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Blowin’ in the Wind

Jerusalem Ben Yehuda Street

In the early 1960s, Bob Dylan got into the heads and hearts of his generation with a series of thoughtful questions… and conclusion that “the answer my friend is blowin’ in the wind…”

Maybe he was saying more than he realized…

Jesus promised answers that would come with the wind…

But before going there, and in light of our last post and the conversation that followed…

Knowing our history, I’m quite sure that, with a few questions to clarify the issues, and by double-checking our sources, most of us would be relieved to agree that when Jesus signed a New Covenant in his own blood— he allowed the covenant of Moses to expire (making it obsolete) (Hebrews 8:13).

I think we’d also agree that the Son did this to release us from the condemnation of broken laws, to bind us to himself, to bring us to his Father, and to free us in a Spirit of love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control of his Spirit (Galatians 5:22-26).

The result was a new day—and a new way.

So let’s keep moving. I’m intrigued with what Jesus meant when he said that, in his physical absence, he was going to send his Spirit for at least three reasons:

The first had to do with a new way to understand our sin, the second a new way to fulfill the spirit of the Law, and a third to help us understand how the one who led us into all malice and mayhem has been defeated. (John 16:5-11)

Am probably missing a lot. But here’s my take. Seems like our Teacher was telling us that he would send his Spirit to help us realize that (1) the world’s biggest and most costly mistake now is not one of the countless moral issues we could make an issue of— but rather not believing in and trusting him; (2) that in his absence the Spirit would now lead us in the ways of his love, joy peace, patience…; and (3) that in his suffering and death Jesus exposed the original lie of an Enemy who didn’t want us to believe that our Creator only wants the best for us.

Does any of this resonate with you? Anything that doesn’t?

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452 Responses to “Blowin’ in the Wind”

  1. foreverblessed says:

    Yes, all of it resonates with me.
    Fall of man-
    In My utmost was a series on the fall of man:
    When I read it, it was clear to me.
    Now I have to give it my own words:
    Like Mart said,
    “(1) the world’s biggest and most costly mistake now is not one of the countless moral issues we could make an issue of— but rather not believing in and trusting him”

    The big problem is our self-life:

    we want to judge for ourselves, we want to choose for ourselves, whether it is something morally good or morally bad, it originates with us, we want to be independent of a God.
    So yes, we do (did) not trust Him.

    and what was the fall: we lost the connection to God directly. We were now on our own, and when we are on our own, we are left to the schemes of the devil. There is no place else:
    either with God, and within His protection,
    or without God, and the protection is gone.

    But God had it all arranged before any temptation happened:
    Jesus, the One who made everything, the Cause of all matter, became matter, His blood was the Life, the ransom the buy us freedom from the evil who had us in his bondage.
    Col 1:12-12, 2:13

  2. jeff1 says:

    BIND US TOGETHER, Lord, Bind us together
    With cords that cannot be broken.
    Bind us together, Lord,
    Bind us together,
    Bind us together with love.

    There is only one God,
    There is only one King;
    There is only one Body,
    That is why we sing:

    Made for the glory of God,
    Purchased by His precious Son;
    Born with the right to be clean,
    For Jesus the victory has won.

    You are the family of God,
    You are the promise divine;
    You are God’s chosen desire,
    You are the glorious new wine.

  3. foreverblessed says:

    You are the Living Bread
    You are the Gate
    You are the Shephers, who leads me
    You are the water that renews me

    Glory be to God!

    Jeff, for a person who does not read the bible, you know the essence of it very well! Sometimes I think, oh, how long it took for me to have this primary thing of the bible known to my heart!
    But then, again, Paul was a very ambitious law abider, and the greate the ambition, the greater the turn to the real essence of b eing a christian:
    Christ in you, the hope of Glory.

    (It is raining today, the first real rain since a long time, it has been such a dry summer, and fall too, I was doing paintwork outside, but that is now impossible. Just a little rain, very tiny drops, good to fall on dry ground, and make it moist before the real rain comes in, so I drop in here and have a look, and wirte a little more, like soft rain, I pray)

  4. foreverblessed says:

    typos, Shepherd (Shephers), write (wirte)

  5. poohpity says:

    When Nicodemus, who was an avid teacher and follower of the Mosaic law, pulled up a rock and sat with Jesus then was explain about the blowing of the wind referring to being Born again by the Spirit not by the flesh. The flesh meaning the only way he was following the Mosaic law which when he broke any of those laws led to death. Jesus taught him about the NEW way.

    John 3: There was a man named Nicodemus, a Jewish religious leader who was a Pharisee. 2 After dark one evening, he came to speak with Jesus. “Rabbi,” he said, “we all know that God has sent you to teach us. Your miraculous signs are evidence that God is with you.”

    3 Jesus replied, “I tell you the truth, unless you are born again, you cannot see the Kingdom of God.”

    4 “What do you mean?” exclaimed Nicodemus. “How can an old man go back into his mother’s womb and be born again?”

    5 Jesus replied, “I assure you, no one can enter the Kingdom of God without being born of water and the Spirit. 6 Humans can reproduce only human life, but the Holy Spirit gives birth to spiritual life. 7 So don’t be surprised when I say, ‘You must be born again.’ 8 The ‘wind blows’ wherever it wants. Just as you can hear the wind but can’t tell where it comes from or where it is going, so you can’t explain how people are born of the Spirit.”

    9 “How are these things possible?” Nicodemus asked.

    10 Jesus replied, “You are a respected Jewish teacher, and yet you don’t understand these things? 11 I assure you, we tell you what we know and have seen, and yet you won’t believe our testimony. 12 But if you don’t believe me when I tell you about earthly things, how can you possibly believe if I tell you about heavenly things? 13 No one has ever gone to heaven and returned. But the Son of Man has come down from heaven. 14 And as Moses lifted up the bronze snake on a pole in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up, 15 so that everyone who believes in him will have eternal life.

  6. poohpity says:

    Following the 10 commandments or any of the other commandments which again there were 613 of them which none of them could guaranteed eternal life or a relationship with God. The reason for that was no human could follow them without breaking even in the smallest part of that Mosaic law that was entirely impossible which lead to guilt, shame, condemnation, judgement and most importantly alienation from God.

    1 Peter 1: All praise to God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. It is by his great mercy that we have been born again, because God raised Jesus Christ from the dead. Now we live with great expectation, 4 and we have a priceless inheritance—an inheritance that is kept in heaven for you, pure and undefiled, beyond the reach of change and decay. 5 And through your faith, God is protecting you by his power until you receive this salvation, which is ready to be revealed on the last day for all to see.

    6 So be truly glad. There is wonderful joy ahead, even though you must endure many trials for a little while. 7 These trials will show that your faith is genuine. It is being tested as fire tests and purifies gold—though your faith is far more precious than mere gold. So when your faith remains strong through many trials, it will bring you much praise and glory and honor on the day when Jesus Christ is revealed to the whole world.

  7. SFDBWV says:

    “In the beginning”; the Hebrew language refers to God in Genesis in the singular, the double and then more than 2 (3). From the very beginning we have God in the Triune Being we have come to understand as God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit.

    Do any of you believe that a Being of such magnitude, as to bring into existence everything known and unknown to us, as being “fallible”?

    Do any of you believe that God created man and did not know that man would fail to obey the “law” that simply required him to not eat from the tree of good and evil?

    Do any of you believe that God possesses the lesser of “human” characteristics?

    Allow me to walk through a process of sorting out the concept of any step or stage of the story of the Bible being obsolete or no longer of value or use.

    God created the heavens, the earth all animals, and man and said it was good.

    Is the creation process now obsolete? He does create man anew through a new spiritual birth, but is it also physical? We are resurrected in new bodies, does that count as coming under actual creation?

    And of course in Revelation God creates a new heaven and a new earth.

    So I guess the creation process is not actually obsolete, just on hold for use at another time.

    In the garden God planted two special trees one whose fruit was forbidden to be eaten because in doing so man’s mind would be open to understanding both good and evil.

    So here again at the beginning we already have evil having been created along with everything else.

    For a reason, God knew the difference between good and evil, but did not want man to.

    Or did He already know that man would not be able to resist temptation and fail?

    And the other tree, the tree of life from which its fruit would give eternal life.

    God had not forbid Adam to eat from it, so why hadn’t he ate of it already?

    Was it a quirk of circumstance that Eve first was tempted to eat from the forbidden fruit before she and or Adam had not yet already taken in eternal life?

    There are two ways of writing a story, one way is like a biography where events are recorded as they happen, the other places events in a preset templet or plan of sequence as to produce the “end results”.

    You can either read the events of Scripture as a biography or as a planned novel with a beginning story line and finish.

    What do you believe?

    God made promises to Abraham, Isaak and Jacob.

    Part of these promises are the establishment of the Hebrew people. Laced all throughout the OT the future events of all of mankind are assembled around these people.

    I am going to have to stop here and pick it up tomorrow, but it may be that some of you may see where I am going with this in trying to sort out my understanding or accepting a full abolishment of a promise or agreement given from God, or even if there is such a thing as an out dated contract from God.


  8. Beloved says:

    Definitely Mart. Like the blind man Jesus healed in two parts it has taken me a long time to unpack so to speak all that Jesus has done for me, in and through. Being raised under the law there was never any consolation, because the Law was too strict. But under grace Jesus has become my consolation! And not only that but He walks with me and He talks with me! Amazing! Bless God now and forevermore!

  9. Beloved says:

    Mark 8:23-25 King James Version (KJV)
    23 And he took the blind man by the hand, and led him out of the town; and when he had spit on his eyes, and put his hands upon him, he asked him if he saw ought.

    24 And he looked up, and said, I see men as trees, walking.

    25 After that he put his hands again upon his eyes, and made him look up: and he was restored, and saw every man clearly.

    Thinking Steve it’s not either or, or both and, but Christ who completed His work began at creation. Nothing in scripture is moot. It all culminates in the triumphing of Christ over death hell and satan, as Revelation teaches. We are part of a continuum, a grand story of being the people of God!

  10. poohpity says:

    In the backstory of the Mosaic law we can learn through that law the very character of God. He took great care to show us how to love Him, ourselves and others through that law that seems to be the very reason why Jesus took all of them and summed them up into 2. Love God first and foremost then love your neighbor as yourself none of which is possible without His help through the gift of the Holy Spirit.

    Steve, no one said that the whole OT was obsolete but the Mosaic law that was given from Mt Sinai as a guardian until Christ came is obsolete. If you had just taken the time to listen to what Andy Stanley actually said you may have come away with a different message other than thinking he said the whole OT was obsolete.

    Gal 3: Oh, foolish Galatians! Who has cast an evil spell on you? For the meaning of Jesus Christ’s death was made as clear to you as if you had seen a picture of his death on the cross. 2 Let me ask you this one question: Did you receive the Holy Spirit by obeying the law of Moses? Of course not! You received the Spirit because you believed the message you heard about Christ. 3 How foolish can you be? After starting your new lives in the Spirit, why are you now trying to become perfect by your own human effort? 4 Have you experienced so much for nothing? Surely it was not in vain, was it?

    5 I ask you again, does God give you the Holy Spirit and work miracles among you because you obey the law? Of course not! It is because you believe the message you heard about Christ……

    10 But those who depend on the law to make them right with God are under his curse, for the Scriptures say, “Cursed is everyone who does not observe and obey all the commands that are written in God’s Book of the Law.” 11 So it is clear that no one can be made right with God by trying to keep the law. For the Scriptures say, “It is through faith that a righteous person has life.” 12 This way of faith is very different from the way of law, which says, “It is through obeying the law that a person has life.”…….

    24 Let me put it another way. The law was our guardian until Christ came; it protected us until we could be made right with God through faith. 25 And now that the way of faith has come, we no longer need the law as our guardian.

  11. poohpity says:

    Bill Crowder under the teaching of the Holy Spirit said, “The Scriptures move toward the most powerful crescendo of history: the cross and resurrection of Jesus Christ. In the moments following Adam and Eve’s fall into sin in the garden of Eden, God promised that a Redeemer would come (Genesis 3:15), and throughout the Old Testament that theme moved forward. The promise rang out in the Passover lamb (Exodus 12:21), the hopes of the prophets (1 Peter 1:10), and the longings of the people of God.”

  12. street says:

    God created the heavens, the earth all animals, and man and said it was good.

    Genesis 2:18
    The Lord God said, “It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him.”

    steve i struggle with this line in the Genesis but some day i will understand it.

    We are resurrected in new bodies, does that count as coming under actual creation?

    He who was seated on the throne said, “I am making everything new!” Then he said, “Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true.”

    So here again at the beginning we already have evil having been created along with everything else.

    God did not create evil He created a choice or a possibility of privation of good. God took the curse on Himself in order to redeem the work He started to bring it to completion for His Glory and our joy. we fell when we seek joy apart from God. God’s Glory and our joy are not mutually exclusive. we were never meant to be alone. made in the image of God.

    God had not forbid Adam to eat from it, so why hadn’t he ate of it already? thinking man didn’t know any better? we chose death to become like God Who we though very highly of, but not high enough to obey. thinking of this makes the cross more Glorious.

    steve i am going to stop here.

  13. poohpity says:

    Steve, if you read Hebrews 11 the faith chapter you will see that those people lived before the law of Moses was even given but were counted as righteous by God because of their faith.

    Then in Luke 24 25 Then Jesus said to them, “You foolish people! You find it so hard to believe all that the prophets wrote in the Scriptures. 26 Wasn’t it clearly predicted that the Messiah would have to suffer all these things before entering his glory?” 27 Then Jesus took them through the writings of Moses and all the prophets, explaining from all the Scriptures the things concerning himself.”

    Jesus only had the OT scrolls to teach about Himself from so it was very relevant and not obsolete at all.

  14. Beloved says:

    I hope it’s ok to quote this from Ligonier Ministries.

    Becoming Obsolete
    “In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away” (Heb. 8:13).

    – Hebrews 8:13
    The original audience of the epistle to the Hebrews was tempted to avoid persecution by returning to the old covenant. As we have seen, however, since the new covenant was designed to replace the old, a return to the old covenant would only bring disaster.

    Yesterday, we looked at how the prophecy quoted in Hebrews 8:8–12 refers to the period of restoration after exile. Many thought that this restoration would manifest itself immediately, but something else has happened. Instead of coming all at once, the period of restoration has been stretched out over time.

    It is Jesus who tells us that the restoration will be drawn out over a period of time. In the parables of the mustard seed and the leaven (Matt. 13:31–33), we learn that the kingdom of God does not come immediately but starts out small and grows larger over time. Even though the restoration will take longer than expected, we can be sure it has started. When Jesus applies the words of Isaiah to Himself (Luke 4:16–21), He teaches that restoration has begun.

  15. Beloved says:

    (3) that in his suffering and death Jesus exposed the original lie of an Enemy who didn’t want us to believe that our Creator only wants the best for us.

    Oooh Mart that is so profound for me. I think you just blew the Enemy’s most prolific lie, “did God really say”..?
    Thinking how important it is to NOT lean on our own understanding. Love those fruits!

  16. street says:

    The first had to do with a new way to understand our sin, the second a new way to fulfill the spirit of the Law, and a third to help us understand how the one who led us into all malice and mayhem has been defeated. (John 16:5-11)

    Am probably missing a lot.


    it is unfolding

    this is the framework, the super structure on which to build. Christ being the foundation…..and later the capstone.

    Romans 5:16
    The gift is not like that which came through the one who sinned; for on the one hand the judgment arose from one transgression resulting in condemnation, but on the other hand the free gift “arose” from many transgressions resulting in justification.

    but if I go, I will send Him to you. 8 And He, when He comes, will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment; 9 concerning sin, because they do not believe in Me;John 16:7-9

  17. Beloved says:

    But He, Jesus, discipline us, not the law.
    Hebrews 12:10–11
    10 For they disciplined us for a short time as it seemed best to them, but he disciplines us for our good, that we may share his holiness. 11 For the moment all discipline seems painful rather than pleasant, but later it yields the peaceful fruit of righteousness to those who have been trained by it.

  18. Beloved says:

    To those who have been trained by it.

    I can be a very judgemental person. Is being trained about being told or telling others how sinful they are in hopes that righteousness will suddenly appear? Or is it more about the training only a completely loving God can give in a way that doesn’t further wound but heals, like Jesus death healed our sin problem? I’m ashamed and embarrassed of my behavior. I’m still learning to love, and be loved.

  19. jeff1 says:

    Quotes from C.S Lewis

    If you read history you will find that the Christians who did most for the present world were precisely those who thought most of the next. It is since Christians have largely ceased to think of the other world that they have become so ineffective in this.

    What I call my ‘self’ now is hardly a person at all. It’s mainly a meeting place for various natural forces, desires, and fears, etcetera, some of which come from my ancestors, and some from my education, some perhaps from devils. The self you were really intended to be is something that lives not from nature but from God.

  20. jeff1 says:

    Why Me

    Why me Lord
    What have I ever done
    To deserve even one
    Of the blessings I’ve known
    Why me Lord
    What did I ever do
    That was worth love from you
    And the kindness you’ve shown

    Lord help me, Jesus
    I’ve wasted it so
    Help me, Jesus
    I know what I am
    Now that I know
    That I’ve needed you so
    Help me, Jesus
    My soul’s in your hand

    Try me Lord
    If you think there’s a way
    That I can repay
    What I’ve taken from you
    Maybe Lord
    I can show someone else
    What I’ve been through myself
    On my way back to you

    Lord help me, Jesus
    I’ve wasted it so
    Help me, Jesus
    I know what I am
    Now that I know
    That I’ve needed you so
    Help me, Jesus
    My soul’s in your hand
    My soul’s in your hand

  21. jeff1 says:

    The King Of Love My Shepherd Is

    The king of love my shepherd is,
    Whose goodness faileth never;
    I nothing lack if I am his
    And he is mine for ever.

    Where streams of living water flow
    My ransomed soul he leadeth,
    And where the verdant pastures grow
    With food celestial feedeth.

    Perverse and foolish oft I strayed,
    But yet in love he sought me,
    And on his shoulder gently laid,
    And home rejoicing brought me.

    In death’s dark vale I fear no ill
    With thee, dear Lord, beside me;
    Thy rod and staff my comfort still,
    Thy cross before to guide me.

    Thou spread’st a table in my sight;
    Thy unction grace bestoweth;
    And O what transport of delight
    From thy pure chalice floweth!

    And so through all the length of days
    Thy goodness faileth never:
    Good shepherd, may I sing thy praise
    Within thy house for ever.

  22. poohpity says:

    Our new life in Christ was so that we rather than chase after sinful things, we can do good things.

    Eph 2: Once you were dead because of your disobedience and your many sins. 2 You used to live in sin, just like the rest of the world, obeying the devil—the commander of the powers in the unseen world. He is the spirit at work in the hearts of those who refuse to obey God. 3 All of us used to live that way, following the passionate desires and inclinations of our sinful nature. By our very nature we were subject to God’s anger, just like everyone else.

    4 But God is so rich in mercy, and he loved us so much, 5 that even though we were dead because of our sins, he gave us life when he raised Christ from the dead. (It is only by God’s grace that you have been saved!) 6 For he raised us from the dead along with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms because we are united with Christ Jesus. 7 So God can point to us in all future ages as examples of the incredible wealth of his grace and kindness toward us, as shown in all he has done for us who are united with Christ Jesus.

    8 God saved you by his grace when you believed. And you can’t take credit for this; it is a gift from God. 9 Salvation is not a reward for the good things we have done, so none of us can boast about it. 10 For we are God’s masterpiece. He has created us anew in Christ Jesus, so we can do the good things he planned for us long ago.

  23. SFDBWV says:

    Often with Sister Viv I have spoken of our mutual love of music and how it sooths us. For me I am sure it fits that old saying that music sooths the savage beast.

    “Blowin’ in The Wind”, one of so many folk songs that became well represented and sung during the tumultuous 60’s is still one of my favorites.

    Whereas I truly love those songs and still set here and listen to many so many years later, I never fit in with the mood or move of my generation.

    I hated the “dope smoking, turned on, tuned out, freaky people” that protested against authority.

    Everything they stood for I stood up against.

    I just did not go along with the crowd ever, and not surprising I still don’t.

    I am a dying breed of man in this world. I believe hard work, honesty and Godly living is the road map to success and contentment here in this world.

    That all the pain and heartache life produces will be erased in that time when we stand before God and rewarded for how we lived our lives, and forgiven for our mistakes, not because of us, but because of Jesus the Christ.

    There in the 60’s when “Blowin in the Wind” was written and sung, there was the message that there was a change coming and it was blowing in the wind.

    Here I stand once again with what can only be said that there is once again something blowing in the wind.

    And once again I don’t fit in, I don’t just go along with the crowd.

    I stand my ground and stay faithful to my faith that has watched over me and brought me to the place where I am today.

    To all too quickly accept something radical or different than what I have believed in all my life, just isn’t going to happen or a least not easily.

    I may not be at the spiritual place some of you are and some of you may not be where I as well, but I allow you to be where you are, I only ask that you let me be where I am.

    We can I hope agree that Jesus is Lord, what else has a higher importance than that?

    42 wet and cold.


  24. poohpity says:

    I know men who have integrity, that are kind, that are teachable, that confess they do not know everything, are willing to admit when they are wrong, that don’t jump to conclusions without all the facts, hard workers and serve the Lord with all their hearts, God is growing them everyday and they are rare. Similar to Mart for one or Bill Crowder and they are the first to admit their weaknesses, imperfections and faults but I have never heard them say that they are a dying breed type of man. I have never heard them blow their own horns.

  25. street says:

    to free us in a Spirit of love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control of his Spirit (Galatians 5:22-26)

    two made one.

  26. street says:

    Does any of this resonate with you? Anything that doesn’t?

    (2) that in his absence the Spirit would now lead us in the of his love…..

    this ….i my opinion needs to be proof read……it’s not working for me.

  27. Beloved says:

    I hated the “dope smoking, turned on, tuned out, freaky people” that protested against authority.

    That was me, steve, in the late 60’s, however my beef so to speak was with the tyrannical, self absorbed parent who raised me. Sadly, I too became tyrannical and self absorbed. Like my generation we looked for love, that’s all, just love. We were promised the world, but knew that materialism wasn’t it. Unable to change ourselves or our parents we sought out change from the top down, so to speak. I wish I had known then that the change I sought was brought about by a babe in a lowly manger. It took a change of heart, finally, not of my own doing but of the will of God, and the Christ child became real to me. When I fall back on my independent ways is when I fall out of grace, but not for long. His mercies are new, EVERY MORNING! I do agree that Jesus is LORD of all, and my personal LORD! :-), smiling because He gives me peace and it makes me smile. Peace to you and your family Steve. Joyce

  28. Beloved says:

    Ya street I’ve been playing around with that sentence myself trying to figure out what Mart was saying, lol.

  29. Beloved says:

    Pooh continually pointing out Steve’s flaws is not going to change him.

  30. street says:

    thinking about a sail boat driven by the wind. a helmsman following a coarse set out by the captain. to circumnavigate God would be like putting God in a box. a foolish thing we are all guilty of. the only thing is God loves taking things out of boxes for His Glory.

    to the only wise God be glory forever through Jesus Christ! Amen.

  31. Beloved says:

    Amen street.

  32. street says:

    my beef so to speak was with the tyrannical, self absorbed parent who raised me.

    As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins, 2 in which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient. 3 All of us also lived among them at one time, gratifying the cravings of our flesh and following its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature deserving of wrath. 4 But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, 5 made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions…..

    learning to live by this new Spirit He has given us.

  33. street says:

    tyrannical, self absorbed

    thats me! learning to be still, learn to wait, learning to Trust in the Lord at all times. learning to live. learning to love. some day my Joy will be complete? even paul understood he had not arrived yet.

    speed the day when my faith will be sight, all the saints complete and glorious in Christ Jesus. don’t think for one moment you can get there with out the rest of the saints. if you did something would be missing. very strong encouragement to work the vineyard. now that brings us back to our discussions on works? take that up with your Father.

  34. Beloved says:

    “We must not think about the greatness of what is given, nor about how unworthy we are of it (for if we did that, we would be terrified); rather, we must think how it pleases God to give us this unutterable gift freely (Luke 12:32). If he wants to give it, I must not consider my own sin and unworthiness but only his fatherly goodwill toward me; I must receive this great gift with joy and gladness and be thankful.” Martin Luther

  35. jeff1 says:

    Jesus is a Forever Friend to all of us and so it is for each of us to focus on Him and not on each others weaknesses which we all have and only God can change them.

    It is reminding myself of that will keep me humble in God’s presence and will please Him more than me having a go at someone all the time just for the hell of it.

    Steve my dad never went with the crowd either because he always seen the bigger picture when other didn’t.

    The words tell me that I need Jesus more than He needs me and so what ever our differences Jesus is all our best friend and what we can rejoice about.

    Everybody needs a little help sometime
    No one stands alone
    Makes no difference if you’re just a child like me
    Or a king upon a throne
    For there are no exceptions
    We all stand in the line
    Everybody needs a friend
    Let me tell you of mine

    He’s my forever friend
    My leave-me-never friend
    From darkest night to rainbow’s end
    He’s my forever friend
    Even when I turn away He cares for me
    His love no one can shake
    Even as I walk away He’s by my side
    With every breath I take
    And sometimes I forget Him
    My halo fails to shine
    Sometimes I’m not His friend
    But He is always mine

    If you still don’t know the one I’m talking of
    I think it’s time you knew
    Long ago and far away upon a cross
    My friend died for you
    So if you’d like to meet Him
    And don’t know what to do
    Ask my friend into you heart
    And He’ll be your friend too

    He’s My Forever Friend
    My leave-me-never friend
    From darkest night to rainbow’s end
    He’s my forever friend

  36. jeff1 says:

    Poohpity says:
    October 27, 2018 at 10:22 am

    I know men who have integrity, that are kind, that are teachable, that confess they do not know everything, are willing to admit when they are wrong, that don’t jump to conclusions without all the facts, hard workers and serve the Lord with all their hearts, God is growing them everyday and they are rare. Similar to Mart for one or Bill Crowder and they are the first to admit their weaknesses, imperfections and faults but I have never heard them say that they are a dying breed type of man. I have never heard them blow their own horns

    This is the reason to-day that believers are not taken seriously because this is a judgemental attack on another believer and just the kind of behaviour that should not be tolerated but sadly today it is and why many are disillusioned with Christianity because it does not represent the heart of Christ.

  37. Beloved says:


    Did you know that there’s just as much violence in words as there is in war? Hence the saying “war on words”. When will the violence stop? When Jesus returns. In the meantime, Jesus said to watch and pray. Watch what? War? I think watch the kingdom of God as it permeates the broken world. Keeping our eyes on Jesus. Prayers for the jews killed today in pittsburg. Only a hard hearted person could hate so completely. Jesus please soften hearts and rescue the perishing. Amen

  38. poohpity says:

    So is it so bad judging another to list the good characteristics of a Godly man that are rare to see? I listed those good characteristics about Mart, Bill and other men I know rather than them telling me how good they are. Aren’t we supposed to look for the good in others and those things are what I see and isn’t all it right to compliment them rather than them boasting about themselves? If that is the kind of judging we do then isn’t it better than listing all their faults? Phil 4:8 NLT

  39. poohpity says:

    It is not rare at all for someone to say they aren’t going to change, they want to stay the same as they always have been. That is not rare at all it is very normal for people to be set in their ways, to not listen to alternative view points or to get upset when other people express their differing views.

    Everyone is completely wise to know that no one can change anyone else especially those who know that only God can change a person’s heart. But for someone to accuse others of saying things that were never said then continue along that path, that in my book is not rare at all but is rather like the common man who has a thought stuck in their mind even when it never happened to begin with.

  40. poohpity says:

    None of us who listened to what Mart said in the last topic or to what Andy Stanley said, know that neither one of them nor Forever or I ever said the Old Testament was obsolete, Steve accused us of saying that when NO ONE ever did and he is stuck thinking that and will not open his mind that that may NOT be what was said at all.

  41. jeff1 says:

    Take my life and let it be
    Consecrated, Lord, to Thee.
    *Take my moments and my days,
    Let them flow in endless praise.

    Take my hands and let them move
    At the impulse of Thy love.
    Take my feet and let them be
    Swift and beautiful for Thee.

    Take my voice and let me sing,
    Always, only for my King.
    Take my lips and let them be
    Filled with messages from Thee.

    Take my silver and my gold,
    Not a mite would I withhold.
    Take my intellect and use
    Every pow’r as Thou shalt choose.

    Take my will and make it Thine,
    It shall be no longer mine.
    Take my heart, it is Thine own,
    It shall be Thy royal throne.

    Take my love, my Lord, I pour
    At Thy feet its treasure store.
    Take myself and I will be
    Ever, only, all for Thee

  42. Beloved says:

    So does that justify you saying
    “I have never heard them say that they are a dying breed type of man. I have never heard them blow their own horns”

    in which you quote Steve’s own words?

  43. Beloved says:

    By comparing Steve to Mart and Bill you are putting Steve down. Violence.

  44. Beloved says:

    I have never heard them say that they are a dying breed type of man. I have never heard them blow their own horns. I don’t always agree with everything everyone says but I just let it go or add my opinion in a hopefully respectful way, remembering that I am not any better or worse than others, but I hate the violence perpetrated in the name of religion, as you pooh do so well and often. I am tired of it.
    You are welcome for the much needed attention.

  45. street says:

    Psalm 59:3
    They have set an ambush for me. Fierce enemies are out there waiting, Lord, though I have not sinned or offended them.

    Proverbs 18:19
    An offended friend is harder to win back than a fortified city. Arguments separate friends like a gate locked with bars.

    Matthew 13:57
    And they were deeply offended and refused to believe in him. Then Jesus told them, “A prophet is honored everywhere except in his own hometown and among his own family.”

    Matthew 15:12
    Then the disciples came to him and asked, “Do you realize you offended the Pharisees by what you just said?”

    1 Corinthians 1:23
    So when we preach that Christ was crucified, the Jews are offended and the Gentiles say it’s all nonsense.

    Galatians 5:11
    Dear brothers and sisters, if I were still preaching that you must be circumcised—as some say I do—why am I still being persecuted? If I were no longer preaching salvation through the cross of Christ, no one would be offended.

    31 So whether you eat or drink, or whatever you do, do it all for the glory of God. 32 Don’t give offense to Jews or Gentiles[a] or the church of God. 33 I, too, try to please everyone in everything I do. I don’t just do what is best for me; I do what is best for others so that many may be saved.

    Romans 16:17
    Now I urge you, brethren, note those who cause divisions and offenses, contrary to the doctrine which you learned, and avoid them.

    Luke 17:1
    Then He said to the disciples, “It is impossible that no offenses should come, but woe to him through whom they do come!

    Romans 4:25
    who was delivered up because of our offenses, and was raised because of our justification.

    Philippians 1:10
    that you may approve the things that are excellent, that you may be sincere and without offense till the day of Christ,

  46. jeff1 says:

    1 Now, the sowing, and the weeping,
    Working hard, and waiting long;
    Afterwards, the golden reaping,
    Harvest-home and grateful song.

    2 Now, the pruning, sharp, unsparing,
    Scattered blossoms, bleeding shoot;
    Afterwards, the plenteous bearing
    Of the Master’s pleasant fruit.

    3 Now, the long and toilsome duty,
    Stone by stone to carve and bring;
    Afterwards, the perfect beauty
    Of the palace of the King.

    4 Now, the spirit conflict-riven,
    Wounded heart, unequal strife;
    Afterwards, the triumph given,
    And the victor’s crown of life.

    5 Now, the training strange and lowly,
    Unexplained and tedious now;
    Afterwards, the service holy,
    And the Master’s ‘Enter Thou.

  47. Beloved says:

    Cut the first two sentences of my 5:42 post.

  48. Beloved says:

    Good to check, am I being offensive because I’m in the flesh, or is it the Gospel that’s causing the offense.

  49. Beloved says:

    Good poem Viv.

  50. jeff1 says:

    It’s a hymn by Frances R. Havergal, Beloved, and I thought a very inspiring one.

    Focusing on words that encourage from the heart of a woman who was near God.

    I can choose whom to listen to and who not to and I am so tired of listening to the wrong people.

  51. Beloved says:

    Yes I love to hear encouraging words, I really need them. The faith walk is hard, but as Francis says,

    Now, the training strange and lowly,
    Unexplained and tedious now;
    Afterwards, the service holy,
    And the Master’s ‘Enter Thou

  52. Beloved says:

    Pooh, I read your posts on ODB, well done!

  53. poohpity says:

    Oh Beloved by the way how many times have you listened to Mart or Bill speak? I listen to them every weekday morning for years and have heard them confess their flaws but never have I heard them say how wonderful they think they are.

  54. poohpity says:

    I did not compare Steve to them, I gave my opinion about them being Godly men and the characteristics of such by listening closely to them and to other Godly men I know and they are in fact rare indeed but not for men who know God and have a close relationship with Him.

  55. Beloved says:

    Viv said-I can choose whom to listen to and who not to and I am so tired of listening to the wrong people.
    10 For “Whoever desires to love life and see good days, let him keep his tongue from evil and his lips from speaking deceit; 11 let him turn away from evil and do good; let him seek peace and pursue it. 12 For the eyes of the Lord are on the righteous, and his ears are open to their prayer. But the face of the Lord is against those who do evil.” 13 Now who is there to harm you if you are zealous for what is good? 14 But even if you should suffer for righteousness’ sake, you will be blessed. Have no fear of them, nor be troubled, 15 but in your hearts honor Christ the Lord as holy, always being prepared to make a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you; yet do it with gentleness and respect,

  56. SFDBWV says:

    October 28, 2018
    Satan’s Strategic Plan
    “But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.” (2 Corinthians 11:3)

    The magnificent book of Genesis sets the foundation for Scripture, revealing the “Roman numerals” upon which the rest of the Bible’s message is built. Apart from the actual events of the creation week, the fall of Adam and Eve, and the subsequent horrific growth of sin and the awful judgment of the Flood, the gospel message would make little sense.

    Paul’s warning showcases the importance of Satan’s strategy to ensnare humanity in the same trap. The Devil’s tactics change with time and culture, but the strategy remains the same.

    First, Satan always attempts to make us doubt the Word of God (Genesis 3:1). If we question the accuracy, the meaning, the authenticity, the historicity, or any other shade of “all scripture” (2 Timothy 3:16), then we begin edging onto a slippery slope that will only lead to the next stage.

    Second, Satan always confronts the doubter with a denial of the Word of God (Genesis 3:4). When one begins to deny the authority, the capability, or the will of God to carry out His Word, the slide into the final phase is inevitable.

    Third, Satan ultimately heaps denigration on the Person of God Himself (Genesis 3:5). Once one embraces the thought that the Word of God is not trustworthy and that God either will not or cannot do what He says, it absolutely follows that God is either a liar, a hypocrite, or a capricious and whimsical ogre.

    May God protect us from the “wiles of the devil” (Ephesians 6:11). HMM III

    From “Days of Praise”.


  57. SFDBWV says:

    “Blowin in the Wind”

    As I wrote yesterday morning, there is an ill wind blowing in the world today. Anyone who can’t sense it is deaf to the Spirit.

    12 Jews killed in a Synagogue in Pittsburg PA last evening, by an agent of evil.

    Evil is growing in the world and will continue to.

    Did Jesus die in order to release us from the “condemnation of broken laws”? I always thought Jesus died in our place as the blood sacrifice God demanded for broken laws.

    One sacrifice one time once and for all.

    Sin separates us from a fellowship with God, it did before the cross and it still does, unless we confess our sins and ask forgiveness through and by Jesus of Nazareth the Christ. Unless we accept Jesus as Lord we still are under condemnation of sin.

    The new covenant is offered through Jesus Christ, the old one still punishes sin for those who don’t accept the new one.

    Ask this question, is it possible for a person who has signed on to the new covenant to still sin? Is there any Scripture to support what happens when they do?

    You bet there is!

    What exactly is the “old” covenant except that God says if you do this I will do that and be your God and you my people?

    Is that offering from God obsolete?

    I think not.

    Why is it told of me to live a Holy life if there is no condemnation for not?

    The religion of Islam teaches its followers to not believe the OT Bible because they believe it to have been altered to give the Jew a favored position with God. Altered by the Jew.

    At the end of mankind’s rule upon the earth there is a great war that thrusts all the world’s nations against Israel. God will save Israel from destruction because of the covenant He made with them.

    I am a believer in God as given in the OT, a believer in Jesus as hinted at in the OT and shown in the New and I stand with Israel as a brother and ally against a world filled with evil directed at us both.

    Just like Master Sargent Roddie Edmonds of Knoxville Tennessee told his German captors when ordered to turn over all the Jews in the prison camp to the Nazi’s, “we are all Jews here.”

    38 cold and wet.


  58. jeff1 says:

    Poohpity says:
    October 27, 2018 at 10:22 am

    Extract from your post:

    Similar to Mart for one or Bill Crowder and they are the first to admit their weaknesses, imperfections and faults but I have never heard them say that they are a dying breed type of man. I have never heard them blow their own horns

    The last two lines are your perception Pooh on what Steve said in his post but it was not my perception of what he said.

    Steve’s words:

    “I am a dying breed of man in this world. I believe hard work, honesty and Godly living is the road map to success and contentment here in this world.”

    It’s Steve’s take on living a Godly life and I don’t see anything wrong in his statement and I have done much the same in my own life i.e. worked hard, honest in my dealings with others and looked to God for guidance in life. Also, he sees less and less living like this and in my own country it is one revelation after another of dishonesty among those in authority who are self proclaimed believers so I would say honesty is a dying virtue.

    He also mentions he didn’t go with the crowd which was a weakness of mine while my dad was more like Steve but then my dad always saw the bigger picture.

    It is good to be honest with yourself and only you know whether in your heart you where trying to demean Steve and using Mart and Bill as a means to do it.

    God changes our heart when we are honest enough to admit there is malice in it but remorse comes before change or that is what I believe because that is what I was taught.

    A remorseful, humble heart sees the need to make it right with both God and Steve to my way of thinking and the desire comes from within my own heart which can be deceitful if I choose it to be but it isn’t what God wants me to do or else I am misunderstanding God.

  59. jeff1 says:

    Please know that it is not my intention to labour on what Steve and Pooh said, but Pooh, is the first person to speak of how important it is to correct and to my mind Steve’s post speaks of heartfelt conviction while Pooh’s is demeaning and uncalled for.

  60. poohpity says:

    Viv, I can admit to malice in my heart, I can even admit to anger or unforgiveness but that is not what is in my heart towards Steve. It is mostly pity for being lead astray and not standing on God’s word but the word of authors who write things that are just not in line with the word of truth but the twisting of it.

    For just one example in the OT said by God and recorded by Jeremiah the Lord’s prophet(messenger).

    31 “The day is coming,” says the Lord, “when I will make a new covenant with the people of Israel and Judah. 32 This covenant will not be like the one I made with their ancestors when I took them by the hand and brought them out of the land of Egypt. They broke that covenant, though I loved them as a husband loves his wife,” says the Lord.

    33 “But this is the new covenant I will make with the people of Israel after those days,” says the Lord. “I will put my instructions deep within them, and I will write them on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people.

    Yes people can and are persecuted for standing on the truth of God’s word but people can be confronted who do not stand on the word of God but on their own words or thoughts or the words of some other author which are referred to as false teachers but unless you actually know what the word’s of God are, it is easy to be deceived which is the work of the fallen angel, the devil. It is Satan who loves to twist God’s word to suit his will and he has many followers but it is deception because many do not realize it unless they are grounded in truth.

    Jesus is the Truth. It is His Spirit that was left for us, to guide us into all the truths that God has shared with His people.

  61. poohpity says:

    Viv, my words and writing come from a conviction and great passion to know God and what He teaches and I do not fall for bull. If you think that is demeaning you are welcome to your opinion but I am on the side of God not Steve nor do I hold any human being above God. I am able to discern between what people say who want to be on a pedestal and what God has said who belongs on that pedestal.

  62. bubbles says:

    Am thankful to be able to experience grace and not under the law. Can you imagine how difficult it would have been?

  63. poohpity says:

    For your information there once was a time when honesty prevailed from Steve and his exact quote was, “I have never read as much of the bible as I have since I have been on this blog”. That was real not saying from Genesis to Revelation when it was not read and leading others to believe he has. Just like commenting on Andy Stanley when he was never listened to.

  64. SFDBWV says:

    Viv I do so appreciate your friendship and for coming to my defense, thank you.

    Debra Johnson, aka poohpity, proclaimed to me in a private email that she would do all she can to discredit anything I have to say several years ago. That ended what was a budding friendship.

    She has kept her word and for as long as it has been continues to wage her private war against me.

    That’s fine, she only discredits herself by her vindictive actions, not me.

    I have come to a place where I never read anything she posts as whatever it is comes from a crippled and misguided heart bent only in an attempt to bring attention to herself.

    Nothing she would have to say would impress me or make me believe she has changed in any way. So I just leave her alone.

    I try and not tell any one of you how to conduct your business here as each of you need to follow your own heart and urgings here.

    My decision to not participate with her in conversation is how I am able to continue here and as Street gave Scripture to, as instructed to, not associate with such persons.

    Viv I know you consider yourself to be more English than Irish, but my string of listening to old folk music of late brought me to “Kilkelly” a beautiful and moving ballad of life.

    Still staying close to my music as well as my faith that has made me who I am today.

    Once again thank you for your friendship and love, someday in that far off place you me and others can set together and sing and enjoy the fellowship of being together as has always been God’s desire for us all.

    Till then I will see you here.


  65. poohpity says:

    I am not a Jew but a gentile but that does not make a difference to God because in Christ there is neither Jew or Gentile, slave or free, male or female but all are one in God’s family. Gal 3:28 People use their lineage, lot in life and gender as a means to feel superior to another but that is no longer used for the child of the King because the only superior One is God.

  66. poohpity says:

    Steve that is the biggest lie and I still have the emails between us. I wrote you an email saying because so many listen to and admire you, that is a great responsibility, so it would be nice to lead them into truth not yours but God’s. Now does that bring back memories. I have never said I would try to discredit you ever nor would I that is not who I am. Your very own words discredit you before those who know God’s truth, I do not need to do anything. I also told you I have the utmost respect for you but that is no longer true. But you have tried by accusations, name calling and derogatory comments tried to discredit me but the words I share are not my own, most often, but what we are taught in the bible and yes you do try to even discredit those.

  67. poohpity says:

    Jeremiah 9: This is what the Lord says:
    “Don’t let the wise boast in their wisdom,
    or the powerful boast in their power,
    or the rich boast in their riches.
    But those who wish to boast
    should boast in this alone:
    that they truly know me and understand that I am the Lord
    who demonstrates unfailing love
    and who brings justice and righteousness to the earth,
    and that I delight in these things.
    I, the Lord, have spoken!

  68. poohpity says:

    Oh by they way my name is not Debra, it is the Jewish name Deborah.

  69. jeff1 says:

    poohpity says:
    October 28, 2018 at 7:28 am

    Viv, my words and writing come from a conviction and great passion to know God and what He teaches and I do not fall for bull. If you think that is demeaning you are welcome to your opinion but I am on the side of God not Steve nor do I hold any human being above God. I am able to discern between what people say who want to be on a pedestal and what God has said who belongs on that pedestal.

    I wasn’t of the belief that anyone posting comments on here expected another to be on their side as you put it, but rather, that we are all on God’s side, but because of our different upbringings, religious denominations, cultures, country and backgrounds we are a diverse group who are united in seeing ‘Jesus as our Saviour,’ and by sharing, our thoughts, and views, might enlighten, and, or support each other on our journeys.

    I thought that is what Paul was teaching among his believers, unity, and, not division, and I thought if we believed Paul was right then we might want to put it into action.

    Not surprising my friend tells me that when it comes to people I am naive.

    SFDBWV says:
    October 28, 2018 at 8:01 am

    Viv I know you consider yourself to be more English than Irish, but my string of listening to old folk music of late brought me to “Kilkelly” a beautiful and moving ballad of life.

    Steve, it is true that I considered myself to be more British than Irish because I was raised in an English culture as opposed to an Irish one.Thus I had a Protestant heritage rather than a Roman Catholic one. These days I consider myself to be Ulster/Scots on my dad’s side but mixed on my mum’s side so my identify becomes more of a mystery to me.

    Before the violence of 1968, I had Roman Catholic friends, but, after 30 years of violence and 20 years into a peace agreement where we have no government because the elected parties cannot agree and paramilitaries are still carrying out punishment shootings in their own areas I am very much focusing on my faith in God and hope in Christ as a way forward. The consequences of division brought dark days here but there must always be hope for change for better and I will never give up hoping because the future of my children and their children depends on it.

    On the Banks of the Promised Land

    I have built my life on the solid Rock
    Far away from the sinking sand
    And I cast my eyes to the home that waits
    On the banks of the Promised Land

    There’s a song of praise that is lifted there
    By the saints and the angel band
    And I long to go and to join the choir
    On the banks of the Promised Land

    Hallelujah, what a morning
    When I reach for that nail-scarred hand
    And I’m led from grace to glory
    On the banks of the Promised Land

    Every grief and pain that has found me here
    Jesus knows, and He understands
    They’ll be washed away as I cross death’s stream
    To the banks of the Promised Land

    Hallelujah, what a morning
    When I reach for that nail-scarred hand
    And I’m led from grace to glory
    On the banks of the Promised Land

    Then I’ll see the face of my Savior dear
    Beckoned close by His sweet command
    All my burdens gone; I will rest at last
    On the banks of the Promised Land

    Hallelujah, what a morning
    When I reach for that nail-scarred hand
    And I’m led from grace to glory
    On the banks of the Promised Land

    Oh, who will come and go with me?
    I am bound for the promised land

  70. Beloved says:

    Steve to corroborate what you said, the very first telephone conversation I had with her she wanted to know who i thought was the troublemaker on the blog. Not wanting to offend her who i knew was the troublemaker i struggled with what to say, then she said Steve. And that she was out to discredit you, maybe not those exact words but something similar. I think we only talked maybe two times after that as I quickly learned what I was listening to and could not enter in to a friendship with her. Formidable is an apt description. Lying, manipulation and using scripture as Satan did in the garden, the desert, and still does today. Cunning but defeated, why he works so hard to fool and discredit Gods people. His time is short, but God is forever. The wind of the Spirit is still blowing across the landscape, do not fear, little flock, for I have overcome the world. Bless the Holy name of Jesus, yesterday, today and forevermore, Amen and Amen.

  71. foreverblessed says:

    Dear Jeff, a beaut song but for me:( that means maybe not for you, do for not take it as a critical note of mine towards you)I pray that though I am not yet at the Promised land, in the Spirit I am, in faith I already am.
    And what I see with my eyes, I need no faith anymore.

    We are already seated in the heavenly realms! In Ephesians that is written.

    Today at church I had an amazing discussion. Someone wanted me to read Wake Up, Mr Lam ( or Lamb, I don’t know). And I told him, maybe Irresistible is a good book for him.
    Unhitched from the Old Covenant. And he reacted very strongly against it. Then I tried, in a friendly atmosphere, trying to find out what he did have against it.
    Then it turned out:
    He heard: unhitched from the Old Testament.

    I said, I did not say that, I said
    Unhitched from the Old Covenant.
    And then a new discussion starters, what do you mean by the d Covenant?
    In the New Testament there is ample instruction of Paul, what is meant by it.
    I could say: go and study that for yourself!
    But in fact, that is really the case,
    Mart said,
    What does Paul want to say in 2 Cor 3:1-29

    And what does Hebrews 1:1-10:18 mean?
    What are the implications?

    Is it only the sacrificial rituals that are obsolete?

    The Mosaic Law and ——the Law of Christ
    The living in the letter,—— the living in the Spirit
    The Old Covenant , ——the New Covenant

  72. foreverblessed says:

    In fact I kept a lot of commands of the Old Covenant:
    The Sabbath, the Festival’s, the clean and unclean food laws.

    When I say that I now keep them in the Spirit, do I still keep the same laws, but now in the Spirit?
    So I eat no porch, but then with holy Spirit in me.
    Or can I eat porch and pray the blessing before I eat.
    When it is the last, I am i hitched from the Old Covenant.

    Do I still keep a day? I did keep them out of love for God, because God commanded it, and I loved God, that’s why I kept them. Today they said to me: the principle is that we keep a rest a day of the week.
    I answered: the principle of eating food in God’s viewpoint is that we eat healthy, but that does not mean that I keep the foodlaws of the Old Covenant.

    Keep a day rest, that’s OK, that is sensible.
    But is it the Holy Law of God in the New Covenant?

    Hebrews 8:13
    What is obsolete is soon expired.

    To me that means, in different stages of our maturity in Christ, we see that the more and the more of the Old Covenant we are unhitched of.

    I now indeed can say that I am u hitched of the 10 commandments, because I am hitched to the Words of Christ, the law of Christ in Paul’s words, and then I find myself totally keeping the 10 anyway, I only go myriads of miles deeper than that.

  73. foreverblessed says:

    Not me, but Christ in me, in His strength

    So I find it: the Bible for grown-ups in Christ!
    Very profound.

    Do you want to grow up in Christ?

    Or do you want to stay on the kindergarten level? Gal 3:24-26

    We are not damned if we do, but Paul said: I am struggling till Christ is formed in you.
    The living in faith in Christ, following His Words!

    Forgive one another, as God has forgiven you!
    70 times 7 forgive.
    Bless your enemies,
    Do good to those who have you.

    How long will you wait till you even say:
    “God, I want to do that, please help me my unforgiveness”

    “God, I want to love my enemy, please give me love from You.”

    That goes far beyond anything in the 10 commandments!
    Hallelujah, Praise God for His mercy and Truth
    God bless you all mightily!

  74. Beloved says:

    I thought this worth repeating, thanks Viv:

    jeff1 says:
    October 27, 2018 at 5:17 am
    Quotes from C.S Lewis

    If you read history you will find that the Christians who did most for the present world were precisely those who thought most of the next. It is since Christians have largely ceased to think of the other world that they have become so ineffective in this.

    What I call my ‘self’ now is hardly a person at all. It’s mainly a meeting place for various natural forces, desires, and fears, etcetera, some of which come from my ancestors, and some from my education, some perhaps from devils. The self you were really intended to be is something that lives not from nature but from God.

  75. Beloved says:

    I now indeed can say that I am u hitched of the 10 commandments, because I am hitched to the Words of Christ, the law of Christ in Paul’s words, and then I find myself totally keeping the 10 anyway, I only go myriads of miles deeper than that.

    Amen Forever!!!

  76. Beloved says:

    Outwardly, we keep all the Law, but inwardly, we died and Christ lives in us. He keeps the Law in accordance with the very nature of God.

  77. foreverblessed says:

    Dear Beloved, indeed, it not a matter of what law we follow,
    Because if we want to follow the law of Christ, in ourselves, we might get in despair:
    Not even the thinking of hate thoughts is allowed. But what is a have thought enters our mind?
    Do we get frightened that it did? Do we think we have so sinned? Then we might feel as the nun you talked about who found out that temptation is not sin.
    But dwelling on the thought is a different matter.

    Now here’s the thing:
    It takes action on my side to grab the thought and throw it out, and replace it with Good:
    Bless the person instead!

    We fill our thoughts with Jesus’s Words.
    So yes, we do read the Bible Old and New Testament!
    The Life of Christ in us drives out all evil in and around us.
    Not at once, it may, but surely and slowly.

    Not what we do, but who we are:
    A new creation in Christ.

    Where we are, we are in Him, and in faith believe that against all odds. We are safe.

  78. Beloved says:

    Deb, I too was once naive about what the Body of Christ should look like. Going in i thought everybody was going to be altogether loving to me, as Jesus was. I soon found out it wasn’t so. Physically assaulted and physically shamed by my first pastor i moved on to a charismatic fellowship, where I received real healing from God, but then was accused by some of lying, and being healed by the dev il, of all things! From there I wandered then went to Bible college. Huge disappointment! I was psychologically wounded by a psych teacher/counselor. Went from there with major depression, homeless, and rejection from my kids and closest friend/mentor of 20 years! Wound up in another state, with a very psychotic college friend who turned on me suddenly. I was led by God back to where I started and joined a fellowship, worked in mental health, (which I loved because I knew people suffering could be loved because God loved me!) all the while struggling with my own anxiety depression and ptsd beginning in childhood. I cautiously joined a church, and because of my depression the pastor again physically assaulted me because I wasn’t giving him the attention he felt he deserved from me. It’s almost unbelievable what goes on within the body, but it does every day. It wasn’t until God showed me through the Corinthian church that this is quite normal and to be expected. So, limping along i give it another try with no real expectations of people but to hear and see the Spirit of God guiding, leading, teaching and if I am lucky(?) this time some real fellowship. My part is to love and if I get hit again, so be it. Love is dangerous, but it is good.

  79. Beloved says:

    Wisdom from Martin Luther

    “Apart from the matter of justification, when you have to dispute with Jews, Muslims, and heretics about the power, wisdom, and majesty of God, work hard at it with all your wit, and be as profound and subtle a disputant as you can, for then you are in another vein. But in the case of conscience, righteousness, and life—take particular note of this—regarding the law, sin, death, and the devil, or in the matter of satisfaction, of forgiveness of sins, of reconciliation, and of everlasting life, you must withdraw your mind wholly from all reasoning and searching out God’s majesty and look only to this man Jesus Christ, who presents himself to us as a mediator and says, ‘Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest’ (Matthew 11:28).”

  80. Beloved says:

    Bubbles once said that Appalachians don’t trust outsiders. Steve I’m so grateful that God has placed you in a position of authority on your mountain. God bless you as always with wisdom, love, and peace. May you continue to grow in the knowledge of Him. Takes a strong man to do all you do for others.

  81. jeff1 says:

    Dear Jeff, a beaut song but for me:( that means maybe not for you, do for not take it as a critical note of mine towards you)I pray that though I am not yet at the Promised land, in the Spirit I am, in faith I already am.
    And what I see with my eyes, I need no faith anymore.

    I think Forever that would be a stretch for me as I believe that I cannot please God without faith.

    I walk by faith in that whatever I find myself facing I trust God to be with me and to strengthen and comfort me.

    I cannot get my head around where you are coming from Forever but I must emphasis that God speaks to my heart on account of my head being dysfunctional.

    The Lord is my shepherd, I lack nothing.
    2 He makes me lie down in green pastures,
    he leads me beside quiet waters,
    3 he refreshes my soul.
    He guides me along the right paths
    for his name’s sake.
    4 Even though I walk
    through the darkest valley,[a]
    I will fear no evil,
    for you are with me;
    your rod and your staff,
    they comfort me.

    5 You prepare a table before me
    in the presence of my enemies.
    You anoint my head with oil;
    my cup overflows.
    6 Surely your goodness and love will follow me
    all the days of my life,
    and I will dwell in the house of the Lord

  82. Beloved says:

    11 To this end we always pray for you, that our God may make you worthy of his calling and may fulfill every resolve for good and every work of faith by his power, 12 so that the name of our Lord Jesus may be glorified in you, and you in him, according to the grace of our God and the Lord Jesus Christ. Paul

  83. foreverblessed says:

    What a lovely scripture, Beloved!
    Jeff, all I wanted to say is that that song, asking for being in heaven, is at this moment not my prayer, rather I am praying that I may see heaven now. But I did not want to offend you in saying so.
    As long as we are not in heaven we see by faith.
    I ask for spiritual eyes: we are already seated in the heavenly realms.

    Having a sense that heaven is ready here!
    And, yes, I have:
    standing next to my friend who is wrestling with that awful illness, beginning with a c.
    That at times I have been in heaven.
    Just after Easter, when first diagonosed in the morning, and at night I visited her, she just had had an operation in her abdomen. I was in her room, and she was brought in, it was as if heaven was right there! Christ was there, Peace, Rest.
    It was magnificent!
    And then you know what Grace is: it is the I AM who is there with us.
    It is completely humbling, totally standing in awe!

    It happened again this week, when she got her first chemo.
    And I waar just being there and a recipient of all the good God is sending from heaven!

    We need not be afraid!
    God will never leave us nor forsake us!

  84. jeff1 says:

    I misunderstood what you were saying, Forever, great struggle in my head to understand and now I get it as you have explained it and it is clearer now.

    I am not offended, I too, have experienced God’s presence when my mum was dying and it is difficult to explain to another the peace that gives, to know, that your loved one is in God’s hands and so though I grieved the loss of my mum I was contented that she is in God’s keeping.

    If We Never Meet Again

    Soon we’ll come to the end of life’s journey
    And perhaps never meet anymore
    Till we gather in Heaven’s bright city
    Far away on that beautiful shore

    If we never meet again this side of Heaven
    As we struggle through this world and its strife
    There’s another meeting place somewhere in Heaven
    By the side of the river of life

    Where the charming roses bloom forever
    And where separations come no more
    If we never meet again this side of Heaven
    I will meet you on that beautiful shore

  85. bubbles says:

    I don’t recall saying this nor do I believe it.

  86. Beloved says:

    Bubbles I’m sorry. I checked back and it was Steve who said they were wary of new economic promises 8:23:18 – 3:28.

    You mentioned how beautiful his area is. I had just watched a program on Appalachia that emphasized the deeply religious, fiercely independent hearts there, along with increasing drug use due to the poor economy. I could have sworn you said what I thought you said. Troubling how my mind can take in and evaluate then out of my mouth comes something so different. I also, rereading so many weeks noticed I talk a LOT! Wish I had enough friends to share with but dont. You here are my people. I love you all.

    And thank you bubbles for checking me.

  87. Beloved says:

    Examining myself

    3) that in his suffering and death Jesus exposed the original lie of an Enemy who didn’t want us to believe that our Creator only wants the best for us.

    What is Gods best for us? I just read My Utmost July 9. It’s not what we think. It has nothing to do with finding whatever will enhance our lives, physically, emotionally or even spiritually or mentally!! His strength is found in our weakness, the very thing we struggle so hard against. It’s hard to stop striving so hard, for me, anyway. But love is patient.

  88. foreverblessed says:

    Good morning everyone!
    May God bless you today!
    Dear Jeff, I thought you misunderstood.
    Never mind.
    But now we still have the misunderstanding between Old Covenant andere Old Testament!

    Steve, all the defending for thema Old Testament shows you have a heart for the Word of God.

    But the Old Testament is not obsolete!!!
    The Old Covenant is.

    But we have a New Covenant, a better one. Which was already foretold in the Old Testament.
    God bless you and yours much.

  89. SFDBWV says:

    Joyce, or any interested parties, sometime when you have the time go to “YouTube” and play the song with accompanying pictures “You’ll Never Leave Harlan Alive” by Patty Loveless.

    It will give you a little picture of Appalachia and what it looks a little like here where Bubbles and I live as well as a taste of life here given in the song.

    Hope you enjoy.


  90. poohpity says:

    Joyce what you said I said never happened either nor did I even have it in my mind nor would I. But lying is nothing new from you. Even about who ended the brief time of exchange and deleting from facebook which continued on as you stalked me. I am also not naive about the characteristics of Godly people most of them never claim perfection or that they have reached where they want to be but are still growing, learning and becoming in their relationship with Christ and with others, so they have no need to put others down during their journey because they live by grace not to please people or gain their favor by lying.

  91. poohpity says:

    Living by the Spirit does not mean that we still won’t do desires of the flesh because which ever one has more control in one’s life is the one that is listened to more often. Even the Saints of old in NT times still struggled with the things of the flesh. There is a constant battle within us until we lose this fleshly body in exchange for the heavenly body(resurrected body) that has been prepared for us away from decay and corruption.

    Paul said, “So, my dear brothers and sisters, this is the point: You died to the power of the law when you died with Christ. And now you are united with the one who was raised from the dead. As a result, we can produce a harvest of good deeds for God. When we were controlled by our old nature, sinful desires were at work within us, and the law aroused these evil desires that produced a harvest of sinful deeds, resulting in death. But now we have been released from the law, for we died to it and are no longer captive to its power. Now we can serve God, not in the old way of obeying the letter of the law, but in the new way of living in the Spirit.”

    “Well then, am I suggesting that the law of God is sinful? Of course not! In fact, it was the law that showed me my sin. I would never have known that coveting is wrong if the law had not said, “You must not covet.” 8 But sin used this command to arouse all kinds of covetous desires within me! If there were no law, sin would not have that power. 9 At one time I lived without understanding the law. But when I learned the command not to covet, for instance, the power of sin came to life, 10 and I died. So I discovered that the law’s commands, which were supposed to bring life, brought spiritual death instead. Sin took advantage of those commands and deceived me; it used the commands to kill me. 12 But still, the law itself is holy, and its commands are holy and right and good.

    13 But how can that be? Did the law, which is good, cause my death? Of course not! Sin used what was good to bring about my condemnation to death. So we can see how terrible sin really is. It uses God’s good commands for its own evil purposes.

    Because of the rebellion in a human being heart when told not to do something, the odd thing is they will do it.

  92. SFDBWV says:

    Foreverblessed, I came home from my rebellion to the OT and from Genesis on learned who God is.

    Jesus the Messiah was revealed to me there within the stories found in the OT.

    The birth, life and death of Christ is all laid out there in the OT.

    It is an “Old” Testament because with the coming of the last Prophet, John the Baptist and the birth of Jesus of Nazareth came the “New” Testament.

    A new testimony of man and God.

    Every event of the old testimony culminated in the event of the cross.

    When God said He regretted ever having created man and decided to kill off every living thing in all of the earth except those He placed in the Ark, it is written that Noah found “grace” in the eyes of the Lord.

    Grace has always been the heart of God, it is not new.

    I cannot and would not disagree with the verses of Scripture that says God makes a new testament.

    The full explanation being given there in Hebrews 9:1-28 KJV.

    The ceremonial observances of the old law no longer necessary, even the temple being no longer needed.

    No need for a veil.

    However the structure of moral living, can never be obsolete, any more than the law of worshiping only one God. All of which are part of the agreement between the Hebrew people and God.

    Paul wrote several more letters and laid down laws he said came from the Holy Spirit. Laws about marriage, laws about sexual immorality, laws about the structure of the “church”. Are these new or a carryover from the old?

    The fact is I can show Bible verses which I guarantee most of you here would find disagreeable and even offensive.

    It almost sounds like this…Disobey any of all the laws of the Old Testament and go to hell, disobey the one law of the New Testament (accept Jesus as Lord) and go to hell.

    Nothing obsolete about that.

    Look I am not trying to pick, I am just saying that something just doesn’t sound right to me concerning all this Andy Stanley book marketing of his thoughts. I am just not that quick to jump on the band wagon and join the crowd. Just because the crowd does.

    Peace out.


  93. poohpity says:

    Paul also admitted as most followers of Christ do that

    So the trouble is not with the law, for it is spiritual and good. The trouble is with me, for I am all too human, a slave to sin. 15 I don’t really understand myself, for I want to do what is right, but I don’t do it. Instead, I do what I hate. 16 But if I know that what I am doing is wrong, this shows that I agree that the law is good. 17 So I am not the one doing wrong; it is sin living in me that does it.

    18 And I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature. I want to do what is right, but I can’t. 19 I want to do what is good, but I don’t. I don’t want to do what is wrong, but I do it anyway. 20 But if I do what I don’t want to do, I am not really the one doing wrong; it is sin living in me that does it.

    21 I have discovered this principle of life—that when I want to do what is right, I inevitably do what is wrong. 22 I love God’s law with all my heart. 23 But there is another power within me that is at war with my mind. This power makes me a slave to the sin that is still within me.

    But the answer and the cure for that nature is as Paul describes; “Thank God! The answer is in Jesus Christ our Lord.” who has freed us from the law and death.

  94. poohpity says:

    The book Andy Stanley is marketing is about how the scriptures are “Irresistible” to the believer.

    The definition of irresistible is; “too attractive and tempting to be resisted”. or “too powerful or convincing to be resisted.”

  95. jeff1 says:

    Thank you for that, Steve, I can remember my mum speaking of how difficult it was for men down the coalmines and this give me an insight to it.

    It makes me realise how soft I have it living in a town with all my modern appliances.

    The song was well performed and thank you for sharing a part of how you live with us.

  96. poohpity says:

    There is a big difference in a testament and a covenant.

    Testament: is the actual real experiences of people and then sharing those things thus the Old Testament and the New Testament.

    Covenant: An agreement like a lease or another legal contract thus the Old covenant compared to the New Covenant.

  97. poohpity says:

    “I pray for you constantly, asking God, the glorious Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, to give you spiritual wisdom and insight so that you might grow in your knowledge of God. I pray that your hearts will be flooded with light so that you can understand the confident hope he has given to those he called—his holy people who are his rich and glorious inheritance.”

    “I pray that from his glorious, unlimited resources he will empower you with inner strength through his Spirit. Then Christ will make his home in your hearts as you trust in him. Your roots will grow down into God’s love and keep you strong. And may you have the power to understand, as all God’s people should, how wide, how long, how high, and how deep his love is. May you experience the love of Christ, though it is too great to understand fully. Then you will be made complete with all the fullness of life and power that comes from God.”

  98. Beloved says:

    Sorry @7:41 is an unwarranted attempt to discredit me. I do not lie!!! But God knows the truth and perhaps someday the accuser will get tired of spinning half truths against me. But probably not. Bless you, deb, may God bless you and keep you, always. I mean that. I am not lying.

  99. Beloved says:

    Fyi you called it stalking because I said I would not speak privately with you anymore but on blogs. I was embarrassed when you said I was stalking you on ODB, denigrating me to the world. But I forgave you, recognizing your fragile, hurt and sensitive self. You remain clueless about common courtesy, and could have simply ignored me online or said Joyce, I’m not talking to you. That would have been the civil thing to do. I feel sorry for you, deb, because year after year you continue to push people away from you, yet the love of God in me persists in giving you chance after chance to change and become more vulnerable. It doesn’t matter whether you let me into your life or not, but you are here and so am I so God continues to pour His blessings out. Through me and others.

    Off to Bible study, have a blessed Day.

  100. poohpity says:

    Anyone who says they do not lie, lies. I do not have to try to discredit you, your owns words do that and they do not need my help in anyway. What does it benefit God or me to discredit anyone? Every heart is revealed at some point or another, all sin and fall short of the glory of God. You best look in the mirror about being an accuser and a false one at that. Wasn’t it you when I wrote my opinion about what a Godly person is like that you accused me of doing something against Steve, just needed as you often do to stir the pot of contention, just your M.O..

  101. poohpity says:

    Peter gave his testimony, the very one who denied Christ, in saying; For we were not making up clever stories when we told you about the powerful coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. We saw his majestic splendor with our own eyes 17 when he received honor and glory from God the Father. The voice from the majestic glory of God said to him, “This is my dearly loved Son, who brings me great joy.” 18 We ourselves heard that voice from heaven when we were with him on the holy mountain. 19 Because of that experience, we have even greater confidence in the message proclaimed by the prophets. You must pay close attention to what they wrote, for their words are like a lamp shining in a dark place—until the Day dawns, and Christ the Morning Star shines in your hearts. 20 Above all, you must realize that no prophecy in Scripture ever came from the prophet’s own understanding, 21 or from human initiative. No, those prophets were moved by the Holy Spirit, and they spoke from God.

    “Blowin’ in the Wind”

  102. phpatato says:

    Steve, I feel the same about Andy Stanley. There is something about it all that just isn’t settling with me. I have never been one to jump quickly on the band wagon of “it must be good because of who said it”. And I am especially cautious when it come to the Biblical arena. I want to examine, test and ponder, to see if it sits well with me before I jump.

  103. street says:

    relieved to agree that when Jesus signed a New Covenant in his own blood— he allowed the covenant of Moses to expire (making it obsolete) (Hebrews 8:13).

    New Covenant, an agreement with a weaker party with the stronger. an agreement where our response is to trust. not only trust, but to delight in the stronger, where we are made strong. not only to delight but to love, in Spirit and Truth.

    written has come across my screen lately. to write in the past tense. the law and the prophets written on scrolls. today we are told written on hearts. new hearts. wine-skins come to mind. made new under New Covenant. not with paper or scroll, but with the Living God, Jesus. even going so far to give a New Spirit in mortal flesh!!!now the fun begins in earnest! which will rule our future? our flesh or His Spirit. we know Who the Winner is. He rose from the dead, never to die again. increase our faith? 6 And the Lord said, “If you had faith like a mustard seed, you would say to this mulberry tree, ‘Be uprooted and be planted in the sea’; and it would obey you.

    seems to me the creation obeys Jesus better than we do. therefor, a cross to redeem sinners, forever. it was said of john that he did no miracles, but everything he said about Jesus was true. a true prophet.

    i saw some comments about being exposed to new words and thoughts. they are to be tested. i am reading john pipers new book. Astonished by God: Ten Truths to Turn the World Upside Down the chapter on the Gospel of Christ deals with these issues. but it would be better to find what God says about these issues in His Own Words. piper will give you his references from Scripture. be a barean.

    i saw a quote that said something like the person did not like controversy because it disturbs the peace with Christ? perfect peace in Christ, trouble in the world. you will not find anyone as controversial as Christ. yet He give peace and much more.

    thinking what have i been giving to others? what have i received that i could give?

  104. street says:

    However the structure of moral living, can never be obsolete, any more than the law of worshiping only one God. All of which are part of the agreement between the Hebrew people and God.

    this is true, but how is it to be accomplished?

  105. foreverblessed says:

    That is a good question Street!

    Since God always stays the same, neither will His morality change.
    So under the New Covenant, most of the Old Covenant Will re-appear.

    Love God with all your mind, soul and body.
    Paul says something about sinning with the body, that should not be so: since the body is the temple of the Holy Spirit!

    New Covenant, that which Jesus commanded us, and what the Apostles explained to us.
    ( Since Jesus did not seem to say lots about the sabbath, however Paul did extensively)

  106. Beloved says:

    Deuteronomy 19:15 (ASV) One witness shall not rise up against a man for any iniquity, or for any sin, in any sin that he sinneth: at the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall a matter be established.

    Civil and moral laws must be kept to keep some order on earth, until we get Home. And on a blog where words are used. Laws are good. Only God knew how to keep order on earth. I trust in Him.

  107. Beloved says:

    Jesus is our Sabbath!

  108. poohpity says:

    “And on a blog where words are used. Laws are good.” That is so funny because the laws of the blog were not followed so now there are no laws to follow but they were called guidelines to stop chaos and from hurting others. Similar to the Old and New Covenant.

  109. SFDBWV says:

    Street do you live a moral life? Or an immoral one.

    Who lives your life, makes your decisions, and decides your actions?

    Are they done so with God’s morality in mind or your’s?

    Moral living is accomplished and defined by our life and actions and a choice made by each one of us. Not only by fear of punishment, but because it is what is right and what is right is written on our hearts by God

    God always gives us an escape from sin, but the final choice is ours. In large part one of the petitions we ask of God in our daily prayers is to lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil.

    It is always going to be God that gives us the desire to live a holy life and the strength to do so, but whether we do or not is up to us.

    Hope that answers you question.


  110. street says:

    Love God with all your mind, soul and body.

    love the Lord your God with all your heart soul and mind.

    flesh and blood can not inherit the Kingdom.

    He answered them and said, “The kingdom of God is not coming with signs to be observed; 21 nor will they say, ‘Look, here it is!’ or, ‘There it is!’ For behold, the kingdom of God is within you.”

    yet we find ourselves in flesh and blood in a wilderness.

    He said to them, “Go and show yourselves to the priests.” And as they were going, they were cleansed. 15 Now one of them, when he saw that he had been healed, turned back, glorifying God with a loud voice, 16 and he fell on his face at His feet, giving thanks to Him. And he was a Samaritan. 17 Then Jesus answered and said, “Were there not ten cleansed? But the nine—where are they? 18 [l]Was no one found who returned to give glory to God, except this foreigner?” 19 And He said to him, “Stand up and go; your faith [m]has made you well.”

    Jesus our High Priest, Redeemer, Savior, LORD.

    what is your Faith In? the law or The LORD?

    we were divorced because we disobeyed.

    our new Husband removes our disobedience guilt and shame.
    proving He is not a deceiver lier and truly loves us. a True Work of God and not man. thinking do not awaken love till He is ready. waiting for the Bride Groom.

    love one another as “I” have loved you.

    getting to know Him? in flesh and blood in a wilderness. rejoice! His love is everlasting.
    the whole earth is filled with His Glory!

    if you can not keep up with foot soldiers the how can you keep up with the horses?

    2 Kings 6:17
    Then Elisha prayed and said, “O Lord, I pray, open his eyes that he may see.” And the Lord opened the servant’s eyes and he saw; and behold, the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire all around Elisha.

  111. street says:

    dear steve it has been proven that i have no life in and of myself. i am a dead man before God. i can not make myself alive before God and never will be able to.

    lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil.

    the temptation is to abandon God completely. to enter despair or hopelessness. much like when Jesus was in the garden telling His disciples to pray this way. they did scatter as the prophesy foretold, but Jesus came back and so did the eleven. and no one took their joy away. they did get trouble trials tribulation just like He promised. they also got true life. eternal life.

    my contemporaries could say they are dead. but i remind them even able still speaks and he has been dead longer. but these 11 speak better than what i hear, in this world. then again my contemporaries would not believe even in One was raised from the dead.

    i like reading quotes of interesting dead people on the internet. but the Word of God in Christ speaks much better than all of them combined. He Lives!

  112. jeff1 says:

    Because He Lives

    God sent his son
    They called him Jesus
    He came to love
    Heal and forgive
    He lived and died
    To buy my pardon
    An empty grave
    Is there to prove
    My Savior lives

    Because he lives
    I can face tomorrow
    Because he lives
    All fear is gone
    Because I know
    He holds the future
    And life is worth the living
    Just because he lives

    (Verse 2)
    How sweet to hold
    A newborn baby
    And feel the pride
    And joy he gives
    But greater still
    The calm assurance
    This child can face
    Uncertain days
    Just Because he lives

    Because he lives
    I can face tomorrow
    Because he lives
    All fear is gone
    Because I know
    He holds the future
    And life is worth the living
    Just because he lives

    (Verse 3)
    And then one day
    I’ll cross the river
    I’ll fight life’s final war with pain
    And then as death
    Gives way to victory
    I’ll see the lights
    Of glory and
    I’ll know he lives

    Because he lives
    I can face tomorrow
    Because he lives
    All fear is gone
    Because I know
    He holds the future
    And life is worth the living
    Just because he lives

    Because he lives
    I can face tomorrow
    Because he lives
    All fear is gone
    Because I know
    He holds the future
    And life is worth the living
    Just because he lives

  113. Beloved says:

    lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil.

    Thanks street, your explanation of this part of the prayer makes more sense to me now.

  114. foreverblessed says:

    “Therefore, I urge you, brothers and sisters, in view of God’s mercy, to offer your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God—this is your true and proper worship.”

    Romans 12:1 the verse of yesterday of biblegateway.

    Mayb this has to do with the following verses:

    Col 1:24
    Now I rejoice in what was suffered for you, and I fill up in my flesh what is still lacking in regard to Christ’s afflictions, for the sake of His Body, which is the Church.

    Phil 1:29
    For it has been granted to you on behalf of Christ not only to believe on Him, but also the suffer for Him.

  115. foreverblessed says:

    What morality do we have, I found this word from Paul:

    What ever happens, conduct yourselves in a manner worthy of the gospel of Christ.
    Phil 1:27

  116. foreverblessed says:

    The laws of the Old Covenant:

    Found in Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy

    That is just a small part of the Old Testament.

    Andy Stanley is saying, any of htese laws are only applicable for us today, when Jesus, or the apostles in the New Testament give light on them.

    In that way, a lot of the rules come back.

    As is written here: Jesus Himself not only names them, but makes them more and deeper:
    But I tell you, anyone who is angry with his brother wil be subject to judgment.
    Matthew 5:21-26

    I am sooooooooo glad we are not under the Old Covenant anymore.
    Especially being a woman. Imgane this, if we would still be under the Old, it was permitted that a man have more than one wife.
    That I find so unfair, so unreal. How could that ever have been permitted?
    It was of the hardness of your heart, Jesus said.

    1 Timothy 3:1-7
    Now the overseer must be above reproach,
    the husband of but one wife
    able to teach

  117. SFDBWV says:

    Good morning everyone especially you Street.

    Street I am an honest and unafraid man. I have and will err in my moral life, but I know I am forgiven because I will know I have erred and ask for forgiveness.

    What are you afraid of Street that you can’t give an honest answer and hide behind a string of babble?

    The lack of an honest answer to my questions shows me you were sarcastic to begin with in your response to my earlier comment.

    You may try and hide in your private life away from here, but your attempt to hide here isn’t working.

    So be it.

    I am not a lemming that follows others off the cliff in a slippery slide into the trap Satan sets.

    Mart asks if all of what he wrote resonates or don’t with us. My answer is that the Holy Spirit deals with us one on one, individually. Only the Holy Spirit knows when the time is right for answers to be received and understood by us. We don’t.

    Yes we do have a new covenant through Jesus of Nazareth, but it does not remove us from living a holy/moral life. “Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in Heaven is perfect.” Matthew 5:28 KJV.

    In fact read the Sermon on the Mount again and be reminded of just how Jesus wants us to “live”.

    You may think you don’t have to live a moral life as outlined in the OT, but when you don’t you continue to nail Christ to the cross, at least according to Paul that is.

    You may think you don’t have to live a moral life, but over time you won’t be able to tell right from wrong at all. But be warned, God will allow you to and abandon you to your sin at least that is what Romans 1:28-32 KJV says and Romans 2:2 KJV gives the results for.

    Viv I am glad you liked Patty Loveless’ rendition of “You’ll Never Leave Harlan Alive” with the pictures of what the coal mine areas and people of Appalachia look like.

    I think I will spend a little time right now with my music and God, both will make me feel better than I did writing the first part of my comment this morning.

    37 cloudy and wet this morning.


  118. SFDBWV says:

    That is Matthew 5:48 KJV, my mistake in typing.


  119. poohpity says:

    Of course you know Steve that one can not understand Matt 5:48 without reading what was said before that verse.

    43 “You have heard the law that says, ‘Love your neighbor’ and hate your enemy. 44 But I say, love your enemies! Pray for those who persecute you! 45 In that way, you will be acting as true children of your Father in heaven. For he gives his sunlight to both the evil and the good, and he sends rain on the just and the unjust alike. 46 If you love only those who love you, what reward is there for that? Even corrupt tax collectors do that much. 47 If you are kind only to your friends, how are you different from anyone else? Even pagans do that. 48 But you are to be perfect, even as your Father in heaven is perfect.

    The moral law is of no use because people break it all the time thus the need for sacrifices and the need for the coming of Jesus. The law of the Spirit is love. Loving those who do not return it or we don’t think deserve our love and love for those who do not love us in return. That was how God showed His perfect love for those of/in the world.

    How well you love others is the gauge of how much one has allowed the Lord to work in their lives. Andy Stanley paraphrased what Jesus taught when he wrote, “Your devotion to God is illustrated, demonstrated and authenticated by your love for others.” Not by how well you think you keep the moral law. Breaking one moral law is breaking the whole moral law for instance, “Thou shalt not bear false witness against your neighbor”.

    God brought “order” out of chaos. Can you imagine the chaos if a million people marching now a days with a leader who did not love God? We are to be order and light in a world filled with hate, anger, rage, rejection, bitterness, slander it is going on all around us right now in the streets and on social media. People say things they probably never would hiding behind a screen name, or being part of a mob/lynch mob/gang.

    A Christian is known by the love they show to those who do not return it, aren’t one of their close friends but because of the love God showed to us in Christ Jesus. It is by grace you have been saved not following the moral law because no one was able to follow it. If anyone says they can follow the moral law, they are deceived and are calling God a liar. John 8:44; 1 John 1:8, 2:4, 4:20

  120. poohpity says:

    If we obey the commands of Jesus which were; John 13:34; John 15:12 then all the others are covered because we have His Spirit living in us and if we listen to Him then we have the power to do so.

  121. poohpity says:

    As Mart rightly said, “Seems like our Teacher was telling us that he would send his Spirit to help us realize that (1) the world’s biggest and most costly mistake now is not one of the countless moral issues we could make an issue of— but rather not believing in and trusting him; (2) that in his absence the Spirit would now lead us in his love, joy, peace, patience…; and (3) that in his suffering and death Jesus exposed the original lie of an Enemy who didn’t want us to believe that our Creator only wants the best for us.”

  122. jeff1 says:

    SFDBWV says:
    October 30, 2018 at 5:07 am

    Mart asks if all of what he wrote resonates or don’t with us. My answer is that the Holy Spirit deals with us one on one, individually. Only the Holy Spirit knows when the time is right for answers to be received and understood by us. We don’t.

    What ever divides us troubles me until as Steve says the Holy Spirit reveals differently.

    Christ first, and controversies second, and so I will keep fighting the good fight with all my might but it really is God’s might as it is He who strengthens me.

    Fight the Good Fight

    Fight the good fight with all thy might;
    Christ is thy Strength, and Christ thy Right;
    Lay hold on life, and it shall be
    Thy joy and crown eternally.

    Run the straight race through God’s good grace,
    Lift up thine eyes, and seek His face;
    Life with its way before us lies,
    Christ is the Path, and Christ the Prize.

    Cast care aside, upon thy Guide,
    Lean, and His mercy will provide;
    Lean, and the trusting soul shall prove
    Christ is its Life, and Christ its Love.

    Faint not nor fear, His arms are near,
    He changeth not, and thou art dear.
    Only believe, and thou shalt see
    That Christ is all in all to thee

  123. poohpity says:

    How does one know if it is the Spirit of Christ whispering in our ears if we do not know Him very well because we can and will be lead astray by the one who comes disguised as an angel of light with all kinds of false teaching? One has to know the Truth and His teaching to be able to distinguish the source.

  124. jeff1 says:

    Poohpity says:
    October 30, 2018 at 8:47 am

    A Christian is known by the love they show to those who do not return it.

    That is not so in the modern world and indeed many non Christians show as much love as Christians so there is topsy turvy in the world today.

    If I am not under the law then I am led by the Spirit of God which draws me to love my neighbour as myself and that is reflected in how I treat others who come into my pathway in every day life.

    For myself I do not like it when people use bad language and crude behaviour but I say forgive them Father for they know not what they do as they are ignorant of your ways.

    I get peace for myself and others because I am living in a time of Grace which is God working in me to bless others.

  125. Beloved says:

    (1) the world’s biggest and most costly mistake now is not one of the countless moral issues we could make an issue of— but rather not believing in and trusting him;

    Martin Luther talked about reason being law. Today’s My Utmost brings it up again so I’ve been pondering Isaiah 1:18. Come let us reason together, says the LORD. He was talking to a remnant that remained after the bloodshed. I think this is so profound, seems the Law could do nothing to redeem us from our sins, (scarlet meaning in the Hebrew a double dose of sins, both original and those done through the will of the person). Reason needs logic to be effective. There is no logic in a God that would kill Himself to acquire mankind back to Himself forever. I think that’s why it’s so hard to die to self, like street talked about. Logic, reasoning, or death? I try to reason with God by He always bursts out of my box. Oh He’s exciting to get to know!

  126. poohpity says:

    Viv, you will have to take that up with God because that is what He teaches not me but you are right people of the world do not show that kind of love but there are many Christians living today who do, at least that is my experience with those I know who love the Lord.

    As John taught in 1 John 2: 15 Do not love this world nor the things it offers you, for when you love the world, you do not have the love of the Father in you. 16 For the world offers only a craving for physical pleasure, a craving for everything we see, and pride in our achievements and possessions. These are not from the Father, but are from this world…. 19 These people left our churches, but they never really belonged with us; otherwise they would have stayed with us. When they left, it proved that they did not belong with us. 20 But you are not like that, for the Holy One has given you his Spirit, and all of you know the truth. 21 So I am writing to you not because you don’t know the truth but because you know the difference between truth and lies.”

    1 John 4: We know how much God loves us, and we have put our trust in his love. God is love, and all who live in love live in God, and God lives in them. 17 And as we live in God, our love grows more perfect…. 19 We love each other because he loved us first. 20 If someone says, “I love God,” but hates a fellow believer, that person is a liar; for if we don’t love people we can see, how can we love God, whom we cannot see? 21 And he has given us this command: Those who love God must also love their fellow believers.

  127. poohpity says:

    Every single person on this blog has value to God but yet it seems people only value those who believe as they do and those who agree with them otherwise they are considered an enemy and are kicked around verbally. What does that say? Is that a representation of the world around us or a life lived in Christ?

  128. poohpity says:

    When people who disagree with each other usually they do not hate the person they disagrees with them or feel the need to call them names or slander them. Now that person who is disagreed with can and does take it as a personal insult rather than just another person who thinks for them self and does not go along with groupthink. People can agree with God and what He teaches if they know what that is and disagree with what is normal to the everyday person who does not know what God teaches but there still should be no dislike, animosity or hate from that.

  129. jeff1 says:

    Poohpity says:
    October 30, 2018 at 9:10 am

    How does one know if it is the Spirit of Christ whispering in our ears if we do not know Him very well because we can and will be lead astray by the one who comes disguised as an angel of light with all kinds of false teaching? One has to know the Truth and His teaching to be able to distinguish the source

    One has to have a relationship with Jesus to recognise the source and why the Holy Spirit deals and leads us on a one to one.

    Jesus reveals as He sees fit and not as I think I am fit.

    Will you walk with me
    Through the darkest night
    When my world goes wrong
    Will you make it right, will you guide my lips
    In all I say, will you walk with me every day

    When I’m tired and weak
    Will you make me strong when my mind’s confused
    And all hope is gone, will you take my hand
    You lead the way dear Lord
    Will you walk with me today

    Will you walk with me and ease my pain
    Will you walk with me
    Give me hope once again
    When my eyes grow dim
    Will you let me see dear Lord
    Will you walk with me

    If my friends should go
    When there’s no one there
    If I call your name
    In my dark despair
    Will you come to me
    Will you ease my pain dear Lord
    Will you walk with me again

    Help me find the strength just to carry on
    Teach me how to pray
    For it’s been so long since I fell on my knees
    And ask that you forgive all my sins
    Dear Lord please forgive

    Will you walk with me and ease my pain
    Will you walk with me
    Give me hope once again
    When my eyes grow dim
    Will you let me see dear Lord
    Will you walk with me

    Will you walk with me
    Through the darkest night
    When my world goes wrong
    Will you make it right, will you guide my lips
    In all I say, will you walk with me every day

    Will you walk with me and ease my pain
    Will you walk with me
    Give me hope once again
    When my eyes grow dim
    Will you let me see dear Lord
    Will you walk with me

    Dear Lord will you walk with me

  130. poohpity says:

    When I said, “someone has to know the Truth” I was speaking of knowing Jesus who is the truth. John 1:14, 17, 14:6

  131. poohpity says:

    I know how to have personal relationship with another human being by listening to them , talking with them and the process of learning all I can about them. The same is true in a relationship with the Lord.

  132. Beloved says:

    Jesus reveals as He sees fit and not as I think I am fit.

    Yes He does, He did it on a cross. I think the difference in relationship with a person vs Jesus is that He asks us to follow Him in obedience and truth. When a person asks of us what Jesus did its called slavery. who the Son sets free is free indeed!.

  133. poohpity says:

    In any relationship we have the ability to say no. Having a loving relationship with a person they will not ask us to stop being ourselves neither does a relationship with God. People who want people to follow them do not have the good of the other person in mind so it would not be a very good relationship to be in.

    Joyce you could also say that in a relationship with another person they do not live within us nor do they have the ability to do so. I wasn’t talking about that I was talking of the process in developing an intimate relationship with someone including God.

  134. poohpity says:

    Jesus does not demand we follow Him, He invited us to.

  135. Beloved says:

    Oh sorry I was responding to Viv. I should have said that.

  136. jeff1 says:

    Beloved, I believe that Jesus is asking me to trust Him more than He is asking me to obey Him but this is my walk and I am not being argumentative.

    Jesus has accepted me as I am and I am not in a good place mentally so I don’t believe He expects me to make mind decisions when my head can be all over the place.

    Consequently, I listen to my heart more than my head and He is not making demands on me but comforting me in my distress.

    God comes down to my level when I cannot get up to His and I am dumfounded as all my life I am told there is a stairway that I have to climb.

    My dad kept this poem by his bedside and now I read it in times of distress and I understand how it strengthened my dad as it does likewise for me.


    One night I dreamed a dream.
    As I was walking along the beach with my Lord.
    Across the dark sky flashed scenes from my life.
    For each scene, I noticed two sets of footprints in the sand,
    One belonging to me and one to my Lord.

    After the last scene of my life flashed before me,
    I looked back at the footprints in the sand.
    I noticed that at many times along the path of my life,
    especially at the very lowest and saddest times,
    there was only one set of footprints.

    This really troubled me, so I asked the Lord about it.
    “Lord, you said once I decided to follow you,
    You’d walk with me all the way.
    But I noticed that during the saddest and most troublesome times of my life,
    there was only one set of footprints.
    I don’t understand why, when I needed You the most, You would leave me.”

    He whispered, “My precious child, I love you and will never leave you
    Never, ever, during your trials and testings.
    When you saw only one set of footprints,
    It was then that I carried you.”

  137. jeff1 says:

    I believe, Beloved, that Jesus wants us to know how He loves us unconditionally and that seems to be too good to be true in a world where others make demands on us that can be enslaving rather than freeing.

    People put expectations on us that Jesus doesn’t and why living in this world gets exhausting and we long for our real home.

    I’m a Citizen of Two Worlds

    Jesus promised He was going to prepare us a mansion
    We’ll move in when the earth shall set us free
    Living on the earth but every day we’re closer to Heaven
    For we know that where He is, we too shall be

    I’m a citizen of two worlds
    And it’s hard to choose between them
    I live here but my home you cannot see
    I’m a citizen of Heaven
    Where I’m going to have a mansion
    My real home right now is calling me

    Sometimes now it seems that I ain’t feeling home where I’m living
    Sometimes I just wanna pack and move away
    I’m just like old Pa’
    I’m in a straight between going and staying
    (but you know what)
    I’ll keep working for my Lord till I move away

  138. street says:

    Street do you live a moral life? Or an immoral one.

    i would have to say an immoral one on the basis of sin.

    the interesting thing is God saves sinners on the basis of the cross and resurrection of Christ . not only that, God imputes the perfect obedience, life of Christ, righteousness, to my account, reconciled. therefor a gospel of reconciliation.

    i know i am a creature and not God. incapable of making my will or choices stand in a fallen world. if i could i would have something to boast about. paul understood he was nothing without Christ, at best an unprofitable servant. paul does speak about boasting in the New Testament and worth a closer look. mostly in God working in others which gave him comfort and encouragement. including shared suffering.

    a string of babble…..

    it is my understanding that preachers try sticking to one point in a sermon and focus on it. i understand the scripture is like a seamless garment. my goal is to know the whole and how it relates to the whole. not that i am try to build a system of theology as others have tried and found parts left over. the idea is to string parts together by faith. not that i am creating anything, but see better in Christ. the mirror is goa with Christ. not that i have arrived, but my hope continues and love begins/remains.

  139. Beloved says:

    Systematic theology was taught by Grudem at my college. No one including myself found it fully satisfying. Sola Scriptura, one of the 5, scripture alone! As you mentioned, street, I too love to read dead saints. My very first devotional, Joy and Strength by Mary Wilder Tilleston I got from Ruth Graham and loved it.I was led to My Utmost which taught me to start really looking at my personal relationship with Christ in a way I’d never understood before, and am still learning about. I guess you could say I went from seeking help for a broken heart to learning with my mind there are more benefits He offers after taking up my mat, and walking. With a limp of course but oh so blessed. Bless the LORD, oh my soul, and forget not all His benefits..

  140. Beloved says:

    Psalm 103:1-5 The Message (MSG)
    A David Psalm
    103 1-2 O my soul, bless God.
    From head to toe, I’ll bless his holy name!
    O my soul, bless God,
    don’t forget a single blessing!

    3-5 He forgives your sins—every one.
    He heals your diseases—every one.
    He redeems you from hell—saves your life!
    He crowns you with love and mercy—a paradise crown.
    He wraps you in goodness—beauty eternal.
    He renews your youth—you’re always young in his presence.

  141. foreverblessed says:

    Thanks you Beloved. That is already the Gospel in the Psalms.

    Street, I want to congratulate you for your courteous reply.
    Very good example of showing that you are not offended.
    And if you were you have sorted it out with Jesus before you answered.
    Todays ODB is from Mart: agreeing to disagree!

    Very very good example for many of us!

  142. Beloved says:

    Thanks forever for sending me to ODB. Very good indeed!

  143. foreverblessed says:

    Dear Steve, I am really very concerned about you. Please try to find rest in Christ, I beg you….
    Please relax!

    You yourself have already shown that you go far beyond the golden rule:

    Love others AS yourself,

    In your life you have shown that you live according to the New Command Jesus has given:

    Love others as I have loved you.

    So, deep down you already follow the “morality” of the New Covenant.

    As, I think Jeff brought it up to remind us of what Mart said, the New Covenant is not so much about morality, but more about the core problem of humans,
    They do not trust God.

    The fall of man, humans have decided to decide for themselves what is good and what is bad.
    The fall it the independence of God, the self-will of man.

    Jesus has come to fix that problem, we are changed to the core of our being,
    being reconciled to Him, through the Cross and
    as Romans 5:10 says:
    much more, having been reconciled, shall we be saved through His Life.

    The Joy about the Resurrection, the joy that we are Reconciled to God, through Jesus Christ.
    for before the law was given, sin was in the world Romans 8:13

    (I can’t stop here, must end in a positive mode)

    How much more will those who receive God’s abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the One Man, Jesus Christ
    Romans 8:17

  144. SFDBWV says:

    Thank you Street for your more honest reply. Obviously none of us can achieve living a fully moral life. As a result you see yours as being immoral, all of us might agree if still living under the Law.

    However since we aren’t, once we put on the mantle of being “Christ-like” or Christian we imitate Him.

    He, it is said, did everything pleasing to the Father.

    So if we are actually “Christ-like” then we do all (we can) that is pleasing to the Father as well. That is living a moral life.

    Will we fail? Yes we will, but because we fail doesn’t stop us from continuing to strive to be more and more “Christ-like” in our walk and fellowship with God.

    Just like the famous poem Viv offered, those times we fail Jesus intervenes and carries our load for us.

    I live in a real world where there is pain and sorrow, where when we get cut we bleed. Where there is heartache and disappointment. Where people aren’t nice and you have to work and take care of your family, because no one else will.

    I am not like the ugliness I see in the world. I try to be considerate, compassionate, generous, and more.

    Not just because it is “The Way”, but because in my heart, in my nature it is who I am.

    I either have Jesus’ nature in me or the worlds.

    My actions produced by my nature reflects who I am.

    I live in the shadow of the Almighty and my life should reflect that.

    That reflection should indicate that I live a more moral life than an immoral one.

    There is real life and then there is rhetoric and theoretical ideology.

    Don’t worry about me Foreverblessed, God and I have been on the road together for a long time, what works for me works for me, if it didn’t I would be looking for something else and He would be providing it.

    The subject here is whether or not the new covenant with Jesus Christ removes us from obeying God’s moral law.

    Read the first 3 chapters of Revelation and see what Jesus say’s to the churches. Under the old Law candlesticks were placed in the temple, in Revelation if we aren’t careful our candlesticks will be removed from their place in Heaven.

    If any of you think it not necessary to obey morality, then what is the opposite of it? If any of you think you are not to live by pleasing God, then what is the opposite of it?

    The laws of the land are adopted from the laws God gave Moses. God has written them on our hearts.

    So we instinctively know right from wrong.

    So you have two choices, to live life “right” (righteously) or “wrong” (in sin).

    I have made my choice, you can make yours.

    Like eating too much dinner, I am full of this subject and am leaving the table.


  145. jeff1 says:

    foreverblessed says:
    October 31, 2018 at 3:23 am

    Dear Steve, I am really very concerned about you. Please try to find rest in Christ, I beg you….
    Please relax!

    Forever, I am not saying this to disagree but of all the participants here I have always believed that Steve is the one who does rest in Christ with great ease.

    For myself I have a disturbed mind which I expect comes from a childhood that was traumatic when I look back at it.
    Therefor my peace can be disturbed when my mind is wandering and loosing focus.

    I think that shows that what we perceive from others says more about ourselves than it does the other person.

    I think Steve is right in that our personal relationship with Jesus has to come before our attention to controversies that may be more divisive at a time when we need unity in Christ and nothing should distract us from achieving that which includes our disagreements which have been around longer than any of us here and only God holds the answers to them.

    I have lived in a country were division has been disastrous and so I believe that putting Jesus first means putting everything else secondary which is whatever I disagree on with other believers.

    Jesus says come as ‘I/We am/are’ and He gives us all rest so let us not be ‘picky’ with others when God is not ‘picky’ with me/us and we might just please God and not myself/ourselves for a change.

    Please know I am not meaning to offend, Forever, but just saying it as I see it and it’s just my thinking that it would please God if we made a better effort to get along with our differences rather than focusing too much on them and allowing it to distract us from Jesus.

  146. foreverblessed says:

    Dear Jeff, and dear Steve, but Steve has left the table, this topic, so probably he will not read this.
    I should not worry about Steve, but I did not like his reaction to Street, in fact I found it inappropriate!

    Steve asks just (above):
    “If any of you think it not necessary to obey morality, then what is the opposite of it? If any of you think you are not to live by pleasing God, then what is the opposite of it? ”

    So this question is not relevant! This is the wrong question:
    The point was:
    we as being grown-ups, the bible for grown-ups,
    we who have embraced Jesus as our Savior,
    we, as those who have killed the old man
    we, as those who have died on the Cross with Jesus,
    We who believe we are raised to life with Jesus,
    we who live in the power of the Resurrected life of Jesus
    We who are guided by the Holy Spirit,

    That is the we who live under the New Covenant, to those it is said: lets unhitch from the old covenant.

    And that when somebody asks you: Are you now living an immoral life?
    Then I have to step back, and say: Wait a minute, I have lust said that I follow Jesus, did Jesus anywhere say that I could live an immoral life?
    Did Jesus say to the woman cought in adultery, go on with your old life?
    Did He say to the thief on the cross, you can live in paradise and go on stealing?
    Why do we not believe in Jesus, and what is more:
    Why do we not TRUST Jesus more, that He is living in us, and when we obey what He reveals to us, that the Holy Spirit will change us, and conquer sin in us.
    Each and everyone has his own sins to conquer, to the one it is fear, to the other it is self-sufficiency, to the next it is greed.

    But Jesus changes us from inside out, and gives strenght in our hearts, we are to believe in what He says about us:

    I am your Strenght when you are weak,
    I am your Lover when you do not feel accepted
    I am your Friend when you think the group is up against you.

  147. foreverblessed says:

    Years ago, when we had Gary, I said once that I was not under the law.
    And the first thing he asked was: SO you can sin?

    Wow, he had not read what I have said all these years about following Jesus in faith.
    How can I fall back into sin when I follow Jesus?
    Why react in such a way?

    Does it not show that as a christian many still hang on to the Old Covenant?
    And does it not show they do not see what the New Covenant is all about.
    That it is very radical, and goes way beyond the morality of the Old Covenant!

    But, as I said, Steve does follow the Platinum rule, as Andy calls the New Command of Jesus.

  148. foreverblessed says:

    Golden rule: Love God above all, love others as yourself.

    Platinum rule:
    Love God above all, love others as Jesus has loved you.

    The morality in all you do is: How has Jesus dealt with me in such and such event, so that is how I should deal with my neighbour.

    That’s all!!!

  149. poohpity says:

    What if the Lord is not our primary focus, it is not Him that we start our day with but the local newspaper or the morning news on TV? We start our day with what is most important to us whatever that may be. How do we really know what please the Lord unless we have learned what that may be? Where do we learn that from? Then is it really our business what others do or what we ourselves do first? Do I really trust in God or what I am able to do in my own strength to please Him?

    Do I allow the Holy Spirit to work through me by taking a pause and ask for His help to love Him, then to love others or do I take it on myself and take pride in my morality so that I can look down on others? Do I ask myself is what I am going to do or say coming from me or the working of the Holy Spirit. If it is from the Holy Spirit then it will reflect; humility, love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control of his Spirit but if not then will it reflect my flesh; anger, slander, chaos, self righteousness, pride, lust, jealousy, idol worship(that includes idolizing people), selfish ambition?

    That is why Paul taught us from his experience with Christ; I’ll say it again. If you are trying to find favor with God by being circumcised, you must obey every regulation in the whole law of Moses. 4 For if you are trying to make yourselves right with God by keeping the law, you have been cut off from Christ! You have fallen away from God’s grace.

    5 But we who live by the Spirit eagerly wait to receive by faith the righteousness God has promised to us. 6 For when we place our faith in Christ Jesus, there is no benefit in being circumcised or being uncircumcised(representing following the moral law). What is important is faith expressing itself in love.

    So we can ask ourselves do I trust in myself and what I can do because God has never answered my prayers the way I wanted Him to nor does He do things they way I want Him to? Is God this far off entity that does not care to be involved in my everyday life and therefore I have no gratitude but only grumbling and complaining with my lot in life? What has more power over me the flesh or the Spirit of God?

    Do I do anything everyday that reflects that God is first in my life or am I overcome with the world around me, the things I can see rather than what I can not see? Is my main desire to seek and search to know God better or to please the people around me?

  150. foreverblessed says:

    Now for those who are NOT a new creation in Christ:
    Does the Old Covenant still count?

    That is a question like this:
    Which position was better:
    a- That of the older brother, who stayed in the house of his father, and did all his duties, but did not have joy in life?
    b- that of the younger brother, who kept no law at all, and left his fathers house, and got imprisoned by his own immoral behavior, he saw the consequences of this life without his Father, and got tho his senses.

    The parable of the Lost Son, Luke 15:11-32

    As if to say: are they now lost because they do not follow the Old Covenant, or are they lost because they have lost connection with God THe Father,
    the FALL of men is still the same:
    Is the Fall of men solved in keeping the Old Covenant, or is it solved int

    I once had a discussion with a christian who said:
    The Jews have to keep the Old Covenant.

    She was adamant, they had to.
    What a useless discussion that is.
    They have missed their Messiah, He had come to earth, and they missed Him.

    There is now a New way of living, when they do not accept the Messiah, must we now point them to the Old Covenant?

    What useless discussion this is!

    As if the morality has changed under Grace, as if we could now live in the viles of the flesh, as if that would be OK. Murder, fornicate, steal, gossip, distrust, all of them are still wrong.

    But the bottom line is: The Fall: The connection with God is disrupted, and we need reconciliation.

  151. foreverblessed says:

    Is the Fall of men solved in keeping the Old Covenant, or is it solved int…
    solved in the Gospel of Jesus Christ, which means we point people to the New Covenant

  152. poohpity says:

    Gee Forever, now you can experience what I go through although without name calling, slander, false accusation, gossip when you disagree with what someone is teaching that is not in line with what we are taught from God.

  153. jeff1 says:

    foreverblessed says:
    October 31, 2018 at 8:18 am

    So what you are saying Forever is that if I have not unhitched from the Old Covenant or have doubts then the We’s don’t apply to us!

  154. foreverblessed says:

    Pooh, you do not see how much you hurt others. You suffer here because of your own behavior, that is critical, and judging. You do the same thing as what Steve did yesterday, jumping to conclusions about Street. The wrong conclusions. And that is why you suffer here.
    You do not suffer because you proclaim your faith in Christ, but because how you treat others here.
    May God forgive you, because you do not know what you are doing!

    No Jeff, that is not what I am saying!

    I say, that telling to people to unhitch from the Old Covenant, you say that to people who have accepted Jesus as Lord and Savior, people who have died to the flesh…

    So if you have doubts, do not go back to the Old Covenant. BUt instead: believe in Jesus just a bit more, or ask for more faith!
    Go to Jesus, all who are heavy laden.

    When you see that a person is not stable in his faith and in his walk with Jesus, you do not say:
    Unhitch from the Old Covenant, that is not the right timing.

    You say: Go to Jesus, believe more in Him, or pray that you may receive more faith.

  155. jeff1 says:

    poohpity says:
    October 31, 2018 at 8:57 am

    Gee Forever, now you can experience what I go through although without name calling, slander, false accusation, gossip when you disagree with what someone is teaching that is not in line with what we are taught from God.

    What I was taught from God was to put Jesus first in my life and all else would fall into place. It is not for me to disagree with other believers as it is harmful to the ‘Body Of Christ’.

    We are all followers of Christ and He leads and we follow but if I get distracted by others and their teachings then I am not putting Jesus first which is God’s requirement for me.

    How can Jesus change me from the inside out without my self examination and willingness to allow Him access to change me.

    If nothing changes it is down to weakness on my part and not a willingness on God’s.

  156. poohpity says:

    Yep turn it on me that always works right? I say to street that what he writes is confusing and I do not understand his point more often than not. I ask for clarification. That is not done to hurt anyone’s feelings and I hurt your feelings when I disagree about creation not to hurt your feelings but because I stand on what God says not any interpretation of a person or science. Of course I should have known that your disagreeing is done much better than mine, lol. When someone stands on the Words of God they will face push back especially from those who do not know God’s Words and attribute what a person says to them rather than to what is taught by God. So I do it wrong but you do it right, right? Oh my gosh how totally funny is that.

  157. poohpity says:

    Well Viv, if you knew what is taught in scripture then you would see that false teaching was confronted very often and in many ways but it was never let go to say nothing.

  158. poohpity says:

    Paul confronted Peter if you would like me to list more I will but it would really make no difference now would it because half the time when I share scripture you attribute it to me saying it then disagree when it is not from me at all.

  159. jeff1 says:

    Thank you for clarifying, Forever, I was raised in a church that’s focus is Christ driven and so it is easier for me to be inclined that way.

    Personally I think we should preach Grace more because as a believer I have taken refuge more in Jesus in my life then I have had a stable faith.

    Where do I get my strength from but Him, when others criticise and or condemn me (sometimes rightly) whom do I turn to for to feel Loved and so I get to see that He is my Forever Friend.

  160. jeff1 says:

    poohpity says:
    October 31, 2018 at 9:38 am

    Well Viv, if you knew what is taught in scripture then you would see that false teaching was confronted very often and in many ways but it was never let go to say nothing.

    I think it is about the manner in which it is confronted and the motive behind it that causes me concern.

    I know from living in a divided country that the wrong motives do not bring the right results and so I am cautious in my discernment.

    I have learned that God’s way is not always man’s way.

  161. poohpity says:

    In our political climate now with all the ad’s from the people running for office some speak of the good they do but then we have those who pick on every fault the opponent has, it is called mudslinging. The sad part is that people listen to these ad without ever trying to really look at what the candidates have done or accomplished in their life so far. They vote on emotion not on facts. But if a person wants to be informed in their voting they do research on the background of the person and do not listen to the ads.

    How do you know what a person is like by a 30 second comment on a blog when people put out their best front and do not share what their life is truly like? You can’t!! That is the same with social media people always share the wonderful things happening in their life and none of their struggles or faults or failures.

    Is your home filled with torment, arguments, name calling, anger, insults, rejection, fits of rage but then come on the blog and act like all is well and they have everything together? So it would lead anyone to have a wrong impression of what is reality.

    None of us have it all together. We all fail in so many ways. BUT Yet God loves us and I do not know about others here but I have a hard time grasping how long, how wide, how high and how deep the love of God is for His children ALL of them because I judge myself and think how can God have that kind of love for me BUT He does and when I even have a glimpse of what that means I embrace every aspect of it and try to share that with others. Do I have great writing abilities to do so, no, but I give it my best shot and if it is taken in the wrong way, it is not because I failed to try.

  162. Beloved says:

    Good morning, quite a day so far here. Reading through I agree with everyone here.
    We all judge things in our own way.

    I have felt the sting inflicted on street several times, but I know He loves and follows His Savior so it’s pretty much the norm for His followers. it helps me to check what street says with scripture; as he said, he’s learning his own theology from the life of Christ, instead of what others teach. He’s very bright and out of our league here, mostly, as God has given him a mind that thinks in more ways than one or two. Misunderstanding causes division, as we find in Marts post, but as Mart pointed out in ODB yesterday it need not be the case! But street doesn’t need me or anyone to defend him. I am so blessed by his input here.

    Is a change of mind or change of heart needed? I think they are connected. But as overly sensitive as I am I am always open to that blowing Wind, wherever I go.

  163. poohpity says:

    That is the very reason I am so adamant about pointing people to read what God writes not me. That is why I point people to Jesus not me. I have nothing that is worth mentioning but I have someone I love to mention.

  164. jeff1 says:

    Walk with me, Lord, walk with me
    Walk with me, Lord, walk with me
    While I’m on this tedious journey, Lord
    Walk with me, Lord, walk with me, Lord

    Hold my hand, Lord, hold my hand, yes
    Hold my hand, Lord, hold my hand
    While I’m on this, while I’m on this tedious journey, Lord
    I want you to hold my hand, Lord, hold my hand, yeah
    Hold my hand, Lord, yeah

    Walk with me, Lord, walk with me, yeah
    Walk with me, Lord, walk with me, yes
    While I’m on this, while I’m on this tedious journey, Lord
    Walk with me, Lord, walk with me, yeah

    Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
    Oh yeah

    Don’t leave me alone, Lord, no
    Don’t you leave me alone
    I need you to hold my hand, Lord
    Hold my hand, Lord
    Yeah, yeah, yeah
    Hold my hand, Lord

  165. Beloved says:

    Psalm51 New International Version (NIV)
    For the director of music. A psalm of David. When the prophet Nathan came to him after David had committed adultery with Bathsheba.

    A wonderful psalm of forgiveness from a most merciful God.

  166. Beloved says:

    Agreeing pooh, less of me, more of Jesus!

  167. phpatato says:

    Wow people!!! Is it because it’s halloween that everyone is coming to the table in a defensive sour mood????

    I will say to you, Forever, and to everyone as well what I was advised to do:

    foreverblessed says:
    October 18, 2018 at 3:55 pm

    “Pat, you are very welcome here. Only do not fret, study Psalm 37
    It is such a waste of time and energy. Just keep your eyes on Jesus. With God everything is possible only He takes time.”

    From where I am sitting, there was a direct conversation between Steve and Street. They both mentioned each other in that conversation which indicates that is between the two of them.

    Now pooh is pooh. We all know that she is a busybody with a capital B. She butts in on everything everybody has to say because she has an opinion about everything said. And to her, her opinion is the most trusted and most important and everyone should pay attention to it or suffer the wrath of an ignorant, sarcastic hypocritical comment. So knowing this, we all just realize this is what we have to live with, as long as pooh is here. But……

    When a conversation is between two people, perhaps we can interject with *a* comment of support for one or the other in that conversation, but to make it our business to get completely involved with it? It’s none of our business to come in between them. In other words, we shouldn’t follow pooh’s example by becoming a busybody. Liken it to us all being in a room together. We are sitting in our comfy chairs with a coffee/tea/hot chocolate in our hand, enjoying each others’ company and having a friendly conversation. Then two begin to take up a line of thought between them and move to a corner to discuss it. Is it our place to walk up, butt in on where they are standing to push our opinion on them? Or do we just touch the shoulder of the one we are agreeing with as encouragement and then walk on past.

    I’m sorry if this offends anybody, but it is with love that I am hopefully pointing out how these comments over the last couple of days are coming with the hint of frustration and anger attached to them.

    We are better than this. As brothers and sisters in Christ, we are.

    Love to all.

  168. foreverblessed says:

    Dear Pat! This reaction of Steve to Street, I do Note fret about it. Neither am I angry about it, I love Steve dearly, for as much as you can say that about having only communicate, on paper, so as to speak.
    But I wanted to say, please dont jump to conclusions ( spelling), we have enough of that overhere. And I was suprised Steve acted like that.

    This Covenant thing is really aggravating him.
    No nice talk over coffee, about 2 Cor 3, for him.
    He has drawn a line.

    Please keep it friendly, respectfully.
    Yes, and that scripture is also for me:
    Do not fret…
    Pray for them

  169. Beloved says:

    Mart said:

    Father, please enable us to be patient and kind with those who don’t agree with us about anything or everything.


  170. Beloved says:

    Pat I am not feeling anger or frustration. Peaceful, actually. But thank you for your love! That struck me so I looked it up. It’s wonderful!
    Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
    I’m still learning. Blessings, Joyce

  171. Beloved says:

    As for troubles, take it to God, we who are born again know where to find Him! Job says: “Oh, that I knew where I might find him, that I might come even to his seat! I would lay my case before him and fill my mouth with arguments.” Job 23:3-4

    He really wants to hear from us so we can receive the graces, mercy, peace and gifts of wisdom He has. Amen.

  172. Beloved says:


    When there were troubles with the blog a while ago for a short time after they were cleared up I started receiving email notifications of posters and new subjects, but they have stopped, and when I hit submit i get a notice of “wrong email address”, and I have to refresh each time. Am I doing something wrong? Tried different servers, the same thing. Thanks for the help. Joyce

  173. foreverblessed says:

    Than you Beloved, that was very courteous of you!

    Yes, Pat, I dearly love you, and thank you for your advice to me, not to interfere.
    I might say, I did not agree. Sorry for not agreeing. I had typos, I did not fret about Steve! Just suprise!

    And about Pooh, tons and tons of love poured out over her,
    And a bit of christian maturity too, please a bit soon, I pray in Jesus’ name!

  174. Beloved says:


  175. phpatato says:

    Dearest Forever

    Respectfully, I am not jumping to any conclusions. I bet I am not the only one who can sense just how tense the comments have been these last couple of days.

    Passion. I love to see passion in people. I wish more of us had the passion you so plainly wear. You are very passionate when you say the old covenant no longer applies and you are so very passionate on what the new Covenant has brought. You lived the old. You speak from experience. You KNOW the difference between keeping the laws and living under Grace.

    You forge out with great passion in your testimony, part of which is what your life experiences have taught you. You have much that should be shared! And you share it so wonderfully. And lovingly. And respectfully. I love you Dearest Sister.

    It should be kept in mind though that we are all made differently. Some of us are made daredevils; who have no fear of jumping. Perhaps they possess a far greater trust level knowing that God will keep them safe no matter how hard or soft they land; Because they have jumped before to know that God will NEVER let them down.

    But some of us are made a little more cautious. We feel more comfortable knowing where it is we are going to jump, first. And even then, there are some who need a gentle nudge by Him. And I say that about myself. Well okay, I need more than a gentle nudge sometimes. Most times. Okay I’ve been given a shove more times than I care to admit. lol

    But humour aside…..

    We are all different. Respect and yes perhaps patience are key to living peaceably with each other. We are comprised of different parts, functioning together in the Body of Christ.

    The last few topics have been about the Old Covenant and the New Covenant and Unhitching. Andy Stanley has, in a sense, unhitched himself from the Old Covenant, and climbed on the train called Irresistible – the New Covenant. Many it seems, have followed suit – to unhitch themselves as well to climb onboard with him. And that isn’t a bad thing. It’s just a different track with different stops. But there are those who are a little more cautious to unhitch themselves from what has become the *familiar and safe* old train. They want to see where the new train is headed and if the stops along the way are ones they should be visiting. And that isn’t a bad thing either.

    Because, all we have to do is wave at each other and yell out God Speed! One day, in the not so distant future, we will all catch up!!


  176. foreverblessed says:

    Dear Pat, you drove me almost to tears, so beautiful you have written what you wrote. Of course, you are right, I have had such a weird experience, in that fundamentalistic church. That is on a side note also an advantage.
    The Baptist Churches, the Adventists, the Jehovah witnesses, the Mormones, all have that same fundamentalistic gesture. And giving the bible a too high a position. So Andy, being raised as a baptist, has a stronger feeling in unhitching from the Old Covenant, than those who have been raised not so much fundamentalistic.

    Thank you very very much for your explanation, and yes, jump on the train, but you know, you are already on the train. Hebrews is saying: What is obsolete is soon gone.
    Many many more will see that it is really no big deal to go all the way in the New Covenant.

    The New Covenant is walking with Jesus, all the way. All of us want that.

    I am again on this site, I was going to my friend who had her chemo. But she can’t have me, she is vomitting. She is really ill from the chemo.
    Please pray for her, if you receive a prayer!

    I am for intercessory prayer too. God is working on our prayer, and sometimes He just does good things for those we have prayed, just because to show us He has listened to us.
    I prayed for the family of the old lady I am visiting, and instead of “fretting” about her talking about her grandchildren, I started to seriously pray for each one she mentioned. And just this afternoon, when I visited her, she said, her youngest grandson is now expecting a baby. His girl friend was considered too unhealthy to ever get pregnant, but now she is!
    Isn’t God good? I know He did that because I prayed for them, and maybe other familymembers as well. But this was to encourage me to go on praying, intercessory prayer.

    Love you all, and thank you very much Pat, hold on the the faith of Jesus Christ. As you already do. He IS with you.

  177. foreverblessed says:

    That trouble of “invalid emailaddress” is here a long time. It is a software problem, and Mart doesn’t know how to repare this. He said that a few months ago.
    Nothing wrong with you.

  178. foreverblessed says:

    Pat, that was really respectful, you very very much encouraged me! Thank you.

  179. phpatato says:

    Have a restful evening and sleep well, Forever. I know the clock hands are reading it’s dark there.


  180. street says:

    The wind blows, and we are gone—
    as though we had never been here.
    But the love of the Lord remains forever
    with those who fear him.
    His salvation extends to the children’s children
    of those who are faithful to his covenant,
    of those who obey his commandments!

    if it were not for Christ i would have no hope of Salvation, freedom from the wages of sin and a future of grace and mercy with God forever! let me rephrase that to include the present. faith hope and love.

    i understand i can not truly love the way God wants me to apart from a new creation. the gospel speaks of repentance, changing your mind, and trusting in Christ. paul speaks of not knowing anything but Christ and Him crucified! he also speaks of offering ourselves as living sacrifices, not dead ones. sure i am a gentile and was never under the old system of worship and i don’t think any of us were since the temple was removed about 2000 years ago and a new covenant inaugurated in Christ’s life and death by His own blood.

    let me muddy the water a little more…..27 “Then the rich man said, ‘Please, Father Abraham, at least send him to my father’s home. 28 For I have five brothers, and I want him to warn them so they don’t end up in this place of torment.’

    29 “But Abraham said, ‘Moses and the prophets have warned them. Your brothers can read what they wrote.’

    30 “The rich man replied, ‘No, Father Abraham! But if someone is sent to them from the dead, then they will repent of their sins and turn to God.’

    31 “But Abraham said, ‘If they won’t listen to Moses and the prophets, they won’t be persuaded even if someone rises from the dead.’”

    i don’t for one minute believe the Old Testament is irrelevant in the present age. just considering the prophecies that have not come about yet is staggering to think about. the stories give flesh and blood and finger pointing to the Messiah/Christ that we embrace. granted, sheep with their Shepard. He became one of us, staggering!

    1 God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways, 2 [a]in these last days has spoken to us [b]in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the [c]world. 3 [d]And He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature, and [e]upholds all things by the word of His power. When He had made purification of sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, 4 having become as much better than the angels, as He has inherited a more excellent name than they.

    we read the Old because God still speaks through it and man shall live by every Word that proceeds from the mouth of God.

    16 “The Law and the Prophets were proclaimed until John; since that time the gospel of the kingdom of God [a]has been preached, and everyone is forcing his way into it. 17 But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for one [b]stroke of a letter of the Law to fail.

    therefor, Christ!!!

  181. poohpity says:

    Why is it when one likes another they are fast to let them slide even if it is wrong teaching which many do not even know what that means or is and then also give themselves a break even when what they are doing is highly unjust and ugly. Hypocrisy? bahahbbhahbaa!!

    Even when someone has much to say about Andy Stanley when it is obvious they have never even listened to what he had to say in his YouTube video ““The Bible for Grown-ups—last things first” which is speaking about the resurrection came first before the bible as we know came about into being. Then his book “Irresistible” is about how the bible is irresistible to those who love and follow the Lord. Unhitched was talking about people trying to live by the law(old contract) rather than the new one ushered in by the blood of the Lamb. The saddest part is no one can really talk about what they do not know about but often do anyway, now that is very sad.

    This is only a rhetorical question for everyone to consider how foolish it is to talk about something and be passionate when they do not even know what they are talking about. Now that is just totally laughable and off the wall. Think about it!! How can someone understand Spiritual things without the help of the Holy Spirit, they can understand the flesh because they live that everyday so fighting, arguing, finding faults with others and anger are normal daily things for them. How can one fix a car unless they have been trained, how can someone do brain surgery unless they have been trained so to listen to people who are not trained in love give advice on how to love another when they themselves have not been trained, is exactly like those who give their opinion on something they have not even listened to, it is totally absurd and laughable but is very common.

    Jeremiah 4:22, 5:4, 9:3; Matt 9:13 NLT; Hosea 6:6

    What pleases God is for us to know Him, show mercy and overflow with grace so we can also share that with others. Satan is the great accuser so does one sound more like him then like Jesus?

  182. poohpity says:

    You know one thing I can encourage street with is, he is one of the very, very few that actually talk about the topics Mart puts up while everyone else seems to concentrate on the faults they find in others or spewing evil/ugliness or giving unsolicited advice in telling them how to live their lives or offering an opinion not based on any factual information. street does the very thing this blog was created for(discussing the topic), imagine that, very good job street.

    Oh dearest Pat, I do want to apologize for discussing what Mart brings up and if that brings troubles to your sensibilities I do not know how to fix that for you.

  183. jeff1 says:

    poohpity says:
    October 31, 2018 at 2:42 pm

    What pleases God is for us to know Him, show mercy and overflow with grace so we can also share that with others. Satan is the great accuser so does one sound more like him then like Jesus?

    Quote from C. S. Lewis

    Christ says, ‘Give me all. I don’t want so much of your time and so much of your money and so much of your work: I want you….Hand over the whole natural self, all the desires which you think innocent as well as the ones you think wicked- the whole outfit. I will give you a new self instead. In fact, I will give you myself: my own will shall become yours.

    Great Is Thy Faithfulness

    Great is Thy faithfulness,” O God my Father,
    There is no shadow of turning with Thee;
    Thou changest not, Thy compassions, they fail not
    As Thou hast been Thou forever wilt be.
    “Great is Thy faithfulness!” “Great is Thy faithfulness!”
    Morning by morning new mercies I see
    All I have needed Thy hand hath provided
    “Great is Thy faithfulness,” Lord, unto me!

    Summer and winter, and springtime and harvest
    Sun, moon and stars in their courses above
    Join with all nature in manifold witness
    To Thy great faithfulness, mercy and love

    Pardon for sin and a peace that endureth
    Thine own dear presence to cheer and to guide
    Strength for today and bright hope for tomorrow
    Blessings all mine, with ten thousand beside

  184. Beloved says:

    Thinking…poor Andy.

  185. street says:

    Luke 10:20-22
    20 Nevertheless do not rejoice in this, that the spirits are subject to you, but rejoice that your names are recorded in heaven.”

    21 At that very time He rejoiced greatly in the Holy Spirit, and said, “I praise You, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and intelligent and have revealed them to infants. Yes, Father, for this way was well-pleasing in Your sight. 22 All things have been handed over to Me by My Father, and no one knows who the Son is except the Father, and who the Father is except the Son, and anyone to whom the Son wills to reveal Him.”

    14 And if you are willing to accept it, John himself is Elijah who [p]was to come. 15 He who has ears to hear, [q]let him hear.

    16 “But to what shall I compare this generation? It is like children sitting in the market places, who call out to the other children, 17 and say, ‘We played the flute for you, and you did not dance; we sang a dirge, and you did not mourn.’ 18 For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, ‘He has a demon!’ 19 The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, ‘Behold, a gluttonous man and a [s]drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners!’ Yet wisdom is vindicated by her deeds.”

    14 “To the angel of the church in Laodicea write:

    The Amen, the faithful and true Witness, the [k]Beginning of the creation of God, says this:

    15 ‘I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot; I wish that you were cold or hot. 16 So because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of My mouth. 17 Because you say, “I am rich, and have become wealthy, and have need of nothing,” and you do not know that you are wretched and miserable and poor and blind and naked, 18 I advise you to buy from Me gold refined by fire so that you may become rich, and white garments so that you may clothe yourself, and that the shame of your nakedness will not be revealed; and eye salve to anoint your eyes so that you may see. 19 Those whom I love, I reprove and discipline; therefore be zealous and repent. 20 Behold, I stand at the door and knock; if anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and will dine with him, and he with Me. 21 He who overcomes, I will grant to him to sit down with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne. 22 He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.’”

  186. poohpity says:

    I so enjoy C.S. Lewis. You can really tell that his life is filled with the Lord. He has a great gift in writing, taking many lessons in the bible and making them palatable or is it just because he says them and so people do not understand they actually originated in the bible. Cause sometimes people mention the bible and it immediately turns people away but the way he explains it, makes it irresistible. Just quoting scripture and not explaining why one chose those particular scripture sort of leaves people hanging and asking WHAT is the message or meaning you are getting at. Sometimes it is obvious but often it is only plain to the person who copies them, the same with songs.

  187. Beloved says:

    Job 15:2
    “Should a wise man answer with windy knowledge And fill himself with the east wind?”

  188. Beloved says:

    Yep that’s me alright!

  189. foreverblessed says:

    Yesterday I listened to the last of the 4 sermons on Bible for grown-ups.
    I heard them all. That second one, I have written already here, I would like a short version, just for unbelieving youngsters, telling about the fast difference between the OT storie of creation compared to the other creation stories of all the ancient civilizations.

    Anyway, in the last one, Andy explains what it means: living under the New Covenant:
    THE commandment of the New Covenant is:
    Love others as I have loved you, and infact, if you dom, then the world will believe that You have sent Me, Jesus.

    Andy says: That commandment is not to be thrown into a bucket with all the other commands, this one is the Pinacle.
    The ethics by which we live.

    So if you talk about a morality, this is it:
    The morality of how Jesus has dealt with you, that is the criterium you deal with others.

    He says:
    -Don’t love others as you have been loved by others.
    -Don’t love others as you want others to love you. That is the Old Covenant law.

  190. foreverblessed says:

    How does that look like. He gives a few examples of the teaching of Paul, based on that commandment:
    Love others as I have loved you.

    1-Phil 2:5 In your relationship with one another, have the same mindset of Jesus.
    Jesus cam as a servant, He was not powering up. He did not come into a restaurant, and say: Clear a table for me, it is Me, Jesus.
    2-Eph 5:21 Submit to one another out of reverence for Christ.
    You do not submit to another out of reverence to the other, neither out of reverence to yourself, but because our of reverence for Jesus.Just as Jesus came and lifted your burden, so you carry one anothers burden.

    From that verse Paul goes on to husbands and wives, children, etc

    3-Eph 4:32 Be kind nad compassionate to one another, forgiving each other, just as in Christ God forgave you.

    You might say: That person is not worth forgiving, do you know what he did to me? Wait wait wait, that is the golden rule, but now we are under the New Command, do unto others as Christ has done to you. See, it says:

    As in Christ God forgave you.

    4- 1 Cor 6:19-20 You are not your own, you were bought with a price.

    Therefore honour God with your body.

    With your behoavior, with your body, you show you honor Me, that is what God says to us.

    And in my behavior I am honoring all the other bodies. That they may belong to God, now or sometime in the future.

    Paul is so clear, he says that the OT points out to Jesus, and now He has come, and we live in faith in Him, and our cues for living come from this:

    As Christ has done to us, we do to others.

    People will know that you are My followers, not because of what day you keep, nor what baptism you have, nor what your set of theology is, but because you have learned the habit of to treat others as God has treated you through Christ.

    He doesn’t finish there, there comes some more explanation at 53 minutes, that is about Paul:

    He authenticates the most important event recorded in the Bible.

    I write about that some other time, if you would appreciate that.

  191. foreverblessed says:

    Patt really encouraged me that I was so passionate about the New Covenant.
    And then Pooh writes: 2.42 pm yesterday

    “This is only a rhetorical question for everyone to consider how foolish it is to talk about something and be passionate when they do not even know what they are talking about. Now that is just totally laughable and off the wall. Think about it!!”

    About who are you talking here?

  192. jeff1 says:

    Forever, I do not doubt your passion and commitment but Paul was also passion about believers being united.

    I only have to look at the denominations in the world to see that they are not united and Andy Stanley may be right about the New Covenant but their are believers out there who are still very much hitched to the old and I know because I am one and lived with others who are hitched to it.

    I spoke of living in a divided community where it is not unusual to hear catholics say those protestants are going to hell or protestants say those catholics are going to hell.

    In my life I have seen hurt people hurt others and I have known what it is to be hated not for the Gospel but for being British as I watched my neighbours and friends murdered because they put on a British uniform and so that made them targets of division and hatred.

    Like Steve I have lived in the real world where nothing is black and white but there is 50 shades of grey and I am not talking of a book.

    I have seen young men cut down at a young age fighting in defense of freedom from paramilitaries on both sides who today sill carry out punishment beatings because law and order has broken down and man without God is not pretty I can tell you.

    I have to be honest with myself and I have failed to love my enemies because I know the destruction they are bringing to their victims and I cannot find the love in my heart for them and I cannot lie to God because He knows my heart and not that it is hardened but that it is in despair for those who carry out evil are not thinking of God or His ways because they are hell bent on doing it their way.

    I have tried to love my enemies, Forever, but today, when I turn on my television I see Godless men shooting their victims in the knee caps and their mothers delivering them to the paramilitaries because the mothers have been told by the paramilitaries that the alternative is that their sons will be shot dead if they do not.

    When I tell you I struggle to live in this world it is because of the ugliness in it and that my longing for heaven is indeed sincere and passionate because I am tired of the ugliness in this one.

    How does that make me feel, like a failure, because if the New Covenant is what I should be living then I am a failure
    as I have the faith and hope in God but I do not have the love for my enemies and if you are right then I am not pleasing God because I do not have the love in my heart to pour out to those who have broken my heart into smithereens.

  193. poohpity says:

    I was speaking of those who talk about the meaning of what Andy Stanley was saying without ever listening to him but it can also fit for those who talk about the bible without ever reading it. But it can also fit in talking about people without ever knowing them. It can fit in any area when people talk about anything they know nothing about yet weigh in or speak, out of or from ignorance.

  194. poohpity says:

    It seems to be the very same thing that happens on here when Mart presents something for us to think about. If they do not understand what he is talking about then usually they go into a whole different direction rather than saying they do not understand where he is coming from or going to. I guess it all comes down to whether someone can admit to not knowing something or understanding it and then trying to lead people to think they do, when it totally fine not to know things. None of us knows about everything but act as if we do, is very misleading, just another form of lying.

  195. poohpity says:

    When God asked us to love our enemies, He seems to understand that is way beyond anything we can do in our own power, no matter how hard we try. In those times we cry out to God and turn our hate over to Him. It seems that another way at least for me to love my enemies is to realize love is not a feeling but an action. If my enemy is hungry, feed them. If they are thirsty give them something to drink. If they are injured bandage their wounds. That is what I understand is showing love. Also because God has forgiven me and shown me mercy, I just give away what God has given me.

  196. poohpity says:

    Are we going to do it perfectly, NO, but we are in a process or a journey to reach that point at sometime with God’s help.

  197. SFDBWV says:

    A little late writing as a punishment it will have to be done between my duties with Matthew. As a result my train of thought gets interrupted as well as often the battles that ensue here may affect my demeanor and it spill over into my comments.

    When I said I was filled up and leaving the table, I meant that as for the subject at hand I have said and repeated what I have said enough, I am done with it.

    The reason I write now is because my position and my discourse with Street rattled some cages and I feel I may need to elaborate.

    If I had a personal way of connecting to Street whatever personal differences I may have had with him/her (???) I would have kept it private, but since this is the only way I have of interacting with Street then it becomes “public”.

    I apologize to everyone here for what seemed as my mistreating Street in my comments. I am sorry Foreveblessed that you are/were disappointed in me for what I said, but I am human and I too have a point where I get upset or angry just like most people I know.

    Street comes across to me as a mixture of being excellent at quoting Scripture and then rambling on with Bible quotes that have nothing to do with whatever being discussed.

    More often than not he/she will quote me or others and make a remark that too often sounds like sarcasm.

    Now I ignore it most of the time, but like I said before, I have a limit.

    Any of you who want to judge me for standing up to abuse are certainly welcome to, I do though apologize in advance if it offends you.

    And to you Street I apologize if my straight forwardness and honesty offends you. I have come to think of you as a he, but since you have kept your personal information private even you gender, I have been left to guess.

    I will try and do better in the future.

    My choices being I am less honest with people here and hiding my real feelings for the sake of sounding “more Christian” or being honest and allowing the “Truth” to set me free.

    Please all here be at peace.


  198. poohpity says:

    It seems that God never asks us to do anything that He does not give us the resources to accomplish it. God knows when we harbor anger, resentment, bitterness, etc. it does no harm to the person it is towards, it only harms the person who holds on to those things. It does cause a hardened, cold heart the more one hangs on the more damage it causes within us, so much that when it comes to listening to the Holy Spirit we can not hear any longer.

  199. poohpity says:

    The only Truth that sets us free is Jesus. If we think our opinions of another is truth it is only the truth as we see it and our perception is always biased in some form or another. The truth of Jesus is always filled with grace and that certainly is not the human kind of truth or what we think is truth.

  200. poohpity says:

    Jesus talked about those who have been forgiven a lot, love a lot. So the opposite seems to be true as well those who do not think they have done very much to be forgiven for because of how good they are, do not love very much, pride has overcome them but they can not see that. That was for those who think they follow the law but when it came down to the heart of the matter found, as Jesus revealed their true heart condition, was not true at all because they were not able to follow the law at all because just breaking one very small part of it was breaking it all. Jesus dug deep into our hearts, into our motives like a surgeon does with a scalpel to get to the very cancer that dwells in the very heart and soul of mankind not to shame us but to show us we have no room to talk about others and how much we each need His forgiveness, mercy and grace.

    1 John 4:10,19; Luke 7:47

  201. poohpity says:

    If one is rooted and grounded in His love, it will be totally evident on how we treat those who do not belong to our group, who do not agree with our thinking and those we deem as an enemy which is not a dying breed at all but very very common among those in the world around us. It does not show a Christian attitude or character loving those who return it or being kind to those who are kind back, the everyday regular person does that but those who are rooted and grounded in Christ are different showing love and kindness because that is what God did for us even while we were yet His enemy and sinners. So if one wants to be different from the world allow the Holy Spirit to work in your life by admitting His help is needed to accomplish Spiritual matters that can not be done in our flesh like trying to follow the law or trying to love others.

  202. poohpity says:

    “Live as children of the light. Embrace the way of love. When in doubt ask, “What would a forgiven child of the light do?” So simple. So beautiful. So clear. No instructions necessary.” – Andy Stanley

  203. Beloved says:

    Hi all. i recall Street mentioned he attended a men’s Bible study.

    Thinking of going back to journaling, I did it for years, mostly for spiritual formation. So peaceful sitting alone with God writing, listening, and studying scripture. I’m in 2 bible study groups so really have no need to spend so much time on this social media anymore, too much bickering about the same old things year after year after year. Will read marts new posts probably. Peace to you also.

  204. street says:

    dear steve, iron sharpens iron and sparks will fly. i truly expect to see Christ in the edge. thinking the sparks will catch wood hay and stubble on fire. a consuming fire so to speak. seeing my nick name is a concern for me. less of me more of Jesus.

    poo spoke of a surgeon going after the problem that is incompatible with life. Jesus went after sin with a vengeance at the cross for His beloved. we have not seen Him go after evil with a vengeance but shorty will. we have seen Him go after evil in the past. don’t be deceived sin is removed at the cross and a new Spirit given. growing maturing. Spirit and Truth grace and mercy in Christ Jesus. it truly is finished. back to the vineyard. some times it feels like a wilderness.

    as for my babble, yes, i know. writing better or bringing every thought into captivity would go a long way. the funny thing is i understand what i was thinking and why. communication is much harder than we think. paying back good for evil is not easy. paying back evil for evil never works. God is Holy Holy Holy. He is Good forever. Godliness with contentment is Great Gain.

  205. street says:

    I have to be honest with myself and I have failed to love my enemies because I know the destruction they are bringing to their victims and I cannot find the love in my heart for them and I cannot lie to God because He knows my heart and not that it is hardened but that it is in despair for those who carry out evil are not thinking of God or His ways because they are hell bent on doing it their way.

    dear jeff thinking of the barrier between light and darkness. even in the parable of the rich man and lazarus there is a barrier that can not be breached. in Ephesians we are told of a all barriers and dividing walls have been torn down.

    3 But now in Christ Jesus you who formerly were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ. 14 For He Himself is our peace, who made both groups into one and broke down the barrier of the dividing wall, 15 by abolishing in His flesh the enmity, which is the Law of commandments contained in ordinances, so that in Himself He might make the two into one new man, thus establishing peace,

    sure lawlessness is to be brought before the government, which has been given a sword for punishment. we have been given a sword too. much different. put on all the armor before you pick up the sword. thinking of david trying to wear saul’s armor.

  206. jeff1 says:

    I am too aware Street that fighting from whatever side it comes solves nothing because we had 30 years of it.

    Then we had those in power convince us that we should vote for the Peace Agreement as they had talks with the paramilitaries who were decommissioning their armoury and ready to go forward politically.

    We even had an American come over to oversee the decommissioning and yet 20 years on into the Peace Agreement we are watching advertisements of punishment shootings by paramilitaries.

    We have had no Government since January 2017 because our politicians on both sides cannot agree to govern.

    We are tired of all the lies that are told to us while men have suffered and died for a better country where people can bring up their children free from intimidation and fear.

    I don’t think any of us has the energy or the inclination to pick up a sword and just long for the everlasting peace that Christ brings rather than the short lived peace that men promise.

  207. street says:

    i wonder if tar and feathers would more christian thing to do than cutting off a limb or destroying some ones knee? seems like isis wana-beies. same mo. violates due process. sound like no one wants to change and they continue to walk from the light the torches they have made. Scripture says they will lie down in torment. not a happy ending.

    Your eyes are too pure to look on evil; you cannot tolerate wrongdoing. Why then do you tolerate the treacherous? Why are you silent while the wicked swallow up those more righteous than themselves?

    4 “Do not say in your heart when the Lord your God has driven them out before you, ‘Because of my righteousness the Lord has brought me in to possess this land,’ but it is because of the wickedness of these nations that the Lord is dispossessing them before you. 5 It is not for your righteousness or for the uprightness of your heart that you are going to possess their land, but it is because of the wickedness of these nations that the Lord your God is driving them out before you, in order to confirm the oath which the Lord swore to your fathers, to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

    6 “Know, then, it is not because of your righteousness that the Lord your God is giving you this good land to possess, for you are a stubborn people.

    His Name will be exalted forever! i hope you can find joy in that. i know i need to.

  208. street says:

    Help, Lord, for the godly man ceases to be,
    For the faithful disappear from among the sons of men.

  209. street says:

    “Behold, I have refined you, but not as silver;
    I have tested you in the furnace of affliction.
    “For My own sake, for My own sake, I will act;
    For how can My name be profaned?
    And My glory I will not give to another.

  210. jeff1 says:

    His Name will be exalted forever! i hope you can find joy in that. i know i need to.

    In my better days with all my heart.

    I Vow To Thee My Country Hymn

    I vow to thee, my country, all earthly things above,
    Entire and whole and perfect, the service of my love:
    The love that asks no question, the love that stands the test,
    That lays upon the altar the dearest and the best;
    The love that never falters, the love that pays the price,
    The love that makes undaunted the final sacrifice.

    And there’s another country, I’ve heard of long ago,
    Most dear to them that love her, most great to them that know;
    We may not count her armies, we may not see her King;
    Her fortress is a faithful heart, her pride is suffering;
    And soul by soul and silently her shining bounds increase,
    And her ways are ways of gentleness and all her paths are peace.

  211. street says:

    4 Then the word of the Lord came to me: 5 “This is what the Lord, the God of Israel, says: ‘Like these good figs, I regard as good the exiles from Judah, whom I sent away from this place to the land of the Babylonians. 6 My eyes will watch over them for their good, and I will bring them back to this land. I will build them up and not tear them down; I will plant them and not uproot them. 7 I will give them a heart to know me, that I am the Lord. They will be my people, and I will be their God, for they will return to me with all their heart.

    8 “‘But like the bad figs, which are so bad they cannot be eaten,’ says the Lord, ‘so will I deal with Zedekiah king of Judah, his officials and the survivors from Jerusalem, whether they remain in this land or live in Egypt. 9 I will make them abhorrent and an offense to all the kingdoms of the earth, a reproach and a byword, a curse and an object of ridicule, wherever I banish them. 10 I will send the sword, famine and plague against them until they are destroyed from the land I gave to them and their ancestors.’”

  212. poohpity says:

    street, in talking about the scalpel that is how deep Jesus digs into those who claim they have no sin and are able to follow the law, he opens up the soul down deep to prove that no one has any room to talk about anyone else and sometimes a person has to have major surgery before they can see or admit to the condition of their own hearts. He gives sight to the blind and opens the ears of the deaf. If a person is satisfied in their own self righteousness and self sufficiency(pride), that is a hard nut to crack it needs major surgery but Jesus is so skilled that when one comes to see their own nature they will be able to finally see the need that only Jesus can satisfy and offer, otherwise they remain thinking they are in control of everyone and everything even God.

    Hebrew 4: 12 For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart. 13 And no creature is hidden from his sight, but all are naked and exposed to the eyes of him to whom we must give account.

    14 Since then we have a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus, the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession. 15 For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but one who in every respect has been tempted as we are, yet without sin. 16 Let us then with confidence draw near to the throne of grace, that we may receive mercy and find grace to help in time of need.

  213. street says:

    steve i think this speaks to how we are to live.

    11 For the grace of God has appeared that offers salvation to all people. 12 It teaches us to say “No” to ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright and godly lives in this present age, 13 while we wait for the blessed hope—the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ, 14 who gave himself for us to redeem us from all wickedness and to purify for himself a people that are his very own, eager to do what is good.

    15 These, then, are the things you should teach. Encourage and rebuke with all authority. Do not let anyone despise you.

    i pray you never get tired of doing good and worshiping in Spirit and Truth with the strength the Lord gives you.

  214. street says:

    2 It would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck, and he were thrown into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones. 3 Take heed to yourselves. If your brother sins against you, rebuke him; and if he repents, forgive him. 4 And if he sins against you seven times in a day, and seven times in a day returns to you, saying, ‘I repent,’ you shall forgive him.”
    ‘And do not lead us into temptation, but deliver us from evil. For Yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever. Amen.’

    14 For if you forgive others for their transgressions, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15 But if you do not forgive others, then your Father will not forgive your transgressions.

    unforgiveness is a terrible place to be.

  215. jeff1 says:

    Forgive Them, O My Father

    1. Forgive them, O my Father,
    They know not what they do.
    The Savior spoke in anguish,
    As sharp iron nails went through.
    No word of anger spoke He
    To them that shed His blood,
    But prayer and tenderest pity
    Large as the love of God.

    2. For me was that compassion,
    For me that tender care;
    I need His wide forgiveness
    As much as any there.
    It was my pride and hardness
    That hung Him on the tree;
    Those cruel nails, O Savior,
    Were driven in by me.

    3. And often I have slighted
    Thy gentle voice that said:
    Forgive me too, Lord Jesus,
    I knew not what I did.
    O depth of sweet compassion!
    O love divine and true!
    Save Thou the souls that slight Thee,
    And know not what they do.

  216. foreverblessed says:

    My utmost of today is very good.
    Taling about legalism, we did lately. And this one is a good description of what Jesus wants from us, or rather with us.

    The Oneness with Him, that changes our heart, and our will becomes His will, because we so agree with it, with all our heart and all our soul, and mind, and we honor our body for Him too.

    He says: Jesus does not force our obedience. But longs for the one-ness with Him and out of that one-ness we live, and act.
    We live and move and have our being.
    So anybody who says that Oswald Chambers is a legalist, has not studied his words very well.
    No damnation about that, we are all human.

  217. foreverblessed says:

    Acts 17:28 that was

    The Old Testament is very precious to me. It speaks to me often.
    But when there is a commandment stated, then I realize, I have to sift it through the New Testament. Through the Words of Jesus, and Paul, and the other apostles.

    Isiaiah 56:2 Blessed is the man who does this, the man who holds it fast, who keeps the Sabbath without desacrating it, and keeps his hands from doin evil.

    There was a very warm christian woman, living in the Gospel of Christ. She had married a man, who was going back to the jewish religion, so Christ plus the Jewish traditions from the OT.
    afte a few years, she accepted that too.
    She gave me this bible verse, telling me it was really a commandment from God that we should keep.

    Now for this sake, I agree with what Andy says:
    Unhitched from the Old testament, in this sense, that our commandments are now New,
    The Commandments of Jesus.

    This is exactly as what Moses has written when he gave all the 6oo plus rules:
    Deut 18:18
    When the Prophet comes, listen to Him.

    Then I have to say, I hardly got biblestudies about what Jesus commanded,
    All though, Jesus does not force His commandments on us, (as what my utmost of today says) Jesus wants our One-ness with Him, and total agreement, because of changed hearts.
    But teaching these tough things Jesus says, was hardly done, the commandments were taken out of the OT, outo of the Torah, the first five books, because there ought to be much wisdom in them.

    And then just let lay on the ground all the wisdom that came from Jesus’ words.

    What wisdom did they want to find in the Torah that was not in Jesus teachings?

    That is the question.
    They, being the fundamentalists churches.

  218. foreverblessed says:

    Its allright Steve.
    Do not worry!
    But venting your frustration about a person is something that we can discipline.
    “Crucified by christians” a book that was on the menu in a christian conference. That in our clash with other christians, we see what human nature is in us.
    God allows these things to happen to train us, to discipline us.

    We have to fight that with all our might, not give into it.
    Indeed: Kill it.
    Gal 2:20
    It is very good to see what comes up in us, frustration, anger,
    Jesus says, that we come to Him
    If you see that as a command, but it is an invitation:

    Come to Me, all you who are heavy laden, and I will give you Rest.

    we have to do that a lot here. In all those years, I have seen that many are learning it, Joyce does, Patt is too. I am busy at it.

    Just have our focus on Jesus, He is lovely.

    I have had this long row with my brother. It is still going on, He has said sorry, but lately came back on it, with more accusations. These accusations were so weird, that made me see, that some people live in their own world, their own whiles, or rather, I believe they are really being blinded by many demons, who have lied to them, and they did not see all these lies, and they believe them.

    We are fighting, not against people, but against the evil world them keeps them in darkness.

    My brother is changing, one time he is in the light, and then the darkness overwhelms him.
    God sees him as being cleansed. When all the deception is gone, the real man, freed. God gave me a dream about that. So I can see through all the attacks, and remain calm, and forgiving.

    I hope I do not seem to be as a teacher, as a person who is looking from on high down on you. I want to encourage you, as I am trying to do the same things.

    God bless you very very much, you and yours!

  219. foreverblessed says:

    totally off-topic, so please anyone who only want on-topic comments, skip this.
    But I think that Street is a she.
    Laughing out loud, just some humor.
    I love you very uch Street, I like your rambling, you always have the New Covenant notion to the scriptures you seemingly randomly give.
    If you would have all these scriptures like Isaiah 56:2, Isaiah 58:13
    etc etc, well, ehmm.

  220. poohpity says:

    forever, have you ever given it any thought that maybe, just maybe God is working to “change you” while you are working so hard to change your brother or any other person “you think” should believe, act and think the same as “you” do?

  221. poohpity says:

    Mart said, “I’m intrigued with what Jesus meant when he said that, in his physical absence, he was going to send his Spirit for at least three reasons:

    The first had to do with a new way to understand our sin, the second a new way to fulfill the spirit of the Law, and a third to help us understand how the one who led us into all malice and mayhem has been defeated. (John 16:5-11)

    John 16: “But now I am going away to the one who sent me, and not one of you is asking where I am going. 6 Instead, you grieve because of what I’ve told you. 7 But in fact, it is best for you that I go away, because if I don’t, the Advocate won’t come. If I do go away, then I will send him to you. 8 And when he comes, “he will convict the world of its sin”, and of God’s righteousness, and of the coming judgment. 9 The world’s sin is that it refuses to believe in me. 10 Righteousness is available because I go to the Father, and you will see me no more. 11 Judgment will come because the ruler of this world(Satan) has already been judged.

  222. poohpity says:

    So if we still harbor malice and mayhem in our hearts then it is not the Holy Spirit who has taken us captive but the ruler of this world.

  223. SFDBWV says:

    Thanks for the laugh Foreverblessed and the advice.

    If I could have taken my angst with Street off BTA I would have, but left with no other choice it became a shared and public one. Once again I apologize for any I may have offended. Including Street.

    It is written how important it is when we have something against another to do all we can to make things right. That begins with confronting whomever may seem as the offender.

    I would have to say things are better now and as Street has said, like many of us before, what may make sense to us when we write may not get communicated as well as we thought.

    I have apologized for my honesty having offended Street and I leave it there. I have apologized for having dragged others into the matter and I leave it there.

    I could say a great deal more concerning the Andy Stanley matter, but I am just going to keep my thoughts to myself, the issue being too divisive and not galvanizing.

    Blessings to all today on your journeys.


  224. poohpity says:

    Yes please do not say anything more about Andy Stanley until you have actually listened to what he teaches rather than sharing an uninformed opinion on something you know nothing about which is the major reason for any divisions. That alone would benefit many readers. Very wise choice.

  225. foreverblessed says:

    pooh, do you think I did not?

  226. poohpity says:

    No I do not think you did or I would not have asked.

  227. poohpity says:

    Answering a question with a question is proof of that.

  228. foreverblessed says:

    God has given us a command what to do if somebody mistreats you, if somebody “sins against you”.

    The first thing is to let it go. How much I have wrestled against bitterness, I have fought that for years: God, I do not want to live in hate, help me to love this person. The same battle Jeff is fighting, not wanting to live in hate. That is a real and long battle.
    Tell in the spirit of forgiveness, in a spirit of love.
    wow, that battle is a long one.
    God uses us to confront people after all. Not to condemn them, but so as to save them from their hardened ways.

    There really are people, believing christians, who are very dominating, and who are pushing their own will on others, saying they have God-ordained authority over you, being a man, being the oldest brother. And especially in fundamentalistic circles that is so.
    (They have misunderstood the example Jesus gave, He did not demand His place of authority, He did not push His way on others. That is what I really liked in the last sermon of Andy Stanley, he did it in an humoristic way)

    God dearly loves these demanding people too, He gave this advise (out of Matthew) so as to speak to their hearts, that they may see the err of their ways!

    I have to listen to what the Holy Spirit said to me. And I shall repeat it here again:
    I was opening my bible, and it opened on Matthew 18:15-16, I read it, and there was an urge in my spirit, or mind, I cannot tell: “This is what you are going to do, you have done the first step” And not only that, I was also givin the strength to do it. Wiht the notion, it was not words, but a “kowing”

    And I have told him again, how he was, but in a real humble way, saying that I have forgiven him. He had asked me, “What have you forgiven me, I want to know”

    And that’s where God, the Holy Spirit stepped in, and helped me.
    This last weekend I heard from my younger brother, that my letter had deeply impressed him.
    (He now has the fight between the evil voices, and the godly voices)
    And when I heard that, it was as if the Holy Spirit was saying:
    See, I am working in his heart.

    It is God who is leading, the Holy Spirit is my guide, I am just telling what is happening here.
    Sharing it with all of you, as we are to love one another, but how we do that, that is a guidance from the Holy Spirit.

    How He leads, is not a set of rules, but the urge of the Spirit, and yes, the guidelines are really in the Bible, and this time it was the teaching of Jesus Christ, all written out a long time ago.

    But the Spirit made it alive to me, and worked in me.
    The Living Word is Jesus Christ, and through the Spirit is given to us.

    And I am rejoicing what God is doing.
    And yes in the process I had to kill the old man, the man that says:
    “Who does he think he is,
    How dare he treat me that way
    How on earth is it possible that people are so blind to their own deception”

    Yes, that has to be killed.
    That is why it is better to bless your enemies, fill it with good thoughts, hopefull thoughts, to go against this old man.
    Fill your mind with lovely thoughts, with mercy, grace

    In others words:
    Fulfil the “command” or urge:

    ” Finally, brothers and sisters, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things. 9 Whatever you have learned or received or heard from me, or seen in me—put it into practice. And the God of peace will be with you.”
    Phil 4:8-9
    putting that into practice is what I have learned in this ordeal.

  229. foreverblessed says:

    Steve thank you for your apologies,
    Apologies taken.
    Keep up the good work, keep up the faith, hold on to Jesus.

  230. foreverblessed says:

    Mart wrote;
    “Jesus promised answers that would come with the wind…”

    The wind blows whereever it pleases.
    John 3:3-8
    That wind was blowing when I received that command, or urge.
    How God is leading us, it is very very good. Mystical too in a way. You do not know what He is doing, He is in the lead, He is knowing what He is doing, and I should learn to trust Him more and more.

  231. poohpity says:

    Is disagreeing with someone a sin? It may be thought to be a sin by someone who wants to be in control but it is not a sin.

  232. poohpity says:

    Jesus taught if someone mistreats you as they did Him, to turn the other cheek which is how he acted when insulted, called names, accused of being from Satan and even of being cahoots with the devil. People can and do twist what Jesus says or taught to fit their own purposes not His.

    When John recorded what Jesus said about sin in His new way was that the world’s sin was not believing in Him. John 16:9 NLT

  233. poohpity says:

    God uses us to confront false teaching or a wrong Gospel but asks us to be very, very careful about confronting sin by saying only those who are spiritual to do so with the intent of restoration when someone has strayed from the truth. Those that are spiritual are those who know that they themselves are not above sinning.

  234. jeff1 says:

    1 O love that wilt not let me go,
    I rest my weary soul in thee;
    I give thee back the life I owe,
    that in thine ocean depths its flow
    may richer, fuller be.

    2 O light that followest all my way,
    I yield my flickering torch to thee;
    my heart restores its borrowed ray,
    that in thy sunshine’s blaze its day
    may brighter, fairer be.

    3 O joy that seekest me through pain,
    I cannot close my heart to thee;
    I trace the rainbow through the rain,
    and feel the promise is not vain
    that morn shall tearless be.

    4 O cross that liftest up my head,
    I dare not ask to fly from thee;
    I lay in dust life’s glory dead,
    and from the ground there blossoms red
    life that shall endless be.

  235. street says:

    if we were reconciled, made right, to God by the death of His Son, How Much More Shall we be Saved By His Life.
    a faith to faith.

  236. jeff1 says:

    foreverblessed says:
    November 2, 2018 at 7:55 am
    Mart wrote;
    “Jesus promised answers that would come with the wind…”

    The wind blows wherever it pleases.
    John 3:3-8 Open in Logos Bible Software (if available)
    That wind was blowing when I received that command, or urge.
    How God is leading us, it is very very good. Mystical too in a way. You do not know what He is doing, He is in the lead, He is knowing what He is doing, and I should learn to trust Him more and more.

    I would agree Forever because when I get disturbed it is because I am fretting or overthinking instead of trusting God.

    The big difference in myself and my dad was that he was incredibly calm and reassuring no matter how difficult the circumstances and whether they affected him or others.

    If I did not know him well then I might think it was a front to encourage others who were weaker than him but I knew my dad well enough to know he was a God fearing man and looked to Him for his strength and hope.

    When I take my eyes of the ONE who gives me strength and hope then I am very soon like Peter.

    While the story of Peter walking on water ended when he got back in the boat, Peter’s spiritual education and development continued. He did stumble a few times, such as when Jesus was arrested and Peter denied even knowing Jesus. But in the end, Peter was able to get back up and continue walking in faith.

  237. foreverblessed says:

    Yes Jeff, isn’t that why Peter is such a good example for us?
    Despite his weaknesses, it is the Holy Spirit who changes us inside out.
    The New Convenant!
    Praise God, Jeff

  238. foreverblessed says:

    The New Covenant!
    In Dutch we have a saying:
    Held op sokken
    Hero on socks.

    But through the Holy Spirit, this man, Peter, became a rock on Christ.
    The Wind blows where ever He wants

  239. poohpity says:

    The rock on which Jesus said, “on this rock I will build my church” was not speaking about Peter himself but on what Peter believed about who Jesus is and what He came for. (Matt 16:13-20) Jesus built His church on the Gospel the solid foundation that should unify His people through the Holy Spirit.

    When someone says another sinned against them I am curious if they are talking about being offended(which is not a sin) rather than a actual sin against them? The sins someone can commit against another are the external things like adultery, lying and lying about them, stealing from them but other sins against someone are internal like jealousy, wanting what they have enough to do anything to get it, the other sins as well as those are all actually against God first and foremost.

    When Paul was discussing going one on one to confront sin, then taking 2 or 3 witnesses to do it was because a man was having sex with his father’s wife not in secret but openly in the newly started church but no one said anything to them. So if we see someone committing a sin that will evidently draw them away from God, we go to them with a humble heart and talk with them. If it is something that has only offended someone then it is better to go to that person face to face so their relationship can be restored but it is not sin but of course that original sin of pride is usually in that when we are offended easliy.

  240. poohpity says:

    In the book of Genesis God tested faith! There was no law given at that time, just by faith they walked. Trusting and depending on God alone.

  241. poohpity says:

    Which seems to what Jesus was teaching in the new covenant because Jesus did say through John it was nothing really new. 1 John 2:7 Trusting and depending on God was from the very beginning of creation.

  242. street says:

    to bind us to himself, to bring us to his Father, and to free us.

    Does any of this resonate with you? Anything that doesn’t?

    bind? free?

    the play on words. freed from sin and death. bound to joy and life. getting in the place of joy is like dying. we know the devil lied when he said you would not die. we also know Jesus said you would never die. do you remember the context?

    51 Very truly I tell you, whoever obeys my word will never see death.”

    52 At this they exclaimed, “Now we know that you are demon-possessed! Abraham died and so did the prophets, yet you say that whoever obeys your word will never taste death. 53 Are you greater than our father Abraham? He died, and so did the prophets. Who do you think you are?”

    25 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me will live, even though they die; 26 and whoever lives by believing in me will never die. Do you believe this?”

    27 “Yes, Lord,” she replied, “I believe that you are the Messiah, the Son of God, who is to come into the world.”

  243. poohpity says:

    So when a person says someone has sinned against them is it really sin they have committed or just injured their pride? Also when someone accuses another of following the devil are they really or is it because they actually do not know God well enough to see His work manifested? We have to be very careful because after all we do not have the ability to know someone’s heart underneath all the outward appearances that maybe deceiving in many ways so it is just the best thing to do to be aware of what is inside our own hearts but even that we can often deceive ourselves into thinking we are better than we actually are. Romans 12:3; “For by the grace given to me I say to everyone among you not to think of them self more highly than he ought to think, but to think with sober judgment, each according to the measure of faith that God has assigned.”

    How much faith do you have? Do you really trust and depend on God or on/in yourself more than you do God?

  244. street says:

    10 In his kindness God called you to share in his eternal glory by means of Christ Jesus. So after you have suffered a little while, he will restore, support, and strengthen you, and he will place you on a firm foundation. 11 All power to him forever! Amen.

  245. poohpity says:

    street, Jesus often refers to those who are in Him as falling asleep rather than dying. Our bodies do perish and decay but if we do know that we are more than the body that shelters us in this world because in this body is a spiritual being that will live on to gain in the future a resurrected body like Jesus has that was made for eternity. He was the first but not he last.

  246. street says:

    8 Stay alert! Watch out for your great enemy, the devil. He prowls around like a roaring lion, looking for someone to devour. 9 Stand firm against him, and be strong in your faith. Remember that your family of believers* all over the world is going through the same kind of suffering you are.

    Awake, awake,
    Clothe yourself in your strength, O Zion;
    Clothe yourself in your beautiful garments,
    O Jerusalem, the holy city;
    For the uncircumcised and the unclean
    Will no longer come into you.
    Shake yourself from the dust, rise up,
    O captive Jerusalem;
    Loose yourself from the chains around your neck,
    O captive daughter of Zion.

  247. street says:

    Jesus often refers to those who are in Him as falling asleep rather than dying.

    i remember paul saying i am crucified with Christ it is no longer i who live but Christ lives in me.

    he also said i know nothing but Christ and Him crucified.

    thinking paul was of the same mind as abraham. thinking he was good as dead, even his son was under a sentence of death. God’s promises are good no matter how we try to understand them. abraham believed God and it was credited to him as Righteousness. a belief that went one a three day journey and ended with a ram on an alter. a picture of what was to come. not only the death of a Son, but receiving the Son alive. no one will take that joy away. our Salvation is a lot closer than it looks. even if it tarry wait for it. thinking of Simeon an Anna.

  248. jeff1 says:

    I love this song by Elvis, a timeless piece that reflects the heart of God in dealing with His children.

    It Is No Secret (What God Can Do)

    The chimes of time ring out the news
    Another day is through
    Someone slipped and fell
    Was that someone you?

    You may have longed for added strength
    Your courage to renew
    Do not be disheartened
    For I have news for you

    It is no secret what God can do
    What He’s done for others, He’ll do for you
    With arms wide open, He’ll pardon you
    It is no secret what God can do

    There is no night for in His light
    You never walk alone
    Always feel at home
    Wherever you may go

    There is no power can conquer you
    While God is on your side
    Take Him at His promise
    Don’t run away and hide

    It is no secret what God can do
    What He’s done for others, He’ll do for you
    With arms wide open, He’ll pardon you
    It is no secret what God can do

  249. foreverblessed says:

    Wow, is that a song of Elvis?

    The Salvation is quite something more than just having the right morality!

    Gal 2:20

    “These words mean the breaking and collapse of my independence brought about by my own hands, and the surrendering of my life to the supremacy of the Lord Jesus. ”
    Utmost of today.

    My independent living, my own decision about right and wrong, at the Fall man has chosen for the tree of good and evil.

    Right there was already the New: the living in faith in our Creator, the Tree of life.
    The 7 I Am-s in the Gospel of John.

    And it ends in the last chapter of the Bible, with the city, the living water, the trees for the healing of the nations.

    And then, I and my fellow church members in the fundamentalistic church were talking about the following of the right rules.

    Just not understanding what the real life, the true abundant living was: a life of: Christ in us, the old man crucified, the new man cured, rejuvenated,
    Breathing the breath of life: Holy Spirit
    Breathing in every breath: His life

    I like the title: Blowing in the wind

  250. foreverblessed says:

    “And this is Life Eternal that they may know Thee, the only True God, and JESUS Christ, Whom Thou hast sent.”

    John 17:3

    Mary stood outside the tomb crying
    John 20:11

    She yearned for the nearness of Jesus, some commentator wrote. He had cast out seven demons out of her, yet His blessings were nothing in comparison in knowing Jesus Himself.
    No doctrines, no law-discourse: knowing Jesus

  251. street says:

    I think we’d also agree that the Son did this to release us from the condemnation of broken laws, to bind us to himself, to bring us to his Father, and to free us….

    from separation loneliness isolation fear despair evil sin and death.

    wasn’t the intent of creation the total opposite of what is now? we really sinned this place up!

    no life apart from God. Jesus is the only mediator between man and God, Who happens to be God in human flesh. The Son of God. no division in the Godhead like there is in man. therefor a Savior.

    to make all things new with incorruptible man would be a very happy beginning. thinking obedience perseverance faith working out in love in Spirit and Truth.

    the gospel is the power of God unto Salvation for all who believe. the gospel focus is the salvation of man and the Glory of God. Romans 1:16

  252. street says:

    Jesus promised answers that would come with the wind…
    Spirit and Truth.

    separated unto Christ, in a Holy Spirit, for the Glory of God.

  253. poohpity says:

    In the end times it will not be those who think they have followed the moral law, or knowledge of the bible and not knowing God, or how many faults you have found in others that will count, it will be the white clothing of good deeds one has done for others and our witness for Christ.

    Rev 19: Let us be glad and rejoice, and let us give honor to him. For the time has come for the wedding feast of the Lamb, and his bride has prepared herself. 8 She has been given the finest of pure white linen to wear.” For the fine linen represents the good deeds of God’s holy people. 9 And the angel said to me, “Write this: Blessed are those who are invited to the wedding feast of the Lamb.” And he added, “These are true words that come from God.” 10 Then I fell down at his feet to worship him, but he said, “No, don’t worship me. I am a servant of God, just like you and your brothers and sisters who testify about their faith in Jesus. Worship only God. For the essence of prophecy is to give a clear witness for Jesus. ”

  254. street says:

    24 “Indeed, beginning with Samuel, all the prophets who have spoken have foretold these days. 25 And you are heirs of the prophets and of the covenant God made with your fathers. He said to Abraham, ‘Through your offspring all peoples on earth will be blessed.’[b] 26 When God raised up his servant, he sent him first to you to bless you by turning each of you from your wicked ways.”

  255. street says:

    8 Now Stephen, a man full of God’s grace and power, performed great wonders and signs among the people. 9 Opposition arose, however, from members of the Synagogue of the Freedmen (as it was called)—Jews of Cyrene and Alexandria as well as the provinces of Cilicia and Asia—who began to argue with Stephen. 10 But they could not stand up against the wisdom the Spirit gave him as he spoke.

    11 Then they secretly persuaded some men to say, “We have heard Stephen speak blasphemous words against Moses and against God.”

    12 So they stirred up the people and the elders and the teachers of the law. They seized Stephen and brought him before the Sanhedrin. 13 They produced false witnesses, who testified, “This fellow never stops speaking against this holy place and against the law. 14 For we have heard him say that this Jesus of Nazareth will destroy this place and change the customs Moses handed down to us.”

    15 All who were sitting in the Sanhedrin looked intently at Stephen, and they saw that his face was like the face of an angel.

    7 Then the high priest asked Stephen, “Are these charges true?”

    2 To this he replied: “Brothers and fathers, listen to me! The God of glory appeared to our father Abraham while he was still in Mesopotamia, before he lived in Harran. 3 ‘Leave your country and your people,’ God said, ‘and go to the land I will show you.’[a]

    4 “So he left the land of the Chaldeans and settled in Harran. After the death of his father, God sent him to this land where you are now living. 5 He gave him no inheritance here, not even enough ground to set his foot on. But God promised him that he and his descendants after him would possess the land, even though at that time Abraham had no child. 6 God spoke to him in this way: ‘For four hundred years your descendants will be strangers in a country not their own, and they will be enslaved and mistreated. 7 But I will punish the nation they serve as slaves,’ God said, ‘and afterward they will come out of that country and worship me in this place.’[b] 8 Then he gave Abraham the covenant of circumcision. And Abraham became the father of Isaac and circumcised him eight days after his birth. Later Isaac became the father of Jacob, and Jacob became the father of the twelve patriarchs.

    9 “Because the patriarchs were jealous of Joseph, they sold him as a slave into Egypt. But God was with him 10 and rescued him from all his troubles. He gave Joseph wisdom and enabled him to gain the goodwill of Pharaoh king of Egypt. So Pharaoh made him ruler over Egypt and all his palace.

    11 “Then a famine struck all Egypt and Canaan, bringing great suffering, and our ancestors could not find food. 12 When Jacob heard that there was grain in Egypt, he sent our forefathers on their first visit. 13 On their second visit, Joseph told his brothers who he was, and Pharaoh learned about Joseph’s family. 14 After this, Joseph sent for his father Jacob and his whole family, seventy-five in all. 15 Then Jacob went down to Egypt, where he and our ancestors died. 16 Their bodies were brought back to Shechem and placed in the tomb that Abraham had bought from the sons of Hamor at Shechem for a certain sum of money.

    17 “As the time drew near for God to fulfill his promise to Abraham, the number of our people in Egypt had greatly increased. 18 Then ‘a new king, to whom Joseph meant nothing, came to power in Egypt.’[c] 19 He dealt treacherously with our people and oppressed our ancestors by forcing them to throw out their newborn babies so that they would die.

    20 “At that time Moses was born, and he was no ordinary child.[d] For three months he was cared for by his family. 21 When he was placed outside, Pharaoh’s daughter took him and brought him up as her own son. 22 Moses was educated in all the wisdom of the Egyptians and was powerful in speech and action.

    23 “When Moses was forty years old, he decided to visit his own people, the Israelites. 24 He saw one of them being mistreated by an Egyptian, so he went to his defense and avenged him by killing the Egyptian. 25 Moses thought that his own people would realize that God was using him to rescue them, but they did not. 26 The next day Moses came upon two Israelites who were fighting. He tried to reconcile them by saying, ‘Men, you are brothers; why do you want to hurt each other?’

    27 “But the man who was mistreating the other pushed Moses aside and said, ‘Who made you ruler and judge over us? 28 Are you thinking of killing me as you killed the Egyptian yesterday?’[e] 29 When Moses heard this, he fled to Midian, where he settled as a foreigner and had two sons.

    30 “After forty years had passed, an angel appeared to Moses in the flames of a burning bush in the desert near Mount Sinai. 31 When he saw this, he was amazed at the sight. As he went over to get a closer look, he heard the Lord say: 32 ‘I am the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.’[f] Moses trembled with fear and did not dare to look.

    33 “Then the Lord said to him, ‘Take off your sandals, for the place where you are standing is holy ground. 34 I have indeed seen the oppression of my people in Egypt. I have heard their groaning and have come down to set them free. Now come, I will send you back to Egypt.’[g]

    35 “This is the same Moses they had rejected with the words, ‘Who made you ruler and judge?’ He was sent to be their ruler and deliverer by God himself, through the angel who appeared to him in the bush. 36 He led them out of Egypt and performed wonders and signs in Egypt, at the Red Sea and for forty years in the wilderness.

    37 “This is the Moses who told the Israelites, ‘God will raise up for you a prophet like me from your own people.’[h] 38 He was in the assembly in the wilderness, with the angel who spoke to him on Mount Sinai, and with our ancestors; and he received living words to pass on to us.

    39 “But our ancestors refused to obey him. Instead, they rejected him and in their hearts turned back to Egypt. 40 They told Aaron, ‘Make us gods who will go before us. As for this fellow Moses who led us out of Egypt—we don’t know what has happened to him!’[i] 41 That was the time they made an idol in the form of a calf. They brought sacrifices to it and reveled in what their own hands had made. 42 But God turned away from them and gave them over to the worship of the sun, moon and stars. This agrees with what is written in the book of the prophets:

    “‘Did you bring me sacrifices and offerings
    forty years in the wilderness, people of Israel?
    You have taken up the tabernacle of Molek
    and the star of your god Rephan,
    the idols you made to worship.
    Therefore I will send you into exile’[j] beyond Babylon.

    44 “Our ancestors had the tabernacle of the covenant law with them in the wilderness. It had been made as God directed Moses, according to the pattern he had seen. 45 After receiving the tabernacle, our ancestors under Joshua brought it with them when they took the land from the nations God drove out before them. It remained in the land until the time of David, 46 who enjoyed God’s favor and asked that he might provide a dwelling place for the God of Jacob.[k] 47 But it was Solomon who built a house for him.

    48 “However, the Most High does not live in houses made by human hands. As the prophet says:

    “‘Heaven is my throne,
    and the earth is my footstool.
    What kind of house will you build for me?
    says the Lord.
    Or where will my resting place be?
    Has not my hand made all these things?’[l]

    51 “You stiff-necked people! Your hearts and ears are still uncircumcised. You are just like your ancestors: You always resist the Holy Spirit! 52 Was there ever a prophet your ancestors did not persecute? They even killed those who predicted the coming of the Righteous One. And now you have betrayed and murdered him— 53 you who have received the law that was given through angels but have not obeyed it.”

  256. street says:

    54 When the members of the Sanhedrin heard this, they were furious and gnashed their teeth at him. 55 But Stephen, full of the Holy Spirit, looked up to heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God. 56 “Look,” he said, “I see heaven open and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God.”

    57 At this they covered their ears and, yelling at the top of their voices, they all rushed at him, 58 dragged him out of the city and began to stone him. Meanwhile, the witnesses laid their coats at the feet of a young man named Saul.

    59 While they were stoning him, Stephen prayed, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.” 60 Then he fell on his knees and cried out, “Lord, do not hold this sin against them.” When he had said this, he fell asleep.

  257. Beloved says:

    7 When a Samaritan woman came to draw water, Jesus said to her, “Will you give me a drink?” 8 (His disciples had gone into the town to buy food.)

    9 The Samaritan woman said to him, “You are a Jew and I am a Samaritan woman. How can you ask me for a drink?” (For Jews do not associate with Samaritans.[a])

    10 Jesus answered her, “If you knew the gift of God and who it is that asks you for a drink, you would have asked him and he would have given you living water.”

    11 “Sir,” the woman said, “you have nothing to draw with and the well is deep. Where can you get this living water? 12 Are you greater than our father Jacob, who gave us the well and drank from it himself, as did also his sons and his livestock?”

    13 Jesus answered, “Everyone who drinks this water will be thirsty again, 14 but whoever drinks the water I give them will never thirst. Indeed, the water I give them will become in them a spring of water welling up to eternal life.”

    15 The woman said to him, “Sir, give me this water so that I won’t get thirsty and have to keep coming here to draw water.”

    16 He told her, “Go, call your husband and come back.”

    17 “I have no husband,” she replied.

    Jesus said to her, “You are right when you say you have no husband. 18 The fact is, you have had five husbands, and the man you now have is not your husband. What you have just said is quite true.”

    19 “Sir,” the woman said, “I can see that you are a prophet. 20 Our ancestors worshiped on this mountain, but you Jews claim that the place where we must worship is in Jerusalem.”

    21 “Woman,” Jesus replied, “believe me, a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem. 22 You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews. 23 Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. 24 God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.”

    25 The woman said, “I know that Messiah” (called Christ) “is coming. When he comes, he will explain everything to us.”

    26 Then Jesus declared, “I, the one speaking to you—I am he.”

  258. jeff1 says:

    A beautiful hymn that I heard today and wanted to share.

    A Make me a channel of your peace
    Where there is hatred let me bring love
    Where there is injury, your pardon Lord
    And where there is doubt, true faith in You.

    Make me a channel of your peace
    Where there’s despair in life let me bring hope
    Where there is darkness, only light
    And where there’s sadness ever joy.

    Oh, Master grant that I may never seek
    So much to be consoled as to console
    To be understood as to understand
    To be loved as to love with all my soul.

    Make me a channel of your peace
    It is in pardoning that we are pardoned
    It is in giving to all man that we receive
    And in dying that we’re born to eternal life.

    (Oh, Master grant that I may never seek
    So much to be consoled as to console)
    To be understood as to understand
    To be loved as to love with all my soul.

    Make me a channel of your peace
    It is in pardoning that we are pardoned
    It is in giving to all man that we receive
    And in dying that we’re born to eternal life.

    Make me a channel of your peace.
    Make me a channel of your peace.

  259. foreverblessed says:

    Beautiful song! What If these words that we sing were reality in our lives, in my life? I pray that God will work this out.

    Blowing in the Wind.
    We should not despair that we are not “perfect” as Jesus is perfect, but we can rely on the Holy Spirit to work in us, if we keep the faith.
    I believe that faith is the line through which the Holy Spirit can work.

    Already in the Old Testament, God told us who He was, in calling Himself the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
    Watchmen Nee has a good bible sturdy about this.

    God of Abraham: God the Father
    God of Isaac; God the Son
    God of Jacob: God the Holy Spirit.

    And Jacob was a real self-willed man, who wanted the rules of God to be applied, but he brought it out in his own way. God was training him, and came to beauty with Jacob.

    Blowing in the Wind!
    trust the Holy Spirit!

  260. foreverblessed says:

    May God bless you all today.
    I pray especially for Matt of Steve, and Steve himself, and Glenna. Tell her my head is doing better!
    I pray for hers too.

  261. poohpity says:

    If that is something Watchman Nee teaches I probably would not give a grain of salt to anything he taught. The reason being not only about them being representative of the three persons of the Trinity but about what is said about Jacob. Jacob was the deceiver who reaped what He sowed by being deceived by Laban, his father-n-law. Yes God was training him not to depend on himself but to depend on God instead but that did not happen until Jacob finally wrestled with God and prevailed meaning hung in there until the end, then God changed his name to Israel. Staying power, not giving up even when things get tough.

    Jesus taught about that in the Parable of the Sower that sometimes when things do not go as we think they should some walk away from God because their relationship with God to begin with was not rooted or grounded in Him but in and of themselves.

  262. poohpity says:

    If Jacob or his mum would of had faith in God then all the deception they did would not have been necessary since God had already told Rebecca what was going to happen regarding the twins.

    I find that same lesson applies to the times when I do not trust or depend on God and take things into my own hands to solve or fix. Most often things turn into bigger messes then they would have been just being honest and trusting to begin with.

  263. poohpity says:

    Slow and steady faithfulness to God results in blessing and good things happening. But taking matters into our own hands, wanting quick results often leads to more troubles.

  264. jeff1 says:

    Partakers of His Suffering
    By Oswald Chambers

    Are we partakers of Christ’s sufferings? Are we prepared for God to stamp out our personal ambitions? Are we prepared for God to destroy our individual decisions by supernaturally transforming them? It will mean not knowing why God is taking us that way, because knowing would make us spiritually proud. We never realise at the time what God is putting us through— we go through it more or less without understanding. Then suddenly we come to a place of enlightenment, and realise— “God has strengthened me and I didn’t even know it!”

  265. foreverblessed says:

    Don’t you see, Pooh, why the God of Jacob stands for the Holy Spirit:
    Despite the fact that Jacob was so self-willed, God came tot His purpose with Jacob. Jacob stands for the self-will of man.
    Maybe his morality is good, but he brings it about because of his own will. Even with deception.

    God sent him to Laban, also a deceiver, and there Jacob got his training.
    You can see that as the training we get now from the Holy Spirit.

    The God of Jacob!

    The God who in the Holy Spirit gives each believer in Christ the discipline that he needs tot make him a true humble man in Christ. A person totally yielded to Jesus, that is what Jacob became at Pniel.

    Through the work of the Holy Spirit!

  266. foreverblessed says:

    from my Utmost today, the one you brought up Jeff:

    ” In the history of the Christian church, the tendency has been to avoid being identified with the sufferings of Jesus Christ. People have sought to carry out God’s orders through a shortcut of their own. ”

    That also stands for the self-will of christians.
    We are like that, we tend to follow God with a sense of what is morally right.
    Not really having given ourselves totally to Jesus.
    I am on my way,
    that I can say: “I no longer live, but Christ lives in me”

    And besides, God wants us to get to know Jesus very well, before we do.
    That is why I also like the quideline:
    What Jesus has done to me, I do unto others.

    It focusses my attention to what Jesus has done for me.
    And that is quite awesome.
    To begin with:
    Emptying Himself, and becoming a baby in the womb of Mary. Speaking of something that is so overwhelmingly strange. The God who left heaven, who left all the Glory He had, to come on this earth.
    The valley of humiliation.

    Jesus had to go through that, His whole life, not only being human, but to live in that valley of humiliation.

    And then the training of the disciples.

    all the way to the Cross,
    and of course, the Resurrection!
    That event that triggered the disciples to get really very very excited about Jesus, He was the Son of God after all!

  267. jeff1 says:

    The day thou gavest, Lord, is ended

    1 The day you gave us, Lord, has ended;
    the darkness falls at your behest.
    To you our morning hymns ascended;
    your praise shall sanctify our rest.

    2 We thank you that your church unsleeping
    while earth rolls onwards into light,
    through all the world her watch is keeping,
    and never rests by day or night.

    3 As over continent and island
    each dawn leads on another day,
    the voice of prayer is never silent,
    nor do the praises die away.

    4 So be it, Lord: your throne shall never,
    like earth’s proud kingdoms, pass away.
    Your kingdom stands and grows forever,
    until there dawns your glorious day

  268. poohpity says:

    No I do not see how the God of Jacob is any different then the God of Abraham or Isaac, same God the people were different but God wasn’t. The manifestations of God in three persons of the Trinity has specific purposes. God is Spirit, then combined that Spirit with a human into someone who could be sacrificed but that human was resurrected and lives in Heaven then someone who is the same as Jesus was sent to live in mankind but all One, God. Jacob was not the same as Isaac nor was Isaac the same as Abraham. 3 different people with separate kinds of relationships with God. Abraham showed his faith by being willing to sacrifice his son to God however that is a reflection of what God did for the good of mankind. Isaac showed his faith by submitting to his dad, like Jesus did and allowing God to find his bride. Jacob showed his faith by not doing things his way any longer to control circumstances but submitted his will to God’s direction and guidance. But when it come down to it God is not like man however man is like God because we have been made in His image. Those men trusted God some it took a little longer than the others but what happened to them was prophetic regarding Jesus.

  269. foreverblessed says:

    The topic at hand is the Holy Spirit.
    God is One, different workings
    God the Father, the One Who calls.
    Called Abraham out of Ur.
    God the Son, the One Who provides everything we need, Issac was born into his father’s house, Isaac just had to accept everything that was provided. Even the water wells had been dug by Abraham. Isaac, also as a type of Christ who was being offered on the altar.
    So that would seem enough for man, everything is settled. God who calls and God who provides everything.
    But our God is also the God of Jacob!
    The problem of mankind, man who has chosen to be independent from God, man who wants nobody to tell him what to do, man who wants to find out for himself.
    The self-will of man.
    The self power of man.
    Who is going to discipline him?

    The Holy Spirit, He will let us go through a certain test, like Jacob was sent to Laban, till he sees his independence.
    Christians are like that, Christians who rely on the Laws of the Old Covenant. Who really look for a morally right life, who follow the moral laws of God. But who bring about it in their own strength. I know, I was like that.
    But when I am now in evangelical circles, I find the same mindset: trusting in Jesus as their Savior and then following the golden rule. My pastor would say: nothing wrong with that. Trust the Holy Spirit to show the deeper way of life:
    That life of blowing in the wind, the wind of the Spirit.
    John 3:6-8

    The deep personal touch of an intimate relationship, where the Spirit guides each person there is a constant hearing tuning to the Spirit. Where He leads, every second of his life a christian goes.
    And that is a process, because many seconds of my life I am in my self life, and not in that

    God calls us to a Spirit filled life,
    2 Cor 3:16-18

  270. foreverblessed says:

    Jeff, my utmost today, is also very touching!
    An intimate theology, Martha, who gains a deeper insight because of the question of Jesus:
    Do you believe this?

    I am the Resurrection and the Life

  271. poohpity says:

    Sorry still do not see Jacob as a type of or has any correlation whatsoever to the Holy Spirit. I can see Abraham as a type like the father who willingly gave up his son and Isaac as the son who was willing to do what his father wanted but not the connection between Jacob and the Holy Spirit the way it was explained or even not hearing it as explained. Just do not see it.

  272. jeff1 says:

    Thank you, Forever, submission to Jesus is what God requires but does not demand hence the word submission.

    Hymns of the Church – Dying with Jesus – 15 November 2016, Anno Domini

    It is an easy thing to make a public profession of faith in Jesus Christ – to follow wherever He leads – and, yet, not mean a word of it, or even know who Jesus is or what it means to follow Him. Such a profession is hollow, but made every day across America and the world. The plead is often simple: “Just come forward and make a public profession of faith in Jesus Christ and that the whole end of faith,” is the plea made to audience. But what is a profession if one is not knowledgeable at least in the fundamental character of the One whom they profess? Today’s hymn, Dying with Jesus,’ gives us some idea of the glory and joy of dying with Jesus.

    The lyrics were written by Major Daniel W. Whittle, and the tune composed by his daughter May whittle Moody (wife of Will R. Moody). The hymn was published in London and the United States on the same date in 1896. It was an instant success in England and became the favourite of the South African evangelist, Andrew Murray. Murray remarked: “If Sankey only knew a hymn which I found in London, and would sing it, he would find that it embraces my entire creed.” He had made the statement while teaching a men’s Bible study in Northfield, Massachusetts when he led the men in singing. Sankey remarked, in response, “Doctor, that hymn was written within five hundred yards of where we are standing.”

    Dying with Jesus

    Dying with Jesus, by death reckoned mine;
    Living with Jesus, a new life divine;
    Looking to Jesus till glory doth shine,
    Moment by moment, O Lord, I am Thine.

    Moment by moment I’m kept in His love;
    Moment by moment I’ve life from above;
    Looking to Jesus till glory doth shine;
    Moment by moment, O Lord, I am Thine.

    Never a trial that He is not there,
    Never a burden that He doth not bear,
    Never a sorrow that He doth not share,
    Moment by moment, I’m under His care.

    Never a heartache, and never a groan,
    Never a teardrop and never a moan;
    Never a danger but there on the throne,
    Moment by moment He thinks of His own.

    Never a weakness that He doth not feel,
    Never a sickness that He cannot heal;
    Moment by moment, in woe or in weal,
    Jesus my Savior, abides with me still.

    Dying with Jesus, by death reckoned mine;
    Living with Jesus, a new life divine;
    Looking to Jesus till glory doth shine,
    Moment by moment, O Lord, I am Thine.

    Please note the simplicity of truth espoused in this first line: “Dying with Jesus.” We do not die FOR Jesus, but WITH Him; for Jesus Died FOR us. But what is meant by “Dying with Jesus?” If we do not take up our cross daily and follow Jesus all of the way, we are not worthy disciples. “All of the way” means on dusty, dry roads; through mountain slopes and rocky valleys; across stormy seas with fearful seaman; through angry crowds; among lepers and adulterous women; to threatening centers of power of belligerent religious leaders; to the hateful halls of the Sanhedrin and before Pontius Pilate; and finally, to the cross at Calvary. That is where the cross leads. But it leads beyond Calvary’s disgraceful brow – it leads to a borrowed grave, and a glorious resurrection. We belong to Christ every moment, and moment by moment.

    Refrain: Moment by moment I’m kept in His love; Moment by moment I’ve life from above; Looking to Jesus till glory doth shine; Moment by moment, O Lord, I am Thine. 3 Because thy lovingkindness is better than life, my lips shall praise thee. 4 Thus will I bless thee while I live: I will lift up my hands in thy name. 5 My soul shall be satisfied as with marrow and fatness; and my mouth shall praise thee with joyful lips: 6 When I remember thee upon my bed, and meditate on thee in the night watches. 7 Because thou hast been my help, therefore in the shadow of thy wings will I rejoice. 8 My soul followeth hard after thee: thy right hand upholdeth me. (Psalm 63:3-8) He sustains our lives moment by moment – the next breath, the next heartbeat.

    Never a trial that He is not there, Never a burden that He doth not bear, Never a sorrow that He doth not share, Moment by moment, I’m under His care.” “. . . . lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. (Matt 28:20) “ALWAYS” IS A FOREVER PROPOSITION! He is with us in our moments of joy, but also of despair – just as He was right beside the two on the Road to Emmaus. There is no measure for the compassionate heart of Jesus Christ. He always took compassion on the lame, the blind, the leper, and the sinner. He bears our burdens for us. “Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.” (Matt 11:28)

    Never a heartache, and never a groan, Never a teardrop and never a moan; Never a danger but there on the throne, Moment by moment He thinks of His own. No one considers it a great privilege to suffer, but even more ominous is the prospect of either dying, or suffering, alone. The Christian has the assurance of never heading down the Road of Sorrow, or the Valley of the Shadow of Death, alone. Christ is forever with His own. He rules in our victories, but also in our dimly perceived defeats. There is NO defeat in Christ! He even keeps every tear of the saint on safe deposit with Him in Heaven: 8 Thou tellest my wanderings: put thou my tears into thy bottle: are they not in thy book? (Psalm 56:8) He even keeps book on every hair of our heads – in some cases, a shifting figure…..

    Never a weakness that He doth not feel, Never a sickness that He cannot heal; Moment by moment, in woe or in weal, Jesus my Savior, abides with me still. Now here is the crux of the meaning of this wonderful hymn, and of the Gospels: “Moment by moment, in woe or in weal, Jesus my Savior, abides with me still.” The words the Lord spoke to Zacchaeus are the same He speaks to you and me: Zacchaeus, make haste, and come down; for to day I must abide at thy house. (Luke 19:5) The Lord does not visit us in our walk with Him in bearing our crosses, but rather ABIDES with us which means “to make His home in our hearts.” What an amazing blessing! As the Lord Himself says: Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned. If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you. (John 15:4-7)

    Has your heart made its home with Christ and IN Christ?

  273. poohpity says:

    The Holy Spirit has specific purposes that do not even faintly resemble Jacob.

    He convicts the world of sin, righteousness, and of judgment.(John 16:8-11)

    He transforms us in the sight of God. (1 Corinthians 6:11)

    He helps us to remember the word of God.(John 14:26)

    He helps us to lead a godly life. (Gal 5:22-23)

    He gives us spiritual gifts for the edification of believers. (1 Corinthians 12:4-7)

    He is our guarantee of eternal life with God.
    (2 Corinthians 1:21-22; Eph 1:13-14)

    He empowers us to be witnesses for our Lord Jesus Christ. (John 15:26; Acts 1:8, 4:33; 1 Corinthians 2:4-5)

  274. poohpity says:

    Viv, that was awesome. Yes many say they are Christians but do they really give up everything to follow after Him and live a life dedicated to Him? Each person can only answer that for themselves but it will be plain to see.

  275. jeff1 says:

    That was not the significant message that I took from the passage but rather that God has got a hold of me and is with me in all my struggles from the cradle to the grave and beyond to eternity.

    I also took from the passage (quote below) that this is what is being taught to believers today so why would they feel they needed to if they are being taught differently to what I was taught.

    It is my teaching that makes me see my need of Jesus and if I don’t have the right teaching then how would I know any different.

    “It is an easy thing to make a public profession of faith in Jesus Christ – to follow wherever He leads – and, yet, not mean a word of it, or even know who Jesus is or what it means to follow Him. Such a profession is hollow, but made every day across America and the world.
    The plead is often simple: “Just come forward and make a public profession of faith in Jesus Christ and that the whole end of faith,” is the plea made to audience. But what is a profession if one is not knowledgeable at least in the fundamental character of the One whom they profess? Today’s hymn, Dying with Jesus,’ gives us some idea of the glory and joy of dying with Jesus”.

  276. poohpity says:

    Gee I thought that is what I said but in different wording. It does take more than a mere profession of faith it means acting on that faith. Living in a close relationship with God which takes getting to know Him. Now how does one get to know the fundamental character of God without reading what we are given from those who have walked closely with Him and have gone before us? I guess because I said it there has to be a problem with it, right?

  277. street says:

    He said, “Take these things away; stop making My Father’s house a place of business.”

    22 So when He was raised from the dead, His disciples remembered that He said this; and they believed the Scripture and the word which Jesus had spoken.

  278. foreverblessed says:

    May I humbly point out to you Pooh,that Mart’s idea with this blog is that we seek for the common ground.

    At first glance you read what Watchen Nee taught about God of Abraham, isaac and Jacob, and you immediately say: that it is wrong. You are not going to read anything of that guy, Without having studied it very well, nor having even read that bible study, you just say you do not agree.

    Your words Nov 5 9.15 am

    “If that is something Watchman Nee teaches I probably would not give a grain of salt to anything he taught. The reason being not only about them being representative of the three persons of the Trinity but about what is said about Jacob”

    May I very humbly say to you, that you are a dearly loved child of God, but there are some points in your way of discusssion that can have some improvement.

    You are saying about some of the participaants here on this blog, who havent’studied what Andy Stanley teaches, yet put it aside.

    You are doing the same thing with this point of God the Father, God the Son and God the Spirit.

    I did not say that Jacob was a type of the Holy Spirit, I was saying that the way God was dealing with Jacob was showing what the work of the Holy Spirit is like in our lives as christians.

    My point eing is that the Old Testament already showed that God was a Trinity, and this point was on of them.

    Not Jacob himself is type of the Holy Spirit

    The training God gave to Jacob is type of the way the Holy Spirit works. The jacob who was the self-willed man, the deceiver bacame the humble man at Pniel.

    And how was that training:

    God sent Jacob to Laban, Jacob got his own way of treating others by the way he was treated by Laban. That took almost 20 years.

    God is One God, but different in workings. That is also the same thing you say in your defence of what you believe.

    So I am asking you:

    Could have a deeper look into what I was trying to say, and look for the common ground?
    I am asking this in all humbleness.

  279. jeff1 says:

    No, this is what you said(quote below) and I took it that is what was significant to you, and I said that is not the significance of the passage for me but how God has a hold of me and directs my life from the cradle to the grave and to eternity.

    “Yes many say they are Christians but do they really give up everything to follow after Him and live a life dedicated to Him?”

    What is significant to you is not for me as the passage also says that in America and around the world people are being asked to make a public profession of faith in Jesus as if it were the whole end of faith.

    I did not get to know Jesus in this way but rather from a Sunday School teaching the ten commandments and catechism and a life of running and hiding until He got a hold of me so I have a very different journey to someone who has made a public profession of faith believing that is the whole end of faith.

    It troubles me like it troubles the writer of the passage that such public profession is being encouraged as being the all in all in Christ.

  280. poohpity says:

    forever, I did not say that Watchman Nee was wrong, I said if what you said he said was really what he teaches I would not take it with a grain a salt. I know that sometimes people can and do misunderstand what a teacher is actually teaching and it is possible that you may have misunderstood what he was saying but if it was what he was teaching I do not agree with it. Guess what, it is fine for me to disagree but I believe something may have gotten lost between what he actually said and what you said he said. I do not think a teacher would have associated Jacob with the Holy Spirit and yes I would be interested in what Watchman Nee actually said rather than listening to it from a third person if I had that ability and not going on what you said he said because I do not have much faith in that.

    Viv, a public profession of faith in Christ is saying I am a Christian but what that was saying is that there are a lot of people who say that but actually have not given their life over to Christ. It is similar to not walking the talk in other words and I was just agreeing with what was written by what you copied and posted. I said nothing about what or how it effected you or me or anyone just paraphrasing part of it, that is all. Then the reaction from that if it had been anyone else besides me would have been different.


  281. poohpity says:

    When I disagree with my Pastor we talk about it, he does not get unset with me because he knows how much I care about the teaching of God. My Pastor has to know what I teach and know because if it were not in line with scripture he probably would not want me teaching in the church.

  282. jeff1 says:

    It doesn’t matter Pooh whether I misunderstand your meaning as its God that understands each of our hearts and that is what matters in pleasing God.

    I just happen to agree with the writer of the passage that if people are wandering from the truth of the Gospel then there is reasons for it and therefore I don’t believe in jumping to conclusion’s but rather trusting God who knows best.

  283. poohpity says:

    Likewise in the last church I was in for 23 years if anyone wanted to teach a bible study the person had to go through an interview process first. We had to go through an interview process for every function in the church different interviews for different departments and if the beliefs were not aliened with the statement of faith of the church then the person was not allowed to lead a bible study, or be part the counseling ministry, or the children’s ministry or go on missions trips which I was part of all of those as a member of the body. Did we have disagreements, yes! But there was still respect for each other and the ability to listen to their case.

  284. poohpity says:

    You are right it does not matter whether you understand what I wrote or not but it does matter to me about being falsely accused of something I did not do. So if you do not understand my meaning or even care about it then why do you reply to it in an accusatory manner? Wouldn’t it be nicer to not say anything or ask for clarification?

  285. foreverblessed says:

    Please Pooh, read my comment Nov 5, 4.44 am
    And then read yours.

    I writer:
    The God of Jacob is a type of the Holy Spirit.

    You write: anyone who teaches Jacob resembles the Holy Spirit…

    You misread what I wrote.

    It is very good you are so vehemently defending the interpretation of the Word of God. Indeed, it would be weird to compare Jacob to the Holy Spirit.
    Then you have a description of the working of the Holy Spirit that is beautiful.

  286. jeff1 says:

    Just to clarify, Pooh, I did not accuse you of anything I simply said that I took a different message from the passage than you did.

    This is your words and what you took from it: “Yes many say they are Christians but do they really give up everything to follow after Him and live a life dedicated to Him”? while what I took from it was that people are being led to believe that accepting Jesus is enough without walking the walk.

    Why do you have to put your own spin on everything, you would have made a good politician from what I see.

  287. poohpity says:

    forever, what do you think is meant by type?

    Viv, you quoted the part of the passage that was meaningful to you but I just said it differently it was not spin at all, it was the very same thing. Spin is when you take a part of something and add your own thinking to it, not just restating the same thing with the concept being the same, spin is putting a different meaning to it.

    Ladies there are some very real issues with reading, it seems with biases.

  288. street says:

    Blowin’ in the Wind

    sometimes when the wind is blowing hard you duck down,
    so you don’t fall.

    when you are down you can see God better too.

  289. jeff1 says:

    So just to clarify, Pooh, since you said it differently, the passage below is what relates to what I said and the meaning I took from the passage is that the writer is concerned that in America and around the world that people are being led to believe that making a public profession of faith in Jesus Christ is the whole end of faith.

    A yes or no will suffice just since there is real issues with reading.

    It is an easy thing to make a public profession of faith in Jesus Christ – to follow wherever He leads – and, yet, not mean a word of it, or even know who Jesus is or what it means to follow Him. Such a profession is hollow, but made every day across America and the world. The plead is often simple: “Just come forward and make a public profession of faith in Jesus Christ and that the whole end of faith,” is the plea made to audience. But what is a profession if one is not knowledgeable at least in the fundamental character of the One whom they profess? Today’s hymn, Dying with Jesus,’ gives us some idea of the glory and joy of dying with Jesus

  290. poohpity says:

    Is not saying I believe and professing I believe mean the same thing? So the answer is NO. The part that is not all there is in and of itself is one has to believe in the identity of Christ, who He really is, and that He was raised from the dead.

    Jesus asked His followers before the crucifixion repeatedly, “who do you say I am?” so one has to know that He is more than a teacher, more than a prophet, more than a man of God but is God Himself incarnate. So just coming forward does not show the end of faith but the beginning because faith has to be tested to be shown to be true. 1 Peter 1:7 NLT

    Faith without works is dead. James 2:26

    This shows that some can hear the message and say or profess they believe but then things happen;

    “Now listen to the explanation of the parable about the farmer planting seeds: 19 The seed that fell on the footpath represents those who hear the message about the Kingdom and don’t understand it. Then the evil one comes and snatches away the seed that was planted in their hearts. 20 The seed on the rocky soil represents those who hear the message and immediately receive it with joy. 21 But since they don’t have deep roots, they don’t last long. They fall away as soon as they have problems or are persecuted for believing God’s word. 22 The seed that fell among the thorns represents those who hear God’s word, but all too quickly the message is crowded out by the worries of this life and the lure of wealth, so no fruit is produced. 23 The seed that fell on good soil represents those who truly hear and understand God’s word and produce a harvest of thirty, sixty, or even a hundred times as much as had been planted!”

    So just saying or professing one believes is NOT the end.

  291. poohpity says:

    It is similar to those who say they believe that they are forgiven yet do not forgive others, it is only words and does not express true faith in God.

  292. foreverblessed says:

    The Bible verse of the day is:
    1 Timothy 2:1-2
    I urge, then, first of all, that requests, prayers, intercession and thanksgiving be made for everyone- for kings and all those in authority, that we may live peaceful and quiet lives in all godliness and holiness.

  293. foreverblessed says:

    That is of biblegateway.

    This morning we had church housegroup, and it was used to bless each other. So everybody was prayed for, and blessed.

    This bibleverse came out several times:

    8 Come with me from Lebanon, my bride,
    come with me from Lebanon.
    Descend from the crest of Amana,
    from the top of Senir, the summit of Hermon,
    from the lions’ dens
    and the mountain haunts of leopards.
    You have stolen my heart, my sister, my bride;
    you have stolen my heart
    with one glance of your eyes,
    with one jewel of your necklace.
    How delightful is your love, my sister, my bride!
    How much more pleasing is your love than wine,
    and the fragrance of your perfume
    more than any spice!

    Song of Songs 4:8-10
    God looks at each of us, and is so fond of us. At first, I thought, this verse, verse 10, is talking about the love of Christ.
    But no, it is about us!
    So all of you, drink this in.

    But, Jesus also says: Come with me
    Out of the places where the lion’s den is, and where the leopards haunts.
    Come with Jesus!
    Be with Him!

  294. poohpity says:

    forever this is for you regarding types that does not include Jacob as being a type of the Holy Spirit you can listen to it being read by Dan Stevers or read it written by Tim Keller.

    The Bible is not a series of disconnected stories.

    It is a single narrative in which every story, every character points beyond itself to One who is greater. The story of Adam and Eve is not just about the first man and woman. There is a true and better Adam who passed the test in the garden and whose obedience is ascribed to us. There is a true and better Abel who, though innocently slain, has blood that cries out, not for our condemnation, but for our acquittal. There is a true and better Abraham who answered the call of God to leave all the comfortable and familiar, and go out into the void and create a new people of God.

    There is a true and better Isaac, the son of laughter, of grace, who was not just offered up by his father on the mount, but who was truly sacrificed for us all. There is a true and better Jacob who wrestled and took the blow of justice we deserve so we, like Jacob, only receive the wounds of grace that wake us up and discipline us. There is a true and better Joseph, who at the right hand of the king, forgives those who betrayed and sold him and uses his new power to save them. There is a true and better Moses who stands in the gap between the people and the Lord, and who mediates a new covenant.

    There is a true and better rock of Moses who, struck with the rod of God’s justice, now gives us water in the desert. There is a true and better Job, the truly innocent sufferer, who then intercedes for and saves his foolish friends. There is a true and better David whose victory becomes his people’s victory though they never lifted a stone to accomplish it themselves.

    There is a true and better Esther who didn’t just risk losing an earthly palace, but lost the ultimate heavenly one, who didn’t just risk his life, but gave his life to save his people. There is a true and better Jonah who was cast out into the storm so that we could be brought in. There is a true and better Passover lamb – innocent, perfect, helpless – slain so that the angel of death will pass over us.

    He’s the true temple, true prophet, the true priest, the true king, the true sacrifice, the true lamb, the true light, and the true bread.

    The Bible is not series of disconnected stories.

    It is a single narrative that points to one person – Jesus.

  295. poohpity says:

    This is a description of one of who truly follows the Lord when it is more than just words of saying or professing “I believe” but really does from their heart.

    Since God chose you to be the holy people he loves, you must clothe yourselves with tenderhearted mercy, kindness, humility, gentleness, and patience. 13 Make allowance for each other’s faults, and forgive anyone who offends you. Remember, the Lord forgave you, so you must forgive others. 14 Above all, clothe yourselves with love, which binds us all together in perfect harmony. 15 And let the peace that comes from Christ rule in your hearts. For as members of one body you are called to live in peace. And always be thankful.

    16 Let the message about Christ, in all its richness, fill your lives. Teach and counsel each other with all the wisdom he gives. Sing psalms and hymns and spiritual songs to God with thankful hearts. 17 And whatever you do or say, do it as a representative of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks through him to God the Father.

  296. foreverblessed says:

    Thank you very much for posting that sermon.
    ou are so right, Jacob is not a type of the Holy Spirit, maybe the changed Jacob was, after Pniel.

    Let’s leave it there.
    God bless you get very much!

  297. jeff1 says:

    poohpity says:
    November 7, 2018 at 7:54 am

    So just saying or professing one believes is NOT the end.

    This just goes to show how misunderstanding happens because again that is not what I was asking.

    When I was asking you if it was a ‘yes or no’ it was in reference to the writer of the passage and do you interpretate it as I do that he is saying that people are being led wrongly by the wording used; quote as follows:
    “The plead is often simple: “Just come forward and make a public profession of faith in Jesus Christ and that the whole end of faith,” is the plea made to audience”.

    Do you agree with the writer of the passage that this is happening today?

  298. poohpity says:

    Yes I do agree it is happening even today. No to just making the public profession of faith as being enough or as the writer put it “that the whole end of faith”. There is more it is acting on that faith.

  299. jeff1 says:

    It is allowing God to change me from this creature that I have become or as C. S. Lewis puts it:

    “It is when we notice the dirt that God is most present in us; it is the very sign of His presence.”

    “No man knows how bad he is until he has tried very hard to be good.”

    “It cost God nothing, so far as we know. to create nice things: but to convert rebellious wills cost Him crucifixion.”

  300. street says:

    thinking about knowing other people, sinners.
    we are to know God and His Kingdom and His Righteousness above all things.
    in knowing God we find we are to love sinners. am i the standard? i am told to live by the faith, i am given. not by the faith you were given. paul would not let his faith interfere we the faith of a brother or sister. his debt was to love them. no easy thing to do. walking by faith, we are told, not where we are going.

    luther had a problem with “christians” selling things they had no right to sell. igniting a return to the Gospel of Christ. faith a true give of God. discernment along with speak another. thinking the debate of grace and mercy is very puzzling.

    thinking of Romans 12 where the basis of living is on God’s mercy not on what we know or have attained. i marvel i am not in hell.

    Godly sorrow brings repentance that leads to salvation and leaves no regret, but worldly sorrow brings death.

    7 Therefore, since we have these promises, dear friends, let us purify ourselves from everything that contaminates body and spirit, perfecting holiness out of reverence for God.

    2 Make room for us in your hearts. We have wronged no one, we have corrupted no one, we have exploited no one. 3 I do not say this to condemn you; I have said before that you have such a place in our hearts that we would live or die with you.

    make room for us in your hearts…peter james john paul matthew mark jude letters to the churches.

    The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.

  301. street says:

    6 Therefore let us move beyond the elementary teachings about Christ and be taken forward to maturity, not laying again the foundation of repentance from acts that lead to death,[a] and of faith in God, 2 instruction about cleansing rites,[b] the laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment. 3 And God permitting, we will do so.

  302. jeff1 says:

    Immortal, invisible, God only wise,
    In light inaccessible hid from our eyes,
    Most blessed, most glorious, the Ancient of Days,
    Almighty, victorious, thy great Name we praise.

    Unresting, unhasting, and silent as light,
    Nor wanting, nor wasting, thou rulest in might;
    Thy justice like mountains high soaring above
    Thy clouds which are fountains of goodness and love.

    To all life thou givest — to both great and small;
    In all life thou livest, the true life of all;
    We blossom and flourish as leaves on the tree,
    And wither and perish—but nought changeth thee.

    Great Father of glory, pure Father of light,
    Thine angels adore thee, all veiling their sight;
    All laud we would render: O help us to see
    ’Tis only the splendour of light hideth thee.

    Great Father of glory, pure Father of light,
    Thine angels adore Thee, all veiling their sight;
    But of all Thy rich graces this grace, Lord, impart
    Take the veil from our faces, the vile from our heart.

    All laud we would render; O help us to see
    ’Tis only the splendour of light hideth Thee,
    And so let Thy glory, Almighty, impart,
    Through Christ in His story, Thy Christ to the heart.

  303. street says:

    less of me, more of Thee.

  304. foreverblessed says:

    Blowin in the wind
    Living in the Spirit
    let us go on into maturity in Christ:
    Hebrews 6:1-3
    I was thinking about that verse when talking about:
    The bible for grown-ups.
    Living in the Spirit, and finding out, slowly , revealed as we walk on in faith in Jesus:
    That the Spirit searches our hearts and minds
    Romans 8:26-27
    The verse that “My Utmost” is explaining today, and yesterday.
    That the prayers the Holy Spirit does in me, are not the same as the prayers are doing in you.
    I was thinking that the Holy Spirit is searching our hearts, to look for other people who have a place there, to intercede.
    That the intercession is also done in mysterious ways, ways I am not consciously thinking about.

    And the people I have been in contact with, my whole life, these are the ones the Spirit it searching for.
    And I should not be carrying my own wares in the temple of the Holy Spirit, but God’s wares.
    What I can do is having my thoughts about otheres cleansed, and have the thoughts of God about other people I have been in contact with.
    Carrying in my Temple the wares of God. His thoughts of love about everybody.
    -Less of me, more of Thee-
    Indeed, yes, Street!

    The commentaries at the bottom of my utmost write about that revelation, that they do see now, after having read Rom 8:27 for so many years.
    God is revealing more and more, things of the Spirit.

    Let us go on, Hebrews says into maturity in Christ.

  305. jeff1 says:

    Future Glory

    18 For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worth comparing with the glory that is to be revealed to us. 19 For the creation waits with eager longing for the revealing of the sons of God. 20 For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of him who subjected it, in hope 21 that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to corruption and obtain the freedom of the glory of the children of God. 22 For we know that the whole creation has been groaning together in the pains of childbirth until now. 23 And not only the creation, but we ourselves, who have the first fruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies. 24 For in this hope we were saved. Now hope that is seen is not hope. For who hopes for what he sees? 25 But if we hope for what we do not see, we await for it with patience.

    26 Likewise the Spirit helps us in our weakness. For we do not know what to pray for as we ought, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words. 27 And he who searches hearts knows what is the mind of the Spirit, because 7 the Spirit intercedes for the saints according to the will of God. 28 And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good,8 for those who are called according to his purpose. 29 For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. 30 And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified.

    God’s Everlasting Love

    31 What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? 32 He who did not spare his own Son but gave him up for us all, how will he not also with him graciously give us all things? 33 Who shall bring any charge against God’s elect? It is God who justifies. 34 Who is to condemn? Christ Jesus is the one who died—more than that, who was raised—who is at the right hand of God, who indeed is interceding for us.10 35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or danger, or sword? 36 As it is written,

    “For your sake we are being killed all the day long;
    we are regarded as sheep to be slaughtered.”

    37 No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. 38 For I am sure that neither death nor life, nor angels nor rulers, nor things present nor things to come, nor powers, 39 nor height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord.

  306. poohpity says:

    5 signs of Maturity in Christ:

    1. Mature Christians receive the truths of the gospel as it was passed down to them. Hebrews 6:1 NLT

    2. Mature Christians stop pointing out everyone else’s sins, and start confessing their own. Matt 7:1-5 Mature Christians are much more gracious judges of others because those words of Jesus have struck their heart, and they will never be the same.

    3. Mature Christians Watch Their Words, and know when NOT to speak. James 1:19; Eph 4:2-3, 29

    4. Mature Christians are Less Dependent on Themselves, and Increasingly dependent on Christ. John 15:5

    5. Mature Christians grow in Their faith. 2 Peter 1: 3 His divine power has granted to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of him who called us to his own glory and excellence, 4 by which he has granted to us his precious and very great promises, so that through them you may become partakers of the divine nature, having escaped from the corruption that is in the world because of sinful desire. 5 For this very reason, make every effort to supplement your faith with virtue, and virtue with knowledge, 6 and knowledge with self-control, and self-control with steadfastness, and steadfastness with godliness, 7 and godliness with brotherly affection, and brotherly affection with love. 8 For if these qualities are yours and are increasing, they keep you from being ineffective or unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 For whoever lacks these qualities is so nearsighted that he is blind, having forgotten that he was cleansed from his former sins. 10 Therefore, brothers, be all the more diligent to confirm your calling and election, for if you practice these qualities you will never fall. 11 For in this way there will be richly provided for you an entrance into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

    Maturing in our life with Christ is a process that God is very patient with us during the process and I do not believe we ever reach full maturity until that day when we see the Lord face to face. Phil 1:6 NLT

  307. jeff1 says:

    Breath Of God

    Breathe on me, breath of God,
    Fill me with life anew,
    That I may love what Thou dost love,
    And do what Thou wouldst do.

    Breathe on me, breath of God,
    Until my heart is pure,
    Until with Thee I will one will,
    To do and to endure.

    Breathe on me, breath of God,
    Blend all my soul with Thine,
    Until this earthly part of me
    Glows with Thy fire divine.

    Breathe on me, breath of God,
    So shall I never die,
    But live with Thee the perfect life
    Of Thine eternity.

  308. Beloved says:

    Oh I just couldnt resist, the maturity discussed here has to do with dead works vs faith in Christ. Exegete correctly please, you’re killing me!
    Hebrews 6:1 (NLT)
    So let us stop going over the basic teachings about Christ again and again. Let us go on instead and become mature in our understanding. Surely we don’t need to start again with the fundamental importance of repenting from evil deeds and placing our faith in God. “Evil deeds” means “dead works” in the original greek.

    Yes we all grow at the pace the Holy Spirit and our brain capacity allows. But more importantly is love, no matter where we are at or whether one is more of less “godly” than I think I am. And by the way its hard breaking the idol of internet. I hate the hold it has over me but am practicing daily just sitting quietly with no outside distractions and focusing on enjoying God. it is practice for eternity i guess. Blessings dear readers.

  309. poohpity says:

    Yes Joyce it all comes down to Love everything else is just noise after hearing the original Gospel and coming to believe which is the foundation of no longer living under the law but by Grace. But it seems even in the early church look how many times the disciples had to go back to explaining the difference, Paul explained it as still drinking milk never getting to the meat. How could one grow deeper in a relationship with God if they could not even get that concept alone down?

    1 Cor 3: Dear brothers and sisters, when I was with you I couldn’t talk to you as I would to spiritual people. I had to talk as though you belonged to this world or as though you were infants in Christ. 2 I had to feed you with milk, not with solid food, because you weren’t ready for anything stronger. And you still aren’t ready, 3 for you are still controlled by your sinful nature. You are jealous of one another and quarrel with each other. Doesn’t that prove you are controlled by your sinful nature? Aren’t you living like people of the world?

  310. poohpity says:

    Phil 2: Is there any encouragement from belonging to Christ? Any comfort from his love? Any fellowship together in the Spirit? Are your hearts tender and compassionate? 2 Then make me truly happy by agreeing wholeheartedly with each other, loving one another, and working together with one mind and purpose.

    3 Don’t be selfish; don’t try to impress others. Be humble, thinking of others as better than yourselves. 4 Don’t look out only for your own interests, but take an interest in others, too.

    5 You must have the same attitude that Christ Jesus had.

    Though he was God,
    he did not think of equality with God
    as something to cling to.
    Instead, he gave up his divine privileges;
    he took the humble position of a slave
    and was born as a human being.
    When he appeared in human form,
    he humbled himself in obedience to God
    and died a criminal’s death on a cross.

    Therefore, God elevated him to the place of highest honor and gave him the name above all other names,
    that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
    in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
    and every tongue declare that Jesus Christ is Lord,
    to the glory of God the Father.

  311. poohpity says:

    There were squabbles and arguments in the early church as there are today because people were choosing sides and putting different people on pedestals. Some were saying I follow this one or that one but always the disciples directed them to follow only Jesus and Paul points out that is one way that shows immaturity. Those on the side of Christ will bring restoration and unity within the body of believers because of a common purpose and goal.

    But if we are not following Jesus ourselves more than likely we will not point other people to Him but boast in and of ourselves.

  312. Beloved says:

    (1) the world’s biggest and most costly mistake now is not one of the countless moral issues we could make an issue of— but rather not believing in and trusting him;

    I’m thinking that even if we do all the things scripture tells about how to get along, including the beatitudes, and strive for all the goodness they bring that if we have not love, I Corinthians says, we are as noisy gongs in a world filled with people who are equally and often more kind, considerate, self denying, generous and good to their neighbors and families. The love of God fills the world, as does evil, but the love that pushes away all the self-serving works oriented love is beyond compare. It’s the difference between life and death. Christ is our offering, our Savior our King. I see Love willingly hanging lifeless, beaten beyond recognition on a cursed cross in a garbage dump. My creator and yours. Amazing . Bless you, LORD Jesus.

  313. jeff1 says:

    1 Blessed assurance, Jesus is mine!
    O what a foretaste of glory divine!
    Heir of salvation, purchase of God,
    born of his Spirit, washed in his blood.

    This is my story, this is my song,
    praising my Savior, all the day long;
    this is my story, this is my song,
    praising my Savior all the day long.

    2 Perfect submission, perfect delight,
    visions of rapture now burst on my sight;
    angels descending, bring from above
    echoes of mercy, whispers of love. [Refrain]

    3 Perfect submission, all is at rest,
    I in my Savior am happy and blest,
    watching and waiting, looking above,
    filled with his goodness, lost in his love. [Refrain

  314. poohpity says:

    Before the Holy Spirit had come as the disciples of Jesus listened to His teaching began to argue among themselves about who will be the greatest, the wisest, the more godly, the most important, the most knowledgeable but Jesus confronted that type of thinking by washing their feet. He said that way of thinking has no place in His Kingdom because just as He came to serve that is the role they need to take also.(Luke 22:24-27 NLT; John 13:12-16 NLT)

    Later after the coming of the Holy Spirit they spoke of who had suffered the most for spreading the Gospel, no more about who would be the greatest in God’s Kingdom. Every town they came to people wanted to worship them because of the miracles they saw but they said, “We are only men like you” worship only the Lord because those miracles were from Him not us. So the next time anyone wants the praise of people by sharing how godly and spirit filled they think they are, that may not have anything to do with God at all but from the deceiver that was defeated, no wind blowing from the Holy Spirit but it is hot air from the person doing it.

  315. jeff1 says:

    Quotes from C. S. Lewis that show the heart of a man who knew God.

    Friendship is…the sort of love one can imagine between angels.

    I’m not sure God wants us to be happy. I think he wants us to love, and be loved. But we are like children, thinking our toys will make us happy and the whole world is our nursery. Something must drive us out of that nursery and into the loves of others, and that something is suffering.

    Now God designed the human machine to run on Himself. He Himself is the fuel our spirits were designed to burn, or the food our spirits were designed to feed on. There is no other.

    We ‘have all we want’ is a terrible saying when ‘all’ does not include God. We find God an interruption. As St. Augustine says somewhere, ‘God wants to give us something, but cannot, because our hands are full-there is nowhere for Him to put it.

    If they are wrong they need your prayers all the more; and if they are your enemies, then you are under orders to pray for them. That is one of the rules common to the whole house.

    Life with God is not immunity from difficulties, but peace in difficulties.

    To love at all is to be vulnerable. Love anything and your heart will be wrung and possibly broken. If you want to make sure of keeping it intact you must give it to no one, not even an animal. Wrap it carefully around with hobbies and little luxuries: avoid all entanglements. Lock it up safe in the casket or coffin of your selfishness. But in that coffin, safe, dark, motionless, airless, it will change. It will not be broken; it will become unbreakable, impenetrable, irredeemable. To love is to be vulnerable.

    Nature never taught me that there exists a God of glory and of infinite majesty. I had to learn that in other ways.
    But nature gave the word glory a meaning for me. I still do not know where else I could have found one.

    Meanwhile, little people like you and me, if our prayers are sometimes granted, beyond all hope and probability, had better

    But I will not tell you how long or short the way will be; only that it lies across a river. But do not fear that, for I am the great Bridge Builder.

    Meanwhile, little people like you and me, if our prayers are sometimes granted, beyond all hope and probability, had better not draw hasty conclusions to our own advantage. If we were stronger, we might be less tenderly treated. If we were braver, we might be sent, with far less help, to defend far more desperate posts in the great battle.

    What does not satisfy when we find it, was not the thing we were desiring.

    We live, in fact, in a world starved for solitude, silence, and private: and therefore starved for meditation and true friendship.

    A creature revolting against a creator is revolting against the source of his own powers-including even his power to revolt…It is like the scent of a flower trying to destroy the flower.

    Most people, if they had really learned to look into their own hearts, would know that they do want, and want acutely, something that cannot be had in this world. There are all sorts of things in this world that offer to give it to you, but they never quite keep their promise.

    It is not enough to want to get rid of one’s sins, we also need to believe in the One who saves us from our sins.

    Every Christian would agree that a man’s spiritual health is exactly proportional to his love for God.

    When you are not feeling particularly friendly but know you ought to be, the best thing you can do, very often, is to put on a friendly manner and behave as if you were a nicer person than you actually are. And in a few minutes, as we have all noticed, you will be really feeling friendlier than you were.

    Hardship often prepares an ordinary person for an extraordinary destiny.

    God will look to every soul like its first love because He is its first love.

  316. SFDBWV says:

    “In Flanders Fields”
    Lieut.-Col John McCrea
    (The author of this poem a member of the First Canadian Contingent died in France on January 28, 1918 after four years of service on the Western Front.)

    In Flanders Fields the poppies blow
    Between the crosses row on row,
    That mark our place; and in the sky
    The larks, still bravely singing, fly
    Scarce heard amid the guns below.

    We are the Dead. Short days ago,
    We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
    Loved, and were loved, and now we lie
    In Flanders Fields.

    Take up our quarrel with the foe;
    To you from failing hands we throw
    The torch; be yours to hold it high.
    If ye break faith with us who die
    We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
    In Flanders fields.

    Deuteronomy 32:7 KJV “Remember the days of old, consider the years of many generations: Ask thy father, and he will shew thee, thy elders, and they will tell thee.”

    I remember and honor those who have gone on before me. I hope you all enjoy the poem and remember today.


  317. poohpity says:

    Psalm 34:

    I will praise the Lord at all times.
    I will constantly speak his praises.
    I will boast only in the Lord;
    let all who are helpless take heart.
    Come, let us tell of the Lord’s greatness;
    let us exalt his name together.

    I prayed to the Lord, and he answered me.
    He freed me from all my fears.
    Those who look to him for help will be radiant with joy;
    no shadow of shame will darken their faces.
    In my desperation I prayed, and the Lord listened;
    he saved me from all my troubles.
    For the angel of the Lord is a guard;
    he surrounds and defends all who fear him.

    Taste and see that the Lord is good.
    Oh, the joys of those who take refuge in him!
    Fear the Lord, you his godly people,
    for those who fear him will have all they need.
    Even strong young lions sometimes go hungry,
    but those who trust in the Lord will lack no good thing.

    Come, my children, and listen to me,
    and I will teach you to fear the Lord.
    Does anyone want to live a life
    that is long and prosperous?
    Then keep your tongue from speaking evil
    and your lips from telling lies!
    Turn away from evil and do good.
    Search for peace, and work to maintain it.

    The eyes of the Lord watch over those who do right;
    his ears are open to their cries for help.
    But the Lord turns his face against those who do evil;
    he will erase their memory from the earth.
    The Lord hears his people when they call to him for help.
    He rescues them from all their troubles.
    The Lord is close to the brokenhearted;
    he rescues those whose spirits are crushed.

    The righteous person faces many troubles,
    but the Lord comes to the rescue each time.
    For the Lord protects the bones of the righteous;
    not one of them is broken!

    Calamity will surely destroy the wicked,
    and those who hate the righteous will be punished.
    But the Lord will redeem those who serve him.
    No one who takes refuge in him will be condemned.

  318. phpatato says:

    I am getting ready to head out to a Remembrance Day ceremony. I will be thinking of you too, Steve. Thank you for your service and sacrifices. xo

    Bells of Peace

    In 1918, bells rang to celebrate the end of the First World War. At the setting of the sun on November 11, 2018, bells will ring in communities across Canada to remember.

  319. jeff1 says:

    This beautiful hymn from our Remembrance Sunday Service. Thinking of you too Steve.

    By a monument of marble
    Or a simple wooden cross,
    Here we gather to remember
    Sacrifice and tragic loss.
    Blood red poppy petals flutter,
    Each a symbol for a life,
    Drifting in a crimson curtain
    Shadow of our constant strife

    Solemn silence now surrounds us
    As we stand in memory
    Why must factions stir up conflict?
    This eternal mystery.
    Troubles hearts and stirs the conscience,
    Urges us to think again;
    Face the curse of confrontation,
    Yet reduce the searing pain.

    For the sound of war still thunders
    Through our planet, on this day.
    Every hour new victims suffer,
    Even as we meet to pray.
    God, we need your help and guidance
    in our constant search for peace.
    Move us on to new solutions
    As we pray that wars may cease.

  320. poohpity says:

    Steve, I agree with Pat. Thank you for your service to our country. I also thank all those Vet’s who are currently or formerly serving our country and their families for the ultimate act of love, laying down your life for the good of others.

  321. street says:

    Does any of this resonate with you? Anything that doesn’t?

    convict the world of sin. not believing God

    testifying of the Righteousness of God, God sending His Son to redeem fallen man and uphold His Glory and returning to the Right Hand of God.

    to testify of the the coming judgment in light of the cross of Christ. Christ condemning all flesh and blood at the cross because of sin and offering new life/eternal in a Covenant with a Holy Spirit in His blood.

    you are right mart that Jesus unmasked the devil at the cross. giving us a sure hope.

  322. jeff1 says:

    God is our refuge and our strength,
    Our ever present aid;
    And therefore, though the earth gives way,
    We will not be afraid.
    In every land throughout the earth
    He makes all conflict cease;
    He shatters bow and spear and shield,
    And brings his reign of peace.

    Come, see the works the LORD has done-
    The judgements he commands,
    The desolations he has brought
    To pass in many lands.
    Be still, and know that I am God,
    On earth exalted high;
    And all the nations of the world
    My name will glorify.

    The LORD Almighty is with us
    To strengthen and sustain;
    For Jacob’s God our strong defence
    And fortress will remain.
    To Father, Son and Holy Ghost
    The God whom we adore.
    Be! Glory as it was and is,
    And shall be evermore.

  323. Beloved says:

    Verse of the Day
    1 John 2:15-16

    Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him.For all that is in the world—the desires of the flesh and the desires of the eyes and pride of life—is not from the Father but is from the world.

    I think this is a hard verse, it causes me trouble.

  324. Beloved says:

    Viv we are studying Gods response to Job this week. Psalm 46 fits perfectly!

  325. street says:

    i am crucified with Christ
    Christ raised from the dead and lives
    Christ died for me so that i may live with Him.

    the Holy Spirit freely given as down payment.
    convicting the world of sin righteousness and judgment.

    meeting with Christ in the heavens to be apart of His Triumphant return.

    the meek inherit the earth….

    to live is Christ….to die is gain.

  326. street says:

    God so loved the World…

    we are to so love God…

    i wonder if loving God is the greatest thank you we can give?

  327. Beloved says:

    I wonder. According to John either we love God OR the world. No middle ground. One foot in the world and the other in the Kingdom? Not possible. Yet as Spurgeon I think said we walk between heaven and earth. So, as we will shake off this dusty exterior eventually, we shake off the things of the world that hold our affections daily to find more love for our Creator Who made us, Who gave us His spirit and breath, as Elihu said. Bless the LORD, oh my soul!

  328. street says:

    in the world, but not of it.

    children of God.

    learning to love because He first loved us.

  329. street says:

    thinking how the conviction of sin Glorifies God!

    how Christ Glories God!

    how Judgment Glorifies God!

    it really is about the Glory of Perfection Beauty Strength Justice Mercy Grace Faithfulness…………….

  330. jeff1 says:

    Wrong expectations on my part does not change what the bible teaches about our Christian journey.

    God of the mountain

    Life is easy, when your up on the mountain
    And you’re got peace of mind, like your never known
    But things change, when your down in the valley
    Don’t lose faith, for your never alone

    For the God on the mountain, is still God in the valley
    When things go wrong, he’ll make them right
    And the God of the good times, is still God in the bad times
    The God of the day, is still God in the night

    We talk of faith way up on the mountain
    But talk comes easy, when life’s at its best
    Now its down in the valleys, trials and temptations
    That’s where your faith is really put to the test

    For the God on the mountain, is still God in the valley,
    When things go wrong, he’ll make them right
    And the God of the good times, is still God in the bad times
    The God of the day, is still God in the night
    The God of the day, is still God in the night

  331. foreverblessed says:

    Dear Jeff, yes, we can ask for more faith, when down in the valley.
    Stephen saw heaven opened, on the darkest hour of his life. I bet, he was so thrilled that he didn’t mi d what happened to his body! God is always with us. But I guess it means that we have learned to ” lose our life” as Jesus said:
    “He that loses his life will find it”

    The sun is shining now, and there has been some rain. The water is very welcome!
    What a tragedy in California! The drought that makes such a beautiful place a dangerous place. When I was young the promised land was California, second after the Kingdom of Christ, that would come.

    I was thinking about Andy telling that we shouldn’t aside the Old Covenant thinking: that is a kingdom and a king of a chosen people. I was daisy in a church that looked forward to Christ coming back, Israel as a nation brought back to the land of Israel, Jesus as King and the old covenant laws as the law restored, (with exception to the sacrifices)
    The second coming of Jesus, which they thought would be on the Holiday of Trumpets, was the greatest day in history.
    The rule of God on earth restored.
    So I was always looking forward to a fulfilled life, that was only in the figure. And that depended on every body keeping the laws. So my happiness depended on other people.

    So now the New Covenant thinking:
    The life in the Spirit.
    We can have the full life now, in this valley of humiliation.
    A bit of heaven in us now, Jesus in us, despite the wrong in the world.

    I am stretching myself forward to that message:
    Christ in you Col 1:27-28
    With all all His energy Paul was struggling to get this message across.
    The Jews, like the disciples, had to unlearn the Old Convenient thinking, of the chosen people, Peter saw that vision, Acts 10:9-48
    Peter gives a good sermon:
    ” I now realise how true it is that God does not show favouritism, but accepts men from every nation who fear Him and do what is right.
    This is the message God sent to the people of Israel, telling the good news of peace through Jesus Christ, who is Lord of all.v35-36
    V43 All the prophets testify about Him that everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins through His Name.
    Acts 10:43

    So here Peter gets a whole day message out of the Old Testament scriptures:
    Not the coming of a literal king to restore a literal kingdom,

    But forgiveness of sins!

    That new life in Christ
    In the Spirit.
    The freedom of the slavery in sin, freed from the kingdom of darkness
    Having all the fullness that we have in Jesus right now.

    2 Peter 1:3-11
    His divine power ( that Resurrection Power) has given us everything we need for life and godliness through our knowledge of Him who called us by His own glory and goodness.

    Now already God is reigning in my heart. Reigning more and more.
    Beloved, I believe that we learn more and more to be submissive to Jesus, and leave the world behind, having g died with Christ, to our old self, and having a new life in Christ.

    Living 1 Cor 13:4-7
    Instead of the old way: Eye for an eye

    But how long it takes to let go of that old way. At least with me.
    Hold fast
    He that overcomes ( holding fast to Jesus, despite difficulties)

  332. foreverblessed says:

    Life in the future ( not figure)
    Full life now: Christ in me
    Despite adverse situations.

    We can ask God all we need now:
    Love, Peace, comfort, patience
    Come to Me you who labour, and I will give you Rest.

    Rest now, Today

  333. jeff1 says:

    I never said that I would give you silver or gold
    Or that you would never feel the fire or shiver in the cold
    But I did say you’d never walk through this world alone
    And I did say, don’t make this world your home

    I never said that fear wouldn’t find you in the night
    Or that loneliness was something you’d never have to fight
    But I did say I’d be right there by your side
    And I did say I’ll always help you fight

    ‘Cause you know I made a promise that I intend to keep
    My grace will be sufficient in every time of need
    And my love will be the anchor that you can hold onto
    This is the promise, this is the promise I made to you

    I never said that friends would never turn their backs on you
    Or that the world around you wouldn’t see you as a fool
    But I did say like me you’ll surely be despised
    And I did say my ways confound the wise

    I didn’t say you’d never taste the bitter kiss of death
    Or have to walk through chilly Jordan to enter into rest
    But I did say I’d be waiting right on the other side
    (Yeah, yeah)
    And I did say I’ll dry every tear you cry

    Cause you know I made a promise that I’ve prepared a place
    And some day sooner than you think you’ll see me face to face
    And you’ll sing with the angels and a countless multitude
    This is the promise, this is the promise I’ve made to you

    So just keep on walkin’, don’t turn to the left or right
    And in the midst of darkness, let this be your light
    That hell can’t separate us and you’re gonna make it through
    This is the promise, this is the promise I made to you

  334. foreverblessed says:

    Amen Jeff!

    Today’s reading in the Big Church of our city is:
    Psalm 46 and Revelation 6:6-17

    Reading Revelation makes me shiver. How dreadful.
    But did I forget so quickly Psalm 46:1-3?

    V2 Therefore we will not fear, though the earth give way.
    And the mountains fall into the heart of the sea,
    Though it’s waters roar and foam,
    And the mountains quake with their surging

    V1 God is our Refuge and strength
    An ever present help in trouble

  335. jeff1 says:

    God finds a way through music, through nature, through books, through religion, through people to connect to us and let us know we are His.

    “But courage, child: we are all between the paws of the true Aslan.” C.S. Lewis, The Last Battle

    “And as He spoke, He no longer looked to them like a lion; but the things that began to happen after that were so great and beautiful that I cannot write them. And for us this the end of all the stories, and we can most truly say that they all lived happily ever after. But for them it was only the beginning of the real story. All their life in this world and all their adventures in Narnia had only been the cover and the title page: now at last they were beginning Chapter One of the Great Story which no one on earth has read: which goes on for ever: in which every chapter is better than the one before.” ― C.S. Lewis, The Last Battle

    “They have chosen cunning instead of belief. Their prison is only in their minds, yet they are in that prison; and so afraid of being taken in that they cannot be taken out.”
    ― C.S. Lewis, The Last Battle

    “Emeth speaking of Aslan, “Beloved, said the Glorious One, unless thy desire had been for me thou wouldst not have sought so long and so truly. For all find what they truly seek…And since then, O Kings and Ladies, I have been wandering to find him and my happiness is so great that it even weakens me like a wound. And this is the marvel of marvels, that he called me Beloved, me who am but as a dog”
    ― C.S. Lewis, The Last Battle

  336. SFDBWV says:

    Though the topic has long petered out, the heart of mercy and grace remain.

    Yes Foreverblessed the fires in California are horrific and the death toll continues to rise.

    Last evening on the news was a little bit of a woman driving through flames in her car trying to escape the blaze all the while crying out to God to save her and get her through.

    I have to wonder how many of the dead did the same only to die in the flames.

    Long ago it was told to me by another weather observer that whatever weather was going on in the western US it was the opposite going on in the eastern US.

    It remains true.

    We have had one of the wettest years in memory and in fact it is raining and will be turning to snow today.

    Every generation from the beginning has wondered if they were the last. The answer is given in that old ancient writing in the Bible, both testaments.

    If I understand things properly we the “Church” will only witness the birth pangs of the return of Christ. Every catastrophic event I witness in the news I am reminded of that. And yearn sadly and happily for that “trumpet call” as the voice of the Archangel calls for us to “come up hither”.

    It will be a real pleasure then to set down at the dinner table with you and all of the others I have come to know here. With all the answers to all the questions we raise together today.

    35 degrees Fahrenheit and foggy with light drizzle.


  337. foreverblessed says:

    Dear Steve, I really look forward to that dinner!

    Last topic was about being unhitched from the Old Covenant Law.
    This morning, I read:
    Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
    1 Cor 14:34

    We have had in the years past, 2008 many topics that Mart gave about the submission of women.
    Here Paul clearly is still under the Law.
    The law says that women should be in submission..

    And Jesus says: He who is your leader should be you servant.

    So if the man is a servant like Jesus, no reason to resist submission.

    We submit to Christ.
    Point made.

    And from there I move.
    Jesus even said: if somebody (a Roman soldier) asks you to walk a mile, walk two mile.
    That is being like a servant.

    Jesus never demands submission, He wants that we chose for Him out of free will!

    So in the Spirit and kind of Jesus I should have no trouble with 1 Cor 14:34.
    I am just talking along.
    But Paul really was not unhitched from the OT Law.

    Or am I misunderstanding something?

  338. Beloved says:

    Fire is horrific! When my son and a friend died in a house fire his friends’ body was burned beyond recognition. Another friend escaped only because their cat woke him up. I stopped asking ‘why?’ long ago. But thinking about the burned landscape in California today I remembered how eventually green shoots will start appearing through the charred landscape and this came to mind:
    A shoot will come up from the stump of Jesse; from his roots a Branch will bear fruit. (Isaiah)

    Jesus, our hope and help in times of trouble. The same yesterday, today and tomorrow.

  339. poohpity says:

    In the areas of Corinth, Crete, Ephesus, Macedonia, etc. visited during Paul’s third missionary journey, found they worship the female goddesses Diana and/or Artemis. In the early churches established there it seems there had to be rules to draw people away from that Matriarchal society for more of a balance in a once dominated female culture worshiping female goddesses. So some of the instructions Paul writes to them are to do exactly that to bring balance in their churches i.e. head covering, no women talking in church but if they had questions they could ask their husbands at home, etc. but it was not going back under the Mosaic law.

    Most of Paul’s letters to the early churches were to solve problems they had infiltrating old ways of life causing strife and divisions within the body. The different cultures in those times as we still see some as missionaries still travel around the world today. The ones that take one’s focus off of God usually to worship something or someone else the missionaries address gently and in love, even still today if one listens to the missionaries going to places that still have not heard the Good News.

  340. poohpity says:

    God never promised that we would be without trials, troubles and suffering, look at how most of the Apostles were killed, look at how Jesus was killed. If people did pray to God while going through the fires, most likely started by people, then He was with them as they went through that and never left them just as He promised. Because one trusts in God does not mean tragedy will never befall us, that is what faith is all about. When we pass from this life no matter how that is we know that we will be home with the Lord. Having a relationship with God does not prevent trials, troubles or suffering nor should we ever expect that He will spare us from them, that is a false belief. In fact those who do follow the Lord often find they have more problems than one who does not because along with regular life circumstance they face persecution, rejection and hate.

  341. jeff1 says:

    Onward, Christian Soldiers

    Onward, Christian soldiers,
    Marching as to war,
    With the cross of Jesus
    Going on before.
    Christ, the royal master,
    Leads against the foe;
    Forward into battle
    See his banners go!

    Onward, Christian soldiers,
    Marching as to war,
    With the cross of Jesus
    Going on before.

    Like a mighty army
    Moves the Church of God;
    Brothers, we are treading
    Where the saints have trod.
    We are not divided,
    All one body we,
    One in hope and doctrine,
    One in charity.

    Onward, Christian soldiers,
    Marching as to war,
    With the cross of Jesus
    Going on before.
    Crowns and thrones may perish,
    Kingdoms rise and wane,
    But the church of Jesus
    Constant will remain.
    Gates of hell can never
    Against that Church prevail;
    We have Christ’s own promise,
    And that cannot fail.

    Onward, Christian soldiers,
    Marching as to war,
    With the cross of Jesus
    Going on before.

    Onward, then, ye faithful,
    Join our happy throng,
    Blend with ours your voices
    In the triumph song:
    Glory, laud, and honour
    Unto Christ, the king;
    This through countless ages
    Men and angels sing.

    Onward, Christian soldiers,
    Marching as to war,
    With the cross of Jesus Going on before.

  342. Beloved says:

    Yes, and everyone who wants to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will suffer persecution.

  343. street says:

    Blowin’ in the Wind

    thinking how bad Theology can really give the devil a foot hold and wreck havoc in a soul of man.

    we are told of a perseverance of the Saints. a steadfastness with no regrets, but a waiting joy.

    a High Priest always on duty for the Elect in Christ.

    a Shepard that will not lose a single one that comes to Him. a Shepard that will go after wandering sheep, watching them always. preparing a table daily for them. come eat, enjoy sweet fellowship with the Shepard of your soul. the tree of life, and leaves for the healing of the nations.

    sure we get hardship/conformed, but also eternal life.

  344. Beloved says:

    Yet no one complained about maltreatment; Jesus, Paul, Peter, John, Mark, Luke OR the prophets, not for long, anyway, because they knew Who they trusted and Who they loved and followed each day of their walk with God.

    35 Then Elihu said:

    2 “Do you think this is just?
    You say, ‘I am in the right, not God.’
    3 Yet you ask him, ‘What profit is it to me,
    and what do I gain by not sinning?’

    4 “I would like to reply to you
    and to your friends with you.
    5 Look up at the heavens and see;
    gaze at the clouds so high above you.
    6 If you sin, how does that affect him?
    If your sins are many, what does that do to him?
    7 If you are righteous, what do you give to him,
    or what does he receive from your hand?
    8 Your wickedness only affects humans like yourself,
    and your righteousness only other people.

    9 “People cry out under a load of oppression;
    they plead for relief from the arm of the powerful.
    10 But no one says, ‘Where is God my Maker,
    who gives songs in the night,
    11 who teaches us more than he teaches the beasts of the earth
    and makes us wiser than the birds in the sky?’

    12 He does not answer when people cry out
    because of the arrogance of the wicked.

    13 Indeed, God does not listen to their empty plea;
    the Almighty pays no attention to it.

  345. poohpity says:

    Matt 26: Then Jesus went with them to the olive grove called Gethsemane, and he said, “Sit here while I go over there to pray.” 37 He took Peter and Zebedee’s two sons, James and John, and he became anguished and distressed. 38 He told them, “My soul is crushed with grief to the point of death. Stay here and keep watch with me.”

    Luke 22:44 so I would say Jesus did complain about maltreatment but to God.

    Paul 2 Cor: You put up with it when someone enslaves you, takes everything you have, takes advantage of you, takes control of everything, and slaps you in the face. 21 I’m ashamed to say that we’ve been too “weak” to do that!

    Five different times the Jewish leaders gave me thirty-nine lashes. 25 Three times I was beaten with rods. Once I was stoned. Three times I was shipwrecked. Once I spent a whole night and a day adrift at sea. 26 I have traveled on many long journeys. I have faced danger from rivers and from robbers. I have faced danger from my own people, the Jews, as well as from the Gentiles. I have faced danger in the cities, in the deserts, and on the seas. And I have faced danger from men who claim to be believers but are not.[c] 27 I have worked hard and long, enduring many sleepless nights. I have been hungry and thirsty and have often gone without food. I have shivered in the cold, without enough clothing to keep me warm.

    28 Then, besides all this, I have the daily burden of my concern for all the churches. 29 Who is weak without my feeling that weakness? Who is led astray, and I do not burn with anger?

    Paul complained and admitted to be being to weak to turn the other cheek and burn with anger.

  346. Beloved says:

    Crying out in pain to God is not complaining. Telling others about our struggles is not complaining unless we leave God out of it or don’t want to hear about God. We are to hear one another’s burdens through pointing them to God who knows all and sees all. Paul and Jesus always pointed to God in their discourses.

  347. Beloved says:

    Paul’s churches were being threatened by false teaching and division caused by the celebrity worship of leaders, all of which was moving them away from Christ and the core of Pauls teachings. Paul reluctantly tried to prove His sincerity to the Gospel by reminding them all he had been through for them. Not complaining. Pouring his heart out so they would not fall away. In his weakness Christ was glorified.

  348. Beloved says:

    Blowing in the wind

    God will not be pinned down by religion, theologies or words on paper. However, the Spirit moves throughout helping us get a better grasp of Who He is and what He wants of us. The answer, my friend, is blowing in the wind.

  349. foreverblessed says:

    Dear Beloved, yesterday I posted a comment for you, but it has not appeared:
    May God bless you intensely, after this terrible ordeal with your son and his friend.
    May He turn everything around, as you say, a new shoot comes up from the ashes.

  350. foreverblessed says:

    Mart is showing us a great example of how to discuss. He has done that for years!
    ” It seems to me…”
    Showing us that you show humility, that this is how you see it, but you may have a little different insight.
    All is alright.
    But it keeps the discussion humble and the water flows, or… the wind blows.

    And as we walk with Jesus we may see a deeper meaning of a Bible verse that we had not noticed before. So you can say God’s truth is many facetted.

    Like for the Gospels, every Gospel shows a different side of who Jesus was:
    The four faces of the angels in the vision of Isaiah, and the four beasts in Revelation.

    If someone only sees one side, and not the other, and keeps hammering to his interpretation, is that a sin?

    It is hindering the breath of the Holy Spirit. There is obstruction.
    The wind cannot flow freely, the water cannot stream easy.

    Please, take heart of Mart’s example:
    It seems to me….

  351. foreverblessed says:

    At a church Bible study, we once had a training, people one by one could say what they thought, and the point was:
    Not to gainsay, but just to meditate upon what the other had said.

    The point of it all was that going through that training, how prone we are to pointingout that it was a little different than what the person had said.
    Especially evangelicals and Pentecostal people are like that.
    Just saying:
    “thank you for your insight, I will think about it for awhile,”

    How difficult that is!
    That is also killing of the old self!
    Less of me more of Him.

    As Street so often says

  352. foreverblessed says:

    As an example I will tell you the following:
    When I was young, I thought that the meaning of Song of Solomon was the love between a husband and wife.
    I did not see the deeper meaning of the burning love of Christ for a believer, personally, and as the Bride, the collective body of believers and the marriage to Christ.

    When at that time you would have discussed that with me, I would have said; In stressing the spiritual love of Christ, you do not see the love it describes between a husband and wife.
    I did not know any better.

    Neither had I learned to say: It seems to me.
    I am learning that now.

    There is another bible verse:
    Matthew 11:12
    And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.

    forceful: Greek: biázō – properly, to use power to forcibly seize, laying hold of something with positive aggressiveness. (from biblehub) Twice used in teh Nerw testament, both in a positive way, Matthew 11:12, Luke 16:16

    But years ago, maybe 20 years, this was used in a christian convention, the first time I heard it was used in a positive way; That we had to force our way into the Kingdom, that it meant great energy from our side.
    And I just refused to believe it meant that way, I still thought it was a negative thing Jesus said about the Gospel: People trying to distort it.

    It took some years for me to slowly see that maybe Jesus indeed meant that people had to use force to go into the Kingdom, that it meant:
    Force, used in a positive way:
    A strong seeking, a knocking, a praying without end, like the widow, who kept asking for help.
    Overcoming, conquering in the name of Jesus.

    BUt always in faith, knowing that without the resurection Power, we would still be imprisoned.

  353. foreverblessed says:


    My Kingdom must be won by force, that is, by effort. How can you reconcile this with My free gift of Salvation?

    My gift is free truly, and is not the reward of any merit on the part of Man. But just as God and mammon cannot both be given the overlordship in any one life, so My Kingdom, where I rule as King, cannot be inhabited by one in whom self reigns.

    Therefore the violence is that of discipline and self-conquest, together with the intensity of longing for My Kingdom and tireless effort to know and do My Will.

    God at eventide, October 20

  354. foreverblessed says:

    So that what I vehemently thought was very wrong, was a very true thing, the truth of the Gospel, deeper still than I could see at that time.
    So I do very well agree with Mart:
    It seems to me…

  355. poohpity says:

    I got in so much trouble as a child when I asked my parents in confusion I see you do this but you say to do something entirely different. I guess that is where this motto came from “practice what you preach” it seems so much easier to tell people how to do things rather than being an example.

    Yes Joyce it does say in scripture to share your burdens, faults and failures with each other and it even gives the reason why doing that is good in our journey together. Honestly and being real is always a plus for humility, I think that is why in the bible we get to read first hand the struggles that those who went before us struggle with in the process of this journey with the Lord as well, so we do not feel alone and become aware of just how truly amazing God’s grace actually is. Gal 6:2-4; James 5:16

    It brings awareness to what Jesus meant in the comparison of the religious leader who shared all the good things he had done to the tax collector who stood at a distance and beat his chest saying I am a sinner.

  356. poohpity says:

    After the Holy Spirit came we no longer have to pretend to be something we are not since God knows even our thoughts and motives for doing what we do, so why hide it from anyone else to gain their favor and praise. If we share then it is God who gets the praise and glory for all He has done for us.

  357. Beloved says:

    I have been crucified with Christ, nevertheless I live. Yet not I, but Christ lives in me. God has given me plenty of opportunities in the past to share how He has changed me, and I have shared my old life, but He is still changing me daily, and it’s the daily testimonies He and I care about. Not I, but Christ is all important to me. I have left behind those things and am looking forward to becoming all that Christ gave Himself up for me to be, His new creation. What you now see and hear is what He has done for me. The old is passing away as I become new! New life, New focus, Christ alone. Not that I don’t get easily turned, my flesh is so weak, but my Shepherd promised long ago to keep me, and so with bruised knees I find my strength renewed daily. I would not trade my old life for anything!!! If you are saying, pooh, that I am pretending you are so wrong! Unless you are speaking to people in general. I could be wrong, I usually am.

  358. poohpity says:

    Yes you are wrong I was not pointing a finger at anyone. It was a general statement about what all human beings have in common. Why, do you feel guilty or have a conviction in your heart brought to mind from the Holy Spirit?

  359. Beloved says:

    Please forgive me. Yet God gave me an opportunity to share my faith and my journey! May it be a blessing to someone today!

  360. jeff1 says:

    My friend told me of a friend of hers who considered herself to be a Christian but she (my friend) found this woman to be harsh when others faltered.

    Then her own son did something that was contrary to her Christian beliefs and my friend noted how when it came to her own child forgiveness was much quicker to be applied while criticism of others was still apparent.

    We cannot change a believer unless they see their need to change and if they believe there is nothing wrong with them in the first place then nothing changes.

    I have heard believers say the Jews put Jesus on the cross as if they do not hold themselves accountable for doing so or saying I haven’t killed anyone as if their sin is not as bad as another.

    I can only do my best and let God do the rest because often people will believe what they want to believe.

    Quotes from C. S. Lewis

    Those who do not think about their own sins make up for it by thinking incessantly about the sins of others.

    Our Father refreshes us on the journey with some pleasant inns, but will not encourage us to mistake them for home.

    Isn’t it funny how day by day nothing changes, but when you look back, everything is different.

    Whenever we find that our religious life is making us feel that we are good – above all, that we are better than someone else – I think we may be sure that we are being acted on, not by God, but by the devil.

    The New Testament writers speak as if Christ’s achievement in rising from the dead was the first event of its kind in the whole history of the universe. He is the ‘first fruits,’ the pioneer of life,’ He has forced open a door that has been locked since the death of the first man. He has met, fought, and beaten the King of Death. Everything is different because He has done so.

    The Church exists for nothing else but to draw men into Christ, to make them little Christs. If they are not doing that, all the cathedrals, clergy, missions, sermons, even the Bible itself, are simply a waste of time. God became Man for no other purpose.

    I am sure that God keeps no one waiting unless he sees that it is good for him to wait.

    The greatest evils in the world will not be carried out by men with guns, but by men in suits sitting behind desks.

    After each failure, ask forgiveness, pick yourself up, and try again. Very often what God first helps us toward is not the virtue itself but just this power of always trying again. For however important chastity (or courage, or truthfulness, or any other virtue) may be, this process trains us in habits of the soul which are more important still. It cures our illusions about ourselves and teaches us to depend on God. We learn, on the one hand, that we cannot trust ourselves even in our best moments, and, on the other, that we need not despair even in our worst, for our failures are forgiven.

    The problem of reconciling human suffering with the existence of a God who loves, is only insoluble so long as we attach a trivial meaning to the word “love”, and look on things as if man were the centre of them. Man is not the centre. God does not exist for the sake of man. Man does not exist for his own sake. “Thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.” We were made not primarily that we may love God (though we were made for that too) but that God may love us, that we may become objects in which the divine love may rest “well pleased”.

  361. Beloved says:

    I still love this Mart and have to remind myself often!

    (3) that in his suffering and death Jesus exposed the original lie of an Enemy who didn’t want us to believe that our Creator only wants the best for us.

  362. Beloved says:

    …and a third to help us understand how the one who led us into all malice and mayhem has been defeated.

    Defeated!! How easy to forget with such a formidable enemy! Cunning, deceptive, liar that thrives on leading Gods sheep astray. When I wander from the Truth it is the enemy who cheers me on…oh it’s not THAT bad…no one will see you..if God REALLY loved you He would stop the bad things from happening to you and others; the list goes on and on. But God says He’s defeated! Who am I going to listen to? And follow, today?

  363. Beloved says:

    The Choice is easy.

  364. poohpity says:

    Beloved I do forgive you for jumping to conclusions about my comments being directed towards you when they weren’t. Thank you.

  365. jeff1 says:

    In holy pages, this truth can be found.
    A promise to stand on when darkness abounds.
    Oh right never loses, and wrong never wins.
    And grace will always be greater than sin.
    Grace will always be greater than sin.
    Calvary has proven it time and again.
    Whatever you’ve done, wherever you’ve been–
    God’s grace will always be greater than sin.
    Broken and bruised from the choices you’ve made,
    Sin has a price and so often you’ve paid.
    Oh but Jesus is waiting, new hope is in Him.
    And grace will always be greater than sin!
    Grace will always be greater than sin.
    Calvary has proven it time and again.
    Whatever you’ve done, wherever you’ve been–
    God’s grace will always be greater than sin.
    Grace, grace, God’s grace–
    Grace that is greater than all my sin!
    Whatever you’ve done, wherever you’ve been–
    God’s grace will always be greater than sin!

  366. Beloved says:

    Thanks Viv for that reminder. God is all about grace, the enemy is all about accusing and manipulating. I’m feeling kind of sick about my earlier interactions; duped again! But God is greater. Need to take another break. Bless you.

  367. jeff1 says:

    I think the latter end of this quote from C. S. Lewis emphasises God’s love for us and that we should rest in this truth especially when others try to disturb our peace either through ignorance or malice.

    We owe it to God to be at peace with ourselves as that is what He wants for us in a world that can be so disturbing.

    We were made not primarily that we may love God (though we were made for that too) but that God may love us, that we may become objects in which the divine love may rest “well pleased”.

  368. jeff1 says:

    Beloved, I struggle greatly having difficulties of the head but in my heart I know I can trust God.

  369. Beloved says:

    Viv my tendency is to trust no one or being gullible trust and hope for the best and end up getting burned more often than not. No wonder with my poor and confusing parenting growing up! Jesus is teaching me to not be so hard on myself, reminding me a few minutes ago that nothing surprises Him, and that being in control of all events throughout my day I can rest in that awesome care. He’s a good Dad! Being well pleased with me is something else to mull over. Thanks. Appreciate your encouragement!

  370. jeff1 says:

    Yes, I understand as my friend tells me I am much too naive which means you get hurt a lot. Although my dad was full of wisdom my mum was unstable and volatile and was prone to outbursts of violence against herself and my dad which was disturbing for me and my brother and sister.

    Although I listened to my dad more than my mum I spent more time with my mum and consequently I am more like her than I am my dad in that I can be self destructive.

    I am trying to live in the present and put the past in the past but my son is suffering emotionally at present and so history keeps repeating itself it would seem.

    God’s love is the constant that steadies me when I begin to feel overwhelmed with life because somehow in my heart I know it is real while all else is fleeting in this life God’s love remains the same and so no matter what is going on in my head my heart knows otherwise and that makes my faith real for me.

    I don’t need to fill my head full of knowledge when I feel my heart is much more effected by God than my head ever is.

  371. foreverblessed says:

    God’s grace is bigger!
    And so we can ask for more grace, towards ourselves and towards others.
    70 times 7

    What Jeff posted, CS Lewis
    The New Testament writers speak as if Christ’s achievement in rising from the dead was the first event of its kind in the whole history of the universe. He is the ‘first fruits,’ the pioneer of life,’ He has forced open a door that has been locked since the death of the first man. He has met, fought, and beaten the King of Death. Everything is different because He has done so.

    The last topic, the Bible started with the Resurrection.
    But what a powerful thing happened there.
    And that resurrection Life of Jesus now lives in us!
    Evil is defeated!
    I can praise God more and more

    Then I thought
    “To this I will appeal: the years of the right hand of the Most High”
    I will remember your miracles of long ago.
    I will meditate on all your works
    and consider all your mighty deeds

    Psalm 77:10-12

    Psalm 77:13-20

  372. foreverblessed says:

    Dear Steve, I was looking at Christianity Today, and found an article on Joni Earickson Tada, a beautiful article, I know for sure you know a lot about her. But she is also saying (twice or three times a week), she is praying to God: to die is gain, because then I will be with Christ.
    Be blessed and encouraged, you and Matt, and Glenna, and all yours!

  373. SFDBWV says:

    Yes Foreverblessed, I too receive Christianity Today and read her article. Long ago I had connected Matthew up with a web site she was affiliated with. She is a great example of faith and encouragement.

    The web site I believe was called “The Sunshine room” where others dealing with disabilities could talk with each other. It didn’t work out as hoped for Matt so we have long since abandoned it.

    Bless you for thinking of us. We are experiencing a bad ice, sleet and projected snow storm today. I will most likely cancel plans to make an eye appointment for me today as traveling will become hazardous.

    Praying all is well with you and yours today.


  374. jeff1 says:

    More quotes from C. S. Lewis that ring truth to me.

    “The Christian does not think God will love us because we are good, but that God will make us good because He loves us.”

    “To be a Christian means to forgive the inexcusable because God has forgiven the inexcusable in you.”

    “We are not necessarily doubting that God will do the best for us; we are wondering how painful the best will turn out to be.”

    “There are far, far better things ahead than any we leave behind.”

    “Love is not affectionate feeling, but a steady wish for the loved person’s ultimate good as far as it can be obtained.”

    “I have learned now that while those who speak about one’s miseries usually hurt, those who keep silence hurt more.”

    “God can’t give us peace and happiness apart from Himself because there is no such thing.”

    “He died not for men, but for each man. If each man had been the only man made, He would have done no less.”

  375. poohpity says:

    One can totally see the difference that happened in an atheist when he met Jesus by his writings, that is C.S. Lewis. So in tune with the Spirit of God, one can read the love that comes from all his writings. What a gift God gave him to share the good news in unique ways.

  376. poohpity says:

    Do you remember that day when you came to believe in how much you were loved by God and turned your life over to Him? Then got baptized in His name? I so remember the excitement and joy that followed of being forgiven and excepted into His family. May that day never be forgotten and the embers of that first love be ignited into flames once more.

  377. poohpity says:

    Is it accepted or excepted? Maybe I just should have said received into God’s family. lol Obviously I was not given the gift of writing.

  378. poohpity says:

    They will know we are Christians by the love we have for others.

  379. jeff1 says:

    I faced a mountain
    That I never faced before
    That’s why I’m calling on the Lord
    I know it’s been awhile
    Lord please hear my prayer
    I need you like I never have before

    Sometimes it takes a mountain
    Sometimes a troubled sea
    Sometimes it takes a desert
    To get a hold of me
    Your Love is so much stronger
    Then whatever troubles me
    Sometimes it takes a mountain
    To trust you and believe
    Far from you Jesus
    I thought I could control
    Whatever life would throw my way
    But this I will admit
    Has brought me to my knees
    I need you Lord and I’m not ashamed to say

    (Repeat chorus)
    Sometimes it takes a mountain
    Sometimes a troubled sea
    Sometimes it takes a desert
    To get a hold of me
    Your Love is so much stronger
    Then whatever troubles me
    Sometimes it takes a mountain
    Sometimes it takes a mountain
    To trust you and believe

  380. Beloved says:

    We had minus 10 F a couple days this week!! Crazy. We are about 20 degrees below normal for October for weeks now. Grace 70×7, I like that thought!

    This morning when I woke up (amazing how a good night’s sleep can bring clarity) I knew 2 things, first, that assuming is NOT a sin, and 2nd, that the father of lies has tight control over poohpity. When the Holy Spirit convicts it brings peace and healing, like a good Father does. I got sick to my stomach being in conversation yesterday. That was not from God! But, being gullible and insecure (neither of which are sins, by the way) I fell for the lies and manipulation. The heart is connected to the stomach and so forth.

    Isn’t it so good to know such a wonderfully just and merciful God!! Yes, the past comes up to haunt but also to remind us of the winning love of God! Grateful to God that in my weakness He is stronger, learning to love, I learned more, yesterday. Thank you LORD Jesus!

  381. street says:

    But she is also saying (twice or three times a week), she is praying to God: to die is gain, because then I will be with Christ.

    Joni Earickson Tada is one of my favorite souls. i know we are not to have favorites. anyway her voice is easily recognized by me and i have listen to her when i do hear her. she is like barnabas, pure encouragement.

    i like her, pray to die too, regularly. i do know our prays will be answered someday. the thing is to get over ourselves, our stumbling block or thorn in the flesh. it seems to be more acute in the valley, where God is nearest. strengthening and upholding His little ones.

    the last thought involes the part of the verse that has overlooked…..to live is Christ!!!!!!!!!! shared suffering joy peace and a love that endures.

    not by power not by might , but by My Spirit Says the LORD. God’s grace and peace be upon you and in you.

    praying for my bothers and sisters

  382. Beloved says:

    “Not to have favorites”, please explain, thanks.

  383. poohpity says:

    Joyce, God bless your heart. Again one sees in others what we are guilty of ourselves. Satan is not only the father of lies but is also known as the accuser of the brethren as well. So who is it he has control of? Probably need to do some self evaluation before one points fingers at others.

    You assumed I had directed a comment to you when I did not then you asked for forgiveness when I said you were wrong about that now you have once again put me in the cross hairs of your distortions. Will it ever get old for you?

  384. Beloved says:

    Well, you definitely are a tool in the enemies hands. Deflection, criticism, etc etc etc. You are an enemy of the saints in Christ Jesus.

  385. Beloved says:

    Yet, as we learned from Job a tool in God’s hands. To God be the glory, now and forevermore!

  386. poohpity says:

    Yep I guess I am a tool in the enemies hands since you accused me of that. I must be doing something right for you to continually accuse me of things that are false. Jesus was often accused of doing the work of the devil so I am in very good company. John 8:48

  387. jeff1 says:

    The love of God is greater far
    Than tongue or pen can ever tell.
    It goes beyond the highest star
    And reaches to the lowest hell.
    The guilty pair, bowed down with care,
    God gave His Son to win;
    His erring child He reconciled
    And pardoned from his sin.
    O love of God, how rich and pure!
    How measureless and strong!
    It shall forevermore endure—
    The saints’ and angels’ song.
    When hoary time shall pass away,
    And earthly thrones and kingdoms fall;
    When men who here refuse to pray,
    On rocks and hills and mountains call;
    God’s love, so sure, shall still endure,
    All measureless and strong;
    Redeeming grace to Adam’s race—
    The saints’ and angels’ song.
    Could we with ink the ocean fill,
    And were the skies of parchment made;
    Were every stalk on earth a quill,
    And every man a scribe by trade;
    To write the love of God above
    Would drain the ocean dry;
    Nor could the scroll contain the whole,
    Though stretched from sky to sky.

  388. Beloved says:

    Pooh I don’t hear from you anything close to how Jesus lived His life here. You can quote scripture but that’s about it. Your comparing yourself to God is highly blasphemous.

  389. street says:

    “Not to have favorites”, please explain, thanks.

    there are some people who i have great affection for, like some other Christian i do not have an opportunity to show them. paul spoke of the problem.

    even so i would think i should have the same affection for all my brothers and sisters in Christ. the term in-ordainment affection comes to mind. God is impartial in His love for all mankind.

    thinking about when people fast and pray are to do it privately. the idea is when you are having a real bad day and you are confronted with an opportunity for generosity kindness goodness or patients and that is the last thing on your mind. the gift Honors God greatly when surrender yourself and obey. in other words abiding in Him and not yourself. the partiality of self. not to be trusted. in God we trust.

  390. Beloved says:

    W O W

    inordinate. Something that’s excessive or that goes way beyond normal limits is inordinate — like an overly obsessive love for chocolate or a fantasy football junkie who spends an inordinate amount of time checking his team. The adjective inordinate is the exact opposite of “reasonable” and “moderate.

    Still learning to love. ‘Reasonable’ fits me to a T. Back to kindergarten.

  391. Beloved says:

    I just heard RC talk about Paul saying they didn’t have an opportunity to bless him financially.

    In quiet the LORD told me the same thing, speak to Him first before speaking to others, especially when having a bad day. Bless you friend.

  392. Beloved says:

    Surgeon evening devotional is so good.

    Blessings to ALL here.

  393. Beloved says:


  394. Beloved says:

    i like her, pray to die too, regularly. i do know our prays will be answered someday. the thing is to get over ourselves, our stumbling block or thorn in the flesh. it seems to be more acute in the valley, where God is nearest. strengthening and upholding His little ones.

    So much here street. Good stuff.

  395. Beloved says:

    Joyce, God bless your heart. Again one sees in others what we are guilty of ourselves.

    Not always. But what I hear from you so often is the same kind of confusing words I used to hear from my father. You think just like he did. According to what you write on here, anyway. In Gods sovereignty He has put us on the same blog. His will be done. Trusting He is immutable. Believing He is good. In the valley.

  396. jeff1 says:

    I love how God makes a way as I can always find a song to encourage and hope gives way to doubt and fear and peace prevails in the midst of tribulation.

    The miraculous work of God is that He knows each of us so well and what we need, as though, our trust in Him is what unites us, our needs as individuals differ entirely.

    God On The Mountain

    Life is easy, when you’re up on the mountain
    And you’ve got peace of mind, like you’ve never known
    But things change, when you’re down in the valley
    Don’t lose faith, for you’re never alone
    For the God on the mountain, is the God in the valley
    When things go wrong, He’ll make them right
    And the God of the good times
    Is still God in the bad times
    The God of the day is still God in the night
    We talk of faith way up on the mountain
    Talk comes so easy when life’s at its best
    Now down in the valleys, of trials and temptations
    That’s where your faith, is really put to the test
    For the God on the mountain is the God in the valley
    When things go wrong, He’ll make them right
    And the God of the good times
    Is still God in the bad times
    The God of the day, is still God in the night
    The God of the day, is still God in the night

  397. poohpity says:

    Joyce, I wish I could take credit for the wisdom in “Again one sees in others what we are guilty of ourselves.”. But I can’t that is what God teaches through His word; Romans 2:1 NIV

  398. Beloved says:

    Again, I am nothing like my father. We both sin, yes, but differently. Read more of the same reference and you will see what I mean. Taking one verse out of context and calling it Truth is misleading.

  399. Beloved says:

    We are to judge in love those within the Body of Christ, but not to judge outsiders. Since you refuse to accept correction ( judging) from Christians here I can only conclude you are not a part of Christ’s fold, which I’ve suspected for a while now, deborah.

  400. Beloved says:

    Romans starts out with the problem of Jewish and Gentile believers fighting about who is more or less justified to be called true believers. Paul says when you judge the other you are guilty of the same sin, meaning ALL people are included no matter their religious differences.

    Read the whole book at one sitting, over and over as needed to correctly understand what the author’s message is. I personally have reading difficulty (attention) so spend a lot of time in commentaries along with scripture to glean meanings I miss.

  401. Beloved says:

    See Romans

    I’m intrigued with what Jesus meant when he said that, in his physical absence, he was going to send his Spirit for at least three reasons:

    The first had to do with a new way to understand our sin,

  402. poohpity says:

    Yes you are right Joyce we have to leave verses in context so let me put Romans 2:1NIV in context with Romans 1:28-32 NLIV which preceded it by definition;

    28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. 29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. 32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them. then comes 2:1

    So those who do not promote unity or mercy but are deceitful, slanders, gossips, etc. yet think they have the right to point out or pick on the faults in others are not what Paul directs of those who are spiritual to restore. Gal 6:1-2 NLT

    So as you continue to twist God’s word to fit your defense first do some really deep self evaluation about your self and your faith rather than thinking it is your job to judge me, my friend it seems you may have missed the whole point of a relationship with Christ and being filled with His Spirit. When that Spirit was blowing in the wind it seems you may have ducked and missed it.

  403. poohpity says:

    If you had not ducked you may see what was meant by Jesus in: John 16:5-11 about the first thing you mentioned but was not what Jesus said at all.

  404. poohpity says:

    Joyce, what is so troubling to me is as you mentioned you do not know how I live my everyday life but yet find you have the right to comment on it, blindly I might add. Talking about things you know nothing about in my service to the Lord but often speak as if you do. So basically that is spreading false rumors and gossip look what that did to the life of Justice Kavanaugh trying to ruin his name or everyone else that smears someone without knowledge or the knowing of that person, it is just horrible.

  405. poohpity says:

    But that is no different from most who are of the world and are ruled by the flesh, it is common practice.

  406. Beloved says:

    Beloved says:
    November 15, 2018 at 10:52 pm
    Joyce, God bless your heart. Again one sees in others what we are guilty of ourselves.

    Not always. But what I hear from you so often is the same kind of confusing words I used to hear from my father. You think just like he did. According to what you write on here, anyway. In Gods sovereignty He has put us on the same blog. His will be done. Trusting He is immutable. Believing He is good. In the valley.

  407. Beloved says:

    My Utmost is very worthwhile reading today as always.

  408. Beloved says:

    I think we can both put our boxing gloves away and agree the love of God is far greater than either of us can grasp. But maybe since it is Gods will He will teach us; the weak, damaged, the unkind, the unloved. Let your tears wash His feet, as mine did today thinking of my father whom I loved, despite his inability to love, yet Jesus loves me! Because the Bible you and I both love tells us so.

  409. street says:

    If you are properly devoted to the Lord Jesus, you have reached the lofty height where no one would ever notice you personally.

    3 For you died, and your life is now hidden with Christ in God.

    See, my servant will act wisely[a];
    he will be raised and lifted up and highly exalted.
    Just as there were many who were appalled at him[b]—
    his appearance was so disfigured beyond that of any human being
    and his form marred beyond human likeness—
    so he will sprinkle many nations,[c]
    and kings will shut their mouths because of him.
    For what they were not told, they will see,
    and what they have not heard, they will understand.

    53 Who has believed our message?
    And to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?
    For He grew up before Him like a tender [a]shoot,
    And like a root out of parched ground;
    He has no stately form or majesty
    That we should look upon Him,
    Nor appearance that we should [b]be attracted to Him.
    He was despised and forsaken of men,
    A man of [c]sorrows and acquainted with [d]grief;
    And like one from whom men hide their face
    He was despised, and we did not esteem Him.

  410. street says:

    we did not esteem Him because we esteemed other things that pass away.

    John 5:24
    “Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life.

  411. jeff1 says:

    I think in the world today the challenge for Christians is to walk the walk more than talk the talk as I find that non believers are just as likely to be Godly like in their behaviour.

    Belief in Jesus is not enough for the world to see and why I am reluctant to call myself a Christian until I am not struggling with hatred of my enemies as it is contrary to Jesus’s teaching.

    It isn’t that my enemies do not commit evil against me but that my struggle within is real and so a stumbling block for me and I believe in time I will with God’s help overcome it but until I do I would feel it hypocritical of me to say I am a follower of Jesus as belief to my mind is the beginning of me recognising I need to change and accepting that God will do the rest.

    We talk of obedience but it is submission that God requires and the difference is that I must see my need for change or nothing changes and that comes when I focus on Christ who paid my ransom and it is not until my relationship with Him is right that I can expect my other relationship’s to be right as it is God’s command that I put Christ first in my life and this is not a command I should take lightly because it is what is required for a follower of Jesus as their is a huge difference in belief and submission and why each of our walks may look very different to each others as submission to God is what pleases Him as it transcends my will to His will which is what God requires to establish His Kingdom on earth.

  412. poohpity says:

    I think many problems come when we think we are required to be certain ways because that leads one to believe if we do not follow those requirements then there will be punishment of some kind. If more Christians were honest about the struggles they have walking the walk then other Christians would be quick to see that no one is perfect and how much grace fits into that scenario. But it seems most are not honest and wear masks of self righteousness which is the very reason they point out the faults in others. God seems to correct and guide but the choice is ours. He never forces His will on anyone but on the other hand people force their will on others and if they do not follow then they are rejected, hated, slandered, etc..

    Isn’t it more of a DESIRE, not required, from deep within our hearts to be like Jesus, knowing that it is only by HIM living His life in us and through us that that change is accomplished? Yes it is being submissive to His leading, listening to that small voice from deep within that says it would better for you to do this rather than that, not only better for you but for everyone you come in contact with. It seems people want to be leaders when Jesus’ desire is for us to have a desire to be His followers and servant’s to mankind as He was.

  413. poohpity says:

    It is a very good day to realize we are not put here to compare ourselves with others, or to judge degrees of sin in others and leave ours with out acknowledging. God never thought for a moment that we will ever be perfect or He would have never come down and gave His life to prove how much He loves humanity even while we sin and are considered His enemies.

    This walk with the Lord is not a done deal when one acknowledges that there is a God who come down and took on humanity and then was resurrected it is a process or a journey of a lifetime which no one is even a finished work of art until we see Him face to face. So one may ask why do we expect others to be perfect when we are not? That is what turns people away from Christ those who are not honest with the struggles of a Christ centered life, so we have to be all the more open that we are still in the process of becoming and have not made it yet. Then people will see that is why we came to Jesus in the first place for forgiveness, mercy and grace.

  414. jeff1 says:

    It seems to me that Jesus wants me to listen and submit to Him rather than getting distracted by this world, as He knows what is best for me, and until I see that, then I am likely to wander and doubt as though God does not demand submission He does want what is best for me and I think the difficulty is that I think I know myself better than God knows me when the latter is the truth as I cannot fool God nor would I want to.

  415. poohpity says:

    It seems that God only desires us to to do what He has done for us. We forgive because he has forgiven us, we show mercy and grace because that is what He did for us. We love because He first loved us. He knows that when we hold on to things that destroy us inside(unforgiveness, bitterness, anger, hate) it can hurt our relationship with Him and destroy our relationship with others as well. God wants what is in our best interest, that is the very definition of love, doing what is in the best interest of another.

  416. street says:

    poo i must violently disagree with you on your last 3 post. they are like a broken cisterns that can not hold water. your appeal is to your own intellect and not to Christ. you are making your own torch and walking by your own light.

    you are in a very bad place and like paul, wishing you to come to the Truth. only by the blood of Christ.

    thinking of the twelve, before Jesus last earthly Passover. rarely getting it right. even after the Resurrection getting it wrong sometimes. you just gotta love God over all this. the faithful persevere.

    12 I don’t mean to say that I have already achieved these things or that I have already reached perfection. But I press on to possess that perfection for which Christ Jesus first possessed me. 13 No, dear brothers and sisters, I have not achieved it,[a] but I focus on this one thing: Forgetting the past and looking forward to what lies ahead, 14 I press on to reach the end of the race and receive the heavenly prize for which God, through Christ Jesus, is calling us.

    God wants what is in our best interest,

    the Glory of God is what interest God.
    His Holiness demands it.
    which led to a cross and Great Glory.
    in the fullness of time.

  417. street says:

    6 For among them are those who creep into into households and captivate idle women weighed down with sins, led on by various impulses, 7 always learning and never able to come to the recognition of the truth. 8 Just as Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so these men also oppose the truth, men of depraved mind, rejected in regard to the faith.

  418. poohpity says:

    street, aren’t the bible verses you shared agree with what I was sharing from the bible although I did not give verses. So what you are saying is you violently disagree with God’s word? How does violently doing anything show a heart that trusts in God?

    I would ask you to be specific at what you disagree with but often I do not have a clue or am very confused about what you are even saying but since there is violence involved that would be useless since the heart is already tainted to bias and is not seeking truth.

  419. Beloved says:

    Thinking ‘vehemently’ rather than ‘violently’ street? I strongly dislike autocorrect, personally. If I’m wrong let me know.

    My curiosity had me look up the verse about the Kingdom being taken by violence. It’s not about harshness/destructiveness it’s about rushing to Jesus to receive mercy! Oh that’s so good! Matthew 11:12

  420. Beloved says:

    I’m thinking how good it is to run to Jesus, while we have time. We are not promised tomorrow.

  421. foreverblessed says:

    Yes, Joyce that word: violence is meant in a positive way.
    Matt 11:12
    If you read the commentaries on Biblehub, it is very interesting.
    Violent people, is to be read in a positive manner.

    I was very much encouraged by the God at eventide, Oct 20,
    Explaining this verse.

    I give it here again:
    “My Kingdom must be won by force, that is, by effort. How can you reconcile this with My free gift of Salvation?

    My gift is free truly, and is not the reward of any merit on the part of Man. But just as God and mammon cannot both be given the overlordship in any one life, so My Kingdom, where I rule as King, cannot be inhabited by one in whom self reigns.

    Therefore the violence is that of discipline and self-conquest, together with the intensity of longing for My Kingdom and tireless effort to know and do My Will.”

  422. poohpity says:

    You people totally tickle me. I take teaching from scripture and repeat it yet you call me possessed by demons and all the other things you accuse me of but when someone teaches things that are adamantly opposed to what God teaches through scripture, you often make excuses for them just because I say something. The problem being not that I am wrong or do not need to be corrected, because I can be, but you do not know God’s character or word well enough to actually know His truths.

    For instance, you have to look up in a commentary on Matt 11:12 and do not know that between John the Baptist and Jesus going to the Cross was all filled with violence. John the Baptist was violently beheaded for teaching things from God and people surrounded Jesus during His mission time wanting nothing more than to kill Him because He opposed those proud religious people who were supposed to represent God to the people but rather represented themselves to places of honor. Violence is not a good thing no matter how one tries to spin it to look, sound or seem right, my dear Christian brothers/sisters.

    Jesus from the time of His baptism by John was persecuted, insulted, hated, threatened with stoning, people were sent to kill him violently etc., just because He brought the Kingdom of God to earth in His ministry. That is the problem with not knowing things you jump on the wrong people because you yourselves are not grounded in God’s truths well enough to see all the false teaching that goes on here but instead stand behind the false teaching because of the person teaching it not the teaching all and in of itself. It is not supposed to be an attack on the teacher but the so called teaching itself because one can disagree with someone and it does not have to become violent but as we see in the world today by people who live by the flesh violence is the way they prove their points or opinions not by facts but by acts of violence.

  423. poohpity says:

    You want nothing more than to destroy the character and integrity of the messenger rather than destroying the message(false teaching) with truths. I dare any of you to oppose anything I teach with another truth rather than attacking me personally but you can only do that if you know the truth and it has set you free from violence, anger, hostility, bitterness and hate and are able to recognize the truth that is spoken and that takes what Jesus left us with, His Holy Spirit who is our guide into all truths, not because I say anything, but because He has said it and we are supposed to carry His message not our own.

  424. poohpity says:

    If anyone would speak the truth in love and kindness rather than in violent, demeaning, slanderous behavior against a person maybe I would listen to you more but you do not do that at all, so I take nothing you say with any merit unless it is something you have actually copied from someone who knows the truth and in those very few occasions I give an Amen to what was spoken. It does not mean that I think I am any better or worse than any of you but I have taken the time over many years to get to know the truth which I desire with all my heart to get to know Him because He is worth the time spent in my opinion. Not from second or third parties interpretations but from the Master Teacher Himself.

  425. poohpity says:

    That desire to get to know God through His word was not from something I decided on my own to do, it was a seed planted in my heart in 1989 when I watched my mom come from her room after reading her bible and praying the light that glowed from her compared to what she used to be like that promoted that desire along with the Lord who planted that seed within my heart. I listened and surrendered to Him and have not regretted it a day since. To fill my mind every single day with Him instead of the crap the world wants me to believe has allowed me the privileged of a growing relationship with Him and if you knew Him you could see that in most of the things I write but since you don’t, you agree with those who heart’s are bent on false teaching and praising that instead.

  426. poohpity says:

    Are you aware of the fact that one can believe in Jesus and be baptized in His name but still not have received the gift of the Holy Spirit?

  427. bubbles says:

    This early morning was cold and brittle. Heavy frost decorated every blade and twig; the sun peeked over the horizon warming the air. I’m thankful to be alive this morning. God’s mercies are new every day. Thanking the Father I am His.

  428. poohpity says:


  429. jeff1 says:

    This beautiful and inspiring hymn from our Sunday Service today.

    1 O Jesus, I have promised
    to serve Thee to the end;
    be Thou forever near me,
    my Master and my Friend;
    I shall not fear the battle
    if Thou art by my side,
    nor wander from the pathway
    if Thou wilt be my guide.

    2 O let me feel Thee near me,
    the world is ever near;
    I see the sights that dazzle,
    the tempting sounds I hear;
    my foes are ever near me,
    around me and within;
    but, Jesus, draw Thou nearer,
    and shield my soul from sin.

    3 O let me hear Thee speaking
    in accents clear and still,
    above the storms of passion,
    the murmurs of self-will;
    O speak to reassure me,
    to hasten or control;
    O speak, and make me listen,
    Thou Guardian of my soul.

    4 O Jesus, Thou hast promised
    to all who follow Thee,
    that where Thou art in glory,
    there shall Thy servant be;
    and, Jesus, I have promised
    to serve Thee to the end;
    O give me grace to follow,
    my Master and my Friend.

  430. Beloved says:

    Viv that hymn reminded me of this one:
    I am Thine, O Lord, I have heard Thy voice,
    And it told Thy love to me;
    But I long to rise in the arms of faith,
    And be closer drawn to Thee.
    Draw me nearer, nearer, blessed Lord,
    To the cross where Thou hast died;
    Draw me nearer, nearer, nearer, blessed Lord,
    To Thy precious, bleeding side.

    My Utmost today John 8:36 is on Christian freedom.

  431. Beloved says:

    Forever I’m thinking the self is crucified with Christ at conversion. We will be battling self (old nature) until we die. I thought of the thief on the cross also. Today, you will be with me in paradise, Jesus said. Today! The world flesh and the devil are our daily adversaries though. But we have sweet victory in Jesus!!!

  432. Beloved says:

    ..and a third to help us understand how the one who led us into all malice and mayhem has been defeated. (John 16:5-11)

    Oh boy I need this reminder daily, also.

  433. Beloved says:

    You people tickle me

    Your arrogance makes me shake my head. Nothing funny about it.

  434. Beloved says:

    Thinking about false teachers that street referenced. Putting 2 and 2 together so to speak the end is their destruction. No worries. Silencing our common enemy, Satan, is easily done with the battle armour given. It gets messy but the end is peace. As Christ is our peace each time we look at Him.

  435. poohpity says:

    Wow such wisdom trying to twist violence into something good which just shows ignorance in the definition of the word. Notice that street did not address exactly what I said as being false teaching but then gave a scripture that shows exactly what I said as true, if that is not something to chuckle about then I do not know what would be.

  436. poohpity says:

    If Christ is your peace when you look at Him, how come you spend so much time looking at others, Beloved? Must not be experiencing much peace then, right?

  437. Beloved says:

    The voice of the god of this world speaks.

  438. phpatato says:


    Please, Mart, change the subject. Like a bad Thanksgiving turkey, this one is burnt so badly it is beyond recognition. It is long past being appetizing and edible.

  439. jeff1 says:

    Peace in the Valley

    Oh, there will be peace in the valley, one day
    There will be peace in the valley for me, I’ll pray
    Oh, no sadness, no sorrow
    No more trouble, there will be
    There will be peace in the valley for me

    Whoa, you know the bear will be gentle
    You know the wolf’s gonna be so tame
    Mighty lion, you will lie down with the lamb
    Oh yes
    I know the horse from the wild
    Will be led by a little child
    And I’ll be changed from this creature that I am

    Well, o well, o well, o well, o there will be peace, child
    In the valley, for me
    One day, o there will be peace, child
    In the valley, for me
    I pray
    Oh, no more sadness, no sorrow
    No more trouble, there will never be
    There will be peace, in the valley
    For me

    O, there will be peace, child
    In the valley, for me
    One day, whoa, there will be peace, child
    In the valley, for me, one day
    Whoa, no sadness, no sorrow
    No more trouble, there will never be
    Yes, there will be peace, yea in the valley
    Yea for me

  440. Beloved says:

    Correction: Christ is my peace because of what He did for me on the cross, not just by my attending to Him. That would not be grace but works.

    I love Him even though I can’t see Him. By faith, not by works. It’s a peace beyond my abilities.

  441. Beloved says:

    Pat I was thinking that maybe Mart is going to let it just burn itself out? Or, he’s on vacation or ?. Whatever, we know from years and years the blog isn’t going to change no matter what the topic.

    Quite the family here, isn’t it? Like some people’s Thanksgivings when siblings get together once a year and become little children again and all the past troubles come out over turkey. We’re not Home yet, are we.

  442. Beloved says:

    Reminding myself of the sovereign nature of God always puts things in perspective and I FEEL peaceful in my bones joints muscles and stomach. But that is different from the peace of knowing I am Gods beloved. Bye Satan.

  443. poohpity says:

    People probably act the same no matter who they are around if they are ever around anyone. Of course the face to face may be different than hiding behind a scene name on the computer but then again maybe not, maybe people just refuse to come around any more as to miss the commotion that is caused then blame others for it rather than taking any personal responsibility.

    Pat, since when did you ever discuss any topic that Mart puts up? But boy if there is any little tension you are right there is add your two cents.

    We were discussing how the Holy Spirit effects one’s life or has it? Has He changed anything about us or are we still the same as we before we ever met Jesus? Do we listen more to the ways of the world or to the ways of God when we interact with anyone? Are we violent, angry, hostile, bitter or kind, gracious, full of mercy? Can people see that we are Christians by our love for one another? One can only answer those questions for one’s self and are honest.

  444. poohpity says:

    Maybe Mart is waiting for us to come together as a family with love for each other, overlooking faults and failures rather than pointing them out, being slanderous, picking arguments, finding points of contention rather than the things that actually unite us together in the name of Jesus????

  445. poohpity says:

    Maybe Mart is praying in faith for the Holy Spirit to enter each of our hearts so that we can interact better with each other?!?

  446. poohpity says:

    I know in church this morning we studied James 4 and I was meant to hear it for myself.

    James 4: What causes quarrels and what causes fights among you? Is it not this, that your passions are at war within you? 2 You desire and do not have, so you murder. You covet and cannot obtain, so you fight and quarrel. You do not have, because you do not ask. 3 You ask and do not receive, because you ask wrongly, to spend it on your passions. 4 You adulterous people! Do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Therefore whoever wishes to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God. 5 Or do you suppose it is to no purpose that the Scripture says, “He yearns jealously over the spirit that he has made to dwell in us”? 6 But he gives more grace. Therefore it says, “God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble.” 7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. 8 Draw near to God, and he will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you double-minded. 9 Be wretched and mourn and weep. Let your laughter be turned to mourning and your joy to gloom. 10 Humble yourselves before the Lord, and he will exalt you.

    11 Do not speak evil against one another, brothers. The one who speaks against a brother or judges his brother, speaks evil against the law and judges the law. But if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law but a judge. 12 There is only one lawgiver and judge, he who is able to save and to destroy. But who are you to judge your neighbor?

  447. poohpity says:

    Last week we studied about the damage the tongue can cause, our words can destroy if I do not use self control to stop and think about the things I say before I say them.

  448. street says:

    Blowin’ in the Wind
    Jerusalem Ben Yehuda Street
    revive a language?
    revive a world?

    25 See to it that you do not refuse Him who is speaking. For if those did not escape when they refused him who warned them on earth, [i]much less will we escape who turn away from Him who warns from heaven. 26 And His voice shook the earth then, but now He has promised, saying, “Yet once more I will shake not only the earth, but also the heaven.” 27 This expression, “Yet once more,” denotes the removing of those things which can be shaken, as of created things, so that those things which cannot be shaken may remain. 28 Therefore, since we receive a kingdom which cannot be shaken, let us [j]show gratitude, by which we may offer to God an acceptable service with reverence and awe; 29 for our God is a consuming fire.

  449. poohpity says:

    street, what does a mall street in the heart of the business district of Jerusalem have to do with reviving a language or a world?

  450. street says:

    thinking about what i heard at a funeral the other day. a student remark about what he learn from his music teacher that stuck with him for decades. as he played the instrument of choice, he was instructed not to play the notes, law, but play the music. music has a spirit to it and it must be played by faith.

    make a joyful noise to the Lord!
    there will be more grace tomorrow!

    the music of worship is in Spirit and Truth.

  451. street says:

    Let heaven and earth praise Him,
    The seas and everything that moves in them.
    For God will save Zion and build the cities of Judah,
    That they may dwell there and possess it.
    The descendants of His servants will inherit it,
    And those who love His name will dwell in it.

  452. street says:

    85 O Lord, You showed favor to Your land;
    You restored the captivity of Jacob.
    You forgave the iniquity of Your people;
    You covered all their sin. Selah.
    You withdrew all Your fury;
    You turned away from Your burning anger.

    Restore us, O God of our salvation,
    And cause Your indignation toward us to cease.
    Will You be angry with us forever?
    Will You prolong Your anger to all generations?
    Will You not Yourself revive us again,
    That Your people may rejoice in You?
    Show us Your lovingkindness, O Lord,
    And grant us Your salvation.

    I will hear what God the Lord will say;
    For He will speak peace to His people, to His godly ones;
    But let them not turn back to folly.
    Surely His salvation is near to those who fear Him,
    That glory may dwell in our land.
    Lovingkindness and truth have met together;
    Righteousness and peace have kissed each other.
    Truth springs from the earth,
    And righteousness looks down from heaven.
    Indeed, the Lord will give what is good,
    And our land will yield its produce.
    Righteousness will go before Him
    And will make His footsteps into a way.

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