’s early morning post to “Why”…

    jeff1 says:
    October 29, 2017 at 5:27 am

    In this world I walk alone with no place to call my home
    But there’s One who holds my hand
    The rugged road through barren lands
    The way is dark, the road is steep
    But He’s become my eyes to see
    The strength to climb, my griefs to bear
    The Saviour lives inside me there

    In Your love I find release
    A haven from my unbelief
    Take my hand and let me be
    A living prayer my God to Thee

    In these trials of life I find
    Another Voice inside my mind
    He comforts me and bids me live
    Inside the love the Father gives

    In Your love I find release
    A haven from my unbelief
    Take my hand and let me be
    A living prayer my God to Thee
    take my life and let me be
    A living prayer my God to Thee

  2. poohpity says:

    Oh yes! In today’s times almost daily do we read or hear conspiracy theories not only about our government but about people in our very neighborhoods. People seem to thrive off of spreading false rumors and gossip about people so much so that they get others to believe their theories only because they fail to search for the truth and want to believe the worst.

    I remember the conspiracy theories about the attack on 9/11/01 but having lived next to a safe house for some of those killers even trying to share the truth over and over people still believed the conspiracies, the lies. Yes it does show the heart of mankind and the reason that Christ had to die.

    Admitting the truth about ourselves is the only way we can completely grasp all that the crucifixion and resurrection covered by forgiving us and how much love for us the Father did show by giving us a new life to live in Christ Jesus.

  3. remarutho says:

    Good Morning Mart and Friends —

    Mart, you write:

    “And now… In the fog of national and personal circumstance, what can we learn from history’s ultimate smoking gun? Can the story of what really happened on that Passover night, help us see what might actually be going on behind the scenes of the tragic events in our own lives?”

    In view of the cross of sacrifice Jesus bore for us, we may see that what humans plan can and will be used by God to implement the ultimate plan to rescue and redeem all possible human souls. (see Joseph’s brothers’ plot, the malicious conniving of the church leaders of Jerusalem, or Herod’s cruel plan to kill the little King)

    The divine conspiracy is all good — all loving — and working at all times, though we cannot perceive it. God’s work to bring us back into His family is more than a theory. It is the reality of Life.

    Joy all day,

    7C/44F in the valley. Partly cloudy conditions. Low pressure headed our way out of the Pacific.

  4. Beloved says:

    Romans 8:28 comes to mind when it comes to conspiracy theories. What we can grasp with our strangest imaginings has not even the remotest comparison to the love God has for us.

  5. SFDBWV says:

    Oh my, oh my where to begin?

    Being 70 years old I can remember how history was taught to me in school. If all I knew about history came from that experience I would be basically ignorant to the truth about nearly all of history.

    Out there in the world of information it is always best to remember to never say never.

    In the established “official” information given the title of “absolute truth” too often there are anomalies that give rise to wonder if there is more here to learn.

    I believe it was Shakespeare who wrote “There are more things in heaven and earth than dreamt of in your philosophy Horatio.”

    Mart has often used the term “tensions” when questioning verses of Scripture that appear to be in conflict with each other.

    Again here is Shakespeare saying “Ah here is the rub.”

    Absolute truth is a very difficult thing to “prove”. And with mankind it is always the same, we seek proof because we have been deceived far too many times.

    So what then of our faith? We are ask to believe and have faith with the only proof being the night sky and all of nature.

    We are ask to have faith in what the Bible says and yet there is a multitude of divisions on what nearly every verse of Scripture says.

    Is this because of “the deceiver” or because of our endless thirst for knowledge and that always elusive “absolute truth”?

    While Jesus hung on the cross his accusers scoffed at Him to prove He is the Son of God and come down from there. Then they would believe, but not before.

    So then was Jesus death on the cross the devils doing or God’s will?

    Maybe it was God’s will to use the devil to accomplish this unparalleled event in the history of man and God and perhaps in a history of our unknowing.

    I believe the cross was God’s will from before the beginning of the world. If you want to call me a conspiracy theorist fine, but if you want me to believe anyone else has full knowledge of the absolute truth other than God, I am going to remain skeptical.

    36 degrees with a mixture of rain and snow.


  6. jeff1 says:

    I was at a service today to commemorate 500 years of the Reformation. The preacher preached on how Martin Luther through it was not his intention brought about Protestantism and he then asked us how we felt about being a Prod as is our expression here for someone from our culture.

    He remarked that we believed God was on our side.(and I thought to myself how my dad knew God doesn’t do sides). He then went on to say that of course if you were talking to those from the Roman Catholic community they would say God was on their side and also Islam would say the same.

    He made the point that Martin Luther believed that we could not know God through religion but only by faith in Jesus Christ and the word of God.

    To my way of thinking conspiracy theories keep us divided and so to do religions yet many like myself were brought up in a religion that gave us great encouragement and comfort and the more thoughtful minded of us can agree to disagree with those of other religions without becoming quarrelsome but there are also those who hold extreme views and I have heard Protestant’s saying that Roman Catholics are for hell and vice versa and I am not sure how they have come to believe this other than the hatred and violence they have seen has scrambled their brains.

    I agree Steve, God has the absolute truth and not surprising He has to keep it that way because just like in Jesus’s day jealousy among brothers and sisters is just apparent today as it was then.

    Whatever God is or is not He is no fool when it comes to understanding our conspiracy theories.

  7. foreverblessed says:

    That’s great Jeff! I also went to a service commemorating 500 years Maarten Lutheran.
    We must have been sitting there are the same time!
    I was really inspured, sitting there and when the Bible verse was read:
    Genesis 15:1-6
    There occurred a thought in me: as many as the stars!
    So many offspring from Abraham, the stars are billions and billions! That is an enormous ammount!
    The Cross of Christ was for all of them!

    God’s work is so much greater than we can imagine!
    At the moment, I have to consider that I am submitted to God, with joy, and with great enthusiasm! What are You going to do today, with all my moments!

  8. foreverblessed says:

    Yesterday, there was a baroque music group from Antwerp, and they sang a Cantate from Bach:
    “Sincerely feste Burg ist unser Gott” BWV 80

    On Psalm 46, called the Luther Psalm, he wrote it when he was on his way to Worms, the edict of Worms, in 1530, when the Emperor Charles V wanted to hear all the arguments of the protesters.

    I have noticed before, that when I sing music from Bach, the words really inspire me:
    ” Alles, was von Gott geboren,
    ist zum Siegen auserkoren”

    Saying: Everything that is born from God, is for victory!

    Meaning, all the moments we give to God, that the He works through are Forever!

    His victory on the Cross is so much bigger than all our defeat, and failure!
    Faith in the Work of Christ: Who said, It is accomplished!
    That standby forever, no matter what liars make of it!
    Jesus Work is greater, and All-Victorious

  9. foreverblessed says:

    Sorry, the auto correct changed my typing, and I didn’t check!
    Ein feste Burg ist unser Gott
    Not sincerely Judy

    And that stands forever,
    not standby forever

  10. SFDBWV says:

    I think it was B.T. Barnum who said “you can fool some of the people some of the time, but not all of the people all of the time.”

    Whoever first coined the saying, it remains a standard.

    Once again going back to our school days we were taught that John Wilkes Booth killed President Lincoln because he was a southern sympathizer and that gave us a passing grade.

    But later in our lives as we looked deeper into the story there were several people including a woman hung for their involvement in the assassination.

    Right now as I write I could not name the assassin of President Garfield or why he was killed.

    If I looked deeper into the story I would then have to trust what I was reading to be the facts.

    Somewhere across time someone learned that there is power in the “pen”. I believe most of us have heard the comment that “The pen is mightier than the sword.”

    It becomes a matter of do we believe what we read? Do we believe what we are told?

    The 1960’s in my opinion was the beginning of the end for not just the USA, but for all of decency, honor and righteous living throughout the world.

    With the assassination of Kennedy, who was a whoremonger and favorite of the “press” came the belief that we could not trust our own government to present the truth to its people.

    From that came not trusting the police and essentially anyone in authority. Including the Bible and ultimately God.

    Today we have instant messaging and an overkill of information. So much that before any facts are investigated to their reliability already a mob mentality has made up its own mind of what to believe.

    We have come to a nearly complete kneejerk reaction to everything. Confusion abounds.

    Can we apply any of what goes on today with the events in the “Garden”? Perhaps only with the concept that when we don’t believe God, there is “hell” to pay.

    What then to believe? For the Christian there is only one way, one belief, one “Truth”, He is Jesus of Nazareth the Messiah, Christ.

    Every act we make is to be shown in His light, under His shadow and in comparison to Him. He is our pathway, our lamp and by whom all truth is found.

    It is time to ‘circle the wagons” come together and back up to the basics of what brought us Christ, to come home and to make our stand.

    32 degrees, 3 inches of very wet heavy snow.


  11. jeff1 says:

    A hymn from the Reformations service which reminds me that God is with us but our part is to trust and obey so faith is still what pleases God which is what Martin Luther believed. Is it not the case that our works and our religion are who we are in this world but God sees who we are in Christ and why this world is not our home but our training and testing ground for the world still to come.

    It means that God does not want me to become downhearted when I mess us but to learn from my mistakes but I do believe God wants us to learn and not keep repeating our mistakes because as Sir Winston Churchill said if we do not learn from history then we are doomed to repeat it and so it is in our personal lives and why I understand what you said Pooh about getting stuck because I often feel that way to and fear repeating the same mistakes.

    When we walk with the Lord
    in the light of His Word,
    What a glory He sheds on our way!
    While we do His good will,
    He abides with us still,
    And with all who will trust and obey.

    Trust and obey,
    for there’s no other way
    To be happy in Jesus,
    but to trust and obey.

    Not a shadow can rise,
    not a cloud in the skies,
    But His smile quickly drives it away;
    Not a doubt or a fear, not a sigh or a tear,
    Can abide while we trust and obey.

    Not a burden we bear,
    not a sorrow we share,
    But our toil He doth richly repay;
    Not a grief or a loss,
    not a frown or a cross,
    But is blessed if we trust and obey.

    But we never can prove
    the delights of His love
    Until all on the altar we lay;
    For the favour He shows,
    for the joy He bestows,
    Are for them who will trust and obey.

    Then in fellowship sweet
    we will sit at His feet,
    Or we’ll walk by His side in the way;
    What He says we will do,
    where He sends we will go;
    Never fear, only trust and obey.

  12. poohpity says:

    From the very first conspiracy theory, God’s adversary lead the first couple to believe that God is not as Good and loving as they once had thought by causing doubt and he has not stopped with twisting truth to fit his own desire to lead us away from our relationship with our Creator ever since. But the truth does come out after experiencing God, our eyes are opened, our ears hear and our heart is melted as we come into God’s very presence daily whether it be through His Word/word, through music or through nature, He proved it. Truth always wins out for those who seek and search for it while not being swayed by every opinion or emotion that comes our way.

  13. Beloved says:

    Music to God’s ears; I will trust and obeying!

  14. Beloved says:

    Lol obey!

  15. Beloved says:

    Good evening all,

    In our Bible Study we are talking and reading about Gods purpose for our lives, and how God tests and proves us to be people of God just as He did with the Israelites.
    Beyond conspiracy theories Gods ultimate goal is that we know Him, that He is a Good Father and obviously wise enough to know how to deal with hard heads and evil.

    Deuteronomy 8:2-5 2 You shall remember all the way which the Lord your God has led you in the wilderness these forty years, that He might humble you, testing you, to know what was in your heart, whether you would keep His commandments or not. 3 He humbled you and let you be hungry, and fed you with manna which you did not know, nor did your fathers know, that He might make you [a]understand that man does not live by bread alone, but man lives by everything that proceeds out of the mouth of the Lord. 4 Your clothing did not wear out on you, nor did your foot swell these forty years. 5 Thus you are to know in your heart that the Lord your God was disciplining you just as a man disciplines his son

    Psalm 78:12-39

  16. jeff1 says:

    Why is it that some of us rebel against discipline while others take to it like a duck to water.

    Thinking how it is God who knows His children and those who need discipline and those who are disciplined.

    God knows how to bring His wayward children back to the fold as has been His intention but just like my children often misunderstand my intention we also misunderstand God.

    Another hymn from the Reformation service.

    “Speak, O Lord, as we come to You
    To receive the food of Your Holy Word.
    Take Your truth, plant it deep in us;
    Shape and fashion us in Your likeness,
    That the light of Christ might be seen today
    in our acts of love and our deeds of faith.
    Speak, O Lord, and fulfill in us
    All Your purposes for Your glory.

    Teach us, Lord, full obedience,
    Holy reverence, true humility;
    Test our thoughts and our attitudes
    In the radiance of Your purity.
    Cause our faith to rise; cause our eyes to see
    Your majestic love and authority.
    Words of pow’r that can never fail-
    Let their truth prevail over unbelief.

    Speak, O Lord, and renew our minds;
    Help us grasp the heights of Your plans for us-
    Truths unchanged from the dawn of time
    That will echo down through eternity.
    And by grace we’ll stand on Your promises,
    And by faith we’ll walk as You walk with us.
    Speak, O Lord, till Your church is built
    And the earth is filled with Your glory.”

  17. SFDBWV says:

    This subject is all over the place and so, hard to center on. Conspiracy theories, the devil, events of the last supper, the crucifixion, events of the garden, the actual events, events in the news and events in our lives.

    Who is to blame, who to credit, who is actually in control.

    How it fits into our life right now.

    I have already stated that in my opinion all of the events in Biblical history are in concert with the will of God and done so to produce and showcase Jesus as Lord and God as the ultimate force in existence.

    Is that as a result of a conspiracy theory or as a result from reading the story (Bible) and seeing theme?

    I believe it to be the theme of the Bible.

    Satan is a created being, notwithstanding a spirit being, but still a created being. One being. He is not omnipotent, nor omnipresent, he can only deal one on one and has no power over God. In fact he has no power over us.

    He ask to sift Peter; he had to ask permission of God. He was only able to bring disaster to Job, after God gave him permission. He only entered Judas after Jesus told Judas to go and betray Him.

    Is God so petty that He is susceptible to being goaded by false accusations about any one of us?

    I don’t think so.

    Our skewed views of God comes from our skewed view and our ability or inability to see right and wrong, good and bad. A result of having eaten from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

    How we see everything comes from a composite of genetics, education, experience, our present situations and our desires.

    Conspiracy theories can be fun to explore, as long as we remember to think of them as “theories”.

    Bible study can also be fun; as we look for “truth” there are also a lot of little abstract bits of knowledge to explore along the way. Usually meant to enforce the truth from a different approach.

    35 degrees and clear, snow still on the ground.


  18. jeff1 says:

    With conspiracy theories there is always an escape goat and the buck gets passed around not so unlike the garden who was to blame Adam, Eve or the tempter.

    That’s why so many like conspiracy theories because there is no one accountable and the present day is like that because the truth is we are not so unlike our original parents in that we can always find someone else to blame as I recall the times I blamed my mum for being over protective of me for me being the way I am.

    Faith is what pleases God, knowledge leads us into all kind of divisions and why if I am reading scripture for knowledge I will not find God’s truths because God wants us to read scripture for encouragement of our faith and the work of the Holy Spirit aligns us with His truths.

    God doesn’t hide from me but I play a good game of hide and seek hiding from Him and that is down to the fact that I know I am accountable to God and though He knows just where to find me He is patiently waiting for me to come to Him.

    Blessed assurance, Jesus is mine!
    Oh, what a foretaste of glory divine!
    Heir of salvation, purchase of God,
    Born of His Spirit, washed in His blood.

    This is my story, this is my song,
    Praising my Saviour, all the day long;
    This is my story, this is my song,
    Praising my Saviour all the day long.

    Perfect submission, perfect delight,
    Visions of rapture now burst on my sight;
    Angels, descending, bring from above
    Echoes of mercy, whispers of love.

    Perfect submission, all is at rest,
    I in my Saviour am happy and blest,
    Watching and waiting, looking above,
    Filled with His goodness, lost in His love.

  19. poohpity says:

    One of the very big conspiracy theories that the reformation addressed was the church at that time was telling people if they bought their way, with money, they would not go to purgatory. So Luther was bent on getting the bible into the hands of the common folk so that they could read for themselves that belief in Jesus was the only way not to go to purgatory.

  20. foreverblessed says:

    I really like the picture Mart put there!
    It reminds me of trying to paint trees reflecting in the water. As a drawing itwaswas ok, but painting it, I couldn’t get it. In the real the trees are quite straight, the reflection in the water gives interesting bends. But that was so hard to paint!
    In the conspiracy theory we believe the reflections, which are crooked, but nonetheless, we believe them easier than the real Truth. Which is straight.

    When we will see ” face to face” 1 Cor 13:12,
    then we will hardly believe why we didn’t understand before: that God is all love,

    And now these three remain: faith, hope and love.
    But the greatest of these is love.
    v 13

  21. jeff1 says:

    It’s not surprising I hide from God when I know I have hatred in my heart because it is so alien to God.

    I know God has forgiven me but I am still far removed from what His child should be.

    I envied my dad because he never knew what it was to have hatred in his heart and now I know why because he submitted his will to God and so God had changed him from the inside out. He was always ahead of what was going on around him because he put his trust in God first and did not rely on his own understanding.

    Martin Luther’s intentions were good in making the bible accessible to all but there are too many who become knowledgeable of it for the wrong reasons and I live in a country that is proof of people of one religion using it against another and the outcome is not a good one as history here tells us.

    God never intended that we use the bible as a weapon but as guidance and encouragement and so why we get so many interpretation’s as many just want to know scripture to prove their point to another rather than what God intended it for.

    I have to examine my own heart and my own motives before I read the bible or I will not come away with God’s truths but my version of God’s truth which is where conspiracy theories come from in the first place through false understanding of God’s word.

  22. SFDBWV says:

    Foreverblessed I thought your “view” of the abstract or skewed view of “conspiracy theory” was excellent. Well done.

    As many of you may recall my comments about a dream I had several years ago where who appeared to be our Lord answered all of my why questions and they all made perfect sense. Only when I went to repeat them to Matthew, I couldn’t remember them and most importantly it no longer mattered.

    Knowing all things are made clear and that they are perfectly sensible is enough, faith and trust will have to do for now.


  23. SFDBWV says:

    Good morning Viv, well it is morning here and still dark.

    In this anniversary of Martin Luther’s birth of the protestant religion I read an interesting article where a call was put forward to reconnect the protestant with the catholic, just not the “Roman Catholic”.

    I am reminded of the man who brought independence from Spain to South America, Simon Bolivar. He is quoted as saying that from his death a thousand dictators would rise from his coffin.

    Indeed there has never been peace nor unity in South America since his death.

    In my humble opinion there will never be peace nor unity in the Christian community as long as personal interests are the driving force and not the interests of Christ.

    Always remembering it was Paul who brought Christ to Rome and from Rome His message was distributed throughout the world.

    Not because Rome was important, but because “all roads lead to Rome” and from those roads the Gospel traveled everywhere.

    Hope you have a “super excellent day”.


  24. jeff1 says:

    In my humble opinion there will never be peace nor unity in the Christian community as long as personal interests are the driving force and not the interests of Christ.

    I think my country is proof of that statement Steve and what my dad knew was happening here because he had put God first in his life.

    I believe God divides to conquer because he knows our weaknesses as my dad was very much on his own when he was putting God first.

    God is faithful even though I do not deserve Him to be.

    In Christ alone my hope is found,
    He is my light, my strength, my song;
    This Cornerstone, this solid Ground,
    Firm through the fiercest drought and storm.
    What heights of love, what depths of peace,
    When tears are stilled, when strivings cease!
    My Comforter, my All in All,
    Here in the love of Christ I stand.

    In Christ alone! – who took on flesh,
    Fullness of God in helpless babe.
    This gift of love and righteousness,
    Scorned by the ones He came to save:
    Till on that cross as Jesus died,
    The wrath of God was satisfied-
    For every sin on Him was laid;
    Here in the death of Christ I live.

    There in the ground His body lay,
    Light of the world by darkness slain:
    Then bursting forth in glorious day
    Up from the grave He rose again!
    And as He stands in victory
    Sin’s curse has lost its grip on me,
    For I am His and He is mine-
    Bought with the precious blood of Christ.

    No guilt in life, no fear in death,
    This is the power of Christ in me;
    From life’s first cry to final breath,
    Jesus commands my destiny.
    No power of hell, no scheme of man,
    Can ever pluck me from His hand:
    Till He returns or call me home,
    Here in the power of Christ I’ll stand.

  25. foreverblessed says:

    Jeff, thank you for the song! I must say that you choose songs that so clearly sound the Gospel of Christ!
    I should memorise them, and imprint them in my heart, so as not to be deceived by thoughts that say: “you are not good enough, you have not done enough good”
    I should be connected to Jesus!
    What I AM is good: a child of God

  26. foreverblessed says:

    Thank you Steve, I liked your thoughts on Oct 31, 6.29 am:
    God is in control, there happens nothing if He does not allow it!

    There is also the story of David, counting the fighting man
    1 –
    Satan rose up against Israel and incitedDavid to take a census of Israel 1 Chronic 21:1

    So it was Satan who did it.

    Again, the anger of the Lord burned against Israel, and He invited David against them, saying, “Go and count Israel and Judah.”
    2 Sam 24:1

    So there can be many disputes among Christians,
    As in this case, the one can say:
    Satan did it, and the other can say:
    God did it.

    Both are right!

    I believe that Satan is accusing us day and night, if God would not protect us, things would be a lot worse, as you have stated before too, Steve.

    But God always knows what can be turned for the good, because of the Cross of Jesus!

  27. poohpity says:

    That first Passover night as the blood of the lamb was put unto the frames around the doors that housed God’s people to protect them from the angel of death, it was not the people inside who were perfect, nor did everything right or would never fail or rebel, it was the blood of the spotless lamb that covered them.

    The deceiver would have people believe that it is their behavior that earns God’s love and forgiveness thus preventing them from the ability to show mercy and grace to others by keeping a close eye on those things that are wrong rather than on the blood of the Lamb.

    People have always had the choice to do what is merciful, right and humble but after coming to believe one now has the power and desire also to do what is merciful, right and humble rather than listening to those who would lead us down a wrong path. But How are we able to tell the difference? Through learning, hearing and leaning on God’s guidance and direction. That is what reading the bible teaches us.

  28. poohpity says:

    Paul taught Timothy that; “All Scripture is inspired by God and is useful to teach us what is true and to make us realize what is wrong in our lives. It corrects us when we are wrong and teaches us to do what is right. God uses it to prepare and equip his people to do every good work.”(2 Tim 3:16-17) Not to use it against others that is the job of the deceiver, accuser but to teach the person reading it.

  29. poohpity says:

    So that we do not fall for conspiracy theories and false teaching.

  30. jeff1 says:

    Forever, The hymns and songs are very much with what I was brought up with and I choose them because I need to get them into my head so that other voices cannot disturb the peace I get from hearing them.

    As a child I can remember my mum bought me an Elvis LP record called ‘His hand in mine’ and it had the most beautiful of songs on it such as ‘in my father’s house’,
    ‘mansion over the hilltop’, ‘milky white way’, to name a few and so all through my life when in great solace I find songs lift me and restore me so that I can continue to trust God.

    What a Godly gift, songs, poetry and music are and what a heart for God those who write or perform them in such a way as to open our hearts to God to share and enjoy to His glory.

  31. Beloved says:

    Conspiracy theories-
    Thinking of the Holocaust and how some groups are saying that it never really happened. Absurd! There’s too much physical proof and eye witness accounts to make history just ‘go away’. Same with the gospel accounts of the death and resurrection of Christ. Yet we have a choice to believe what we want to believe.

  32. jeff1 says:

    Yes, God gives us the free will to choose and so choosing to trust Him regardless of conspiracy theories is for believers what we are called to do because He cannot depend on those who choose not to believe in Him nor can we force people to believe in God nor does God expect us to.

    It is your and my walk of faith that God is pleased with as so many have fallen away or never believed to begin with and so it is about continuing to trust God whatever our circumstances bring because God does not forsake us whatever conspiracy theories say and we have God’s word on that as he is with us from the cradle to the grave and thereafter.

  33. SFDBWV says:

    Yes God gives us “free will”, but only if it does not conflict with His will.

    Just *one* example out of many is the story of Balaam. If some example of Scripture is needed.


  34. Beloved says:

    When I said earlier we have a choice I was thinking of choice between believing the truth or a lie. 2 Timothy 4:4 king James Bible
    And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables

  35. Beloved says:

    I just listened to a teaching by Del Tackett “When World’s Collide” that speaks of the differences between what we believe about ourselves (post-modern worldview) vs a Godly world view (metanarrative). We are so influenced by the culture I believe it’s vital to know and study scripture to understand the mind of God. By choosing to learn and listen to Him those of us and especially some like myself who did not grow up with any Christian influences aside from scattered influences from various churches need to steep ourselves in the Word. When I choose to skip a half day even of not reading/talking to God it’s amazing how quickly those cultural conspiracy myths jump right in to fill the void. Does He ever leave me? NO! Not ever, but what I think about or even pay attention to can cause me great confusion- distress even, unless I choose to change my focus. Balaams donkey, lol, that I am sometimes!

  36. poohpity says:

    God never forces His will on anyone. The only way one would know that to be true is to know what His will is for our lives. Free will is the only way we can choose God, He would never force Himself on anyone to love or trust Him.

  37. poohpity says:

    Balaam “refused”(choice) to say what God had not said. God did not make him.

  38. poohpity says:

    Actually God did not even want Balaam to go with them to curse Israel but he went anyway.

  39. poohpity says:

    God’s will is relational. The bible teaches that God’s will is for us to be in a relationship with Him and with others. If one reads the 10 commandments that is what they all lead to relationship with God and how to treat others.

  40. poohpity says:

    Micah 6:8 NLT

  41. Beloved says:

    John 15:16New King James Version (NKJV)

    16 You did not choose Me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit, and that your fruit should remain, that whatever you ask the Father in My name He may give you

  42. SFDBWV says:

    Pooh I never read anything you have to write for a reason. You are contentious and argumentative. I have no interest in being either.

    You may think that is how people talk with each other but it is not how civil people communicate at all.

    So I challenge you to disagree with me that in spite of every sin you have ever committed against God and man by your own free will, that it has condemned you to hell.

    No, in spite of you being you, God’s will trumps yours as you were “predestined” to be saved from hell. In spite of yourself and your attitude.

    You need not expect me to read your response, because I won’t. Ignoring you is the only way I can stay at BTA.


  43. Beloved says:

    Personally I think we all know by now that no one here knows/interprets scripture properly, especially me! Sometimes it’s wise just to read comments with a grain of salt, and let them dissolve into the great void of the unknown. Better than letting them upset you and spoiling your day!

  44. Beloved says:

    BTW, the doctrine of free will has been debated for centuries, no need to debate here if feelings get involved. Right?

  45. poohpity says:

    Steve, it makes me sad that you blame me for something that was not meant to be contentious or augmentative but solely based on what we are taught in the bible. If you feel that God’s will is imposed on us without us having any say so, then show me the facts that support that false teaching. If you were familiar, which is available to everyone, with the bible you could see that God is interested more in our relationship with Him and with others. If you think anything different then show me rather than attack my character as a person. That only shows that conspiracies and personal accusation are more important than truth.

    Disagreeing with someone is not meant as a personal insult unless that person feels that they know everything and have nothing further to learn. I did not attack your character but I do want to give another option to consider or another way of thinking but people do have a choice who they listen to and I hope they listen to God through His word and not our individual opinions.

    Compare what is said against what the bible teaches. See which is bent on truth or human understanding.

  46. poohpity says:

    Oh by the way the bible does teach us what is God’s will for us for instance Jesus who is God incarnate says He came to seek and save the lost. So isn’t that His will? Steve you show me what God’s will is, not according to Steve. You will not answer this because you just do not know, just as you never answer any of the questions about the bible I ask you, ever. Then blame the lack of answers on feelings toward me when it is really because you just do not know.

  47. Beloved says:

    Prayers for peace from this part of the country.

  48. Beloved says:

    Poohpity why do you pursue for years and years someone that does not want to speak to you? Doesn’t it feel a bit demeaning for you? I know I for one am tired of this craziness. Please leave Steve alone!!! He has stated numerous times that he will not read or respond to you. He hasn’t until today and then feels attacked by you. Whatever the reason for his response his message to you has been consistent for as I said YEARS.

    Whether someone responds to bible quizzes is up to them, not you. Its called free will, personal choice, even wisdom! Sheesh

  49. Beloved says:

    For my friends overseas “sheesh” is a word for exasperation over the absurdity of an annoying problem that doesn’t seem to respond to normal thought processes.

  50. poohpity says:

    Beloved, what I say to Steve has always been done out of a deep respect, love and care for him and his family. Just because I do not agree with some of the things he writes does not take away from how I feel about him which it would be nice if he would not take the disagreements so personally as if I am insulting him rather than presenting different ways of thinking.

    As for you putting your two cents in when it is not asked for, which often is done out of a lack of understanding and accusations that are just not true and since this is a public forum where we are invited to share our differing ideas NOT our opinions on another’s personality it should not be a problem under any other circumstances.

  51. Beloved says:

    Thinking disrespect is often a reason to choose our friends wisely. If I love and care for someone, really, I will respect their boundaries, as God respects mine in my relationship with Him. If not, troubles ensue. As a blog member and witness to the events here I believe I have the right to comment on the shenanigans here as well as the good and interesting topical comments.

  52. cbrown says:

    Beloved,thank you.

  53. foreverblessed says:

    Dear dear friends, may Body peace be with you, always, may we learn not to let go of it, whatever happens!
    This is a very good place to train that : staying in the Shelter of the Most High.
    Psalm 91:1
    What I have thought for a long time: there is a great probability that we are dealing with a case of autism!
    Does that ring a bell?
    With great respect I say this, so.eone who has is is just as great value as anyone else. Only those who do not have it, have to learn to deal with it.
    May we stay in God’s peace whatever happens!

  54. foreverblessed says:

    Body… I really did type: God’s.
    It is obvious I did not proofread before posting.
    But I did pray: God bless this message!
    May it bring peace.

  55. SFDBWV says:

    Because the word “theory” is an unsettled view of whatever it is attached to, its basics are left to interpretation.

    Any time we, any of us interpret we do so from a very personal base.

    The Bible does not have the word “theory” within its pages.

    Every “story” is presented as fact and it is to be received as fact.

    It is recorded that God is not the author of confusion, 1 Corinthians 13:33 KJV.

    Confusion comes when we are unsure, unsettled, unsatisfied, with whatever answer we are presented with.

    Again, it is not the devil, but we who are the “enemy” of our very selves.

    I could all too easy go into a long discussion about Adam and Eve and the events of the Garden, but let me just say that though they did not have the advantage of having a Bible to guide them, what they did have was the presence of God.

    All Eve needed to do was bring the issue to God before making up her mind as what to believe. Or by even discussing it with Adam and then together bring the issue to God for clarification, but they decided to move forward without direction from God.

    We still are guilty of doing the same thing.

    If you ask God for answers concerning Himself, or His Word He will give you answers. If you don’t like the answer, you will form a hypothesis or theory that sounds better to you.

    Hebrews states that it takes faith to please God. Exercising faith is not as easy as saying it, but sometimes faith is the only answer we get for the time being and that is no theory.

    45 degrees and rain this morning.


  56. SFDBWV says:

    That is 1 Corinthians 14:33 KJV , see foreverblessed we all can make typing errors.


  57. poohpity says:

    Beloved, you are right. It was disrespectful towards you to talk about your two cents and I apologize.

  58. Beloved says:

    Thank you pooh but I wasn’t referencing disrespecting me but how you disrespect Steve by ignoring his boundaries.

  59. poohpity says:

    He did not tell me not to respond but that if I did he would not read it. Talk about confusion and chaos.

  60. poohpity says:

    That was what I was saying about not understanding and accusations that are not true.

  61. Beloved says:

    I appreciate the effort pooh.

  62. Beloved says:

    As I said yesterday, this has been going on for years. You even mentioned that Steve NEVER answers you about bible references. Never. Doesn’t that tell you he isn’t interested in exchanging bible verses with you? Why do you assume it’s because he doesn’t know/read the bible? I certainly don’t get that idea from his posts. He is very knowledgeable of scripture, just doesn’t want to turn it into a personal verse fight. I respect his holy respect for the word of God.

  63. poohpity says:

    Well Beloved after I respond to this last one I will go back to the topic. Even though you were not here as long as Steve and I have been, it was Steve himself who said that he has never read the bible as much as he has since he has been on this blog because the topics prompted him to have to read to think about what Mart had wrote. I did not assume anything. I listened to what he wrote. It is also from comments that one who is familiar with them at all can tell.

    But it is not a bad thing to not know scripture because 19% of Christians do not read their bibles and admit to that or to admit one does not understand something, there is nothing wrong with that at all. It is to me a little deceitful to lead others to think that one is a bible scholar or goes to church and not tell them that is not true. It is not the fact of not knowing or hearing but it is about not being honest about it but again we are each answerable to God not each other. No matter what we do or who we are it is OK to be honest and real.

  64. poohpity says:

    Oops that is only 19% of professing Christians actually read their bible daily. That is from the pew research group.

  65. jeff1 says:

    I believe my dad took the right approach in reading his bible only for encouragement and guidance because my friends would get into arguments as to who was right after reading their bible and that is not what God intended. If we disobey then we bring confusion on ourselves and blame everybody but ourselves for doing so but my dad stayed clear of controversy because he obeyed God.

    My dad made his faith look simple through obedience while I complicated mine through disobedience so I create my own confusion when I question God’s authority proving that what God wants is for me to trust and obey because as Steve says it is faith that pleases God.

    When I don’t have the right relationship with God then my others relationships suffer and that is why God demands I put Him first because He knows the consequences of not doing so and therefore God is not being controlling but protecting me from myself and others who do not know better than He does.

  66. poohpity says:

    Viv, you are right it is not about who is wrong and who is right in reading the bible it is about getting to know God and ourselves better. The reason that is so important is because we will not be swayed buy every teaching that comes our way and to be able to identify and prevent falling prey to “The Accuser. The Great Deceiver. The Father of Lies. The Enemy of our souls.”.

    Our struggle is not against each other although some make it that way but “so that you can make your stand against the devil’s schemes. For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this world’s darkness, and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.”

  67. Beloved says:

    Since the thread is going in a direction opposite of conspiracy theories thought I’d add my 2 cents here. Reminded of the Crusades, you know those who decided it was their way or die? Well, Im thinking if those soldiers sitting high up on their steeds had gotten down there would have been more chance for meaningful dialogue rather than the damage caused by charging ahead with swords drawn. Oh forget the charge, its free.

  68. Beloved says:

    Whether one is honest and real, or not, is personal choice and judging someone’s honesty or realness is up to the individual and not anyone else, no matter how you feel about it. Let God be God in peoples lives. His ways are perfect. Ours, not so much.

  69. poohpity says:

    If we are not honest and real how do we experience the real love and grace of God for who we are or is it just about impressing other people?

    As we are still speaking of conspiracy theories that is one of the lies the deceiver tells us that God can not love us just as we.

  70. poohpity says:

    That also shows a fear of rejection like if someone knows who I really am they will not like me. But eventually the masks come off and the truth comes out.

  71. Beloved says:

    I think being honest and real- as far as we are able to be before God is always good. The danger with being honest and real before others is judgement -I’m not that bad- or being put up on a pedestal, either by onesself or others. I’ve seen in Christian groups where the realness of the individual is so overpowering it actually leaves Jesus out of the picture altogether, as pride of self takes over as admirers swoon. As far as conspiracy theories go the self is the worst of them all.

    Anyway, please pray for me as I’ve lost my best friend to the world’s ways. This is so painful, may God be glorified in my suffering.

  72. poohpity says:

    I always told my children if people do not like you for who you are they are really missing out on knowing someone special. Christ died for us to be who He made us to be and we do not have to fall into peer pressure to be something we are not.

  73. street says:

    ACTS adoration confession thanksgiving supplication.
    A living prayer my God to Thee

    that which is prayed for.

    the heart longing for God

    thinking of confession a little bite different tonight,…how many times do i have to confess that i am not and He Is? there is great comfort in knowing HE IS.

  74. SFDBWV says:

    “Conspiracy Theories”.

    I was just thinking about how when we most often think of people who are “conspiracy theorists” we picture something of a rather odd or peculiar person. A little off center.

    In fact the more I think of it such people tend to be compulsive in their pursuit of the truth.

    “Conspiracy” denotes a collusion or group of people involved in conspiring together for a particular reason.

    In the Kennedy assassination, the official declaration that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone just never resonated with the public, and so the birth of multiple “theories” rose up and still remain.

    Common sense would tell anyone that the release of any “secret” government papers isn’t going to expose any information that would agree with any of the many “conspiracy theories” out there and even the truth won’t be accepted. Only what some people want to believe.

    Segueing into the subject being connected to events in the Garden of Eden or at the Last Supper. I would say the same applies.

    People are going to be more comfortable with their own personal view of “truth” in spite of facts.

    This is human nature, and such is to be remembered that our nature is God created.

    We do have a foe and it is disobedience and unfortunately we are all burdened with a parochial view of everything.

    37 degrees under a huge full moon.


  75. jeff1 says:

    God limits our view for good reasons and why faith is what pleases God.

    I apologise for going of topic but I watched a programme last night and related to my country and it is as if God was speaking to me as I listened to the words exchanged between an IRA man and a retired Police Officer.

    The retired Police Officer now working for the American police discovered the IRA man was staying at an hotel as he was part of a group selected to meet with Government officials on the peace process here.

    He broke into his room and held him at gunpoint and recalled the nightmares of his past and threatened to kill him.

    The IRA man had been responsible for his colleges being blown to bits and the police man described in detail how the flesh of the victims had blown on to him and I was almost in the room with the policeman wanting him to waste the IRA man.

    After an exchange of words the IRA man convinced him that for the sake of his sons future he should allow him to live so that he could help discuss a way forward through the peace process.

    The next scene showed the Police Officer’s boss arriving and knocking on the IRA mans door to see if he was all right and when he asked him if his officer had attacked him he replied I never seen him before in my life.

    The truth is that God often turns warriors into peacemakers and for me personally that is a hard pill to swallow having known personally and also related to members of the Security Forces here.

    Just as the soldiers of World War 1 & 2 sacrificed for our freedom then it follows that those fighting in present wars do so for the future of our children and that’s what makes the pill swallow able because I love my children and want the future for them to be different from what I grew up with because hatred and violence has no place in the future of this world and I believe that is God’s will because when the Good Friday agreement was voted on here I voted No because I did not want to see terrorists in Government here but my dad who fought in World War 2 voted Yes for the Good Friday agreement having the insight to see that it takes the sacrifice of one generation in order for there to be a hope of reconciliation for the next.

  76. Beloved says:

    Jeff1 that is fascinating what you learned last night. Good Friday, makes me think of hope for all and reconciliation because of Jesus. So great to see and hear Gods will for love and peace being worked out in the world. And in your heart. Bless you my dear.

  77. Beloved says:

    Thank you street for showing me how to pray for my friend- that she would have a heart that longs for God. Its the cry of my heart.

  78. poohpity says:

    Viv, that has everything to do with our topic and a prime example of it too!!

  79. poohpity says:

    As in listening to the deceiver or whatever one calls him, who causes such hatred and separation or listening to God who causes restoration and reconciliation. God is relational and He knows we still have much to learn but He never gives up on us.

  80. street says:

    listening to the deceiver

    remembering in Genesis 3:15 that the deceiver would bruise His heel, of the seed, but He would bruise his head. some day the deceiver will have no influence in the coming Kingdom.

    Matthew 5:8
    Blessed are the pure in heart,
    for they will see God.

  81. foreverblessed says:

    Jeff, that was awesome! That story made an impression on me, good to think about.
    Every man will stand before God some day.

    Nobody will enter heaven who has not been deeply sorry for what they have done in the flesh.
    That is God’s business. To see to that, He is more than capable of doing so.

    Joyce, I pray for you, and the one you mourn about.
    What a sad thing that is, I have many around me, and I know the feeling!

    But this verse gives me hope, and reason to pray intercessory prayers for them:

    Those who does with tears
    will reap with songs of joy

    Psalm 126:5

  82. foreverblessed says:

    Those who sow in tears
    will reap with songs of joy
    Psalm 126

  83. foreverblessed says:

    Ha ha, for our own sakes it is good to read that Psalm again!
    Especially the ‘joy’ part!
    Think of it: Joy
    Real joy, abundant joy, godly joy!

  84. Beloved says:

    Joy in every circumstance, thanks.

  85. Beloved says:

    Thinking about the deceiver and the pure in heart. Listening to and lamenting the unfulfilled longings of my heart tonight I said Lord, who else would I go to only you have the words of life. The deceiver shrinks away like the wicked witch from the Wizard of Oz when I cry Jesus. Yes, only the pure heart can see God.

    He’s always available. And He always wins the battles, every one of them.

  86. poohpity says:

    foreverblessed, you are so correct in saying, “Nobody will enter heaven who has not been deeply sorry for what they have done in the flesh.” then I wonder how come so many are often are so concerned about what others do? I wonder if that is not a deterrent from seeing what we each have done ourselves to be feel that deep sorrow? If one doesn’t recognize the amazing grace shown to them then they will not be deeply grateful which prompts one to show it to others.

  87. poohpity says:

    Psalm 67

    May God be merciful and bless us.
    May his face smile with favor on us. Interlude

    May your(God’s) ways be known throughout the earth,
    your saving power among people everywhere.
    May the nations praise you, O God.
    Yes, may all the nations praise you.
    Let the whole world sing for joy,
    because you govern the nations with justice
    and guide the people of the whole world. Interlude

    May the nations praise you, O God.
    Yes, may all the nations praise you.
    Then the earth will yield its harvests,
    and God, our God, will richly bless us.
    Yes, God will bless us,
    and people all over the world will fear him.

  88. SFDBWV says:

    The young are saddled with youthful curiosity and the old with regret.

    Psalms 126 speaks of the joy when Israel was freed from the captivity.

    A young man might ask why Lord, do we have to suffer tears before we can rejoice.

    A wise man might answer by saying we can’t truly appreciate joy until we have tasted tears.

    Regardless the Psalm does give us a sense of hope.


  89. Beloved says:

    Habakkuk 3:12NIV In wrath you strode through the earth
    and in anger you threshed the nations.
    13 You came out to deliver your people,
    to save your anointed one.
    You crushed the leader of the land of wickedness,
    you stripped him from head to foot.
    14 With his own spear you pierced his head
    when his warriors stormed out to scatter us,
    gloating as though about to devour
    the wretched who were in hiding.
    15 You trampled the sea with your horses,
    churning the great waters.
    16 I heard and my heart pounded,
    my lips quivered at the sound;
    decay crept into my bones,
    and my legs trembled.
    Yet I will wait patiently for the day of calamity
    to come on the nation invading us.
    17 Though the fig tree does not bud
    and there are no grapes on the vines,
    though the olive crop fails
    and the fields produce no food,
    though there are no sheep in the pen
    and no cattle in the stalls,
    18 yet I will rejoice in the Lord,
    I will be joyful in God my Savior.
    19 The Sovereign Lord is my strength;
    he makes my feet like the feet of a deer,
    he enables me to tread on the heights.

  90. Beloved says:

    Pooh Oswald Chambers says if we come across someone we deem to be not quite as good/smart/etc as we think they should be to remember that they are to us as we are to God! Isn’t that an amazing way to look at it? I really like that analogy a lot. He also says when we see someone who is different from the ideal standard to say, “That man or woman is perfect in Christ Jesus!” Oh if we could only grasp that we who are in Christ are actually more alike than different. Love conquers all!

  91. poohpity says:

    Hopefully we will not judge people according to what we think in the first place but I know human nature prevails often before the nature that God has placed in us does. I think the deception comes from thinking that there is a ideal standard other than what God thinks about His creation.

  92. jeff1 says:

    I think the good news is that when I see it from the right perspective then I no longer am as hard on myself as having been brought up strictly and failing left me feeling inadequate whereas now I can enjoy my faith knowing that God loves me because of who He is and not because who I am.

  93. Beloved says:

    Well said.

  94. poohpity says:

    Viv, exactly.

  95. Beloved says:

    Blessed are you who mourn, for you shall be comforted. Grieving with families and friends over the killing of 26 Christians in worship this morning in Texas, USA.

  96. jeff1 says:

    I heard it on my local radio this morning, Beloved, such a tragedy, our thoughts and prayers are with them. Such terrible times we live in and so hard to understand what makes anyone do such a terrible deed.

  97. Beloved says:

    I thought I’d share a very timely devotion I just got from Pastor Colin Smith:

    What Genuine Love Includes
    Monday, November 6, 2017

    Abhor what is evil; hold fast to what is good. Romans 12:9 (NIV)

    If you love what is good, you will abhor the evil that destroys it. If you love truth, you will hate lies. If you love peace, you will hate war. To abhor evil is part of loving what is good.

    Notice God says, “Abhor what is evil.” He does not say, “Abhor the person who is evil.” It’s what, not who.

    Peter Kreeft, a Catholic writer, makes the point: “Abortionists, homosexual activists, pornographers, school boards, and the media are not the enemy. They’re victims of our enemy.”

    The Bible says, “We do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over the present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in heavenly places” (Eph. 6:12).

    It would have been easy for Christians in Rome to think: If we could just get rid of Nero, we’d be done with the problem. But the problem was not Nero. Behind Nero there were dark powers.

    The song “O Church, Arise” says this well: Our call to war, to love the captive soul, and to rage against the captor. We are not called to rage against the captive soul. We are to love the captive soul, and to rage against the captor, that is Satan, our enemy. That is our call to war and it’s really important that we understand it.

    It is very difficult to win people to Jesus if you have branded them as “the enemy.” Our calling is to reach out to every person and to seek to win him or her to Jesus.

  98. poohpity says:


  99. SFDBWV says:

    Matthew 24:37 KJV “But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.”

    Genesis 6:5 KJV “And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.”

    Genesis 6:6 KJV “And it repented the Lord that He made man on the earth and it grieved Him to His heart.”

    Genesis 6:7 KJV “And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repented me that I have made them.

    Genesis 6:8 KJV “But Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord.”

    Keep your eyes on the Lord and be ever watchful, for He will come as a thief in the night. Be ready.

    Prayers for the families in Texas who are involved.


  100. poohpity says:

    You left out he best part Steve in Genesis 9

    “I establish My covenant with you; and all flesh shall never again be cut off by the water of the flood, neither shall there again be a flood to destroy the earth.” 12God said, “This is the sign of the covenant which I am making between Me and you and every living creature that is with you, for all successive generations; 13I set My bow in the cloud, and it shall be for a sign of a covenant between Me and the earth.…”

    Yes keep our eyes on the Lord and abide in Him so we will not be in fear when we stand before the Lord;

    Luke 21 “But watch yourselves, or your hearts will be weighed down by dissipation, drunkenness, and the worries of life—and that day will spring upon you suddenly like a snare. 35For it will come upon all who dwell on the face of the whole earth. 36So keep watch at all times, and pray that you may have the strength to escape all that is about to happen and to stand before the Son of Man.”…

    1 Thess 5 But you aren’t in the dark about these things, dear brothers and sisters, and you won’t be surprised when the day of the Lord comes like a thief. For you are all children of the light and of the day; we don’t belong to darkness and night.

  101. jeff1 says:

    I believe the responsibility on me is to keep my eyes on the Lord because waywardness is what causes me to doubt God’s goodness as I am NOT listening to God’s voice but all the other voices that crowd my mind.

    Stability of mind kept my dad from wandering from God’s truths while I struggle to keep my mind focused and conspiracy theories are what disturbs my peace in God.

    I’m only human, I’m just a woman
    Help me believe in what I could be
    And all that I am
    Show me the stairway I have to climb
    Lord for my sake, help me to take
    One day at a time

    One day at a time sweet Jesus
    That’s all I’m askin’ of You
    Just give me the strength
    To do everyday what I have to do
    Yesterday gone sweet Jesus
    And tomorrow may never be mine
    Lord, help me today, show me the way
    One day at a time

    Do you remember when you walked among men
    Well Jesus you know
    If you’re lookin’ below, its worse now than then
    Pushin’ and shovin’ and crowdin’ my mind
    So for my sake, teach me to take
    One day at a time

    One day at a time sweet Jesus
    That’s all I’m askin’ of You
    Just give me the strength
    To do every day what I have to do
    Yesterdays gone sweet Jesus
    And tomorrow may never be mine
    Lord, help me today, show me the way
    One day at a time

  102. SFDBWV says:

    As the stories unfold about the victims of the Texas shooting I get more and more sick to my stomach.

    When I hear yesterday that the shooter died from a self-inflicted gunshot, I laughed. Not because he reportedly killed himself but because of our subject “conspiracy stories”.

    Immediately I thought that the “authorities” have spared the citizen who shot it out with this killer the agony and legal problems had he been the cause of the shooters death.

    It would be their way of protecting him.

    Such is the birth of “Conspiracy theories”.

    I read this morning of a mother who tried to shield her four children, she was killed along with two of her children.

    I then thought of women who abort their unborn children for their convenience. And of the difference between the two.

    It is reported the shooter was a vocal atheist and one of the reasons he targeted a church service where his estranged girlfriend’s family attended.

    Had the man lived, I can’t think of an appropriate “punishment” as he can only die once. That is unless you believe in the second death as recorded in Revelation. Whereas the unsaved are resurrected to eternal punishment.

    You might ask when this madness will end. It won’t end with “gun control “only when our Lord returns to reign and rule will the madness end.

    For now things will only get worse.


  103. poohpity says:

    Assuming that the authorities lied about the self inflicted gun shot to the head to protect the man who shot him from legal problems is just how conspiracies theories start. The man who shot the madman shot him twice when he came out of the church if that had been the lethal shot then the madman would not have been able to drive the five miles from the scene that he did or call his father because a shot to the head would have immediately killed him. I am sure that ballistics and forensics showed that the kill shot came from the gun of the madman. It is amazing how we can find out truth from science.

    Just as Peter teaches us we can find out truth from what is written in scripture in 2 Peter 1 teaches about authentic believers then in 2 Peter 2 teaches about the counterfeit. Satan seems to plant deceivers along side those who are truly followers of Christ that the Lord will one day separate and if left to us we might cast out the wheat and keep the tares.

    Matt 13 “Here is another story Jesus told: “The Kingdom of Heaven is like a farmer who planted good seed in his field. 25 But that night as the workers slept, his enemy came and planted weeds among the wheat, then slipped away. 26 When the crop began to grow and produce grain, the weeds also grew.

    27 “The farmer’s workers went to him and said, ‘Sir, the field where you planted that good seed is full of weeds! Where did they come from?’

    28 “‘An enemy has done this!’ the farmer exclaimed.

    “‘Should we pull out the weeds?’ they asked.

    29 “‘No,’ he replied, ‘you’ll uproot the wheat if you do. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest. Then I will tell the harvesters to sort out the weeds, tie them into bundles, and burn them, and to put the wheat in the barn.’”

  104. jeff1 says:

    In a world so familiar with ugliness let us turn to the one who reminds us of what is the opposite to it and wonder in His awesomeness.

    Let us not allow the works of Satan to destroy our joy in His Salvation and Redemption.


    Verse 1:
    O Lord my God, when I in awesome wonder,
    Consider all The worlds Thy hands have made;
    I see the stars, I hear the rolling thunder,
    Thy power throughout the universe displayed.

    Then sings my soul, my Saviour God, to Thee,
    How great Thou art! How great Thou art!
    Then sings my soul, my Saviour God, to Thee,
    How great Thou art! How great Thou art!

    Verse 2:
    When through the woods, and forest glades I wander,
    And hear the birds sing sweetly in the trees.
    When I look down, from lofty mountain grandeur
    And hear the brook, and feel the gentle breeze.

    Then sings my soul, my Saviour God, to Thee,
    How great Thou art! How great Thou art!
    Then sings my soul, my Saviour God, to Thee,
    How great Thou art! How great Thou art!

    Verse 3:
    And when I think, that God, His Son not sparing;
    Sent Him to die, I scarce can take it in;
    That on the cross, my burden gladly bearing,
    He bled and died to take away my sin.

    Then sings my soul, my Saviour God, to Thee,
    How great Thou art! How great Thou art!
    Then sings my soul, my Saviour God, to Thee,
    How great Thou art! How great Thou art!

    Verse 4:
    When Christ shall come, with shout of acclamation,
    And take me home, what joy shall fill my heart.
    Then shall I bow in humble adoration,
    And then proclaim, “My God, how great Thou art!”

    Then sings my soul, my Saviour God, to Thee,
    How great Thou art! How great Thou art!
    Then sings my soul, my Saviour God, to Thee,
    How great Thou art! How great Thou art!

  105. poohpity says:

    Blessed be the servant that is found faithfully doing the works of God until the Lord comes again. Then they will not have to worry about when that time is because they will have enough oil for their lamps and they will be prepared when the Lord comes to get His church.

    There will be no need to fall prey to conspiracy theories or false teaching because they know the truth and it has set them free, preparing them for eternity.

  106. jeff1 says:

    I don’t think it is for us to know what God is doing in the world but to listen for His voice so that I am aligned with His will and not wandering from His truth which is what leaves me open to false teaching and conspiracy theories.

    God is faithful to His children and will set them free because it is His will to do so and not because of their righteousness which falls short of His Glory.

    Known only to Him are the great hidden secrets
    I’ll fear not the darkness when my flame shall dim
    I know not what the future holds
    But I know who holds the future
    It’s a secret known only to Him

    In this world of fear and doubt
    On my knees I ask the question
    Why a lonely, heavy cross I must bear
    Then He tells me in my prayer

    Its because I am trustworthy
    He gives me strength far more than my share

    Known only to Him are the great hidden secrets
    I’ll fear not the darkness when my flame shall dim
    I know not what the future holds
    But I know who holds the future
    It’s a secret known only to Him

  107. poohpity says:

    Sec Carson’s mother died and she taught her children not be victims but to accept responsibility for their behavior with this poem;

    Yourself to Blame by Mayme White Miller

    If things go bad for you
    And make you a bit ashamed
    Often you will find out that
    You have yourself to blame

    Swiftly we ran to mischief
    And then the bad luck came
    Why do we fault others?
    We have ourselves to blame

    Whatever happens to us,
    Here is what we say
    “Had it not been for so-and-so
    Things wouldn’t have gone that way.”

    And if you are short of friends,
    I’ll tell you what to do
    Make an examination,
    You’ll find the faults in you…

    You are the captain of your ship,
    So agree with the same
    If you travel downward
    You have yourself to blame

  108. jeff1 says:

    I have been praying all my days that God is Captain of my ship regardless of my bad choices and mistakes in life and God knows I have made many but God doesn’t give up on His children which seems to be what is so difficult for many to understand and I expect it is because the attitude of many is so alien to God’s.

  109. poohpity says:

    I think what she was saying in her poem by being the captain of her ship is she can fall pray to being a victim or make a different choice by accept personal responsibility rather than blame. God does not control all that we do nor do we do all that God would like us to do, so is He really the captain of our ship? Most often it looks like He is just the name we put on our own ship but we do not follow His lead in believing who we are to Him, or how much He cares for us or how we are to care for others.

  110. Beloved says:

    My Utmost Nov. 7 was very encouraging.

  111. jeff1 says:

    Pooh’s post 7.20 pm

    While God does not control us He is with me prompting me to make the right choice and when I fail to it is He who is patient and waits for me to learn from my mistakes but what do I do I beat myself with a big stick believing that God wants to punish me instead.

    What I have been taught does not align with what I know about God and so my mind is where the struggles are in knowing God better because my heart tell me one thing but my head tells me another!

    It’s God who know His children and not us that knows Him but I was brought up in a country where one religion claims to know better than another and look how that has turned out with Protestants believing that Roman Catholics are going to hell and vice versa.

    My dad trusted God and he knew God didn’t select people by their religion but by their attitude and willingness to not just see the greater good but be willing to sacrifice themselves for it.

  112. poohpity says:

    Viv, I did not say anything about God punishing us because we do not do what He says. The 7:20 post was about blame. I guess one would have to know the story of Dr Ben Carson and the faith of his mother to see how the poem about blame fits in.

    Many people come to know God and have a close relationship with Him. They do not lean on the religious institutions or the thoughts, opinions of others but go to Him directly and intimately although we may not see Him we can experience Him in our everyday lives not through anyone else.

  113. Beloved says:

    Viv I just read your post at 5:31 and thought of something Jesus said in John 10:27-30(ESV)

    27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me.

    28 I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand.

    29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand.

    30 I and the Father are one.”

    Isn’t that just wonderful to know!!

  114. jeff1 says:

    I didn’t say Pooh that you said anything about God punishing us but rather that my beliefs over the years have effected my mind that I fear God is punishing me.

    I feel in my heart that God is not punishing me but my mind tells me differently and I cannot erase the memories that make me think that way.

    I have experienced God in my life many times and it is those times that I long for but the ghosts of the past do come back to haunt me.

    As regards my religion I belong to a church that as always focused on Christ so I am blessed in that way and I also have leaned on others when struggling with my own faith and I am thankful that God has put people in my pathway that have been an encouragement and support to me and so for me my problems are all in my head and what makes my relationship with God and others difficult to experience in the sense that I have difficulty with what is reality to me and what is not.

  115. foreverblessed says:

    Good morning everyone!
    I had enough of this subject, so I did not comment anymore.
    But I do appreciate talking with each other, encouraging one another in our faith!
    I hope that is allowed.

    Jeff, I have seen a documentary Ruby Wax has made about herself and her family:
    ” Who do you think you are?”

    I thought it is a good one for you, if you can find it on YouTube, just watch it.
    I believe that she shares your problem, as you call it: unstable mind.
    For me it was good to see it. And I was thinking, if your mind is stable, as your dad was, is it then easier to have faith? Is it more difficult for people with unstable minds to have faith?
    It is the same God who saved all of us. Isn’t it true that God is able to handle everything that has gone wrong in us?

    Easy said, of course.

  116. foreverblessed says:

    Easy said!
    Last Sunday we had a preacher who started with his easy the theory of our faith is.
    But then something dramatic happens in our lives, and then…
    The trying and testing of our faith that happens.
    He talked about what happened in his family: they had lost two grandchildren, one at the age of two years the other, half a year.
    Easy words; God is always with us, beside us, when we go through the valley of the shadow of death.
    Psalm 23:4
    No matter how deep life is, Jesus goes deeper,
    These are Corrie ten Boom words, and these words where tried and tested, and she came out as gold!
    Like Job!

  117. foreverblessed says:

    The preacher said right in the beginning: we all came out of it better, my child are doing fine, although the loss remains, but God is there, indeed.

  118. foreverblessed says:

    We will all be tried and tested!
    That’s why we pray the Lord’s prayer:
    And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one
    Matthew 6:13

    when we are tempted, make that we will not forget You.

    I pray this for Bubbles!

  119. poohpity says:

    I was a very inquisitive child brought up in an era when children were taught to be seen and not heard. I asked questions about the inconsistencies in what I saw and what the adults said, so I questioned my reality also, even when they told me different I know what I saw. It had to come down to learning to trust my gut not what people say but what they do because often they do not match up so well.

    I let my children always ask and then when they noticed inconsistencies which children are so good at noticing truth, I was honest so as to never make them question their reality but to get the whole story rather than just getting a snapshot of the puzzle pieces without putting them all together. Hopefully they grew up and do not make snap opinions without getting as many facts as are available before they form their conclusion. That often takes time and patience but hopefully they are now able to think for themselves in a world that seems so bent on telling people what to think even through deception but asking questions to sort things out.

    Even in the garden our first parents relied on the hisss of something that was bound even until this day to lead people away from God not to Him.

  120. poohpity says:

    I can imagine what the response would have been if Adam and Eve asked the serpent what his motivation was for telling them something different than what their creator had told them but the serpent relied on temptation to lure them away from truth to satisfy their own pride.

    I wonder if you were not right Mart about the deceiver being the most deceived of all. Deceived into thinking that he would win the battle over the hearts and minds of people so they do not trust and rely on God. It does seem that way when we see all that is going on around us because we do not see behind the scenes but are told that eventually when we stand before God that the accuser had no chance because truth always wins out maybe not right away but in the end.

  121. Beloved says:

    Good morning all.

    Deceived or not it comes down to Jesus asking “Who do you say that I am?” No theory can stand if we believe who Jesus is. If we don’t believe Him, we ARE prey for whatever comes along, (LORD knows there is no shortage of voices in the world, real or otherwise-Eve heard two), and truly deceived.

    On the other hand, we can know Jesus and still turn away, as we see many times in the Bible-Judas for one- and as I have seen personally. Sad when that happens, yet despite the sadness God’s plan for redemption flourishes! I’m so happy for God that His new creations are bringing glory to Him while living in perilous and treacherous times even.

    Bless the LORD, oh my soul. May all that is within me bless His holy name, Yahweh.

  122. jeff1 says:

    My mother used to say that the truth rises i.e. it cannot stay buried and that to me means that if I have lied about something in the past either to others or myself it comes back to haunt me until I face it head on.

    There are killings here that have never been solved and why a peace settlement is difficult with each side blaming the other for what happened.

    The truth has to come out one way or another because those who have lost loved ones through violence cannot find peace until it does and so my mother is right if someone is hiding an evil act it will come out in the end because it is God’s will that it does.

    The same goes for myself if I am bearing grudges or hatred for anyone I have to bring them to God so He purges me of it and renews me from within so that I am changed from this creature that I am.

  123. street says:

    With the release of the Kennedy Assassination Papers, we may find ourselves in the mirror.

    yes, how we see things is how we see ourselves. thinking we really are mirrors and we were made to reflect the Glory of God.

    Some of us are drawn to conspiracy theories. Some of us aren’t.

    this is very true. God draws the elect to His Son and He receives them and shepherd’s them. He loses none of them.

    Am wondering whether every culture has its own examples of tragic events that divide citizens between those who believe the official story, and those who don’t.

    yes, every culture has it’s day of truth as well as individuals. happy are they that find the narrow way. the way of grace and truth. the way of grace and mercy. the way of faithfulness and forgiveness.

    What is apparent, is that alternative versions of “the truth” have been around from the beginning. According to Genesis, conspiracy theories seem to have born with the leak that our Father is not as good as he wants us to believe.

    we find that the Father is better than we ever have imagined or apprehend. revealed through a Son, Who is like His Father. paul said we knew Him, God in the flesh, but now we know Him not in the flesh. hidden in Christ.

    We refer to that source by different names. The Accuser. The Great Deceiver. The Father of Lies. The Enemy of our souls.

    can a leopard change it’s spots? can a seed bear fruit unless it falls to the ground and buried?

    However we refer to him, he seems to be trapped in his own version of the truth. Why else would he inspire Judas to betray Jesus? If The Deceiver isn’t the most deceived of all, why— after all that had already happened— would he walk into such a sting?

    walking in darkness and not in the light.

    Even though the unforeseen events that followed gave birth to more conspiracy theories, and then even to conspiracy theories about conspiracy theories, seems to me that the truth has been leaked like an unending river.

    yes!!! this river does indeed flow. our source of comfort strength and redemption! leaked? He can move the mountains! change spots to blessings!

    Look at what the most tragic of all deaths says about purposes, tactics, and self-deception of the rebellion— and about the heart of the One who has come to our rescue! What exposes our inherited resistance to our Father more than our family’s unwitting determination to kill him? What exposes the heart of our Father more than what he let us do… to assure us that he still loves us?

    thinking back to to adam and eve willing to die to be like God. God said ok, but you have to do it my way. God not only permits man to die God also accepts the terms for Himself to restore man to his rightful place. no boasting in man here, unless it is in Jesus, Who saves us from such a great darkness. self

    And now… In the fog of national and personal circumstance, what can we learn from history’s ultimate smoking gun? Can the story of what really happened on that Passover night, help us see what might actually be going on behind the scenes of the tragic events in our own lives?

    little lost on the smoking gun metaphor. self…killing the truth daily. teaching us to come and eat and drink without cost. serve all with selfless abandon. 2 mites. hope for the Coming Glory to be revealed out of the tragedies of our circumstance.

  124. jeff1 says:

    You soared so high, you flew so far
    It felt like you could fly beyond the stars
    But is indeed like life to let you down
    And leave your heart in pieces on the ground

    When sparrows fall from lofty heights
    When wings aren’t strong enough for flight
    When sparrows fall and dreams lay shattered
    And all hope is out of sight
    God saw the climb
    He sees the crawl
    He’ll pick you up
    When you may call
    He cares for you
    He sees it all
    When sparrows fall

    The bitter winds can start to blow
    And stormy skies can rock your very soul
    And you wonder how you wound up in this place
    With such an overwhelming need for grace

    When sparrows fall from lofty heights
    When wings aren’t strong enough for flight
    When sparrows fall and dreams lay shattered
    And all hope is out of sight
    God saw the climb
    He sees the crawl
    He’ll pick you up
    When you may call
    He cares for you
    He sees it all
    When sparrows fall

    So don’t ever think your sorrows go unnoticed
    For our Lord is well acquainted with your grief
    And even when you think you’re all alone
    He’s there to break you’re fall and whisper peace (sweet peace)

    When sparrows fall from lofty heights
    When wings aren’t strong enough for flight
    When sparrows fall and dreams lay shattered
    And all hope is out of sight
    God saw the climb
    He sees the crawl
    He’ll pick you up
    When you may call
    He cares for you
    He sees it all
    When sparrows fall….
    When sparrows fall….
    When sparrows fall….

  125. street says:

    Matthew 5:1-20

    Jesus never said it would be easy.

    1 Peter 4:17-19

    17 For the time has come for judgment, and it must begin with God’s household. And if judgment begins with us, what terrible fate awaits those who have never obeyed God’s Good News? 18 And also,

    “If the righteous are barely saved,
    what will happen to godless sinners?”

    19 So if you are suffering in a manner that pleases God, keep on doing what is right, and trust your lives to the God who created you, for he will never fail you.

  126. foreverblessed says:

    Then it is a matter to find out, what is the manner to suffer that pleased God.
    Is it the manner that pleased God, or the suffering that pleased God? If we suffer because of foolish decisions or sinful behaviour, it does not please God that we suffer, I think.

    Anyway, last night was the commemoration of the Kristallnacht, ( if you search on that word on wiki you will find the event of November 9, 1938)
    A Jewish boy had murdered a German diplomat in Paris, out of frustration from the discrimination of Jews by the Germans.

    Then Goebbels thought to use this to punish the Jews, the party members were instructed to go and attack Jewish homes and businesses. In the documentary Ruby Wax made it is shown how the synagogue where her parents were married was burned on that night. She visited the spot in Vienna, and it is a empty square. The building is gone, and nothing rebuild.

    These people were brainwashed into conspiracy thinking, unbelievable!
    But it can happen again!
    That’s why I don’t like the lying, and the “alternativ e facts” thing that is going on in the US. Street asked if every nation has it, well there seems to me a lot of lying going on before avatar breaks out, I remember Milosovic who started to talk about the Serbian nationality, and against the Bosnian people, do you remember how he would stir tension between nationilities? It was absurd, but it went on and on. And hatred is being build up, till the war starts.

    The same happening in the Ukraine a few years ago, against the east part of that country, that has many Russian citizens. Now they are still in a war, not much we hear about it.

    So last night I went into town, for that ceremony, and walked with a group from the Catholic church to the Synagogue, with little lamps, and a singer singing German songs walking in front, and from there to a Turkish community, as the organisers thought that the Islamic people could also be the new outcasts. The ones seen as evil.

    God must be crying a lot!

    But, as Mart wrote, the ultimate solution in the Cross of Christ, redemption and a New Life

  127. foreverblessed says:

    Avatar, oops: a lot of lying going on before a war breaks out. The other party is portrayed as evil.

    We had this in our country in 2001- 2002, a new politician came on the screen, telling all the things that were wrong in our country, and people liked it, he got very popular. But he would treat his fellow politicians with blunt contempt, and people liked it! Terrible it was! At that time I thought, now I understand Nazi Germany, these things could easily happen in my own country, people being swept up by a popular politician.
    I remember that I worried a lot about it, and prayed a lot, and then something great happened, while praying in a housegroup, God showed me I should be like a little child, playing in the garden, who trusts her parents to take care of the household business!
    The man was murdered just before the election, his party was elected, and became part of the new government ( we have coalition government). Within a year this party fell apart by internal fights.
    And the whole new movement from this guy died out.
    Now we have Wilders, but this is contained.

    I should remain as a little child playing in the garden of my Father, the Omnipotent! The Great Shepherd!

  128. jeff1 says:

    So true, Forever, my mum would say my childhood was the best days of my life when I would walk around in her high heels trying to be the grown up, life has taught me how my mother knew what she was talking about.

    Lead me oh Lord, won’t you lead me
    I am tired and I need Thy strength and power
    To guide me over my darkest hour
    For just open my eyes that I may see
    Lead me oh Lord, won’t you lead me

    Lead me, guide me along the way
    For if you lead me I cannot stray
    Or just open my eyes that I may see
    Lead me oh Lord, won’t you lead me
    I am lost if you take my hand from me
    I am blind without Thy light to see

    Lord just always let me Thy servant be
    Lead me oh Lord, won’t you lead me
    Lead me, guide me along the way
    For if you lead me I cannot stray

    Lord just open my eyes that I may see
    Lead me oh Lord, won’t you lead me

  129. poohpity says:

    Although the people of other countries are satisfied with a government running their lives as how children are that parents do it but our nation used to be different because “We The People” were to be self governing. We do not have monarchies in power ruling the people generation after generation leaving out the will of the people. Of course for those who listen to the conspiracy theories that the biased media often tells, facts are often hard to come by, so the people listen like mindless robots never searching for that river of truth that is never ending. Most would rather be deceived than to know the truth.

  130. poohpity says:

    Of course any nation ruled by people and not God were warned centenaries ago what their lives would be like but still the people did not listen and asked for a king and turned away from God being their King and depended on man. Nothing much has changed in thousands of years as people still continue to turn away from truth.

  131. poohpity says:

    Truth is like rock and lies are like shifting sand but most people would rather build their lives on the sand being tossed to and fro by whatever conspiracy theory comes their way.

  132. poohpity says:

    “If We Are Honest”

    Truth is harder than a lie
    The dark seems safer than the light
    And everyone has a heart that loves to hide
    I’m a mess and so are you
    We’ve built walls nobody can get through
    Yeah, it may be hard, but the best thing we could ever do, ever do

    Bring your brokenness, and I’ll bring mine
    ‘Cause love can heal what hurt divides
    And mercy’s waiting on the other side
    If we’re honest
    If we’re honest

    Don’t pretend to be something that you’re not
    Living life afraid of getting caught
    There is freedom found when we lay our secrets down at the cross, at the cross

    So bring your brokenness, and I’ll bring mine
    ‘Cause love can heal what hurt divides
    And mercy’s waiting on the other side
    If we’re honest
    If we’re honest

    It would change our lives
    It would set us free
    It’s what we need to be

    So bring your brokenness, and I’ll bring mine
    ‘Cause love can heal what hurt divides
    And mercy’s waiting on the other side
    If we’re honest
    If we’re honest
    If we’re honest

  133. Beloved says:

    Forever reading further Peter explains the difference in suffering like Jesus did. I peter
    …19For if anyone endures the pain of unjust suffering because he is conscious of God, this is to be commended. 20How is it to your credit if you are beaten for doing wrong and you endure it? But if you suffer for doing good and you endure it, this is commendable before God. 21For to this you were called, because Christ also suffered for you, leaving you an example, that you should follow in His footsteps

  134. Beloved says:

    Sorry that reference is in I Peter 2:19-21. I hope you don’t mind my speaking for street, just Bible references.

    I picture the walk you mentioned forever. Beautiful to have peaceful assembly for righteousness sake. Bless you, Joyce

  135. Beloved says:

    Forever there is a team from our church waiting for the border to open up again as they have been preparing for a while now to go into Turkey. Visas and plane flights ready to go then this. So so good to hear you are ministering Jesus love to the immigrants there!

  136. Beloved says:

    Well, on second though that was rather presumptuous of me to think I could answer for street! Who am I to know what he would say? Oh boy, thanks God for the stick poke.

  137. jeff1 says:

    I watched a programme as to why conspiracy theories are being believed about the Vatican and it is down to the fact that it cloaks itself in secrecy so much so that when a Pope died after 33 days in succession and he was in good health they would did not invite the Italian police into investigate and the police have no authority to enter without an invitation.

    There was also a banker killed under suspicious circumstances and the Vatican gained enormous wealth from his death because of his closeness to them.

    Of course people believe what they want and the only way to let people see that there is nothing to hide is openness and if there is nothing to hide then why not be open.

    In my personal life I am not always open with people and usually I believe I have good reasons because if I told people exactly what I thought I doubt if anyone would be speaking to me but the truth is who am I to judge others when most of the time I am just making assumptions because I do not know everything about people nor they me.

    The one thing I have learned I cannot know people by their behaviours nor they me because I am not constant in how I behave anymore than they are which is why relationships are difficult because we have to put up with each others moods when we are in close relationships.

    It is allowing each other to be imperfect as life is difficult is what nurtures friendships that last a lifetime.

  138. foreverblessed says:

    I am glad that this Pope still lives.
    Indeed, I myself found the death of that Pope you talked about Jeff, very suspicious!
    This Pope went to Sweden for celebrating the start of the Luther year last year, with Protestants. I thought, wow, they are going to rehabilitate Luther, but no…
    Not yet…

  139. foreverblessed says:

    Thanks Beloved for your scriptures!
    They say so huge things.
    And yet, we as Christians cry and weep when things go against us. As Street said, we were never told it would be easy.
    But you hardly find preaching that we should rejoice while suffering!

    1 Peter 2:9
    But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood,
    a holy nation, a people belonging to God,
    that you may declare the praises of Him who called you out of darkness I to His wonderful light.

    V11-12 Dear friends, I urge you as aliens and strangers in the world, to abstain from sinful desires, which war against your soul, live such good lives among the pagans that, through they accuse you of doing wrong, they may see your good deeds and glorify God on the day He visits us.

    Talking about conspiracy! People will advise us of doing wrong! But Peter says, continue doing good, so we may glorify God!

    But what do we do? We cry out in dismay, how people misuse us…Instead of thinking about these recommendations of Peter.

    And I will repeat these verses again, Beloved, I type them out one by one:
    18 Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh.
    19 For it is commendable if a man bears up under the pain of unjust suffering – BECAUSE HE IS CONSCIOUS OF GOD.
    20 But how is it to your credit if you receive a beating for doing wrong and endure it?
    But if you suffer for doing good and you endure it, this is commendable before God
    21 To this you were called, because Christ suffered for you, LEAVING YOU AN EXAMPLE, that you should follow in His steps.
    “He committed no sin, and no deceit was found in His mouth” Isaiah 53:9
    1 Peter 2:23-25 When they hurled their insults at Him, He did not retaliate, when He suffered, He made no threats.

    Instead He trusted Himself to Him who judges justly.

  140. SFDBWV says:

    In Flanders fields
    By Lt. Col. John McCrae

    “In Flanders fields the poppies blow
    Between the crosses, row by row,
    That mark our place; and in the sky
    The larks, still bravely singing, fly
    Scarce heard amid the guns below.

    We are the dead. Short days ago
    We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
    Loved and were loved, and now we lie
    In Flanders fields.

    Take up our quarrel with the foe;
    To you from failing hands we throw
    The torch; be yours to hold it high.
    If ye break faith with us who die
    We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
    In Flanders fields.”

    Remember today, and those who gave all they had to give.

    14 degrees and clear.


  141. poohpity says:

    Today we celebrate the men and women who are veterans. Those who joined our military to fight for our freedoms and the freedoms of others around the world, not only fight but rebuild, feed and rescue people, transport goods and services, provide medical treatment, power lines, protection and various other services to mankind. Thank you for your service.

  142. poohpity says:

    Steve aren’t the poppies of Flander’s field more for Memorial day rather than Veteran’s Day? Just curious.

  143. Beloved says:

    Forever those verses are so encouraging and helpful. This morning I’ve been studying Colossians and it says our lives are hidden in Christ. There is so much to that word “hidden”. One of those is suffering as Christ did without shame. As we observe veterans day here in the USA I think of valiant warriors suffering also without shame for what they believe in; freedom to live, worship, and speak about whatever they believe in.

    Even though we are now living in a post-Christian era prayer warriors keep the battle fresh and ongoing. The “hidden” battle between good and evil continues in the light of Christ, the Captain of our souls, our Redeemer from death.

    Blessings to all veterans now gone and living. And also thinking of the suicide rate among Vets here, which is so high here since the last few wars, leaving victims of another kind to suffer their losses too personally.

  144. Beloved says:

    According to the Veterans Affairs Admin. roughly 20 suicides A DAY since the Iraq war. What price freedom? That’s the rhetorical question of the ages.

  145. SFDBWV says:

    Pooh only for the purpose of informing any who aren’t familiar with the poem or its use let me explain.

    Leut. Col. John McCrae was a member of the First Canadian Contingent, he died in France on January 28, 1918 after 4 years on the Western Front.

    The poem he wrote is usually recited whenever Veterans are remembered, but today was once called Armistice Day as it was the end of WWI on November 11, 1918 at 11am.

    The poem is very appropriate for this day of remembrance.

    I do hope this satisfies your curiosity.


  146. Beloved says:

    Psalm 139:1-24 reveals the heart of a warrior with a heart for God. I’m sure the locals of David’s day could come up with many conspiracy theories not unlike how things are today, yet the Truth always wins out, the greatest win being the birth of the Savior from the line of David.

  147. poohpity says:

    What I was curious about was I thought the poppy spoken of in the poem was used on Memorial day not veterans day?

  148. SFDBWV says:


    Once an official explanation for any act, event or occurrence is given, whether by a government, a news source or even a friend, the explanation is offered but to trust it to be accurate is left up to the ones hearing or reading it.

    The matter is no longer in the hands of the giver, but now in the hands of the receiver.

    Here lay the whole “problem” between God and man.

    Do we believe God or make up a different theory that sounds better and do we conspire together to do so. Making a god of our own choosing rather than the God of Truth?

    Trust takes work from both sides and is an enormous responsibility from the giver, because once trust is violated it is nearly impossible to re-establish it fully.

    For some even the death of the most precious of all isn’t proof enough of “truth”.

    24 with some clouds this morning.


  149. Beloved says:

    Trust-. I often remember what Jesus said about it, that He didn’t trust because He knew what was within the heart of man. But He loved us still. And told us to even love our enemies! For His name’s sake! We can so easily deceive ourselves into thinking love covers all, yet knowing the Truth will set us free from all that, free to be better and do better because of Jesus, the Way, Truth, and the life Who is above all and through all.
    Preaching to the choir here I know lol!

    All I really care about when someone proves untrustworthy is, do they know Jesus, because whether I like them or not is not a question in the Kingdom. It’s love that matters, patience key. Thanking God He is patient with me because I am woefully ignorant of loving the way God loves. But I’m trusting He will teach me more, since it is His will to do so.

  150. SFDBWV says:

    At the conclusion of WWII General of the Armies Dwight Eisenhower ordered that photos and pictures were to be taken of the Nazi death camps because “future generations” will want to believe this never happened.

    Incredibly less than only a few decades went by before people began to not believe of the attempted genocide of the Jew.

    In spite of all of the documentation, today the number of people who believe that it either never occurred or that the numbers have been inflated continue to increase.

    The heart of man leans toward wanting to believe the lie instead of the truth. The community of Christian believers is not exempt from this disease, though it should be, it isn’t.

    No shortage of people who will believe they are “right” and everyone else is wrong, in spite of all the evidence to the contrary. Especially within the “church”.


  151. Beloved says:

    I think Steve that being “right” is part of the delusion were given, much like Pharaoh in Moses time, until we learn obedience to God.

  152. Beloved says:

    Same weather report here in Mn as in WV Steve, its warmed up nicely as it was negative 6 F one day recently. Weather is so relative as is truth, (small “t”). What feels good one day could have felt bad a few months ago (July). What’s KNOWN today could or could not be conspiratorial. (SIGH)

  153. Beloved says:

    I think arguing about minor things is annoying and pointless, don’t you agree Steve?

  154. Beloved says:

    Especially among adults, that is. (Adding more thoughts to my 11:48 post). When a child is inquisitive it means they are bright and want to know, although sometimes it can be attention-seeking until they learn they are not the center of the universe. Though some never learn especially if their growth and development are interrupted by trauma, whether physical, psychological, or drugs. Then the adult has to relearn over time (as have I) how to meet my own needs as a ‘childhood interrupted’ so to speak for safety, security, and love. The need can appear endless yet with the love of God through Christ Jesus there’s always that abiding hope and Presence to get you through the day, hour or minute. He’s amazing!

  155. SFDBWV says:

    Joyce in an extraordinary day of my ability to be here, I can only say that yes I agree with you that arguing about minor things are pointless and annoying.

    In fact it is destructive, immature and inane and has no place in the body of Christ. Which is why Paul warned us of strife and of those who bring it.

    Apart from that, our weather is warming up also. It has been a rollercoaster of wet, dry, cold warm all year. Which reminds me of another “conspiracy theory”, “climate change”.

    Hoping you have peace all day.


  156. Beloved says:

    As a matter of fact something triggered me today so am dealing with grief and fear and sadness -which will pass-but your blessing is encouraging, thank you for being here today.

  157. jeff1 says:

    A reminder for us here in Northern Ireland that many do not have peace in mind was a pipe bomb in my home town which resulted in the poppy laying ceremony at the cenotaph being cancelled.

    When my mother spoke of gorilla war fare being the worst kind I understand what she means while one side here sees those who plant bombs as terrorists there are many from the other side who claim they are freedom fighters.

    Whose to blame is what makes way for conspiracy theories and Ireland and England have a long history and I am sure that they both did their share of not doing what is right and as Sir Winston Churchill would say when we don’t learn from history we are doomed to repeat it and this country is an example of a great warriors words coming true.

    The younger generations would say that my generation would seem to have selective memories and why I believe that it will take their generation to take the peace process forward because they don’t have the memories we have that makes us critical and unforgiving.

    I can tell myself and God I forgive but the reality is more that I forget rather than forgive because an incident like the pipe bomb brings it all flowing back and I am right back in history wondering how I ever got got to taking sides since I never was a political or religious person.

    I can answer that by saying that living and seeing only hatred and violence from a young age effects you mentally and you don’t see the world as others see it and I am glad that my children’s perspective are very different to mine because it takes a different mind set to move forward and why this country is not able to is because those in power are from my generation and recriminations and conspiracy theories are what they use to stay in power rather than allowing those who could do a better job take the reigns.

    I don’t want to see a younger generation repeating history and I don’t believe they will because the time is right for change with Ireland and England coming closer since the Queen visited Ireland and the response from the people was a warm one.

    Terrorists or freedom fighters need the peoples support to carry on their campaign but if the authorities are doing what is right then they will loose the support of the people and see a future in a shared future which is what I believe the younger generation are capable of delivering and stopping the repetition of history that dooms this country.

  158. SFDBWV says:

    Good morning Viv. Sad that on such a solemn occasion as your Poppy laying ceremony one individual gets to ruin it for everyone else.

    No nation, no peoples, not anywhere where there are people gathered together is safe from that situation of one person ruining it for everyone else.

    It all falls to “self”. Nobody who would be concerned about their “neighbor” would place a pipe bomb at such a gathering, just as no sensible person would just walk into a church and execute men, women and children as happened here in Texas.

    Or randomly shoot concert goers as happened in Las Vegas about a month ago.

    The motive will always be “self” as self only thinks of itself. They think they have a right to do whatever it is they want to do at the expense of everyone else. Because everyone else just doesn’t matter, not to them.

    It is difficult not to let such people or occurrences ruin things for us, but somehow we have to get to that point of not letting their behavior ‘soil” us while at the same time recognizing it for what it is and “flushing” it out of our communities.

    Hoping your day is a very blessed one.

    35 degrees f with fog and drizzle.


  159. poohpity says:

    Don’t the bombings, shootings or any attacks on others all start with hate, anger, thinking less of others and that they have no right to exist? I wonder when I think of it that way, how guilty am I of harboring that within my own heart towards others which Jesus explains is the same as murder. I can pronounce judgement on them wanting the full extent of the law yet I cry for mercy for myself.

  160. jeff1 says:

    Pooh, those who attack others are the ones who harbour hate and anger and that is why they can carry out their deeds because they don’t consider God’s way but their own.

    It is for me to keep my heart right with God by bringing my battle with hatred to Him and allowing Him to change it from within.

    Then God will know that I do not want to do as my enemies do but that I want to be changed from this creature that I am and with His help I believe I am.

    If I don’t believe God can work in me then what is the point in believing in Him?

  161. Beloved says:

    Proverbs 15:18 The laws of man are from God and meant to keep peace and order, just as all authorities are appointed by God. God only can judge, yes, and He judges with mercy or wrath depending on whether hearts are repentant or proud. Often times we judge ourselves by our conduct or behavior bring down righteous judgement for our sin, and God uses people to do that. There is no cheap grace in Gods kingdom, it came with a heavy price and all are sinners, rulers-judges and authorities, but they have their position and place just as in the Church. Contention, strife, quarrelling have no place in the Body just as on the street where they may lead to worse things happening.

    Viv I haven’t heard about the bombing but I’m so sorry you have to deal with that again. Praying for you. Joyce

  162. poohpity says:

    Hate and anger are hate and anger no matter whether it is acted on or held inside it causes destruction. It destroys our relationship with God and with others no matter how one twists it to make it seem that it is OK or justified. God has the final truth about it no matter what I think and I believe what He says and God has a lot to say about it if anyone cares to know.

  163. street says:

    thinking about the broken world and broken man. broken laws and broken words. the darkness is truly great. yet when i think of john mentioning a solder piercing the side of our dead Messiah, blood and water flowed from this dead Messiah? the blood was shed for sinners, not the blood of a sinner. the water flowed too! washing and Grace, not fire. when something came into the camp of Israel it had to pass through the water or the fire. yet the blood and water flowed from a dead Savior. Life and Grace!!! how much more with a Resurrected LORD?!!!

  164. jeff1 says:

    I went to a special service in church for Remembrance Sunday and as always the hymns were beautiful and I found they lifted my mood from the grim news of the morning, darkness and light and thank God for the light that lifts us out of the darkness.

    Be still, my soul: the Lord is on thy side;
    bear patiently the cross of grief or pain;
    leave to thy God to order and provide;
    in ev’ry change He faithful will remain.
    Be still, my soul: thy best,thy heav’nly Friend
    thro’ thorny ways leads to a joyful end.

    Be still, my soul: thy God doth undertake
    to guide the future as He has the past.
    Thy hope, thy confidence let nothing shake;
    all new mysteries shall be bright at last.
    Be still, my soul: the waves and winds still know
    His voice, who ruled them while He dwelt below.

    Be still, my soul: when dearest friends depart,
    and all is darkened in the veil of tears,
    then thou shalt better know His love, His heart,
    who comes to soothe thy sorrows and thy fears.
    Be still, my soul: thy Jesus can repay
    from His own fullness all He takes away.

    Be still, my soul: the hour is hast’ning on
    when we shall be forever with the Lord,
    when disappointment, grief and fear are gone,
    sorrow forgot, love’s purest joys restored.
    Be still, my soul: when change and tears are past,
    all safe and blessed we shall meet at last.

  165. Beloved says:

    “Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved” the bible says. Yet there will still be wars, rumors of wars and bad behavior. Only Jesus can save us from all that!

  166. Beloved says:

    Thank you Street I’ve wondered about the significance of blood and water from the piercing. it really was Finished, wasn’t it? Grace and truth for sin and deception. The great exchange. In light of troubles all around as I set my eyes on Jesus the troubles grow smaller. Like a helping hand piercing through the mist of the current reality.

  167. Beloved says:

    Psalm 47:10 Viv I love that song, thank you

  168. Beloved says:

    Oops Psalm 46:10

  169. street says:

    And now… In the fog of national and personal circumstance, what can we learn from history’s ultimate smoking gun? Can the story of what really happened on that Passover night, help us see what might actually be going on behind the scenes of the tragic events in our own lives?

    i am not a detective, but i understand that when someone is killed and when an investigation is called for, the last 24 hours of the persons life is closely looked at in the hope of getting clues as to how events played out in such a tragic or difficult ending. clues are everywhere. sleuth on. i find it interesting that a few actually looked into the events and searched it out from the beginning. even more amazing is the preservation of the events in writing 400 years before and after.

  170. bubbles says:

    You can google “poppies at Windsor Castle” and you will see poppies that were hand made for each soldier the British lost in World War I. Princes Harry, William, and Charles laid wreaths of poppies at a WWI monument on Veterans’ Day. I think they are associated with Veterans’ Day. Sometimes veterans are seen at local department stores handing out poppies for Veterans’ Day. Guess we do associate flowers with Memorial Day here. It appears the Queen and others of the Royal family wear poppies in the month of November to remember those they lost in the great war. I don’t know how long they wear them, but they do.

  171. poohpity says:

    Here in the states we have a Remembrance Day like across the pond but we call it Memorial Day, originally called Decoration Day and we mourn for the loss of those who have died serving in the military in May.

  172. jeff1 says:

    I have extracted from the Remembrance Service I attended the Act of Remembrance, Act of Commitment and closing prayer.

    The Act of Remembrance
    As we gather today in hallowed remembrance let us remember all those who laid down their lives in past wars and in the fight against terrorism. Let us pause now to remember all who gave their lives at Waterloo, Crimea, and in the Great War at Ypres, Gallipoli, the Somme, Messines Ridge, Mons and Verdun.
    Let us especially remember today those from the 36th Ulster Division who died on the battlefield of the Somme.
    Remember too, the Western Desert, El Alamein, the Normandy beaches. Remember Korea, the Falkland Islands, Northern Ireland, the Balkans, East Timor, Afghanistan and Iraq.
    Remember the courage, the comradeship, the ingenuity, the spirit of working together for a common cause, the planning together for a better world that would come with peace.
    Remember the all to arms, the patriotic songs, the partings which were such sweet sorrow. The sound of the drum, the skirl of the pipe, the prayer that God would be on our side.
    Remember the carnage; the colossal horror of war.
    Remember the widows of sixty years and more, the old men and women who never knew their fathers.
    Remember the love that was lost, the wisdom wasted, the minds that are still pained by memories.
    Remember the families bereft by recent wars and conflict. Remember this day the children who will die while nations fights nation.

    Remember the One who asked us to remember them.

    Let us now remember before God those who have died for their country in war; those whom we knew, and whose memory we treasure; and all who have lived and died in the service of mankind.

    Act of Commitment
    Lord God, we pledge ourselves to serve you and all mankind in the cause of peace and for the relief of want and suffering. Give us wisdom; give us courage; give us hope; and keep us always faithful, through Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen.

    Closing Prayer
    Teach us Good Lord, to serve you as you deserve; to give and not to count the cost; to fight and not to head the wounds; to toil and not to seek for rest; to labour and not to ask for any reward, save that of knowing that we do your will, through Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen.

  173. foreverblessed says:

    Thank you Jeff, for posting that.
    I will meditate on that.

    Before I read came here, I just read on the BBC that the flat earth society holds a conference that started today in Raleigh, North Carolina.
    I remember my son telling about that society. And was just wandering….
    These people feel so welcome, and feel warm, all of the same thinking. They have watched videos on the social media, hours and hours.
    Talking about being deceived.

    I will pray for these people, that if they are lovely, they will find the Real Friend, Jesus!
    The Creator of heaven and earth!
    Who will bring a new heaven and earth.
    Rev 21:1

  174. foreverblessed says:

    I was wondering, not wandering.
    Well, we all wandered away from God, each in his own way.
    But the Lord has laid the iniquity of us all on Him.
    Isaiah 53:6
    ( I am practicing on the Messiah of Handel. And all these Bible verses are on music, that is so beautiful, and meditative)

  175. foreverblessed says:

    Oh, another auto- correct: those who are lonely, that they will find the Real Friend.
    The ones in that conference, who feel so bonded by the like thinkers.

    Again Isaiah 53:8-9
    By oppression and judgment,
    He was taken away.
    And who can speak of His descendants?
    For He was cut of from the land of the living,
    for the transgression of My people
    He was stricken.
    He was assigned a grave with the wicked,
    and with the rich in His death,
    though He had done no village,
    nor was any deceit found in His mouth.

    v10 Yet it was the Lord’s will to crush Him
    and cause Him to suffer,
    and though the Lord makes His life a guilt offering,
    He will see His offspring and prolong His days,
    and the will of the Lord will prosper in His Hands.

  176. jeff1 says:

    O Father, we would thank Thee
    For all Thy love has given,
    Our present joy of sonship,
    Our future joy in Heaven;
    The life which sin has blighted
    So wondrously restored
    By our mysterious union
    With Jesus Christ our Lord.

    Rich gifts of life and gladness-
    A new and heav’nly birth,
    Baptismal waters flowing
    To cleanse the sons of earth;
    The strength in which to follow
    The steps that Jesus trod;
    And love beyond all knowledge
    Which calls us sons of God.

    O mercy all abundant
    Bestowed on us today!
    O hope of future glory
    Which fadeth not away!
    By God’s great love begotten
    To living hope and sure,
    May we at Christ appearing
    Be pure as He is pure.

    For all Thy gifts, O Father,
    Our hymns of praise arise-
    The love which calls us children,
    The hope which purifies;
    The grace by which we offer
    A service glad and free;
    The earnest of perfection,
    Of fuller life with Thee.

  177. Beloved says:

    Thinking about what may be happening behind the scenes of my own personal tradgedies. That’s huge! I had a strange day.

    I did some errands today and three times I had to wait for people to move before I could move on. Once in a parking lot, a grocery store and then in a thrift store. Each time I had the unusual sense that God had a reason for each event, and I was very calm. I asked God what I was waiting for. He hasn’t answered yet, but I had a great sense that something meaningful was happening behind the scenes for my good. To have a real sense that God is doing amazing things is so peace giving. I may never know what the waiting is about but I’m waiting for something Greater than I can imagine right now. More of God maybe?

  178. Beloved says:

    The waiting “events” were highly unusual today even though the settings do usually require some waiting.

  179. jeff1 says:

    I am not sure why it is I feel this way but it is in the tragedies of life that my closeness to God is so real and overwhelming.

    Why can I not feel near to God when life is good is what baffles me because God is in them and yet I do not feel the closeness that I feel when I struggle with life.

    Perhaps it is because when I look at Jesus and His followers and realize that life on this earth is not meant to be easy that I feel guilty if it is.

    Guilt plays a big part of my life and I believe it is because I spent my younger life not knowing or caring whether God was part of it or not.

    It was in the tragedy of life I found God and perhaps why I need there to be tragedy to feel close to Him.

    Why is God so overwhelming in my sorrows of life and not so in my joys?

    Lord, help me walk another mile, just one more mile
    I’m tired of walkin’ all alone
    Lord, help me smile another smile, just one more smile
    You know I just can’t make it on my own

    I never thought I needed help before
    I thought I could get by, by myself
    But now I know I just can’t take it any more
    With a humble heart, on bended knee
    I’m beggin’ You, please, help me

    Come down from your golden throne to me, to lowly me
    I need to feel the touch of Your tender hand
    Remove the chains of darkness let me see, Lord let me see
    Just where I fit into Your master plan

    I never thought I needed help before
    I though that I could get by, by myself
    But now I know I just can’t take it any more
    With a humble heart, on bended knee
    I’m beggin’ You, please, help me

  180. Beloved says:

    Jeff I know what you mean. It was when I began to understand that ” every good gift comes from God” that I could feel God in the good times. James 1:17

  181. poohpity says:

    When emotions can be so deceptive do we count on them or the knowing that God is near that is more comforting? What does it feel like when God is near?

  182. poohpity says:

    If we feel comfort then we know why Paul spoke of sharing the comfort we ourselves have experienced with others. That warm feeling that everything will be all right.

    “Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of compassion and the God of all comfort, 4who comforts us in all our troubles, so that we can comfort those in any trouble with the comfort we ourselves have received from God.”

  183. poohpity says:

    So we do not fall prey to conspiracy theories or deception we have to know the firm foundation on which we believe that is never shaken or moved even though everything around us is in movement. If we depend on feelings we are often tossed to and fro with every new thing we hear rather than being rooted and grounded in that which we know to be true.

    “May God give you more and more grace and peace as you grow in your knowledge of God and Jesus our Lord.

    By his divine power, God has given us everything we need for living a godly life. We have received all of this by coming to know him, the one who called us to himself by means of his marvelous glory and excellence. And because of his glory and excellence, he has given us great and precious promises. These are the promises that enable you to share his divine nature and escape the world’s corruption caused by human desires.

    In view of all this, make every effort to respond to God’s promises. Supplement your faith with a generous provision of moral excellence, and moral excellence with knowledge, and knowledge with self-control, and self-control with patient endurance, and patient endurance with godliness, and godliness with brotherly affection, and brotherly affection with love for everyone.” 2 Peter 1:2-7 NLT

  184. poohpity says:

    If God promised to never leave or forsake us then when we feel like He has we KNOW that is a lie.

  185. jeff1 says:

    I cannot explain the times when God is near nor can I hold on to them times because it is so overwhelming and very personal. You know that God has touched you in a way you never believed possible and you may never know that closeness again but it is what you hold on to when He does not seem close.

    I am not sure how you share what is spontaneous, overwhelming and mysterious with another but rather they need to experience this kind of intimacy themselves because it is those moments of understanding that brings me closer to God.

  186. Beloved says:

    Feelings are a part of how God made us. Jeff that was lovely to read.

  187. Beloved says:

    Street said “broken people in a broken world”, “a heart longing for God”. Those statements pretty much sums it up, our struggles with our brokenness and our hearts longing for something better. We know God is better. That’s why we seek Him always.

  188. poohpity says:

    Viv, you are so right that it is hard to explain but to know that even when we do not feel like He is close does not mean that He isn’t.

    Yes Beloved feelings are part our humanity but can you ever say that there are not those times when those feelings can not be trusted? Such as feeling that God is not near when we have the promise that although we may not feel it, He is.

  189. poohpity says:

    So do we trust those feelings or God’s promises?

  190. poohpity says:

    Can anything ever separate us from Christ’s love? Does it mean he no longer loves us if we have trouble or calamity, or are persecuted, or hungry, or destitute, or in danger, or threatened with death? 36 (As the Scriptures say, “For your sake we are killed every day; we are being slaughtered like sheep.”[a]) 37 No, despite all these things, overwhelming victory is ours through Christ, who loved us.

    38 And I am convinced that nothing can ever separate us from God’s love. Neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither our fears for today nor our worries about tomorrow—not even the powers of hell can separate us from God’s love. 39 No power in the sky above or in the earth below—indeed, nothing in all creation will ever be able to separate us from the love of God that is revealed in Christ Jesus our Lord. Romans 8:35-39

  191. jeff1 says:

    I think I know it is closeness to God that keeps me the better person and when I wander I feel myself going back to what I don’t like about myself so yes Beloved there is a longing to seek God for the good but I believe it is a fine line between love and hate which is why it is such a struggle when enemies attack because its only by staying near to Jesus that I get the strength to do what is right especially in a world where many are looking to science and cults as alternatives to God.

    The words of the next song are very true.

    Without Him I could do nothing
    Without Him I?d surely fail
    Without Him I would be drifting
    Like a ship without a sail

    Without Him I would be dying
    Without Him I?d be enslaved
    Without Him life would be worthless
    But with Jesus thank God I’m saved

    Oh Jesus, oh Jesus
    Do you know Him today
    Please don’t turn Him away
    Oh Jesus, my Jesus
    Without Him how lost I would be
    Without Him how lost I would be

  192. Beloved says:

    Viv I thought of this–Jeremiah 29:13New International Version (NIV)

    13 You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart.

  193. jeff1 says:

    Thank you for the verse Beloved so comforting to know that God does not forsake us and especially when we need Him most.

  194. street says:

    thinking about the tread. remembering God, the High and Exalted one dwelling in a very High place, but also with the broken and distressed. also thinking of the day of being in His present forever. yet at this time He wants me here to live out these days written in his book. starting to look forward to today, tomorrow, and eternity. remembering the faithful who saw it from afar and were patient in hope, for the One Who is Faithful.
    some days are really bad by our standards, yet He is Faithful. other days we feel blessed and content, dangerous days. what are we content in? let those days resonate with praise and thanksgiving to God and the other with sorrow hope and patience. we are being conformed to the image of His Son. Yes Jesus went through all this and never failed nor will He ever fail. the promises are good, we know that, keep reminding each. other. keep yourselves from idols. live with purpose and gird your minds for action. grace and mercy are in great supply in Christ Jesus. faithfulness hope and love, on!

  195. Beloved says:

    Yes the good times are ordained of God, its important to remember and give thanks for them. Idols are everywhere, even the Bible can become an idol if it is more important than the Author! Great reminder street that our very days are written down in Gods book, thanks. Encouragement, yes also.

  196. Beloved says:

    Our afternoon coffee devotional was from Isaiah 9, telling of the coming of Christ and here we are thousands of years after the fact looking forward to His second coming to take us home for eternity! Patient in affliction, joyful in hope the Bible says, yes.

  197. Beloved says:

    Romans 12:12 NIV
    Be joyful in hope, patient in affliction, faithful in prayer

  198. Beloved says:

    Isaiah 53:1-12 NLT Describes God’s plan for Jesus to redeem all people. Notice it says in verse 6 that we ALL stray to follow our own paths?

  199. street says:

    trusting in Him is the way of salvation. trusting in
    “theo” -ries makes ourselves people we do not want to be. many theories, but only One Truth. Truth can make you free from darkness and deception, love brings broken hearts,but God heals. we can only give what we have received, whether forgiveness, mercy, grace, or love at the cross. pray for those who have never been loved or understand love. when the son who spent everything returned to the father and received him back, he knew he was in a safe place.
    31 “Simon, Simon, behold, Satan has demanded permission to sift you like wheat; 32 but I have prayed for you, that your faith may not fail; and you, when once you have turned again, strengthen your brothers.”

    even later Jesus told peter,” feed My sheep. ” reminding him to strengthen your brothers. pray without ceasing too. i need to pray more too.

  200. Beloved says:

    I think praying is what we do while we’re waiting. Thank you LORD. Strengthening the sisters/brothers, I like that.

  201. foreverblessed says:

    Yes, the praying
    while waiting

    Thanks for all these verses!
    To follow Jesus’ footsteps, as Street have that Bible verse: He prayed for Peter that his faith would not fail while being tested.
    When I read that, the thought occurred to me: what a powerful example Jesus gave, I want to follow in His footsteps!
    Praying, is the great work of the Kingdom of God. And in heaven we will see what works has been done upon our prayers, and we will think: O, that I would have prayed a lot more!

  202. jeff1 says:

    Yet, when I think of the many times I could not pray but just be silent before God and I found peace in silence when words did not come.

    It is in those silences that God says a lot as He has my attention and for once I am listening to Him and perhaps God wishes I would listen more than I do because my assumptions as to what I believe God is saying can be very different to what He is saying.

    Prayer works for some but not for us all as I have found prayer impossible when my relationship with God is in difficulty and that is when I look to others to pray for me.

    The difficulty for me with prayer is that it is not always answered and that can leave me misunderstanding God’s intention if I am praying for peace and it does not come or if I am praying for an illness to be healed and it is not.

    I have to understand that God’s will may be predestined and prayer will not change what has to be as we know that Christ had to die on the cross then so to may our lives be destined for events that are outside our control where prayer will not make a difference and I will have to reconcile that fact with the keeping of God’s will.

  203. Beloved says:

    If God has predestined events and even knows what we ask before we ask it then why pray at all? The answer is that prayer changes us! Prayer must be silent after we pour out our hearts desires ending with thy will be done, or how would we hear Him. This is how I think of prayer. I’m sure I have a lot to learn on the subject though.

    On another thought….I woke up with these words on my mind and thought of you, viv. You’ll recognize the song I think:
    This is my Fathers world, oh may I ne’er forget, that though the wrong seems ‘oft so strong God is the ruler yet.

    All theories aside, godly or otherwise, we must hold fast to the Truth we’ve been so graciously given. I love that Jesus prayed for us! Its good to read His prayers for strength and a reminder of the love and faithfulness of God to us all! John 17:6-26 NASB

  204. Beloved says:

    Forever I must admit that I think about God more than I actually talk to Him. Part laziness part unbelief part disobedience all sin though, sin is what separates us from God. Need to change my ways, I know I will be disappointed with myself when that great roll is called in Heaven.

  205. Beloved says:

    However we refer to him, he seems to be trapped in his own version of the truth. Why else would he inspire Judas to betray Jesus? If The Deceiver isn’t the most deceived of all, why— after all that had already happened— would he walk into such a sting?

    Greater is He that is in you, than he that is in the world!

  206. jeff1 says:

    I hear God through other people as they say what I know to be true of Him and yet when difficulties in life come then why do I still doubt and fret and perhaps that is because it is in my personality to be anxious as living with my mum was not easy and I am not trying to pass the blame but my mum did not have an easy life and I have inherited her mood swings and her inadequacies which haunt my life.

    God speaks to me in many ways which is what reaffirms my faith but trusting God is still difficult in a world where other voices crowd my mind and steal my joy because faith is not any easier in today’s world than it was in Jesus’s and why your song is much appreciated Beloved as a reminder that God is still in charge. Thank you for I have not heard this song before, it is very beautiful, the song I am thinking of is ‘In my Father’s House’.

    This is my Father’s world,
    and to my listening ears
    all nature sings, and round me rings
    the music of the spheres.
    This is my Father’s world:
    I rest me in the thought
    of rocks and trees, of skies and seas;
    his hand the wonders wrought.

    This is my Father’s world,
    the birds their carols raise,
    the morning light, the lily white,
    declare their maker’s praise.
    This is my Father’s world:
    He shines in all that’s fair;
    in the rustling grass I hear him pass;
    he speaks to me everywhere.

    This is my Father’s world.
    O let me ne’er forget
    that though the wrong seems oft so strong,
    God is the ruler yet.
    This is my Father’s world:
    why should my heart be sad?
    The Lord is King; let the heavens ring!
    God reigns; let the earth be glad!

  207. Beloved says:

    Viv that is the very same song I was thinking of, glad the reminder strengthens you today.

    I too have inherited tendencies, panic, fear, etc etc, yet because of Christ we are overcomers, meaning each day has challenges that need Jesus. And that’s a good thing! Your mood swings as I understand are what lead you to Christ! Think how much more difficult it would be to turn to our Helper if we didn’t have them? God does not condemn those who turn to Him. Those who do not turn to Him are already condemned. If we worry about not being good enough for God we do Him a disservice and Jesus death is not enough. Shame on us for not believing. Shame on God for not being enough??? No never!

  208. Beloved says:

    A simp!e prayer: LORD I believe, help thou my unbelief.

  209. Beloved says:

    Asking Jesus for help in whatever mood or state of mind I am in is what I was taught to do a long time ago by a Christian counselor. Jesus has never failed me.

  210. jeff1 says:

    I don’t believe I have learned to do that Beloved I seem to think that I must go to God with the right mindset or not at all. I am not sure where this belief comes from but I find it so much easier when I am struggling and another offers to pray for me to allow them to do so and truthfully it is because I believe their prayer will be more effective than mine and I have not been wrong as many times my friends prayers are what I know have worked in my life.

    I seem to have more faith in their faith in God than my own faith in God and I have great belief in intercessory prayer being more effective. God works through others when I lack the faith for Him to work through me and of that I am sure and it is such an amazing fact of life.

    I believe God will help His unbelieving child by using another’s belief to do so.

    I believe that for every drop of rain that falls a flower grows
    I believe that somewhere in the darkest night a candle glows
    I believe for everyone who goes astray someone will come to show the way
    I believe, I believe

    I believe above the storm the smallest prayer will still be heard
    I believe that someone in the great somewhere hears every word
    Every time I hear a new born baby cry or touch a leaf or see the sky
    Then I know why I believe

    Every time I hear a new born baby cry or touch a leaf or see the sky
    Then I know why I believe (why I believe)

  211. Beloved says:

    Viv there was a time in my life of faith that I definitely needed the faith of others to bend God’s ear as I didn’t know how or what to pray for, yet the Holy Spirit always knows what to pray for perfectly. I think it’s a slow walk through the wilderness until we get to the other side. Meantime we are all at various degrees of faith and that’s one way we can help each other.

    I think of Jesus’s prayer, “Father forgive them they don’t know what they are doing” as He hung on the cross. Prayer for His torturers! What great faith for those with little. Little ones like us who pounded those nails in just as if we’d been there. We all need Him!

  212. jeff1 says:

    Yes, Jesus makes it all right and its keeping that in mind so that with other believers we can comfort and encourage in knowing that He does not forsake us.

  213. Beloved says:

    Amen Viv

  214. jeff1 says:

    Thinking of how difficult it is to regain trust in a society where that trust has been violated and how difficult it makes it to trust again and perhaps that is why I see that it will take the younger generation to go forward as conspiracy theories are what stalemate the process here with neither side of my generation believing what each others says as being truth.

    I cannot deny that I share the negativity of others in finding it hard to trust those who have already proven themselves to be untrustworthy. As I see it the younger people have a clearer view as they do not have the painful memories of war to distort it and also it is their future that is affected so it should be their input into it to rectify the wrongs of the past.

    Conspiracy theories are believable because human nature is what it is and once bitten twice shy as how can you trust people who have done you harm in the past and show no regret or hope of change in their attitude towards you in the present.

    My belief on the Good Friday agreement was that it put the past in the past so that both sides could start anew but drawing a line under the past was never going to be easy considering the consequences of it and while personally I believe we have to leave it in God’s hands I understand those who have been affected personally want justice now to ease the pain of the loss of their loved ones.

    Indeed Beloved, We all need Him! but it is too bad that we don’t all see it so clearly.

  215. Beloved says:

    The more we have of Him, putting Him first and above all things, the less those things around us really matter. Who do I put first? All those other things exist to prove my faith is real.

  216. Beloved says:

    I think Viv at first glance we’re all victims of one thing or another: it’s what happens in a broken world. But the deceiver, the greatest victimizer of them all, was also the greatest victim of them all!!!

  217. poohpity says:

    It would seem that retaliation never makes or helps to ease the pain that one feels about a crime committed against them or others. As a matter of fact it just keeps the hate and anger alive, passing it down from one generation to another. The only relief comes when one forgives and shows grace just like we have received from the Lord. When I want retaliation or what I see as justice the Lord always brings to mind the things that He has forgiven me for or shown me mercy or grace, then asks me do you want me to retaliate and serve justice against you?

    If we have taken a moral inventory of all the things that Jesus died for in us then it would seem we are less likely to demand justice for others rather than asking for mercy. The only way the next generation will make a choice to live a different way is to see as an example of forgiveness, mercy and grace the way we live and how much freedom that brings as the bitterness, hatred and anger is laid at the foot of the Cross for God to handle. God is able to take those things from our hearts and fill them with compassion, empathy and understanding that we are all sinners in need of God’s amazing grace.

    People will not even want to know about our relationship with Christ if they do not see a heart change in us because after all we are an example of God saving us from the evils and deceptions of this world that cause malice, bitterness and rage. Our testimony will be worthless.

  218. Beloved says:

    It makes me feel good Viv that God’s Justice was satisfied on the cross. Oh such great good news!

  219. Beloved says:

    Thinking the Justice we seek was also satisfied on the cross.

  220. Beloved says:

    John 13:35

  221. poohpity says:

    Not to say that God has given the government ways to address lawlessness with punishment but He also seems so concerned that we trust them with that as well as God having the final call that we do not have to carry other peoples deeds around in our hearts or on our shoulders because all will stand before God to give an account of all that they have done while here on earth.

  222. Beloved says:

    ◄ Psalm 97 ►
    New International Version
    Psalm 97

    1The Lord reigns, let the earth be glad;
    let the distant shores rejoice.

    2Clouds and thick darkness surround him;
    righteousness and justice are the foundation of his throne.

    3Fire goes before him
    and consumes his foes on every side.
    4His lightning lights up the world;
    the earth sees and trembles.
    5The mountains melt like wax before the Lord,
    before the Lord of all the earth.
    6The heavens proclaim his righteousness,
    and all peoples see his glory.
    7All who worship images are put to shame,
    those who boast in idols—
    worship him, all you gods!
    8Zion hears and rejoices
    and the villages of Judah are glad
    because of your judgments, Lord.
    9For you, Lord, are the Most High over all the earth;
    you are exalted far above all gods.

    10Let those who love the Lord hate evil,
    for he guards the lives of his faithful ones
    and delivers them from the hand of the wicked.

    11Light shinesa on the righteous
    and joy on the upright in heart.
    12Rejoice in the Lord, you who are righteous,
    and praise his holy name.

  223. Beloved says:

    Righteousness and justice the foundation of His throne, vs.2

    Love the LORD hate evil vs.10

    The enemy didn’t stand a chance.
    Hallowed be thy name.

  224. street says:

    Look at what the most tragic of all deaths says about purposes, tactics, and self-deception of the rebellion— and about the heart of the One who has come to our rescue!

    purpose self centered
    tactics separate deceive kill and destroy.
    rebellion that kills true love

    the heart of the One Who Rescues….think about it.
    think about what He did in the upper room the night before He lay down His Life.

    John 13:16-18
    16 Truly, truly, I say to you, a slave is not greater than his master, nor is one who is sent greater than the one who sent him. 17 If you know these things, you are blessed if you do them. 18 I do not speak of all of you. I know the ones I have chosen; but it is that the Scripture may be fulfilled, ‘He who eats My bread has lifted up his heel against Me.’

    Hebrews 3:12
    Take care, brethren, that there not be in any one of you an evil, unbelieving heart that falls away from the living God.

    John 5:14
    But afterward Jesus found him in the Temple and told him, “Now you are well; so stop sinning, or something even worse may happen to you.”

    Hebrews 10:29
    Just think how much worse the punishment will be for those who have trampled on the Son of God, and have treated the blood of the covenant, which made us holy, as if it were common and unholy, and have insulted and disdained the Holy Spirit who brings God’s mercy to us.

    Romans 8:38
    And I am convinced that nothing can ever separate us from God’s love. Neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither our fears for today nor our worries about tomorrow—not even the powers of hell can separate us from God’s love.

    a living faith.

  225. street says:

    By Myself I have sworn, says the Lord, because you have done this thing…I will bless you… —Genesis 22:16-17

    he believed God and it was reckoned to him as Righteousness

  226. Beloved says:

    Street I’ve been thinking about the Last Supper, rebellion (my own heart), and why I struggle so. I had to go into the darkness of my heart for a while until it finally clicked for me that the God of the OT who saved the Israelites for Himself also saved all mankind for Himself at the cross. Jesus blood shed for us all, like the blood on the doorways that protected the Israelites when the angel of death passed over. That said, even though I knew these things I hadn’t really seen the goodness of God from Genesis to Revelation. I see it now, and even better I truly understand how God could even WANT to love someone as wretched as myself. Thank you.

  227. street says:

    this love for wretches and sin itself i have a hard time understanding. sin is so empty. i guess it has more to do with extracting the precious from the worthless. the real difficulty is pride. endless useless unprofitable lonely and sinful. struggling to understand abraham and isaac and; moses last journey to the mountain. this obedience is so highly prized by God. i do understand this obedience, Jesus calls our love for Him in keeping His commands. i think it has more to do with us seeing ourselves as creatures and servants and not prideful or self self-sufficient. this love we see in God, He wants to see in us. therefor the greatest commandment.

  228. Beloved says:

    ” Take heed when you think you stand lest you fall”. Spurgeon says it’s being prideful of grace, that the way to combat it is to stay close to God in reading scripture and praying often so we receive from our “fountainhead” what we need all the time.

    My taste for sin is still strong at times. Probably more than I’m aware of. Steeping myself in the Word and prayer is key,. Laziness is a big problem. Acedia. Lord help me.

  229. poohpity says:

    God does not have love for sin because He knows the damage it does to His beautiful creation that He deems as worthwhile. He knows what every human being is capable of which is showing and telling of His great love to this world, we are His ambassadors. In other words His heart, His hands and His feet for healing, restoration and for doing good.

    ” Because we understand our fearful responsibility to the Lord, we work hard to persuade others. God knows we are sincere, and I hope you know this, too. 12 Are we commending ourselves to you again? No, we are giving you a reason to be proud of us,[a] so you can answer those who brag about having a spectacular ministry rather than having a sincere heart. 13 If it seems we are crazy, it is to bring glory to God. And if we are in our right minds, it is for your benefit. 14 Either way, Christ’s love controls us. Since we believe that Christ died for all, we also believe that we have all died to our old life. 15 He died for everyone so that those who receive his new life will no longer live for themselves. Instead, they will live for Christ, who died and was raised for them.

    16 So we have stopped evaluating others from a human point of view. At one time we thought of Christ merely from a human point of view. How differently we know him now! 17 This means that anyone who belongs to Christ has become a new person. The old life is gone; a new life has begun!

    18 And all of this is a gift from God, who brought us back to himself through Christ. And God has given us this task of reconciling people to him. 19 For God was in Christ, reconciling the world to himself, no longer counting people’s sins against them. And he gave us this wonderful message of reconciliation. 20 So we are Christ’s ambassadors; God is making his appeal through us. We speak for Christ when we plead, “Come back to God!” 21 For God made Christ, who never sinned, to be the offering for our sin, so that we could be made right with God through Christ.” 2 Cor 5:11-21 NLT

  230. Beloved says:

    !o! Pooh you misread street as I did the first time. Put a comma in after “wretches” and after “sin itself” and you will see he didn’t say god loves sin. I reread it because I knew that wasn’t what he meant to say. Ah, the problems with the written word sometimes! Not unlike scripture.

    Its an easy mistake, I’ve done it myself until I know someone better. Have a good day pooh!

  231. Beloved says:

    Sin is so empty. I’d never thought of it that way street. It feels exciting and good at first, but the fruits of it are always hollow. No substance in the long run. Like an addict looking for the next fix. Temporary. Why do we settle for less when love produces not only long term but eternal results, like storing treasures in heaven.

  232. Beloved says:

    Sin self pride- its all about me.
    Love is all about others.

  233. Beloved says:

    What exposes the heart of our Father more than what he let us do… to assure us that he still loves us?

    Thinking of an angry child pummelling its parent with fists and feet, yet the parent doesn’t retaliate with return blows but loving embrace until the child melts exhausted into safety and sweet release. :-)

  234. Beloved says:

    Also thinking of an angry child that gets hate and stronger blows in return learning his concept of God is mean and angry and always to be feared because he is stronger and could kill you and end your very existence! Such was my experience as a child and more, bit it was the cross that showed me who God really is.

  235. Beloved says:

    My Utmost 18th I find very comforting today.

  236. street says:

    love is all about God, and His rightful place in creation and the heart of mankind, made in the image of God. giving us new hearts, because of the cross and trust in His promises. He made us alive while we were dead. grace and mercy while living in the bodies that were at war with Him. made alive to be conformed to the image of Jesus, God. i say all about God because prideful man has no love just self centered passion and desires that have no basis in love or truth. this grace and true are indeed great in Christ Jesus. it brings us to a stop, the stop comes when we come to Him in faith, He will eventually tell us to go, but we go with Him by faith and trust Him in all circumstance because He loves us. and yes, sharing in His suffering. sometimes disciplined. conformed to the image of His Son, such a better hope than the lie of the other.

    thinking of the time to come when the devil is unmasked before humanity and no one will follow him. even so we still need God to follow. the future is with God not apart from Him. He has bound Himself to man. His purpose is unchangeable. He will be Glorified by the works of His Hand.

  237. poohpity says:

    street did you mean that God loves the wretches and sinners? Because that pretty much covers everyone and yes that is hard to understand but He does.

  238. poohpity says:

    John 16:9 NLT per Jesus.

  239. jeff1 says:

    A song from Sunday morning reflections this morning.

    I have built my life on the solid Rock
    Far away from the sinking sand
    And I cast my eyes to the home that waits
    On the banks of the Promised Land

    There’s a song of praise that’s lifted there
    By the saints and the angel band
    And I long to go and to join the choir
    On the banks of the Promised Land

    Hallelujah, what a morning
    When I reach for that nail-scarred hand
    And I’m led from grace to glory
    On the banks of the Promised Land

    Every grief and pain that has found me here
    Jesus knows, and He understands
    They’ll be washed away as I cross death’s stream
    To the banks of the Promised Land

    Hallelujah, what a morning
    When I reach for that nail-scarred hand
    And I’m led from grace to glory
    On the banks of the Promised Land

    Then I’ll see the face of my Saviour dear
    Beckoned close by His sweet command
    All my burdens gone; I will rest at last
    On the banks of the Promised Land

    Hallelujah, what a morning
    When I reach for that nail-scarred hand
    And I’m led from grace to glory
    On the banks of the Promised Land

    And I’m led from grace to glory
    On the banks of the Promised Land

  240. Beloved says:

    Street I saw your video on addiction, thank you for the biblical perspective it offers so much hope rather than the popular programs. I am personally encouraged.

  241. Beloved says:

    My Utmost goes deeper into the meaning of the cross in our lives, it is very good.

    Viv thank you for the song.

  242. street says:

    street did you mean that God loves the wretches and sinners? Because that pretty much covers everyone and yes that is hard to understand but He does.

    i think the author of amazing grace understood that wretches were sinners. the amazing thing is God calls us righteous in these bodies!!!! the very instruments of His grace and mercy in the world. peace, to bind together as one, hidden in Christ Jesus. love joy peace revealed on the cross, reject by man, Glorifying God.

    am i am not a good proof reader…..sorry for the confusion. this reminds me how careful we are to be in our communications and conduct, which i am constantly aware of my short comings. so thankful for His mercy. follow the Shepard closely. Psalm 23

    thinking about the Shepard and the sheep wandering all over the place. how we covet His attention and when “we” finally get it. are faced with the alter. thinking of job saying,”even if He slay me, i will trust HIM.”

    and then paul calling us to be living sacrifices! sacrifices of love joy peace patience goodness kindness faithfulness gentle self-controlled. i noticed love is first and preeminent in this sacrifice. love comes from God and is found in His children. that is what we are by His grace.

  243. street says:

    beloved i don’t believe i ever made a video on addiction. must have been a copy and paste, i do not recall.

  244. Beloved says:

    Street it was from Masters teaching on YouTube, not you?

  245. Beloved says:

    Street I suffered a severe disappointment today. Your words on the Shepherd I read tell me I’m on the right track, yes only by His grace. The wounds will heal, they always do. Thank you for being here today.

  246. poohpity says:

    We have the righteousness of Christ in these bodies because we believe. 2 Cor 5:21; 1 Cor 1:30-31

  247. street says:

    i hear you poo. just thinking, if the way to enjoy this righteousness to the max is obedience through love, being still and spending time in study, listening, denying our selves taking up the cross daily, following…. instruction. this is why i have a difficult time with abrham and isaac. i know this was a one time event. i also know i have difficulty in the simplest instruction. He is right we are a difficult bunch…. just trying to keep up and holding on to the joy. guess i need to get rid of every hindrance and entanglement. even so i am not expecting a cake walk. i have to admit i lol at myself often. gentleness and patients even with self, not so with pet sins. not by power not by might, but by my Spirit says the LORD. the world should grow strangely dim…

  248. street says:

    Lord, may I learn who I am through trust in You, the One who can make me more that I can imagine.

    Scripture Union

  249. poohpity says:

    street, it really helps to see that God took Abraham on a journey of faith. Abraham went through many times of having to learn to trust God before he laid his son on that alter to learn if God had said He would make a great nation from Isaac no matter if he laid him on that alter that God would follow through with His promises. Abraham just did not get there right away but from many years of trusting before that final test of faith. We are on that same journey of faith as well and yes God is so patient with us.

  250. poohpity says:

    It seems God does not mind earning our trust.

  251. street says:

    dear poo, “earning” our trust? been “spending” time in Romans 3 & 2. wages comes to mind or bargaining, which we find abraham doing one time. either way it seem he, abraham, found God to be trust worthy. even when confronted with pain suffering and death. God is creating and restoring children after His Own image in a desert. man will never have anything to boast in except our LORD. we are only unworthy servant, we only did what You asked us to do. thinking if we did do what He asked us to do it we would be unaware of it.

  252. poohpity says:

    dear stre, The wonderful thing about Abraham’s bargaining with God was for the life of others. Growing in our faith has nothing to do with earning anything because even our faith comes from God and from what scriptures say God has for some reason found us worthwhile or He would not have done anything for us to restore our relationship with Him. We are valuable to Him. Anyone who loves someone finds value in them. Do we deserve it, no, that is why it is called grace.

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