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Spirit of Truth

Misinformation interrupted by deafening explosions of truth.

We’ve been here before. Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, went on record in behalf of One who at his own expense exposed a world of darkness for the good of all.

Before his stunning death, Jesus left his disciples with more than partisan moral arguments to selectively expose the sins of the right or the wrongs of the left. He promised to send the Spirit of Truth (John 16:8-11).

Seems to me that it’s easy to miss what Jesus meant by saying that, in his absence, the Spirit would persuade the world of sin, righteousness, and judgment (John 16:8).

By his own explanation,

The sin that needed to be seen in Jesus’s absence: Not just any one of an endless list of moral failures, but—the difference between believing or not believing (trusting or not trusting) Jesus (John 16:9).

The righteousness that needed to be seen in Jesus’s absence: Not abstract perfectionism, but— the kind of right relationship he had in being true to his father—and true to those who desperately needed him (John 16:10).

The judgment that needed to be seen in Jesus’s absence: Not condemning others for their sin—something Jesus said he wouldn’t do, but—a loving judgment of the lies, misinformation, and fake news of his enemy (John 16:11). Nowhere was Satan more nakedly exposed than in a crucifixion that revealed how much God loves us, how lost we are, and how self-deceived and deceptive the present prince of the world is.

And, if this is what God is doing for the world, what does the Spirit of truth have to do with those of us who have already been mercifully adopted into the family? Seems to me that, for openers, he is in and with us not only for our encouragement, but also to provide the credibility of witness that softly glows in the spirit and truth of his love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, gentleness, and self-control.


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  1. Beloved says:

    Conspiracy theories-wikileaks-fake news, and now the REAL. The spirit of truth and the fruits thereof, love joy peace patience kindness gentleness goodness self control. A verse I memorized years ago until my wanderings through liberalism all but obscured the Truth. Keeping close to the word of God has changed my life radically, because of Jesus I am blessed to discern truth from lies now. And have peace.

  2. poohpity says:

    What does it mean for those of us who have already been adopted into His family? For me it means that I have to be continually washed daily in His love and grace to awake each morning to His daily mercies. Not a day goes by that as I grow closer to Him that I am more aware of my need to be cleansed so how on earth can I look at others when I know there is so much work to be done in my life. God is so patient with me! He gives me joy and peace, shows me kindness and gentleness by His goodness and helps me to stop and think before I say or do anything by giving me self control, that all I have to do is use it.

  3. Beloved says:

    “The word of truth is free, and it carries its own authority, disdaining to fall under any skillful argument or to endure the logical scrutiny of its hearers”.

    St. Justin Martyr

  4. street says:

    The righteousness that needed to be seen in Jesus’s absence: Not abstract perfectionism, but— the kind of right relationship he had in being true to his father—and true to those who desperately needed him (John 16:10).

    i had a hard time understanding this. till the story of the prodigal son was remembered. i was thinking how could there ever be righteousness with the absence of God? the son i remember can to his senses and remembered how good it was before the separation and returned. the Father is faithful and so good! best seen in His Son.

  5. street says:

    yes Jesus is true to those who desperately needed Him. some think Him a hard and exacting,”….You knew I was a demanding person, taking up what I did not lay down and harvesting what I did not plant;….”

    as i think of these verses they did not give God credit and became their own god. they were deceived.

    yes God gave His Son and He revealed true light and exposed evil for what it is, empty. the light cast,to throw or hurl; fling, out darkness. the light is marvelous! serve the way the truth and the Life. you are slave to the one you obey. and yes your feet will get dirty in this world. learning to wash feet too.

  6. street says:

    the kind of right relationship he had in being true to his father—and true to those who desperately needed him

    He boar the cross and the punishment due us, for us, on our behalf and God’s Glory. bringing the two together, peace.

  7. Regina says:

    Good Afternoon, All

    I pray all is well in your lives… I want to briefly speak on the previous topic, Wikileak Sea…
    Steve, thank you for the definition… It brought to mind secrets revealed during the time that Jesus was on the earth (bodily)… Thinking about the woman who was caught in the very act of adultery… Eww… How did that happen? And why didn’t they pass judgement on the man who was with her? Wonder if the man who was “caught in the act” felt any measure of guilt that “the woman” was bearing all of the shame of *their* secret?? Didn’t the men in that time protect the virtue of women (*remember, Joseph wanted to stone Mary privately when he thought she committed adultery)… whether they were deserving or not? Now, I want to fast-forward to the 21st century regarding “secrets revealed” that have nothing to do with wikileaks… at least I don’t think wikileaks were involved in the *revealed secrets* of Harvey Weinstein… I noticed that after Weinstein’s secrets were made public, many more women started openly revealing their secrets… There was no need for wikileaks… Gonna read the new blog topic now…

    72 degrees and sunny in my neck of the woods…

    Love to all,
    Regina

  8. street says:

    John 16:7
    But I tell you the truth, it is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I go, I will send Him to you.

  9. street says:

    thinking of the advantage of His return with Salvation.

  10. street says:

    can these dry bones live again?

  11. jeff1 says:

    God does not forsake us as He promised not to and His word we can believe above all other. The dark forces in the world want to disturb our peace but God has overcome those forces and so we need to trust Him in whatever circumstances we find ourselves in.

    Spirit of God, unseen as the wind,
    gentle as is the dove;
    teach us the truth and help us believe,
    show us the Saviours love!

    Your spoke to us long, long, ago,
    gave us the written word;
    we read it still, needing its truth
    through it God’s voice is heard.

    Spirit of God, unseen as the wind,
    gentle as is the dove;
    teach us the truth and help us believe,
    show us the Saviour’s love!

    Without your help, we fail our Lord,
    we cannot live His way;
    we need Your power, we need Your strength,
    following Christ each day.

    Spirit of God, unseen as the wind,
    gentle as is the dove;
    teach us the truth and help us believe,
    show us the Saviour’s love!

    Spirit of God, unseen as the wind,
    gentle as is the dove;
    teach us the truth and help us believe,
    show us the Saviour’s love!

  12. SFDBWV says:

    Mart’s new comment came late to me yesterday, so I printed it out in the event I would have time to read over it and come to respond or comment.

    I was led to my Catholic study Bible and so will copy what it says for you to read.

    John 16:8-11, “These verses illustrate the forensic character of the Paraclete’s role: in the forum of the disciples’ conscience He prosecutes the world.
    He leads believers to see (a) that the basic sin was and is refusal to believe in Jesus;
    (b) that, although Jesus was found guilty and apparently died in disgrace, in reality righteousness has triumphed, for Jesus has returned to His Father;
    (c) finally, that it is the ruler of this world, Satan, who has been condemned through Jesus’ death.”

    Paraclete (The Holy Spirit)
    Forensic (Characteristic of, or suitable for a law court, public debate, or formal argumentation.)

    I purposely am trying to carefully choose my words so as not to be misunderstood or crucified for my comments. So please remember the fruits of the Spirit when commenting about mine or others comments.

    God did His part, Jesus did His part, so now we do our part. First is to accept and believe, second is to receive the Holy Spirt as our constant companion, and third is to be a witness, or perhaps better said to present ourselves as a witness.

    A witness for the world to see what Jesus offers to it that it doesn’t already have.
    A witness to show the world the character of Jesus.
    A witness to the rebirth of a person, the change that comes along with His indwelling.
    A witness to proclaim the Gospel.
    Being a witness sometimes puts us on the witness stand where we are cross-examined by those in opposition. Here is where the Holy Spirit speaks up and speaks through us.

    Our voice becomes the voice of God as He uses us to sometimes convict the world of its sin.

    It is nearly impossible to proclaim the Gospel without mentioning why it is needed.

    The trick is allowing the fruits of the Spirit to do so His way.

    Our lives, our bodies, our actions and our words are to proclaim Jesus as Lord, this is the witness and how we will be judged in the end of all things.

    36 degrees and cloudy.

    Steve

  13. poohpity says:

    If Jesus said that the Holy Spirit will convict the world of sin and that sin is that it does not believe in Him then if we feel it is our job to convict the world of sin then aren’t we putting ourselves in the place of the Holy Spirit because one must feel that the Holy Spirit is not capable on His own?

    Later in scripture it teaches that those who are Spiritual and see a fellow believer stuck in a sin that leads to destruction which seems to mean that that sin is leading them away from God, we are to go to them one on one in the hopes of restoration, then if that doesn’t work to take 2+ and if that doesn’t work take it before the church. The reason that person is called Spiritual is because they are fully aware of their own propensity to sin and realizes they may be tempted too but are so very grounded in their faith as to help the person back to God without condemnation, finger pointing, harsh judgement but with empathy, compassion, restoration and healing in mind.

  14. poohpity says:

    The Gospel that is preached is that a loving God wants a relationship with His creation and their own sin has caused them to walk away or hide from God. God cleared the path through Jesus Christ’s sacrifice for the sin of the world, so that it could be saved from eternal separation. So we preach that God is alive, real and wants a relationship with them like that of a loving Father with His child but even though we share God has already poured His Spirit on the world that when they hear this their hearts are touched or convicted that this is true. So we actually are not convicting the world of sin but sharing that there is a God and He wants them to know Him.

  15. street says:

    (b) that, although Jesus was found guilty and apparently died in disgrace, in reality righteousness has triumphed, for Jesus has returned to His Father;
    (c) finally, that it is the ruler of this world, Satan, who has been condemned through Jesus’ death.”

    thinking of the first statement(b) after His crucifixion He was numbered with the unrighteous and buried with them. after the resurrection He said i have not returned to His Father yet, when mary was trying to hold on to Him. it was not till He was taken bodily, Triumphantly into heaven by the Ascension. now sitting at God’s Right Hand of Honor. same Thrown.

    i am still having fun trying to figure out how satan was condemned on the cross. i can only see God’s love revealed, but also God dying to save the ones He loves. i also know God can not die , but He did die. thinking back to the garden when sin entered the world. the relationship did die and we were protected from remaining in a sinful state by being kick out of the garden and God’s presents. if we remained in God’s present eventually He would have killed us. Jesus gives us hope that when this day comes we will not die. plus Jesus and God are One. we had the power to kill God and He has the power to kill us. this power was give to us from above. if this is true we have been given the power to Love too. this may seem radical to you, but forensic facts are forensic facts. get your facts straight first then you can distort them, mark twain, sorry Dad, for quoting twain
    thinking satan and the 1/3 were condemned in the rebellion, but the sentence has not been carried out. remembering God is not slow and He has a plan. His patience and long-suffering destroy every human thought or action that lifts itself up against God. time to be still and know.

  16. street says:

    remembering Jesus saying He had the Power to lay down His Life and the Power to take it up again. His life was not taken from Him, He lay it down according to Scripture, His Fathers Will, and for the elect.

  17. SFDBWV says:

    Paul says we see now through glass darkly, and that in a time to come we will see clearly.

    Mart’s subject matter of WikiLeaks and fake news and the storms of misinformation and half-truths that move through the connected social media pathways presents us with a blurred, skewed view of everything in the storm’s path.

    However there is a corrective lens available that can allow us to see the truth. He is referred to as the “Spirit of Truth”.

    This Person that indwells us not only clears up our vision He transforms us from being like this world to being more like Him.

    His presence in us is identified by the fruits of our actions which are a reflection of His actions.

    Paul also speaks of the armor of God. Armor protects us from the slings and arrows directed at us by the enemy.

    The enemy, like the snake in the garden, isn’t always obvious, sometimes he comes dressed in sheep’s clothing often pretending to be something he isn’t. He is crafty enough to try and attack from the side in an attempt to blind side us, confusion is always one of his weapons.

    However God has through His Son and our Savior provided us with a constant companion by and through whom truth can be revealed.

    He is the Spirit of Truth, the Holy Spirit, the third part of the Trinity. God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit, but all still God.

    When I look at the cross I don’t see a defeated foe, I see a triumphant God. But if it were Satan’s plan to show God the Father that God the Son would not go willingly to His death or even taste death, then Satan was defeated at the cross.

    If it were God’s plan to show Satan and mankind that there was nothing He wouldn’t do for mankind not to be separated from Him, then God was triumphant at the cross.

    Then again I don’t think God’s will can be thwarted at all and the matter of the cross His will all along from before the foundation of the world.

    20 degrees with a huge moon setting in the western timber.

    Steve

  18. poohpity says:

    I think sometimes we can look at things of God through our physical or worldly eyes or hearing when trying to make sense of them but God has given us Spiritual eyes and ears to look and hear things through a completely different perspective.

    For instance street, God did not kick our first parents out of the garden to separate us from Him but so that they would not eat from the “Tree of Life” which you will find in Genesis 3:22-24 so they would not live forever in their fallen state. There are other ways to look at the death that happened in the garden i.e. death of a close relationship with God because of their(our) rebellion and pride for one. If we believe that God is omnipresent that means he is everywhere and we can not go any place that God is not there or does not see.(Proverbs 15:3, 5:21; Job 28:24,34:21; Hebrews 4:13; Jeremiah 16:17)

    Satan’s main intent has never changed it has always been to get people to turn away and not know or trust God. Because of what happened at the Cross even a Roman soldier admitted surely this is the Son of God even if they did not come to believe from the miracles He did while walking on this earth they believed because of what happen on and after the Cross. Even the disciples believed some what before the Cross but what they saw after cemented that belief and then Jesus explained the scriptures(OT) that pointed to Him(prophesied) from Genesis to Malachi on the road to Emmaus.(Luke 24:25-27)

    After the Holy Spirit was given He opened everyone who believes eyes to what is in scripture and to learn all that God has given to us to know, that does not mean we will know everything about God but as much as we can within the amount of faith we have and are ready to learn. We will not have a full knowledge or view of God within our limited finite minds until we see Him face to face.(1 Cor 13:12) But in the meantime we are given much to learn about God to know Him better and better so that we will trust and depend on Him more and more.

  19. Beloved says:

    Misinformation interrupted by deafening explosions of truth.

    Thinking that all “misinformation” is sin. I think we misunderstand “Holy” often in our interpretations of how God works in the world/universe He created. It still boggles my mind trying to grasp “God”, which the bible says we can’t completely grasp until we see Him in heaven. God was tough on sin in the garden and at the cross. But we who are ” in Christ” have received the righteousness of Him, Christ. That boggles my mind also. Move over Paul, another chief sinner here. Thank you Jesus.

  20. Beloved says:

    Lol at my statement “I think we misunderstand Holy……”. There is no such thing in Gods economy. Its either sin or Holiness, without which we can never see God.

  21. poohpity says:

    Doesn’t holy mean set apart for God?

  22. Beloved says:

    Set apart is an action. The word holy means without sin. I’m talking about the meaning of holy here. Yes we have been set apart as Gods people in Christ Jesus. We are to strive for Holy living here yet will never be as holy as God.
    1 Peter 1:15-17New Living Translation (NLT)

    15 But now you must be holy in everything you do, just as God who chose you is holy. 16 For the Scriptures say, “You must be holy because I am holy.”[a]
    17 And remember that the heavenly Father to whom you pray has no favorites. He will judge or reward you according to what you do. So you must live in reverent fear of him during your time here as “temporary residents.”

  23. Beloved says:

    Only Jesus death on the cross gives entrance into the Kingdom today. What then about the Hebrews one might ask? He called them to be holy also because they represented Him on earth to the pagan nations. They failed to enter the promise of God but a new and better way opened up to them as Paul explained in his book to the Hebrews. Gentiles were then grafted in to be a part of Gods people, and all are commanded to represent Him here in holiness and purity. We are the people of God! Awesome and scary at the same time.

  24. Beloved says:

    ” what does the Spirit of truth have to do with those of us who have already been mercifully adopted into the family?”
    Pure gift is what comes to mind. The closer we get to God the more we become aware of our sinful tendencies in all ways, shapes and forms. The fruits of the Spirit are the holy alternatives to sinful living. Pure Gift! Letting go of sin is hard for me sometimes, its the comfortable- always there predictability of it I think. Fruitful living is not something I can produce in myself no matter how hard I try, and I’ve tried, believe me. Christ in me is my only hope of displaying the glory of God in these old bones.

  25. narrowpathseeker says:

    Greetings… I took a chance and came here to ask for united prayer and it seems the subject matter coincides with the request. My morning devotionals have been emphasizing the importance and power of UNITED prayer for days now…

    I believe that only God can help us drive out the dark spirit of insatiable greed, massive deception, and corruption that seems to rule the USA this century and the latter 4 decades of of the twentieth. May we pray for all that are prisoners of or willingly serve this dark spirit, and ask the Lord to open their eyes and to touch their hearts to repent? Thank you

    Steve…took the time to read a little here and I am even more convinced that you are very close to being a saint!! God Bless you and your family.

    Steve, you wrote…”His presence in us is identified by the fruits of our actions which are a reflection of His actions”……….yes, we will know them by their fruit.. Love , joy, peace, patience, kindness, self control,….can’t remember the rest…BUT these are why I know you are the real deal..

  26. jeff1 says:

    Speaking for myself I do not see myself as a believer representing God on earth because of my struggles with sin. God’s commands are for my good and not for His good because they are what will bring me closer to Him.

    It is not about my faithfulness to God but His to me as He does not withdraw His gift because I fall short of His glory.

    I watched a programme where a footballer here has been ordained to the priesthood and it has taken him 10 years to reach it through obedience and sacrificing his own life for service.

    In this modern world I will not be taken seriously unless I have taken vows and been ordained to the ministry and seen to be dedicating my life to God.

    I believe that gathering in my church or whatever means and praying is my part but it takes obedience to follow Christ today (and always has) and it is through obedience that I know His ways but God saved me because I am His and not because of what I can do for Him because as someone who is either running ahead or lagging behind I am inconsistent when it comes to knowing God.

  27. jeff1 says:

    Why is it that it is us who turn God into something He is not by trying to hard to be what we cannot!

  28. Beloved says:

    Viv I think it’s pride as street mentioned the other day. At least that’s what it seems to me. God does not change, I have to remind myself, even though my understanding of Who He is and what He does changes. Marts posts have been trying to tell us Who God really is, but the flesh dies hard. At least mine does anyway.
    God does not always heal disability but uses our weakness to teach us more about Himself I think. I’m learning to accept my thorns for the blessings they really are. I believe God has enough grace to allow me to rest in His loving arms just as I am and change what I *can* change that is sinful. The rest I give to Him to change.

  29. street says:

    The sin that needed to be seen in Jesus’s absence

    causing an absence by darkness deception blindness.
    revealing an explosion of truth.

    sin that is seen in His absence, the very sin that removes the knowledge of God, the truth of God, and makes us godless creatures of wrath. we truly are dead apart from God. look at any grave yard. you will not find Jesus there. john weeped because there was no one worthy to open the seals on the scroll. Christ, hidden in God. and this is by faith. can these dry bones live again?

  30. street says:

    The enemy, like the snake in the garden, isn’t always obvious, sometimes he comes dressed in sheep’s clothing often pretending to be something he isn’t.

    16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night.

    thinking of the lights to govern the day, and the lesser to govern the night. john never had anything good to say about the night. even the lesser light gets it’s light from the light that governs the day.

    “let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years”

    no i am not thinking of the worship of celestial bodies. just some things tend to make their own light and we are warned of this.

    John 1:9
    There was the true Light which, coming into the world, enlightens every man.

    1 John 2:7-9
    7 Beloved, I am not writing a new commandment to you, but an old commandment which you have had from the beginning; the old commandment is the word which you have heard. 8 On the other hand, I am writing a new commandment to you, which is true in Him and in you, because the darkness is passing away and the true Light is already shining. 9 The one who says he is in the Light and yet hates his brother is in the darkness until now.

  31. street says:

    love that is tougher than a cross. stronger than death.

  32. street says:

    if this is what God is doing for the world, what does the Spirit of truth have to do with those of us who have already been mercifully adopted into the family?
    an abundant fruitful life in the True Vine

  33. SFDBWV says:

    Was thinking last evening about how this subject wasn’t going anywhere when I looked in this morning and read my friend Pearl’s comments.

    I agree, Mart’s last few subjects have been about the ever spiraling downward face of the world around us and the need for clear vision, clear thinking and certainly for prayer, not only for the ever darkening world around us, but for each of us to know our place in it.

    Prayer connects us to God and it is by and through Jesus of Nazareth that we are able to do so.

    Bear in mind that Pearl is a good friend of mine and her kind words to me are meant to be encouraging for me and show her friendship. I do appreciate her and whereas I technically believe all believers are saints I would be the first to say that I have a long way to go in filling her vision of me being up there with the likes of some well-known saints. At the same time I believe that striving to be Christ-like should be the goal of all followers of Jesus.

    Thank you Pearl for your friendship and your fellowship and your kind words. I will certainly agree with you in prayer for the healing of our land.

    29 degrees with that same giant full moon setting in the western timber behind my house. Allowing for the lessor lights of the stars to have a little place in the still dark sky.

    Steve

  34. SFDBWV says:

    Good morning Viv. Your testimony about your need for Jesus every moment of your life and your belief that in, by and through Him alone can you hope to attain peace is a wonderful representation of exactly what God wants of us all.

    In that way you show His reflection, His love and are clearly obedient in the one commandment that matters, believing Him.

    Believing in and on Jesus as the Son of God, the Lord, His place in the relationship and yours.

    Together they bring great glory to God as this is His desire and His will.

    You are doing just fine Viv. Thank you for your friendship, fellowship and your testimony for our Lord.

    Hoping your day is blessed everywhere and every way it can be.

    Steve

  35. Beloved says:

    New Living Translation
    He will not crush the weakest reed or put out a flickering candle. Finally he will cause justice to be victorious. Matt 12:20

  36. jeff1 says:

    Steve, you really have lifted my Spirit today as believing as always been my greatest strength while following has been much more the struggle.

    I have the tendency of my mum and not my dad to question every little detail of life. My dad didn’t have to question because I discovered he knew the answers by being close to God.

    I see the wisdom in you Steve that I seen in my dad.
    My mum was superstitious and believed that a person reaped what he sowed but my dad did not.

    He had a stable and God fearing upbringing and didn’t question what God was doing in the world but was instinctively aware of what was right and wrong regardless of his beliefs.

    When I allowed my beliefs to sway my thinking he did not. I have only ever been wise after an event while my dad was wise during it and that is the difference in walking in obedience or not.

    I questioned and doubted God and caused confusion for myself while my dad knew God was right from the word ‘GO’.

    My mum assumed that a person was paying for their sins i.e. the IRA man who lived opposite us now an old man was drinking mentholated spirits and this was his demise for his sins.

    My dad knew differently as he understood God did not work in this way and my dad was right.

    I change God to my way of thinking when I do not stay focused on His way of doing things which is very different to man’s way as my dad knew from the beginning while I did not.

    I believe, Steve, that God chooses His disciples today as He did back then as there are those who are born to lead and those who are not.

    It is by focusing on God I should know my place in knowing which calling I fall into for the good of the Kingdom on Earth to be established as is God’s directive and not mine.

    Thank you, Steve, and others for your/their kindness in allowing me to speak as I feel I need to because I believe I have failed God in so many ways when it comes to obedience.

    I don’t think I have stopped believing in God but I do believe I have doubted in His power to change the world and that is because I have limited my view of Him.

    I think that it is those like yourself, Steve, who know and understand the bible from a heart that wants to change the world to God’s way that has the right to take the reigns of a world that so badly needs direction and who else would that fall to but men like my dad whose knowledge of God aligns them with truths that follow in that direction.

    It is my intention to say men as I do believe it is God’s intention and that is not because God sees women any less unfavourably but that He intends their roles to be different and He will lead us to accept that.

  37. poohpity says:

    Viv, what is it you think God wants you to be obedient too that you failed so badly at?

  38. poohpity says:

    Are some of things we believe due to church tradition or cultural traditions or are they actually what or how God intended in the Spirit of Truth?

  39. poohpity says:

    If one is not aware of or know very well the Spirit of Truth with what do they have to compare anything too? I learned in church today that Simeon told Mary that her son would reveal the thoughts that are in the hearts of man (people).

  40. poohpity says:

    Even when those thoughts of the heart are revealed God has provided an abundant amount of grace to cover them because not only is He full of truth but grace. So we have nothing to hide from Him because He knows it all and still went to the Cross for man(people).

  41. jeff1 says:

    Pooh, I took sides in a war that was cultural when my dad refused to because he believed no side was doing what God intended.

    He was right but I was too head strong to listen to him but I should have known he was listening to the Spirit of Truth as he looked to God for everything in his life.

    I look back and see that everything my dad said came true because he knew that we were not following God’s way but our cultures way which seemed right to me at the time but now I can see how wrong I was.

    I wasn’t focused on God’s truth but what I desired to be truth which was that the Prod’s were right and the Catholic’s deserved all they had coming to them.

    You have to be born in a country where hatred is rife to understand how you get caught up in it and I did which causes me great pain because while many were not getting the right guidance I was and yet I failed God miserably.

    I did myself more damage than I did others because I allowed the hatred to consume me and consume me it did.

    I don’t know the power of love but I do know the power of hate and that is what makes me sad today because I didn’t believe I would be capable of hating anyone to the extent of it consuming me.

    It did make me realize how much I needed God’s forgiveness but it has left me fearful of God as I do not trust my own mind in discerning what is God’s truth or my own.

  42. street says:

    poo said, “Satan’s main intent has never changed it has always been to get people to turn away and not know or trust God.”

    i think satans intent was to set up his own kingdom and set himself up as god. i understand there is a restraint on this, soon to be removed. when, i don’t know, but Scripture speaks of it. anyway it seems to me satans kingdom keeps dying. you could say the same for God’s Kingdom, but there is a risen Savior and some promises in the picture along with many other promises that have come true. this picture of sin righteousness and judgment needs to be looked at intently to see the depth of what really is there. our Paraclete is busy, never tired, and never fails.

  43. street says:

    Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, went on record in behalf of One who at his own expense exposed a world of darkness for the good of all.

    yes at His Own expense, taking responsibility for those He loved, that the Father given to Him.

  44. street says:

    jeff said,”I don’t know the power of love but I do know the power of hate and that is what makes me sad today because I didn’t believe I would be capable of hating anyone to the extent of it consuming me.”

    dear jeff i can relate to catastrophic personal failure. fear hate and pride, wiki leak sea, naturally build walls defense and offense systems that separate and destroy people and souls. forgiveness from God is away forward. if God forgives us should we not forgive ourselves and others too? i know the fear of failure in the future is still there. i wish we became incorruptible at the new birth, but we still have these corruptible bodies and the promise of grace and mercy and no condemnation. talk about getting get out of hell card and a lot of credit to spend. paul warns us not to use these to fall back into the past. like mart said,”to provide the credibility of witness that softly glows in the spirit and truth of his love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, gentleness, and self-control.”

    thinking Jesus bonded love to us, who sheepishly wander and wonder. taking Him at His Word increases the wonder and reduces the wander.

  45. Beloved says:

    Another perspective from God Is Enough devotional-

    Wrecking But Loving
    A seasoned saint was asked by a despairing Christian, “Doesn’t the world look to you like a wreck?” “Yes,” was the cheerful and confident reply, “like the wreck of a bursting seed.” Any of us who have watched the first sproutings of an oak tree from the heart of a decaying acorn will understand what this means. Before the acorn can bring forth the oak it must become a wreck. No plant ever came from any but a wrecked seed.

    Our Lord uses this fact to teach us the meaning of His processes with us. ” Verily, verily, I say unto you, except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone; but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit” John 12:24

  46. jeff1 says:

    Believe me, Street, I do not want to fall back into the past but living in a country that cannot seem to get out of the past makes it difficult. My dad knew there are no winners in war because he spent his youth fighting in one and knew the folly of it.

    I believe that’s what kept him so close to God he seen the depravity of men up close and personal and never forgot that there for the grace of God go I.

    I wish his fellow countrymen where as close to God but as Sir Winston Churchill says if we don’t learn from the past then we are doomed to repeat it and that is what my generation did not do learn from the past.

    The ghosts of it keep coming back to haunt us because there are more people thinking like my mum than my dad i.e. its amazing how long peoples memories are when it comes to other people’s shortcomings.

    How many times have I not heard my mothers words repeated by others when something bad befalls someone who has an unsavoury past ‘he or she is paying for their sins now’.

    Its all very well trying to forgive the past but what happens when no one else is willing to forgive!

    Forgiving myself comes all to easy because I have the grace of God but forgiveness of others is what I am struggling with and Jonah comes to mind because I understand how Jonah felt at not wanting God to forgive his enemies!

    My dad stayed close to God and had forgiveness in his heart consistently while I run back and forward like a person demented because of my inconsistency!

  47. poohpity says:

    I was brought up in a country of hate and it is still here. There was hate between settlers and the natives, north and south, slave and free, right and left parties, black and white, law enforcement and regular citizens, rich and poor, even on this blog in other words all people find reasons for hate in some form or another. That is something common to the human race, period. Hate and anger are very worldly emotions that destroy the very person holding on to them which the consequences are depression, physical and mental aliments. God hates sin because He knows it destroys relationships with Him and with others that seems to be why He made a solution. It is the difference in believing and not believing, trusting and not trusting in Jesus.

  48. poohpity says:

    I wonder how many people hate each one of you like you hate? So when does it ever stop? Luke 1:71

  49. poohpity says:

    If people truly believe that their sins are forgiven then why are not more Christian’s filled with love, joy, peace and hope?

  50. Beloved says:

    Why was Jesus hated? Seems things haven’t changed. Nor will they until Christ’s return.

  51. poohpity says:

    I am learning this week and last on discover the word that the reason that the religious people ridiculed and hated Jesus was because even though they were taught from the law that to love God and love others which is the gospel. So as they lost honor by Jesus confronting what they thought they knew with what the truth is, it brought shame on them into demanding His crucifixion. Not for anything but for sharing the truth that people hated Him. They were embarrassed in front of those who they wanted to be held in a high position of honor and praise. Embarrassment can cause us to lash out and accuse others of wrong motives just because we lose face.

  52. Beloved says:

    Trying to understand hatred is a slippery slope sometimes, causing us to take our eyes off of the only One that can love us perfectly. We can take our hurt feelings to Him and He will comfort by hiding us under the safety of His wings, in the cleft of the Rock, as we are the apple of His eye!

    Beloved friends, love one another as Christ Jesus has loved you!! Then you will find love joy peace patience kindness gentleness goodness faithfulness and self control; which is the Spirit of Truth!

  53. poohpity says:

    I thought those only come from the indwelling of the Holy Spirit in our lives for those who believe and trust?

  54. Beloved says:

    Like my Bible study teacher says, we’re all at different places in our spiritual growth. Prayer for enemies is so important! Jesus said to pray for those that despitefully use and abuse.

  55. Beloved says:

    There’s no such thing as instant sainthood. Trust God alone for what you need.

  56. Beloved says:

    Self examination daily is important also.

  57. poohpity says:

    If we become a saint when we come to believe then isn’t it instant? However it takes a lifetime to work out our salvation which is the lifetime it takes God to work in our lives to be more like Jesus. That is not in an instant but we are a work in progress. Phil 1:6 NLT

  58. Beloved says:

    Sainthood was a poor choice of words. Catholicism and also Eastern orthodox I believe say sainthood is not established until one dies and their works of faith are counted worthy. Wesleyan tradition says all are instant saints through faith in Christ. Some newer faith traditions agree with Wesley is my understanding.

  59. jeff1 says:

    Believing in God is the initial awareness that I know something happened to me internally that connected me to Him.

    Many have had miraculous conversions but I know God was convicting me of my sins.

    Its going to be different depending on whether you struggle more with sin or not and I do struggle with sin so I am not making much progress and it often feels that I go backwards more than I go forwards.

    Only God knows why my dad had the insight to stay close to Him while I did not and consequently brought calamity on myself.

    My dad’s discernment was always spot on while I was always fumbling in the dark until another switched the light on for me.

    I see that my dad was consistent in trusting God while I had more doubts which led to my wandering from His safe keeping.

  60. street says:

    the reason that the religious people ridiculed and hated Jesus was because even though they were taught from the law that to love God and love others which is the gospel.

    they taught a law that even they could not keep. Jesus exposed them at the cross as liers and thieves. the law also told of a need for a Savior. Jesus also taught that the lowest position, servant, is the Highest position. Truly the First-fruits of the Kingdom.

    as for saints Genesis 15 and 22 might be a place to visit. man has a tough time distinguishing who is and who is not. God has no such problem. God knows the moment you believe, even before you do anything. yes we bumble and stumble and change our disposition daily. maturing is a process of time molding trust. the molding is the part that is so disagreeable. i find it infinite compelling to embrace humanity simply because Jesus did so, even in suffering. i don’t recommend doing this apart from the Spirit of Truth. saints always seem to be people who know God and are recognized as people who walk with Him. salt and light come to mind. i have to say the light comes from Jesus, the true light of the world.

  61. street says:

    If people truly believe that their sins are forgiven then why are not more Christian’s filled with love, joy, peace and hope? thinking about Jesus walking around on the earth and being disappointed by everything. even His followers. He definitely had joy somewhere else. the other reason is the idea of working off a debt. sorry but it’s bigger than your life.

    we are told to love, commanded! we touched on this earlier and agreed it could not be commanded? are we God? what was He commanding us to do? could it be, to love, is to put an end to our anthropocentric? can love be anthropocentric? i think not. knowledge of good and evil made us anthropocentric, Jesus died to put an end to this. new life in Christ. new life grows richer and deeper by spending time with the one you love. also by time away. sin righteousness and judgment. the time away is what troubles me, simply because of the weakness in myself. i am reminded,” I will never leave you nor forsake you.” continue, in His Love.

  62. street says:

    For instance street, God did not kick our first parents out of the garden to separate us from Him but so that they would not eat from the “Tree of Life”

    i think Jesus is that tree of life. a stumbling block to the jews and and offense to the gentiles. the one tree looked alive and brought death, the other looked dead and brought life.

  63. jeff1 says:

    God doesn’t change, I change God, others change God but God remains faithful and so when in the midst of darkness this song gives me such hope for a better world to come.

    I never said that I would give your silver or gold
    Or that you would never feel the fire or shiver in the cold
    But I did say you’d never walk through this world alone
    And I did say, don’t make this world your home

    I never said that fear wouldn’t find you in the night
    Or that loneliness was something you’d never have to fight
    But I did say I’d be right there by your side
    And I did say I’ll always help you fight

    ‘Cause you know I made a promise that I intend to keep
    My grace will be sufficient in every time of need
    My love will be the anchor that you can hold onto
    This is the promise, this is the promise I made to you

    I never said that friends would never turn their backs on you
    Or that the world around you wouldn’t see you as a fool
    But I did say like me, you’ll surely be despised
    And I did say my ways confound the wise

    I didn’t say you’d never taste the bitter taste of death
    Or have to walk through chilly Jordan to enter into rest
    But I did say I’d be waiting right on the other side (yeah, yeah)
    And I did say I’ll dry every tear you cry

    ‘Cause you know I made a promise that I’ve prepared a place
    And some day sooner than you think you’ll see me face to face
    And you’ll sing with the angels and a countless multitude
    This is the promise, this is the promise I’ve made to you
    So just keep on walkin’, don’t turn to the left or right
    And in the midst of darkness, let this be your light
    That hell can’t separate us and you’re gonna make it through
    This is the promise, this is the promise I made to you, oh
    This is the promise, this is the promise I made to you

  64. Beloved says:

    Good song Viv.

  65. Regina says:

    Good Evening, All

    Pray all is well in your lives… Getting ready to go exercise in about an hour, but I want to share one quick thought on the last paragraph of Mart’s intro comment…

    “And, if this is what God is doing for the world, what does the Spirit of truth have to do with those of us who have already been mercifully adopted into the family? Seems to me that, for openers, he is in and with us not only for our encouragement, but also to provide the credibility of witness that softly glows in the spirit and truth of his love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, gentleness, and self-control.”

    Want to focus on Mart’s words, “the credibility of witness”… they brought to mind Jesus’ description of us (His disciples)…HE said we’re “the light of the world”, “a city set on a hill” and the “salt of the earth.” Jesus’ description of His disciples provokes me to aggressively pursue the fruit of the Spirit (love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, gentleness, etc.) that Mart mentioned in the paragraph I shared… Gal. 5:22 is a constant, and (for most) effective reminder that Jesus wants us to pursue righteousness and holiness… not carnality, materialism and worldliness… My thoughts for now.

    81 degrees and cloudy in my neck of the woods…

    Love to all,
    Regina

  66. jeff1 says:

    Yes, Beloved, I get such comfort from this song as the words remind me that God does not forsake us and it is so easy to feel abandoned in a world like this even with others to support you, music is a gift from God that never fails to give me peace of mind.

  67. poohpity says:

    Beloved, I do not know what all those that you listed from different churches or Wesleyan tradition consider saints but just on what is taught in the bible about them. That is good enough for me. Philippians 1:1; 2 Cor 1:1 for instance

    street, where on earth do you find that Jesus walked around on earth disappointed in everything???? If someone already knows all things how can they be disappointed??? That only comes when someone has unmeant expectations and if Jesus came to give His life for sinners then He did not have any other expectations than that.

  68. poohpity says:

    street, that goes back to what we talked about under the last topic about the basics of our faith and knowing who Jesus is. Got to know that first before any other pieces fit together.

  69. poohpity says:

    Even the “Tree of Life”.

  70. street says:

    good call poo. i noticed that after i posted. this verse came to mind.

    Matthew 11:25
    At that time Jesus said, “I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children.

    Matthew 17:17
    “You unbelieving and perverse generation,” Jesus replied, “how long shall I stay with you? How long shall I put up with you? Bring the boy here to me.”

    Matthew 23:37
    “Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing.

    Mark 2:19
    Jesus answered, “How can the guests of the bridegroom fast while he is with them? They cannot, so long as they have him with them.

    Joshua 1:5
    No one will be able to stand against you all the days of your life. As I was with Moses, so I will be with you; I will never leave you nor forsake you.

    Hebrews 13:5
    Keep your lives free from the love of money and be content with what you have, because God has said, “Never will I leave you; never will I forsake you.”

    Psalm 44:22
    Yet for your sake we face death all day long; we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered.

    Job 13:14-16
    “Why should I take my flesh in my teeth
    And put my life in my hands?
    15
    “Though He slay me,
    I will hope in Him.
    Nevertheless I will argue my ways before Him.
    16
    “This also will be my salvation,
    For a godless man may not come before His presence.

    Psalm 46:10
    “Cease striving and know that I am God; I will be exalted among the nations, I will be exalted in the earth.”

    sometimes i forget Jesus came for the little children. it is tough to stay out of the seat of moses. pride is a terrible sin

  71. street says:

    That only comes when someone has unmeant expectations and if Jesus came to give His life for sinners then He did not have any other expectations than that.

    thinking He expects obedience faithfulness love truth

    Psalm 51:6
    Behold, You desire truth in the innermost being, And in the hidden part You will make me know wisdom.

  72. Beloved says:

    Thinking about how I sometimes wonder if I’ve made God in my image, instead of the other way around. Scary and sad but exciting when I find Truth about Him finally in scripture!

  73. jeff1 says:

    Ignorance of God has been my greatest weakness and yet in the midst of darkness he has come in and out of my life.

    God doesn’t forsake me but I often forsake Him and yet His patience and mercy are steadfast.

    I had a dad who was not ignorant of God’s ways and it was his example in life that taught me that the wrong expectations can badly blur my vision not just of God but of people.

    He stayed close to God and his expectations where spot on because he knew whom to go to when trouble knocked at his door as it often does in life and by putting God first he reaped the reward of having good judgement when all around him did not.

  74. foreverblessed says:

    Can God be disappointed?
    I was reading genesis 6:6 this morning, and did not understand it,
    then I read all the Bible commentaries,

    And one of them gave: Numb 23:19
    God is not a man that He should lie,
    Not a son of man that he should change his mind.

    Ok, so in one verse the Bible said: His changed his mind
    And in another it says: God does not change his mind.

    His heart was filled with pain.

    I understand it now, that God hates to punish men, as He had to do before the deluge.
    He hates to act as He has to do, like the younger son, who left and went wayward, it grieved the Father that the son had to go through his ordeals.

    Matt 23:37
    The verse Street gave just above, (thanks Street for all these verses)

    But always, always, God knew what He was going to do: to send a Saviour.
    Jesus was grieved, yes He wS, but He must also be thrilled, and full of joy because of His saving act in the Cross.

    Inside, in His Spirit, He was full of joy!!!
    Psalm 118:26-29
    ( Calling it a festal procession to the horns of the altar, Jesus walking with the cross)

    Always, God points tongue solution,even Balaam, who said that God could not change, said:

    A Star will come out of Jacob,
    a Sceptre will rise out of Israel
    Numb 24:17

  75. jeff1 says:

    I, the Lord of sea and sky
    I have heard my people cry
    All who dwell in dark and sin
    My hand will save.

    I who made the stars and night
    I will make the darkness bright
    Who will bear my light to them
    Whom shall I send?

    Here I am Lord
    Is it I Lord?
    I have heard You calling in the night
    I will go Lord
    If you lead me
    I will hold Your people in my heart.

    I the Lord of snow and rain
    I have borne my people’s pain
    I have wept for love of them
    They turn away.

    I will break their hearts of stone
    Fill their hearts with love alone
    I will speak my word to them
    Whom shall I send?

    Here I am Lord
    Is it I Lord?
    I have heard You calling in the night
    I will go Lord
    If You lead me
    I will hold Your people in my heart.

    I will hold Your people in my heart….

  76. SFDBWV says:

    Viv your telling me that I helped lift your spirits lifts mine. Thank you.

    To me this is how we represent Jesus, how we, each one of us are able to show Christ. How it is we can say Christ lives through us; in how we deal with each other.

    We all of us should try and lift each other’s spirits and make someone’s day more pleasant.

    In this way we share the love of Christ with others.

    True some people make it very hard to do this, and so I take my cue from Jesus once again and simply walk away rather than be drawn into their trap.

    Once again you do a good job in your Christianity and once again I pray for you and yours to have a blessed day everyway and everywhere you are.

    Steve

  77. SFDBWV says:

    Good morning Foreverblessed. We agree on many levels, one being that God’s intentions were always to present Jesus to wayward man as their Savior.

    Him, yet one of their own.

    Most all of us have had to do the right thing at some point in our lives. It always isn’t easy, comes with a cost and has casualties.

    Like God, because we are made in His image we can relate to His joy and His pain. It is just that our experiences are only a shadow of His.

    Thank you Foreverblessed for your continued positive comments and clearer vision of God and of our place with Him.

    As with Viv I pray you and yours are fully blessed all this day and beyond.

    Steve

  78. jeff1 says:

    I think Steve that believers have to kind to each other in a world where others can be unkind to us and I suffer that with my own family members who do not believe in God.

    In our humanness we slip and fall and that is when I look to another believer to have empathy because I won’t get it from a non believer who is oblivious to my world because they do not share it.

    I don’t believe God expects us to have all the attributes but if, for example, I have the patience, you have the compassion, forever has the vision then combined we are stronger than when we are apart.

    There is too much competitiveness among believer’s today and not enough togetherness which was not around in Jesus’s day and why the gospel is so far removed from His time on earth to my way of thinking.

    United we stand, divided we fall, but perhaps God must divide to conquer as I forget how well He knows His children!

  79. Beloved says:

    …”credibility of witness…”

    I can attest to God’s faithfulness hat He never leaves His children alone, even when others walk away. Even when my fruits are not pleasing to Him or others. He’s one true friend, closer than a brother even. Teaching me to be the kind of friend like He is, ever learning through grace the wonder of being loving, patient, and kind. Christ in you, Paul said, the hope of glory. Not my glory but God’s glory. May He be glorified today.

  80. poohpity says:

    I have seen competitiveness and jealousy among followers of Jesus because most do not understand that everyone is important and each has different spiritual gifts but the same cause, goal and purpose to reach everyone in the name of Jesus. Not all can teach, nor can all heal, nor can all help(serve) or have great faith or knowledge or the gift of hospitality but each uses their gift/s to grow the church and should be admired because together we make a whole. 1 Cor 12:14-19

    The hardest lesson and conviction of the Spirit of Truth to me is, it is not how I treat those who love me in return although that is important but how I treat those who don’t. Those who revile, accuse or call me names. Those who exclude me from their groups and gossip about me. It is how I treat those that God seems to be more interested in my response to them. God’s way of living is upside down and topsy turvy to the ways of the world.

    I guess it all comes down to who is put first in our lives.

  81. Beloved says:

    Good post Pooh.

  82. Beloved says:

    I don’t believe that their are any accidents or surprises in the Kingdom, that in ALL things God is working for our good, that things that cause us hurt and disappoinments are tools God uses to make us more and more Christ-like.

  83. Beloved says:

    If He suffered, we will also.

  84. street says:

    12 rejoicing in hope, persevering in tribulation, devoted to prayer, 13 contributing to the needs of the saints, practicing hospitality.

  85. street says:

    I guess it all comes down to who is put first in our lives.

    this is true. the real problem is the deceiver and the human heart. both can be deceived together or separately.
    new hearts are needed.

    i think of paul and the difficulty he faced when confronted with jewdizers and false apostles. there had to be away for him to speak correctly about the trueth to validate what he said and reveal the deception. God’s craftsmanship is able to extract the precious.

    Then she said to him, “How can you say, ‘I love you,’ when your heart is not with me? You have deceived me these three times and have not told me where your great strength is.”

    Therefore, thus says the Lord, “If you return, then I will restore you— Before Me you will stand; And if you extract the precious from the worthless, You will become My spokesman. They for their part may turn to you, But as for you, you must not turn to them.

  86. street says:

    poo said,”but each uses their gift/s to grow the church and should be admired because together we make a whole.”

    i think admire is the wrong word here and is a snare. we marvel and wonder of God’s workmanship in others. i am reminded we are still in flesh that can not inherit the Kingdom. this whole includes the saints of the Old and New the sleeping and the living and the ones to be born in future, but made whole in Christ.

    grow the church? one planets one waters, but God causes the growth. we are to edify if i remember right.
    edify 1.
    to instruct or benefit, especially morally or spiritually; uplift:
    dictionary . com

    be very careful what you build with, wood hay and stubble, well people still use them.

    exalting Christ is a good thing. parroting is not. learning how to is an adventure. learning to love

  87. poohpity says:

    Thank you street for your opinion but I admire the gifts that the Lord gives to His people to help the church function as one body for His Glory.

  88. jeff1 says:

    I am of the same opinion as you on this one Street because too often people forget that they are God given gifts and that’s were competitiveness raises its ugly head and humility goes out the window.

    I have watched programmes with the Amish community and marvelled at the houses they built because each respects each others skills whether one is more skilled than the other or not and the peace and harmony is evident in their community because all are humble and obedient.

    We live in a competitive world and whether we like it or not it creeps into our churches and into our lives.
    Sin is still as big a struggle for Christians as it is for none but we just don’t want to admit it but sadly non believers see us as being no more saintly than they are.

    Religions have put us on pedestals and there about to collapse one of these days because no one is able to live up to the expectations one has of the other and why because everybody wants to be right when the only one who is right is God and we have all blinded ourselves so much we cannot see it.

    Parroting is what we are doing because no one wants to admit they have come unstuck but this world is proof enough for me that something is not right and as I am part of it I have to accept that I have played my part in making it that way.

    I may often play the victim but unfortunately I am just as often the perpetrator and that is me being honest as that is what God wants to hear that I messed up as much as the next man/woman and then He can get on with putting this world to rights His way when we all see ourselves equally as bad as each other in failing His direction for a better world to come.

  89. jeff1 says:

    I am thinking my last post is very much ‘if the cap fits wear it’ and if it doesn’t, don’t.

    My dad didn’t follow others like a sheep because I see now that he would have been very much a leader as his judgements were spot on because he aligned himself with God’s truth’s and not the culture of the day’s truth’s.

    I am wise after the war but my dad was wise during it, a gift from God, I believe so!

  90. SFDBWV says:

    Listening to Trace Atkins singing “Wayfaring Stranger” I am thinking about the hottest news story on the world scene today.

    USA President Donald Trump stating he considers Jerusalem to be the capital of Israel and is going to have our Embassy moved there.

    In the back ground of news stories is the “Bit-coin” or electric money/internet money.

    Russia in the news every day and a loud mouthed little nobody from North Korea pushing for nuclear war every moment.

    I told Glenna last evening that our next trip is the only one we don’t have to pack for, Matthew, Glenna Crick and I will go up together “just as we are”.

    25 degrees this morning with still a very large moon smiling down on us.

    Steve

  91. jeff1 says:

    When I look at what you have wrote is in the news today, Steve, it makes me realize that the world doesn’t change that much, we get rid of one tyrant and another one is ready to step in his shoes.

    There are those who learn and there are those who never learn and I think Steve from your very last comment that you are a fast tracker just like my dad was.

    It is such a delight to read your comments Steve because you think so much like my dad did (God rest him)very much the peace maker but not afraid to go to war for the sake of the Kingdom of Righteousness because you align yourself with God’s truths as he did.

    Onward, Christian soldiers,
    Marching as to war,
    With the cross of Jesus,
    Going on before!

    Christ the Royal Master,
    Leads against the foe;
    Forward into battle,
    See His banners go!

    Onward, Christian solders,
    Marching as to war,
    With the cross of Jesus,
    Going on before!

    Like a might army
    Moves the church of God!
    Brothers, we are treading
    Where the saints have trod!

    We are not divided,
    All one body we,

    One in hope and doctrine,
    One in charity!

    Onward, Christian soldiers,
    Marching as to war,
    With the cross of Jesus,
    Going on before!

    Onward, then, ye people!
    Join our happy throng!
    Blend with ours your voices,
    In the triumph song!
    Glory, laud and honour,
    Unto Christ the King,
    This through countless ages,
    Men and angels sing.

    Onward, Christian soldiers,
    Marching as to war,
    With the cross of Jesus,
    Going on before!
    Amen

    Crowns and Thrones may perish
    Kingdoms rise and wane
    But the cross of Jesus
    Constant will remain

  92. poohpity says:

    Is what you all consider parroting teaching what the word of God says? If it is, isn’t that what we are called to do by sharing the Gospel, not our own understanding or opinion of it but what it actually says? Since when is it considered a bad thing to share God’s word, this is the only place among believers that is so true and that to me is very heartbreaking. People can share with impunity everything else but if one shares God’s word then one is called arrogant, self seeking and a few other choice names.

    Satan wants us to be concerned with the world around us, that which is only temporary not to know anything about the things above or the truth because that would ruin the price of this world’s hold on us.

    Also if any saint is worth a hill of beans they share their faults and failures by letting people know they are not without sin. What the main difference seems to be is we know we are forgiven not that we will ever be without wrongs, faults or failures but we have received God’s gift of forgiveness, mercy and grace. If we have nothing to hide from God then why should we hide them from others? How can we confess if we think we have nothing to confess? How can we receive and give out God’s grace if we don’t know our own heart then if we do know our own heart we would not spend so much time judging the heart’s of others because we know we have no room to judge because then we are only condemning ourselves. Rom 2:1-4 NIV

    It is God’s place to judge as Mart was saying that not even Jesus condemned others for sin that was the job of Satan, the prince of this world, because he condemns us before God and to each other and wants us to doubt God’s love for us, remember what happened with Job. That enemy still wants us to think and feel like we are nothing, worthless and that God could not possibly love someone like me but those are the lies, deception, fake news that he whispers in our ears so that we will turn away from God.(Romans 8:1-6 NIV)

    Jesus said to the accusers, “let the one without sin throw the first stone”. Jesus was the only one without sin and he did not even throw one stone but forgave instead. How many are stone throwers never taking into account the condition of their own heart, isn’t that how the flesh works but not the Spirit?

    Parrot’s can only share what they have heard!

  93. Beloved says:

    We have a very different religion, “Seems to me that, for openers, he is in and with us not only for our encouragement, but also to provide the credibility of witness that softly glows…”

    Encouragement, softly glows? How different from swords etc. Words can be swords and so can actions/ attitudes. Yet only Jesus can teach truth in a way that cuts down to the quick, so to speak, dividing the good from the bad. Softly, tenderly yet with the authority of a Creator, ruling the world from on high. The Most High God, Jesus was given that authority while wrapped in human flesh and nature, think of it! We actually can read eye witness accounts of God working in the world !

    Thanks Mart for guiding our thoughts to Jesus, who is in and with us.

  94. Beloved says:

    Righteousness: having a “right standing” with God.

  95. Beloved says:

    On edifying, this scripture comes to mind: Phil 2:3 Do nothing from selfish ambition or conceit, but in humility count others more significant than yourselves.

  96. Beloved says:

    What Child is this
    Who laid to rest
    On Mary’s lap is sleeping?
    Whom Angels greet with anthems sweet,
    While shepherds watch are keeping?
    So bring Him incense, gold and myrrh,
    Come Peasant, King to own Him
    The King of Kings salvation brings,
    Let loving hearts enthrone Him.
    This, this is Christ the King,
    Whom shepherds guard and Angels sing
    Haste, haste, to bring Him laud,
    The Babe, the Son of Mary.
    Oh, raise, raise a song on high,
    His mother sings her lullaby.
    Joy, oh joy for Christ is born,
    The Babe, the Son of Mary.
    This, this is Christ the King,
    Whom shepherds guard and Angels sing
    Haste, haste, to bring Him laud,
    The Babe,
    The Son,
    Of Mary

  97. Beloved says:

    Someone just asked me what were my thoughts on world events, the thought that came to mind was from Proverbs 19:31. No worries.

  98. Beloved says:

    Oops that should be Proverbs 19:21 why auto correct insisted on the other 2 times is beyond me.

  99. street says:

    Before his stunning death, Jesus left his disciples with more than partisan moral arguments to selectively expose the sins of the right or the wrongs of the left. He promised to send the Spirit of Truth (John 16:8-11).

  100. street says:

    Someone just asked me what were my thoughts on world events,

    been thinking about the Christ and the antichrist.

    the Spirit would persuade the world of sin,
    9 concerning sin, because they do not believe in Me;

    9 If we receive the testimony of men, the testimony of God is greater; for the testimony of God is this, that He has testified concerning His Son. 10 The one who believes in the Son of God has the testimony in himself; the one who does not believe God has made Him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has given concerning His Son. 11 And the testimony is this, that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son.

    Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son.

    the antichrist believes that they can build a kingdom without God and their ways are blameless. this thinking started in Genesis for man, but started in heaven with satan.

    it is good to consent to the ways and will of the Lord, for He is faithful loving and trustworthy. He even lets us be apart of the plan in petition and entreaty. a Kingdom with a voice. someday silence. job chose silence once, but at the wrong time, and yet blameless.

  101. street says:

    Satan wants us to be concerned with the world around us, that which is only temporary not to know anything about the things above or the truth because that would ruin the price of this world’s hold on us.

    satan also wants us to believe we are the only one who can defend God correctly and up hold His Good Name and Word. speaking the Word, in Truth and Spirit/Love is impossible for man, but is possible because of the Spirit of Truth Jesus had sent. i speak of getting caught in the seat of moses once in awhile and it is something to watch for. what i mean is entering into judgement. it is a trap of epic proportion. whatever you measure with will be measured to you. sometimes i use the wrong standard. i think love and truth is the standard, it led Jesus to the cross. caution here, i never even mentioned prayer here. a return to God to begin to carry out His will. to love Him with all our hearts with all our minds, with all our soul, and with all our strength. Jesus is the solution to this problem. imputed righteousness by trust.

    poo we all parrot, children learn by watching their parents. follow closely the Rock you were quarried from.

  102. street says:

    he who has been forgiven little loves little, he who has been forgiven much, loves much.

    sometimes i forget how much i have been forgiven.
    what a Savior!

    Isaiah 40

  103. street says:

    The judgment that needed to be seen in Jesus’s absence: Not condemning others for their sin—something Jesus said he wouldn’t do, but—a loving judgment of the lies, misinformation, and fake news of his enemy (John 16:11).

    a bent reed He would not break off, a small ember He would not snuff out. a loving judgment and just judgement of lies misinformation fake news….to save those He Loved to the end. the way the truth the life…

  104. Beloved says:

    “a loving judgement”. Explain this to me please, “a just judgement” makes sense, but a loving judgement?

  105. Beloved says:

    Ok I reread Marts post and discovered the answer, “Nowhere was Satan more nakedly exposed than in a crucifixion that revealed how much God loves us, how lost we are, and how self-deceived and deceptive the present prince of the world is”.

  106. poohpity says:

    I think that a loving judgement of the lies, misinformation and fakes news means we have to aware of the truth before we can identify them, so to judge between lies and truth. Just like Paul did when he ran into so many who were teaching false and inaccurate gospel messages, he did not seem to confront the people but instead shared what the truth was and told the listeners not to be deceived into following lies, misinformation or fakes news. Paul explained that the only weapon we have in combating those things is the word of God, the truth, that we need to be grounded in it. If we aren’t being carried away with deception will be very easy to do.

  107. poohpity says:

    Especially if we like the person sharing it.

  108. poohpity says:

    There is often times the opposite can be true too, we can turn away from truth because we may not like the person sharing that.

  109. poohpity says:

    For example; In every country we have our embassy’s in the capital of that country except Israel, there it is in Tel-Aviv. But the truth has always been that Jerusalem is the capital of Israel as determined thousands of years ago by God.

  110. Beloved says:

    Street Nov 30@12:41;
    Foot washing, dirty feet. Learning to wash feet. The Spirit of Truth is humility in action. Could I wash the feet of an enemy? I have on!y 2 choices, wash or walk. The nitty gritty of getting down and dirty. I think trying to keep my hands clean is deception, and a snare of the devil.

  111. Beloved says:

    Last night I decided I was going to stay away from one of the apt dwellers here because she’s negative, controlling, and prone to slander. Then this morning she nocked on my door looking for help with her new Iphone. She said I was the only person she trusted here and asked if she could put my name on the coffee club check book also, which I declined. Thank you God that the spirit of truth changed MY mind about refusing to wash feet here. I’ll get dirty for sure, but the spirit can use my hands and feet for Gods purposes in the world. (I do hate getting dirty I’ll admit)

  112. street says:

    A Christian’s life is the window through which others can see Jesus. our daily bread

    we are not the light, just a reflection of the true light that comes from Christ. to say otherwise…. well lets see how far you get.

    dumping all your past sins on the unsuspecting is suspect. it can cloud the window and hinder the hearer. when does the light shine brightest?

  113. Beloved says:

    When you’re transparent.

  114. Beloved says:

    How easily monster pride steps in to take credit. Yes even non believers can be kind, trustworthy, and helpful. Not a good way to measure spiritual success. Less of me more of Jesus. Oh when will it EVER end? Come Lord Jesus, I’m sorry, please teach me to do better with our relationship.

  115. street says:

    Matthew 6:22
    “The eye is the lamp of the body; so then if your eye is clear, your whole body will be full of light.

    Matthew 6:23
    But if your eye is bad, your whole body will be full of darkness. If then the light that is in you is darkness, how great is the darkness!

    our hearts have eyes. dark heart, light heart.
    what are you looking at? looking at, is one thing focusing another. focusing, to see no other.

    1 Peter 1:15-17

    15 but like the Holy One who called you, be holy yourselves also in all your behavior; 16 because it is written, “You shall be holy, for I am holy.”

    17 If you address as Father the One who impartially judges according to each one’s work, conduct yourselves in fear during the time of your stay on earth;

  116. street says:

    Acts 15:9
    and He made no distinction between us and them, cleansing their hearts by faith.

  117. Beloved says:

    Street I can’t tell you how thankful to God I am for your presence here. I live in a rural area and have found no biblical counselors, though some Christians who do counseling, which is not the same as you know.(More eclectic). Thank you for your obedience to our LORD.

  118. Beloved says:

    Wow! Acts 15:11

  119. jeff1 says:

    Pooh says, we can turn away from truth because we may not like the person sharing that.

    I can say from experience that is exactly what I done when I took the side of the Protestants during the troubles here. I was convinced that the Catholics were biased and that we had the truth but my dad was wise enough to know that no one side has all the truth and I soon found out that us Protestants were just as good at lying as the Catholics were.

    There is no such thing as the whole truth because no one is that honest or are they able to remember that well as to what happened in their younger days.

    I am one of those people who finds time is a healer whereas I know people who can hold onto grudges especially among families for a lifetime without ever speaking to each other.

    I believe once trust in a relationship is broken then it is difficult to restore it as hurt gets in the way of some people even trying.

    We are all individuals who react differently to circumstances and some are much better than others at mending relationships because of their nature.

    I am separated from my husband but we remain friends and go shopping together while my friend has been separated for as long and there is still animosity between them.

    When you have children you must find a way to reconcile your differences or you inflict more pain on them when they have already had to deal with the break up of the marriage and that is not fair to them to my way of thinking.

  120. Regina says:

    Good Afternoon, All
    Pray all is well with you… I was just looking at the picture Mart chose for this blog topic, and I think it’s VERY interesting! Don’t know if anyone else visualized what came to my mind, but the white door reminds me of JESUS, and what He said about Himself… He’s the WAY, the TRUTH and the LIFE and no man can come to the Father except through Him…
    by putting their trust and faith in Him as their Lord and Master…
    The red room brought to mind Jesus’ BLOOD… Jesus shed His precious blood for the sins of mankind, and His blood is so POWERFUL that the devil works 24/7 to hide that spiritual TRUTH from as many as he can…
    What can wash away my sins?
    Nothing but the blood of JESUS!
    What can make me whole again?
    Nothing but the blood of JESUS!
    Oh! Precious is that flow!
    That makes me white as snow!
    No other fount I know!
    Nothing but the blood of JESUS! (A heart icon goes right here)
    I’m still pondering the significance of the swing… nothing has come to mind yet…

    39 degrees and partly cloudy in my neck of the woods…

    Love to all,
    Regina

  121. street says:

    swing or fence same outcome. the way is very narrow and few that find it.

  122. street says:

    the swing vacillates between the right side of the road and the left side of the road. Dad will soon take it down. some out grow it and move on. invite as many as you can to get off the swing and follow Jesus. you will be know as a peace maker. just thinking

  123. Beloved says:

    Regina I was looking at the heater and thinking about how comfortable I can get in my own sins, to where I can’t even see them until the Light shines on them. Jesus has to give me my vision back as He did Paul’s. Truth and light go hand in hand. The Spirit gives both I think.
    Glad you are back posting here!

  124. street says:

    If one is not aware of or know very well the Spirit of Truth with what do they have to compare anything too? I learned in church today that Simeon told Mary that her son would reveal the thoughts that are in the hearts of man (people).
    John 3:18-20
    18 He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 This is the judgment, that the Light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the Light, for their deeds were evil. 20 For everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come to the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed.

    Luke 8:16-18
    16 “Now no one after lighting a lamp covers it over with a container, or puts it under a bed; but he puts it on a lampstand, so that those who come in may see the light. 17 For nothing is hidden that will not become evident, nor anything secret that will not be known and come to light. 18 So take care how you listen; for whoever has, to him more shall be given; and whoever does not have, even what he thinks he has shall be taken away from him.”

    looks like a promise of growth. poo was right you must start with Jesus.

  125. poohpity says:

    It seems that even demons knew who Jesus is sometimes much before those who followed after Him or those the people looked up to as religious leaders. (Luke 4:34; Matt 8:29; James 2:19-20) The distinction seems to be for the one who trust in the Lord are the actions that bare the truth like loving our enemies; showing grace to those who we feel may not deserve it, just like we were shown; helping widows and orphans; spreading the gospel; sharing God’s word, etc. rather than coaxing or leading others to hate or reject, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, slander, gossip, arrogance and disorder.

  126. poohpity says:

    Those later things Paul was afraid that he would see in the church of Corinth rather than brotherly/sisterly love.

  127. Beloved says:

    Mart brings up the difference between moral failure and sin, the sin of not believing in Jesus. “Endless list of moral failures” so true and easy to get caught on that merry go round-roller coaster that so easily detracts and distracts from simple love and faith in what Jesus did, and Who He has become for us, LORD. LORD You can change me, come Spirit of Truth and change my mind, again, today.

  128. street says:

    The distinction seems to be for the one who trust in the Lord are the actions that bare the truth like loving our enemies; showing grace to those who we feel may not deserve it, just like we were shown;

    thinking of demons believing in the Lord, but have no works. devoid of the Spirit of God. the elect over come the world by faith and this too by the Spirit of God, not the flesh. yes we are in flesh, but we are reminded to walk by the Spirit in faith in our Lord and Savior Jesus the Christ. when we walk according to the Spirit we will put the deeds of the flesh to death, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, slander, gossip, arrogance and disorder. yes we will struggle with the flesh, but we must wait for the early rain and the late rains like the farmer. God is faithful and will not withhold any good thing from His children.

  129. street says:

    James 4:8
    Draw near to God and He will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners; and purify your hearts, you double-minded.

    thinking we have to do this everyday. if it was not for the Spirit of Truth we would have become like sodom and gomorrah. we have a living Hope.

  130. Beloved says:

    His mercies are new every morning, not just the day or moment we invited Jesus to live in us, or accepted Jesus as Lord and savior, or the day we were baptized. We need Him every day.

  131. Beloved says:

    Ha I grew up in sodom-gomorah. The memories still haunt but the light of God’s goodness shines brighter every day!

  132. Beloved says:

    Thanks that’s very helpful, waiting for latter rains just like the farmer. Hope is amazing!

  133. Beloved says:

    Thinking we are all victims of this broken world/Satan in one way or another, but Gods mercy is for all, because we all are in debt to God who is only able to set things right. A right relationship with Him is where to start. Then we can be conduits of Gods mercy to others, through grace by faith in what Jesus did for us.

  134. jeff1 says:

    Lord, the light of your love is shining
    in the midst of the darkness, shining
    Jesus, Light of the world, shine upon us
    Set us free by the truth you now bring us
    Shine on me, shine on me.

    Shine, Jesus, shine
    Fill this land with the Father’s glory
    Blaze, Spirit, blaze
    Set our hearts on fire
    Flow, river, flow
    Flood the nations with grace and mercy
    Send forth your word
    Lord, and let there be light

    Lord, I come to your awesome presence
    From the shadows into your radiance
    By the blood I may enter your brightness
    Search me, try me, consume all my darkness
    Shine on me, shine on me

    As we gaze on your kingly brightness
    So our faces display your likeness
    Every changing from glory to glory
    Mirrored here may our lives tell your story
    Shine on me, shine on me.

  135. foreverblessed says:

    That was a beautiful song Jeff!

    Regina, I had been thinking about that picture too.
    The morning before I read your comment, I had been praying too God, for more faith! Childlike faith.

    And then I saw your comment, and looked at the picture:
    A swing!!!

    We can enter that room, in the faith of the blood of Christ, that cleanses us, and sit on that swing and like a child start swinging!

    Yes! Great!
    I know an old lady, who, when she sees a swing starts swinging. She is 83 years old, and has faith as a child!
    Sure and uncomplicated

  136. foreverblessed says:

    That’s what Jesus has said:
    Unless you become like little children, you in no way can enter the Kingdom of heaven!

    I am in the train right now, going to Amsterdam, for a big Scratch of the Messiah, up to thousand singers!
    I greatly look forward to that!
    And I picture the Psalms that say: let all the people’s praise Him
    Psalm 67.

    God bless you all today!

  137. Mart DeHaan says:

    Want you all to know that I appreciate so much the conversation that followed the last post. It ended with some wonderful thoughts from a song, and then this morning from another time zone. So am copying them here.

    jeff1 says:
    December 8, 2017 at 4:38 pm
    Lord, the light of your love is shining
    in the midst of the darkness, shining
    Jesus, Light of the world, shine upon us
    Set us free by the truth you now bring us
    Shine on me, shine on me.

    Shine, Jesus, shine
    Fill this land with the Father’s glory
    Blaze, Spirit, blaze
    Set our hearts on fire
    Flow, river, flow
    Flood the nations with grace and mercy
    Send forth your word
    Lord, and let there be light

    Lord, I come to your awesome presence
    From the shadows into your radiance
    By the blood I may enter your brightness
    Search me, try me, consume all my darkness
    Shine on me, shine on me

    As we gaze on your kingly brightness
    So our faces display your likeness
    Every changing from glory to glory
    Mirrored here may our lives tell your story
    Shine on me, shine on me.

    foreverblessed says:
    December 9, 2017 at 3:21 am
    That was a beautiful song Jeff!

    Regina, I had been thinking about that picture too.
    The morning before I read your comment, I had been praying too God, for more faith! Childlike faith.

    And then I saw your comment, and looked at the picture:
    A swing!!!

    We can enter that room, in the faith of the blood of Christ, that cleanses us, and sit on that swing and like a child start swinging!

    Yes! Great!
    I know an old lady, who, when she sees a swing starts swinging. She is 83 years old, and has faith as a child!
    Sure and uncomplicated

    foreverblessed says:
    December 9, 2017 at 3:24 am
    That’s what Jesus has said:
    Unless you become like little children, you in no way can enter the Kingdom of heaven!

    I am in the train right now, going to Amsterdam, for a big Scratch of the Messiah, up to thousand singers!
    I greatly look forward to that!
    And I picture the Psalms that say: let all the people’s praise Him
    Psalm 67.

    God bless you all today!

  138. Beloved says:

    Forever that will be a truly wonderful event to be in, are you soprano, Alto or?

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