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Old New Year Thought

One more thought from the late British author and pastor of Westminster Chapel (1904-1919), G Campbell Morgan. After describing what he had personally seen in the Welsh Revivals of 1904-05, he went on to urge his readers to learn from what the Spirit had done in the lives of others. While acknowledging the impossibility of managing a regional spiritual renewal he adds,

Morgan quote: We might well begin each in our sphere by doing good turns to our enemies, wiping out the memories of old grudges, reconciling offended relatives, and forgiving others, even as we hope to be forgiven. God or no God, soul or no soul, this earth is made much more like hell than heaven by persisting in these grudges, jealousies, animosities, and unkind feelings one toward another.

What a glad New Year it would be if we could begin by being in charity with everybody, in love with every man, woman and child with whom we have a personal acquaintance! Then when we have cast out from our own souls the evil spirits of bitterness, rancor, unfriendliness, jealousy, and have forgiven all those who have injured us, or, a much harder task, whom we have injured, we shall be better prepared to receive the outpouring of the divine blessing which we all profess to desire.” End of quote

Morgan’s suggestions for making room for the Spirit in a season of New Year seems to capture a timely thought for ourselves and one another.


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  1. poohpity says:

    Wow, beautiful. Garbage out, divine nature in.

  2. Beloved says:

    Mart these same thoughts have been on my mind lately, I am receiving grace daily to forgive someone I know personally that has wounded me. We can only manage people we have that personal relationship with, our sphere of influence, right. I do think it’s good to separate out the public from the private face to face interactions as God lays before us in our daily lives what He wants to use to teach and train us to love as he loves. Sometimes public forums can become way too twisted and hateful. Is this God’s will, no. Perhaps if our public lives become too much we should put more energy and time into seeking ways to be better lovers of ourselves as His beloved children and loving those that are within our sphere of influence better? Just thinking about boundaries and the will of God.

    Should we also love the butcher Baker and candlestick maker? Yes of course, but do they come home with us? Sometimes it’s wise to set boundaries, unless God has other plans for our lives and causes a divine interruption. But our focus should nonetheless be those immediately around us.

    Thanks Mart I will be focusing harder on my friends and family issues and how I can be a better lover of souls.

  3. Beloved says:

    Another thought comes to mind; if there are struggles in church maybe being the loving one is the best revenge–The revenge that is most pleasing to God because it wins over our enemies :-)

  4. Beloved says:

    And His enemies.

  5. poohpity says:

    I think what Morgan was saying that we have to start looking within and identifying our own garbage then by realizing what God has done for us then how we treat others, everyone who we come in contact with, will be a divine reflection of that.

  6. street says:

    Old New Year Thought
    thinking of this unity and peace, found in the body of Christ. so elusive, yet attainable and freely given by our Lord. thinking again this unity can not be found in a divided soul. Jesus invites us to come to Him,” my yoke is easy and light!” these broken cistern and artificial light leave one empty and dismayed. the invitation to drink freely of the waters of life remain. happy are those who fine this water sitting on book shelf or just a simple plea away. God Bless you as you sit stand and walk in the light of His Word.

  7. Beloved says:

    Pooh i have to say that looking within has always been a dead end road for me. Only when as street said I read scripture or ask Jesus for help do I find peace. I’ve learned I can’t trust myself at all, it’s so easy for me to deceive myself.

  8. SFDBWV says:

    Have been dealing with the cold and snow for the past few days and so have looked in on BTA but haven’t really had the time to say anything. Seen this new subject up late yesterday and have given it some “thought”.

    I think what comes to mind first is the timelines in which Morgan wrote his “thoughts”. Some 113 years ago. And as I read the Bible written some 2,000 years ago we are still dealing with the same problems and dealing with the same advice in dealing with them.

    Very little has changed, and the same germ of disorder and destruction virally moves within the Body of Christ as well as in the world.

    What Mart has shared from Morgan is the ideal attitude of not only the Christian, but of a world looking for peace.

    In the Sermon on the Mount Jesus presented the ideal as well. Most of us recognize that we can never live up to such an ideal.

    We can accomplish some success because of the indwelling of Christ in us, but to reach the ideal is always going to be just out of reach.

    Only Jesus, only God as a man was able to reach the ideal attitude of Holiness.

    Our life is going to always be a journey or struggle towards it.

    Whereas we are responsible for our own behavior and attitude, we cannot be responsible for any other, and it is the actions and attitudes of others that come into conflict with our achieving that ideal for ourselves.

    And so it is a battle, a lifelong battle.

    Billy Graham helped me understand this years ago, when he said as long as there is conflict within you, God is present with you. It is when you don’t feel the conflict you should worry.

    More to say I am sure as time may allow.

    -6 degrees and clear.

    Steve

  9. poohpity says:

    But isn’t that what scriptures do when led by the Spirit? Those words are like surgical steal that help reveal everything in us down to the bone and marrow. Hebrews 4:12-13 Nothing is hidden from God and it seems when we admit to them and agree with God then we can open heartedly receive the wonderful gift we have been given and that is so freeing at least it is for me. The very reason we need grace, mercy and forgiveness then we no longer feel the need to withhold it from others.

  10. poohpity says:

    Happy New Year everyone.

    Being freed from the cocoon of self deception to be turned in to a beautiful Butterfly, new life from the old.

  11. jeff1 says:

    I agree, Beloved, I must know my own weaknesses and I too have found it’s so easy for me to deceive myself.

    My dad understood where God was leading him and consequently he made God given choices.

    I am much more my mum and I now know that my dad knew God better than my mum because he was raised in a God fearing home while my mum was not.

    When I look within I end up consumed with guilt and that has a negative affect on my faith in God.
    I have to keep looking upwards and onwards and leave it in God’s hands for to find peace.

    I cannot trust my own understanding and look to my Reverend for reassurance.

    We had a New Year’s Eve Covenant Service which I have taken extracts to share with you as we commence this New Year united in our belief that Jesus is with us from darkest night to rainbow’s end He’s our ‘Forever Friend.’

    Call to Worship
    Grace and peace to you from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. Let us worship God.

    Scripture Sentence
    Lord God of Israel, there is no God like you in Heaven above or on earth beneath keeping covenant with your servants and showing them constant love while they continue faithful to you with all their hearts. (1Kings 8: 23)

    Prayer of Approach
    Gracious God, through Christ you call us to share in you covenant, in baptism you brought us into union with Christ within the family of His Church. Give us the power of your Spirit, that we may put to death our evil desires, and rise to newness of life in Christ, with thoughts aspiring to the realm above and wills eager to live His Gospel. Amen

    Prayer for Forgiveness
    Heavenly Father, at all times you have shown singular favour to all who love you. Look not upon the many sins by which we offend you, seeing we are so fragile and weak, but remember the covenant you made with our ancestors and ratified in your Son Jesus Christ. By its virtue, may we assure ourselves of your eternal salvation; and with your angels praise and glorify you forever. Amen.

    Collect of the Day
    Almighty God, who wonderfully created us in your own image and yet more wonderfully restored us through your Son Jesus Christ: Grant that, as he came to share in our humanity, so we may share the life of his divinity; who is alive and reigns with you and the Holy Spirit, one God, now and for ever. Amen.

    Old Testament Reading: Isaiah 63: 7-9

    Psalm 133

    New Testament Reading: Hebrews 2: 10-18

    Sermon

    Response to the Word of God
    Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures.
    He was crucified, died and was buried. He rose again on the third day. Afterwards He appeared to His disciples and to all His followers. He ascended into Heaven and is seated at the right hand of God the Father. He will come again to judge the living and the dead and His Kingdom will never end. This we have received and this we believe. Amen.

    Covenant
    In the old covenant, God chose Israel to be His people and to obey His laws. We stand within the new covenant made by the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ and we bear His name. We are initiated into this covenant by baptism, dying with Christ, being buried with Christ and rising with Christ to a a life of faith, hope and love. The covenant is renewed each time we meet at the Lord’s Table. In the strength of the covenant which He has made with His people let us bind ourselves anew to God who has so graciously bound Himself to us. And let us gladly take the yoke of Christ upon us.

    I ask therefore:
    Do you turn to Christ?
    I do

    Do you then renounce the Devil and all his works?
    I do by God’s help.

    Will you obey and serve Christ?
    I will, by God’s help.

    Christ has many services to be done; some are easy, some are difficult, some bring sorrow, others bring reproach; some are suited to our natural inclinations and material interests, others are contrary to both. In some, we please Christ and please ourselves, in others we cannot please Christ except by denying ourselves. Yet the power to do all things is given us in Christ who strengthens us.
    Ley us pray:
    God of love and faithfulness, you have appointed our Lord Jesus Christ as mediator of the new covenant. Give us grace to join ourselves in a perpetual covenant with you, as with joy we take upon us the yoke of glad obedience, and engage ourselves to see to do you perfect will. We are no longer ours but yours:

    John Wesley’s Covenant Prayer
    We are no longer ours, but yours. Put us to what you will. Rank us with whom you will; put us to doing, put us to suffering; let us be employed for you or laid aside for you, exalted for you or brought low for you; let us be full, let us be empty; let us have all things, let us have nothing; we freely and wholeheartedly yield all things to your pleasure and disposal.
    And now, glorious and blessed God, Father, Son and Holy Spirit, you are ours and we are yours. May this covenant, now made on earth be ratified in Heaven, to the glory of your name. Amen.

    Blessing
    May the God of peace who brought back from the dead our Lord Jesus, the great Shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant, make you perfect in all goodness so that you may do His will; and may He create in you what is pleasing to Him. And the blessing of God Almighty, Father Son and Holy Ghost be with you, and remain with you, now and always. Amen.

    Dismissal
    Go in peace to love and serve the Lord.
    In the name of Christ. Amen.

    Of the four hymns I chose this New Years Hymn written by our Rector: Tune Auld Lang Syne
    Lord, send us out this day prepared
    To meet a brand new year,
    Fill us with hope and peace and joy
    And banish every fear.

    O Father, Son and Holy Ghost,
    The God whom we adore,
    We praise you name and glorify
    Our God forever more.

    Lord may our sorrows all be small
    That we with joy may sing,
    Of Jesus Christ who comes to us,
    With healing in His wings.

    And may this New Year that will come
    Bring happy times for all,
    May we be faithful to you, Lord,
    In answering your call.

    And may each knee before you bow.
    And every tongue confess,
    That Jesus Christ is Lord of all,
    The Son of Righteousness

  12. poohpity says:

    Monica Brand from ODB writes, “God invites us to bring our whole selves–the parts of ourselves we like and the parts of ourselves we’re ashamed of or afraid of–before Him. Because it is only when we come before Him in our weakness that we experience the healing power of His love.

    This requires time, patience and constant dependence on God in prayer, especially since many of us are uncomfortable with looking to deeply into the broken parts of ourselves.

    Our Savior, who fully understands our struggles, invites us to courageously bring them before God’s throne. As we do, we experience the wonder of His never-ending mercy and grace.”

    That does many things in one’s life;

    1. It keeps us from judging others and pointing out their shortcomings.

    2. Then when we have identified from our own souls the evil spirits of bitterness, rancor, unfriendliness, jealousy, lies and have forgiven all those who have injured us, or, a much harder task, whom we have injured.

    3. Then we can be totally amazed at God’s grace, mercy and forgiveness. That is what heals us, knowing all that we are naked before God yet He gave His life for us. Love covers a multitude of sin but if we do not realize that sin then His grace means nothing. That is what it means to take His grace for granted or step all over it and we in turn love very little and the truth is not in us.

  13. Beloved says:

    Steve I feel the same way as you that when I’m around someone who tempts me to go away from God by sinning, usually a sin I myself struggle with, I want to flee or make them better. I’m learning that to be a “role model for Godly living” is something I can never live up to completely, because where one sin within is conquered 100 more are lurking in the shadows of my sick heart. The only thing that saves me is the knowledge that God has given me a new heart, I am a new woman in God’s economy made new by the blood of Christ and renewed in my mind by that very fact of Christ’s once for all-time atonement. Where I am weak to withstand ungodliness if even only for a short time He is strong to cover and carry, to hide me in the shadows of His wings as it were until the time is passed. Divine appts are not always good and pleasant, sometimes God’s Justice must come in order that mercy may be perceived and understood, then comes acceptance with great joy! This is what I believe at the moment anyway, I may be wrong.

  14. Beloved says:

    Viv thank you for the excerpts from your service. I really miss the liturgical church I was sent to, (Presbyterian) as a child. Maybe I’ll give it a try again one Sunday. The one I attend now has no liturgy, only a few scriptures are read and a short pastoral prayer at the end.

  15. jeff1 says:

    I would not say I am uncomfortable about looking at the brokenness in me, its what give me empathy with humankind. I am tired of sin which manifests itself in thought, word and what I have left undone, against ‘You Lord’ I have sinned.

    I believed I could keep the commandments which is what lead to my brokenness so I know I can leave my brokenness with Him because He understands while others condemn me in ignorance while God knows His children individually and collectively for He gathers them to His breast as the Good Shepherd gathers His sheep.

    TO GOD BE THE GLORY GREAT THINGS HE HATH DONE

  16. Beloved says:

    Pooh on point 3 I disagree. Christ died while we were yet sinners. Grace is a gift, it cannot be earned . Knowing I was saved from ALL my sin, known and unknown, is my salvation from Jesus.. because of Jesus only. I think God smiles when we realise just how needy we are for His grace, mercy and forgiveness no matter what state of Knowing or of not knowing our sins that we are in. But of course confession of known sin is good for me, and for those I have sinned against, as it shows the depth of the mercy of God to others.

  17. Beloved says:

    Happy New Year because of Jesus to you also Pooh and everyone else here!

    Steve I love what B.Graham said about conflict within. I guess that’s why so many think they are doing just fine in their atheism or agnosticism. No light no conflict. I pray all the time for God’s light to shine on unbelievers, opening blind eyes so they may see Jesus.

    When I was working I had a sign on my office wall to remind me and others: Things often get worse before they get better. Our clients usually came from either jail or state hospitals and needed a lot of mercy, kindness, good food and warm blankets as well as rules to get them on a pathway to normalcy so they could live peacefully and successfully in society again. It was so great to see even the tiniest of changes from those who created the largest conflicts, and I focused on those tiny changes. I loved my work!! Seeing God at work is a great treasure! Pooh I’m sure you and Chris also can say amen to that!

  18. jeff1 says:

    Beloved, my church gives me a safe haven where I meet with fellow believers and share their lives. It is a 2-way street where we sympathize with each other in grief and rejoice when we come together for christenings and marriages.

    In a world that can often seem harsh I cherish a place to worship because its us and God against the world and then I think of how it doesn’t have to be a church but any place where people gather to give thanks to God.

    It is a time when our prayers are less ‘me’ focused and more ‘world’ focused as we pray for peace throughout the whole world thinking particularly of countries that are experiencing unrest or persecution.

    I will share with you some good news that my brother-in-lay received the British Empire Medal for service to his community and when our Rector mentioned it at the Service he spoke of how much service he has given to the church as well over the years.

    While my brother-in-law says other have served as well I know that he has went the extra mile and he does not know who put him forward but he has received numerous messages of congratulations from the community at large.

    It is good to share whether it be joy or sorrow it gives us hope for each other in a world where many do not have hope.

    It is for us to be hopeful for those who have lost the will to be as we are strengthened in the knowledge that God is with us and therefore we have already won the victory through Christ whether this world sees it or not.

  19. foreverblessed says:

    Happy New Year, fellow bloggers!

    Happy as being blest by God Himself through Jesus!

    What an inspiring post Mart wrote!
    The encouragement that we be perfect.
    You could say: we cannot ever be perfect in this life.

    The why would Jesus tell us : Be ye perfect!
    And Jesus would not command us anything that we could not do, as we know: without Him we can do nothing.

    I like the ye, instead of you!

    Because it is such an outrageous command: Be ye perfect!

    In the devotion I always read, it was asked:
    Would you aim for anything less?

    With Him we can do anything He asks ofusus!

    Thanks Jeff for that lithurgy, where at the end the blessing is asked:
    May God make you perfect…
    in goodness

    And may I add:
    in love
    in peace
    in perseverance
    in long-suffering
    in self-control
    Gal 5:22-23

  20. street says:

    What a glad New Year it would be if we could begin by being in charity with everybody, in love with every man, woman and child with whom we have a personal acquaintance!

    Philippians 4:
    9 The things you have learned and received and heard and seen in me, practice these things, and the God of peace will be with you.
    God’s Provisions

    10 But I rejoiced in the Lord greatly, that now at last you have revived your concern for me; indeed, you were concerned before, but you lacked opportunity. 11 Not that I speak from want, for I have learned to be content in whatever circumstances I am.

    Galatians 5:13
    For you were called to freedom, brethren; only do not turn your freedom into an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another.

    Colossians 4:5
    Conduct yourselves with wisdom toward outsiders, making the most of the opportunity.

    Ephesians 4:27
    and do not give the devil an opportunity.

  21. poohpity says:

    Beloved, where in #3 did it say we earn grace? It says we can not embrace grace unless we realize we have sin. We will have sin until the day we leave this flesh. We will however sin less but never be sinless. If we do not realize that we have sin how do we confess?

    forever, if you leave the verse, “You therefore must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.” in the context of the whole paragraph one will see that Jesus was not talking about being sinless but showing love even to those who do not love us back which is what God the Father did through Jesus Christ. This is the verse left in context in Matt 5;

    Jesus said;
    “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven. For he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? And if you greet only your brothers, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same? You therefore must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

    Maybe to start this New Year everyone can take a journey through the bible even it is only the New Testament to see what it is exactly that Jesus does teach and what is in our own hearts so we do not compare ourselves with others.

  22. poohpity says:

    “For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart. And no creature is hidden from his sight, but all are naked and exposed to the eyes of him to whom we must give account.” Hebrews 4:12-13

    It is God we give an account to, not each other. When we take a journey through His word we see ourselves more clearly and then we can embrace His mercy, forgiveness and grace tighter and spend less time taking the inventory of anyone else, so then we can treat others with charity. By charity the author Morgan was using it to mean: kindness and tolerance in judging others.

  23. poohpity says:

    Earning grace is an oxymoron.

    But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved—………….. For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. Eph 2

  24. Beloved says:

    My apologies pooh for not being specific but its this sentence i was addressing, “Love covers a multitude of sin but if we do not realize that sin then His grace means nothing.” It just doesn’t sound right to me. It sounds like grace is not available, ever, if one is not aware. I don’t think that’s what you meant though. It just struck me as wrong. Youve told me a couple times I think differently than most, be merciful to me, a sinner. Thanks.

  25. Beloved says:

    Thinking it must be lonely to only be accountable to God and not another in this life. We are accountable to one another which is why Paul’s writings are full of teachings about proper conduct in the church. Even Paul made himself accountable by sharing his past, present and future hopes with his fellowships. What a man of God he was!

  26. Regina says:

    ((Happy)) New Year, BTA Friends!
    I pray that this year will be one of the happiest and most prosperous… Have been very busy with holiday festivities and chores (I attended a phenomenal New Year’s Eve service at my church last night), so please bear with me as I visit The Mystery of Song blog (comments) one last time…
    You’re welcome, forever, re: how Christmas is celebrated in other countries. And, no, we do not have Boxing Day… I think it’s interesting that you celebrate Christmas twice and have 2 national holidays! What do you mean when you say “everybody is free”? We don’t celebrate Eastern Day in the U.S. (at least I’m not aware of it if we do) and don’t celebrate 1st and 2nd Pentecost. Pentecost day is Easter Sunday in America. I love the way the people in your country love to sing, and I stand in agreement with you that the Lord will use their love of song to plant a seed in their heart that will lead to a relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ! How do I refer to the citizens in your country? As you know, since I live in America, I’m an American… You live in the Netherlands, so how are you identified?
    Narrow… I don’t live in Florida, I live in Texas, and the temps here have been very cold for the past 3 days…
    Steve, you’re extremely blessed to live in an area where you get to be so up close and personal with nature… Some people have never seen animals living in their natural habitat. They’ve lived in the city their entire lives, and they’ve only seen animals at the zoo.
    Pooh, the song you shared, Tell Me the Story of Jesus brought tears to my eyes… Love the stanza, “write on my heart every word”… I’m SO glad someone told me the story of Jesus!
    php, I think it’s awesome that the citizens in your country do SO much to try to make Christmas special for the children… It makes me long for the Christmas season again…
    Well, doing laundry right now… will have more time to chat later on today or tomorrow…

    28 degrees (real feel 24 degrees) in my neck of the woods… We got some sunshine today, but I love grey days too.

    Love to all,
    Regina

  27. jeff1 says:

    It seems to me Pooh you are splitting hairs when it comes to sin. Just a wrong thought is sin so how can a believer not know they sin as how difficult it is not to have a wrong thought in a world as wayward as this one. We are tempted beyond what we can endure and confessing it to God makes us right with God because of His grace.

    If you have been a Christian all your days then you know Jesus’s teaching by now but the truth is I am struggling just as hard as the non believer in a world that as lost its way when it comes to knowing God.

    The reason being that we have surpassed our knowledge of God by delving into scripture when God wanted us to open our hearts to Him and He would enlighten us by the Holy Spirit so that we would see His works even in a dark world.

    I wander from God’s truth and it is not because I don’t know Jesus’s teaching but lack of obedience to the indwelling Holy Spirit.

    God saves us by His grace as a gift because He knows how fragile we are and its as simple as that, sin is still what separates us.

    My dad was obedient to God and consequently He did God’s will while my weakness is to wander and I am consistently taking refuge in Christ.

    A disciple is chosen by God because of obedience while a sheep is constantly wandering until the Good Shepherd gathers them up in His arms.

    I stopped comparing myself with others a long time ago and look to God for approval but I also know my heart must be open to receive His Spirit and the struggles of my mind are what drives me to draw on His grace as I am tired of wandering in the darkness and just long for Him to carry me home as He is the only one I trust to get me there.

  28. SFDBWV says:

    In the movie “Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade” Sean Connery berates a German SS officer by telling him “That goose stepping morons (like him) should try reading books instead of burning them.”

    All over the globe Islamic extremists and militants burn Bibles, usually along with Israeli and American flags, in their demonstrations of bigotry and hate.

    Their actions along with a long list, now, of terrorism and senseless murder is how I am forced to view the religion of Islam.

    I want to specify “the religion of Islam” not specifically any individual who may be Islamic in faith.

    I suppose that Morgan wrote the topics quotes prior to WWI.

    Equally I am reminded that the renowned Oswald Chambers wrote all of his recorded sermons to WWI soldiers engaged in mortal combat with both Christian and Islamic foes.

    There is the ideal and then there is life.

    Looking at the fragile world we live in, living in peace and safety as we do, we must rely on men and women poised to do whatever it may require in order for us to live in peace and security.

    Those police officers and soldiers are ready to do violent acts against a common enemy of the people for the people.

    As a Christian, how are we seen by both the “enemy” and by other Christians?

    How we are seen is reliant upon our actions. How our Christianity is seen is by our actions.

    What is in our hearts come out of our mouths and demonstrated by our actions.

    Are we peace a peace maker or a trouble maker?

    Since we are to represent Jesus, how well do you think you do?

    Morgan has given us the ideal, but life gets in the way and then we are forced to live with a world that is in own words, an earth much more like hell than heaven.

    -2 this morning and falling as it always gets coldest before the dawn.

    Steve

  29. foreverblessed says:

    Steve, you brought up the point of “being perfect” in the light of the ideal the Morgan portrays, and I thought that to be a perfect match: Perfect in the sense of: following Jesus as He has instructed us.

    My mother went to Israel last year, and a guide, an Israeli took her group around the Garden of Gethsemane, and he told the group, who were all christians: Your new commandment is the Beattitudes Jesus gave in Matthew 5,6 and 7. And the guide knew everything that Jesus had said there. I found that very interesting that a non-christian man could see very perfect what the new life in Christ is meant, while we as christians look more to keeping the 10 commanments, and not sinning, he saw that what Jesus meant superseded the commandments of the old testament!

    I found also the prayer that Jeff gave:
    May God make you perfect in goodness.

    that is a higher meaning than to say be you perfect in not sinning.

    Perfect in goodness, perfect in peace, perfect in love.

    And I believe that we as christians should be full of anticipation in what God can do IN us, full of trust that God through the Holy Spirit can make us perfect, one step at a time,but steadily, even in a dark world! But Especially in a dark surrounding.

    How many times have I not heard the testimony of christians, who were struggling against difficult situations, difficult people, and that God would answer them:
    I am not changing the situation, but I am changing you, and making you strong IN Christ, in the situation.

  30. foreverblessed says:

    When I read this new topic, I immediately had to think about David, and his ordeal with king Saul.
    I had to think, Paul instructed us to have peace with everybody, as much as is possible on your own side:
    That is: forgiving them, not holding grudges, not reapying evil for evil, and all the things Morgan gives cited by Mart.

    But how much David would have tried on his part, there was no peace with Saul.

    It is God through the Holy Spirit that guides us, how to react to such a person as king Saul was. A hardened man.
    And in the process of dealing with such a person near to you,their is also a purifying process inside myself, seeing how much I still react according to my old man. It is me myself who has to see when the reaction is from the old man, and I myself have to stop giving that old man a possibility to react.
    Paul in his writing is very very stern about that: Kill the old man, not restricting it, not calming it, but killing it!

    Be renewed in your thinking, take captive every thought that goes against the Spirit.

    Start sining spiritual songs, and hymns, and psalms instead, fill your mind with positive things, even in this world,
    Especially in this world!

  31. foreverblessed says:

    Reapying-repaying

    I should have typed first the p then the a

    Regina, I am with you, I also would have gone on with the topic of songs, I really liked what everybody wrote last week on the topic. Beloved, who playes the violin, and the piano. (I would love to make music together with yo Beloved!) And who sang christian songs to her children! How great that was!
    And I was thinking, I could have done that when my children were young! And I had left my church, and was in chaos about going to another church. (not in choas in faith in Christ though, it was as if Jesus was especially close to me at that time,being at my side, and comforting me)
    But God can make everything whole, everything that I have left undone, God makes in one peace. But I am already thinking about singing to my grandchildren, (who are not there yet, my children must first have stability in their relations).
    I play the piano, and am learning to sing now as well. Having singing lessons. My teacher encourages me to sing solo. I am part of a choir, singing when many other singers are around me.
    The singing teacher, makes me sing alone, and the first thing she says:
    -Look at the words, what do they mean to you?
    -then speak the words, and see where the accent is. -Now hum the melody
    -and paly the piano part

    -and then at the end put everything together, the words, the spiritual meaning they have to you personally, the melody, the accompanying music, and there you go! God bless

  32. poohpity says:

    Wow I guess my understanding of what Morgan was saying is way different it seems than most of you. The old part is because we learned through Christ that how we treat one another is very important to how we want this new year to be and that effects our relationship with God as well. It does not included global or general unattainable ideals, it shows the choices we can make starting today in how we interact with others when we are aware of the many areas we ourselves falter or fail then we can treat people in a more charitable way because that is how we desire to be treated. It starts one person at a time, in one relationship at a time within our immediate surroundings or our sphere of influence.

    Acting on what we have learned from our example of Jesus not reacting to every circumstance but acting in a manner that shows we are aware of the grace, mercy and forgiveness that was given to us. It was not deserved or earned but gifted because of a love that is greater than any love we have ever experienced. To hold grudges, bitterness, unforgiveness, anger, hate is far beyond anything that God has ever done to us but God will take us through the “process” of healing to let go.

    When we confess to God, He throws those things away as far as the east is from the west and remembers them no more, so our slate is clean. That is at each confession. There is nothing better than to start each day or year with a clean slate leaving the past behind well unless there is someone, if we have the courage, that we still need to make amends to.

    One says they desire peace but yet do all they can to still contribute to chaos by holding on to things that happen in the past that causes torment and ugliness within their very souls. To bring peace we can start within our own selves, families and familiar relationships or the people we come in contact with on a daily basis. Change can happen when it begins with one person at a time and that one person is usually us, that is the only one we are responsible for.

  33. poohpity says:

    God does not seem to treat us like those parent’s who have spoiled their children by making excuses or allows us to blame others for bad behavior, He rather wants us to admit when we do wrong and then gives us a better way to live by forgiving us, showing us mercy and giving us the gift of grace. (1 Peter 4:8; Proverbs 10:12)

  34. poohpity says:

    If the God of all creation does that for us it would behoove us to do it for others.

  35. poohpity says:

    “Not that I have already obtained all this, or have already been perfected, but I press on to take hold of that for which Christ Jesus took hold of me. Brothers and sisters, I do not consider myself yet to have laid hold of it. But one thing I do: Forgetting what is behind and straining toward what is ahead, I press on toward the goal to win the prize of God’s heavenly calling in Christ Jesus.” Philippians 3

  36. poohpity says:

    That was Paul talking and when Jesus took hold of him, it was when he was murdering innocent people who believed in Jesus. So He experienced just exactly what God had saved him from through forgiveness, grace and mercy and because of that love he did not repeat his old behaviors but knew that he still had many areas yet to be worked on but knew that one day the work would be complete. Phil 1:6

  37. SFDBWV says:

    You are a beautiful person Foreverblessed and a blessing to me here on BTA. Thank you for your calm and tender thoughts.

    One of the things about trying to have conversation in this format is that it takes so long to write and even longer in between thoughts. I always have a dozen abstract thoughts that branch out from each and can take off in far too many directions.

    If I covered them all I would get nothing done but set here at the keyboard all day.

    If I would condense my thoughts along Mart’s New Year topic I would simply say that “talk is cheap.” And “actions speak louder than words.”

    How easy it is to say all of the things Morgan brings to the table, and in reality have very difficult it is to live up to them.

    There are things that is written that God hates. God gets angry and God gets even.

    Yet we are held accountable for doing the same, but not from God, rather from those who hide behind the name of Jesus. Using our failure to live up to the perfect ideal of Christianity as an excuse for their own actions and in a use against us.

    David and Saul are good examples. Where David would not kill Saul it was only because God had anointed Saul and David seen killing Saul as an affront to God.

    Still Saul called out to God in word, but his actions were far from it.

    There is a song Johnny Cash sings “The_Man_Comes_Around”

    It speaks truth…

    Have a very blessed day.

    Steve

  38. narrowpathseeker says:

    Good Morning Friends. For everyone that is experiencing extreme cold…I hope all are keeping warm and for those who are not I hope you are thanking God for that Blessing as well as for ALL of our Blessings. Regina…I am sorry…I don’t know why I thought you were in FL.

    Foreverblessed, I really like the point you made about Saul never changing regardless of all that David did right towards him. Saul’s end wasn’t pleasant. Sometimes we are subjected to the Sauls of this world that just don’t get it no matter how many times and how many people try to enlighten them and do good unto them…they just have to present themselves as the most authoritative person in any group and be the center of anything going on or being said. It is very mentally, emotionally, and spiritually challenging to deal with the Sauls we encounter…especially when trying to be obedient to our Lord…

    I find that praying for such men or women and ignoring them as much as possible is the best I can do. …at least until the Lord changes them and/or me, I believe engaging in endless debate with a blind man over what something looks like when you know he can’t see it, is a terrible waste of time that could be well spent on something else.

    Steve, your messages are ever so forthright, interesting, honest, inspiring..and I believe most often…right on target with reality…at least with MY sense of reality.. thank you.

    Joyce I wasn’t aware that you were so musically gifted.. you are Blessed.

  39. poohpity says:

    Steve, the difference when God gets angry which He has every right to do so yet withholds that anger so that all will come to repentance(2 Peter 3:9) but it seems is usually towards the forces of evil in the world, not to those who have fallen prey and follow those evil forces in the world but to the one who caused them because they have been deceived but towards the one who does the deceiving. Those that point people away from God to secular or worldly things are the one’s who have been deceived by the forces of darkness. (Acts 26:18; 2 Cor 11:14; Eph 6:12)

  40. poohpity says:

    Our anger, grudges, bitterness is more often than not based on getting our ego bruised in some form or another, that is why people have to have the courage to look within rather than always looking around. If we look within most often one realizes they have no room to talk about anyone else but that takes maturity, courage and humility.

  41. poohpity says:

    Think about this! What does God say about judging the sins, failures, faults of others and about how we show grace, forgiveness and mercy to others? When we stand before God He will use the same measure we used against others as He judges us and if we withhold forgiveness, grace or mercy from others it will be withheld from us. Do you want that to happen to you or could you care less?

  42. poohpity says:

    Matthew 7:2 NIV; Matt 6:14-15 NIV; Matt 5:7; Matt 18:35; Luke 6:37; Eph 4:32; Mark 11:25; Col 3:13

  43. Beloved says:

    Pearl yes I’ve always been blessed by the gift of music! I think like Saul it was what gave me the grace to get through the evil I was being subjected to on a daily basis. The story goes that it was God Himself that allowed an evil spirit to attack Saul to accomplish His purposes on earth. God always gets the glory even now. No matter what is happening in the world. I must remind myself daily to fix my eyes on Jesus, who is the author and finisher of my faith. Even in the darkness God is at work.

    If we take our *selves* out of the gospel and stop telling others what they should do and how they should act think or even talk to God in a demeaning way the music will be much sweeter and pleasing. Disagreeing is not a sin, nor is it to be taken personally.

  44. Beloved says:

    My last paragraph was directed toward your rant this morning pooh. God bless you and hope your day gets better, listen to some good Christian music that uplifts you.

  45. Beloved says:

    Pooh I am probably misunderstanding you, again. Do you post all the scripture because you are worried about others, or? If you are worried about others salvation or walk with God then you should, yes I said should – (which I don’t say very often) be praying and interceding for them, right? Let God be God a!one in other people’s lives. Analyzing others’ behavior is about as useful as a balloon without air in it, really.

  46. Beloved says:

    Off topic sorry;
    Chris I watched 60 Days In last night and want you to know how much I respect the work you do. I am going to step up my prayers for you and all who work in prisons. God bless and keep you healthy and well may you see the good God is doing each day along with the lies and manipulation you must endure. Joyce

  47. street says:

    If I would condense my thoughts along Mart’s New Year topic I would simply say that “talk is cheap.” And “actions speak louder than words.”

    this post caught my attention. i saw a post on facebook that said you are what we do. i thought of that post for awhile. i was thinking that is wrong. you are what God says you are not what you think. all are thoughts are in disagreement with the God’s Word. it’s when we come to understand God’s Word and His promises in Christ Jesus we enter into a true reality, not a temporal one with grave consequences. paul spoke of pressing on yet not having attained it in Philippians. even so when we stand before Dad we will have nothing to boast in, save Christ. oh to be conformed to His Image. oh that my life would ring in harmony with Christ a melody pleasing in His ear and great joy to all. came across a verse that said there is fullness of joy in His presents.

  48. Beloved says:

    And now I ask myself, who do I think I am saying what I just said to pooh, who already feels like an outsider here? How awful to be treated with such disrespect! I’m sorry doesn’t begin to convey how I feel right now. God told David not to touch His anointed one. Aren’t we who are the Lords all His anointed in our own particular way according to His will? We are His chosen, we did not choose ourselves. No its more than sorrow, its Godly fear for sin against God, and God alone.

  49. poohpity says:

    Beloved, what I share is usually from what is taught in scripture not about me or my thoughts and yes it is done out of concern for the well being of others because if I considered myself at all I would not share because of the harsh treatment I receive but I know it is not about me but the rejection of God’s word. I have not nor will I direct it to anyone or falsely accuse or judge or jump to conclusions but most often only as it applies to the topic. If anyone takes it personally that is coming from within them and may be the Holy Spirit bringing something to light in their lives not from me thinking it applies to any one person. I realize that pointing a finger at anyone else means I have three pointing back to me and I have no right at all to say anything about anyone else because I have enough mess that the Lord is working on in my own life.

    How will people hear what God has to say to them if they do not read it for themselves isn’t that why God asked us to share His word? Romans 10:14 NLT

  50. Beloved says:

    “What a glad New Year it would be if we could begin by being in charity with everybody, in love with every man, woman and child with whom we have a personal acquaintance!”

    A worthy challenge indeed!

  51. poohpity says:

    If one really reads the topic then reads my comments they will see that they are more often than not directed and discussing the topic.

  52. Beloved says:

    Romans 10:16-17 NLT But not everyone welcomes the Good News, for Isaiah the prophet said, “Lord, who has believed our message?”* 17 So faith comes from hearing, that is, hearing the Good News about Christ.

    So are you thinking one or more of us here have not heard or have rejected the Gospel? Is that why you keep repeating the same scripture, thoughts year after year?

  53. Beloved says:

    Pooh I guess what I’m trying to say is that the gospel is more relational than academic. Jesus “preached” both to the masses (academic) and to individuals (relationally). I know many people who have read the bible cover to cover and still haven’t met Jesus. How do we approach them? Thinking with kindness. Especially if one is preaching the gospel- the good news!!

    I just heard this story about NT Wright, New Testament scholar and former Bishop of Durham. He said he was on a flight when suddenly a woman stood up with a face mask shrieking about having a peanut allergy a d that she could die. A couple next to her were eating peanut butter toast and ignored her pleas. NT said to them, where is kindness? To which they berated him and said it was their right to eat peanut butter. He decided to not say anything more. The poor woman had to be taken to the nearest airport to hospital which ended up causing a flight delay. Evidently just the odor of peanut oil in the air triggered her distress. Wright guessed the peanut butter lovers were not too happy about that. It was a good story with lessons for all. The Gospel here was presented in one word, kindness. Simp!e yet life changing!

  54. poohpity says:

    Beloved excuse me but you are so full of crap. I repeat some of the same scriptures because they are applicable to the topic at hand. Do you even consider the topics at all anytime? Remember what Eleanor Roosevelt said, “Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people.” Let’s all enlarge our minds and discuss the topics and discuss how they can be applied to our lives.

    I wonder if we really consider the value of “time” and the consequences of what we do with it. We actually never really know how much of it we have so using it as if it were limited may bring our priorities into perspective. Love deeper, forgive quicker, show mercy always do not let anger control you or it will consume our limited time.

  55. Beloved says:

    :-)

  56. Beloved says:

    Dear Pooh, if you are only posting to the topic then why on earth do you complain about others here mistreating you? It’s because you can’t have the gospel without relationships. The topic is about relationships, God’s ideal not mine. My dear I am not for the tenth time angry with you or anyone else here. You are projecting your own heart. Stop playing the victim- oh Lord here I go again….

  57. jeff1 says:

    Thinking that nothing much changes in this world as religions are as intolerant of each other as they always have been and truthfully now I do not measure a person by their words but by their deeds as I have discovered that a person professing to be a Christian does not necessarily mean they behave like one.

    I never was a good judge of character as my friend told me I was too naïve and I believed what people told me which was true I did.

    I have since learned that people rarely say what they mean or meat what they say and now I have to know a person well before I will trust them at all.

    Human nature is complex and that is why God is the best judge when it comes to knowing and understanding people.

    The more I leave things in God’s hand the more I realize that the man who said the simple faith is the best faith knew what he was talking about as that person contents themselves in the knowledge that no matter the circumstances God will turn it around to His will and when I take that view I find peace and contentment in a world where it is difficult to find both.

  58. Beloved says:

    Viv I like what you say about Gods will being done no matter the circumstances. Heaven only knows the variety of circumstances we may find ourselves or others in. Yes knowing God does bring peace and contentment as we grow in our faith. Just thinking how all we need is mustard seed faith and like the bush my how it grows, not from focusing on the failings of the world but on Gods goodness in the world!

  59. street says:

    old and new
    thinking about paul and the Word that speaks of a new life after the death of an old one. the constant struggle to mortify the deeds of the flesh. looking for Salvation that is to be revealed. the patient waiting. the chance to serve faithfully by His Spirit. learning to crawl stand walk run and fly. learning to ask and pray.

  60. Beloved says:

    Struggle indeed! I’ve been staring at the butterfly and the struggles it went through to become what God wanted it to be all along! I can’t think of the name of the artist but the style is very familiar.

    There’s an old song I haven’t thought about for years called Auld Lang Syne by Robert Burns. I admit I don’t remember many of the verses except: we’ll take a cup of kindness dear for Auld Lang Syne. I think it’s about remembering kindly the past while looking toward the future. Looking kindly at friends, and even ourselves as we are all in this thing called life together. I wonder if Morgan was familiar with the song? I imagine he was though.

  61. jeff1 says:

    Beloved, my generation would ring in the New Year singing Auld Lang Syne as of course here in Northern Ireland many are of Ulster Scots descent as I know I am on my dad’s side.

    I don’t here it so much these days but it was sang on Hogmanay when I was a young girl and we would all get in a circle and cross hands with the person each side dancing inwards and outwards and singing loudly to celebrate the New Year in.

    It was very heart warming and brought people together. I have been to Scotland a few times and I have noticed their hospitality is warm and friendly and when you are being entertained by a singer he/she gets the audience to join in singing by saying the words of the song and then getting you to repeat them. In know time at all they would have the most reluctant singer singing and I loved how they made you feel so included.

  62. Beloved says:

    Sounds like the divine blessing Morgan talks about, even if it’s amongst unbelievers. I think about how easy it is in passing to smile or speak a blessing to one another but the hard stuff is when you have to spend time with someone you know God wants you to reconcile with. Could it be an even greater divine blessing? Yes it is, I’ve done it.

  63. foreverblessed says:

    Psalm 18:1
    I love You, O Lord, my strength,
    my fortress and my deliverer;
    My God is my rock,
    in whom I take refuge.
    He is my shield and the horn of my salvation,
    my stronghold.
    I call to the Lord,
    Who is worthy of praise,
    and I am saved from my enemies

    This is what David wrote when he was delivered from the hand of Saul

    V31-33
    For who is God besides the Lord?
    And who is the Rock except our God?
    It is God who arms me with strength
    And makes my way perfect.
    He makes my feet like the feet of a deer;
    He enables me to stand on the heights.

  64. foreverblessed says:

    It was already I the Old Testament:
    God will make my ways perfect!

    If only I let Him, and do not let my old man dictate me, but kill it. And follow the directions Jesus gave in the Gospels, what Morgan advises too!

  65. SFDBWV says:

    From the story of David and the “man” who brought David the news of Saul’s death (2 Samuel 4:10 KJV) we have a fabled legacy of killing the bearer of bad news.

    Of course there is more to the story (2 Samuel 1:1-16 KJV)

    Jesus of Nazareth brought the truth to the world and the world hated Him for it and executed Him for it.

    The world today still hates the “Truth”.

    Speak the truth here, and see the world’s response to it.

    We are to bear witness to the world that there is good news. God has made peace with man through Jesus of Nazareth’s death upon the cross. All of our sins are forgiven us through this one man’s sacrifice.

    Believe this and receive salvation.

    That is the “Gospel”.

    Yes there is more to the story, but that remains the Gospel.

    In the garden the serpent twisted the truth into a lie. Carnal people, especially carnal Christians still twist the truth and still try and present a lie.

    Stand fast and hold tight to the leaning of the Holy Spirit so that you can recognize the truth from a lie. Because after an avalanche of words and much noise, the truth will still be the truth.

    -14 (minus 14) degrees Fahrenheit and still dropping.

    Steve

  66. narrowpathseeker says:

    “Because after an avalanche of words and much noise, the truth will still be the truth.”
    AMEN!!

  67. jeff1 says:

    While I agree with what you are saying Forever I lived in a country where the old man did dictate and while my dad was the one who did not allow it and looked within his heart and found God’s truth, he was very much in the minority so what does that say for the rest of us.

    It has taken me a lifetime to find that my dad’s righteousness was God’s truth’s as the reward for walking in the Spirit is that you are walking in God’s truth’s and not the belief that you have God’s truths.

    Salvation is not down to my righteousness but God’s righteousness and the Gospels gives us an account of what we should do so that when I fail I know how much I am in need of Jesus.

    Following those gospels will give us light in a dark world as that is what God intended it would but that does not stop this world from being a dark place and why those gospels are there to encourage and comfort us as Jesus said in this world you will have tribulation.

    The truth is I can be righteous some of the time but only God is righteous all of the time and that is why it is God and only God can call time on this world as it is His plan of Salvation and Deliverance which gives God the upper hand on the devil and the Good Book giving an account of the Players and their lives which we are testimony to as believers in Christ and God needs witnesses today as He did back then because of the non believers, doubters who do not know His ways.

    When I realize the time I too have spent in disbelieving and doubting God then I know that it is God who is faithful to me ‘a sinner’ and that He has every right to use me in His plan to save the non believers’ and doubters as I do have empathy with them in knowing what that feels like.

  68. poohpity says:

    It is easy to have empathy when one realizes that human beings are imperfect in many ways, all of us and it is common. Gosh we have a whole book that shows the imperfections of all those who the Lord chose to be His, He did not choose one perfect person who never doubted or who had no sin in some form or another. God also gave us a warning that when we feel like we are without faults, failures, shortcomings we will tend to elevate ourselves above others(pride) and that leads to the fall but God always provides a way of escape from the temptation of pride, to be humble and to empathize with others.(1 Cor 10:12-13 NLT)

    Starting a New Year with no expectations of ourselves or others to be perfect certainly would be freeing and less disappointing. Letting go of, as Morgan put it, “persisting in these grudges, jealousies, animosities, and unkind feelings one toward another.” it would seem to start the year with a clean slate and a fresh outlook.

  69. poohpity says:

    Can you hear the voice of Jesus in the writings or Morgan? It is easy to understand why many did not even recognize Jesus for who He was as He walked and talked with them daily and their eyes were not even open after the resurrection but that is still happening today. Do you see Jesus as He is hidden in plain sight? Do you hear His voice as He calls to you or are you even listening? Do you even want to hear from Him or are you satisfied with only the things you can see and touch, the worldly things? Would you like revival in your hearts and minds for the Lord to open you up to a new adventure with Him this year?

  70. poohpity says:

    Or would you rather cling to the same old stuff for another year?

  71. jeff1 says:

    Pooh, I cannot lie to God to make myself right with him as it is not freeing but condemning me. I do not love the IRA whom I consider to by my enemies as they murdered a member of my family and friends and I have tried to get this animosity from my mind but it is always there in the back where I have buried it.

    I watched the suffering of the victims of hatred and violence and it is them I have empathy with and not the perpetrators.

    Lying to God about this won’t change my sin but asking His forgiveness for me and many who share my burden will lighten my load as I leave it in His hands.

    This world is a dark place and there is darkness in it that I have no comprehension of and it is God alone who does understand why mankind are bent on evil as it is He alone who has overcome the consequences of it.

    In short I will not make promises to God because I have found that with all my good intentions I have failed to keep them and that makes me more like my first parents than I care to admit but ‘the truth’ nevertheless.

    I have failed God in thought, word and what I have left undone because such are my sins of omission and it is only God who can change me now from this creature that I am as when God changes me then I will never look back as He will remove my transgressions so that I remember them no more and He will put His nature in me where I will no longer have my will but His will because it is only when God changes me that I can be the person He wills me to be as all else is me getting in the way of what is His will for me.

  72. cbrown says:

    Good morning all!Happy New Year!Very thought provoking pooh. “We” all can improve in our walk with the Lord.

  73. poohpity says:

    Chris, I do not think it was meant any other way than “we”. I know for myself the Lord works on this mess inside of me everyday and I know for sure it will not be completed until I see Him face to face. The point I was trying to make was are we satisfied with things as they are or do we want change. I know I try and change myself but usually that does not last but the change the Lord does in my life will last and it just takes spending more time with Him and He rubs off on us but am “I”/”We” open to hearing and learning from Him?

    There is no one better to know how much I need the Lord than me. In that I also am more than aware of how often I mess up, fail and have many shortcomings. That is why I am so amazed by His grace in my life.

  74. poohpity says:

    Viv, no one has asked you to lie. God knows even our secret places and our thoughts so what use is it to lie. Honesty with Him brings honesty with ourselves and admitting to those hates, anger, bitterness’s is what brings them out and giving them to God for healing. Gosh you ought to read some of the things David wrote about that he would like God to do to his enemies, it wasn’t nice at all but he was honest with God.

    You should have heard what I wanted God to do to the doctor that assaulted me. Boy was it nasty, real nasty. It is OK to be ourselves and know that God loves us.

  75. poohpity says:

    It has taken me 2 years to work through forgiveness for him. I was also angry at the police and the medical board who I reported to because they did nothing then I got mad at God too. Now with this #MeToo going on I still am working through it. But what God did do with me was reminded me of ALL the things He forgave me for and there are many and it has made it easier to forgive them. I will not allow them to take up any more space in my limited mind than I have to.

  76. cbrown says:

    Pooh, your clarification was a blessing.I would avoid using the word “crap”to describe another persons comments on this board.

  77. cbrown says:

    One last thought.Other than a born again believer serving God with the gifts he has given them, I think a butterfly is one God’s most miraculous and beautiful creations.

  78. cbrown says:

    one “of” God’s.

  79. jeff1 says:

    I don’t think you understand Pooh, nor do I expect you too because I was 15 when the IRA started a campaign which lasted 30 years so I was damaged early in life and I often believed this was hell on earth. I believed God had forsaken us on many occasions.

    I need to forget the horrors of the past to move on and I can only do that by leaving it with God as I have allowed it to demonise my life for long enough.

    I allowed my enemies to get into my head and truthfully they have never left but I have put them to the back of my mind but only God can erase them forever.

    My dad by staying close to God understood God’s will and showed me that obedience to God has its own rewards.

    One of his rewards was that he didn’t allow anyone but God into his head and that was reflected in how he responded to his enemies and it is obvious to me now that it was God given.

    I believe my dad was much more intelligent than I and therefore he could understand matters that required a more intellectual mind and that meant he used his head to out smart his enemy rather than the rest of us who thought we could do it using brute force.

    Obedience to God and not knowledge of God is the key to having a relationship that will enlighten us in a dark world and I say that because I had a dad who during the darkest days in Northern Ireland’s history was enlightened while I and many like me was left wandering in the darkness.

    God allows me to wander and it seems that is because I am slow on the uptake when it comes to understanding His ways and perhaps why I always seem to be taking refuge as to whom else would I go when I fail to understand what God is doing in my life.

  80. Beloved says:

    Chris a butterfly is what God sees about those who are His, I think. And what I try to see in others also. I may get sidetracked- startled even by the outward appearance that shows up on a blog in uncomely words but I believe God has plans for all who are in Christ Jesus to become more and more conformed to His image in holiness. Some like me it takes longer. As Viv said too the damage began years ago and may take a lifetime for the trauma shaped memories to quiet down but that’s all Gods grace also. And His grace is sufficient for all our needs. Proof of Gods grace lies in the very fact that it no longer bothers me as it once did when people said derogatory things about my writing here. I can smile because I know my God is bigger and stronger than any words on a screen or even a memory that comes with a PTSD event now. God shows His strength to us all in mercy and grace, as pooh said about Davids writings; our beloved ancestor who was learning as we all are today still.
    Grace and blessings to you Chris!

  81. Beloved says:

    Viv you allowed nothing to get into your head, you have no power over what others do. We are all like sponges as our senses absorb everything around us, good and bad. Its Gods work as you say to change us and it would be so great if He would change horrific events but even if He stops them our memories remain to deal with. God has held my hand many many times through traumatic memories. Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever! Yes He is.
    Grace and blessings to you also!

  82. jeff1 says:

    Beloved, Its how it seems to me as others are getting on with their lives while my head is all over the place.

    I want to let go of the past but it won’t let go of me.

    Its songs that soothe the mind and reassure me that God is good all the time and that the darkness in this world cannot change His goodness.

    I was sinking deep in sin,
    Far from a peaceful shore,
    Very deeply stained within,
    Sinking to rise no more;
    But the Master of the sea,
    Heard my despairing cry,
    From the waters lifted me,
    Now safe am I.
    Love lifted me! Love lifted me!(2X)
    When nothing else could help
    Love lifted me.

    All my heart to Him I give,
    Ever to Him I’ll cling,
    In His blessed presence live,
    Ever His praises sing;
    Love so mighty and so true,
    Merits my souls best songs;
    Faithful loving service, too,
    To Him belongs.
    Love lifted me! Love lifted me!(2X)
    When nothing else could help,
    Love lifted me.

    Souls in danger, look above,
    Jesus completely saves;
    He will lift you by His love,
    Out of angry waves,
    He’s the Master of the sea,
    Billows His will obey;
    He your Saviour wants to be,
    Be saved today.
    Love lifted me! Love lifted me! (2X)
    When nothing else could help,
    Love lifted me.

  83. poohpity says:

    Viv, no I do not know what it was like living as you lived but I do know what a lack of forgiveness is like for whatever the offense may be. Most the people I have had to forgive did hard things to me personally. Like knocking my eye through my eye socket, that was my first husband and many other personal assaults including being raped and being beat up. However I do want the forgiveness of God so I will act accordingly and go through the process of forgiving them for my benefit and my relationship with God.

    Chris, Next time I will use “lies” instead of “crap”. Thanks for the feedback.

  84. poohpity says:

    Chris, if you have ever noticed it is not me who feels any type of arrogance although I am accused of it. I am confident of who I am in Christ and to Him but I have never felt above anyone or call myself godly or righteous or brag about how spirit filled I am because I am fully aware of the condition of my heart. Not only that but I read God’s word everyday and that keeps me in check when I think I am better than I really am and with the many reminders from God. It is only God to me that sits on a throne and is worthy of worship and praise.

  85. cbrown says:

    Since you brought up daily devotionals pooh, Thursday night at prison we review the “Daily Bread Devotionals”for the week and then discuss 2 in more detail.Tomorrow night it is going to be cold so the inmates are going to be trying to stay warm and may not want to come out of their cells. Please pray that they will come to the Bible study and that we will be united in one Spirit. Love in Christ, Chris

  86. poohpity says:

    Chris, you bet I will. I read that daily as well and have learned so much from the life application. I also listen to Discover The Word. I have a been donor for many many years because they certainly offer to get God’s word into many hands every year, they have a wonderful ministry. I can not believe the temps in Florida this year, brrrr, and it is even snowing in some places, go figure.

  87. poohpity says:

    Global warming at it’s finest, lol

  88. Beloved says:

    Viv I understand how things seem to be in comparison to others. Having a MI is sometimes a lifelong battle as you and I well know. I used to feel frustration when my PTS would get in the way of me moving on in life. I suppose its gotten better now I’m retired but it does make me feel sad for all the things I wanted to accomplish but couldn’t. I don’t look at others so much as just disappointment with myself. But I see God is still able to use me as He does you with your ministry of song and confidence in God here and I’m sure in ways we are not even aware of in your home life.
    Thinking that God makes us just what He wants us to be and do, and places us in particular and sometimes peculiar circumstances to show His power! He truly is awesome!

  89. jeff1 says:

    I don’t play God Pooh, and the IRA are faceless men to me but not to their victims. I was not personally hurt by the IRA except for my mind which was my weakness otherwise I would gladly leave the past where it belongs.

    God gave me gospel music when I was around ten years of age and a dad who understood that God is good all of the time even when I didn’t see it.

    It is that knowledge now that makes me understand that God does not forsake me even though I often forsake Him so not surprising that one of my favourite songs is ‘Forever Friend’.

    Everybody needs a little help sometime
    No one stands alone
    Makes no difference if you’re just a child like me
    Or a king upon a throne
    For there are no exceptions
    We all stand in the line
    Everybody needs a friend
    Let me tell you of mine

    Chorus:
    He’s my forever friend
    My leave-me-never friend
    From darkest night to rainbow’s end
    He’s my forever friend

    Even when I turn away He cares for me
    His love no one can shake
    Even as I walk away He’s by my side
    With every breath I take
    And sometimes I forget Him
    My halo fails to shine
    Sometimes I’m not His friend
    But He is always mine

    Chorus:
    He’s my forever friend
    My leave-me-never friend
    From darkest night to rainbows end
    He’s my forever friend

    If you still don’t know the one I’m talking of
    I think it’s time you knew
    Long ago and far away upon a cross
    My friend died for you
    So if you’d like to meet Him
    And don’t know what to do
    Ask my friend into your heart
    And He’ll be your friend too

    Chorus:
    He’s my forever friend
    My leave-me-never friend
    From darkest night to rainbow end
    He’s my forever friend

  90. Beloved says:

    Beware of “pat” answers to emotional problems. No one knows you like God does.

  91. jeff1 says:

    Yes, Beloved, I do more arguing in my head with myself than I do with OP.

    I feel sad for getting God wrong because I had a dad who knew better and I didn’t listen. The folly of youth thinking I knew better.

    My mum died young and it was my dad who seen me through my mental illness, visiting me everyday at the hospital walking with me, talking with me and not judging me even though he did not understand what it was to be unstable himself.

    There have been people in my life whose life as been an example of what Godliness should look like and he is one of them and yet I know he would never have thought of himself in that way as he was a simple country man and looking out for others was second nature to him and perhaps that is why I think of Steve as being so like him.

    I believe that it pleases God that we are trying more so than we realize because no matter my failures I know in my heart that God still cares and perhaps it is that God talks to my heart as He knows how disturbed my head can get.

    Thank you Beloved, for being here as we are kindred spirits you and I.

  92. jeff1 says:

    Beloved I hadn’t seen your 6.54 post until after I posted. Can you explain what that means as I don’t understand.

    “Beware of “pat” answers to emotional problems”.

  93. Beloved says:

    Viv I’d like to share with you one of my favorite songs. This is the English translation. It was written by Teresa of Avila. I listen to it on YouTube as sung at Taize France. Its called Nada de Turbe and some have the English words scrolling along. Its so beautiful and peaceful.

    English translation
    Let nothing disturb you

    Let nothing disturb you,
    let nothing frighten you,
    everything passes,
    but God stays.
    Pacience reaches it all;
    he who has God
    nothing lacks:
    God alone suffices.

    Lift your thinking,
    raise up to heaven,
    let nothing anguish you,
    let nothing disturb you.

    Follow Jesus Christ
    with an open heart,
    and, no matter what may come,
    let nothing frighten you.

    See the glory of the world?
    It’s vainglory;
    it is not everlasting,
    everything passes.

    Yearn for the celestial
    that lasts forever:
    faithful and rich in promisses,
    God doesn’t change.

    Love it the way it deserves
    inmense kindness;
    but there is not fine love
    without the patience.

    Confidence and alive faith
    let the soul mantain,
    that he who believes and hopes 1.
    reaches it all.

    Although harassed by hell
    one may see himself,
    he who has God
    will defeat its rage.

    Come abandonment,
    crosses, misfortune;
    God being your treasure,
    you lack nothing.

    Go, then, wordly goods
    go, vain happiness;
    even if everything is lost
    God alone suffices.

    I’ve wondered if foreverblessed has ever played/worshipped there.

  94. Beloved says:

    Oh sorry I wondered if you were familiar with the term. Giving a “pat” answer means basically its the answer to ones problems, a stock answer that explains away all our problems in general terms. Ex., do this, do that and all your problems will go away. As I said no one knows anyone as well as God does and God gives healing for some but not all. For instance at one time some believed those with epilepsy had a demon, actually some still do believe that but we know that it’s a misfiring of the brain, needing medical attention. Hope that’s not too confusing.

    I do however believe in the power of love, forgiveness, and grace to change our happiness here while still dragging along our disability.

  95. Beloved says:

    That last sentence is awkward, let’s see, I guess I’m trying to say because of God we can have happiness here.

  96. jeff1 says:

    I have just listened to it on ‘You Tube’ it is beautiful and thank you for the English translation because the words are so comforting and God knows how I yearn for to know Him as nothing else satisfies this lost soul.

    God does know me better than I could ever know myself and that is what I have not understood because I have never believed that I am that lovable.

    Love does conquer all
    but there is not fine love
    without the patience
    God always knows best

  97. jeff1 says:

    Yes, Beloved, I too believe in the power of love and forgiveness and yet why is it so hard to do when you are hurting yourself and none other than God sees you are hurting.

    I ask myself why I hang on to what hurts me when I know I need to let go of it and I cannot find an answer other than I have been hurting for so long that I am like an addict who cannot wait for their next fix.

    Broken feels more at home with others that are broken too I believe.

  98. Beloved says:

    Believe me I know what you are going through. Talking about what’s hurting me with therapists has been a great help through the years. It is very hard to find a friend that is able to really understand your particular hurts. I know that too. But in my case if I had those kinds of people available I would not have sought out Jesus. I’ve found sympathy from time to time but that does nothing to heal me, just soothes for a minute. Because of a Christian biblical counselor I learned to trust Jesus enough to bring my pain to Him. It was a really rough and painfilled time, I completely soaked 3 pillows with my tears. Then when he dropped me as a client because he was struggling with his emotions (never said what they were) I never felt so abandoned in my life. Jesus was all I had, and I found He was enough! God works all things out for good, His goodness and mercy puts people in our paths along the way. For certain times.

    You and everyone here bless me in different ways. It’s God’s timing, all of it.

  99. Beloved says:

    Viv I think that when we embrace our pain then we can offer it to God, and thank Him for the privilege of suffering as He did. He has a purpose in it, maybe ask Him what His purpose is for you. The answer may be simple or silence. I know you can trust the answer whatever it is.

  100. Beloved says:

    Addicted to suffering. Yes it does happen sometimes. Not sure why. Probably the old man has something to do with it.

  101. foreverblessed says:

    Good morning everyone!

    That Taize song was beautiful! 7.13 pm

    No, Beloved, I have never been in Taize.

    But I very much appreciate what they are doing!

  102. foreverblessed says:

    Last night it was in the news that the daffodils and snowdrops are appearing!
    The 4th warmest winter period since recording began. Last New Years eve was the warmest ever!

  103. foreverblessed says:

    I am praying for your inmate Chris, thanks for the updates!
    I pray that the church meeting room will be warm!
    So Gods presence may warm their hearts.

  104. foreverblessed says:

    What a heavy stuff you are writing Pooh, what a backround you come from. You have written about it before, and it is awesome

    May God heal you through and through,

    He will, as He is the one that is making us perfect. As long as we expect EveryThing from Him. All expectancy should be focussed on Him only. Not on ourselves, nor on our fellow humans, but on Him.

    “With God everything is possible”

    And that is a promise from God where I stand on.

    The more we expect from Him,
    that is in the realm of the Spirit, the great rich spirtitual life we only have in Him,
    the more He can do in us.
    And we not reacting from the old man.

  105. foreverblessed says:

    Great peace have they who love Your law

    [Law, as the whole living Word from God,
    which includes:
    Do not retaliate,
    do not repay evil for evil
    but repay good for evil
    and it includes the promise: for in Me you can do everything]
    Psalm 119:165

  106. poohpity says:

    forever, I gave a very small list of the things I had to forgive others for but there is a large list of the many I had to go to asking for their forgiveness for the things I have done to them. Now since the Lord is in my life I try and keep both lists small to forgive and to ask for forgiveness when I have done wrong. The law is very good for me to know exactly what God requires and how I break His list. When I know His law then and only then do I understand His grace.

    Viv, I never even said for a minute that I thought you play God. The thing about forgiveness, I am not telling anyone to forgive, that is what God told each of us to do because we have been forgiven from/by Him. He never lists the reasons but gave us the “pat” answer to do it because of His great love for us and He does not want us to suffer by holding on to grudges, bitterness, hate and anger. God will take care of whatever the reason were if we trust the hurt and pain to Him but then to think about the hurt and pain we have done to others and want forgiveness from them we realize more about what this topic was teaching.

    It is always a two way street, people harm us and we harm others but often people will not think about the harm they have caused others only the harm done to them. Yet whatever ever direction on the 2 way street God shows great mercy but He wants us to recognize our responsibility in it rather than blame or make excuses.

  107. SFDBWV says:

    Had to smile at the ODB message this morning, seems that the experts are most expert at being wrong.

    It made it to minus 15 degrees yesterday morning before warming up to the 20’s. However they are calling for single digits for highs the next couple days with the lows somewhere in the minus numbers.

    They called for a low yesterday morning of 2 so I really don’t know what to expect for the next couple days of January.

    I am glad though for Foreverblessed and her countrymen in having another warm winter.

    As to the painting/drawing of the winged insect Mart provided I wasn’t sure it wasn’t a moth rather than a butterfly.

    Funny how both are very similar, yet very different.

    In the summer we get a “hummingbird moth” that is quite large and hoovers around the flowers just like a hummingbird along with a long list of both butterflies as well as the daylight and night time moths. The huge Luna moth one of my favorites.

    Their larva is just as green and just as large.

    There is a great variety of life on earth, just as there is a great variety of people. Some like the moth and the butterfly are similar yet very different.

    Snowing at 9 degrees, hope wherever you are you are warm, and at peace.

    Steve

  108. poohpity says:

    Chris, after your last time with the rats, I am also praying for your safety and I would imagine the fear associated with wondering what will happen this time. It takes God’s courage and strength to go again brother. Please be safe. Praying for the covering of Christ on all.

  109. poohpity says:

    Steve, I wonder if what both the Butterfly and the moth have in common is that they both were some form of worm or caterpillar before they made their cocoon then were transformed into something that could fly rather than just crawling on the ground. Just like us before Christ we limp and crawl through life and after we have relationship with Christ and experience His forgiveness we are transformed into a new creation able to fly.

  110. cbrown says:

    Pooh,thank you for your prayers.Please pray that the inmates will come to the Bible study.

  111. jeff1 says:

    As I have said to Beloved, Pooh, I don’t understand why I hold on to the hurt, I am like an addict who doesn’t always understand why they need to drink.

    Maybe its because hatred and violence is what I know so I am in my comfort zone. I was told that suffering would make me stronger but sadly it has just exhausted me.

    I am happy to leave it in God’s hands because unlike my dad I have not understood God, as he understood God was good all of the time, and why when I believed God had forsaken us, he was confident that He had not.

    God puts people in our lives who by their example leave us a legacy that is priceless and by dad taught me more about God in his lifetime than anyone else I have ever known in my lifetime.

    I have always been more of a doubting Thomas in that while I do not doubt God’s existence I have doubted His presence in my life while my dad embraced God’s presence in his.

    That is why I shall always see my dad as the obedient servant and myself the wandering one and I don’t need to tell anyone here that staying close to God as its own rewards.

  112. poohpity says:

    Chris, I did last night and this morning and will continue through the day. The one’s that God has prepared to hear His message will come. Sometimes inmates only come to get a benefit for release or parole but there may be one who really cares and for that one it is worth it, for the rest it is a seed planted and that is also worth it. God bless your efforts.

  113. poohpity says:

    Viv, did your dad ever bless you by sharing his faith struggles or admit to his failures and faults?

  114. cbrown says:

    Pooh, thank you for your prayers!I’ve been doing this for about 10 years so I have seen some amazing miracles.Over half of the inmates in this prison have no chance of parole but with God all things are possibe.

  115. Beloved says:

    Good morning Steve, I’ve been wondering what kind of butterful this pic is also. I found this on google images:Insects of Britain and Ireland: butterflies – Coenonympha

    Yes to me it looks more like our moth here in the US. Hope you are not in the storms out there, thinking of several also that live out that way on here. We’re still in the deep freeze up North here with -20 again this morning but it did get up to about 5 yesterday and will again today. I feel for those in states that are not fitted for below freezing temps with broken water/sewar lines etc. We have some that live in trailers here that have to run their faucets 24/7 so they don’t freeze. But the water bill then gets atrocious. One family I know about was handed a $2000 water bill for last month by their land lord because of it!

  116. Beloved says:

    Foreverblessed it’s so nice to hear of flowers blooming already! There’s hope no matter the season/crisis. God’s hope and vision for a better future! Just thinking I wonder if prisoners (thinking of Cbrown’s ministry) ever get flowers? I’ll bet they would really enjoy them!

  117. Beloved says:

    Hey Chris, ever walked in to jail with a flower on your shirt? Would be a great teaching tool I’m thinking. God making flowers out of manure.

  118. Beloved says:

    Jeff you’re not the only one who’s felt they were unlovable. Knowing that God thinks I’m lovable is more than enough for me sometimes, times when I am feeling so very different from others, less than even. Old new year indeed. Challenge the same old stuff with God’s truth as often as you need to.

    Jeff pooh mentioned your dad. I’m thinking he did what he could as none are perfect. You were so blessed to have him in your life.

  119. cbrown says:

    Beloved,as a teaching tool at the beginning of the study I am going to read several passages from “The Beauty of Broken” by Elisa Morgan. Love to all.

  120. Beloved says:

    That’s awesome Chris, God bless your group today.

  121. jeff1 says:

    No one is perfect, Beloved, but my dad went the extra mile and he understood God in ways I did not and I put that down to the fact that he had a stable Christian upbringing while my mum did not and I was more influenced by my mum.

    She and my brother had mental health illness and I inherited their weakness.

    My dad looked after us all and he had to be strong to do that.

    He had a simple faith, and depended on God for his answers and God did not disappoint him.

    Wisdom beyond understanding which to me is God given and not man driven.

    Yes, to me his daughter I could not have asked for a better dad but my mum knew his faults better than I did and she would often say to him that he had too high of expectations of himself which resulted in him having too high expectations of others so Pooh, my mum kept my dad humble by pointing out his weaknesses and he would was always apologetic and owned up to his failings being the honest man he was.

    God works in mysterious ways as he used my mum to keep my dad right with Him and to think I ever doubted that God would forsake us when the truth is so very different.

  122. Beloved says:

    Viv I read your post then found this in my email. It describes your Dad. Micah 6:8NLT No, O people, the LORD has told you what is good, and this is what he requires of you: to do what is right, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.

  123. jeff1 says:

    Thank you, Beloved, that is how I would describe him that his intentions were honourable as he believed it was what God required of him and he did it well and my mum often said that he was stricter with himself than he was on others and that is what I am talking about when I say my dad was obedient as he disciplined himself to do God’s will while those around him did not.

  124. poohpity says:

    “Jesus Friend of Sinners” by Casting Crowns

    Jesus, friend of sinners, we have strayed so far away
    We cut down people in your name but the sword was never ours to swing
    Jesus, friend of sinners, the truth’s become so hard to see
    The world is on their way to You but they’re tripping over me
    Always looking around but never looking up I’m so double minded
    A plank eyed saint with dirty hands and a heart divided

    Oh Jesus, friend of sinners
    Open our eyes to the world at the end of our pointing fingers
    Let our hearts be led by mercy
    Help us reach with open hearts and open doors
    Oh Jesus, friend of sinners, break our hearts for what breaks yours

    Yeah

    Jesus, friend of sinners, the one who’s writing in the sand
    Make the righteous turn away and the stones fall from their hands
    Help us to remember we are all the least of thieves
    Let the memory of Your mercy bring Your people to their knees
    No one knows what we’re for only against when we judge the wounded
    What if we put down our signs crossed over the lines and loved like You did

    Oh Jesus, friend of sinners
    Open our eyes to world at the end of our pointing fingers
    Let our hearts be led by mercy
    Help us reach with open hearts and open doors
    Oh Jesus, friend of sinners, break our hearts for what breaks yours

    You love every lost cause; you reach for the outcast
    For the leper and the lame; they’re the reason that You came
    Lord I was that lost cause and I was the outcast
    But you died for sinners just like me, a grateful leper at Your feet

    ‘Cause You are good, You are good and Your love endures forever
    You are good, You are good and Your love endures forever
    You are good, You are good and Your love endures forever
    You are good, You are good and Your love endures forever

    Oh Jesus, friend of sinners
    Open our eyes to world at the end of our pointing fingers
    Let our hearts be led by mercy
    Help us reach with open hearts and open doors
    Oh Jesus, friend of sinners, break our hearts for what breaks Yours

    And I was the lost ’cause and I was the outcast
    Yeah
    You died for sinners just like me, a grateful leper at Your feet

  125. Beloved says:

    Romans 8:31 What shall we say about such wonderful things as these? If God is for us, who can ever be against us? 32Since he did not spare even his own Son but gave him up for us all, won’t he also give us everything else? 33Who dares accuse us whom God has chosen for his own? No one—for God himself has given us right standing with himself. 34Who then will condemn us? No one—for Christ Jesus died for us and was raised to life for us, and he is sitting in the place of honor at God’s right hand, pleading for us.

  126. jeff1 says:

    Be still and know I am Your God.

    My dad never expected anything from this world because he listened to what God said and not other people.

    He said always pay your dues for if you do not you rob your fellow men.

    He didn’t just say it but did it, I often cheated but my dad did not.

    Honesty, integrity was his companion as my mum laughed when he gave a bag potatoes given to him for a gift to his boss because of the nature of his job he believed it could be misconstrued as him taking a bribe. He also believed that if he took the bag of potatoes today then what might he be taking tomorrow! (Discipline I believe so)

    None of us are perfect but there are those whose light shines a little brighter in a dark world because they do what is right in God’s eyes and not their own.

    I can remember his words when he would be deliberating and he would always say ‘if it pleases God’ and my dad never complained when he suffered and he suffered plenty but he did it well because he knew to whom to go to get the strength to get him through it.

    He kept himself close to God and was rewarded by God for doing so while many today are being so critical of each others religions or different beliefs that they blind themselves to the fact that it is for ‘me’ to stay close to God if I want to see His works in a dark world.

    God did not tell us this world is not our home if he did not mean it and it is I wandering from His truths that blinds me to His presence in my life as that is why He requires discipline so that He will enlighten me to His ways rather than me walking in this world’s ways.

    God saves me from myself as much as He does from this world but because of my wanderings from Him I have blinded myself so often that I no longer see it.

    My dad proved to me that God is always good and God is always with us but that ignorance of God’s ways are as widespread today as ever and that is not down to lack of knowledge but lack of obedience but God in His mercy and grace excuses us when ironically we are the ones who claim to know Him.

  127. foreverblessed says:

    What a beautiful testimony about your father, Jeff!!!

    And then I read in ODB today, “Just like my Father”

    And it gives the bible verse with it:

    It is written: “Be holy, because I am holy”

    1 Peter 1:16

    The salvation is a free gift, but it is only a start, after that we do our very very best to follow Jesus in everything! And the greatest business is to see where my old man is still reacting, and I have to stop it, and turn my eyes on Jesus.

    Where there are admonitions in the NT, it means, that God does not do things for us, where we should take the initiative ourselves: Like stopping negativity.

    I could tell you today that the wheather is not nice at all! Although that it has been warmer than it should be. It is rainy, and damp, and the wind goes through every corner in the house, making it cold.
    But instead I should say: whatever the wheather: God is with me today, and I will put my mind on the business He is busy with, I will say to God: Here I am, my dear Lord, take this day, and use it for Yourself! I rejoice in what You will be doing today!

    Bless all the people that come into my mind, as I take the verse literally:

    Romans 8:27

    He who searches our hearts…..

  128. Beloved says:

    Forever that verse is so stunning! He searches and He knows how to intercede for us, on our behalf! That’s so personal isn’t it? Where can we go and be away from God? Nowhere! He is with us and as Romans 8:31 says Jesus is pleading for us! Pleading for you me and everyone! Personally I think this is a great way to start the new year, realizing that we have a divine intercessor seated right next to the God of the universe! Oh Jesus thank you for such a great salvation as you have freely given for all, and may all come to know you as their savior because it is your will, in this glad new year you have given us. Amen.

  129. Beloved says:

    Viv another reminder of you dad came in my email today and a good reminder for us all:

    Isaiah 1:16-17
    New Living Translation

    Wash yourselves and be clean! Get your sins out of my sight. Give up your evil ways. Learn to do good. Seek justice. Help the oppressed. Defend the cause of orphans. Fight for the rights of widows.

  130. poohpity says:

    Forever what does it mean, “Be holy, because I am holy”? What did Jesus do that we are to emulate?

  131. foreverblessed says:

    Yes, Beloved, that is a beautiful verse!
    Yesterday you gave Romans 8:1-2
    No condemnation!
    But… people can say something about us that is not comely in us. We can just say: thank you for the correction!
    But if we feel condemned because of the criticism then, yes then, we have forgotten Romans 8:1!
    But we can take correction at heart!
    Like being more patient, we could be a bit fringy in patience!
    Be more patient, please, someone may tell us, why would we feel condemned, as we indeed could be more patient.
    M

  132. Beloved says:

    Patience is surely a common problem forever. Someone many years ago gave me a plaque that said “Let patience have its perfect work..” Although I didn’t really understand the “work”, I knew it was difficult to be patient! But as I read in a different translation it became more clear, James 1:4
    New American Standard Bible
    And let endurance have its perfect result, so that you may be perfect and complete, lacking in nothing.

    King James Bible
    But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing.

    Endurance to the end! Yes, staying the course having everything we need in Christ! Such good stuff the bible has for us!

  133. poohpity says:

    Chris, looking forward to hear how God answered our prayers for last night.

  134. Beloved says:

    Weather: our schools are running 2 hours late because of the severe cold -30F. Praying all children are warm and safe as not all parents up here are diligent about preparing their children for cold.

  135. Beloved says:

    Prayers for Steve, pearl and all affected by the horrible storm out East.

  136. Beloved says:

    Pooh how’s your weather in mesa?

  137. poohpity says:

    Low of 48, high 76 with humidity 41% here in the valley, in the mountains it is colder, low of 30 and high of 60 but 67% humidity, probably going to rain. Pretty much the normal except for the humidity.

  138. Regina says:

    Good Morning, All
    Pray all is well with you today… So glad to have some chat time this morning… Read Mart’s intro comment a couple of days ago, and Mart, you are so right! I love the thought of “making room for the Holy Spirit” in this season of a New Year… We have transitioned from the old—2017—and have entered the new—2018! So, we can’t put “old wine in new wine skins!”
    Morgan’s quote brought several Bible verses to mind…
    Gal. 5:22-23; Rom. 6:1-2; Psalm 133:1-3; 1 John 1:9; 1 Cor. 13… My thoughts for now…

    48 degrees (real feel 47) with plenty of sunshine in my neck of the woods…

    Love to all,
    Regina

  139. Beloved says:

    Oh my gosh, perfect weather for fibromyalgia and osteoarthritis sufferers like me! No wonder so many move there in the winter! The cold here is almost crippling me most days lately. I can barely walk but try to keep moving as it helps.

  140. Beloved says:

    Regina I love Psalm 133:1-3 thanks.

  141. SFDBWV says:

    The two people concerning me with this storm are Pat up above New York state in Canada and Salad there in down east Maine.

    We have a high today of 04 which ain’t bad. I remember the winter of 76-77 and it was much worse.

    Not to worry this too shall pass.

    Steve

  142. phpatato says:

    Thank you Steve for your concern. I had three attempts at signing in, I think because of internet connection issues due to either wind or cold and probably both.

    Today’s temperature has remained steady at a feels like 38 below Celsius, on its way to a feels like 40 below and possibly colder tonight once the wind chill is factored in. Tomorrow’s temperature forecast is the same. For those who may not be familiar with Celsius readings, minus 40 Celsius feels exactly the same as minus 40 Fahrenheit. That is where they meet on a thermometer.

    Please pray for seniors living on a poor paying pension or low-income earners because there will be a high heating bill coming at them in the mail. Many simply cannot afford to pay what it is costing them now to keep warm. With at least 3 months more of winter, it will be a tough call for them as to whether they eat or pay that bill and be able to fill the furnace with oil again.

    I am sitting here looking out the window at whiteout conditions and wonder how the birds that are feeding at the feeder don’t perish in the cold. They are plowing their way through the bird seed. I am vigilant at making sure they have seed to keep them fueled.

    This too shall pass, Steve. Temperatures come Monday are forecast to be a balmy -3 Celsius or 26 Fahrenheit.

    Blessings

    Pat

  143. narrowpathseeker says:

    LOL…Pat, I saw what Steve wrote and went to check the temps you said were coming your way and came back to post them and there it was already there…glad you are getting some warmer weather coming your way..

    The lowest it has gotten here is 10 degrees..it is about 40 during the day and down in the 20’s at night….almost Summer compared to what some are enduring….

    There is so much heartache… hardship… and just overall suffering of all kinds going on all over the world, and I think we should all be praying in the strength and power of united prayer for every report of suffering as we hear it.

  144. bubbles says:

    Wind chill of -21 where I was last night. I have an army surplus coat that has kept me warm in -20 before. Last night the wind went through that coat.. got out the liner and wore that. No wind got through today! -33 windchill in the highlands this morning. Looks like it was -34 near Steve this morning (wind chill). This wind is so cold it feels like it burns on bare skin!

  145. cbrown says:

    Pooh,I got home late from work. Thank you for your prayers.It was a special night from the time I arrived until I left. A guard from my cell block was at the control room and escorted me back to the cell block.That has never happened!God had the men at the study that the Holy Spirit directed and we had a chance to talk with them about how God will transform them.

    After praying we went to the book “The Beauty of Broken”, Chapter 16, “A Beautifully Broken Legacy” and talked about Elisa Morgan,s two sentences. Sentence number one:God loves the broken and sentence number two:God uses the broken.

    Then we reviewed “Our Daily Bread” 1/2/2018, “Pressing ON” and 1/4/2018,”What Do the Experts Say”.The Holy Spirit was there throughout the whole study. Love in Christ.

  146. saled says:

    All is well here in my down east part of Maine. We did have a blizzard on Thursday. My husband plows and worked for 24 of the 30 hours of the storm. After the first foot of snow, it warmed up enough to rain for a few hours which improved visibility considerably, but what a mess on the roads and driveways! That is winter in Maine, but this winter is extreme. Coldest temperatures yet today, wind chills around where Bubbles mentioned, the negative twenties. Yes, Pat you are right. We need to pray and help those who can’t afford to heat their homes.

  147. SFDBWV says:

    I noticed this morning when I put my glasses on I had spelled Saled, salad. Punishment for trying to type without my magnifiers.

    I am glad you and yours are ok Saled. We are supposed to get rain here in a couple days it will be a mess for sure as snow is piled up everywhere and still have 9 inches on the ground.

    With these temperatures (-4 currently) any amount of snow stays.

    I plow my corner of town, and have a fellow that plows the rest. He is learning.

    I go through a lot of bird seed in weather like this as I give them twice as much due to the extreme cold. I just have to watch for deer as they will clean out everything in just a few minutes.

    They are no longer fun to watch. Too much like greedy people for me to enjoy watching them fight and bully others over eating is just no fun.

    Resting for the moment with Matt, work here is never done.

    Steve

  148. poohpity says:

    Praise God, Chris! I listened to the series of that book on DTW, it was really good.

  149. poohpity says:

    Chris, It was transforming for me when I realized that I was forgiven, heart changing for anyone, especially when we come to realize just exactly how much we have been forgiven for.

  150. jeff1 says:

    My dad loved Jim Reeves and I got very used to his songs because when I was in the car with him that is all he played, was Jim Reeves cassettes, as it was then.

    This song has stood the test of time because it reminds me that I am not here to make this world my home. When I remember this then I know it is with God’s help I am to be a light in a dark world wherever and whenever God places me.

    I get God’s help when I stay close to God and that is why He requires ‘my discipline’ as He enlightens me through obedience.

    I can know God through knowledge but I cannot have a relationship with God unless through obedience and that is why God looks for discipline because it is His way of enlightening me in a dark world.

    My dad understood that by keeping himself close to God, he aligned himself with God’s truth’s, and not his own or the world’s truths which is why he was a bright light in a dark time as he was fulfilling God’s purpose.

    Salvation is a ‘Gift’ but seeing God’s truths in a dark world will depend on ‘my walk with God’.

    I blind myself because of lack of obedience and not lack of knowledge as it is through a relationship that God enlightens me to His ways so that I am not wandering in the worlds ways.

    I loose sight of God but He does not loose sight of me which means it is God who is faithful from the cradle to the grave should anyone boast.

    This world is not my home I’m just a passing through
    My treasures are laid up somewhere beyond the blue
    The angels beckon me form heaven’s open door
    And I can’t feel at home in this world anymore
    Oh Lord you know I have no friend like you
    If heaven’s not my home then Lord what will I do
    The angels beckon me from heaven’s open door
    And I can’t feel at home in this world anymore

    I have a loving mother just over in glory land
    And I don’t expect to stop until I shake her hand
    She’s waiting now for me in heaven’s open door
    And I can’t feel at home in this world anymore
    Oh Lord you know I have no friend like you
    If heaven’s not my home then Lord what will I do

    The angels beckon me from heaven’s open door
    And I can’t feel at home in this world anymore

    Just over in glory land
    We’ll live eternally
    The saints on every hand are shouting victory

    Their songs of sweetest praise
    Drift back from heaven’s shore
    And I can’t feel at home in this world anymore

    Oh Lord, you know I have no friend like you
    If heaven’s not my home then Lord what will I do

    The angels beckon me from heaven’s open door
    And I can’t feel at home in this world anymore

  151. poohpity says:

    Without knowledge how does one know what to be obedient to?

  152. cbrown says:

    Pooh, in Elisa’s book she references Luke 7:36-50. I had always thought Jesus was saying a murderer that was forgiven his debt would love Jesus more then a person who had gone to church all their life since he was forgiven much .Since Jesus was talking to a self righteous pharisee I think He was saying that “if we confess our sins He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness “(1 john 1:9) and that is much.

  153. poohpity says:

    How do we do anything without knowledge of how to do it?

  154. foreverblessed says:

    Thanks Chris, voor the update. I will keep praying for the inmates!

    Pooh, what does it mean to be holy?

    That is a very good question, and how much time do you have?

    During this topic, I got the real impression, that when Jesus said:

    Be you perfect as My Father is perfect = Be You Holy as I am Holy

    And it is Jesus Himself who expplained it in the Gospels, as you said, in the Beattitudes.

    And that is where we got this phrase in, as it fits what the topic is about: Morgan saying:

    “We might well begin each in our sphere by doing good turns to our enemies, wiping out the memories of old grudges, reconciling offended relatives, and forgiving others, even as we hope to be forgiven. God or no God, soul or no soul, this earth is made much more like hell than heaven by persisting in these grudges, jealousies, animosities, and unkind feelings one toward another. ”

    Which is more a less in short what the Beattitudes is about.

    But the apostles kept instructing us about that after Jesus had gone to heaven.

    As Peter said: 1 Peter 1:16 For it is said, b e hoily for I am Holy

    And in this case it is at the end of 1 Peter 1:13-16

    13 Therefore, with minds that are alert and fully sober, set your hope on the grace to be brought to you when Jesus Christ is revealed at his coming. 14 As obedient children, do not conform to the evil desires you had when you lived in ignorance. 15 But just as he who called you is holy, so be holy in all you do; 16 for it is written: “Be holy, because I am holy.”

    Since our bodies are the Temple of the Holy Spirit, we are to keep our Temples holy.

    Morgan writes about it that we do not keep our grudges against our enemies,

    So that is an active motion of ours: we trow them out as soon as the thought appears, and we start blessing instead.

    SInging hymns and Psalm and spiritual songs is also good, to fill our minds with. They are not filled with these thoughts without us setting our minds at them. So, there is the admonition to be holy!

    I could get on and on about it, but without having felt the steadfastness of our forigiveness, that we have gotten through Christ Jesus, our Lord, there is no start.

    But once we have accepted that, we must build a holy house on that sure foundation!

    Hebrews 6:1-3

    And I find Joyce Meyer very good in that teaching! The b attlefield of the mind. But she keeps giving sermons on this topic, and we can see it on our television, many evenings a week. And I am very thankful for that. We are watiching her often now, my husband and myself.

  155. poohpity says:

    Yes, Chris, if we are not aware of sin how do we confess? It is honesty and humility that the Pharisees or the religious people seem to forget which is pride bottom line but they are often blinded to that so the outside is made to look clean while the inside is full of decay. It is a fake or false presentation to lead others to believe we are godly, righteous, spirit filled and without fault. We are just lying to ourselves and the truth is not in us. The thing is as Morgan referenced until we are aware of our own state of being we can not receive the divine. What good is forgiveness, grace or mercy if we do not know we need it?

  156. foreverblessed says:

    But being perfect came to mind, when talking about this subject: loving our enemies, our frineds and families, seeking for reconciliation, brought this other thing to mind that we grow in being more and more:
    (Regina also gave that bible verse Gal 5:22-23
    Perfect in love
    perfect in joy
    perfect in peace
    perfect in kindness
    perfect in goodness
    perfect in faithfulness
    perfect in gentleness
    perfect in self-control

    SInce we do not have htese qualities, we have to ask for them, and since Christ is risen, He can gifts to man: THe more we ask, the more He gives.

    WHat we can do, is to stop our old man. Our old inclinations, and every person has gone astray in his own way, in her own way, so each person has his own mountains to battle. But fighting against these inclinations we must.
    And we must be steadfast in figting them.

    Then come to mind:
    what Beloved wrote:
    Let patience do its perfect work
    James 1:4

  157. poohpity says:

    Forever, Actually being holy is pretty simple to know what that means because the bible tells us in Lev 20:26, we are set apart for God. Then when Jesus talked about being perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect there He was speaking about loving your enemies just as God does, that is in Matt 5:46-48.

  158. poohpity says:

    I know I can not be perfect in any of those because it is the Spirit of the Lord living within us that gives us the fruit of His Spirit. We just have to allow Him to work in our lives.

  159. Beloved says:

    Phil 2:13 New Living Translation
    For God is working in you, giving you the desire and the power to do what pleases him.

  160. poohpity says:

    None of those things can be accomplished by us doing anything other than resting in Him and Him working in our lives as Beloved shared. The more we strive at them the more credit we take and then nothing is ever completed because our pride gets in the way. It is not our work but His. Phil 1:6

  161. poohpity says:

    If we were able to do all those wonderful things in our lives there would have been no need for what Jesus did.

  162. poohpity says:

    or for the Holy Spirit to come.

  163. Beloved says:

    Resting and trusting yes but it says to do, that where obedience comes in. The Israelites were told to be obedient to God as proof of their being His, because God is holy. We know how that turned out. In our age, grace, we are called His because of Jesus sacrificing Himself for our sin. But we are still called to Holiness as befits our worthy Benefactor. Our work is to do the will of God. If our lives do not show some degree of Holiness after our conversion I would wonder if there truly was any conversion at all. Talk is cheap but time tells all. Lord there’s more and always changes to be made, please change me to be more conformed to Your will and pleasure, not mine. Amen

  164. Beloved says:

    Thinking loving my enemies is not something that comes naturally to me, but I choose to say yes when the Spirit prompts and He enables me to it because it’s pleasing to God. I strive to please God and not man, I have a long way to go to put down my old man. He fights hard.

  165. Beloved says:

    And we all know who’s cheering the old man on. Ugh

  166. poohpity says:

    What are you being obedient to? I don’t mean the simple answer, God. But what has God asked us to be obedient to? Also what is God’s will for us?

  167. Beloved says:

    Ask for wisdom from God and you will find the answers to those good questions Pooh. You read and interpret scripture differently than I do so a scripture battle is not necessary here. Blessings to you.

  168. foreverblessed says:

    Then tell me the story of how you dealt with that doctor that mistreated you, Pooh.

  169. foreverblessed says:

    As you speak of resting in Him.
    How did you go about resting in Him in this case?

  170. narrowpathseeker says:

    Steve..surely the strength, determination, and good will you have to do so much at your age comes from the Lord. I was reminded of what a big young man Matthew is, when looking at the beautifully crafted Christmas card you sent.(Thank you BTW) Not only do you take wonderful care of Matthew, but you take care of the town, your neighbors, friends, and God’s creatures!

    When I see how you and some others are and what you and some others do …I see what I believe are very Christlike people..what I believe Christians should be…very easy to love and respect. Thank you …you re always an inspiration …especially in the midst of any day of subjection to difficult people…I hope the rest of your day is super Blessed and easy.

  171. narrowpathseeker says:

    Foreverblessed…I hope the weather in your country is favorable.. I also hope your New Year has started out Joyfully Blessed and that it will remain so.

    Pearl

  172. jeff1 says:

    God knows what I struggle with and how it burdens me and if He has not removed it as He did not remove Paul’s thorn in his side then He has His reasons.
    God teaches me when I trust Him with my weaknesses, teaches me that He always knows best whatever the circumstances.

  173. poohpity says:

    forever, I forgave him. The Lord brought to mind all that He had forgiven me for to begin with, then I went to counseling to get over the fact that the police and medical board believed him over me and the process began. Sometimes the hurt and pain come back and the anger rears it’s ugly head but I then turn it over to God again. I know God will be my defender even though I do not see how but I know He will, so I rest in Him.

    Beloved, I already know the answers to those questions from what it teaches in scripture with the guidance of the Holy Spirit. It is not left to interpretation but I believe just what it says. I asked you about them since you keep saying things about obedience and I just wonder obedience to what, do you know and whether you know what God’s will is?

    Being obedient does not make us right or holy with God because there was only One who was obedient and everyone else fails so how does that grant us anything with God? We can do nothing to make God love us anymore than He already does and we can not earn forgiveness, mercy or grace, we can just receive all of those gifts with a grateful heart.

  174. poohpity says:

    narrow, have you ever read about how many people hated, rejected and persecuted Jesus? They have also hated, rejected and persecuted His followers and still do till this very day.

  175. poohpity says:

    forever, I forgot that I also wrote the Dr. a letter since he said he was sorry and told him I forgive him and asked him to get help so that he would not do that to another person. I also wrote letters to the police and the medical board.

  176. cbrown says:

    1 John 1:5-10New International Version (NIV)
    Light and Darkness, Sin and Forgiveness
    5 This is the message we have heard from Him and declare to you: God is light; in Him there is no darkness at all. 6 If we claim to have fellowship with Him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live out the truth. 7 But if we walk in the light, as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all[a] sin.

    8 If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we claim we have not sinned, we make Him out to be a liar and his word is not in us.

    The sermon in our church several months ago was on these verses.Being Holy is being cleansed of sin. If we confess our sins we are purified from all unrighteousness and walk in the light as he is in the light and have fellowship with
    Him. Doing God’s will follows.However it is a daily walk and we must clean our feet daily. Love to all.

  177. cbrown says:

    “walk in the light as He is in the light”

  178. jeff1 says:

    Salvation is a gift from God, but obedience to God brings me rewards in that I see God’s righteousness and not my own in a dark world.

    God does not demand my obedience but when I willingly give it then my reward is that I am aligned to His righteousness and not blinded to my own as my beliefs which I have learned from my culture and religion get in the way of God’s truths.

  179. jeff1 says:

    It is why in the dark days of the troubles here my dad was making God given decisions while I was following man driven ones so obedience is imperative to walking well with God or not.

    God’s grace is my refuge in times of unfaithfulness because it is God who is always faithful to me and not me always being faithful to Him.

  180. poohpity says:

    Holiness means set apart to be God’s own. (Lev 20:26 NIV) His will is for us to act justly, love mercy and walk humbly with Him. (Micah 6:8 NLT) In other words He wants us to be in a relationship with Him and to be His beloved.

  181. poohpity says:

    God wants us to be His family and tell other people how much He loves them.

  182. poohpity says:

    Were we obedient when Jesus went to the Cross for us? He asked us to believe in Jesus. (John 6:29 NLT) That is the obedience He wants.(1 John 3:23 NLT)

  183. Beloved says:

    Gods Will for us is to treat others justly, to be merciful to all, and walk with humility. When I endeavor to do these things I am only being obedient to what God wants. Because in my flesh I want retribution for injustice, punishment for the wrongdoers, and I want everyone to know how smart and spiritual I am compared to them. Ugh

    It is God who works in me to will and to do His good pleasure, because I’ve been set apart as His very own. Without (me-I) there is no vehicle to show off Gods reflection. His holiness. Yet we are called to surrender our selves- (me,I)- to become like Him. We shall be like Him when we finally see Him face to face.I John 3:2 Dear friends, we are already God’s children, but he has not yet shown us what we will be like when Christ appears. But we do know that we will be like him, for we will see him as he really is. The work of Holiness is God working out His will in us, through us, and preparing us for our heavenly meeting.

  184. Beloved says:

    But Jesus said even the demons devil believe in Him.

  185. Beloved says:

    “Resting and trusting” alone is like leaning up against a tree hoping oranges will miraculously appear in my basket.

  186. Beloved says:

    They may appear on the branches, but if I’m not obedient to water, fertilize, and pick them how can I enjoy them?

  187. Beloved says:

    I enjoy God far more when I’m doing what’s just, being merciful to all and letting God have all the glory for what good he has put in me. Morgans words still ring in my ears. I want/need to do better in obedience to God

  188. Beloved says:

    Jesus’ whole life here was about being obedient to His Father. Do a word study on obedience its very interesting. Any who want to be like Him, well, He’s the best example.

  189. Beloved says:

    But I could be wrong, time will tell.

  190. poohpity says:

    Yep, you and I Joyce really do see God differently. I see the life of Jesus as revealing God to us, with thoughts about reconciliation so we could live in vital union with Him.

  191. Beloved says:

    Yep that too!

  192. Beloved says:

    Redemption being the first priority. Sin separated us from God.

  193. Beloved says:

    Without Holiness none can see God. Bible

  194. Beloved says:

    Hebrews 12:14 NLT

  195. Beloved says:

    Wonder what he meant by “work at” ?

  196. Beloved says:

    (I will if street is keeping score this time,lol)

  197. cbrown says:

    Beloved, I did what you suggested and did a Google search on obedience to God.Thanks for the suggestion.

  198. Beloved says:

    Oops that’s wonder not well) autocorrect

  199. Beloved says:

    That’s awesome Chris. I love a good Bible study, thanks y’all!

  200. cbrown says:

    In the study I came across a quote from Oswald chambers from
    January 11,next week.

    “If we obey God, it is going to cost other people more than it costs us, and that is where the pain begins. If we are in love with our Lord, obedience does not cost us anything— it is a delight. But to those who do not love Him, our obedience does cost a great deal. If we obey God, it will mean that other people’s plans are upset.

  201. Beloved says:

    Amen to that Chris.

  202. Beloved says:

    I remember that from the some 20 years I’ve been reading MU. It always reminds me how double minded I can be at times, but the longer I know Him the more I love Him.

  203. foreverblessed says:

    So Pooh, do you now love the medical board, and the police?
    And can you tell the story how that came about?
    For I take it that the first surge in your heart was not live when you found out they believed the doctor over you?

  204. foreverblessed says:

    Auto-correct, the first thing that appeared in your heart was love, when you heard they did not believe you but the doctor. Real godly love was there at once, the first moment you looked at the board, because you stayed steadfastly at rest in the Lord?
    Is that how it went?
    What is the true story, please tell the true story.

  205. foreverblessed says:

    Morgan writes about: reconciliation in your family.
    Please pray for me, I am in the business of reconciliation in my family, right now! Pray for the other party. Please pray for him. That God blesses him with love, and peace.

    God showed me a Bible verse two weeks ago:
    It was Matthew 18:15-16
    When I read it the words seemed to jump out of the pages, and a knowing was put inside me:
    You have done the first part ( v15)
    Now go and do the second part ( v 16)

    So I had to tell him again how he had wronged me, but now taking someone with me.
    When I gave my heart to Jesus, I said You are Lord of my heart, I want to follow You!
    As the way unfolds before me, You will show me what to do, I believe You will, and You will also give me every I need to accomplish Your will. Because I no longer will take matters in my own hand, I lay them in Your hands!

    And in this case with my family member, it was a long and hard time. He kept saying he had done nothing wrong. How can you have reconciliation if a person does not admit they have sinned against you?
    The only thing you can do is forgive! So I forgave. But everytime he would accuse me of the very things he had done to me, forgiveness seems far away. All the terrible thoughts about him that appear in your head! I have them to God, but they kept coming.
    No matter how much I gave them to God, they kept coming. And entering His rest did not seem happening. I had no rest.
    While I faith I believed in Jesus Christ!
    It was such a struggle! It is easy to say: enter His rest.
    But what if you do not feel that Rest.

    And you must know that e getting the Rest, the real Rest in Christ, the Sabbath rest, is what I had asked God for. As I had kept the literal rest, the Sabbath from Friday sunset to Saturday sunset.
    Col 2:16-17
    The reality however is found in Christ!
    What is that reality God, I want to live in Christ, I do not want to make holy what is the shadow of the reality that is in Christ!

    So there I was, wanting the Rest, and not experiencing it!
    The only thing I could say is: Here I am, Lord, I believe you anyway. I will wait on You!

    And I had to keep grabbing ugly thoughts and stop them, and start praising God.

    Now I know what the verse means:
    Wait for the Lord;
    Be strong, and take heart
    And wait for the Lord
    Psalm 27:14

    In the waiting our strength is growing, hidden, unseen and very slowly.
    It is in the waiting that God grows stronger in us!

    There is no need for pride, for I knew I did not have any strength to conquer it. If God was not there, no way I could have peace. But you clings, or other word: hang on to God, as there is no other in the universe to hang on to. Even if the Rest does not appear!

    God give me Rest, I believe it is found in You alone!

  206. SFDBWV says:

    Foreverblessed I very much enjoyed your comments this morning. It took you quite some effort and time to put that all together.

    Spirit fed and Spirit led.

    This world is getting darker and darker and evil doers are strengthened by it. We who are in Christ must let the light shine brighter than ever and I think you do very well in showing Jesus in your comments.

    Thank you Foreverblessed, for you are Foreverblessed in whatever language.

    -13 (minus 13 degrees) Fahrenheit as I write this morning. I believe that to be -25 degrees Celsius.

    Steve

  207. foreverblessed says:

    Thank you very very much Steve, you are so kind!
    But please pray for my family member, the one for reconciliation!
    As Chris was saying, we must admit our sins.
    And my family member now sees again what I have against him, all the while I have stated several times that I have forgiven him!

    Reconciliation!
    That is what Mart cited Morgan was saying: reconciliation in the family!

    Thank you all for your prayers!

  208. foreverblessed says:

    Narrow, thanks for your asking! The weather, sorry, not whether, is fine today! Sunny since a long time!
    6′ Celsius in the sun. Zero ‘ Celsius is freezing point of water, 100’ is boiling point of water.

    I hope you are all coping with the extreme cold! That takes endurance!

    I just read on the BBC website that in Australia there is a heat record, 43,7 ‘ Celsius, that is above 100’F!
    Turmoil in earth weather!

    We have had too much rain, clouded and dark days, cold (even if it is warmer than should be, it feels cold when it is wet and windy) Now we are facing high water levels in the rivers. We get all the water from big parts of Belgium, France and Germany. Even the glacier water from Switzerland! And lots of rain has fallen in these areas the last couple of weeks.
    In 1995 we had the river crisis. Since then lots of work is done on water management. Giving room for the water, (assigning areas where high river water may flow into) and fortifying the dikes along the rivers. ( That’s why I don’t mind paying taxes, good things are done with it).

  209. SFDBWV says:

    Chris is very correct Foreverblessed, we must confess our sins to God and ask forgiveness of those we have wronged.

    Doing so requires shedding pride and admitting/exposing our nakedness, our shame.

    For me such things always point back to the Garden and show me how all of sin has its roots still planted there.

    Of course if there is no admission of guilt and no remorse nor shame, then one is dead to sin and deaf to the urging of the Holy Spirit.

    Only Jesus can awaken the dead and we must pray that He will in the cases of those who will not listen.

    Thanks again Foreverblessed for blessing my morning.

    Steve

  210. foreverblessed says:

    And as I was writing, God was saying to me:
    See, as a government takes measures to battle overflow of water, so you take measures taking the overflow of hate that comes your way, as I show you: here you fortify your dike, you stating that you are secure in Christ, there you make room for extra water, giving every burden to Me.

  211. poohpity says:

    Morgan said, “Then when we have cast out from “OUR OWN SOULS” the evil spirits of bitterness, rancor, unfriendliness, jealousy, and have forgiven all those who have injured us(whether they have admitted to it or not), or, a MUCH HARDER task, whom we have injured, we shall be better prepared to receive the outpouring of the divine blessing which we all profess to desire.”. That to me means to look within at the clutter in my own life when those things are gone which may be never I am better prepared to receive God’s grace.

    Until such time when I no longer have sin within my heart then I might be in a place to point out the sin of others. Jesus had no sin within in His heart but He did not go around telling people about their sin or how badly people had harmed Him. If one believes that our sin separated us from God then why did He come down and live among sinners? Like in the garden after they failed to be obedient they hid from God not the other way around. Sin causes us not to spend time with God whether that be in prayer, listening to worship music, reading His word, going to church, etc. we then want to spend more time around people that think and act like the world because one has more in common with the flesh than the Spirit.

    The Spirit not only opens our eyes to the things within OUR OWN LIVES that causes us not to want to be around God but He heals those areas with grace. So while we are busy looking at what we see as evil spirits within others the very one’s in our own lives get pushed under the rug and confession is a foreign language. We seem to much prefer to see the sin in others than to do the MUCH HARDER task of admitting to our own. John 8:7

  212. cbrown says:

    Foreverblessed, the following prayer from “Our Daily Bread+” was a blessing this morning.

    Jesus, You are the name above all names, our Savior and Lord. We lift our praise to You as we celebrate Your presence and power in our lives today. Love to all.

  213. poohpity says:

    The farther from God we become the more aware of the sin in others, the closer to God we are the more aware of our own sin.

  214. jeff1 says:

    With God I am always learning and that is that I have strengths and I have weaknesses. I argued with my friend because I could see she was having double standards and she said to me that I did not like double standards and yet soon after that God showed me that I too have them.

    There hasn’t been a time when God hasn’t proved to me that He knows best and once I begin to trust Him I take Him at His word and it is when I am trusting God and not on my own understanding that I become enlightened to His truths and not the truths of this world.

    God wants my obedience so that I don’t remain in the darkness of this world but He does not demand it.

    When I am disciplined to listening to God’s still small voice then the voices of those around me becomes just noise and I stop absorbing all the falseness that a fallen world offers in light of God’s truths that become crystal clear to me as it is God’s hand who leads me in this dark world to pastures new.

    The Lord is my Shepherd, I lack nothing.
    He makes me lie down in green pastures,
    He leads me between quiet waters,
    He refreshes my soul.
    He guides me along the right paths
    for His name’s sake.
    Even though I walk through the darkest valley,
    I will fear no evil,
    for you are with me;
    Your rod and Your staff,
    they comfort me.

    You prepare a table before me
    in the presence of my enemies.
    You anoint my head with oil;
    my cup overflows.
    Surely your goodness and love will follow me
    all the days of my life,
    and I will dwell in the house of the Lord
    forever.

  215. poohpity says:

    Charles Stanley taught today about the 7 habits of a godly life;

    1. Faith or Trust
    2. Prayer
    3. Meditation on God’s word
    4. Living by God’s standards
    5. Depending on the Holy Spirit to equip, empower, strengthen, teach, and guide us each day.
    6. Giving
    7. Forgiving

    Without the very first one the desire for the others will not be there. Habits take a long time to develop but what a way to start this New Year “developing” Godly habits. Those are the kind of things we can do but even the desire to do those comes from God, our source for everything godly and all of them put our focus on God.

  216. foreverblessed says:

    Yes, indeed Chris!
    What a beautiful name it is, the name of Jesus.

    In that name we conquer all the demons within ourselves.
    And we praise His Name: Jesus

  217. foreverblessed says:

    Pooh, I just asked you to give your testimony how your walk with Jesus was, in relation to the medical board and the police. How you loved them, as you said, Jesus told us to love our enemies, the ones that wronged you.

  218. poohpity says:

    Forever, what you asked did not seem like I should respond in a serious manner because it seemed it was more intended on entrapment or so that you could twist it to fit your prejudices and perceptions. You really do not care, you are just trying to do a gotcha in some form or another, so it would be foolish. It is really not your business about my walk with the Lord, I have nothing to prove to you, you need to concentrate on how your walk with the Lord is.

  219. poohpity says:

    Forever, when I first read your questions to me the Lord brought to mind not to give holy things like my testimony to deprived people because it will only be a means to turn it into an attack.

  220. poohpity says:

    Which is what you did the first time I shared it, so now it would be no different.

  221. poohpity says:

    I handled what happened to me like any other person would because I am just a person with no special abilities or qualities. I have received the forgiveness of God so I worked through it with them over time.

  222. foreverblessed says:

    Nonetheless Pooh, when you told about how that when hatred turned up its ugly head, you had to turn it over to the Lord, and stay in His rest. So there you gave insight in your own struggles, that you had to put effort into it, handing it over to the Lord. I was asking you, was that only once? I bet that you had to do that often.

    Just to illustrate that we have to stop the inclinations of the old man, and then turn in faith to God, to give us everything we need, patience, love, peace.

    It really helps if you give a testimony of your own struggles, I am very saddened that you see me as someone who wants to trap you.

    It is one thing to say: We love our enemies because that is what Jesus told us. But in practice it is quite another thing. How do you go about doing that? All the while staying in the Rest.

  223. poohpity says:

    If I could trust you I would share even further the process but I don’t, I have learned from history.

  224. poohpity says:

    Staying in rest just means to me trusting and having faith in God to have my back. There is nothing that the Lord has asked me to do that has come easily without going through a process nor have I ever insinuated that it has.

  225. poohpity says:

    The way I loved the Doctor, police and the medical board was not to file a lawsuit against them. Love is the actions we take to do good to those who are our enemies. Romans 5:10

  226. foreverblessed says:

    Pooh, can you explain to me in what way I have attacked you?

  227. Beloved says:

    Good day all,

    I am intrigued by the word “reconcile” you guys spoke of this morning. It can have various meanings as I read but thought this the most pertinent to the thread. From Wikipedia-theology:

    “Reconciliation, in Christian theology, is an element of salvation that refers to the results of atonement. Reconciliation is the end of the estrangement, caused by original sin, between God and humanity.”

  228. narrowpathseeker says:

    Foreverblessed, I want you to know that I (and I certainly believe MOST here) do not for one minute believe any of the accusations being hurled at you. I think my memory of almost drowning as a teenager will help you to walk away unscathed and standing tall.

    When I couldn’t make it to the island, my friend and I were swimming towards..I screamed for help from my friend that was almost there. He swam back to me and I reached out to him…he stayed back and told me to turn around..when I kept reaching for him, he told me to turn around or he would knock me out…that was because drowning people often take their would be rescuers down with them. Some people you can’t help because they know they are going down and they want to take you with them. Pray for them to get the help they need from professional people that know how to deal with them and walk away and go on to help people who want/need it. You are loved and respected.
    .

  229. Beloved says:

    Oh pearl how scared you must have been!

  230. Beloved says:

    2 Corinthians 13:11 NIV Finally, brothers and sisters, rejoice! Strive for full restoration, encourage one another, be of one mind, live in peace. And the God of love and peace will be with you.

    I just read a devotional by Jonathan Edwards that he preached to his congregation regarding strife within the fellowship. He said it (strife) was the most difficult thing he had to deal with in his ministry. It strikes me from Paul’s words that we can really miss out on God’s love and peace in this fellowship. I admit I have been resistant as you can see from my early postings on this topic. But I think it’s about time that maturity takes the high road with love and peace it’s goal, God’s love and peace. It’s what I’ve wanted my whole life. There is none in me, I must submit to find it. Praying I’ll do better here.

  231. foreverblessed says:

    Thank you Narrow, but I am doing fine. Sincerely, I am in the Rest of God.
    And indeed Beloved, it was my intention to avoid strife that I started to ask Pooh a question.
    There was no intention of me to attack Pooh, none at all. There was however a misunderstanding developing. Pooh made it sound that it was very different what she said, on January 6, to what I was saying. That it was all a matter of us Resting in God. And that there was no work on our side. So I thought: Lets not have an argument about it. Let me ask how Pooh dealt with her ordeal, and lo and behold, she answered that she had to give all the ugly heads of hatred, that would turn up, to God.

    So it was obvious to me that in her answer she showed that her way of dealing with this doctor was exactly as we had said it was: being also an effort on our side to give it to God. The effort that we have to make in killing the old man. And then asking God to fill us, and indeed that is God working in us. Him working in us. it is His work.

    The only thing that I was wondering about: did she only had to do that ONE time? She made it sound as if that was only one time. Just one time handing it over to God, and that was it. As easy as that?

    But that was not intended as an attack at all. so I say sorry to Pooh: NO Pooh, I did not intend to attack you. I intended to have a good discussion and not an argument about how to go about living in the New Life in Christ.

    By our testimonies we show how we live our lives in Christ.

  232. Beloved says:

    Forever I did not see your question as an attack. But, I myself have misread what people wrote many times, thinking I was being attacked personally. I’ve even mentioned it but it took a while for me to trust enough, myself and others, to not interpret through my distrustful filter system. We are so weak aren’t we! Thank God He shines through our weakness. When weak He is strong.

  233. street says:

    God or no God, soul or no soul, this earth is made much more like hell than heaven by persisting in these grudges, jealousies, animosities, and unkind feelings one toward another.
    to be undertaken by denial of self taking up the cross daily and following our LORD. leaving your gift at the alter to be reconciled to your kinsman and then giving your gift. What a glad New Year it would be to be filled with the grace mercy generosity and love of our eternal Savior through the new year and New Life. oh what a good year it will be!

  234. poohpity says:

    Forever, Go back and reread the comments made on January 3, @10:11am and 10:22am. Then rather than reading those you ask me to explain again, then on Jan 7 @ 1:44 am there was the attack and completely twisting what I had said to what you think you heard which had nothing what so ever to do with anything I said.

  235. street says:

    Staying in rest just means to me trusting and having faith in God to have my back. There is nothing that the Lord has asked me to do that has come easily without going through a process nor have I ever insinuated that it has.
    to me rest is abiding in His presents unbroken fellowship. hard to do because of old habits doubts coveting. yet to get into His presents there is a cross or the press if you will. our gethsemane. knowing He has removed the penalty of sin in Christ Jesus and promised never to remember our sins again. what a place of comfort and hope. let the ground drink deeply of the waters of life and share them with joy. saw a movie clip of isaac asking his father to tie the rope tight before he put him on the alter, God did tie the cords of love very tight. to Him be Glory Honor and Praise forever.

  236. poohpity says:

    forever, actually every question you asked me was a question of taking my words and twisting them to ask your questions about things I never said to begin with and that is an attack also.

  237. foreverblessed says:

    Poohm i am absolutely sorry, I must have overlooked your comment on January 3, indeed there it says that you had a big ordeal with forgiveness, that it took you 2 years. So there is the answer, and my question seems very ridiculous.
    I am very sorry for that extra question!

    I just simply did not want arguments, but in what you showed what you did in your life, fighting these hate feelings, you were doing exactly as I described.

    I had no intention at all to attack you, sorry again Pooh, I wanted to see what you meant to say.
    You indeed had to put a lot of effort in fighting the hate, and that is what I was trying to say. And then you came up on January 6, 12.07, 12.10 12.30 and 12.32 am.that is was only God working and we rest in Him.

    I am very much with you that we should seek for that glorious rest, I was looking for that since I knew what the shadow of the literal sabbath meant.

  238. foreverblessed says:

    Beloved, about reconciliation, I will comment on that tomorrow, now I have to go to bed. But please, pray for my family member where I am in the process of reconciliation with. He needs prayer very much now, prayer for Gods love around him, for peace of mind, for being sure of forgiveness.
    Thank you very much for your prayer, And Narrow, I also know that you are a praying person, please pray! And for the mediator he had asked.
    Thank you so much.
    And Pooh, be much blessed and at peace. No attack meant from my side, none at all. Just being positive about the fact that we go into that Rest. And I would like to have a positive discussion aboutit. So that one person says one thing the other person looks for the common denominator, and say amen to that and then adds something more to it. That is discussing.
    And I am for the Rest
    That Glorious Rest that we can enter through One Name Only, the Name of Jesus.
    God bless you Pooh!

  239. narrowpathseeker says:

    The only vicious attack I have seen here comes from the one to whom everyone seems to apologize and ask forgiveness. Bait, reel in, attack, and when someone calls her on it she cries victim and the real victims apologize and ask forgiveness.then she starts in all over again..so it goes on and on and on and she actually thinks this is acceptable behavior. Sorry but I do not want to be of one mind with anyone like that..

  240. Beloved says:

    Above all, trust in the slow work of God.

    Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

  241. jeff1 says:

    From Sunday Reflections this song says it all.

    When my heart is overwhelmed
    And my heart is blind to You
    And the pain of life is just too heavy to bear

    And then the mountains seem so high
    And my faith’s too weak to climb
    Lead me to the rock that is higher than I

    Lead me to the rock, lead me to the rock
    Lead me to the rock that is higher than I
    Lead me to the rock, lead me to the rock
    Lead me to the rock that is higher than I

    When my life is hit with fear
    And I fight to hide the tears
    And I wrestle in my heart to know what to do

    Lord, I’m welling up inside
    But I know you hear my cry
    Jesus, lead me to the rock that is higher than I

    Lead me to the rock, lead me to the rock
    Lead me to the rock that is higher than I
    Lead me to the rock, lead me to the rock
    Lead me to the rock that is higher than I

    You are the rock and there is no other
    A tower of strength, You are my shelter
    Lord, you are my hope eternal
    You are the rock that is higher than I

    You are the rock and there is no other, oh
    A tower of strength, You are my shelter
    Lord, you are my hope eternal
    You are the rock that is higher than I

    Lead me to the rock, lead me to the rock
    Lead me to the rock that is higher than I, oh
    Lead me to the rock, lead me to the rock
    Lead me to the rock that is higher than I, oh

    Lead me to the rock, lead me to the rock
    Lead me to the rock that is higher than I, oh
    Lead me to the rock, lead me to the rock
    Lead me to the rock that is higher than I, oh

  242. SFDBWV says:

    Over time if you have paid attention to my personal experiences you might remember that no one in our little small town world dies alone.

    This week Millie died, she was the wife of my friend Dale for 51 years. They had no children and for the past few years she had developed dementia.

    Still she and Dale took their morning and evening walks every day and would often set downtown in their car together and watch life go by.

    Someone always stopping to chat with them both.

    A funeral director called a couple days ago to tell me that Beryl, another woman I know had been put on hospice care and not expected to last long. They were wanting to give me a heads up for the cemetery.

    Last evening my sister in law called me to tell me that her mother, my mother in law crick, wasn’t expected to live through the night.

    She will call me later this morning with the news and together she and I will make the arrangements to get her taken care of.

    Life goes on my friends try and remember what is important and what is not.

    I share this with you here because I have come to consider some of you my friends.

    Jesus shared all he could with those he considered His friends as well. Both instructions and warnings.

    There are always rocks in the road and trouble along the way. Be prepared to know how to deal with both.

    Some things are just not worth your time and energy, learn how to stay away from things that needlessly steal your joy and sap your energies.

    Blessings to all.

    15 degrees with the threat of snow this morning.

    Steve

  243. foreverblessed says:

    Good morning everybody.

    I just had a good look again at what Mart was writing in this topic, or rather, that what Morgan had written a long time ago.

    And the message to me today is: Let’s choose to set aside all that hinders us in our contact with God!

    I choose today that I want to live in the spirit of forgiveness!

    I want to live in the spirit of thinking the best about other people, even if they make it difficult for me.

    Like the chapter of Love, 1 Cor 13 says: Love always hopes, always forgives

    Love is not easily offended
    I choose to not think evil of Pooh! That is a decision I made, and I stand with it.
    And I advice you Narrow, to do the same!
    I choose to think the best of Pooh! She has often said that she knows how much she has been forgiven by God, and that that fact makes it easy for her to forgive others. So I am convinced that she will live in that spirit of forgiveness too! And I rejoice that this is so!

    So I want to live in the spirit of forgiveness, and hope for the best to come out all of us. Because we all live in faith in Jesus Christ, and He will complete the work that He started in us!
    And I stand by what I just said. No matter what negative thoughts may enter about anybody, I grab them immediately, and throw them out! And Start Praising God, who has delivered us from that evil pit, and I do not allow any thought to go back there again!

  244. foreverblessed says:

    Dear Beloved, I promised to write about reconciliation.

    In the topic Morgan is cited:

    “We might well begin each in our sphere by doing good turns to our enemies, wiping out the memories of old grudges, reconciling offended relatives, and forgiving others, even as we hope to be forgiven.”

    It is the RECONCILING OFFENDED RELATIVES that has my attention now.

    1-Living in a spirit of forgiveness is a thing I can do. That is my side.

    But if my relative is being harsh to me, and judgmental, no matter how much I say I am sorry for falling short in being loving to them, and being considerate to them, then there is no reconciliation.

    But I choose to go on in a spirit of forgiveness.

    Maybe I have to withdraw, and seek the Rest that we have in Christ, being totally calm and at peace because we live in His presence. It is what Jesus says about us, that matters to me. So I stay in hiding with Jesus. (In my case I have done that for 20 years with my offended relative)

    If Jesus has grown strong enough in us, it is not necassary to withdraw, we stay in the mood of the spirit of forgiveness, no matter what the other person says or does. We take every evil thought that enters our mind about that person captive and make it obedient to the Spirit of Christ.
    Thoughts like: -Who does that person think he/she is?- -I have had enough, this is it, no more- -what a terrible person that is-
    And instead fill my thoughts with blessing for that person, not because he/she ahs deserved it, but because he/she needs it.

    (Last year God made it clear to me that now is the time to stand up, and hold on to the spirit of forgiveness that He has offered me too, God did not protect me anymore from my offended relative, as He had done in miraculous ways all the previous years. Last year I got the fury of him all over me. And I was suprised, and talked to God about it. And then it dawned upon me that God had considered me strong enough in Christ to face this fury. So I humbledmyself before God and said to Him: OK, God, here I go, I trust in You, that You will guide me through this. And He has done this. But the great part for me was: Hold on to the peace Jesus has given you. Let no remark that is negative ever make you doubht wheather you are a child of God, and safe in Jesus’arms.)

    2-Reconciliation in a family is two-sided: Both sides say they are sorry for the animosity, both sides say they want to live on in a spirit of forigveness.

    Now this time, in my own personal life: I was reading Matthew 18:15-16, and when I read it, the words just jumped out of the page and came to me. It was a supernatural thing that happened to me.

    It was as if they spoke personally to me: You have done the first part, now go and do the second part.

    The first part was me telling years ago to my relative, in what way he had wronged me. He had said, that there was nothing that he had done that he should be sorry about. And that was it.

    The second part is: Say it again what I have against him, but now with the witness of another person. It was clear that I had so say to the relative what had gone wrong. But all in the spirit of forgiveness!

    For God had shown me, also in a miraculous way: I hardly ever see visions, but once in church we had the bread and wine, and while the ceremony was going on, I saw a mountain,( with snow on top, just a minor detail) as high as the building was, three stories high. And then I saw a mountain as high as the table that was near to me. And it was as if God was saying to me: I have forgiven you that great mountain of sin, can you not forgive that small mountain of sin your relative has done to you?

    Now you must not forget, that I had said all along that I had forgiven that relative, why is it that God asked me again? I now know, that living in forgiveness is an ongoing statement everytime again, when the unrepented relative keeps hurting you with accusations, that it is Gods commandment to refuse to let thought of hatred, animosity, irritation etc enter in. That I had to keep throwing them out, and instead bless the other person, and staying hopeful that one day things will change. HOPE!

    So that was a learning lesson for me. But the command that I had to tell again what I had agains that person was a suprise to me. It is biblical in the manner of reconciliation.

    I had talked it over in my housegroup, and they gave me other advice: Just let it go, do not talk about it anymore. I had to go back to God, and ask Him again what He had said to me, and it was again: Go and take somebody with you, and tell the person what went wrong. BUt in the spirit of forgiveness, telling the person you have forgiven.

    And that is what I have done this weekend. So ther I ask you prayer for the person.

    THe Spirit of God is the One that works in us His will. And I am so happy about that. I have done what I should do, and now I leave everything with Him. And I feel so reliefed, or is it relieved?

    Thank you for taking the time to read this.
    This is about reconciliation in a family, and what God has done in my life, it was a pleasure to write it down.

    God bless you all!

  245. narrowpathseeker says:

    Foreverblessed…I commend you for your determination…like I said before you are loved and respected even if I disagree with anything we discuss…for the most part ..I mostly agree with you but..on this…we differ greatly, but it changes not my love and respect for you. Howbeit, my decision to come back here was not to engage in a losing battle with a rebel rouser nor to upset anyone with differing views on the matter… I really came back to encourage all to consider the POWER of united praye..I will share a devotional page on it later…right now I am a little short on time.

    Steve, I am so sorry for the sad news you have been subjected to. I know that your mother in law means much to you as did your friends that have passed. Thank you for taking the time to share your Wisdom despite the heart ache you are enduring and the never ending work that is ever before you.

  246. foreverblessed says:

    You are so right Narrow, praying!
    Sorry Steve, for not reacting to your comment on all the losses. May God comfort you and families involved!

  247. poohpity says:

    street, in reference to your Jan 7 comment @4:38pm, yes we rest in the fact that our forgiveness was accomplished on the Cross what a mighty act that was since God knew we would never be without sin while still in this body. The sins of the past, present and future were taken care of that day. Often people strive to work for His grace but then it would not be grace, we can not earn grace.

    The love described in 1 Cor 13 is the very kind of love that God has for us and He now looks at us covered in the sacrifice of Jesus, we can rest in that. No more striving to please God or to earn His love, He has gifted it to us. We can not earn a gift, if we worked for it it would be wages and the wages of our sin is death(spiritual death) hiding from God and not wanting to be in a relationship with Him. But we can show our gratitude for what was done for us by sharing it with others. It is only when we do not realize the condition of our own hearts that we withhold forgiveness, grace and mercy from others.

    Forever, yes when we harbor bitterness, hatred, anger towards someone it does effect our relationship or contact with God. Thank you for going back over the conversation reconsidering what was said and deciding for a better way in God. You will be truly blessed, God will show you the same as you did for me. Thank you.

    Narrow, I do not know what to say to you other than I feel so sorry for you knowing you carry a heavy burden that overflows because I know you have been a victim of abuse, mental and physical and usually the one’s who have been hurt are the one’s that hurt others, just like Joyce. I hope one day it will be God’s grace that overflows.

  248. poohpity says:

    There is nothing worse than going to someone and telling them I forgive you when they are not even aware of how they offended. Most often we are offended because of our own misinterpretation or perception of what happened or the circumstances and the other person may not have even intended any harm but we take it that way according to our own personal thoughts and feelings. That will cause a bigger separation and more trouble than there was before. One has to always consider what part they played in the problem and not blame the other person for their role, just as God asked us to confess our sin not the sin of the other person.

  249. Beloved says:

    Good morning. It’s the second day in a row with temps above zero here in almost 3 weeks!

    Forever thanks for sharing your journey, I pray things go well with your family member, takes time though and a lot of waiting for him to respond in kind. Letting patience have it’s perfect work indeed!

    Steve I’m sorry for the losses and know Cricks passing will be anther sadness for you and Glenna both.

    Pearl hang in there I think you have a good heart as we all have our struggles.

    Pooh, have a God blessed day.

    Love to all because of Christ alone,
    Joyce

  250. poohpity says:

    I try to always remember there are two sides to every relationship problem and listening to the other person is imperative to resolution or reconciliation.

    Oh Joyce how kind of you. You have a God blessed day too.

  251. phpatato says:

    Pooh, you know what I’d like to see?

    I’d love to see an apology from you to Forever. A humble sincere heartfelt I’m so very sorry too. Would you forgive me as well.

  252. foreverblessed says:

    Thank you Pooh for accepting my apologies gently!

    And thabnk you Pat, I just have felt the urge to write to Pooh what was very unappropriate to have concluded about me yesterday:

    “Forever, what you asked did not seem like I should respond in a serious manner because it seemed it was more intended on entrapment or so that you could twist it to fit your prejudices and perceptions. You really do not care, you are just trying to do a gotcha in some form or another, so it would be foolish. It is really not your business about my walk with the Lord, I have nothing to prove to you, you need to concentrate on how your walk with the Lord is.”

    “Forever, when I first read your questions to me the Lord brought to mind not to give holy things like my testimony to deprived people because it will only be a means to turn it into an attack.”
    “forever, actually every question you asked me was a question of taking my words and twisting them to ask your questions about things I never said to begin with and that is an attack also.”

    I feel this is so NOT what I wanted to do, and it so twisted all my intentions.
    I feel that a reconciliation is a two part, it has two sides.

    I have forgiven you, I am sure that if you really knew what you all decided to think about me was really not what I intended you would never have written it. I do not hold it against you. But it would help if you said sorry.

  253. poohpity says:

    Pat, in your opinion what did I do to Forever? Did I misunderstand or twist what she said, did I insinuate she was not telling the truth about her testimony? Did I accuse her of being filled with evil that I can seem godly by overlooking it? I would like to see you confess and apologize to me for false accusations, name calling, gossip behind my back and assuming; the things that you actually have done. Let’s start there. Don’t tell me, show me how it is done. Until then I could careless what you would like to see, that is meaningless and I have no respect for someone who does not follow their own direction. Sweep off your own door step first.

    I have gained much respect for Forever because she went back and reread not only what the topic was about and how to apply it to her life but that she read what I wrote to see if “maybe” she did misunderstand. That takes character and integrity, then giving that beautiful apology which touched my heart deeply.

  254. jeff1 says:

    Forever, I love your determination as I personally have left my struggles with forgiveness with God as I am tired of backsliding, feeling guilty, and need peace of mind now, as I can not find it in me to forgive my enemies. In time I believe I can forget, but I have not found it in my heart to forgive them and I am tired of trying as when they grieve me again then all the hurt comes flooding back.

    Pooh, you say God does not forgive us if we do not forgive others but when my enemies have done evil against me and continue to do so then I believe it is right to leave it in God’s hands as it is disturbing my peace with Him when I do not.

    I want a right relationship with God because it is when I am in a right relationship with God that I will be in a right relationship with others.

    Lord, help me walk another mile, just one more mile
    I’m tired of walkin’ all alone
    Lord, help me smile another smile, just one more smile
    You know I just can’t make it on my own

    I never thought I needed help before
    I thought that I could get by, by myself
    But now I know I just can’t take it anymore
    With a humble heart, on bended knee
    I’m beggin’ You, please, help me

    Come down from Your golden throne to me, to lowly me
    I need to feel the touch of Your tender hand
    Remove the chains of darkness let me see, Lord let me see
    Just where I fit into Your master plan

    I never thought I needed help before
    I thought that I could get by, by myself
    But now I know I just take it anymore
    With a humble heart, on bended knee
    I’m beggin’ You, please, help me

  255. poohpity says:

    “Set Me Free” by Casting Crowns

    It hasn’t always been this way
    I remember brighter days
    Before the dark ones came
    Stole my mind
    Wrapped my soul in chains

    Now I live among the dead
    Fighting voices in my head
    Hoping someone hears me crying in the night
    And carries me away

    Set me free of the chains holding me
    Is anybody out there hearing me?
    Set me free

    Morning breaks another day
    Finds me crying in the rain
    All alone with my demons I am
    Who is this man that comes my way?
    The dark ones shriek
    They scream his name
    Is this the one they say will set the captives free?
    Jesus, rescue me

    Set me free of the chains holding me
    Is anybody out there hearing me?
    Set me free

    And as the god man passes by
    He looks straight through my eyes
    And darkness cannot hide

    Do you want to be free?
    Lift your chains
    I hold the key
    All power on heaven and earth belong to me

    Do you want to be free?
    Lift your chains
    I hold the key
    All power on heaven and earth belong to me

    You are free
    You are free
    You are free

    We are free
    We are free
    Jesus set us free

  256. poohpity says:

    Viv, it was not me who said, “God does not forgive us if we do not forgive others” that is what God says not me.

  257. Beloved says:

    Viv I’ve been thinking/reading about forgiveness and what I’m understanding is that forgiveness is so not fair! That’s why we are sometimes left with sour feelings because our sense of Justice had not been satisfied. The one we look to as you so beautifully wrote is God. Jesus asked God to forgive His accusers/abusers while dying! Think of it! Father forgive them they know not what they do. Knowing God can forgive saves me from the sour feelings of injustice, as I ask Him to also forgive my enemies. And let God do His thing as I move on to other ways He can use me in His service. Moving on..good idea.

    John Piper said when we forgive others we forgive ourselves!

  258. foreverblessed says:

    Pooh did you see my question to you this morning? 10.58 am

    these words that I qouted that you directed to me.
    You so overreacted to anything I asked, it was so over the top taken to an extreme to anything I intended, especially you sayint that I attacked you. If i ask a question i do not attack you, that is a lie!
    That you feel it as an attack is a different thing.
    And for that I am sorry, I have to be very careful in how I write, and how I ask. In the past I have said before I asked something to you: this is not meant as an attack.

    You asked me a question too! Did I take that as an attack, I even said: It is a good question, good to talk about this topic a bit more.
    You very well could have taken my question totally different, as that you were glad someone was interested in your ordeal, as I was really interested. Glad that you could tell your story again, and how God was with you.

    Reconciliation is two way, and I have said sorry, but I have not heard you say sorry.
    What was especially hurting to me, was GOD saying: do not answer depraved people? Would God say that to you, when He knew that He was talking about me????

    That especially was very very troublesome to me. Would GOd talk like that about me? But now I am repeating myself.

  259. poohpity says:

    Forever, I did not read what you wrote until just now. If I was able to read minds or see into your heart to know your intentions not just base my reactions on the words that were written, I may read things differently but I can not, I would just be assuming. Thank you for sharing and I am sorry if I hurt your feelings and now I think I have a little better understanding of you. :-)

  260. poohpity says:

    Forever, Ooops I think we commented at the same time, this last time. The depraved minds are those who always think the worst of someone no matter what they are really like.

  261. poohpity says:

    Read Matt 7 and tell me what you think.

  262. Beloved says:

    Biblical definition of depraved mind is:

    Bible > Cross Refs > Romans 1:28

    ◄ Romans 1:28 ►
    Context
    28And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper, 29being filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, greed, evil; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malice; they are gossips, 30slanderers, haters of God, insolent, arrogant, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, 31without understanding, untrustworthy, unloving, unmerciful; 32and although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, they not only do the same, but also give hearty approval to those who practice them.

    I would have felt offended too Forever if someone accused me of being depraved.

  263. Beloved says:

    Forgiveness means we have to trust in God’s Justice.

  264. Beloved says:

    Offended but I’d still want to forgive them. Because it’s the just thing to do.

  265. Beloved says:

    Psalm 121:1-8

  266. foreverblessed says:

    Apologies accepted Pooh.
    may I ask you a question:
    I you think that I attack you the next time, can you please first communicate that to me. Not as an actual fact: “You have just attacked me.”
    That is one step too far (that is what I have learned in counseling, keep it to yourself, that is:)
    “I feel that I am being attacked by you in this and this.”

    Then I can give feedback, on what my purpose was in asking a question

  267. foreverblessed says:

    What I think about Matthew 7?
    I am cooking dinner right now, but I will come back on it, especially Matthew 7:1-6

  268. Beloved says:

    That’s a great suggestion Forever!

  269. Beloved says:

    Matthew 7:6 verified my own thoughts in the process of forgiveness and reconciliation. Forgive then move on. Sometimes it’s best to maintain distance to avoid troublesome relationships.

  270. poohpity says:

    Forever, I thought that was what I did earlier in this conversation when you accused me of not answering your questions then you went back and reread what was written and saw that your questions were indeed not appropriate. Are you going to hang on to this like you did with the story of creation comparing what God said with what science said?????? I hope you can let this go or are you going to go into it further how wrong and what a scoundrel I am??? Keep picking through it and the anger and grudge will build up. There is no forgiveness or even the start on it when we dwell on something playing it over and over in our minds.

  271. Beloved says:

    Unless of course it’s someone in your family. Forever I’m still praying for your hearts desire and God in your family.

  272. Beloved says:

    (God’s)

  273. poohpity says:

    Forever all this shows that the apology you gave me and accepting the one I gave you were just meaningless and had no merit but just words to sound godly.

  274. poohpity says:

    I understand so clearly the family member you have had the problem with and the reaction to your forgiveness.

  275. foreverblessed says:

    Matthew 7:1-6

    — “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

    3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

    6 “Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces. —

    So far the reading of the bible.

    This whole paragraph is about judging.

    1-Now how do pearls and that what is ssacred have to do with judging?

    It is this: The pigs and the swines are the evil spirit world, they love it when we judge harshly about other people. Judging is for them a sacred thing, and a pearl of great treasure.

    2-And why would Jesus give this here in connection to judging: He say so, because He warns us what will happen when we do judge inappropriate:

    The swines will turn around and trample you down and turn you to pieces.

    God cannot protect you in this case, because of the sin of judging, you are open for the evil spirit world to harm you. (I believe not to annihilate you) So this is a warning Jesus gives.

    So if God has talked to you personally with these verses, I would suggest you have a real good look where you could have judged, and then go and say sorry. That is for your own safety, otherwise the evil spirits will come back at you some time, and haunt you. Totally unnessecary.

    So go quick, and say sorry,

    And I have a real good suggestion for you: Say sorry to Pat, as you really had judged me harshly, before you had all the facts. So she had a point and did not deserve the harsh treatment you gave her. I say this for your own welfare. Otherwise the depraved spirits will come back at you. And Is say this in all love for you. You must trust me in this.

    And I myself must be quick to say sorry that I thought that you wanted to argue about works-grace thing.

    Sorry Pooh. You did not want to argue at all.

  276. foreverblessed says:

    o dear Pooh, what are you doing now????
    I had asked because you had not said sorry yet.
    You had only accepted my sorry
    There is nothing that I hang on to. It is all of my back.
    I have nothing against you,,,
    I wish you well, and a dear happy holy life with Jesus, Holy because He has set us apart for HIM.
    And when He says, Be Holy because I am Holy, He says
    BE holy, not as much as ACT Holy.

    Come on Pooh, do not let your mind stay on this last turn!

  277. Beloved says:

    Dear Forever, I had to learn the hard way just as you are, that her forgiveness is very conditional. I have stopped apologizing to Pooh because she called it hooey, twice. I learned my lesson. She is unable to trust any goodness coming her way so don’t take anything she says to or about you personally. You are up against a brick wall. Truly.

  278. jeff1 says:

    Beloved, I will tell you the evil we are up against so that you understand how difficult it is.

    In 1976 10 protestant workmen were taken from a van on their way home from work and shot dead because they were protestant. The eleventh man survived and is living today.

    It became known as the Kingsmill massacre and the 5th of January was the 42nd anniversary of it.

    Remember we are now over 20 years into the peace agreement and Sinn Fein the political wing of the IRA are now in Government but have failed to agree with the other political party to govern this country.

    On the anniversary date a Sinn Fein member put a Kingsmill loaf of bread on his head and walked around a local store and claimed he meant no hurt to families.

    I cannot blind myself to the evil around me nor can I stop myself from being angry for the victims of it and I don’t believe God expects me to.

    God is judge of us all and knows my anger and sympathy is for the victims as it is them I see hurting and not those who mock their pain and do their utmost to add to it.

    I do not believe God will judge me harshly as He understands my anger is justified. My anger will not last as I will seek God to help me with it but while my enemies are not seeking God then the pain and suffering they are inflicting is damaging a peace process and a better future for a generation to come and that is not something I want to see happening as I know to well the consequences of it.

    Does prayer stop evil or is it wishful thinking on my part as it seems to me that if a man’s heart is bent on evil then even God cannot stop it.

    God promises to be with me in my trials which means that He expects me to have them and it is with His help that I overcome them and why I cannot walk away from this one.

  279. Beloved says:

    Viv I understand your anger is righteous and justified. God is angry about injustice also.

  280. Beloved says:

    God was so righteously angry He killed His own Son to give us freedom from the actions of others.

  281. Beloved says:

    Others: our enemies.

  282. Beloved says:

    Our freedom is the number 1 priority of God.

  283. Beloved says:

    Not our comfort not our prosperity not our wishes but freedom, true freedom only Christ alone can give us- it’s the most precious gift we’ve been given it’s free!

  284. Beloved says:

    I believe that whatever the mental disability Christ can set anyone free from the consequences of sin. Will we still struggle? Yes, but sweet freedom gives us a hand up and out of our present worldly circumstances.

  285. Beloved says:

    I recommend the writings of Corrie Ten Boom an Auschwitz survivor to encourage you Viv.

  286. phpatato says:

    Thank you pooh for your answer to me. You know it takes a big person to be able to say sorry, ESPECIALLY when they feel they aren’t in the wrong. It shows character. And you not saying sorry and only offer up excuses, once again tells me everything I need to know about you. You are small and spineless.

    Just so everyone here knows our history, years ago you and I were BOTH in the wrong when we became engaged in a war of words. You see, it takes two people to have a disagreement which means that both parties need to take responsibility and own up to being in the wrong. I apologized to you. You did not to me. And haven’t. You see pooh, you have not once uttered a sincere heartfelt apology to anyone on BTA. On the rare occasion that you might have mumbled something that might resemble one, you selfishly attached a whole string of BUTS to it, thereby effectively cancelling out the apology itself. It wasn’t heartfelt and it wasn’t sincere. Your words were empty and meaningless.

    And so to this day you continue on. All these years. This morning I thought I’d throw the bone out to see how you’d take it. You didn’t surprise us. You still sit like a haughty queen upon her throne, foolishly trying to thrust the blame off yourself and attempting to paint yourself as innocent. You fool nobody but yourself.

    I would think that of the dozens of times you’ve boasted about how many times you’ve read the Bible cover to cover and in a dozen different translations, and of all the preaching Pastor Pooh does by throwing in our faces that us heathens don’t read the Bible, that you would have come across some lessons in the Bible on how to be humble, and loving. Or you should have read these Bible versus – James 5:16 or Matthew 5:23,24. And Yes surely you would have read the Golden Rule, that basic Biblical principle…Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. You know, say sorry if you want to hear a sorry. Wow what a concept that is.

    So continue on pooh. Continue to wonder why it is that nobody likes you. Why it is that you have absolutely zero credibility because you refuse to practice in your words what it says with all those Bible versus you so incessantly tag on to the end of your preaching posts. Continue on.

    None is so blind as he who will not see.

  287. Beloved says:

    “…forgiving others, even as we hope to be forgiven.” This says to me its not about what anyone deserves or doesn’t deserve, but about what we want for ourselves, forgiveness from God for sins I commit today and tomorrow.

  288. Beloved says:

    Or, as I know I HAVE been forgiven for sins past.

  289. narrowpathseeker says:

    Pat, I hope it has warmed a little up there for you and I hope that your daughter and grandsons are doing better at this time too. Amen to “None so blind as he who will not see”… So true and so sad for one deliberately blind.

    Joyce and Forever, I am no bible scholar, but I find it hard to believe that forgiveness compels one to subject themselves to continual attacks by the same unremorseful person. Would the families of a serial killer like Ted Bundy (who lured his victims into a van to help him as he posed as handicapped, then tortured, raped and killed them) be expected to apologize to him for their loved one triggering his psycho valve? I don’t think so….I think praying for God to have mercy on his soul and asking God to deliver us from our contempt and unforgiveness would be the first step and when God removed the unforgiveness…I would think that would be the end of it….I would try to stay clear of him altogether so he couldn’t bring the contempt back on us. Do you think God would expect us to carry on a relationship of any kind with an unremorseful person or would .. the initial request for mercy of his soul and request to be able to forgive be sufficient?

    I say this because I struggle daily to be pleasing to our Lord and fail often, but many times just for trying, the Lord fills me with love, peace, and joy. However, when subjected to the ugliness of the world,it tends to get drained from me……we don’t expect to get robbed of our love, peace, joy…from one claiming to be a Christian….

  290. jeff1 says:

    Beloved, thank you for telling me of Corrie Ten Boom but truthfully my mind cannot focus well to read and why I find music so much more encouraging and comforting.

    It’s so much simpler for me to understand the words of songs and I believe I get to know God better this way.

    I have been listening to gospel music since I was ten so I am very much in my comfort zone as it soothes the mind and gives me new hope to face another day.

    It keeps me from dwelling on the difficulties of life and helps me to focus on God more, and the more I am focused on God the less my mind becomes disturbed.

    In a way it is confining myself that frees me from thoughts that are unhealthy as it is my weakness to have them.

    It is how I find peace with God by leaving my weaknesses with Him and trusting Him to do with them as He will.

    I need peace more than I need freedom as I am tired of war and the consequences it brings.

    True freedom will not come until I am completely His but I want to struggle less and it is in staying closer to God that will enable me to do that.

  291. Beloved says:

    Pearl as far as being “compelled to subject myself to continual attacks” I guess I find it kind of fascinating in a morbid way because as I’ve said before I was raised by a psychopathic dad with the same narcissistic traits. The thought process is the same and yes you’d think I’d want to run the other way, which I did when I turned 18, but the truth is I loved my sick father in a familial way and since I was a little girl I had prayed for him. He was saved just 6 weeks before dying of a massive stroke. When he died I was overjoyed finding out about his salvation experience yet had no guilt or regrets about forgiving him after the long process of years of struggling with it. We had hugged once after he finally apologized to me for hurting me. A very God blessed moment I’ll never forget. But I knew he had a lot of changing to do before I could safely get that close to him again. That was our last time together except for very short phone calls monthly until he died.

    Long story to say I believe God can change pooh also which is why I guess I stick around, plus I do love to write and especially love a good Bible study, which the topics give me plenty of!
    Do I still fall into some traps, yes! No matter how hard I try I still can’t wrap my head around her thought patterns, which is OK but I know God forgives and hears my prayers. If I have cursed someone I must repent before He can do what I ask Him to do. It also makes for a poor witness I think. Just my thoughts pearl, love to you and frank. Joyce

  292. Beloved says:

    You’re welcome Viv I understand. Can you watch movies at all? On YouTube you can find the story of her life, its fascinating and very very uplifting and encouraging. But don’t do it because I suggested it. God will and does encourage you in ways you can hear Him, as with us all.
    Bless you my dear friend in Christ.

  293. Beloved says:

    Viv her story may be too upsetting for you to watch, just a warning as its about war.

  294. Beloved says:

    Dear pat and pearl I just had a thought. In Matthew it says : Matthew 18:21-22New Living Translation (NLT)

    Parable of the Unforgiving Debtor
    21 Then Peter came to him and asked, “Lord, how often should I forgive someone[a] who sins against me? Seven times?”

    22 “No, not seven times,” Jesus replied, “but seventy times seven!

    Notice it says “someone who sins against me”? Thinking we do not need to forgive those who sin against others. That takes a lot of pressure off I think. And gives the offender less to comp!ain about as far being victimized by others.

    If I am all wrong please help me out street.

  295. phpatato says:

    Hi Beloved

    It isn’t about me needing to forgive those who sin against others. Why would I need to forgive someone of something that they did to someone else? It doesn’t concern me; not my business *unless* what happened to someBody was done by the same someOne who did it to me in which case I have empathy and maybe a bit of gleaned wisdom to share with someBody. Or, I might need to forgive someone of something they did to someone else if I suffer with low self esteem and I am constantly looking for and crave everyone’s approval of me. I don’t believe I suffer that kind of low self esteem. No, it’s more like..it’s not my business. And I believe I can pride myself by saying that because I know the Bible has lots to say about busybodies. Of course, feel free to correct me if I have misunderstood your post to Pearl and me.

    I would like to add….What it is about though is me wanting to say sorry to someone I’ve wronged; needing to say sorry; can’t sleep until I do say sorry. And I have long since learned that waiting for a sorry back may never come. And that’s okay, because it is me that I should be worried about. Because it is me that will have to give an account of every word and deed. It is me that will face God one day and give answer to Him why I did or didn’t do, why I said and didn’t say and why I didn’t make every effort to say sorry and make things right when I was given a chance to do so. How can God forgive me when I showed Him that I didn’t care enough to make amends? That is what it’s all about. And quite frankly, I don’t need to hear a sorry back as long as I know I have said one. I will though allow the person an opportunity to give an apology and yes when asked I will forgive them. And I am very lucky in that, in many many instances, I have a very poor memory and forget after that. There are only a few hard ones that the devil likes to stir up now and then but I try very hard to bury them quickly.

  296. Beloved says:

    Hi pat I have one foot under the covers but my notification dinged and here I am. No problem forget what I said I wasn’t pointing fingers just thinking outloud again lol. A!ways studying here and I come up with a!l kinds of thoughts. Time to put my thoughts to bed and let random dreams entertain for a few hours. Good night and God bless ALL!

  297. foreverblessed says:

    Lots has been going on here while I was asleep!

    I want you all to know, and especially Pooh, that I really do love her! The Pooh that is deep inside there, who rejoices over the fact that God has forgiven her. Who says that it is easy to forgive others when you know how much you have been forgiven yourself.

    I love that person.

    I also believe that in this case I am not fighting against Pooh, but against the evil forces of the spirit world. Who whipser in her ears: “She is putting you up” “She is attacking you” “she does not mean her sorry at all” “she just does it to show she is godly”

    And Pooh believes all these lies. She does not grab these thoughts and throw them out.

    This is also why I choose to think the best of others. to hope for the best. There is till the end of a life still time for change. (Beloved her dad) So why say a definite thing about another before that time. (Unless a person is getting dangerous for you, then ofcourse we have to go in hiding in Jesus Shade, but stil with a spirit of forgiveness)

    Beloved thank you so much for telling again about your dad, I know you have told it before, but sometimes it is hard for me, who told what, and what happened to whom? That was anawesome story, That you kept believing it would be allright. And I also like that you have that same hope for Pooh.

    And thanks Pat for telling your story! It is good very very good to say sorry before the sun is down! We should not go to bed with anger in our hearts, there is a bible verse, and it adds: unless the devil gets a foothold in you.

  298. foreverblessed says:

    Morgan wrote:

    ” Then when we have cast out from our own souls the evil spirits of bitterness, rancor, unfriendliness, jealousy, and have forgiven all those who have injured us, or, a much harder task, whom we have injured, we shall be better prepared to receive the outpouring of the divine blessing which we all profess to desire.” End of quote”

    … the intriguing part here is:

    …or, a much harder task, whom we have injured,

    It is very hard when someone points out to you what they have done to them, to say, Sorry, and also forgive yourself for what you did.

    So please Pooh, forgive yourself for what you did, I have forgiven you, even if I pointed out which words you used,I say it in a spirit of forgiveness. You are so positive about God’s forgiveness, so hold on to that.

    I must remember what Chris wrote:

    Confess each other your sins.

    We must say what we did wrong, and say sorry for it.
    Unless the devil gets a foorhold, and there is an entrance in our minds, and he puts all kinds of accusing thoughts about others into our thinking.

    We have to battle them for a long time, But if we confess our sins, these particular openings are locked again, and we are protected. God cannot protect us if we sin, and we fall prey to attacks.
    Or am I writing wrong things here?

    To protect our own sanity of mind, we always have to forgive, that is my understanding of what God is telling us.
    Live in the spirit of forgiveness.

    So I am back in the forgiveness. I was already going over to the next step of reconciliation among ourselves. But that is now far away again.

    And I am left praying. And that is a very powerful thing to do: Praying, in line with the word of God!

    And knowing that Jesus died for all people, it is a very positive outlook!

    And I also want to tell all of you, that I am very much at peace! God has given me peace! There is no pride that I have done so, I am amazed at how much peace God gives me.

    I should stop writing now, but I wanted to add that before when someone would tell hard things about me, I would get unsettled, is there anything that is wrong in me that I do not see?

    But this time it is very obvious to me that it is a lie about me: That I do not really mean my sorry, that I just do it to look godly. It is very very clearly a lie.
    It is easy to set that aside.
    And immediately I felt the prison where Pooh is in, the prison of distrust about other people. And I start praying: and I felt sorry for her, and I started to feel deep love for her. And that is also a gift from above!

  299. SFDBWV says:

    Matt and I rise early. I am already up and he awake waiting for the clock to tell him it is time to get up, 4:20.

    After getting him to his breakfast and making up his bed I settle down at the computer and listen to music of my choice.

    Enya, Lorena McKenna (sp), Johnny Cash, Arlo Guthrie, Joan Baez, Leonard Cohen and several others.

    And of course look in on BTA.

    The music both settles my spirit and feeds it. It calms me and helps to set my sights on the day.

    After getting Matt settled into his big chair, snugged up and resting I go outside to feed the critters and have some special/official time with God.

    Today it is an icy walk amid the 7 inches of snow from yesterday’s snow rain ice mix.

    My mind is filled with many thoughts. Many peoples and what lay ahead for the day as well as concentrating on my conversation with God.

    It was strange this morning as I lifted my loved ones up to God in prayer to alter the addition of my mother in law Crick (Pauline). Instead asking God for her to have a wonderful reunion with all of those in her life already there to welcome her.

    Anyone who thinks that life is easy has no awareness of things at all. Life from our first breath to our last is a struggle amidst many trials and obstacles salted with the wonderful interaction of some people who make all of it worth the pain of living here in this broken world at all.

    It is probably the one and only real control we have through life, to make others feel knowing us was a good experience and making their life a little better as we can.

    Sometimes just a smile or a kind word can make all the difference in the world to someone already in pain.

    While here on the earth Jesus tried to tell people this, to be good to each other, to help each other, to love each other. Because while He was here he had the opportunity to talk one on one with thousands.

    His death was a price that the Father required for the sins of all of mankind. His death settled the score between God and man.

    But while here He brought a message of peace between people and how to obtain it.

    Words cannot obtain it, only action can.

    I believe that people of every nation and tongue are born with the knowledge of right and wrong, good and bad already in their heart. What they do with that knowledge is what separates us.

    Whereas His death saves us from eternal damnation, His teaching shows us the way to live the way He and His Father would have us live.

    That is faith in action, not just in words.

    Make someone feel good today and in doing please God and feel good yourself.

    A busy week ahead for us Crick died around 2pm yesterday and Connie (her daughter) Glenna and I were busy on the phone the remainder of the afternoon and evening getting this arranged and people notified.

    I will go up today clear off the snow from the cemetery roads and mark off her grave. There between her husband and my deceased wife Rita’s graves.

    A reminder that I have done so for my mother, my father, my wife, my brother, father in law, now mother in law, my niece, my brother’s wife, many other in law family members, many friends and many strangers.

    It is the last thing I can do for them all.

    Be blessed today my friends.

    Steve

  300. poohpity says:

    I guess as usual the whole point of the topic to look more at the things in OUR OWN LIVES that are wrong and ask God to work on us compared to looking at the things wrong in others to tell them what we see and how they should work on them has missed the mark once again. Nothing unusual or new about that on here just the same ol’ same ol’ a new day and year but not new behaviors. It looks as if it is not only on here but in each person’s personal life and relationships as well.

    That is the point about reading the bible it is used as mirror to reflect the heart, mind, soul and thoughts of the person reading it, not so they can put others under a microscope to tell them all the things that one finds wrong with them. It is so easy to see the faults and flaws in others but so hard to see them within one’s self. God does see them all yet has shown us great mercy and grace, that means it was not deserved or earned nor even asked for but He did it anyway.

    Steve, I have had a hard enough time planning a memorial service, I could not even imagine what it would be like to have to dig their graves on top of that. May God’s comfort surround your family during this time of great loss.

  301. poohpity says:

    For those who think that Mart never has anything to say about our behavior on here, look at the past conversations then read his topics. He actually has said a lot to us if anyone has eyes to see or ears to hear.

  302. poohpity says:

    Forever it seems you only read the first seven verses of Matt 7 but the whole chapter has much to say about how we treat each other.

  303. foreverblessed says:

    Did you hear me say that I love you Pooh?
    And I do mean it with the bottom of my heart.
    And I do not want to attack you, nor set you up/
    I am really interested in hearing your testimony about all that happened to you. And I do not want to misuse that.

    Did you heaer me say that I feel accused of you, that you say to me that my sorry was a fake?
    It is not that I am more busy with you than with me, it is me saying: You are wrongly accusing me. Can you please say sorry for that.
    My apologies were genuine. And I do love you. I do not want to accuse you of anything, it is you who is accusing me, and you do not say sorry,
    Just say sorry, and all these “same ole same ole” will be over.

  304. jeff1 says:

    You have so much wisdom Steve, and so had my dad and that comes from staying close to God as my dad had the same wisdom.

    Words are not enough as you have said Steve and when I think of my dad he was a man of few words and while others here were stirring and making the situation worse with their words he was quieting his Spirit by taking it to God and consequently his life was a bright light in a dark time for our country.

    Forever, I was consumed with hatred for my enemies while my dad was not and I could see that from his words and his actions that he did not feel any bitterness towards them and he also knew that he was seen as a traitor for not agreeing with the rest of us.

    My dad never doubted God’s goodness while I did and that is my guilt, my cross to bear for my waywardness.

    You are so right Forever, God wants me to forgive for the right reasons so that I am closer to Him and when I am closer to Him then it will make no difference to me whether others accuse me or not for I will be secure in my relationship with Him and when my relationship is right with God then it will also be right with others which is why God wants my discipline but He will not force me as He has given me free will and it has to be my choice to trust God and some have the wisdom to know that and others do not.

    The reward is that I walk in God’s truth’s and not my culture or my religion’s truth’s and therefore I am not deceiving myself in a world where God’s truth’s are so alien.

    Steve, I am so sorry for your loss and music has such a calming effect and I am so glad you find it so in this difficult time.

    May this beautiful song comfort you and those around you today.

    God be with you till we meet again;
    By His counsels guide, uphold you,
    With His sheep securely fold you;
    God be with you till we meet again.

    Till we meet, till we meet,
    Till we meet at Jesus’s feet;
    Till we meet, till we meet,
    God be with you till we meet again.

    God be with you till we meet again;
    Neath his wings protecting hide you;
    Daily manna still provide you;
    God be with you till we meet again.

    Till we meet, till we meet,
    Till we meet at Jesus’s feet;
    Till we meet, till we meet,
    God be with you till we meet again.

    God be with you till we meet again;
    With the oil of joy anoint you;
    Sacred ministries appoint you;
    God be with you till we meet again.

    Till we meet, till we meet,
    Till we meet at Jesus’s feet;
    Till we meet, till we meet,
    God be with you till we meet again.

    God be with you till we meet again;
    When life’s perils thick confound you;
    Put his arms unfailing around you;
    God be with you till we meet again.

    Till we meet, till we meet,
    Till we meet at Jesus’s feet;
    Till we meet, till we meet,
    God be with you till we meet again.

    God be with you till we meet again;
    Ended when for you earth’s story,
    Israel’s chariot sweep to glory;
    God be with you till we meet again.

    Till we meet, till we meet,
    Till we meet at Jesus’s feet;
    Till we meet, till we meet,
    God be with you till we meet again.

  305. poohpity says:

    Forever, if you tell someone to apologize to you is it coming from their heart? I did apologize to you but I guess once is not enough, do you want blood or for me to beg you? The one I did on my own not because anyone else told me to, it was from my heart another one would not be from my heart it would be from peer pressure and to appease the crowd and this crowd would never be pleased no matter what I do and obviously the first one was not enough as far as you are concerned either. S

  306. poohpity says:

    You might be able to demand apologies from your family or friends but know that it would not sincere if they do. Did Jesus demand us to ask for forgiveness? No, He just gave it even to those who never asked for it which would be every human alive on the face of this earth.

  307. poohpity says:

    Eph 4:31-32; Col 3:13 Those do not say if someone admits they are wrong just as Christ forgave whether anyone admitted they were wrong or not.

  308. poohpity says:

    I forgive whether anyone admits to wrong doing or not because Christ forgave me, that is the only reason I need.

  309. foreverblessed says:

    pooh, I was very much excited that you said sorry,

    But after that you said sorry to me, you accused me again:
    Read it for yourself:
    <My apology was a fake apology
    Jan 8, 1.32 pm

  310. foreverblessed says:

    And I do love you Pooh, did you hear that?

  311. narrowpathseeker says:

    Foreverblessed, I commend you on your determination and success in love and forgiveness. I have not reached that goal as yet, but I have come a long way. I have been on both sides of more fences than I can remember sometimes, but I get flashbacks now and then of some I may have forgotten along the way.

    I have committed so much sin in my life that I am very aware and cling to the parable Jesus told about the tax collector and the self righteous Pharisee…”Lord have mercy on me a sinner” the tax collector said as he hung his head down too shameful to look up. Many of my sins generated from repaying evil for evil…and in my head I was the “good guy” because it was done to me first…I was just getting even….the anger and hate grew and I remained believing I was the GOOD GUY…no matter what I did… One Sunday the sermon was on hate and how anyone who says he loves God but hates his brother is a liar. I had probably heard that before but this time I was convicted big time….there was an episode that night at work in a dirty old factory about 4 in the morning that began to change my life for real.

    Ok I want to wind this down…but I think that could be where Pooh is…she thinks she is the good guy no matter what she does or says…and nobody can convince her any differently. While I may understand where she is, it doesn’t excuse the behavior. Her toxic comments about others here that I love and respect rob any love joy or peace I may have had before I read her comments….I could ignore her comments but when I read the comments of people who ususally inspire, encourage, and teach and they are defending themselves to her….I am dragged in and get robbed…

    So while I know we are to love and forgive…to me this matter is like training up a child with no consequences to anything they do wrong…”oh you stole something Johnny..that’s ok…momma loves you and forgives you…so he grows up to be a thief…..allowing them to lie…is even worse.. anyway..this is where I am at…. I have to run …but I hope I explained this without offense to anyone who is where I haven’t arrived as yet.

  312. foreverblessed says:

    Thanks Narrow for your feedabck. I have been praying to God: I want to love Pooh, as Jesus has loved me. Please Help me to do that.
    Yesterday, there was that determination that asurged from within, it was a real surge form deep down:
    I DO NOT WANT TO THINK EVIL OF POOH
    And you know what happened? The love for Pooh started to flow from above. That is real, and I really do mean it!!!!

    That is my testimony, and I am so happy about it. No matter what Pooh says to me, I love her.
    That is Gods unconditional love for us.

    BUt are there no consequences you asked, well, she said to me my apology was fake, so I confronted her about her believing that lie. It is a lie that my apology was fake.
    And now I wait what she answers.
    You see, I have seen how God sees her:
    A woman who dearly loves her Lord, and is so happy with the forgiveness she has received. She so often talkst about that. But she is harassed by thought that are thrown at her all the time: Like this thought: Her apology is fake, and is meaningless.
    I feel sorry for her, that she does not see the difference in a lie.

    That is also why I understand that God says to us:
    DO not think evil of anyone.

    Because the evil that we might see as the real truth is actually a lie from the evil spirit world, who has entrances into our minds where we have neglected the saying of sorry, or where we have harshly judged.

    We are not lost, but a lot of strife is then going on.
    Thank you for your encouragement!
    We are all under way, we are pilgrims, and the Holy Spirit show us the way.

  313. foreverblessed says:

    ohhhm I am terrible sorry for all the typos, I was so excited about all these things that have happened to me that last few days! That I was to rash to post.

    Also Pooh comment about asking my family member for a sorry, that is not encouraging.
    As if I should not have done what God showed me:
    He said to me:
    You have told him once, on your own, what you have against him.
    Not tell him again, and take somebody with you.

    I am not at all demanding a sorry from him. I am doing in obedience what God has commanded me.
    Matth 18:15-16,
    January 8, 8.51 am see my testimony there.

    You might ask, why should I go again to him and confront him (in a spirit of forgiveness nonetheless)? well I have a clue, my family member could have said, everything is forgiven, “zand erover” that is a dutch saying for “put sand over it” no more talk about it. But he was the one that wanted to talk about every detail, a simple sorry was not enough, he wanted details.
    That is one reason I can think of, the other reason is just because God has shown me that way.
    And Matthew 18:15-16 is also in the Gospels. We cannot ignore it, especially when it jumps out of the bible and reaches us in our heart.

    And Morgan, at the top of this topic was talking about reconciliation.
    Reconciliation is two-sided. There are conditions to that.

    Forgiveness is alway required of us, otherwise God cannot forgive us.
    (not that we have to say it out loud, when it is about a thing that does not concern us, but a thing that we have seen, but even in our hearts we can develop a distaste for people who have done nasty things to others.)

    And beside Narrow, thank you very much in the insight you gave in your own story. That you saw at once that you were the one:

    “how anyone who says he loves God but hates his brother is a liar.”

    That that word of God jumped out at you and touched your heart.
    That’s how it is isn’t it? God touching our hearts, and it is like a two-edged sword, piercing all our motives.

    Piercing all our motives!!
    It pierced mine, and what came out: A real love for Pooh,
    Gods fire is so good, it is purging us from all filth, evil thoughts, and what comes out?

    LOVE

  314. poohpity says:

    Forever, you need to go back and reread because after I accepted your apology and offered mine you continued bringing up the same issues all over again and again. That was the reason I said that it meant nothing because after the apology you did not let it go but went on and on and on and on and on then that brought others onto your bandwagon. So it was not good enough for you. Good grief you can not forgive then continue to feed into the offense because it then never gets healed, like a open sore the more one picks at it the healing does not happen just like what happened before with the creation thing, it went on FOR YEARS because you held a grudge and continued to keep the sore open. Obsessive and compulsive which is the same thing and you are doing again. You do not love me or you would let it go and talk about something else and give it a rest.

  315. poohpity says:

    Like I said it is all meaningless words, if it were more than words it would be put in the past and we could go forward without demanding anyone to do anything.

  316. Beloved says:

    Oftentimes learning to really love very takes a long time. I personally applaud the effort and the result Foreverblessed. Will anyone ever love perfectly? No, only God is perfect in all ways. We all have skinned up knees. We are not called to be God or even God-like. We are called to be grateful and helpful. And thankful when grace is given, especially by someone with skinned knees who knows what it’s like to fall short yet humbly offers the gift of grace and forgiveness to another.
    I know Forever that God has taught you something no man can teach, and you will continue to give this gift away, even if it is refused, because you know deeply just how Precious it is.

  317. foreverblessed says:

    Ok Pooh, so I go back to how it was:

    Jan 7 4.52 I say: I am sorry Pooh

    Then we arrive at Jan 8, 10.58

    Up until then no sorry from your side, Pat asks for it though.

    Then at 10.58 I ask, Pooh: this is what you wrote about me, can you say sorry?

    You react after that, but nothing is said specifically to me

    So I ask again at 12.06 Pooh, deid you see my question? I have these things against you: Namely these things that you have written about me.

    As there had been no sorry from your side yet.

    12.07 then yes, you sorry! thanks that was great.

    So you said sorry, AFTER I had asked twice.

    Then suddenly comes another

    then at

    12.49 I ask:

    —–Apologies accepted Pooh.
    may I ask you a question:
    If you think that I attack you the next time, can you please first communicate that to me. Not as an actual fact: “You have just attacked me.”
    That is one step too far (that is what I have learned in counseling, keep it to yourself, that is:)
    “I feel that I am being attacked by you in this and this.”

    Then I can give feedback, on what my purpose was in asking a question—-

    Here at 12.49 I give some “education” in how to communicate with each other.

    I am only giving you advice, a tip so to say.

    Then you react:

    1.25 pm that you do not like it that I asked you this question

    and the next thing is you say:

    “Forever all this shows that the apology you gave me and accepting the one I gave you were just meaningless and had no merit but just words to sound godly.”

    So here you are. My question,to ask some gentle policies, makes my whole apology meaningless.

    And in that I say: that is a lie.

    You believe in a lie about me!

    You could have reacted in a humnbles reaction: Thanks for the advice, it is a good idea, keeping it to yourself. It is an eyeopener to me: Saying I feel you have attacked me. Then I keep to my own feelings, and do not say anything about the other persons intentions.

  318. Beloved says:

    Dear Forever I am so sad, it breaks my heart how hard you try to love someone that does not care or want your love for that matter. I do think it would be best to focus the beautiful Love you have received on someone else. I’ve gone through the same thing on here and with a close personal friend. It’s gut wrenching.
    God continue to bless you always, love to you also, Joyce

  319. foreverblessed says:

    Thank you Beloved! Thanks for your concern.
    But do not feel sad. Rejoice instead! Something good will come out of this. I am being purged of my own intentions, do I really mean to say I want a good discussion. Do I really love Pooh, do I really say sorry? Do I really forgive, and give forgiveness? I could always give more forgiveness, and more love. BUt I want to give it anyway, as much as God gives me.
    It is really great, I feel very much held by God Himself, and to keep my old man out. Not reacting out of the old man.
    You see this is a training, that we see where we say things from the old man, but act out of the New Man that is IN CHRIST.
    He gives me the strength and the courage, and in this case the love, I now see how much Pooh is struggling against evil forces. How hard her life is.

    But you know, and now I will tell you a little more of my background: I have a sister who takes the least of your comments as an attack, who lashes back furiously. Who thinks she has all the right to do so. And that we should see it as she sees it. retaliation!
    (It is not the one who I am in the process of reconciliation, that is someone else)
    It is a training to stay calm. Calm and at peace in Christ. Because we are His.

    My sister got that furious that she broke with the whole family. That was 14 years ago. All of us were meaningless to her.

    Then when it was her birthday, we decided to go and visit her. We, my husband and I had planned itm so as to make a way for my mom to see her again. So my mom, my husband and myslef we went to her city. With “taart” in dutch, “torte” in german, birthday cake, what is the english name. And with flowers. And we had made a plan in case she wouldn’t open the door for us: We would go and have lunch somewhere in the town.

    But she opened the door, and there was a great happy suprise seen in er eyes!
    It was just a split second, but it was there! Great thing that was. She let us in, and we had coffee with cake and cream, and the flowers were put somewhere pretty to be.

    That was 5 years ago. And it is still very difficult, feeble. But slowly we are getting closer. Very very slowly. In this case nothing was discussed at all, just us visiting her.
    No talk af the past. I really have nothing against her. I see the struggle she has. What is troubling her could be something like borderline. (That’s only my guess, it makes it easier when some label can be put on it, then you know just to accept it)

    This is a training for me. Stay calm. And try to see the real issue from the false ones. That is the wisdom that I need.

  320. foreverblessed says:

    And I want to say another time:
    Pooh I am very sorry that I did hurt your feelings.
    I had no intentions whatsoever to hurt you, to demean you, to make you feel attacked. When I asked about your testimony. I really am interested in how that all went.

  321. Beloved says:

    Forever I admire that you are dealing with Spiritual disciplines in so positive a manner! It is hard work for me, to put my body (thoughts-feelings-passions-attitudes) under, as Paul said. I admit I struggle with anger inwardly. Rarely do I let it out as I’m afraid of causing pain to another. And if I do, even inadvertently without intention, I feel as if a thousand knives have gutted me.

    But anyway I do support you and pray for you that God will use you to bring more goodness and kindness to the blog. Joyce

  322. Beloved says:

    I just read this and thought it good to share:

    The friends of Job caused him much pain. They did not mean to trouble him. What they said to Job was partly true, but they twisted the words round in such a way that Job was tempted to reason with God. But Job won the victory by prayer. Instead of blaming his friends and growing bitter, he prayed for them…By prayer, the grace of God is poured out on the one for whom you are praying….Intercession is the fruit of Christian love. Little intercession is caused by little love. Intercession’s greatest triumph is prayer for enemies. Intercession comes back to the one who prays with blessings and happiness. Fredrik Wisloff in ON OUR FATHER’S KNEE

  323. jeff1 says:

    Beloved, intercessory prayer works as I have been unable to pray myself for my family and have asked others to pray for them and I have seen the change in their lives so it works among friends too.

    I have so often leaned on the faith of my friends because of doubts and have been amazed at the blessings.

    God puts people in our pathway who strengthen us.
    I have a cushion with the words ‘good friends are like stars they twinkle in our hearts’ and a true friend is a real blessing when times are difficult.

  324. poohpity says:

    Forever, then you accuse me of struggling with evil forces when I have forgiven the whole thing and am ready to move on, so who is it that is actually struggling with evil forces? The devil brings up things over and over so that they can not be let go of but to hang on, that is what a lack of forgiveness does to somebody. Satan does not want us to forgive but to carry grudges, bitterness and develop hate so we are chained and in bondage of soul and spirit.

  325. poohpity says:

    Unforgiveness is Satan’s secret weapon against a Christian.

    Another famous voice of the early 1900’s, Anglican apologist C. S. Lewis, once wrote, “No part of [Jesus’] teaching was clearer, and there are no exceptions to it. He doesn’t say that we are to forgive other people’s sins providing they are not too frightful, or providing there are extenuating circumstances. We are to forgive them all, however spiteful, however mean, however often they are repeated. If we don’t, we shall be forgiven none of our own.”

  326. poohpity says:

    I admire the Christian that does not need anyone to apologize before they forgive. Forgiveness does not depend the admission of guilt but because we are forgiven by Christ that is why we forgive.

    “For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses” (Matthew 6:14-15).

    If you need more confirmation as to the meaning of this passage, let’s try the commentary of Charles Spurgeon, the legendary English Pastor of the 1800’s. Regarding this scripture, he wrote, “…if you expect God to forgive you… there is no wriggling out of it. The man who refuses to forgive, refuses to be forgiven.”

  327. poohpity says:

    That is the lesson I learned from this topic and conversation. I want to experience the grace, forgiveness and mercy of God and I am unable to experience that if I harbor bitterness, resentment, anger and unforgiveness then His divine nature is not in me.

  328. Beloved says:

    Galatians 2:20 The only qualifier as far as I can tell to receive the divine nature in us is faith in Christ. The battle is between the old man and the new. Always a battle until we are welcomed home I think. Christ doesn’t let me harbor bad feelings toward others for long! There’s always some sort of inner turmoil which is good, it shows that God is at work in us. This has been reinforced in my thoughts throughout this lengthy blog post, over 300, I think this is a record maybe,?

  329. SFDBWV says:

    Over a lifetime of going to the local high school basketball games there was one certain referee who seemed like Dracula to live forever.

    He was hated by every member of the bleachers and all throughout the game people in the bleachers hurled insults and cursing at him.

    Sometimes the booing and insults would reach a fevered pitch, he would stand arms folded across his chest facing the crowd in utter defiance to the noise and din hurled at him.

    He seemed to enjoy it.

    I hope Mart doesn’t just shut down BTA in disgust, but rather perhaps move on with a new subject. The problem that persist here will continue to persist as long as the participants in the bleachers continue to give more attention to the problem than the game at hand.

    I know it is very difficult to ignore the elephant in the room, but if you try real hard it can be ignored.

    Equally I know ignoring the elephant won’t make it go away, but it is not in our power to make the elephant change into a dove nor for it to go away.

    22 degrees and cloudy

    Steve

  330. narrowpathseeker says:

    Foreverblessed, you have been one of the most kind and the most forgiving of Pooh’s hateful accusations and you will probably once again come out in her defense. I am only asking that you PLEASE do not let the guilt she is trying to lay on you have a home. If you really look you will see that everything she accuses you or anyone else of, is what SHE is all about…it is almost a confession but it is signed in someone else’s name. …at this time it is yours…if she would only confess that for herself she could be so Blessed. you have done NOTHING wrong..know that you are loved and have a Blessed day.

  331. jeff1 says:

    If I am struggling with sins of my own then how am I able to forgive others sins without having the right relationship with God. It is because I am not in the right relationship that I struggle with both and it is wrong of you Pooh to insist that a person must forgive their enemies when you have no idea of what you are talking about while God does know.

    I leave my sin with God and believe He has forgiven me because He knows I am weak because of war that history repeated and I was caught up in it.

    Yes, I was wayward while my father was not and that is down to my dad knowing God better than I. It was my dad’s close relationship with God that enabled him to have no bitterness against his enemies while all around him did but their forgiveness He would have seen as God’s call and not his.

    You claim to know God, God has already forgiven me for my waywardness as He knew my weakness and it is my guilt of having failed Him that plagues me because as Beloved says there is a struggle between my first parents whom I am more like and becoming like Christ and it is for God to call time on that struggle as He is the only righteous judge among men.

    My enemies do not even know I exist nor do I know them, against God I have sinned and my debt has been paid by Christ which is why I have peace with God, not because I deserve it but because it is His gift to me and God is not like people giving you one day and taking it away the next.

    God has both me and my enemies in His hands and from what I see of this world they could not be in better hands.

  332. poohpity says:

    Viv, again it is not me that tells us to do good, forgive and love our enemies. I certainly do not want to do that myself, it takes realization of what was done for me which I was an enemy of God, but it takes help from the Holy Spirit to do that. So please stop saying that that comes from me, it comes from God’s own words, not mine. I have a hard time on my own to do it also.

  333. poohpity says:

    But I will not allow someone I do not even know to hold me captive to hate, I will not even allow someone I do know to hold me captive to hate. You are a prisoner of those people and to the schemes of the evil one but there is freedom found in Jesus. You are no better than they are but just the same, they hate but so do you. God does not want hate and bitterness to eat away at the inside of His children.

  334. jeff1 says:

    Yes, Pooh, I am as big a sinner as they are, I do know that.

    I am as tired of my own sins as I am of my enemies and why I see it as being in God’s hands.

    It is God I trust to forgive me as he knows me and why I am the way I am and I trust Him to change me from this creature because until God changes me both myself and others will steal my joy and freedom as it is my stumbling block and I trust Him to remove it as He wills.

    God is faithful to me a sinner and I don’t deserve it but I still believe God has forgiven me because of who He is and not because of who I am.

    Why me Lord
    What have I ever done
    To deserve even one
    Of the blessings I’ve known
    Why me Lord
    What did I ever do
    That was worth love from you
    And the kindness you’ve shown

    Lord help me, Jesus
    I’ve wasted it so
    Help me, Jesus
    I know what I am
    Now that I know
    That I’ve needed you so
    Help me, Jesus
    My soul’s in your hand

    Try me Lord
    If you think there’s a way
    That I can repay
    What I’ve taken from you
    Maybe Lord
    I can show someone else
    What I’ve been through myself
    On my way back to you

    Lord help me, Jesus
    I’ve wasted it so
    Help me, Jesus
    I know what I am
    Now that I know
    That I’ve needed you so
    Help me, Jesus
    My soul’s in your hand
    Jesus
    My soul’s in your hand

  335. poohpity says:

    God has given us tools, all we have to do is use them and He even helps us do that.

  336. foreverblessed says:

    Pooh, please be patient and bear with me.
    The last verdict you said about me was that my sorry was meaningless.

    Now I believe I have figured out why you say that my sorry was meaningles:

    because I had said that you listen to Satan. (by the way, I said that BEFORE you had said sorry to me. )

    Listening to Satan—- if me saying that about you was hurting you very very much. And it hurted you so much, that you decided there and then that my sorry was meaningless

    Then I have to say to you: Take heart, you are not the only one over here on this blog who listens to Satan.

    In fact, this morning I listened to him; When I read what you wrote to me, the thought came into my mind:

    “It is useless talking to Pooh, this has no use”

    that was a thought Satan put into my mind, and I accepted it.

    You know what happened: my joy ebbed away, my love for you ebbed away, and I thought this was draining me.

    I called to Jesus, here am I, please I want to be in Your Rest, please help me.

    And I heard the word: “Wade this through”

    And I was listening, what are You saying Lord?Tell Pooh that you yourself do that too

    You yourself also listen ot Satan if you hold on to these thoughts.

    I have to tell you I do the same.

    So bear with me in wading this through: When I say that you listen to Satan, in this aspect “she is attacking me” “she is putting me up” these are thoughts that Satan puts in your mind.

    And you did not throw them out as lies. But accepted them as truth. If you accept a lie about another person you listen to Satan.

    If you find this very very hurtful to hear, let me explain it in an other way:

    If they do not come from Satan, they come from our old man.

    It is a thought like “This is useless” the thought that entered my mind this morning, you could argue is it:

    Satan’s thoughts ….or ….. thoughts from the old man.

    Either way, they are lies, and Satan is the author of lies.

    And either way, theses thoughts have to be thrown out.

    It is a lie that my sorry was meaningles.

    And the bible verse that I use is this one: “Do not judge, or you to will be judged” Matthew 7:1

    Wheather it is a thought that comes from Satan, or a thought that is from your old man

    You have to throw it out!

    And if you keep believing that my sorry was meaningless then you listen to Satan.

    Harsh words they are. Very harsh!

    And the bible verse that goes with that is ** (in the next comment)
    I have forgiven you Pooh, wheather you say sorry or not. I want to live in a spirit of forgiveness, as Jesus has instructed us, the verse you cited last night:
    “For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses” Matthew 6:14-15

    And beyond that: I do love you Pooh.
    When I stopped that thought this morning, stop listening to Satan that it is useless to talk with you, then also the love came back, and the vigour, and the joy, that everything will be OK!

    As I am positive that you want to live in the spirit of forgiveness, and you want to follow Jesus,wherever He leads you, and whatever path you have to walk, He will lead you.

    God has forgiven me, when I have listened to Satan in my life, and I was not aware they were lies from him. Even up till now.
    And I am also thankful that God is also giving me great peace of mind now that I have send the lies away.

    As you said that is was most important that we enter into His Rest, and everything will be worked out by Him. And so it happened with me this morning, but I have to say too, that when I listened to that lie of Satan, that the Rest was gone, and the drain started.
    Thankfull God helped me just in time. Thanks be to God

  337. foreverblessed says:

    The verse that goes with Harsh words,
    I had in mind to give,Hebrews 4:12
    For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.

    But then I went upstairs to pray about it if it was OK what I had written, and then came to mind:

    Father of lies,

    and I search in Biblegateway of father of lies, and here comes:
    John 8:44

    These are really tough words.

    So my determination to not hold any negative thoughts about anybody is not a very bad idea.

    Always hope for the best to come out, always seek for the good that is inside.

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