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As the Holy One of Israel, Jesus gives us a new understanding of the God who asks, ““To whom will you compare me? Or who is my equal?” says the Holy One. (Isaiah 40:25).

Long before Jesus, the prophet Isaiah had been overwhelmed by his vision of One who caused him to say “Woe is me”—   after hearing angels cry out “holy, holy, holy is the Lord” (Isaiah 6:3).

Jesus gave us another way of hearing those words. While other religious leaders of his day used their understanding of holiness as an excuse to not reach out to those who needed help, he gave everyone reasons to love him.

Will we ever be able to understand an “otherness” that is not only infinitely “beyond us”—but intimately “with us”?

Could this be one reason we are asked to rely on the mystery of a Holy Spirit who has come close enough— to be in us, with us, for us, and through us— as the incomparable Source of our love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control?

Could such freshness and renewal come with a holy smoke— that signal a new kind of fire and otherness?

(1Peter 2:9)

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207 Responses to “Otherness”

  1. foreverblessed says:

    A new subject, Jesus the solution to all our problems.
    The Holy God, so Holy…

    I have just posted a comment on the former topic about the law, that God showed Himself to the Israelites on the mountain, when the 10 commandments were given, as a holy God, with smoke and a lot of noise, thunder, and they were told not to touch the mountain, or else they would die.
    So the people got scared, very scared!
    And it resulted in them, vowing to themselves:
    We keep that God at a distance!
    And so they did.
    Moses was the one who would be the spokesman between them and God.

    And so they tried to keep the rules God gave.
    But their hearts were not changed.

    That was the promised Messiah,who is Jesus,

    the indwelling Living Word of God,
    The Light
    The bread of life,
    the Good Shepherd

  2. jeff1 says:

    Fight the good fight with all thy might;
    Christ is thy Strength and Christ thy Right.
    Lay hold on life, and it shall be
    Thy joy and crown eternally.

    Run the straight race Thro’ God’s good grace;
    Lift up thine eyes and seek His face.
    Life with its way before us lies;
    Christ is the Path and Christ the Prize.

    Cast care aside; Upon thy Guide
    Lean, and His mercy will provide;
    Lean, and the trusting soul shall prove
    Christ is its Life and Christ its Love.

    Faint not nor fear, His arms are near;
    He changeth not, and thou art dear.
    Only believe, and thou shalt see
    That Christ is All in all to thee.

  3. SFDBWV says:

    After getting Matt settled in this morning I seen Orion rising over the eastern horizon at 42 degrees. Cool enough to turn up a small gas heater I have down stairs, I made some apple turn overs and had a couple with my coffee…Then discovered Mart’s new subject.

    Isaiah is my favorite Book of Prophesy and one I have copied more verses from than any other.

    Street had quoted the Book of Isaiah during the last subject when he said “send me”, and when you read of the call of Isaiah 6:8 KJV you read who called him and who answered God.

    Amazing that in Isaiah 6:9,10 KJV the people to who the message is sent will not hear nor see nor understand as is God’s design, not until God timing was right; Isaiah 6:11,12 KJV.

    The Holy Spirit is God with us and it is only by and through Him that we understand anything relevant to Him or His purposes. The information we receive is a gift. There is a lot more that we may see and heard and yet still not understand until it is the right time, God’s perfect time.

    I find it interesting that the seraphim’s had six wings…


  4. poohpity says:

    It would seem that the religious leaders only had themselves in mind. Following the law brought a self centered way of life and Jesus often pointed out to them that they left the more important things undone, looking to the needs of others above their selves.

    They, religious leaders, wanted the best seats, wanted to be worshiped because they outwardly followed the laws but inside were dead bones or as Jesus called them whitewashed tombs. Looking good on the outside while the inside was full of filth and decay. It seems the only one’s who could not see their need for Savior nor recognize Him as He stood in their mist were the very one’s who were supposed to be pointing people to God themselves.

    Philippians 2: Is there any encouragement from belonging to Christ? Any comfort from his love? Any fellowship together in the Spirit? Are your hearts tender and compassionate? 2 Then make me truly happy by agreeing wholeheartedly with each other, loving one another, and working together with one mind and purpose.

    3 Don’t be selfish; don’t try to impress others. Be humble, thinking of others as better than yourselves. 4 Don’t look out only for your own interests, but take an interest in others, too.

    5 You must have the same attitude that Christ Jesus had.

    Though he was God,
    he did not think of equality with God
    as something to cling to.
    Instead, he gave up his divine privileges;
    he took the humble position of a slave
    and was born as a human being.
    When he appeared in human form,
    he humbled himself in obedience to God
    and died a criminal’s death on a cross.

    Therefore, God elevated him to the place of highest honor and gave him the name above all other names,
    that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
    in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
    and every tongue declare that Jesus Christ is Lord,
    to the glory of God the Father.

  5. poohpity says:

    Supposedly the acts we do are to bring honor and glory to God not ourselves because without the Holy Spirit living within us there is no outward signs of His presence as in; love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control. No fire or passion to elevate the name of Jesus not our own.

  6. street says:

    Will we ever be able to understand an “otherness” that is not only infinitely “beyond us”—but intimately “with us”?

    just thinking rationally about God’s Word is not enough. we long for a pure heart that we may see Him as He Is. the israels instinctively knew, adam and eve hid, they could not come into God’s presents at the mountain. for good reason too, their sin. thinking about israel being told don’t even touch the mountain or you will die!. reaching out your hand would be a work in our own eyes and in the eyes of God. not acceptable in the eyes of God. you shall live by every Word that proceeds from the mouth of God! ran into two verses of thought today.

    John 12 26 where I am, my servant also will be.

    Psalm 116 6
    The Lord protects the unwary;
    when I was brought low, he saved me.

  7. street says:

    signal a new kind of fire and otherness?

    a new light to walk with/by ….could be a road to emmaus or the road to damascus ?

    the righteous shall live by faith.

  8. Beloved says:

    Isaiah 59:1 NLT
    Listen! The LORD’s arm is not too weak to save you, nor is his ear too deaf to hear you call.

  9. Beloved says:

    This verse especially profound for me as I battle the temptations to fall back to my earlier victim-hood because of recurring past memories. No, the LORDS arm is not too short and never has been, EVER! He’s as good and true today as he was 60 years ago, and before. He’s an every day Savior and I love Him so much.

  10. Beloved says:

    Thanks for prayers for my eyes, hopefully they will get better soon with the medication.

  11. street says:

    dear beloved loved your post,”The LORD’s arm is not too weak to save you” i was looking at the picture mart chose for this and was thinking what in the world?!?!

    i was thinking of the verse if it was possible for you to enter heaven with missing parts because of sin. thinking we are broken and in ruins, but Jesus said He

    who foils the signs of false prophets
    and makes fools of diviners,
    who overthrows the learning of the wise
    and turns it into nonsense,
    who carries out the words of his servants
    and fulfills the predictions of his messengers,

    who says of Jerusalem, ‘It shall be inhabited,’
    of the towns of Judah, ‘They shall be rebuilt,’
    and of their ruins, ‘I will restore them,’
    who says to the watery deep, ‘Be dry,
    and I will dry up your streams,’

    The Lord will surely comfort Zion and will look with compassion on all her ruins; he will make her deserts like Eden, her wastelands like the garden of the Lord. Joy and gladness will be found in her, thanksgiving and the sound of singing.

    Raise the signal to go to Zion!
    Flee for safety without delay!
    For I am bringing disaster from the north,
    even terrible destruction.”

    A lion has come out of his lair;
    a destroyer of nations has set out.
    He has left his place
    to lay waste your land.
    Your towns will lie in ruins
    without inhabitant.
    So put on sackcloth,
    lament and wail,
    for the fierce anger of the Lord
    has not turned away from us.

    Listen! The LORD’s arm is not too weak to save you, nor is his ear too deaf to hear you call.

  12. poohpity says:

    Mark 9: 43 If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It’s better to enter eternal life with only one hand than to go into the unquenchable fires of hell with two hands. 45 If your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It’s better to enter eternal life with only one foot than to be thrown into hell with two feet. 47 And if your eye causes you to sin, gouge it out. It’s better to enter the Kingdom of God with only one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into hell, 48 ‘where the maggots never die and the fire never goes out.’

  13. Beloved says:

    Revelation 15:8NLT The Temple was filled with smoke from God’s glory and power.

    Future happenings vs former as street pointed out. While the former made way for our Messiah wondering if what is yet to come is what Mart is alluding to when he asks:
    Could such freshness and renewal come with a holy smoke— that signal a new kind of fire and otherness? Just thinking.. (still contemplating “otherness”)

    1 Peter 2:9 holy, inclusive, exclusive, light after the smoke clears.

  14. Beloved says:

    other religious leaders of his day used their understanding of holiness as an excuse to not reach out to those who needed help

    Thinking of the ceremonial laws related to unclean (untouchables.) Holiness meant physical separation. Remember when Jesus told Thomas to touch his hand after the crucifixion and the law that stated cursed is anyone who hangs on a tree? Holiness (The Word) became flesh and dwelt among us, John1
    He touched me, oh He touched me and oh what Joy that filled my soul. Something happened and now I know He touched me and made me whole.

    He touched me!!! the unclean, the unholy. Hallowed be His name.

  15. SFDBWV says:

    Like Joyce I am trying to find center on this new topic while agreeing with her about Jesus embracing the untouchable.

    Remove your shoes for you are on holy ground, yet Jesus washed the feet of His servants.

    I also joined in with Street’s first reaction of a human arm on display. Kind of grotesque and creepy, but gets to the point of God’s arm is not too short.

    In trying to figure out life, the older some of us get the more it seems “youth is wasted on the young.” As it takes us a lifetime to mature and bud, what is the point if we are at the end of our life.

    Unless that is that there is a use for us in that near future when Christ reigns and we with Him for a thousand years, when after that everything will be made new.

    48 and clear.


  16. foreverblessed says:

    Could such freshness and renewal come with a holy smoke— that signal a new kind of fire and otherness?

    (1Peter 2:9)

    The smoke and fire, as actions of the work of the Holy Spirit within us.

    John the Baptist said:
    Matthew 3:11

    Fire ….. Smoke

  17. foreverblessed says:

    Beloved wrote about Rev 15:8
    Smoke in the Temple…

    Talking about the Temple

    Ezekiel 43:6-7
    I heard someone speaking to me from insider the temple:
    He said: Son of man, this is the place of My Throne and the place for the soles of My feet. This is where I will live among the Israelites forever.

    ( And with Israelites I take it that it is meant:
    all saved people)

  18. foreverblessed says:

    The theme of this topic?
    I am guessing:
    God is very very very holy

    we, mere man, are made holy through the fire, thema fire of the work of the HS,
    And Mart adds the smoke…
    never thought of that, but with fire comes smoke!

    but the otherness:
    Does Mart mean the fruits of the HS?
    Love, peace, patience..
    Gal 5:22-23

    Why would he call that: otherness?

  19. poohpity says:

    Because that fruit of the Spirit has to do with how we interact and treat others. He has given us what we need to reach out and touch others in His name. There is a song that says it so well called “Do Something” by Matthew West. That is what “otherness” is all about.

    I woke up this morning
    Saw a world full of trouble now, thought
    How’d we ever get so far down, and
    How’s it ever gonna turn around
    So I turned my eyes to Heaven
    I thought, “God, why don’t You do something?”
    Well, I just couldn’t bear the thought of
    People living in poverty
    Children sold into slavery
    The thought disgusted me
    So, I shook my fist at Heaven
    Said, “God, why don’t You do something?”
    He said, “I did, yeah, I created you” (now listen)

    If not us, then who
    If not me and you
    Right now, it’s time for us to do something, yeah
    If not now, then when
    Will we see an end
    To all this pain
    Oh, it’s not enough to do nothing
    It’s time for us to do something

    I’m so tired of talking about
    How we are God’s hands and feet
    But it’s easier to say than to be
    Live like angels of apathy who tell ourselves
    It’s alright, “somebody else will do something”
    Well, I don’t know about you
    But I’m sick and tired of life with no desire
    I don’t want a flame, I want a fire and
    I wanna be the one who stands up and says
    “I’m gonna do something”

    If not us, then who
    If not me and you
    Right now, it’s time for us to do something, yes it is, come on
    If not now, then when
    Will we see an end
    To all this pain
    Oh oh, it’s not enough to do nothing
    It’s time for us to do something

    We are the salt of the earth
    We are a city on a hill
    We’re never gonna change the world
    By standing still
    No, we won’t stand still
    No, we won’t stand still
    No, we won’t stand still

    If not us, then who
    If not me and you
    Right now
    It’s time for us to do something
    If not now, then when
    Will we see an end
    To all this pain
    It’s not enough to do nothing
    It’s time for us to do something
    It’s time for us to do something
    It’s time for us to do something

  20. poohpity says:

    Matt 23: Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples, 2 “The teachers of religious law and the Pharisees are the official interpreters of the law of Moses. 3 So practice and obey whatever they tell you, but don’t follow their example. For they don’t practice what they teach. 4 They crush people with unbearable religious demands and never lift a finger to ease the burden.

    5 “Everything they do is for show……..And they love to sit at the head table at banquets and in the seats of honor in the synagogues. 7 They love to receive respectful greetings as they walk in the marketplaces,

    11 The greatest among you must be a servant. 12 But those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.

    23 “What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you are careful to tithe even the tiniest income from your herb gardens, but you ignore the more important aspects of the law—justice, mercy, and faith.

    This is what Jesus taught us in John 13: 12 When he had finished washing their feet, he put on his clothes and returned to his place. “Do you understand what I have done for you?” he asked them. 13 “You call me ‘Teacher’ and ‘Lord,’ and rightly so, for that is what I am. 14 Now that I, your Lord and Teacher, have washed your feet, you also should wash one another’s feet. 15 I have set you an example that you should do as I have done for you. 16 Very truly I tell you, no servant is greater than his master, nor is a messenger greater than the one who sent him. 17 Now that you know these things, you will be blessed if you do them.

  21. poohpity says:

    The very meaning of “otherness” is selfless. When you’re being selfless, you’re thinking of other people before yourself. … If you’re selfless, you think less about your self, and more about others — you’re generous and kind. Being selfless is similar to being altruistic — another word for giving to others without looking for personal gain.

  22. Beloved says:

    Definition of otherness
    1 : the quality or state of being other or different
    2 : something that is other or different. Merriam Webster

    So when Mart says: Will we ever be able to understand an “otherness” that is not only infinitely “beyond us”—but intimately “with us”?, then goes on to describe the fruits of having the holy spirit IN us it is a great mystery, how Holy could not only touch but inhabit worms like us!!!
    Like you guys said, where there’s smoke there’s fire. Whether coming from the altar of our lives or from the throne. Forever I’m glad you brought up those verses in Matthew, thanks. Does anybody remember hearing or using the phrase “holy smokes” a few years- decades ago? It was used to describe something unusual. Thinking even the way those words were thrown around it was describing an otherness inexplicable, like Mart is talking about.

  23. poohpity says:

    I think “Merriam Webster” may have a different meaning for “otherness” than God’s word Phil 2:3 NLT

  24. poohpity says:

    Or what Mart was getting us to think about. If we have the Spirit living in us, with us, for us and through us. There is a whole no meaning to the word, right?

  25. Beloved says:

    otherness is a philosophical term used to describe something different from us.

  26. Beloved says:

    In this case, God.

    There is also a way of understanding how God can be at more than one place at any given time, its described as the “isness” of God.

  27. Beloved says:

    Many theologians have a background in philosophy. Certainly Paul knew who he was preaching to at Mars Hill. Speaking of God in every day terms makes Him as personable as He is. A God who is not “out there somewhere” but here, residing in human flesh. Oh mart you’re smart!

  28. Beloved says:

    ‘Otherness’ is a noun. Do unto others is a command. ‘Others’ being the recipients of our obedience to a command.

  29. poohpity says:

    Now that is a philosophical view rather than a spiritual one but thanks for that which goes to show ya what Paul was speaking about when he said, “See to it that no one takes you captive by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits of the world, and not according to Christ.” Col 2:8

  30. foreverblessed says:

    Do unto others as Christ had done to you…

  31. foreverblessed says:

    Our natural inclinations are:
    “Do unto others as they have done to us”

    That inclination has to be smoked out of us!

    Ha ha, Beloved, I said:
    Where there is fire there is smoke,
    the other way round

  32. Beloved says:

    Good one forever!!

  33. Beloved says:

    Speaking of smoke and fire….we have been suffering the effects of Canadian wildfires here a lot, how are my Canadian friends doing?

  34. foreverblessed says:

    When Mart talked about holy smoke, it didn’t ring a bell.to me.
    But when I read what Beloved wrote about smoke filling the temple, Rev 15:11,
    Immediately in my mind I knew, God was also.talking about us, we are His temple, our temple filled with smoke.
    That thought had never occurred to me.
    So there is the saying, upside down
    Where there is fire there is smoke

    As we all know that the fire of the Holy Spirit, is in us.
    How often do we not pray, and sing: Lord, stir up Your fire within us.
    The fire also burns up everything within us that is not from God.

    Holy smoke, yes I know this saying, people would say that in dismay.

    My father used smoke when he would be busy with the beehives.
    He had a pipe that he filled with dry grass, that gave a lot of smoke, to keep the bees away from him. Even though he was covered all over.

    What does it mean: smoke filling us,
    I asked God this morning, or afternoon, and some answer He gave just now:
    Smoking out our selfishness

  35. foreverblessed says:

    More specific:
    Smoking out our natural inclination.

    Or in other words: our old man.

    That took me 20 minutes to write, I didn’t see your co.ments Beloved.
    About fire….

    The Holy Spirit is also water

    We also need water, I will pray for Canada!

  36. Beloved says:

    Yes, smoking out our SELF-ishness as pooh wrote about. Cops use smoke bombs sometimes to get the enemy to come out. We could go on and on.

  37. Beloved says:

    I Corinthians 6:19-20 being individual temples of God we are to honor Him with our body. I think these temples have been cleansed already in order for the HS to dwell in us. yes, Jesus made it possible for the Holy Spirit to come to all who believe. Its the dross that is still falling off or burning away because we are human temples. The great temple that God inhabits is not within as Revelation states. Now we’re back to marts quandry of how God who is so much bigger than us all can abide in us. Oh my its amazing! Grace, that is!

  38. jeff1 says:

    “Imagine yourself as a living house, God comes into rebuild that house. At first, perhaps, you can understand what He is doing. He is getting the drains right and stopping the leaks in the roof and so on; you knew that these jobs needed doing and so you are not surprised. But presently He starts knocking the house about in a way that hurts abominably and does not seem to make any sense. What on earth is He up to? The explanation is that He is building quite a different house from the one you thought of-throwing out a new wing here, putting on an extra floor there, running up towers, making courtyards. You thought you were being made into a decent little cottage; but He is building a palace. He intends to come and live in it Himself.”

    -C.S. Lewis, Mere Christianity

  39. street says:

    as i think of the smoke, i think of a barrier like the burning bush or the vale in the temple or the one set up at the base of the mountain. since the fall they were instituted for our protection. we can not come into God presences unprotected or unaided. it’s a time of seeing God by faith or indirectly by what was made by Him. thinking of moses getting so close that it was required of him to remove his sandals. he had moved from an ordinary place into a holy place and was not aware till God spoke to him and identified Himself. these thoughts come from read a book called the holiness of God by r.c. sproul i think the last chapter.
    when i hear of holy smoke in regard to the Holy i think of the future event where much incense is offered up with the prayers of the saints in the Temple in Heaven in Revelation. even now we are called the children of God. His love is everlasting.

  40. Beloved says:

    I’m reading an ebook called The Holiness of Jesus by Joshua Nickel. Ive learned a lot in just a few pages. Hes easy to read and also reads through heavy writers’ books and writes about them.

  41. Beloved says:

    oops thats The Natural Holiness of Jesus.

  42. Beloved says:

    Yes i like what lewis had to say, thinking a home fit for a King! King Jesus, that is!

  43. poohpity says:

    C.S. Lewis speaks of the kind of otherness that Mart was speaking of, the kind of being one with Christ. That it is in fact God who does the changing of our cottage into a palace. The Holy Spirit transforms the way we think and the way we act sometimes it is quickly and sometimes it is over time. If it were done all at once like any reconstruction one would not be able to inhabit it but He seems to do it so that we can still live in it while the work is being done. YET even though there is still work to be done the Holy Spirit has come to reside within us to manage the reconstruction it is like having God’s very own General Contractor residing in the construction zone.(Romans 12:2 NLT)

  44. poohpity says:

    In the past I shared that I wanted to make a T-Shirt that had one of those construction warning signs that says, “Warning: Under Construction, God at Work” so that people would not have high expectations of perfection on believers because we are still a work in progress, so look to Jesus not us. We are forgiven, not perfected YET until the day of the return of Jesus Christ. (Phil 1:6 NLT)

  45. SFDBWV says:

    God is shown in Scripture as being the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. 3, but one.

    In my life I have had many “names”, son, student, Marine, Mayor, husband, father, friend and foe.

    Whereas I am all of those “names” I am still the same man. Each title I have had and do have requires something different from me.

    I have a reputation of being kind and forgiving, yet there is another side of me that sometimes has to be strong and hard and even authoritative.

    There are many sides to being me.

    It is written that there are angles who throughout eternity encircle the throne of God and continue to see the many facets of God, without end.

    There is an “otherness” to God and if we are to even attempt to know all about God we need to know that.

    The whole of the story found in the Torah had “another” purpose in exposing the Messiah, His purpose, His character and His un-equaled love for His creation.

    All throughout the Scripture every verse has multiple purpose and use. Used in connection to the story as well as used to comfort, encourage and enlighten you and I in whatever circumstance we are in.

    The Word has “another” purpose and use…”Otherness” seems to me to be a complicated word to mean another explanation.

    May I say God’s speed to John McCain who showed us all the definition of courage and grace. Prayers of comfort to his family.


  46. jeff1 says:

    Collection of songs from Sunday morning reflections.


    As morning dawns and evening fades,
    You inspire songs of praise
    That rise from earth to touch Your heart and glorify Your Name

    Your Name is a strong and mighty tower
    Your Name is a shelter like no other
    Your Name, let the nations sing it louder
    ‘Cause nothing has the power to save

    Jesus in Your Name we pray
    Come and fill our hearts today
    Lord, give us strength to live for You and glorify Your Name

    Your Name is as strong and mighty tower
    Your Name is a shelter like no other
    Your Name, let the nations sing it louder
    ‘Cause nothing has the power to save
    But Your Name

    Your Name is a strong and mighty tower
    Your Name is a shelter like no other
    Your Name, let the nations sing it louder
    ‘Cause nothing has the power to save

    But Your Name
    Your Name is a strong and mighty tower
    Your Name is a shelter like no other
    Your Name, let the nation song it louder
    ‘Cause nothing has the power to save

    But Your Name is a strong and mighty tower
    Your Name is a shelter like no other
    Your Name, let the nations sing it louder
    ‘Cause nothing has the power to save
    But Your Name


    I am going to a city,
    Where the streets with gold are laid,
    Where the tree of life is blooming,
    And the roses never fade.

    Here they bloom but for a season;
    Soon their beauty is decayed.
    I am going to a city,
    Where the roses never fade.

    In this world we have our troubles,
    Satan’s snares we must evade.
    We’ll be free from all temptations,
    Where the roses never fade.

    Loved one’s gone to be with Jesus,
    In their robes of white arrayed.
    They are waiting for my coming,
    Where the roses never fade.

    Here they bloom but for a season;
    Soon their beauty is decayed
    I am going to a city
    Where the roses never fade.

    O I am going to a city….
    Where the roses never fade…


    My momma and daddy talked about going home
    Since I was just a babe on their knees
    They said nothing compared to what is waiting up there how one day we would finally be free
    Well, I’ve never seen it but I keep on believing it will be a place like I’ve never known
    I keep my eye’s on the sky cause my soul wants to fly
    Lord, my heart is ready to go

    I want to know how it feels
    To make my way down the streets of gold
    I wanna know how it feels
    To have a talk with the saints of old
    I want to know what it’s like
    To rest my feet by the River Of Life
    I’ve heard of heaven and I know that it’s real
    I wanna know how it feels

    Sometimes I get weary from this life that I live
    It seems that peace is something I’ll never find
    I try to lighten my load when all that I’ve got to show
    is seven hundred things on my mind
    Well, I’m seeing visions of a crystal clear river
    where sin’s forgotten without a trace
    More than I’ve ever dreamed my eyes long to see the look of love on my Saviour’s face

    I wanna know how it feels
    To make my way down the streets of gold
    I wanna know how it feels
    To have a talk with the saints of old
    I want to know what it’s like
    To rest my feet by the River Of Life
    I’ve heard of heaven and I know that its real
    I want to know how it feels

    I wanna know how it feels
    To make my way down the street of gold
    I wanna know how it feels
    To have a talk with the saints of old
    I want to know what its like
    To rest my feet by the River Of Life
    I’ve heard of heaven and I know that its real
    I want to know how it feels

  47. poohpity says:

    Maybe the way Mart was using “otherness” is more like “togetherness”??

  48. street says:

    thinking of the connection between the profane and the Holy. jacobs ladder would be an early connection in Scripture that came in an unexpected way. thinking of the cross of Christ and a risen Christ. we were told at the beginning by john that, john, baptized with water of repentance, but One would come after Him and Baptize with the Holy Spirit and fire. Matthew 3:11

    otherness to me speaks of the transcendent of God’s Holiness. there are many barriers i am aware of, some of which are permanent and some i am not even aware of. yet i know God’s Holiness transcends all these barriers even a cursed soil. we are told of the passing over of past sins and even the removal of all sin in Christ Jesus. a very good place to be in a world that does not know Him. far away and very near as mart points out. refreshed made new by a Holy Spirit given by the grace of the Father in Christ Jesus. “Does this offend you? 62 Then what if you see the Son of Man ascend to where he was before! 63 The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you—they are full of the Spirit and life. 64 Yet there are some of you who do not believe.” For Jesus had known from the beginning which of them did not believe and who would betray him. 65 He went on to say, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless the Father has enabled them.”

  49. Beloved says:

    Thinking the connection is found on a molecular level first, infused with the Holiness of God, the Otherness. Keeping it simple.

  50. jeff1 says:

    The sands have been washed in the footprints Of the stranger on Galilee’s shore.
    And the voice that subdued the rough billows,
    Will be heard in Judea no more.
    But the path of that lone Galilean,
    With joy I will follow today;
    And the toils of the road will seem nothing,
    When I get to the end of the way.
    There are so many hills to climb upward,
    I often am longing for rest.
    But He who appoints me my pathway
    Knows just what is needful and best.
    I know in His word He hath promised
    That my strength, “it shall be as my day”,
    And the toils of the road will seem nothing,
    When I get to the end of the way.
    He loves me too well to forsake me,
    Or give me a trial too much;
    All His people have been dearly purchased,
    And Satan can never claim such.
    By and by I shall see Him and praise Him,
    In the city of unending day;
    And the toils of the road will seem nothing,
    When I get to the end of the way.
    When the last feeble step has been taken,
    And the gates of that city appear,
    And the beautiful songs of the angels
    Float out on my listening ear;
    When all that now seems so mysterious
    Will be bright and as clear as the day,
    Then the toils of the road will seem nothing,
    When I get to the end of the way.

  51. foreverblessed says:

    Thank you all for this discussion, and Mart who gives the platform!

    As Street said: smoke is also to not beable to come to close to Him.

    And yet He comes very near: He wants to live in us.

    Living in us!
    Then Jeff have that bit of CS Lewis, God does not renovate our cottage, but knocks it down completely.

    So here is a writing about building our house:

  52. foreverblessed says:

    August 25 – House of the Spirit

    “Lest perhaps you should let them slip” — “Hold fast that thou hast.” Each Truth learned has to be cemented to your being by obedience.

    Your soul-character is like a building. It IS a building (the Temple) in which the God-Spirit can make a Home.

    Bricks lying on the ground separate are useless; placed together, united, they form a building. So obedience is the mortar by which Truths are retained and become a part of the being. Truths which would otherwise be lost.

    So every Truth I give you must be lived out.

    From God calling, twolisteners

  53. foreverblessed says:

    God building a palace, we may have a part in it
    God reveals us His truths, one by one, as building blocks, and we by our obedience, as the mortar, glue it together.

    Truths of God being incorporated in our lives.

  54. poohpity says:

    If we were able to produce love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control in our own lives why don’t we do it? There would be a world full of that type of people rather than rebellious, selfish, hateful, impatient, self seeking, self absorbed, grumbling/complaining, angry and impulsive type people.

    God can reveal all the truths He wants but unless we have the help of the Spirit of God living in us those truths mean nothing nor do we live those truths. Many do not even know those truths or the Truth that sets us free from living under the burden of sin to a fresh newness, kinda life. People have to know there is a better way and only God can reveal that to us.

    We look more like the world because we live in it, think about it and rarely spend that much time with the Lord for Him to start the renovation process. It takes self control to dedicate and submit one’s life to Christ, it is just easier to live like what we are surrounded by.

  55. poohpity says:

    “My Jesus”

    Which Jesus do you follow?
    Which Jesus do you serve?
    If Ephesians says to imitate Christ
    Why do you look so much like the world?

    ‘Cause my Jesus bled and died
    He spent His time with thieves and liars
    He loved the poor and accosted the arrogant
    So which one do you want to be?

    Blessed are the poor in spirit
    Or do we pray to be blessed with the wealth of this land?
    Blessed are they that hunger and thirst for righteousness
    Or do we ache for another taste of this world of shifting sand?

    ‘Cause my Jesus bled and died for my sins
    He spent His time with thieves and sluts and liars
    He loved the poor and accosted the rich
    So which one do you want to be?

    And who is this that you follow
    This picture of the American dream
    If Jesus was here would you walk right by on the other side
    Or fall down and worship at His holy feet? Holy, yeah

    Pretty blue eyes and curly brown hair and a clear complexion
    Is how you see Him as He dies for Your sins
    But the Word says He was battered and scarred
    Or did you miss that part?
    Sometimes I doubt we’d recognize Him

    ‘Cause my Jesus bled and died
    He spent His time with thieves and the least of these
    He loved the poor and accosted the comfortable
    So which one do you want to be?

    ‘Cause my Jesus would never be accepted in my church
    The blood and dirt on His feet might stain the carpet
    But He reaches for the hurting and despises the proud
    And I think He’d prefer Beale St. to the stained glass crowd
    And I know that He can hear me if I cry out loud

    I wanna be like my Jesus
    I wanna be like my Jesus
    I wanna be like my Jesus, yeah
    I wanna be like my Jesus, oh, oh, oh

    Not a poster child for American prosperity, but like my Jesus
    You see I’m tired of living for success and popularity
    I wanna be like my Jesus, but I’m not sure what that means
    To be like You Jesus

    ‘Cause You said to live like You, to love like You
    But then You died for me
    Can I be like You, Jesus?
    I wanna be like You, Jesus
    I wanna be like my Jesus

  56. street says:

    thinking of the angel that covered his feet with two wings covered his face with two wings and flew with two wings in God’s presents crying out Holy Holy Holy…..
    i don’t believe this angel ever sinned and yet it could not look directly at God. even covered, God Holiness and Glory penetrated it’s being and the angel never got tired of saying the same thing. his voice shook the temple of God even the threshold.

  57. jeff1 says:

    My mum would say that people lie and believe they can bury the truth but you cannot bury the truth is what she would say it will resurface and I believe that it is God’s way that the truth resurface as otherwise God is blamed for man’s waywardness.

    On the global stage we have the Pope’s visit to Ireland overshadowed by the abuse that happened over decades when children put into homes run by priests and nuns were abused.

    In catholic Ireland there was a disappointing turnout where it fell short of the 500,000 expected. The crowds paled in comparison to the numbers that greeted Pope John Paul in 1979 when more than 75% of the population flocked to see the pontiff.

    While the Pope prays for forgiveness a former Vatican official has claimed Pope Francis has known about allegations of sex abuse against a prominent cardinal in the US for years.

    Living in Northern Ireland I have listened to Roman Catholics speak of how the younger generation are turning away from mass because they doubt the sincerity of their priests.

    I see that the older Roman Catholic has a very different view of the church than the younger generation.

    I also see that as a Protestant the same can be said as I see a dramatic change in attitudes in both religions.

    As I see it religions works for those of us who attend our church with God in mind rather than religion however in a country where politics and religion have become entwined the preacher has an influence on whether he teaches God’s truth or his own.

    I have heard preachers preach for their own ends rather than to God’s truths and so I understand why a younger generation is sceptical in listening to preachers today.

    What I do see is that a younger generation have minds of their own and neither parents or religion will influence them.

    I see that as a positive and not a negative as they are seeking the truth because a history of abuse tells them that there is something badly wrong with a system that neglects to address it.

    It would seem the Roman Catholic church has been more concerned for its reputation than it has been for the good of its people and there’s a lesson to be learned from that for us all I believe.

  58. poohpity says:

    The first amendment of our Constitution was written because of what was happening in England by the government establishing the church. The church here is independent of the government and stands without government interference. The Monarch holds the leadership of the Church of England while here the government has no say so nor can establish any church in the USA.

  59. poohpity says:

    I fully believe that everyone who has broken the law(child abuse) within said church should not only be prosecuted under the full extend of the law also the lack of the Vatican stepping in makes me sick to say the least. They are not above the law but should be held to a higher standard in the same manner they hold themselves in such a high standard to believing they should be worshiped as leaders. They are a very big part of the very evil in this world to pick on the innocent and weak. Argh!!!

  60. street says:

    They are not above the law but should be held to a higher standard in the same manner they hold themselves in such a high standard to believing they should be worshiped as leaders. They are a very big part of the very evil in this world to pick on the innocent and weak. Argh!!!

    “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.”

    the law kills,
    Jesus saves.

    when you suffer, make sure you are not suffering because you are a law breaker.

    thinking of the crises between the king and the priesthood we see now. we saw a little of it in the Old Testament. it never went away. there is no crises in either one in Christ Jesus. KING of kings LORD of lords.

  61. Beloved says:

    You make a good point street. Thinking Jesus did not come to shame and demean the leaders (law keepers) of His time but to show them the Way, He was and remains the Way truth and life. How blessed we all are. Regarding the Catholic church healing always begins with great pain. Then and now.

  62. Beloved says:

    According to Catholic doctrine a priest is a priest forever because God chose them, no matter what sins they commit. Which is why a sinning priest was often just moved to another parish.

  63. jeff1 says:

    I am glad to hear that a younger generation are questioning the doctrine and not embracing it as the older generation did.

    I remember my mum saying that the priest had a hold on the congregation that was unhealthy. She told me of her catholic friend telling her that the priest announced at mass that they were to stop going to the dances in the orange hall and she (my mum) was shocked to find that they never returned, except her friend, who said, he wont tell me where I can and can not go.

    My sister had a catholic friend at school and she said to her you are not so bad for a Protestant because they had been told that we were damned and to avoid us and so not surprisingly they believe their religion is superior when they have been brainwashed to thinking this way.

    Today we see that someone in the Vatican has had the courage to speak out and that person is to be commended for doing so because intimidation and fear has been a stumbling block to the truth for too long so prayers for all who endeavour to change this and make it a safer world for the more vulnerable in society.

    My mum was right the truth will come to the forefront eventually as you can fool the people some of the time but not all of the time.

  64. poohpity says:

    street, let me remind you of what the bible says about someone who says they are a believer yet does the very things that those priest have done. We are to judge those within the church who do such foul things according to God’s word. Read 1 Cor 5:11-12

    For you Beloved read Matt 23 all of it, Jesus actually did shame and convict the religious leaders.

  65. poohpity says:

    that is a good example of blowing smoke without having knowledge.

  66. Beloved says:

    We’re all victims of victims yet in Christ all can be set free, free to forgive and love as God has loved us. Free to follow the lover and Savior of our damaged souls.

  67. phpatato says:

    Powerful stories, to be so short.

    1. Today, I interviewed my grandmother for part of a research paper I’m working on for my Psychology class. When I asked her to define success in her own words, she said;

    “Success is when you look back at your life and the memories make you smile.”

    —————————— ———————-

    2. Today, I asked my mentor – a very successful business man in his 70s what his top 3 tips are for success. He smiled and said;

    “Read something no one else is reading, think something no one else is thinking, and do something no one else is doing.”

    —————————— ————————

    3. Today, after my 72-hour shift at the fire station, a woman ran up to me at the grocery store and gave me a hug. When I tensed up, she realized I didn’t recognize her. She let go with tears of joy in her eyes and the most sincere smile and said;

    “On 9-11-2001, you carried me out of the World Trade Center.”

    —————————— ————————-

    4. Today, after I watched my dog get run over by a car, I sat on the side of the road holding him and crying. And just before he died;

    he licked the tears off my face.

    —————————— ————————-

    5. Today at 7AM, I woke up feeling ill, but decided I needed the money, so I went into work. At 3PM I got laid off. On my drive home I got a flat tire. When I went into the trunk for the spare, it was flat too.

    A man in a BMW pulled over, gave me a ride, we chatted, and then he offered me a job.

    I start tomorrow.

    —————————— ————————-

    6. Today, as my father, three brothers, and two sisters stood around my mother’s hospital bed, my mother uttered her last coherent words before she died.

    She simply said, “I feel so loved right now. We should have gotten together like this more often.”

    —————————— ————————-

    7. Today, I kissed my dad on the forehead as he passed away in a small hospital bed. About 5 seconds after he passed,

    I realized it was the first time I had given him a kiss since I was a little boy.

    —————————— ————————-

    8. Today, in the cutest voice, my 8-year-old daughter asked me to start recycling. I chuckled and asked, “Why?” She replied, “So you can help me save the planet.” I chuckled again and asked, “And why do you want to save the planet?”

    Because that’s where I keep all my stuff,” she said.

    —————————— ————————-

    9. Today, when I witnessed a 27-year-old breast cancer patient laughing hysterically at her 2-year-old daughter’s antics, I suddenly realized that,

    I need to stop complaining about my life and start celebrating it again.

    —————————— ————————-

    10. Today, a boy in a wheelchair saw me desperately struggling on crutches with my broken leg and offered to carry my backpack and books for me. He helped me all the way across campus to my class and as he was leaving he said,

    “I hope you feel better soon.”

    —————————— ————————-

    11. Today, I was feeling down because the results of a biopsy came back malignant. When I got home, I opened an e-mail that said, “Thinking of you today. If you need me, I’m a phone call away.”

    It was from a high school friend I hadn’t seen in 10 years.

    —————————— ————————–

    12. Today, I was traveling in Kenya and I met a refugee from Zimbabwe. He said he hadn’t eaten anything in over 3 days and looked extremely skinny and unhealthy. Then my friend offered him the rest of the sandwich he was eating

    The first thing the man said was, “We can share it.”

    —————————— ————————–
    Pooh let me remind you

    The best sermons are lived, not preached. Stop your preaching and start to live by what you preach. Get off your high horse before you fall hard to the ground. You are blinded by your own smoke.

    Street and Beloved

    Continue to…think something no one else is thinking. xo

  68. Beloved says:

    Pat that’s what I love about this blog, we have room to think and grow. To recognize counterfeit money you study the real thing until the flaws of a counterfeit are easily spotted. The more time I spend with Jesus the less I am bothered by others. Oh He’s wonderful!

  69. street says:

    sorry missed some post earlier. need to go back and look at them. anyway this thought came to mind

    otherness, not of creation.

    otherness might be a word to describe the Holy, set apart, or transcendent One.

  70. poohpity says:

    Pat, just because I do not brag about the things I do everyday to help others you assume I don’t and continue to falsely accuse me probably because of the kind of life you lead and think mine is similar. Just like your preaching to me yet you accuse me of being the one preaching.

    If you will reread what was said then you are saying that no one should correct or arrest the Catholic Priests that are committing child molestation and child sexual assault because they are Priests. And saying it is the same thing as the woman caught in adultery which by the way she was not a believer at the time, when it is in no way the same. To me it is no different than any other person committing those acts whether they are Priests or not they all need to be arrested that does not mean they can not be forgiven but there are consequences to all of our actions and sometimes that even being put in prison. If one wants to know what God teaches us about such acts then rather than spout off or blow smoke one has only to read what it says about those situations.

    I forgave the person who molested my son but I was glad he not only got put in jail but was also not allowed to be around any kids under 10. The same with when I was raped I forgave him but was glad he got put in jail for the crime he committed.

    For anyone not to want those who hurt those children to have to serve the consequences of their choices then that would be just commending their actions as the right thing to do. To me it is merciful to put them in jail rather than letting them roam free to do it again to another child.

  71. poohpity says:

    I am totally disgusted that street, Beloved and you Pat do not think that the very men representing God did what they did to children without being arrested is saying it is all right and no one should say anything because we all sin. Talk about sick and warped thinking.

  72. Beloved says:

    Sorry about getting off track with talking about Catholicism.

    Holiness, Otherness. Makes sense that as Mart said Jesus showed us a whole new way of thinking about God. He makes me smile.

  73. Beloved says:

    Pat your stories made me smile thinking of Christ shining in a thousand different faces.

  74. street says:

    Holy Smoke, Holy Fire,
    one of the sayings that mart brings up from time to time that i still have struggles with is consuming fire. one thing i think of is the story of cain and able. about sin knocking at the door you must master it. one way is to be dead, dead people can not answer the door. the other is to be occupied with Christ. consuming fire. you will pass through the fire, but it will not hurt you.

    Numbers 31:23
    everything that can stand the fire, you shall pass through the fire, and it shall be clean, but it shall be purified with water for impurity. But whatever cannot stand the fire you shall pass through the water.

    Isaiah 43:2
    “When you pass through the waters, I will be with you; And through the rivers, they will not overflow you. When you walk through the fire, you will not be scorched, Nor will the flame burn you.

  75. Beloved says:

    Sin crouching at the door…hopefully the choice is to not allow it entrance. But its always lurking. When Christ is our standard we have to make a choice, life or death. Flames of hell or flames of deliverance, I’m thinking.

  76. street says:

    interesting beloved.
    the direction you are facing will help you make the choice. sowing to the flesh or sowing to the Spirit. sometimes we focus on circumstance or things too much. the idea of care free takes on new meaning when you become free from the cares of the world. like not coveting the things of the world. be careful here… just blogged this and have not though this through with verses.

  77. Beloved says:

    Jesus was obedient to His Father. Emptied Himself to allow his death through fire ( not speaking of literal fire) that would become our salvation. Why am I sensing deja vu now?

    He went through a fire like no one before, the sinless One suffering the complete wrath of God even to hell, where he preached to the prisoners.

    This is my understanding, anyway.

  78. Beloved says:

    Looking forward to the verses.

  79. Beloved says:

    On second thought Gods wrath will not be completed until Christ returns. (Revelation)

  80. jeff1 says:

    Pooh, I am with you completely on not excusing priests and nuns for their abuse of the innocent.

    I was quite shocked to hear a Protestant religious woman I work with comment on how the Roman Catholic church should allow priests to marry as if this was an excuse for their abuse.

    I replied surely that does not excuse their behaviour as anyone who found the celibacy too much had a choice to leave the priesthood rather than abuse the innocent.

    Then there is the priests who have served faithfully and not abused and the one in the Vatican who has spoken out to stop it happening.

    Otherness to me means not turning a blind eye to the evil around us especially when it comes from religious authorities who are demanding worship from its members and in the same breath abusing those members.

    Are we so self gratified that the ugliness in the world does not stir up in us some compassion and concern for others who are being persecuted by the very righteous leaders who are claiming allegiance to Christ.

    It is enough to turn me away from Christianity to hear such murmurings of excuses for depravity against the innocent.

    I too am disgusted Pooh as I live in a country where Roman Catholics who attended state run schools by the church speak of not just sexual abuse but of cruelty to them by religious leaders who bullied and beat them into submission and if this is God’s way then I am worshipping a very different God to their’s.

  81. SFDBWV says:

    I have been enjoying just reading the comments for a few days allowing thoughts to germinate within me, some are a flash in the pan, other’s may be worth sharing.

    Mart always presents Jesus the Christ in one form or another, but always Jesus of Nazareth the Christ whether hidden by smoke or as a burning bush.

    I loved the post Pat shared, she sent that line of short stories to me via email and I sent them on to others, a smile is always appreciated, thanks Pat.

    Viv mentioned the troubles of the Catholic Church regarding its wayward priests. It has been a hot topic here in the USA for quite a while, but the report from Pennsylvania was a bit shocking in the numbers of pedophiles disguised as priests and of course their being protected by the church.

    It almost defines a catch 22 scenario within Christianity. It would seem the guilty parties involved counted on being forgiven, not only by God, but by the victims and certainly by other Christians especially their fellow priests and authorities within the church.

    Making everyone else either adopt the pure Christian belief as to “forgive and forget” or seek “justice”.

    Forcing their peers as well as the rest of us to look inward as to what we really believe in as far as being Christian really means.

    I would have to say there are many other Christians who ply the same thinking other than the homosexual pedophiles within the Catholic Church.

    I have often stated that I love history and science, as both prove the existence of God. History showing man’s inability to govern himself and science proving the hand of a Creator.

    Mankind is broken and until Jesus makes all things new it will remain broken, with only the love of Christ seen as a light in a dark world.

    His light is seen through us who allow Him to shine through and not be clouded over by presenting ourselves instead of Him.

    Just one other comment about the Catholic Church scandal. If a priest were to have committed a murder or even just stole a car and people within the church covered it up in order to protect them, they all would be guilty of the crime and punishable by law. Aiding and abetting the perpetrator joins you to the crime.

    Thinking of a six winged angel makes me think of a dragonfly…


  82. jeff1 says:

    This quote from C. S. Lewis assures me that God is in control and I need to hear that more than anything today as ignorance of God is as widespread today as it was back when my mother was persecuted for being illegitimate.

    My dad taught me to trust God. My mum taught me not to trust human nature.

    A man can no more diminish God’s glory by refusing to worship Him than a lunatic can put out the sun by scribbling the word, ‘darkness’ on the walls of his cell.

    Some more C.S. Lewis quotes:

    Miracles do not, in fact, break the laws of nature.

    Everyone has noticed how hard it is to turn our thoughts to God when everything is going well with us…While what we call ‘our own life’ remains agreeable, we will not surrender to Him.

    What, then, can God do in our interests but make ‘our own life’ less agreeable to us, and take away the plausible sources of false happiness?

    God cannot give us happiness and peace apart from Himself, because it is not there. There is no such thing.

    Part of every misery is, so to speak the misery’s shadow of reflection: the fact that you don’t merely suffer but have to keep on thinking about the fact that you suffer. I not only live each endless day in grief, but live each day thinking about living each day in grief.

    No one ever told me that grief felt so like fear.

    Some people feel guilty about their anxieties and regard them as a defect of faith but they are afflictions, not sins. Like all afflictions, they are if we can so take them, our share in the passion of Christ.

    Can a mortal ask questions which God finds unanswerable? Quite easily, I should think. All nonsense questions are unanswerable.

  83. poohpity says:

    There seems to be many people who feel they are equal to God, not by what they say but how they try and control everyone and everything around them. One can never reach otherness when control is their priority. They try and control those who are weaker than them and call it love or think they know what is in the best interest of another but in essence it is just control wanting to be large and in charge not what God says is in the best interest of others but what they think is.

    Maybe “Otherness” can be seen and experienced as “Oneness”.

    On the last night before Jesus was crucified He did several things to teach His disciples, He prayed for them; “9 “My prayer is not for the world, but for those you have given me, because they belong to you. 10 All who are mine belong to you, and you have given them to me, so they bring me glory. 11 Now I am departing from the world; they are staying in this world, but I am coming to you. Holy Father, you have given me your name; now protect them by the power of your name so that they will be united just as we are……

    13 “Now I am coming to you. I told them many things while I was with them in this world so they would be filled with my joy. 14 I have given them your word. And the world hates them because they do not belong to the world, just as I do not belong to the world. 15 I’m not asking you to take them out of the world, but to keep them safe from the evil one. 16 They do not belong to this world any more than I do. 17 Make them holy by your truth; teach them your word, which is truth. 18 Just as you sent me into the world, I am sending them into the world. 19 And I give myself as a holy sacrifice for them so they can be made holy by your truth.

    20 “I am praying not only for these disciples but also for all who will ever believe in me through their message. 21 I pray that they will all be one, just as you and I are one—as you are in me, Father, and I am in you. And may they be in us so that the world will believe you sent me.”

    Then another thing He taught them was; “12 After washing their feet, he put on his robe again and sat down and asked, “Do you understand what I was doing? 13 You call me ‘Teacher’ and ‘Lord,’ and you are right, because that’s what I am. 14 And since I, your Lord and Teacher, have washed your feet, you ought to wash each other’s feet. 15 I have given you an example to follow. Do as I have done to you.” That is submission not control. One does not have to be the smartest, the best, the more spiritual than another, all those are are ways to feel superior to another but to take the humble role of a servant is to be an example of Christ.

  84. poohpity says:

    Jesus never bossed people around or tried to control them, He taught them, revealed the heart of God to them and lead by example. He laid down His Deity and became one of us all that power, all that knowledge to draw people to God “not to make them come to God” but presented someone that others wanted to be around because He showed them love, acceptance and belonging. No one was ever forced because if they did not come to Him willingly then it would be like any other dictator or power hungry person in the world.

  85. poohpity says:

    The religious people, not all of them, of His time were examples of being power hungry and controlling.

  86. jeff1 says:

    I believe the Roman Catholic church has tried to control it’s flock and now a younger generation is going to rebel against it because they see the damage caused by it.

    God doesn’t force people to believe in Him and I live with family and friends who do not share my beliefs but that doesn’t stop me believing that God will take care of them because it is who He is and not about them.

    Today I attend a church that baptises children outside wedlock. I see that couples from other denominations are coming to us to have their children baptised and having seen what it was like for my mum when the churches would not baptise her I believe our church is doing what is right in seeing the child as a right to feel it belongs rather than left out in the cold as my mum was.

    Personally speaking I believe children should be conceived in wedlock but that would never make me want to punish a child that isn’t by excluding it from worship when I believe that is what God would want.

    There is so much more to being a Christian then I ever could imagine that it is no wonder I often feel such a fraud.

  87. phpatato says:


    “”””If you will reread what was said then YOU ARE SAYING that no one should correct or arrest the Catholic Priests that are committing child molestation and child sexual assault because they are Priests.””””

    If YOU will reread what I said, you will see that I DID NOT once type the words Catholic Priest, OR committing child molestation, OR child sexual assault, NOR were there any references to them. Those were YOUR words and YOUR thoughts. Please stop putting your words or your thoughts into my mouth. Again your lack of reading comprehension has gotten you into trouble. I was NOT posting about the Catholic church’s disgusting cover-up of priests’ sexual abuse to children. I was NOT posting about priests who molest children. I WAS however posting on how haughty you are AND your ignorant discourteous reprimand to fellow bloggers as if preaching to them.

    Just for the record: I am no fan of the Catholic church, and I never have been. I am not a fan of the current Pope. As far as I am concerned he is being used by Satan to push the world into Satan’s agenda of a one world religion (“we all love and worship the same God”) as Satan is using Canada’s Prime Minister as a pawn to furthering his one world government. Now these are my thoughts and words, just so you know.

    Stop putting your ideas and your thoughts and your words into people’s mouths. Stop painting people with the same brush by lumping everyone together. It is always everyone against Pooh, to you. If you dislike all of us so much, why are you still here?????

    If you are still wanting to act the martyr, next time you post a rebuttal please, Read with the intention to understand what is being said first and not with the intention to post a quick comment that you have jumped to a conclusion about.

    You can’t talk your way out of problems you behave yourself into. (Stephen Covey)

  88. Beloved says:

    9 But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for his own possession, that you may proclaim the excellencies of him who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light. Viv the struggles are real enough but our reality is not grounded in this world but in Christ Jesus.

  89. street says:

    thinking of the angel with six wings. how his voice shook the temple while flying in the presents of God. thinking of paul speaking of the gift of prophecy.

    Pursue love, yet desire earnestly spiritual gifts, but especially that you may prophesy.1 Corinthians 14:1

    not happening apart from the presents of God. just thinking again.

    children, ambassadors, servants and slaves sons and daughters.

  90. street says:

    Could such freshness and renewal come with a holy smoke— that signal a new kind of fire and otherness?

    yes indeed mart, the holy smoke of a changed life!

  91. jeff1 says:

    Yes, Beloved, I need to focus on Jesus more and less on what is going on in the world.

    Thank you for keeping me on track as I do so struggle with the flesh.

    God is good all the time thank goodness.

  92. Beloved says:

    1 Corinthians 1:9 NIV
    9 God is faithful, who has called you into fellowship with his Son, Jesus Christ our Lord.

  93. jeff1 says:

    God be with you till we meet again;
    By His counsels guide, uphold you,
    With His sheep, securely fold you;
    God be with you till we meet again.

    Till we meet, till we meet,
    Till we meet at Jesus’ feet;
    Till we meet, till we meet,
    God be with you till we meet again.

    God be with you till we meet again;
    Neath His wings protecting hide you;
    Daily manna still provide you;
    God be with you till we meet again.

    Till we meet, till we meet,
    Till we meet at Jesus’ feet;
    Till we meet, till we meet,
    God be with you till we meet again.

    God be with you till we meet again;
    With the joy of oil anoint you;
    Sacred ministries appoint you;
    God be with you till we meet again.

    Till we meet, till we meet,
    Till we meet at Jesus’ feet;
    Till we meet, till we meet,
    God be with you till we meet again.

    God be with you till we meet again;
    When life’s perils thick confound you;
    Put His arms unfailing round you;
    God be with you till we meet again.

    Till we meet, till we meet,
    Till we meet at Jesus’ feet;
    Till we meet, till we meet,
    God be with you till we meet again.

    God be with you till we meet again;
    Ended when for you earth’s story,
    Israel’s chariot sweep to glory;
    God be with you till we meet again.

    Till we meet, till we meet,
    Till we meet at Jesus’ feet;
    Till we meet, till we meet,
    God be with you till we meet again.

  94. Beloved says:

    Viv if we didnt have struggles God would not be glorified in us. Count it all joy…James says. Because through them all we see Jesus who is preparing a better house for us!

  95. poohpity says:

    Forgive me Pat for thinking that you accused me of preaching when I shared what the bible says about believers doing things sexually to harm others because that was what the conversation was, right?. I welcome your opinions about whether I live what I preach as you said, “The best sermons are lived, not preached. Stop your preaching and start to live by what you preach(isn’t that controlling?). Get off your high horse before you fall hard to the ground. You are blinded by your own smoke.” Although I was not aware whether you actually know how I live my life but according to your words, you do!! You know me so well. I can not fall hard to the ground when that is where I live never putting myself on a pedestal or any other person for that matter but you know me so well, don’t you? Your accusations aren’t even blowing smoke because there is no substance to them but just hot air talking about things you know nothing about except from your own flawed perception. Here is one thing I learned from you :->~~~~~~~~ you taught me how to do raspberries on the blog.

    The reason I stay on here is because it is nice that there are those who still like to talk about the topics once in a while as I do.

  96. foreverblessed says:

    This is what I am learning on this blog:

    ” With God everything is possible”

    Just wait and see what God will do.

    That coincides with another task:
    Have my eyes fixed on Jesus while walking on water, not looking at the waves, nor the wind.

    God’s power is so much higher than anything on this earth.

    Mart started with:
    Who will you compare me with?!

  97. foreverblessed says:

    Now I would like to see a moderator, it is quite easy to show the subsequent comments, what is written and what not.

    As the daily journey wrote about last week:
    All in pure calmness, of the Holy Spirit working in us,
    And not ine our fleshly way.

  98. jeff1 says:

    It is not so much the struggles within, Beloved, (as that is common to man) but the struggles in the world and I know I need to focus on Jesus more but in truth my head with its mental instability finds that difficult as concentration and focus are part of mental illness.

    I can live with myself being unstable as my mum and brother where both the same way so it is common ground for me.

    I get angry because I see what the Catholic church has done not only to its own flock but in the world at large and it makes a mockery of what God is all about to my way of thinking.

    As my friend once told our politicians when they came looking for her vote that just because they had got into bed with Satan she would not do likewise.

    I must remember that taking God’s side in this world can be costly and I am living in a country where many men lost their lives for doing just that.

  99. poohpity says:

    There are many in the Catholic Church that do actually serve Christ in many ways and do many good works but just like any area of life there are those who give the church a bad name. But thankfully we are not to look to human beings but to Christ. If you have ever read the story of Mother Teresa she was just like any other missionary, imperfect, having had struggles of faith and other areas just as did most people written about in the bible, not one of them was perfect in any way. Being a Saint has to do with who one is in Christ.

    A Saint is one who falls down yet gets back up again, being brushed off by God and living to please Him not man. God knows our imperfections and does not expect us to be anything other than what and who we are because it is Him who works in us and through us. Phil 2:13

  100. poohpity says:

    Think about this for a moment; If you were the only one left alive to represent Christ would people want to know Jesus? Do you have a shinning light, are your behaviors loving, do you care for those in need other than family or friends who will love you back, how about your acceptance of people not like you, your patience with people, your kindness or gentleness, your ability not to get angry easily, your ability to forgive or show mercy or grace? If it were only YOU how would you do as an ambassador of Jesus?

  101. poohpity says:

    For those of us who know that I would fail miserably can understand then why we need the head of the body(God) and all it’s parts to make a whole. Each part has worth that is why you can not say to one part we do not need you.

    1 Cor 12: Yes, the body has many different parts, not just one part. 15 If the foot says, “I am not a part of the body because I am not a hand,” that does not make it any less a part of the body. 16 And if the ear says, “I am not part of the body because I am not an eye,” would that make it any less a part of the body? 17 If the whole body were an eye, how would you hear? Or if your whole body were an ear, how would you smell anything?

    18 But our bodies have many parts, and God has put each part just where he wants it. 19 How strange a body would be if it had only one part! 20 Yes, there are many parts, but only one body. 21 The eye can never say to the hand, “I don’t need you.” The head can’t say to the feet, “I don’t need you.”

  102. poohpity says:

    Maybe again think about what “Otherness” actually means in relationship, an intimate relationship with Christ, do you have one? Don’t look at anyone else just YOU.

  103. poohpity says:

    street, that may be the meaning of the picture Mart put on this topic; that alone the arm and hand could do nothing but be a piece of art.

  104. phpatato says:

    Pooh again, if you actually read to understand

    It was your: “street, let me remind you”

    It was your: “For you Beloved read Matt 23 all of it”

    And the kicker: “that is a good example of blowing smoke without having knowledge.”

    Haughty, ignorant and discourteous. Hashtag preaching style sucks while sitting high looking down.

    People here have a conversation with each other. You are the only one that talks.

    I’ll say nothing more to you on this because you just don’t understand.

  105. poohpity says:

    Thanks Pat for the feedback! Why only look at my reply without the initial comments that were made that does not give the full picture now does it? Why not look at the misunderstanding of scripture that lead to my reply but of course it had to be me that you find fault with again. Just admit it is because of your animus towards me and nothing else. Get over it, it only harms you. You think way to much about me, isn’t that called being obsessed. I am way sure there are better things to think about.

  106. poohpity says:

    Could it be you Pat that lacks understanding?

  107. poohpity says:

    Pat, let me remind you that street said we should say nothing about the pedophile priests because we all sin, do do not cast the first stone which I gave the reference of what the word teaches. Then beloved said that Jesus never shamed priests about wrong behavior so I gave her the chapter that He did in fact do so but it is me who is in the wrong as usual and me who does not understand???

  108. Beloved says:

    Hi Viv, hope your day has been good. I just wanted to say I have just as much moral outrage as the next I just don’t think it belongs here, but that’s my opinion. If anyone has a right to be angry with sinners it’s God, His wrath proves it. His Otherness justifies it. Alas, He is God and I ain’t. Take it to the cross, for only Jesus can and has made things right. Bless your heart you’ve had lots to overcome as have I and many here but Christ makes it possible and nothing else.

  109. Beloved says:

    Pat thanks for your costly defense, but I’ve learned it does no good to confront heresay, so I just ignore it here. Anyone can and does interpret what bloggers write along with scripture. Not always correctly though. We all read through our personal lenses. If someone doesn’t understand so be it. I will not argue scripture here as I’ve stated before, it’s only self serving, here.
    Blessings to my dear.

  110. street says:

    poo i never said i would give a sexually immoral priest a by. paul said to kick the sexually immoral out of the church. to me that means to turn them over to satan. God gave the government a sword not the church and we have failed to use the government for this purpose and presupposed God’s will. paul had no such problem. if you are not under Christ you are under law. the law is a terrible task master that leads to death. thinking of the israeli who did not want to hear His voice no more lest they die. they did die. the question is how many repented and found a Redeemer? many are called, few are chosen. only 2 walked into the promise land. it looks like an impossible task, but not…… with God. Otherness

  111. Beloved says:

    Sexual sin in the church. Grieve.
    Paul writes, “And you are arrogant! Should you not rather have mourned, so that he who has done this would have been removed from among you?” (1 Corinthians 5:2).

  112. phpatato says:

    Pooh Stop with your reminding people of things!!! Who gave you the authority to become the blog police? State your thoughts and leave it at that. Stop jumping all over other people who don’t measure up to your thought standards. Leave people alone and leave what they say alone. All you do is talk with your domineering attitude. You smother people and their thoughts. No one wants to hear your constant and unrelenting corrections. If that is what you want, then I will be more than happy to correct you in everything…grammar, sentence structure, you name it. Is that what you want? Give it a rest. PLEASE!!!

  113. street says:

    thank you beloved for your last post. ” Should you not rather have mourned, ” i did notice a bit of testiness even anger in the tone of my last post. i am so glad it is temporal! not so with the wrath of God.

    blessed are those who mourn, for they will be comforted.
    blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, they will be filled.

    keep going don’t stop eventually the edge will reflect the glory of God. think of God saying be “still” and know. thinking of a pool of water reflecting His face. undisturbed in Christ.

  114. jeff1 says:

    Beloved, Jesus has won us the victory but there are battles here and they are real and I have seen good men die so that I can live in a just society and I have seen mobs on the streets who have no desire for justice but their own evil desires which is to terrorise others into doing things their way.

    I wish it were not so but God needs warriors as much as He needs peace makers and history tells us that.

    God did not get it wrong when He warned us not to make this world our home as I see it, and that is the good news, that it is not our home.

    Beloved, when I sin I am angry with myself as I know I have let God down and I care enough to get angry. If I judge others it is because I judge myself and I believe it is right to do that because without self examination then I will not see the need to change.

    As I see it there is just anger and there is vengeful anger and I have felt both and know now how to distinguish when my anger is righteous or not.

    I understand what you are saying that it is not for this blog but I believe it is righteous anger I feel as the catholic church has to great a hold on this world and in my country in particular and it is not a healthy one to my way of thinking and I need to express it as it helps me to get it out of my system.

    Thank you for allowing me to vent and do that as sharing it makes me feel better.

    Pooh, its the doctrine of the Catholic church and not the people I find fault with. I knew a roman catholic who told me how when her friend committed suicide the church would not bury her and she was buried in a field and yet as she pointed out they buried the hunger strikers and give them a Christian burial.

    Also catholics told me how if you had money you could get your marriage annulled whereas if you were poor you could not.

    They make the rules to suit the church and what has that to do with God!

  115. Beloved says:

    Seems like reaching out as Mart says to be the better way, as we now have therapies, restrictions and specialized groups who deal with sexual abusers. Perhaps the church will take advantage of these now that the truth is coming out to the larger population. Ignorance is not limited to the secular population, which to me proves God’s presence throughout all peoples. He gives His blessings of wisdom knowledge mercy and justice to all liberally. Watching Holy Smoke rise from the earth is breathtaking and troubling at the same time. The Angels don’t sing HOLY HOLY HOLY for naught.

  116. Beloved says:

    Viv you have seen more than most here. Praying you can be released from the sting and pain of your memories.

  117. street says:

    pity the man who turns to man for help and not too God.
    as for his children….Pure and undefiled religion in the sight of our God and Father is this: to visit orphans and widows in their distress, and to keep oneself unstained by the world.

    Jesus did not withdraw. if you run into a sinner you have just run into an orphan. man was never meant to be an orphan, but even orphans can glorify God. jeff you are right we need daniel’s david’s job’s but most of all Jesus.

  118. poohpity says:

    Viv, I so agree. There are many things that have caused harm from religions and religious type people that are not in step with what Jesus taught or teaches. They say one thing but act like something entirely different and hold others to their religious standards which pushed them away from a relationship with the Lord and with others who actually do follow the Lord.

  119. poohpity says:

    Pat, are you that bossy and controlling all the time with the people around you? Regarding your 11:21am comment. If it had not been the manner in which you said something about the blowing smoke issue I would have agreed it was not the best way to approach the issue with street or Beloved of not saying anything about the behaviors of the priests, to them and for that I apologize.

  120. SFDBWV says:

    Proverbs 6:16-19 “These six things does the Lord hate: yea seven are an abomination unto Him.”
    “A proud look a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood.”
    “A heart that devises wicked Imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief.”
    “A false witness that speaks lies, and he that sows discord among brethren.”

    Pat, dear friend do not answer, and do not be drawn into a fool’s folly. It is a trap.

    You are loved and respected here, take the high ground and leave it there.

    Proverbs 9:23 “It is as sport to a fool to do mischief; but a man of understanding has wisdom.”

    The opposite of doing right is doing wrong, the only “otherness” to this is confusion, and confusion is a device of the devil.

    Bless you dear friend.


  121. poohpity says:

    Oh my gosh here we go again, pile on!! You people certainly come together when it comes to pointing out my faults, failures and shortcomings but not one ever teaches kindness, patience, gentleness and goodness towards the odd one out, the one who is different from you.

  122. Beloved says:

    Interestingly I’ve been thinking about what its like to be really different, and I felt sad even despondent for a moment until I remembered the unique hope we all have in knowing Jesus, loving Him and following Him. Even Jesus who could have called thousands of angels to rescue Him from mans hatred choose to follow His Father rather than seek revenge or pity. Follow Jesus=following God.

  123. Beloved says:

    Perhaps the testing of our faith is one of the many ways our Father purifies. Smoke again. Holy smoke.

  124. Beloved says:

    We always have a choice. Choose you this day whom you will serve. Sometimes the road is lonely, sometimes full but always good if we are Christs.

  125. phpatato says:

    Dearest Steve

    Thanks for your advice. That is exactly what I had planned on doing after I posted the last comment. Unlike her, I am painfully aware that everybody who frequents here is subjected to what is said and unlike her, I truly am sorry that I have caused unpleasantness but she just rubbed me the wrong way and it boiled out. I am saying no more to her about it even though I feel within that she is grinning from ear to ear.

    But I am thankful I eked out – just barely – an apology for Street and Beloved. They didn’t/don’t deserve to be crushed for posting. Nobody deserves to be stepped on and raked over the coals for simply posting a thought on any topic brought forward. It’s just plain wrong!

    Blessings back to you, my friend.


  126. poohpity says:

    Pat you eked out nothing, it was my choice and the Lord touching my heart not you, of course controlling people like to take credit for what the Lord does.

  127. jeff1 says:

    A quote from C.S. Lewis to remind us that we are not so unalike, so as I see it, the faults we see in others are also in ourselves whether we see them or not.

    We are all fallen creatures and all very hard to live with.

    Some further quotes:

    A proud man is always looking down on things and people; and, of course, as long as your looking down, you can’t see something that’s above you.

    You play the hand your dealt. I think the game’s worthwhile.

    If I discover within myself a desire which no experience in this world can satisfy, the most probable explanation is that I was made for another world.

    Christianity is a world that is a great sculptor’s shop. We are the statues and there is a rumour going around the shop that some of us are some day going to come to life.

    The next moment is as much beyond our grasp, and as much in God’s care, as that a hundred years away. Care for the next minute is as foolish as care for a day in the next thousand years. In neither can we do anything, in both God is doing everything.

    Let us pray that the human race never escapes from Earth to spread its iniquity elsewhere.

    (Pain) removes the veil; it plants the flag of truth within the fortress of a rebel soul.

    I think we all sin by needlessly disobeying the apostolic injunction to “rejoice” as much as by anything else.

    We treat our dogs as if they were ‘almost human’ that is why they really become ‘almost human’ in the end.

    Education without values, as useful as it is, seems rather to make man a more clever devil.

    If we consider the unblushing promises of reward and the staggering nature of the rewards promised in the Gospels, it would seem that Our Lord finds our desire not too strong, but to weak. We are half-hearted creatures, fooling about with drink and sex and ambition when infinite joy is offered us, we are like ignorant children who want to continue making mud pies in a slum because we cannot imagine what is meant by the offer of a vacation at the sea. We are far too easily pleased.

  128. foreverblessed says:

    Thank you very much Jeff, for those sayings!

    Especially the one command we Christians do not take at heart:

    Fil 4:4-7
    Rejoice in the Lord always.

    I will say it again: Rejoice!

    Let your gentlemess be evident to all.
    The Lord is near.

    Do not be anxious about anything, but in everything, by prayer and supplication, with Thanksgiving, present your requests to God.

    (And now the great promise, if we do that)
    And the peace of God, which transcends all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus.

  129. poohpity says:

    Viv, the very first one you listed has benefited me many times to think long and hard about my own behaviors before I say anything about someone else. Most of the time I have to use the delete button because I realize that I do, do what I am pointing out in someone else, it seems I just see it clearer when I am looking at them but hard to see it in me.(Matt 7:3; Luke 6:42; Romans 2:1)

    When I went to parenting classes they taught that often when we correct children we pay more attention to the negatives acts they do and never commend them on the positives ones which will reinforce which ever behavior we pay most attention to. So I said less about the negative and looked more at the positive, reinforcing those and it worked. I guess that is similar to the Golden rule, “treat others as you want to be treated”.

  130. poohpity says:

    There is a lot to learn about “Otherness”.

  131. jeff1 says:

    From my own experience when the storms of life seem to be against me I find it hard to rejoice and find I am a bit of a sulkier.

    The Christians I look up to are those like my dad who can take the rough with the smooth without becoming disheartened.

    And you are right Forever a person who does that finds peace without understanding all things, because I noted my dad was undisturbed in the midst of a crisis such was his faith in God’s presence.

    I falter because of lack of faith and in truth I have been repeating that all my days while my dad was mature all his.

    I long for that peace because I am tired of doubt and want to trust God without question which is to me what a true believer does.

    Lordy only believe, only believe
    All things are possible
    If you’ll only believe
    My Lordy, only believe, yes only believe
    All things are possible
    if you’ll only believe

    I met God one morning my soul feeling bad
    Heart heavy laden I felt fire doubt ahead
    Well He lifted all my burdens, yeah! right now I’m feeling glad
    All things are possible
    if you’ll only believe

  132. jeff1 says:

    Funny enough, Pooh, my sons told me I had a selective memory in that I only remember when they do something bad. I know that is true of me because my parents focused on my bad behaviour rather than when I was good and so I have copied my parents.

    Teacher’s also I found focused on when you did bad and so I think it was our culture as well.

    These days schools and parents are more likely to reward good behaviour which I think is a change for the better.

  133. jeff1 says:

    Funny enough, Pooh, my sons told me I had a selective memory in that I only remember when they do something bad. I know that is true of me because my parents focused on my bad behaviour rather than when I was good and so I have copied my parents.

    Teacher’s also I found focused on when you did bad and so I think it was our culture as well.

    These days schools and parents are more likely to reward good behaviour which I think is a change for the better.

    I think if parents and teachers are going to point out your bad points all the time then you get that you see yourself as someone who doesn’t have any good points and so why bother making an effort if others see you as badly behaved you might as well be so.

  134. poohpity says:

    I believe God will always provide someone to encourage us. If we listen closely to Him it may be the Holy Spirit or it could be He sends a person, that one person who will see our worth and encourage the best in us to grow and blossom. Never spend that much time listening to naysayers who look for the worst usually not only in you but in every area of life in general.

  135. jeff1 says:

    The words of this song say similar to what you believe, recorded by an Irish band called the Bachelors in 1964.

    I Believe

    I believe for every drop of rain that falls a flower grows
    I believe that somewhere in the darkest night a candle glows
    I believe for everyone who goes astray someone will come to show the way
    I believe, I believe

    I believe above the storm the smallest prayer will still be heard
    I believe that someone in the great somewhere hears every word
    Every time I hear a new born baby cry or touch a leaf or see the sky
    Then I know why I believe

    Every time I hear a new born baby cry or touch a leaf or see the sky
    Then I know why I believe

  136. street says:

    i believe because He lives.
    my hope, the Lamb of God Who takes away the sin of the world.
    given a new Spirit in Christ, heirs of Life.

  137. Beloved says:

    Father, help me to take my eyes off other people and open my eyes to see You, and to know and accept the path You have chosen for me, even if it leads through pain, loss, impairment and being ignored by others. Only let me know Your living presence with me–and that will be enough. Thomas A Kempis

  138. Beloved says:

    Reading Ezekiel46 tonight and came across holiness in verse 20. Wondering why the priests were not to transmit holiness to the people. (I didn’t know it could be). So i read some commentaries and the sacrifices they accepted and cooked for themselves was a prelude to the sacrifice of Christ: flour made into bread – Jesus the bread of life! Meat offerings- Jesus body and blood shed for us all! Sorry for my poorly done synopsis theres so much more. But the point of this is that without Jesus we would not be a chosen priesthood etc as Peter said 1 Peter 2:9 (ESV)
    9 But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for his own possession, that you may proclaim the excellencies of him who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light.

  139. Beloved says:

    Just thinking, neither can we transmit holiness to others, only Jesus can do that.

  140. Beloved says:

    (one commentary said passing holiness to the unclean is like casting pearls to swine!)

  141. poohpity says:

    Jesus was teaching about “Otherness” in the Be-Attitudes Matt 5-7 and pearls were often used as metaphor in the Jewish tradition as wisdom or truth because it’s worth was priceless. When He shared His truth and wisdom with those who were bent on evil they mostly tried to attack Him in some form or another either with words or with actions.(casting before swine or dogs) So His reproof was not taken as it was intended to show their need of a Savior, how to live a better way and as a means to combat pride and arrogance. Pearls of wisdom only benefit those who truly seek or search for wisdom and truth but for those who are wise in their own eyes the reactions are usually harsh with rejection and anger.

  142. poohpity says:

    Look throughout history of those who brought God’s word or a message from Him, most of them were treated horribly being hunted down, put in prison, beaten, called names, hated, rejected, etc.. People will reject God’s truth especially if it convicts them in any way, shape or form. Matt 7:6 NIV

  143. street says:

    Just thinking, neither can we transmit holiness to others, only Jesus can do that.

    you might want to re think that. just from the Gospel stand point faith comes by hearing. not that we saved anyone, but spoke the truth in love or out other intent as paul mentioned. thinking about the family spoken of in the New Testament where a believer and a non believer are married and having children. the grace of God is indeed great. we do not know how it will turn out like when abraham was told to go to a place he did not know, but are given many glimpses in Christ.
    thinking holiness is transferable as mentioned in the Old Testament in regard to touching. thinking of the woman who touch Jesus in the crowd that busy day. we are told incorruptible gifts await/reserved for us in heaven thinking faithfulness righteousness obedience holiness love peace. seems to me the presents of God is required. will He find Faith on the earth when he returns? thinking about how ruined we will be in his presents.

  144. Beloved says:

    Thank you street ive actually been thinking about it since i posted. Your argument makes sense. Children yes are holy through parents yet we all grow up, and some of us stray. I guess I was thinking more of personal responsibility. Im sure i need to keep thinking about this. I was just reading in Romans how there is a time coming when all Jews will be brought into Christ, i think as a nation? Holiness is baffling to me. Light reveals whats hidden in the darkness, HOLY HOLY HOLY woe woe woe is me. Christ righteousness imputed to sinners, amazing grace. Thank you Father, Son and HOLY Spirit!

  145. Beloved says:

    Thinking Gods sovereignty overrides personal responsibility? Paul was certainly chosen when he wasnt searching. Hmmm

  146. Beloved says:

    not that we saved anyone, but spoke the truth in love or out other intent as paul mentioned.

    Speaking the truth in love, oh what a difference that makes. Could holiness be pure love?

  147. Beloved says:

    Theres wrath too. Wrath purifies as does love I think.

  148. Beloved says:

    The wrath of God, not man. Vengeance is mine, says the LORD, I will repay.

  149. Beloved says:

    Could this be one reason we are asked to rely on the mystery of a Holy Spirit…

    Mystery it is.

  150. jeff1 says:

    Known Only To Him

    Known only to Him are the great hidden secrets
    I’ll fear not the darkness when my flame shall dim
    I know not what the future holds
    But I know who holds the future
    It’s a secret known only to Him

    In this world of fear and doubt
    On my knees I asked the question
    Why a lonely, heavy cross I must bear
    Then He tell me in my prayer
    It’s because I am trustworthy
    He gives me strength far more than my share

    Known only to Him are the great hidden secrets
    I’ll fear not the darkness when my flame shall dim
    I know not what the future holds
    But I know who holds the future
    It’s a secret known only to Him

  151. poohpity says:

    I heard a new song today and just thought you might like it too.

    “You Say” by Lauren Daigle

    I keep fighting voices in my mind that say I’m not enough
    Every single lie that tells me I will never measure up
    Am I more than just the sum of every high and every low?
    Remind me once again just who I am, because I need to know (ooh oh)

    You say I am loved when I can’t feel a thing
    You say I am strong when I think I am weak
    You say I am held when I am falling short
    When I don’t belong, oh You say that I am Yours
    And I believe (I), oh I believe (I)
    What You say of me (I)
    I believe

    The only thing that matters now is everything You think of me
    In You I find my worth, in You I find my identity, (ooh oh)

    You say I am loved when I can’t feel a thing
    You say I am strong when I think I am weak
    And You say I am held when I am falling short
    When I don’t belong, oh You say that I am Yours
    And I believe (I), oh I believe (I)
    What You say of me (I)
    Oh, I believe

    Taking all I have and now I’m laying it at Your feet
    You have every failure God, and You’ll have every victory, (ooh oh)

    You say I am loved when I can’t feel a thing
    You say I am strong when I think I am weak
    You say I am held when I am falling short
    When I don’t belong, oh You say that I am Yours
    And I believe (I), oh I believe (I)
    What You say of me (I)
    I believe

    Oh I believe (I), yes I believe (I)
    What You say of me (I)
    Oh I believe (oh)

  152. Beloved says:

    1 Peter 1:3-9 (NIV)
    Praise to God for a Living Hope
    3 Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 and into an inheritance that can never perish, spoil or fade. This inheritance is kept in heaven for you, 5 who through faith are shielded by God’s power until the coming of the salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time. 6 In all this you greatly rejoice, though now for a little while you may have had to suffer grief in all kinds of trials. 7 These have come so that the proven genuineness of your faith—of greater worth than gold, which perishes even though refined by fire—may result in praise, glory and honor when Jesus Christ is revealed. 8 Though you have not seen him, you love him; and even though you do not see him now, you believe in him and are filled with an inexpressible and glorious joy, 9 for you are receiving the end result of your faith, the salvation of your souls.

  153. jeff1 says:

    Amen.Amen, Amen.

  154. poohpity says:

    Jesus died to bring “Otherness” to all the children of God in unity. John 11: You don’t realize that it’s better for you that one man should die for the people than for the whole nation to be destroyed.” 51 He did not say this on his own; as high priest at that time he was led to prophesy that Jesus would die for the entire nation. 52 And not only for that nation, but to bring together and unite all the children of God scattered around the world.

    So when we harm each other we are harming our bothers/sisters who Jesus died to unite.

    Eph 4: Therefore I, a prisoner for serving the Lord, beg you to lead a life worthy of your calling, for you have been called by God. 2 Always be humble and gentle. Be patient with each other, making allowance for each other’s faults because of your love. 3 Make every effort to keep yourselves united in the Spirit, binding yourselves together with peace. 4 For there is one body and one Spirit, just as you have been called to one glorious hope for the future.

    There is one Lord, one faith, one baptism,
    one God and Father of all,
    who is over all, in all, and living through all.


  155. Beloved says:

    While other religious leaders of his day used their understanding of holiness as an excuse to not reach out to those who needed help, he gave everyone reasons to love him.

    Why do I love Him? Let me count the ways!

    He knows me intimately and still loves me. He revealed Gods love for me in a way I could understand. He blessed me with eternal life with God. He saved me from eternal fire and damnation, from being separated from Him forever. He feeds my soul with good things. He’s ever with me. He loves to be loved back. His love gives me confidence and assurance when I am anxious or afraid. He’s my Abba Father. He’s so trustworthy! I am His beloved, and He is mine. Just a few of the reasons why I love Him. Anybody else care to share why you Love Jesus?

  156. street says:

    So when we harm each other we are harming our bothers/sisters who Jesus died to unite.

    saul saul why do you persecute Me?

    8 “‘Who are you, Lord?’ I asked.

    “ ‘I am Jesus of Nazareth, whom you are persecuting,’ he replied.

  157. poohpity says:

    Jesus said, “19If you were of the world, it would love you as its own. Instead, the world hates you, because you are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. 20Remember the word that I spoke to you: ‘No servant is greater than his master.’’ If they persecuted Me, they will persecute you as well; if they kept My word, they will keep yours as well. 21But they will treat you like this on account of My name, because they do not know the One who sent Me.… John 15

    I love Jesus because He loved me.

  158. street says:

    a little yeast leavens the whole batch of dough?

    light cast out darkness.

    Jesus the Light of the world.

  159. jeff1 says:

    Why me Lord? What have I ever done
    To deserve even one of the pleasures I’ve known
    Tell me Lord what did I ever do to deserve loving You?
    And the kindness, You’ve shown

    Lord Heavenly Jesus, I’ve wasted it
    So help me Jesus, I know what I am
    Now that I know that I needed You so
    Help me Jesus, my souls in Your hands

    Try me Lord, if you think there’s a way
    I can ever repay, all I’ve taken from You
    Maybe Lord, I can show someone else
    What I’ve been through myself
    On my way back to You

    Lord Heavenly Jesus, I praise Him
    So help me Jesus, I know what I am, oh yes
    Now that know that I needed You so
    Help me Jesus, my souls in Your hands
    Jesus, my souls in Your hands

  160. Beloved says:

    Jesus the light of the world; and on this blog. Self deception is really darkness masquerading as something it is not. Wolves or tares, all can talk the talk, but their walk, upon close examination or even not so close is off, wrong and counter to Christian witness. Jesus said do not throw them out as that could cause problems for Christians. (The weaker ones I’m thinking, but thats just a guess). The sharp sword of the Word of God is precise. There are no compromises or evoking of the name of God for His love alone. Thats blasphemy. Harvest time is coming, perhaps sooner than we think? Just thinking.

  161. Beloved says:

    And that, ladies and gentlemen is my not so humble thinking. Arrogance sneaks up, once again. Ugh

  162. poohpity says:

    Beloved, I think the more important aspect of the Christian life is as the Lord directs us to look at our own lives and see if we are just talking the talk rather than evaluating whether others are or not! Because after all only God knows the secrets that lie within each of our hearts and only His judgements are true, just and right.

  163. Beloved says:

    Romans 16:19
    Everyone has heard about your obedience, so I rejoice over you. But I want you to be wise about what is good and innocent about what is evil.

  164. Beloved says:

    1 John 2:27
    And as for you, the anointing you received from Him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But just as His true and genuine anointing teaches you about all things, so remain in Him as you have been taught.

    Just a couple reminders to self.

  165. street says:

    good posts/ thoughts to think about and work through with His help.

    Jesus said,”My sheep hear My voice and they follow Me. They will not follow another.”

    another verse is very deep and needs to be grasped,
    Romans 14:4
    Who are you to judge the servant of another? To his own master he stands or falls; and he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand.

    i salute you mart for your dependence and trust in God.

  166. jeff1 says:

    O to be like Thee! blessed Redeemer;
    This is my constant longing and prayer;
    Gladly I’ll forfeit all of earth’s treasures,
    Jesus, Thy perfect likeness to wear.

    O to be like Thee! O to be like Thee!
    Blessed Redeemer, pure as Thou art;
    Come in Thy sweetness, come in Thy fullness;
    Stamp Thine own image deep on my heart.

    O to be like Thee! full of compassion,
    Loving, forgiving, tender and kind,
    Helping the helpless, cheering the fainting,
    Seeking the wandering sinners to find.

    O to be like Thee! lowly in spirit,
    Holy and harmless, patient and brave;
    Meekly enduring cruel reproaches,
    Willing to suffer, others to save.

    O to be like Thee! Lord, I am coming,
    Now to receive th’ anointing divine;
    All that I am and have I am bringing;
    Lord, from this moment all shall be Thine.

    O to be like Thee while I am pleading
    Pour out Thy Spirit, fill with Thy love.
    Make me a temple meet for Thy dwelling,
    Fit for a life which Thou wouldst approve.

  167. Beloved says:

    22 To the weak I became weak, that I might win the weak. I have become all things to all people, that by all means I might save some. 23 I do it all for the sake of the gospel, that I may share with them in its blessings.

    25 Every athlete exercises self-control in all things. They do it to receive a perishable wreath, but we an imperishable. 26 So I do not run aimlessly; I do not box as one beating the air.

    27 But I discipline my body and keep it under control,2 lest after preaching to others I myself should be disqualified.

  168. Beloved says:

    Definitely working on self- discipline. Any one else want to take a run at me? Seems the LORDS quiet way of rebuke needed a boost???

  169. Beloved says:

    God is good even when reaping. Sowing to the flesh always ends badly, thank you LORD for your mercy.

  170. street says:

    i wonder if sharing the Gospel is just as much as abiding in Christ. Christ with contentment is great gain.

  171. street says:

    don’t think you could escape the Lords hand even if you tried. thinking of jonah. it is thrilling to think a sinner can be saved. certainly a peculiar people.

    It is the glory of God to conceal a matter;
    to search out a matter is the glory of kings.
    As the heavens are high and the earth is deep,
    so the hearts of kings are unsearchable.

    “Glory to God in the highest heaven, and on earth peace to those on whom his favor rests.”

  172. poohpity says:

    If a person is excited about something usually they share it with others, that is so true about the Gospel. Usually one wants to share what they experienced by the forgiveness, mercy, grace and love the Lord had bestowed on them. They want to tell people, sing about it and share it because they want others to experience Him too.

  173. poohpity says:

    Another good example of otherness;

    Luke 18: 9 Then Jesus told this story to some who had great confidence in their own righteousness and scorned everyone else: 10 “Two men went to the Temple to pray. One was a Pharisee, and the other was a despised tax collector. 11 The Pharisee stood by himself and prayed this prayer : ‘I thank you, God, that I am not a sinner like everyone else. For I don’t cheat, I don’t sin, and I don’t commit adultery. I’m certainly not like that tax collector! 12 I fast twice a week, and I give you a tenth of my income.’ 13 “But the tax collector stood at a distance and dared not even lift his eyes to heaven as he prayed. Instead, he beat his chest in sorrow, saying, ‘O God, be merciful to me, for I am a sinner.’ 14 I tell you, this sinner, not the Pharisee, returned home justified before God. For those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.”

  174. Beloved says:

    just what I needed to hear today, thank you Jesus.

    Do not lament the struggle between the flesh and Spirit. It is a sign of the presence of the Spirit. Let the Spirit fight his fight. Joshua Nickel

  175. Beloved says:


  176. jeff1 says:

    I like these quotes from C. S. Lewis:

    “The Christian does not think God will love us because we are good, but that God will make us good because He loves us.”

    “We are not necessarily doubting that God will do the best for us; we are wondering how painful the best will turn out to be.”

    “There are far, far better things ahead than any we leave behind.”

    “Love is not an affectionate feeling, but a steady wish for the loved person’s ultimate good as far as it can be obtained.”

    “Pain insists on being attended to. God whispers to us in our pleasures, speaks in our consciences, but shouts in our pains. It is His megaphone to rouse a deaf world.”

  177. foreverblessed says:

    Thank you Jeff, I really like the writing of Lewis.
    And Joyce, that dating, that when the struggle is tense between the flesh and the Spirit, it is a sure sign that you are on the narrow Road.

    We were out camping, it was lovely weather!
    A beautiful campsite, in the national park.
    It is not the Rocky Mountains, with brooks, and waterfalls, and all sorts of mountains.
    But it is in nature, woods, open fields,
    And when camping, you feel humble, just a sheet between you and the outside.
    A big home may give a sense of secundair, while our only sure security is in the shield of Jesus Christ.
    1 John 5:4-5

  178. foreverblessed says:

    Who through faith are shielded by God’s power…
    1 Peter 1:5

    The topic is Otherness,
    God who is Holy, Holy, Holy

    1 Peter 1:13-24
    Be Holy

    13 Therefore, with minds that are alert and fully sober, set your hope on the grace to be brought to you when Jesus Christ is revealed at his coming. 14 As obedient children, do not conform to the evil desires you had when you lived in ignorance. 15 But just as he who called you is holy, so be holy in all you do; 16 for it is written: “Be holy, because I am holy.”[a]

    17 Since you call on a Father who judges each person’s work impartially, live out your time as foreigners here in reverent fear. 18 For you know that it was not with perishable things such as silver or gold that you were redeemed from the empty way of life handed down to you from your ancestors, 19 but with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or defect. 20 He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake. 21 Through him you believe in God, who raised him from the dead and glorified him, and so your faith and hope are in God.

    22 Now that you have purified yourselves by obeying the truth so that you have sincere love for each other, love one another deeply, from the heart.[b] 23 For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God. 24 For,

    “All people are like grass,
    and all their glory is like the flowers of the field;
    the grass withers and the flowers fall,
    but the word of the Lord endures forever.”[c]

    And this is the word that was preached to you.

  179. foreverblessed says:

    Just to say: maybe somebody else had already posted these bible verses, then I missed that.

  180. foreverblessed says:

    Ouch, that auto-correct:
    2.45 am
    Dating= saying
    That saying of: do not lament the struggle between flesh and Spirit
    Secundair= security
    Our security is in Christ Jesus, through faith.

  181. poohpity says:

    Ever wonder what “do not conform to the evil desires you had when you lived in ignorance” means? What are the patterns of this world that we so easily adhere to while neglecting what we are taught by the Lord? Are we ignorant or informed?

  182. jeff1 says:

    I would have to say that my belief in God never stops me having evils desires but my desire to be like Jesus stops me acting out on those desires.

    My anger towards others diminishes when I ask God to take the burden from me and leave it in His hands and I then get relief from my own sin and it stops me sinning against others.

    In time I see that God’s way is right and so my desire to submit to God’s way becomes easier to me.

    The more I submit to God the more He reveals to me which consequently brings me closer to His ways and more alien to the worlds.

  183. Beloved says:

    Forever I’m getting pretty good at decifering autocorrect, lol! I was just singing HOLY HOLY HOLY before I opened my kindle. Those verses are so good and encouraging! Sounds like a good trip you had, I too love the forests as I live among Jack Pines and other conifers here. Just this morning I saw a rather large rabbit outside my window darting among the trees nibbling on the tall grasses. God entertains daily with His creation. I find it soothing when my soul is struggling against sin. God is soooo good! Like a balm in Gilead, my soul is refreshed in thee! And in you, dear Forever!

  184. poohpity says:

    Viv, I can see the Lord working in your life. :-)

  185. Beloved says:

    From Martin Luther’s book on Galatians:

    “Christians are divided into two times. If you see nothing but the sinful nature, you will always remain in the time of the law. But these times must be limited or no one would be saved. The law is not perpetual; its end is Jesus Christ. He is eternal (Romans 6:9), and therefore the time of grace is also eternal.

  186. jeff1 says:

    I am thankful to hear that Beloved as I am tore between the sins of the flesh and the desires of my heart.

    I was sinking deep in sin,
    Far from the peaceful shore,
    Very deeply stained within,
    Sinking to rise no more;
    But the Master of the sea
    Heard my despairing cry,
    From the waters lifted me,
    Now safe am I.

    Love lifted me!
    Love lifted me!
    When nothing else could help,
    Love lifted me.
    Love lifted me!
    Love lifted me!
    When nothing else could help,
    Love lifted me.

    All my heart to Him I give,
    Ever to Him I’ll cling,
    In His blessed presence live,
    Ever His praises sing.
    Love so mighty and so true
    Merits my souls best songs;
    Faithful, loving service, too,
    To Him belongs.

    Souls in danger, look above,
    Jesus completely saves;
    He will lift you by His love
    Out of the angry waves.
    He’s the Master of the sea,
    Billows His will obey;
    He your Saviour wants to be –
    Be saved today.

  187. Beloved says:

    If the desires of our heart are Godly desires we can be sure that as scripture says– He who began the good work in you will bring it to completion. You are so right Viv, Jesus is the beginning and the end!

  188. jeff1 says:

    This is our Post Communion Prayer from Sunday’s service.

    Lord God, the source of truth and love: Keep us faithful to the apostles teaching and fellowship, united in prayer and the breaking of bread, and one in joy and simplicity of heart, in Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen.

  189. foreverblessed says:

    Jeff, thank you for that prayer!

    When I was sleeping in the tent, I was thinking about the false sense of security we have when we sleep in our houses of stone.

    Our security is in Christ Jesus.
    Today I came across this devotion of God calling, of August 4

  190. foreverblessed says:

    August 4 – Eternal Life

    Oh Jesus, we love Thee so and long to serve Thee.

    My children, you are both to do mighty things for Me. Glories and wonders unfold. Life is one glorious whole.

    Draw into your beings more and more this wonderful Eternal Life. It is the flow of the Life Eternal through spirit, mind, and body, that cleanses, heals, restores, renews youth, and passes on from you to others, with the same miracle-working power.

    “And this is Life Eternal that they may know thee. . . and Jesus Christ, whom Thou has sent.” So seek by constant contact to know Me more and more.

    Make Me the one abiding Presence of your day of which you are conscious all the time. Seek to do less and to accomplish more, to achieve more. Doing is action. Achievement is successful action.

    Remember that Eternal Life is the only lasting life, so that all that is done without being done in the Power of My Spirit, My Life, is passing. All done in that Spirit-Life is undying.

    “I give unto to them eternal life, and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of My hand.” So Eternal Life means security too, safety. Dwell increasingly in the consciousness of that security, that safety.

    He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath
    not the Son of God hath not life. 1 John 5:12

    From: God calling, August 4

  191. foreverblessed says:

    Steve, how are you doing? Praying for you, and Glenna, and Matt!

  192. street says:


    Isaiah 40:25
    “To whom will you compare me? Or who is my equal?” says the Holy One.

    thinking otherness here and the trap of making an image of God and the deadly consequences.

    God is Spirit His Word is Spirit.

    man, made in HIS Image.

    3 The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being,


    self vs selfless

    worshipers in Spirit and Truth

    the pharisees compared otherness to satan. the most catastrophic act of all time. even so some repented and found grace and mercy.

  193. Beloved says:

    Will we ever be able to understand an “otherness” that is not only infinitely “beyond us”—but intimately “with us”?

    Ephesians 1:9-14 (NLT)

  194. street says:

    we will see Him as He is.

    who alone is immortal and who lives in unapproachable light, whom no one has seen or can see. To him be honor and might forever. Amen.

    Romans 15:21
    Rather, as it is written: “Those who were not told about him will see, and those who have not heard will understand.”

    1 John 2:8
    Yet I am writing you a new command; its truth is seen in him and in you, because the darkness is passing and the true light is already shining.

    1 John 3:2
    Dear friends, now we are children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known. But we know that when Christ appears, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is.

  195. street says:

    not only infinitely “beyond us”—but intimately “with us”?

    ‘Heaven is My throne,
    And earth is the footstool of My feet;
    What kind of house will you build for Me?’ says the Lord,
    ‘Or what place is there for My repose?

    Isaiah 33:5
    The Lord is exalted, for He dwells on high; He has filled Zion with justice and righteousness.

    Isaiah 57:15
    For thus says the high and exalted One Who lives forever, whose name is Holy, “I dwell on a high and holy place, And also with the contrite and lowly of spirit In order to revive the spirit of the lowly And to revive the heart of the contrite.

  196. street says:

    7 Dear friends, I am not writing you a new command but an old one, which you have had since the beginning. This old command is the message you have heard. 8 Yet I am writing you a new command; its truth is seen in him and in you, because the darkness is passing and the true light is already shining.

  197. poohpity says:

    How can anyone understand the “otherness” of God without reliance on Him? Can one understand what the Holy Spirit does unless they have walked away from doing things “my way” to a dependence and trust in the Lord who is the source of everything spiritual in our lives.(Romans 12:1 NLT)

  198. poohpity says:

    When we have “otherness” Jesus said, ” 24 I tell you, you can pray for anything, and if you believe that you’ve received it, it will be yours. 25 But when you are praying, first forgive anyone you are holding a grudge against, so that your Father in heaven will forgive your sins, too. ” Mark 11

  199. Beloved says:

    Good day friends! This is kind of long but it speaks to Marts point.
    John Piper

    The Goal of Christ’s Love

    “Father, I desire that they also, whom you have given me, may be with me where I am, to see my glory.” (John 17:24)

    Believers in Jesus are precious to God (we’re his bride!). And he loves us so much that he will not allow our preciousness to become our god.

    God does indeed make much of us (adoption!), but he does so in a way that draws us out of ourselves to enjoy his greatness.

    Test yourself. If Jesus came to spend the day with you, sat down beside you on the couch, and said, “I really love you,” what would you focus on the rest of the day that you spend together?

    It seems to me that too many songs and sermons leave us with the wrong answer. They leave the impression that the heights of our joy would be in the recurrent feeling of being loved. “He loves me!” “He loves me!” This is joy indeed. But not the heights and not the focus.

    What are we saying with the words “I am loved”? What do we mean? What is this “being loved”?

    Would not the greatest, most Christ-exalting joy be found in watching Jesus all day and bursting with, “You’re amazing!” “You are amazing!”

    He answers the hardest question, and his wisdom is amazing.
    He touches a filthy, oozing sore, and his compassion is amazing.
    He raises a dead lady at the medical examiner’s office, and his power is amazing.
    He predicts the afternoon’s events, and his foreknowledge is amazing.
    He sleeps during an earthquake, and his fearlessness is amazing.
    He says, “Before Abraham was, I AM,” and his words are amazing.
    We walk around with him utterly amazed at what we are seeing.

    Is not his love for us his eagerness to do for us all he must do (including die for us) so that we can marvel at him and not be incinerated by him? Redemption, propitiation, forgiveness, justification, reconciliation — all these have to happen. They are the act of love.

    But the goal of love that makes those acts loving is that we be with him and see his jaw-dropping glory and be astounded. In those moments we forget ourselves and see and feel him.

    So I am urging pastors and teachers: Push people through the acts of Christ’s love to the goal of his love. If redemption and propitiation and forgiveness and justification and reconciliation are not taking us to the enjoyment of Jesus himself, they are not love.

    Press on this. It’s what Jesus prayed for.

  200. Beloved says:

    Dear Mart,
    I must tell you that God answered a prayer I prayed just this morning through your grandfather (I believe), M R Dehaan’s sermon on Grace on YouTube. It nearly brought me to tears! I am so hard on myself and fearful of failing I get paralysed but hearing of the grace toward Paul in his disobedience was overwhelming! I’d never seen this in scripture but there it was! Oh God is so good and you are a grandson of whom he would be very proud! please keep up the blog there is so much you can teach us. Thank you and may God continue to bless this ministry. Joyce

  201. jeff1 says:

    I Know Who Holds Tomorrow

    I don’t know about tomorrow
    I just live for day to day
    I don’t borrow from the sunshine
    For its skies may turn to grey

    I don’t worry o’er the future
    For I know what Jesus said
    And today I’ll walk beside Him
    For He knows what lies ahead

    Many things about tomorrow
    I don’t seem to understand
    But I know who holds tomorrow
    And I know who holds my hand

    Ev’ry step is getting brighter
    As the golden stairs I climb
    Ev’ry burden’s getting lighter
    Ev’ry cloud is silver lined

    There the sun is always shining
    There no tear will dim the eye
    At the ending of the rainbow
    Where the mountains touch the sky

    Many things about tomorrow
    I don’t seem to understand
    But I know who holds tomorrow
    And I know who holds my hand

  202. bubbles says:

    Signed for a different job beginning next year. Thanking God for this provision.

  203. foreverblessed says:

    Thank God! That is great Bubbles, thanks for telling!

    When I was studying Psalms, I found something:
    The song of Mary, presented as a Psalm, poetry like the Psalms.

    The words have in them:
    That God is Holy
    And that His arm can do mighty things.

    The two things that are also in this topic,
    Mart writing Holy Holy Holy is God
    And the picture of the arm

    Luke 1:46-55
    For the Mighty One has done great things for me-
    Holy is His Name
    His mercy extends to those who fear Him, from generation to generation.
    He has performed mighty deeds with His arm
    He has scattered those who are proud in their inmost thoughts

    Yesterday I could not post, ” sorry, something went wrong” was the message I got.
    I hope and pray everything is well with Steve!

  204. Mart DeHaan says:

    Joyce, thank you for passing that along. Like ourselves, my grandfather grew in his reliance on the grace of God through so much brokenness.

  205. jeff1 says:

    I watched a programme on a long running soap and its cast members being DNA tested en masse, in the hope of uncovering their amazing ancestral stories.

    One member of the cast who believed he was English discovered that instead of being part Irish he was 99% Irish.

    I remember touching on this subject and discovering that a leading Irish Republican had an English surname and it made me wonder if he were to discover that he had a high percentage of British DNA would it make him less anti British and more accepting that if history can divide us can science with its revelations that we are not so different in our humanness unite us.

    It was interesting and surprising to see from the programme that the English cast where only 38% truly British as their genealogy varied so much.

    If our patriotism can create hate and division then the question is can discovering that our genealogy is not as we might think bring hope and unity in the future as we see that others in other parts of the world are not so different.

    God works in mysterious ways.

  206. poohpity says:

    Wow bubbles I pray your new job brings peace to your life.

  207. Beloved says:

    Great news bubbles! God bless you now and always.

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