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Does Love Make us Gullible?

From time to time I’ve wondered what the Apostle Paul was thinking when he wrote that love “always believes”— or as some translations put it “always trusts” (1Cor 13:7). Could he possibly be urging the kind of love that believes whatever anyone tells or promises us?

Over the years I’ve tried to take his words at face value– as far as I could.  It’s made sense to me that, as a general rule, treating others the way we want to be treated means giving one another the benefit of the doubt whenever possible.

But then I read that because of the miracles Jesus was doing at Passover, many began to trust in him. But he didn’t trust them… (John 2:23-25).

And, unless I’m missing something, did Paul actually say that love always trusts or believes— other people? Or did he leave us room for a Jesus-like kindness, patience and…. that…trusts and hopes— in God?


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  1. jeff1 says:

    I don’t think trust and love are the same and it was trust that made me gullible and not love.

    Love makes me sacrifice and so it is much deeper than trust, and, yes, Paul is right, to my way of thinking because its what this world is lacking.

    I cannot protray Jesus’s sacrificial love without being willing to trust others unconditionally otherwise they will see me for what I am and not as Jesus is.

    Faith, Hope and Love and the greatest is Love because it portrays the Risen Christ.

    Brothers In Arms

    These mist covered mountains
    Are a home now for me
    But my home is the lowlands

    And always will be
    Some day you’ll return to
    Your valleys and your farms

    And you’ll no longer burn
    To be brothers in arms
    Through these fields of destruction
    Baptisms of fire

    I’ve witnessed your suffering
    As the battles raged higher
    And though they hurt me so bad
    In the fear and alarm

    You did not desert me
    My brothers in arms
    There’s so many different worlds

    So many different suns
    And we have just one world
    But we live in different ones
    Now the sun’s gone to hell

    And the moon’s riding high
    Let me bid you farewell
    Every man has to die
    But it’s written in the starlight
    And every line in your palm
    We’re fools to make war
    On our brothers in arms

    These mist covered mountains
    Are a home now for me
    But my home is the lowlands

    And always will be
    Some day you’ll return to
    Your valleys and your farms

    And you’ll no longer burn
    To be brothers in arms
    Through these fields of destruction
    Baptisms of fire

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    I’ve witnessed your suffering
    As the battles raged higher
    And though they hurt me so bad
    In the fear and alarm

    You did not desert me
    My brothers in arms
    There’s so many different worlds

    So many different suns
    And we have just one world
    But we live in different ones
    Now the sun’s gone to hell

    And the moon’s riding high
    Let me bid you farewell
    Every man has to die
    But it’s written in the starlight
    And every line in your palm
    We’re fools to make war
    On our brothers in arm

  2. poohpity says:

    Does love make us gullible? No, but trusting someone does when they have done nothing to earn that trust. If one believes that love is that fuzzy warm feeling that one gets towards another then it is hard to love anyone that does not emote those feelings but love as described in the bible is seeking the highest good for the one loved, it is an action not a feeling.

    With that definition in mind then I can love those I do not trust. I can show kindness, compassion and do good even to my so called enemies just as the Lord did for us when we were His enemies, He did what was in our best interest even knowing our hearts and our bent towards evil as John shared in John 2:24-25 NLT.

    Many believed or trusted Jesus to be who He said He was John 2:23 NLT but it seems it still took time to turn their lives and will over to Him especially when they perceived Him to be something and do things other than what He actually come for. They thought He was the kind of King or Messiah that would free them from the captivity of Rome but He came to free them from themselves and their bent towards evil to be more focused on doing good(loving others). Treating others the way one wants to be treated not the way they treat us. To go high even when others take us to a low.

  3. poohpity says:

    So Jesus was not gullible even though He loved us. But we are gullible when trust those who do not deserve that privilege. God earned our trust by all that He did and does to restore us unto Himself. That safe hiding place when everything and everyone around us only cares about me first.

  4. bubbles says:

    Being told, “I don’t believe you,” hurts when you are telling the truth. We are to be gentle as doves and wise as serpents. Unfortunately, there are those who will take advantage of others when they sense they are gullible and especially young.

    I suppose the only way to learn not to be gullible in the negative sense is to have life experience and to be hurt occasionally and learn how some will sense and see that weakness. We can SHOW people like this love and not be taken advantage of.

  5. SFDBWV says:

    Friday morning when I went to start my truck I found it wouldn’t turn over. After putting my charger on it still it wouldn’t turn over. So after doing all the right things and nothing working, I got a new battery and put it in.

    Still it wouldn’t turn over.

    Frustrated and stressed I still had all of those the things that Matt needed done, so after getting him settled in later that afternoon and after much thought and prayer I went back up and just like that the truck started.

    Hallelujah….I plowed off my road.

    This morning after 5 inches of fresh snow I went up the truck started fine, but the plow didn’t…

    I was able to plow anyway I just couldn’t lift or angle the plow as I scraped off the road.

    So patiently I came in around 4am got Matt up at 4:20, got his breakfast and settled in and after much prayer I just settled in to resting as there isn’t much I can do pre-dawn on Sunday morning to get things fixed.

    The fellow that plows the rest of town came to the house to tell me he is hung up in a ditch and needs pulled out…

    I sent him to someone else as I can’t do anything at this time nor with the plow unable to lift in order to get him out of the ditch.

    I have shared all of this with you all so that perhaps you can see the difference between having trust and either getting the results of or not of trusting in things or people.

    Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

    Trusting something or someone is having faith in them that is as far as it can go from your effort. The results of that trust or faith are not up to you.

    1 Corinthians 13 1-13 KJV defines love from your heart, with no guarantees that such love is returned from those you give love to.

    If you believe that others will always return the same love or worthy of the trust you give them then yes you may be seen as gullible, but if your love remains under the definition as explained it won’t matter if they don’t reciprocate or if they let you down, you will always hope for the best.

    Longsuffering means that you wait for as long as it takes.

    How many prayers go unanswered before you give up and no longer believe they will be?

    Do you trust God or not?

    When it comes to people, be as wise as serpents and harmless as doves.

    When it comes to God hope and trust are never wasted.

    Steve

  6. SFDBWV says:

    Good morning Bubbles, looked like we were thinking along the same lines in our mutual quote of Scripture (Serpents and doves). I wrote my comments in between Matt’s morning battle and so posted after you had.

    He has now had his second mug of cocoa as his first attempt failed and he will try again at 10:10.

    Our battles here, as you Bubbles know, never end, but still we persevere and remain hopeful.

    Prayers here for all of your battles as well as our own.

    Steve

  7. Beloved says:

    Wonderful thoughts to start the week, Mart. What comes to mind is the scripture that says to be kindly affectionate toward all. How can one do that unless they have the love of God within and are trusting Him for the outcome, no matter how swift the battle? Hard heads seem to prevail sometimes but God is generous in love, mercy, kindness and patience. I want more of Him.

  8. SFDBWV says:

    Especially for you Bubbles, Matt’s second attempt failed as well, so it is a day of disappointment and anguish once again for him.

    I trust that tomorrow will be a better day.

    Steve

  9. street says:

    Does Love Make us Gullible?
    self-centeredness makes one gullible
    deception has the same effect, if it were not for the patients and faithful love of God we would have become like sodom and gomorrah.

    Jesus, the true light of the world, walk in the light while you have it. night will come when no one can work.

    thinking about a time when it is so bad that not even job daniel or noah could save even one member of their families, only them selves. it is definitely a time of rejoicing and fruitful labor in Christ.

  10. street says:

    trusts and hopes— in God?

    faith and waiting- in God/Jesus.

    today the sermon was in Acts about God promising that the 12 would be His witness, even though one was missing. in the promise they were told to wait! till power had come. they waited 10 days if you follow the story. they were never told how long to wait. we are also told in the waiting they were praying. individually and as a group. i thinking wait and hoping are the same word to me. thinking we even wait for things we don’t want to happen. waiting for things we do want to happen is disquieting. thinking further down the road. if we wait for the promises of God, a sure thing, waiting should bring peace. thinking about waiting next to the red sea in Exados! thinking about the verse about abraham being satisfied with life/God and died! we are called to be complete in Christ. to live is Christ. thinking farmer soldier athlete. loving in Spirit Truth in Faith fulfills the law of Christ. your faith and love are only as good as the object you put them in. is your object, eternal? what ever you did to the least of them you did it to Me, Jesus. forgive us Lord we are unworthy servants who only did our duty.

  11. street says:

    From time to time I’ve wondered what the Apostle Paul was thinking when he wrote that love “always believes”— or as some translations put it “always trusts”

    mart do you think faith hope and love are like a ring and not linear or both. thinking both. a shalom

    thinking faith and hope will be done away with.

    “Look! God’s dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them.

    My reward is with me, and I will give to each person according to what they have done.

  12. Beloved says:

    On a continuum maybe, adjusting to the need? Patience.

  13. street says:

    gullible adjective

    1.easily deceived or cheated.

  14. Beloved says:

    self-centeredness makes one gullible

    Wow! My dad used to tell me all the time how gullible I was. Are gullible children self centered so deserving of being belittled and ridiculed? Or victims of deceit and treachery?

  15. Beloved says:

    Does wanting love make one gullible?

  16. bubbles says:

    When we choose to love, we choose to be vulnerable to hurt, whatever type of love it is.

  17. Beloved says:

    Sorry, that was not fair. I get triggered so easily. But I think the enemy can easily deceive with promises of power, wealth, health. We’ve all at one time or another been gullible to selfish desires. Why we needed a Savior to deliver us from evil; within and without.

  18. street says:

    only God is love
    we are so different from Him because of sin
    Christ in us the Hope of Love and Glory.

  19. jeff1 says:

    1
    The love of God is greater far
    Than tongue or pen can ever tell.
    It goes beyond the highest star
    And reaches to the lowest hell.
    The guilty pair, bowed down with care,
    God gave His Son to win;
    His erring child He reconciled
    And pardoned from his sin.
    O love of God, how rich and pure!
    How measureless and strong!
    It shall forevermore endure—
    The saints’ and angels’ song.
    2
    When hoary time shall pass away,
    And earthly thrones and kingdoms fall;
    When men who here refuse to pray,
    On rocks and hills and mountains call;
    God’s love, so sure, shall still endure,
    All measureless and strong;
    Redeeming grace to Adam’s race—
    The saints’ and angels’ song.
    3
    Could we with ink the ocean fill,
    And were the skies of parchment made;
    Were every stalk on earth a quill,
    And every man a scribe by trade;
    To write the love of God above
    Would drain the ocean dry;
    Nor could the scroll contain the whole,
    Though stretched from sky to sky.

  20. street says:

    ink, en fill, quill en parch
    can not compare
    to the face of God.

    seek and you will find, for the whole earth is filled with His Glory!
    ask and you will receive,
    knock and you will understand.

    11 “Worthy are You, our Lord and our God, to receive glory and honor and power; for You created all things, and because of Your will they existed, and were created.”

  21. street says:

    And, unless I’m missing something, did Paul actually say that love always trusts or believes— other people? Or did he leave us room for a Jesus-like kindness, patience and…. that…trusts and hopes— in God?

    to be kind where kindness is not expected patience where none was earned…. freely given in Spirit and Truth by Faith in the One Who will judge the living and the dead. Jesus our example Who did not Judge, but to offer Salvation to any who would come. Trusting in His Fathers promises that were written long ago. enduring the cross to return to the Glory He had before the foundation of creation. a Son, a Father could not be any Happier or more pleased. sitting and waiting for His Father….The Lord says to my Lord: “Sit at My right hand Until I make Your enemies a footstool for Your feet.”

    Psalm 99:5
    Exalt the Lord our God And worship at His footstool; Holy is He.

    4 But God, being rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead [f]in our transgressions, made us alive together [g]with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6 and raised us up with Him, and seated us with Him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, 7 so that in the ages to come He might show the surpassing riches of His grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.

  22. bubbles says:

    Yes, the chapter in Corinthians about love talks of that. What do you do, however, when approached by people who say they are homeless and that the homeless shelter is full and they were turned away? I believed someone once, gave them money, and then I called the shelter when I got home to find the person lied to me. The second time it happened, I knew they were lying because the shelter said they will NEVER turn away someone, and if they say that, they are lying. What does one do when you have that gut feeling they are lying?

  23. Beloved says:

    We have a pastor who drives a city bus, and gives money to homeless that all know to be alcoholics. They can’t figure him out either. Paul said not to judge unbelievers. The love of God changes hearts, even the vilest of hearts. It’s not about money, money is an impotent idol. It’s about love.

  24. Beloved says:

    I have an alcoholic neighbor I give food/meals to, knowing most of his money goes to booze, along with several others who foolishly spend money on “things” before groceries. God provides me with plenty of food to share as a means to get to know, pray for and with “sinners” who need to hear about Jesus.

  25. Beloved says:

    Worth repeating…

    your faith and love are only as good as the object you put them in. is your object, eternal? what ever you did to the least of them you did it to Me, Jesus. forgive us Lord we are unworthy servants who only did our duty.(street)

  26. Beloved says:

    @9:42 (sinners) like me, saved by grace through faith in Jesus.

  27. SFDBWV says:

    It is a very interesting idea that in 1 Corinthians 13:1-13 KJV Paul is speaking to our love of God and not of our love towards others.

    Because when you apply God as the receiver of such unconditional love it fits with our concept of a loving God.

    However when people are the recipient the whole idea becomes a challenge.

    Is it the challenge put in front of us that aids in our growing more Christ-like? Is that why God challenges us in this verse of Scripture?

    People will let you down, anyone who thinks otherwise has never placed trust in someone else.

    The thing is has God ever let you down?

    I think if you are honest you have at some point felt abandoned, ignored or even forgotten of God. In this sense the challenge then becomes our relationship with God and not with each other.

    Then again maybe the verse is meant to be intended for both man and God.

    I for one have on many occasions helped other people or befriended them only to have them use or take advantage of my kindness. What I have learned over time is to never cease in offering aid or help or friendship to others, but not to be surprised when it comes back to bite me.

    Once again it come to this if I am in error, then I will always err on the side of “love” and take it on the chin when others see my kindness as a weakness.

    Where I won’t change (become embittered) perhaps my example with help change another (learn what real love is).

    For I do all things through Jesus of Nazareth the Christ.

    Steve

  28. poohpity says:

    I do believe that the love chapter describes the Lord’s perfect love for us and has nothing to do whatsoever in describing our love because our love is flawed as we are so that is what makes His love for us so utterly amazing as the actions in 1 Cor 13 shows.

    God was not gullible in anyway even though He had such great love for us, For He even knows our thoughts and what we are going to say and do before we do it as well as the motives behind everything. We think we love but the minute we want something in return it is no longer love, love is when one does something good for another and never expects anything in return because God first loved us.

    1 John 4:9-10 NLT; 1 John 4:19

  29. poohpity says:

    If one believes that everything we have was a blessing from God then one is only giving away what one has received from God. But if we believe that what we have is only ours to do with what we want, like Cain, then we will be tight fisted and only give to get the approval of another or as a means to control them to do what we want them to do then our offering or gift will not be accepted nor pleasing in God’s eyes. With the same measure you use it will be measured back to you.

    Proverbs 19:17; Luke 6:38 NLT That would include possessions as well as love.

  30. poohpity says:

    If one is already gullible and believes everything they are told even before love then they will be that way even after they are loved.

    When Jesus was talking about the serpent and doves it was to those He was sending out to share about the Kingdom and was warning them even though they were going to be treated harshly do not return that treatment to others. It seems to better understood when left in context.

    Matt 10: “Look, I am sending you out as sheep among wolves. So be as shrewd as snakes and harmless as doves. 17 But beware! For you will be handed over to the courts and will be flogged with whips in the synagogues. 18 You will stand trial before governors and kings because you are my followers. But this will be your opportunity to tell the rulers and other unbelievers about me. 19 When you are arrested, don’t worry about how to respond or what to say. God will give you the right words at the right time. 20 For it is not you who will be speaking—it will be the Spirit of your Father speaking through you.

  31. cbrown says:

    Pooh, did you read the “Our Daily Bread” this morning? “Hopes sure foundation”. Online there is a image of a man crossing a deep void on a narrow footbridge.I know that as we walk this walk in faith that “Phil 4:19 My God will meet all your(our) needs according to the riches of His glory in Christ Jesus” We are to walk in His love Romans 5:5b “because God’s love has been poured out into our nearts through the Holy Spirit who has been given to us”. Love, Chris
    .

  32. jeff1 says:

    “Could he possibly be urging the kind of love that believes whatever anyone tells or promises us”?

    I don’t have to believe the person but I have to believe that God in His time will turn it around.

    To leave it in God’s hands shows love and trust for God which is faith in action.

    Love is a higher calling than faith or hope and so it is my love for God that knows long-suffering and waiting for His truths.

    It is a modern day concept to take kindness for weakness and so I will also have to except that many will see me as a fool rather than as portraying Christlike attitude.

    As you say, Steve, I need to be prepared to take it on the chin when others mock or abuse my kindness.

    That shouldn’t stop me showing kindness to others but rather believe that it is pleasing God that I continue to do so.

    My struggle is not to get embittered (as I did when I was hating my enemies) so I understand the struggle within as well as the struggle without.

    When I struggle I take refuge in Christ as He is my rest, strength and encouragement in times of need.

  33. Beloved says:

    Love the Spurgeon devotional this morning, our God is MIGHT TO SAVE!

  34. Beloved says:

    MIGHTY!

  35. poohpity says:

    Yes I did Chris. My morning devotions include ODB, BTA, DTW, this year the Chronological reading of scripture, meditation on what I read or heard and prayer with my coffee. :-) Now to start my engine, lol after being fueled up and ready to go. The problem is will my engine start because some mornings it does not and I crawl back to bed.

  36. poohpity says:

    If I ever think that I fully understand the love of God that will be easily quashed when I read the questions that God put before Job in Chapters 38 and 39. The ego of any person swiftly goes out the window when one reads that.

  37. street says:

    Not knowing God makes us gullible. Need to know ourselves too. The beginning of faith.

  38. SFDBWV says:

    Upon a more careful study of the love chapter I cannot agree that what is described there is God’s love for mankind.

    I think God’s love for mankind is described at the cross.

    Paul starts off by saying if he had all the “gifts” of the Holy Spirit and did not have love he is nothing more than a bunch of noise. Clearly this doesn’t pertain to God.

    Whereas verses 4-7 describe what real love looks like, there are a couple things there that still don’t sound as though it relates to God’s character.

    Does God “hope”?
    Is God’s will to be challenged?

    No I think it can both describe what our love of God should look like and a description of how we are to love one another.

    Like the Sermon on the Mount we fail in being able to ace the test. We may come close, but we will fall short of being able to excel in all areas of this guideline to exacting perfect love.

    There is a time coming when we shall “Know” perfect love, but according to this chapter that time has not yet come as we see only in part and not the whole.

    Hebrews 11 explains how so many heroes of the Bible died while awaiting their promises from God. Were they gullible or just full of faith?

    Interesting how truth and time are joined together.

    Evening thoughts…

    Steve

  39. jeff1 says:

    1 O love that wilt not let me go,
    I rest my weary soul in thee;
    I give thee back the life I owe,
    that in thine ocean depths its flow
    may richer, fuller be.

    2 O light that followest all my way,
    I yield my flickering torch to thee;
    my heart restores its borrowed ray,
    that in thy sunshine’s blaze its day
    may brighter, fairer be.

    3 O joy that seekest me through pain,
    I cannot close my heart to thee;
    I trace the rainbow through the rain,
    and feel the promise is not vain
    that morn shall tearless be.

    4 O cross that liftest up my head,
    I dare not ask to fly from thee;
    I lay in dust life’s glory dead,
    and from the ground there blossoms red
    life that shall endless be.

  40. poohpity says:

    So if it is not a description of God’s love then how can one call it real love? Gee let me see the many ways just exactly how it was displayed from the Cross. Could Jesus have returned evil for what they were doing to Him? Yes. Was He patient and kind with those who were nailing the spikes into His body? Yes. Was He insisting on His own way? No. He was doing what His father asked. Did He boast about who He is? No. Was He resentful as He hung there or irritable? No. “Father forgive them for they know not what they are doing”. He took the time while in such excruciating pain to make sure His Mother was taken care of. He took the sins of the world upon Himself even before anyone knew what He was doing and still stuck in sin. We were even His enemies but He only did what was good and benefical for us anyway.

    Jesus had hope in His followers that they would spread His message, becoming one in unity of cause and purpose and faith that the Father would not let any of those who belong to Him, go. Paul described the attributes of God and that chapter explains Agape love which can only come from God and then explained we would not understand fully until we see God face to face.

  41. jeff1 says:

    “God Is Good All The Time”

    God is good all the time
    He put a song of praise in this heart of mine
    God is good all the time
    Through the darkest night, His light will shine
    God is good, God is good all the time

    God is good all the time
    He put a song of praise in this heart of mine
    God is good all the time
    Through the darkest night, His light will shine
    God is good, God is good all the time

    If you’re walking through the valley
    And there are shadows all around
    Do not fear, He will guide you

    He will keep you safe and sound
    He has promised to never leave you
    Nor forsake you, and His word is true

    God is good all the time
    He put a song of praise in the heart of mine
    God is good all the time
    Through the darkest night, His light will shine
    God is good, God is good all the time

    We were sinners and so unworthy
    Still for us He chose to die
    Filled us with His Holy Spirit

    Now we can stand and testify
    That His love is everlasting
    And His mercies, they will never end

    God is good all the time
    He put a song of praise in this heart of mine
    God is good all the time
    Through the darkest night, His light will shine
    God is good, God is good all the time

    Though I may not understand
    All the plans you have for me
    My life is in your hands
    And through the eyes of faith
    I can clearly see

    God is good all the time
    He put a song of praise in this heart of mine
    God is good all the time
    Through the darkest night, His light will shine
    God is good, God is good all the time

    God is good all the time
    He put a song of praise in the heart of mine
    God is good all the time
    Through the darkest night, His light will shine
    God is good, God is good all the time

  42. Beloved says:

    John 13:34 NIV
    “A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another.

    To be a follower requires costly love, costing me everything society holds dear. Jesus said if someone takes your coat to give him your other one. If asked to go a mile at work– go 2. Give don’t lend–no expectations. Etc etc. Pray for each other and unbelievers, whether it’s convenient or not.

  43. street says:

    41 You are doing the deeds of your father.” They said to Him, “We were not born of fornication; we have one Father: God.” 42 Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and have come from God, for I have not even come on My own initiative, but He sent Me. 43 Why do you not understand what I am saying? It is because you cannot hear My word.

  44. street says:

    20 In that day you will know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you. 21 He who has My commandments and keeps them is the one who loves Me; and he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and will disclose Myself to him.” 22 Judas (not Iscariot) *said to Him, “Lord, what then has happened that You are going to disclose Yourself to us and not to the world?”

  45. street says:

    costly in giving up self-centeredness.

    i like jim eliot’s quote, ” a man is no fool to give up what he can not keep in order to gain what he can not loose.”

    some how i understand we are not trading but receiving what is freely given. righteousness faithfulness love mercy grace and everything else there is no law against.

    thinking of david inquiring who my abide in your presents?
    Psalm 15

    91 He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High
    Will abide in the shadow of the Almighty.
    2
    I will say to the Lord, “My refuge and my fortress,
    My God, in whom I trust!”
    3
    For it is He who delivers you from the snare of the trapper
    And from the deadly pestilence.

    Galatians 3:6
    Even so Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness.

  46. foreverblessed says:

    This is a great question to ponder upon!
    The Love chaptre!

    I always took it as this:
    God is Love
    And when the chapter starts with:
    Love is
    I see that as:
    God is

    And as Jesus said: Be you perfect:
    He meant to say, everything that God is, you can be, if you ask seek and knock.
    If you throw out your old self,
    SO that there is more and more space for Jesus to live in,
    our love will grow.

    And if that is so, the meaning of
    Love is,
    Will get a deeper and deeper meaning to us, the more Jesus grows in us.

    The many layers of meaning a scripture can have.

  47. foreverblessed says:

    But about trust:
    We are not even to trust ourselves,
    Peter learned that fact on the day Jesus died.
    Peter said:
    “Even if all fall away on account of you, I never will”
    Matthew 26:31-35

    31 Then Jesus told them, “This very night you will all fall away on account of me, for it is written:

    “‘I will strike the shepherd,
    and the sheep of the flock will be scattered.’[a]

    32 But after I have risen, I will go ahead of you into Galilee.”

    33 Peter replied, “Even if all fall away on account of you, I never will.”

    34 “Truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “this very night, before the rooster crows, you will disown me three times.”

    35 But Peter declared, “Even if I have to die with you, I will never disown you.” And all the other disciples said the same.

    Now when I look at it: All the disciples had to learn this thing: Not to trust themselves

    “To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, “If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.””
    Verse of the day, Biblegateway John 8:31-32

  48. poohpity says:

    Mart asked, “And, unless I’m missing something, did Paul actually say that love always trusts or believes— other people?” No. Actually Paul taught the complete opposite as did Jesus, John and Peter to not be gullible but to discern and test what we believe by listening to others.

    Paul taught; 1 Thess 5:21 NLT

    John taught; 1 John 4:1 NLT

    Jesus taught; Matt 7:15

    Peter taught; 2 Peter 2:1

  49. poohpity says:

    My last sentence was not worded properly it should have said, “to discern and test what others say to what God has said so do not be gullible.

  50. foreverblessed says:

    Now, when I have read more of the comments, I have to say, I was repeating what others have said. Like Jeff said already that we should not trust people.
    I was also thinking about the Psalm:
    Do not put your trust in princes
    I did in no way want to overrule what others have written.

    psalms 146:3

    But on the other hand, there should be some kind of trust in our fellow man, like as a child we were trusting our parents, and that was good. What would happen if little children do not trust their parents. Think of it: they even do not want to be lifted up in their arms, no daddy, “I do not trust you can hold me.”
    Or when mom would give them food:
    “No mom, I think you have put poison in my possidge.”

    It becomes a horrible society when trust is gone.

    Like what is happening now, when distrust is growing, suspicion is growing.
    And when distruust is taken ot extremes: paranoia is developing.

    I would humbly ask you to pray for the British today, with the vote that is going to be tonight, european time,that would be about 3 in Grand Rapids.

    So, in my mind there is more going on to this verse.
    As for the Salvation of our souls, no person is to be trusted, only Jesus.
    Jesus our Savior.
    As the Psalm 146:3 says.

    But if we think evil of another person, think of dark intentions with everything they say or do, what kind of persons are we?

    Is that not also one of the meanings of this bible verse:
    1 Cor 13:7
    “It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.”

  51. foreverblessed says:

    What Steve was saying:
    Help others, even if they do take advantage of you.
    Beloved said it too:
    WHen they ask you to walk a mile, walk 2.

    That does mean to intend, that you will be used by others.

    Trust first in GOd, is the thing!
    Trust that God will help you, if you have that kind of strong trust, you do not care that others will use you.

    As Steve said: You think, maybe they will be touched in thheir hearts when they see my example of unconditional love.

    This is also what the teaching of Jesus is all about:
    Be willing to suffer for the sake of Jesus.
    Do everything as doind it for Jesus.

    And that is such a deep meaning.
    Distrusting other people gives no good fruit.
    Trusting Jesus above all is the answer, then we do not have to distrust others.

    When we do no trust in others, we grow distrust, and negative thoughts.
    WHen Jesus did not trust others, He had a different mindset: He did not have a negative feeling about us…

    Growing to be more like Jesus, that is the “Perfection” we have our eyes set upon.
    “Perfection” as in meaning to say, that we do know we ourselves do not have that, but that it is a gift from above, the fruit of the Holy Spirit, freely given to those who follow Jesus, and do what He commanded:
    Walk the other mile as well,
    give him your coat,
    Give without wanting something back, because of the deep trust that God will provide everything that we need.

  52. jeff1 says:

    I believe that’s why my dad’s example has been so important to my faith. He didn’t listen to the false teachers of his day because he recognised them as such because he knew God.

    I, on the other hand, was gullible in thinking they knew God better because they talked the talk.

    Hindsight has taught me otherwise as I now see my dad knew God better.

    I would say that whether you trust your own judgements depends on whether you see yourself as being gullible or not and that leaves me trusting God more than on my own understanding because I believe I am more ignorant of God as I have wandered from his truths.

    It doesn’t stop God drawing me to Himself through songs or people or places which says God remains faithful when I don’t.

    I would agree, Forever, we are not to trust ourselves as God knows us better than we know ourselves and why He is the better judge.

  53. Beloved says:

    Give without wanting something back, because of the deep trust that God will provide everything that we need.

    That’s the secret!

  54. Beloved says:

    My God shall supply all my needs, through Christ Jesus!

  55. Beloved says:

    Philippians4

  56. Beloved says:

    Thinking this….does believing God make one gullible? Does trusting Gods love make one gullible? When everything around is in utter chaos do we sometimes question if what we believe is merely gullibility/weakness?
    Or?

  57. street says:

    in God we trust
    seems to me there is a difference of opinion about trusting people. i think i comes down to how you are to live. we are to live by faith, faith/trust in God. no where are we to trust in flesh and blood, save the Lamb of God. poo mentioned an evaluation of what people say. to weigh it sift through it and keep what is good. what scale filter or standard are we to use. Jesus first test/standard was to live by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God. have to admit learning and doing doesn’t come easy with flesh and blood, but the yoke of Christ i hear is easy and light.

  58. jeff1 says:

    If we are not to trust in flesh and blood then I cannot trust in my own understanding either so how can I sift or weigh what others say when I am flesh and blood as they are.

    God doesn’t leave room for us to trust anyone but Him.

    Jesus’s mission on earth was to trust His Father and as His followers then ours is no different except I can take refuge in Christ when the going gets tough as it so often does.

    1 There’s a wideness in God’s mercy,
    like the wideness of the sea.
    There’s a kindness in God’s justice,
    which is more than liberty.
    There is no place where earth’s sorrows
    are more felt than up in heaven.
    There is no place where earth’s failings
    have such kindly judgment given.

    2 For the love of God is broader
    than the measures of the mind.
    And the heart of the Eternal
    is most wonderfully kind.
    If our love were but more faithful,
    we would gladly trust God’s Word,
    and our lives reflect thanksgiving
    for the goodness of our Lord.

  59. jeff1 says:

    Beloved says:
    January 15, 2019 at 2:47 pm

    Thinking this….does believing God make one gullible? Does trusting Gods love make one gullible? When everything around is in utter chaos do we sometimes question if what we believe is merely gullibility/weakness?
    Or?

    I have had thoughts like this, Beloved, but it is listening to the world view that leads me to think like that as that is how the world sees me.

    That is where my faith comes in and what sets me apart from a none believer.

    Trusting God is much more powerful than we can see and why faith is important to God.

    When I am having disturbing thoughts then I listen to my songs or poems and thwarts Satan’s attacks because it brings God close again.

    It was my friend who told me when I was psychotic to say the Lord’s prayer and that would keep me safe from attack.

    I find that it calms my mind and refocuses my thoughts on God and was the best advice I have been given as regards my mental health.

    My friend was studying her Bible since childhood and I have learned a lot from her as she explains God’s word to me when we are on outings together.

    Although we disagree on politics and religion here her love of Jesus is sincere and I can trust her as we have been friends since primary school.

  60. poohpity says:

    I was thinking this morning how many people are gullible when it comes to things like believing and trusting the media or career politicians but yet when it comes to God they question Him regarding His promises, love, safety and goodness.

    I guess it would give us each a glance at that by what is the first thing we listen to or read in the morning.

  61. poohpity says:

    Even though Jesus did not trust the heart of mankind because He fully knew their hearts but that did not stop Him from doing all the good that He did for us, it did not stop Him from pursuing us to have a relationship with Him, it did not stop Him from giving His very life for us. He was not gullible but He was loving.

  62. jeff1 says:

    I cannot change the world or does God expect me to and so I shouldn’t focus on the negativity of it as that only distracts me from His promises.

    I think I question God because of fear that I am displeasing Him more than I doubt Him. I have good reason to being wayward and distracted in my youth has consequences.

    The mind is a playground for Satan in my case anyway so perhaps why I trust the heart more.

  63. SFDBWV says:

    Governor Jesse Ventura while still Governor expressed his views of Christians as being weak, the writers of the Simpsons cartoon express their view of a Christian in Ned Flanders.

    The world views Christians as simple, gullible and easily manipulated people.

    Too often it takes tragedy in a worldly persons own life and the milk of human kindness given and shown from Christian hearts before they can see the power a Christian actually possesses.

    It is one of those things that we as Christians also too often forget, that we have power, wonder working power in the blood of the Lamb.

    We always have the high ground in every situation and only loose it when we cede it over to the world.

    The Books of wisdom we have written in Scripture gives us a reference in dealing with the world, it is also written on our hearts if we pause to listen to that still small voice in our heats.

    It also is tempered with grace, mercy and yes the guidelines of love as described in 1 Corinthians 13; which doesn’t make us weak or gullible, but empowers us to be able to overcome the worst of situations with a joy that makes no sense to the rest of the world.

    Be at peace and rest in the Lord Jesus of Nazareth the Christ.

    Steve

  64. poohpity says:

    What do the books of wisdom teach us about dealing with the world?

    It sounds like it is not only unbelievers that think that believers are weak but so called believers as well. There is nothing weak about putting up with hate, persecution, being whipped, imprisoned for their beliefs, run out of their homes and countries for their beliefs rather than retaliation and returning evil for evil but will still be warriors to fight against oppression and suppression on the behalf of others.

    The strongest people I have ever been around are those who do not need to display their strength but protect the weak and the weakest people need to prove how strong they think they are by picking on those who are weaker or are fewer in number. Psalm 82:3-4 NLT

  65. Beloved says:

    Steve I remember when he was our governor, what shock to many (older) people but the college aged loved him and got him voted in. Yes he said Christians were just weaklings needing to follow someone, however, his wife was a Christian. Always wondered if he’d soften under his wife’s prayers and witness. He was a true macho man in the worldly sense. But not an unkind person as we have in our president.

    Thinking sometimes people have a hard time trusting Love, having been burned by someone who professed love but didn’t live up to it. Jesus knows what’s in the heart of man, that it’s altogether wicked. We do well to trust that only God is good! Believe that, forgive people, love others as we have been loved by God. All is well.

  66. poohpity says:

    I did not know you knew our President, Joyce to offer such a horrible judgment of him. He sent over four tracker trailers of needed items to those hit by hurricanes and flooding before he ever became President from His own money but I guess that is unkind. He does not take a salary for being President but gives it away to different charities but I guess that is unkind also. He wants to enforce our current laws which is part of his job description but I guess that is also unkind. He wants to protect the citizens he took an oath to protect but I guess that is also unkind. He has undone the regulations that were preventing the growth of our job market but that is I guess also unkind, right?

    Remember we see in others what we are guilty of ourselves. By the way who really cares what a governor or a cartoonist has to say about Christians as if their opinion matters in the least. The only person we should care about what He says about us is the Lord Himself. He says we are loved, forgiven and are of much worth and value to Him not only did He say that but showed that in His actions of love towards us.

  67. Beloved says:

    The heart is deceitful above all things. The minute I hit submit I knew I was wrong.

  68. Beloved says:

    Thinking sometimes people have a hard time trusting Love, having been burned by someone who professed love but didn’t live up to it. Jesus knows what’s in the heart of man, that it’s altogether wicked. We do well to trust that only God is good! Believe that, forgive people, love others as we have been loved by God. All is well.

  69. Beloved says:

    Deb glad to hear your engine started today! Have a good one!

  70. poohpity says:

    lol Joyce. Actually my engine starts but my transmission prevents me from putting it in drive and ends up in reverse instead, lol.

  71. cbrown says:

    Now that is funny! I’ve been having the same problem the last couple of days. Love, Chris

  72. Beloved says:

    So thankful for the Holy dipstick that tells us where the problem lies, wink.

  73. Beloved says:

    Thinking about a faulty “transmission”. Does confession of sin get us unstuck? Can God move us forward unless we are repentant? What was the topic again, oh yes, gullible love.

    Love is so patient with us seems to me. He doesn’t let us stay stuck, He’s that involved in our lives. Oh He’s so good!

  74. jeff1 says:

    God loves us too much to move us forward until we see the error of our ways. I block my own progress whether I realise it or not.

    My dad’s vision in seeing God was much greater than mine though I didn’t see it at the time but I can see now that God reveals to those who trust and obey Him.

    There has to be a willingness on my part to see it God’s way and my character trait is to be more stubborn than my dad ever was which isn’t good for my progress so I need to change in order to allow God to reveal what He wants me to see.

    Get out of God’s way is what I have to do and I don’t find that easy whereas my dad found it incredibly easy to do as he wasn’t a self righteous man.

    I have a tendency to be self righteous in my religion and that is a struggle for me but with God’s help I believe I will conquer it.

    Knowing yourself takes a long time I have found and not liking what you see can be incredibly debilitating as guilt and repentance takes a long time when you try to justify your reasons.

    I did have good reasons which didn’t help me in being repentant but that doesn’t cut any ice with God.

    God’s love is perfect love so He’s not going to let me take any short cuts and I have spent so much time being hated and hating which is so very far from where I need to be.

    Age and the stresses of life have also wearied me and so it is good to be able to rest knowing God’s goodness and patience is greater than my weariness.

  75. poohpity says:

    Well ladies I was not speaking of sin but fatigue. Liver failure has a lot of fatigue associated with it which is what I meant by being in reverse and going back to bed after I get up. Like I pray that is not going to happen today because on Thursdays I have bible study group at 10:30am then we have a pot luck in my apartment complex at 12:30 then I call BINGO at 1:30 all of which I head up. Last week I passed off some of my responsibility to let someone else shop for the prizes from the Dollar Store rather than me trying to do it all and today I was thinking about getting others to call the numbers or cards which ever we are playing.

    As with doing things wrong or sin I count that as still moving forward only hitting a few bumps or pot holes in the road. Some are big bumps and some are small but you are right first admitting they are there is very helpful in getting them repaired. All failures are learning experiences for me, some lessons I learn quickly and some I repeat several times before I learn but confession is always needed then being thankful for God’s forgiveness. God is so patient and kind with me for that I am so grateful and does not beat me up or rub it in my nose when I fail but gently lifts me up again to get back on the road. Gee that sounds like a song. :-)

  76. poohpity says:

    This song is better understood when one sees the video.

    We Fall Down
    Bob Carlisle

    Cursing every step of the way, he bore a heavy load
    To the market ten miles away, the journey took its toll
    And every day he passed a monastery’s high cathedral walls
    And it made his life seem meaningless and small

    And he wondered how it would be to live in such a place
    To be warm, well fed and at peace; to shut the world away

    So when he saw a priest who walked, for once, beyond the iron gate
    He said, “tell me of your life inside the place”
    And the priest replied

    We fall down, we get up
    We fall down, we get up
    We fall down, we get up
    And the saints are just the sinners
    Who fall down and get up

    Disappointment followed him home; he’d hoped for so much more
    But he saw himself in a light he had never seen before

    Cause if the priest who fell could find the Grace of God to be enough
    Then there must be some hope for the rest of us
    There must be some hope left for us

    We fall down, we get up
    We fall down, we get up
    We fall down, we get up
    And the saints are just the sinners
    Who fall down and get up

  77. jeff1 says:

    Love makes us many things as it surprises myself the lengths I will go to in protecting those I love.

    That makes me ask how well do I know myself and the answer is not as well as God does.

    O the deep, deep love of Jesus, vast unmeasured, boundless, free
    Rolling as a mighty ocean, in its fullness over me
    Underneath me, all around me, is the current of Thy love
    Leading onward, leading homeward to Thy glorious rest above

    O the deep, deep love of Jesus, spread His praise from shore to shore
    How He loveth, ever loveth, changeth never, evermore
    How He watches o’er His loved ones, died to call them all His own
    How for them He intercedeth, watcheth o’er them from the throne

    O the deep, deep love of Jesus, ’tis a heav’n of heav’ns to me
    And it lifts me up to glory, for it lifts me up to Thee, yeah
    [Incomprehensible]

    And it lifts me up to glory

  78. Beloved says:

    Viv that’s one of my favorite songs!

  79. jeff1 says:

    I think, Incomprehensible, says it all, because, it is difficult to grasp the deepness of God’s love other than momentarily, as the reality of this world interrupts those moments when God seems so very near, but it is in those precious moments that I get a glimpse of whom God is, and there is a peace that overcomes me and tells me all is well with my soul.

    When peace, like a river, attendeth my way,
    When sorrows like sea billows roll;
    Whatever my lot, Thou hast taught me to say,
    It is well, it is well with my soul.

    Refrain:
    It is well with my soul,
    It is well, it is well with my soul.

    Though Satan should buffet, though trials should come,
    Let this blest assurance control,
    That Christ hath regarded my helpless estate,
    And hath shed His own blood for my soul.

    My sin—oh, the bliss of this glorious thought!—
    My sin, not in part but the whole,
    Is nailed to the cross, and I bear it no more,
    Praise the Lord, praise the Lord, O my soul!

    For me, be it Christ, be it Christ hence to live:
    If Jordan above me shall roll,
    No pang shall be mine, for in death as in life
    Thou wilt whisper Thy peace to my soul.

    But, Lord, ’tis for Thee, for Thy coming we wait,
    The sky, not the grave, is our goal;
    Oh, trump of the angel! Oh, voice of the Lord!
    Blessed hope, blessed rest of my soul!

    And Lord, haste the day when the faith shall be sight,
    The clouds be rolled back as a scroll;
    The trump shall resound, and the Lord shall descend,
    Even so, it is well with my soul.

  80. Beloved says:

    Reading in The Excellency of Christ, by Jonathan Edwards, he talks of Christ as the Lion of Judah bringing judgement on unbelievers, yet as the Lamb to believers he writes:
    And yet he will at the same time appear as a Lamb to his saints; he will receive them as friends and brethren, treating them with infinite mildness and love. There shall be nothing in him terrible to them, but towards them he will clothe himself wholly with sweetness and endearment. The church shall be then admitted to him as his bride; that shall be her wedding-day. The saints shall all be sweetly invited to come with him to inherit the kingdom, and reign in it with him to all eternity.

  81. foreverblessed says:

    Believes all things:
    “But it must mean, that in regard to the conduct of others, there is a disposition to put the best construction on it; to believe that they may be actuated by good motives, and that they intend no injury; and that there is a willingness to suppose, as far as can be, that what is done is done consistently with friendship, good feeling, and virtue. Love produces this, because it rejoices in the happiness and virtue of others, and will not believe the contrary except on irrefragable evidence.”

    Barnes notes on the bible

  82. foreverblessed says:

    BelieThat also means that judging the motives of why somebody does what he does is out of bounds for humans.
    In the Bible it was well known that people could be possessed with evil spirits.
    So when people do very cruel things it can very well be that they are overpowered by an evil spirit of violence. And they do not know what they are doing.
    The man where the legion of spirits were driven out by Jesus, that went into the pigs, he sat there, and it doesn’t seem to be that he got a trial for all the things he had done while under the influence of them.
    He was sent by Jesus to go to his own people and testify about what Jesus had done to him.
    He was set free!

    ” He sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners..”
    Luke 4:18, Isa 61:1-2

    We are to pray, that’s what Mart advised us a few topics ago:
    Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing.

  83. foreverblessed says:

    Belie….
    Should have been deleted just above.
    After posting, your own remark remains, you first have to delete it before another comment can be made.

    I was thinking about the typo, interesting typo, Steve had, a while ago:
    Bless those who bless you
    Cure those who curse you.

    In regard what Jesus said:
    Set the prisoners free.

  84. jeff1 says:

    foreverblessed says:
    January 18, 2019 at 4:46 am

    Yet, we have to have laws, judges, courts to have a civilised world otherwise people would take the law into their own hands and I have seen that done in my country and it is not pretty so give me the judiciary with all its loopholes it is still the best option in a fallen world.

    We cannot make judgement calls on a person’s motives but society has to.

    I cannot play God in this world and so I trust the laws and courts to do right.

    My friend decided to challenge a woman who was in the horrors of drink and afterwards she came to me frightened and admitting that she made a bad situation worse and never again would she take on an evil spirit.

    We can pray, but the spirit world is in God’s hands and not ours because I learned at a very early age not to dabble in it and I have seen to many do it and come out the worse for it.

    When people decide to play God disaster happens or that is how I see it anyway.

  85. poohpity says:

    Wasn’t it God who said, “I will bless those who bless you and (without typo) curse those who curse you” to Abraham finishing with “all the families of the earth will be blessed through you” referring to his descendant Jesus. Isn’t only Jesus who can set captive’s free from the consequences of sin? I know a lot of human beings want that to be about them and their abilities when in reality it is something that only God can do.

    When I was a child I believed everything I was told because at that time my reasoning and thoughts were limited to this very small world around me and I had nothing else to go on and as Joyce mentioned those that that child trusted can do harm whether intentionally or unintentionally only because the knowledge of our parents is also limited by the scars and life they have experienced in their world. But as Paul mentions there comes a time when we stop reasoning and thinking like a child.

    Back then and still today as an adult we can only see things partially again through our small world lenses but finding out that God knows us fully but yet still loved us as He does opens up a way bigger world to us from the experiences of life. We just naturally have more information to go on so we give up the thinking or reasoning of a child but in our relationship with God we go back to the dependence of a child who believes and trusts all things through the lens of the love of God for us. 1 Cor 13:11

    If at a time when we no longer need faith or hope because we see God face to face, love is still alive and active. 1 Cor 13:12,13

  86. poohpity says:

    The most gullible and trusting people are babies and little children and that gives a very great responsibility to parenting but as we know that a lot of people are not able to meet that responsibility because of selfishness. Today is the March for Life put on by those who do know that the care of innocence of those who can not speak for themselves is one of our highest priorities.

  87. poohpity says:

    However along with the “March for Life” there will be another march called the “Women’s March” speaking up for their own rights even though it may take the freedoms and rights away from those who are unable to speak and do for themselves. We are only really free when we protect the rights of everyone and set our rights aside for the good of ALL, everyone. Gal 3:28

  88. jeff1 says:

    It is in knowing that God has overcome the world that I can see a light at the end of the tunnel and that gives me hope for the future as God finds a way when there seems to be no way.

    Known Only to Him

    Known only to him are the great hidden secrets
    I’ll fear not the darkness when my flame shall dim
    I know not what the future holds
    But I know who holds the future
    It’s a secret known only to Him

    In this world of fear and doubt
    On my knees I ask the question
    Why a lonely, heavy cross I must bear
    Then he tells me in my prayer
    It’s because I am trustworthy
    He gives me strength far more than my share

    Known only to him are the great hidden secrets
    I’ll fear not the darkness when my flame shall dim
    I know not what the future holds
    But I know who holds the future
    It’s a secret known only to him

  89. poohpity says:

    Pastor of one of Hillsong campuses Carl Lentz taught, ““In my feelings”… my son recently told me “dad, I don’t feel like going to church. We are there ALL THE TIME.” It was very cute and sincere and I was able to tell him what apparently many of us adults still need to hear: feelings are great. They are important. But they are not the dominant factor in how we live our lives! If our feelings match our convictions? Fantastic. I’ve just found that it’s often that is the exception, not the norm. In fact, most of the incredible things God calls us to do? Do not come with an accompanying “good vibe.” Loving your enemy, does not always feel good. Sacrificial giving, does not always feel good. Forgiving people who hurt you, almost NEVER “feels right.” Going to church, doesn’t always feel good! But these things are still RIGHT. When that day comes, when your feelings rage against your conviction, remember how blessed we are to control our feelings, rather than being controlled by them. It’s worth it every time!”

    The difference in reasoning as a child compared to adult thinking and acting on our beliefs.

  90. cbrown says:

    Good morning all!Iam forever blessed by by your comments. Pooh,, in reguards to your comments about transmissions, I am in a war with my blood pressure which is too high. To much salt sends it straight up so I monitor my use of salt and manage what I eat. Over several days I had gotten it down close to the good range and then the day you talked about your transmission it had gone up again. Your comment cracked me up. As a side note,one of the inmates in my Bible study is going home tomrrow. He was 16 when he was incarcerated and now he is 27.WE discussed with him 1 Peter 5:8, the roaring lion in the world who seeks to devour him and then I and the other inmate,some who have life sentences, prayed for him and sent him on his way. Love, Chris

  91. Beloved says:

    It’s good to laugh at our difficulties! My ball joints (knees) are about ready for replacement but also my chrome is getting full of holes(teeth) so need a whole new set, but, my dilemma, whether t o fix my car the next time something wears out or my body!!! We seem to be in a race for my limited funds, lol! But, it’s in God’s hands so I’m not worried. I can still chew with only 8 front teeth and drive without ABS and hand brake so we keep chugging along! Happily, of course, as long as Jesus is driving!

    On a more serious note, yesterday I had a bad day, grieving over my closest friends dying, my children who only speak to me on holidays, and loneliness at my church – ( seems like if your not able to actively help out no one notices you). So, I took my pain to Jesus who understands and he wept with me, then came a knock at my door, suddenly, and an invitation to a dinner with a few others in my building! Don’t ever think God has abandoned you, ever. He’s as close as your breath! Oh He’s so good!

  92. Beloved says:

    Chris the inmate has a lot of relearning about culture which is stressful. Praying for godly mentors.

  93. poohpity says:

    There is an excellent article written by Simon Wenham published by RZIM titled “A Crutch or a Cross” about the so called weaknesses of Christians that Steve talked about earlier. Good read.

  94. Beloved says:

    Good read indeed!

    “The truth of the matter is that Jesus never offered a crutch, only a cross; it wasn’t a call to be a better person with high self-esteem or a plan to help us scrape through our existence. It was a call to acknowledge that the forgiveness we all seek is to be found in him by following him onto the cross…. It’s because Christianity is true that it has something to offer every person in every circumstance, regardless of their background or intellectual capabilities. ”

    Agree that in our post modern era of secular psychologies/therapies/Freud me me me culture Christ has so much more to offer, a cross.

  95. foreverblessed says:

    “The truth of the matter is that Jesus never offered a crutch, only a cross; it wasn’t a call to be a better person with high self-esteem or a plan to help us scrape through our existence. It was a call to acknowledge that the forgiveness we all seek is to be found in him by following him onto the cross… It’s because Christianity is true that it has something to offer every person in every circumstance, regardless of their background or intellectual capabilities.”(11)

    As McGrath explains:McGrath, Mere Apologetics, 170.

    “If you have a broken leg, you need a crutch. If you’re ill you need medicine. That’s just the way things are. The Christian understanding of human nature is that we are damaged, wounded and disabled by sin. That’s just the way things are.”(4)

    That was indeed a good read, Pooh.

    Beloved, may God help you, and strengthen you.
    We believe in Jesus, that He is our Saviour, that He is with us in our trials, thank you for your testimony, that God did send you an invitation!

    Crown, thank you very much, and I am praying for that inmate.
    I must write it down, so I do not forget.

    Jeff, I believe God only can set prisoners free, God can only heal. God alone because of the Cross.

    But God does not personally walk on earth, He works through us, the ones who are IN Christ.

    We have been given the ministry of reconciliation.
    You might say: God is all powerful, bug He has chosen through Christ to be the head of the Church, a community of believers, HD works through us.
    But as for me, I can only see to it that I am freed, that I am attached to Christ,btgat my own old self is crucified, so that I may be more effective in His saving souls.

    I have been to conferences by Graham Powell, he was an expert in praying for people who had evil spirits. I was walking alongside a youth, who had used drugs, had become a Christian, but started to drink again, he fell back into a state of bondage, fobia. Tremendously intimidating state to be in.
    So I went with him to the conference.

    Graham was so humble, he was singing songs all the time,vsongs like angels singing, praising Jesus.
    There was nothing scarry at all, the glory of Jesus was all around.
    This man knew what the Spirit was telling him, when to set free, or when to refrain.
    This youth got to him, and he talked takes while. The boy did not ask for prayer, and he didn’t pray for him.
    I was so surprised that he didn’t!
    But then remembered that Jesus Himself said something about this, 7 more would come back,band the situation was worse.
    Jesus must grow in a heart, Jesus must fill the emptiness.

    No crutches, a Cross: Jesus living in us, setting us free.

    Graham himself was in bondagd of spirits of fear and anxiet
    He was set free, without anyone praying, but just because through faith in Jesus, through Jesus presence growing in him, by prayer, much fasting, Bible study. He was free!

    We all have our demons we have to overcome. Each his own set. But only the live of Jesus growing in us, can overcome.
    Perfect love drives out fear
    1 John 4:18.
    If there is still fear, more likely be is needed. This youth ux saying, because I have still fear, Jesus must not be true, and he falls back. ( But God is faithful, He is still around the boy, may God set him free soon! Pray with me for him)

    Holding on to Jesus, no matter how long, for Graham it lasted 19 years! But his ministry is so powerful! God’s ministry, not his own.

    That’s why it is said:
    He who overcomes, to him will I give him
    The right to eat from the tree of life
    Some of the hidden manna
    Rev 2:7,17,26

    That inmate that is released, must hold onto Jesus. I pray for angels, and as Beloved said, mentors, Jesus Himself.
    May God bless him much.

    Chris, may God be with you, and heal you, make you strong, more life of Jesus flowing through you.
    And the same prayer for Pooh, and Beloved, and Jeff.
    And Steve, Matt, Glenna,
    Street, Pat, Bubbles, Maru, Kingsdaughter, Gary
    And all other contributors here from the past.
    And Mart, not to forget,his daughter, his family.
    God, bless them, be with them, in Jesus’ name

  96. Beloved says:

    Dying to self, as Jesus did obediently on the cross. We must die also.

  97. Beloved says:

    If we didn’t have troubles, we wouldn’t need Jesus. We all have troubles of different kinds needing different kinds of interventions. God is faithful and so creatively able to handle any situation that we find ourselves in.

    Long ago I saw spirits and feared them greatly until prayer closed the door to that opening. My mother always saw dead people and used a Ouija board to take direction from. But even in my dreams I learned to fight demons by the power given by Jesus. It’s been many many years now since those days of Holy housecleaning; Jesus and I are very very close friends. Yet in His wisdom He has allowed me to struggle with anxiety/depression so I would not become proud of who I have become, but that the power and glory of God would shine through my afflictions. In weakness I know Gods strength! Blessed be the Name of the LORD. Mighty is His name and just and merciful are His ways. This poor sinner is extremely grateful for His perfect plans purpose and will for my life. Life!

    The mental affliction God miraculously delivered me from over a period of years was a dissociative identity disorder, back in the 80’s called multiple personality disorder.

    I am so grateful I don’t have to deal with that anymore. So thankful to be alive! And for the fellowship of the Saints!

  98. jeff1 says:

    The Promise

    I never said that I would give you silver or gold
    Or that you would never feel the fire or shiver in the cold
    But I did say you’d never walk through this world alone
    And I did say, don’t make this world your home

    I never said that fear wouldn’t find you in the night
    Or that loneliness was something you’d never have to fight
    But I did say I’d be right there by your side
    And I did say I’ll always help you fight

    ‘Cause you know I made a promise that I intend to keep
    My grace will be sufficient in every time of need
    My love will be the anchor that you can hold onto
    This is the promise, this is the promise I made to you

    I never said that friends would never turn their backs on you
    Or that the world around you wouldn’t see you as a fool
    But I did say like me, you’ll surely be despised
    And I did say my ways confound the wise

    I didn’t say you’d never taste the bitter kiss of death
    Or have to walk through chilly Jordan to enter into rest
    But I did say I’d be waiting right on the other side (yeah, yeah)
    And I did say I’ll dry every tear you cry

    ‘Cause you know I made a promise that I’ve prepared a place
    And some day sooner than you think you’ll see me face to face
    And you’ll sing with the angels and a countless multitude
    This is the promise, this is the promise I’ve made to you

    So just keep on walkin’, don’t turn to the left or right
    And in the midst of darkness, let this be your light
    That hell can’t separate us and you’re gonna make it through
    This is the promise, this is the promise I made to you, oh
    This is the promise, this is the promise I made to you

  99. Beloved says:

    Psalm34

    Pulpit Commentary
    Verse 19. – Many are the afflictions of the righteous (comp. Job 36:8-10; Acts 14:22; 1 Corinthians 15:19; 2 Timothy 3:12; Hebrews 11:33-38; Hebrews 12:5-10, etc.). The righteous suffer afflictions because they are so imperfectly righteous. They need purging, purifying, chastening, to rid them of the dross and defilement of sin which still clings to them, and from which they are never wholly freed while they continue in the flesh. “We must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God” (Acts 14:22). We must, like the Captain of our salvation, be “made perfect through suffering” (Hebrews 2:10). But the Lord delivereth him out of them all. When they have done their appointed work of purging, purifying, instructing, improving, or whatever else their work may be, God removes the afflictions with which he has visited us or allowed us to be visited, ultimately, when he takes us to himself, mercifully delivering us “out of them all.”

  100. foreverblessed says:

    2 Cor 9:19-22

    19 Though I am free and belong to no one, I have made myself a slave to everyone, to win as many as possible. 20 To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law. 21 To those not having the law I became like one not having the law (though I am not free from God’s law but am under Christ’s law), so as to win those not having the law. 22 To the weak I became weak, to win the weak. I have become all things to all people so that by all possible means I might save some.

    Paul says: I might save some!

  101. foreverblessed says:

    I had written a comment, praying for the inmate that was released, praying for all the sick among us, for Chris, Pooh, Jeff, Beloved, Steve, Matt, Glenna,
    Praying for all who were here, for Mart, his daughter,
    Asking God to bless us all.

    But it is nowhere.
    But God knows! He will take care of that inmate, of all of you,
    Thank God!

    It is only Jesus who can save, only Jesus who can set prisoners free, and yet, Paul says: that I might save some.
    He means to say: I preach to them so they will accept Christ,VSO they are saved.
    But he makes a shortcut, and says: that I might save some, and we all know what he meant to say.

    So when I say: set the prisoners free, I mean to say that Jesus set them free.
    But Christ uses us. Christ IN us.
    All the glory goes to God
    Just to have some humor:
    In the case of the inmate yesterday, some human person opened the prison doors, and set him free.
    I pray earnestly that God will be with him, and he with God.

  102. Beloved says:

    Forever your earlier post is at 12:17. Not lost! Thank you for your prayers, as well as all who are praying here.

  103. Beloved says:

    I see what you mean Forever. A while ago it said 103 posts then suddenly went back to 99 for a while. Just now it returned to 103! Technical difficulties?

  104. foreverblessed says:

    Yes, indeed, there are many comments that did not appear to be yesterday!
    Love to all, God bless you.
    And please pray for me today: family reunion!
    Please Pray for peace!

  105. poohpity says:

    Yes in 1 cor 9 Paul talks about winning/saving people by fitting in with them but if one continues reading in verse 1 Cor 9:23 it tells of how that is by sharing the Gospel which has the real power to save and the very reason why he speaks or shares with anyone. But then gives us a warning about fitting in but not so far that he looks more like them than like Christ. 1 Cor 9:27 He does not want people to follow him but directs them towards Jesus and what He did for them.

  106. poohpity says:

    I can see how a child is gullible when it comes to their parents because they love and depend on them for every part of their care BUT as a parent even though I love my children I am not gullible with them because I actually know them so well, lol.

    Children learn how to manipulate and control their parents from a very early age. They know how to use a puckered lip or a tear to soften a heart and they also know that throwing tantrums the parents will do just about anything to get them to stop even if giving in to them is not the loving thing to do but teaches them how they can control the parents to do what they want. I have pity for the child of a parent who never allows their children to fall or fail or be told no. The child will all their lives be stuck in immaturity and think that throwing tantrums or bringing on tears or puckered lips will get them what they want even if it is not good for them.

    God doesn’t seem to give us everything we want but does give us what we need and as an adult we learn the difference while an adult child never learns that that seems to be why so many have ungrateful hearts.

  107. SFDBWV says:

    Looking at the subject base again there was something about Mart’s comment in the third paragraph that just didn’t sound right. So after reading it over a few times and then referencing Scripture again I found what it was that troubled me.

    Mart suggests that in John 2:23-25 KJV that because of the miracles Jesus did the people trusted Him, but He did not trust them.

    However what I read is that because of the miracles Jesus did the people believed in Him, but He would not commit Himself to them.

    Commit, perhaps to “entrust” Himself means something different to me.

    Because He knows people, it isn’t that He didn’t trust them it is that He knows what to expect from people. Knowing if He entrusted Himself to them at that time He would be misrepresented by them and used of them for their purposes and not for God the Father’s purpose.

    Me as a person born of the flesh may hope for the best from other people, but I also know human behavior and am never surprised when my faith in them is let down. At the same time when my faith in someone is fulfilled it is a unique feeling of victory or triumph over negative expectations.

    It still remains about being wise and gentle in our approach to each other, humble and reverent in our approach to God.

    Steve

  108. Beloved says:

    John6:60 When many of his disciples heard it, they said, “This is a hard saying; who can listen to it?” 61 But Jesus, knowing in himself that his disciples were grumbling about this, said to them, “Do you take offense at this? 62 Then what if you were to see the Son of Man ascending to where he was before? 63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh is no help at all. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life. 64 But there are some of you who do not believe.” (For Jesus knew from the beginning who those were who did not believe, and who it was who would betray him.) 65 And he said, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father.”

    66 After this many of his disciples turned back and no longer walked with him.

    Thinking the people did not know Jesus as the Son of God (ref. John 2:23-25), that even some of his disciples left Him when confronted with the reality of Who Jesus was.

    Listening to a teaching on wheat/tares-sovereignty of God, we are told to love our enemies because we don’t know if they will be saved at their last breath! I come to the conclusion that I know what’s in mankind because I myself am no different, but trusting only in the grace of God/the Atonement opens the way for complete forgiveness and eternity with God.

  109. Beloved says:

    Spirit and Truth.

  110. street says:

    Does Love Make us Gullible?
    impartiality of God?
    forgiven?
    transform?
    sanctified?
    conformed?

    thinking of the activity of love. seems to me love is very active. thinking about rest.

  111. Beloved says:

    Just a thought….i spend way too much time being “wise as a serpent”. Mother Teresa comes to mind, loving people as if they are Christ Himself was her teaching. What joy, what compassion, what Love!! Jesus loved all people, yet those that refused to love Him, the Son of God, were lost forever. When people refuse to love me does that mean I am right and they are lost? No. Just a servant here, sister of Jesus learning to love as God wants while He chips away at this broken clay pot, to eventually reveal the Pearl of great price that is hiding inside.

  112. Beloved says:

    Street @3:48 you are describing the work of God. Rest in God’s love, a good thing, knowing that He has promised to complete the work He started! Philippians

  113. Beloved says:

    By the Hemphills

    He’s still working on me
    To make me what I need to be
    It took him just a week to make the moon and stars
    The sun and the earth and Jupiter and Mars
    How loving and patient He must be
    ‘Cause He’s still workin’ on me
    There really ought to be a sign upon my heart
    Don’t judge him yet, there’s an unfinished part
    But I’ll be better just according to His plan
    Fashioned by the Master’s loving hands
    He’s still working on me
    To make me what I need to be
    It took him just a week to make the moon and stars
    The sun and the earth and Jupiter and Mars
    How loving and patient He must be
    ‘Cause He’s still workin’ on me
    In the mirror of His word
    Reflections that I see
    Makes me wonder why He never gave up on me
    But He loves me as I am and helps me when I pray
    Remember He’s the potter, I’m the clay
    He’s still working on me
    To make me what I need to be
    It took him just a week to make the moon and stars
    The sun and the earth and Jupiter and Mars
    How loving and patient He must be
    ‘Cause He’s still workin’ on me.

  114. jeff1 says:

    Coming Out and Moving In

    There’s a possession marching upwards heading for the lovely home
    Hear we wait for sweet deliverance and we know it won’t be long
    Till we see the light of Judah on Mount Zion He will stand
    There’s a great anticipation
    What a day when we move in

    We’re coming out of this land of sorrow into a land of perfect day
    Leaving behind all of this suffering we have known along the way
    We have washed our robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb
    We’re coming out and moving in

    All the first dwellers who are ready will be laying burdens down shaking the dust of all of these trials and exchanging them for a crown
    In a land where there is no sickness neither death will come again
    We may cry before we come out but what glory moving in

    We’re coming out of this land of sorrow in to a land of perfect day leaving behind all of this suffering we have known along the way
    We have washed our robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb
    We’re coming out and moving in

    We’re coming out of this land of sorrow into to a land of perfect day leaving behind all of this suffering we have known along the way
    We have washed our robes and made them white
    in the blood of the Lamb
    We’re coming out
    We’re coming out
    We’re coming out and moving in

    We’re coming out of this land of sorrow into a land of perfect day leaving behind all of this suffering we have known along the way
    We have washed our robes and made the white in the blood of the Lamb
    We’re coming out
    We’re coming out
    We’re coming out and moving in

  115. poohpity says:

    Yes Joyce I think you hit the nail on the head when people follow Jesus because of what they think He can do for them rather than following Him because of who He is. Jesus knew what was in their hearts and the reason they followed Him.

    You can see that in those who pray for things and if Jesus does not do as they want think He does not exist, not that maybe what they want may not be the best for them in the grander scheme of life so they end up not giving Him the time of day.

    I think Jesus explains that well in the parable of the soils; Luke 8: 11 Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God. 12 The ones along the path are those who have heard; then the devil comes and takes away the word from their hearts, so that they may not believe and be saved. 13 And the ones on the rock are those who, when they hear the word, receive it with joy. But these have no root; they believe for a while, and in time of testing fall away. 14 And as for what fell among the thorns, they are those who hear, but as they go on their way they are choked by the cares and riches and pleasures of life, and their fruit does not mature. 15 As for that in the good soil, they are those who, hearing the word, hold it fast in an honest and good heart, and bear fruit with patience.

  116. poohpity says:

    Now would you entrust or trust yourself to someone who only has their own interests in mind? Peter confessed he knew who Jesus was but when the rubber meets the road denied knowing Him three times. Jesus knew that this was going to happen before it ever happened but not because of Peter but because of who Jesus is, restored Him. Proverbs 21:2; Isaiah 53:6; Romans 3:23 God knows our hearts better than we do ourselves and what we are prone to do and at just the right time Jesus allowed Himself into His Father’s hand which lead to crucifixion. John 10:18, 18:36; Matt 26:53,54

  117. poohpity says:

    Don’t you find it odd that the religious people asked Jesus for more signs or miracles to prove who He was after He had done so many already?

  118. Beloved says:

    Lol who doesn’t like miracles!

  119. SFDBWV says:

    It is also interesting that some may look at our steadfast faith and believe us to be gullible. Just as Mart has put forth in this subject.

    Jesus tells us in John 14:12-14 KJV that if we ask anything in His name He will do it.
    In Philippians 4:4-7 to lace your requests with thanksgiving and expect then to receive peace.

    All prayer is some form of request as it may begin by “asking” forgiveness.

    It is even written we lack because we don’t ask.

    Of course James wrote that we don’t get what we ask for because we ask for the wrong things (amiss).

    It is quite the inner battle when we read if we have enough faith we can do all things, and when we can’t it becomes a struggle to wonder if we just don’t have enough faith.

    How many times have any of you ask for something deeply serious and in full concert with what appears to be God’s will only to be left empty handed or with more troubles?

    When such an event occurs are we gullible for expecting positive results or just stubbornly filled with faith?

    Now, yes you will have no shortage of “faith stealers” who will chip away at your faith by telling you, that you lack enough faith or ask “amiss”. I suppose they think they are empowered to answer for God.

    I think to a critical eye faith may look like gullibility, but to an eye fixed on Christ faith may look more like belief and trust.

    Lost power last night around 9pm amid a mixture of rain, sleet and freezing rain. Power back on by 12:40am. Snow early this morning with plummeting temperatures, 14 as I write this and still dropping.

    Every day of life is a struggle, every struggle is eased by prayer and belief and trust in God.

    If that tags me as being gullible then I will accept the idea that I am, whereas Jesus is concerned.

    Steve

  120. jeff1 says:

    I think one of the greatest truths is that in this world we will have tribulation!

    My personal life as a child and right into adulthood has been one of difficulties coupled with bad choices.

    Though all right thinking people have been praying and hoping for peace a bomb in Londonderry this morning reminds us of how fragile our peace is.

    It isn’t so much that we don’t have faith in God but that we underestimate the power of Satan in this world.

    What we have is a promise that we are in this world and not of it so that when suffering and struggles come we can know they are temporary and that God has overcome the world though we are too shortsighted to see it.

    I personally have leaned on the faith of friends when I have found my own faith lacking and that has gotten me through some doubting times.

    In a secular world faith is not encouraged and the truth is we are seen like a dying breed to many.

    I find it gets easier to trust God since I haven’t found anyone who meets my needs but Him.

  121. Beloved says:

    I just got a book on confessions and celebrations and am so blessed as I see more clearly how far short of perfection I fall. And how truly forgiving God is.

    Someone said “I’d rather be wrong now, than not to trust God and find out in the end that its too late. ”

    I used to ask God to please sell off one of His cows (He owns the cattle on a thousand hills) because I needed money, lol! Always the response was “wait”. Usually I found God had other means of meeting my “needs”. I learned to trust Him in the waiting. I’ve never been without food oxygen clothing or shelter of one mind of another. He always provides.

    Adding another thought to this hodge-podge post— miracles. When I was married and asking prayer for my husband to become a Christian I went to a small church that believed in miracles. I went up for prayer, intervening for my husband, and God did perform a miracle, He healed me of TMJ, instantly! I was so surprised as I did not ask for my healing. But I believe God did that to show me I could really trust He was actively involved. It really strengthened my new faith.

  122. Beloved says:

    ..of one KIND OR another.

  123. poohpity says:

    In the hall of faith in Hebrews 11 they had faith even though in their life time they never saw the provision of the promises of God and some of them in their life time did but they never stopped trusting God for them.

    Yes is not the only answer to prayers. Maybe reading John 14 in context of the rest may lead to a different conclusion about asking for anything in my name as Jesus said. Could He be talking about Spiritual matters?

  124. jeff1 says:

    God expects us to remain faithful in good times and bad times otherwise our faith would be conditional.

    God of the mountain

    Life is easy, when youre up on the mountain
    And youve got peace of mind, like youve never known
    But things change, when youre down in the valley
    Dont lose faith, for your never alone

    For the God on the mountain, is still God in the valley
    When things go wrong, he’ll make them right
    And the God of the good times, is still God in the bad times

    The God of the day, is still God in the night
    We talk of faith way up on the mountain
    But talk comes easy, when lifes at its best
    Now its down in the valleys, trials and temptations
    Thats where your faith is really put to the test

    For the God on the mountain, is still God in the valley,
    When things go wrong, he’ll make them right
    And the God of the good times, is still God in the bad times
    The God of the day, is still God in the night
    The God of the day, is still God in the night

  125. poohpity says:

    Do we think because of God’s love for us that He will be gullible and give us anything we ask for like our own personal private genie even if what we ask for will not be good for us in some way? Maybe a human parent would do that but would God?

  126. SFDBWV says:

    In between duties here this morning at minus 2 degrees Fahrenheit. A cold brutal day outside.

    Having read the morning paper, I came across a letter to the editor from someone who was countering a much earlier one published back in November, the 10th I believe, from an acquaintance of mine.

    Gary had written a piece about the evidence of a worldwide flood and his belief in the Biblical account of Noah’s flood.

    This morning rebuttal was biting acrid and insulting to Gary personally, but what caught my attention was the fact that this individual placed all of his belief in modern science. Not being an actual professional scientist himself, he put his trust in what he read from a non-believing secular world.

    It is apparent that not only can we as people be gullible with regards to love, but also with anything that sounds like anything we want to believe.

    I laugh every time I hear the words, “theory of evolution”. The emphasis on “theory” as there is no scientific fact yet discovered that proves evolution. Yet evolution is accepted and taught in schools as if it is “fact” not “theory”.

    I guess what might make a person “gullible” is believing to the point of defending or even denying any opposition to it.

    Does love make us gullible? Maybe it does when we want to believe so desperately that we might put all of our hopes and future existence in it.

    If we are to believe what is written in Scripture, believing God brings positive results whereas not believing Him brings disaster.

    So do I believe that when I enter into prayer with God that He hears me and that He cares about my petitions, or not.

    My petitions may be for myself as well as for others and mostly for their wellbeing and mine here and now, not specifically in a spiritual future.

    Out of time…Minus 1 degree.

    Steve

  127. foreverblessed says:

    The Cross!
    Have been away, and could not read the comments, only now while being logged in.
    Did you all see the red moon?
    How awesome!
    Glory to God who made heaven and earth!

    Just to comment to Beloved:
    ” a dissociative identity disorder, back in the 80’s called multiple personality disorder. ”
    A christian in our country wrote a book, on these miracle of the Cross.
    In it he describes a woman who had been sexually abused as a child. She had the same disorder! She had become a christian, but the disorder remained, after 10 years, and much prayer, a whole support group started to pray and fast over her.
    Then one night, while praying for her, she fell on the floor, and it seemed she was overwhelmed by the Holy Spirit.
    The pastor stayed close to her, but then the Holy Spirit spoke very clear to him: Step aside, this is the work of the Holy Spirit.
    So, puzzled what that meant, he went afar, and waited.
    A long time passed by!

    Then she stood up, and it appeared as if she was made new! Free!
    Then she told them that while she was laying there, that she found herself at the foot of the Cross. And that Jesus was hanging there, and He said: Come close to my heart. He took her up, and held her close to his heart. And everything was black.
    A long time she was held like that!
    Then Jesus let her go, and she was free!
    Jesus, who sets the prisoners free!
    Her multi personality disorder was gone.
    Taken up in the blackness of the Cross.
    It was a mystery what exactly had happened, but she was herself now.

    We have a Cross, not a crutch.
    Glory to God in the highest!

    ( And what is TMA?)

  128. Beloved says:

    Forever,
    TMJ is a temporal mandibular joint disorder, jaw pain basically.

    What happened to me was simular. It was being granted the gift of repentance while still hanging on to a couple “personalities” I thought I needed for support after many others had left through prayer and giving them a place to tell their pain/trauma with caring prayer warriors. I was praying- seeking God as always during worship and suddenly I saw Jesus in the Spirit and He told me I was released and healed! Suddenly my “supports” were gone and there i stood, alone for the first time since I was about 4. 2 counselors I was seeing through the church attested to the healing also. I was 49. I’m still quite fragile, battle worn really, but God loved me enough to see me through the years of turmoil and bring Glory to Himself as I prayed many many times for Him to please take me Home. but He had a plan for this ruined little girl, sexually abused almost daily for some 14 years. God so loved me that He gave His only begotten Son, whom in faith I believe, so will have eternal life with Him. These 69 years or however long I live are nothing compared to eternity, my troubles nothing compared to what many have suffered for the cross of Christ. He lives!

  129. Beloved says:

    Am I gullible about God’s love? You better believe it!

  130. Regina says:

    Good Afternoon, All
    Happy MLK Day! Found out today that this Holiday is also celebrated in other countries (Japan, *Toronto Canada (*not a *paid* holiday) and Holland (the Dr. MLK Tribute and Dinner held on the last Sunday in January). George Washington, MLK and Christopher Columbus are the only figures to have holidays dedicated to them in the U.S.

    Have been away for awhile because I was having computer issues. Had to take my laptop to the Geek Squad because I needed help in 3 areas (anti virus protection, computer speed, and I received email password reset from AT&T).

    Have been thinking about one of the verses that Mart shared in this blog, John 2:23-25… I read the TLB version, “23) Because of the miracles he did in Jerusalem at the Passover celebration, many people were convinced that he was indeed the Messiah. 24-25) But Jesus didn’t trust them, for he knew mankind to the core. No one needed to tell him how changeable human nature is!”

    Wow… Interesting that Jesus didn’t “trust” them. Verse 24 doesn’t say that Jesus knew that they weren’t “trustworthy”, it says, “He didn’t *trust* them.” When Judas Iscariot betrayed Jesus, the betrayal didn’t catch Jesus by surprise. HE was fully aware of Judas’ motives.
    Verse 24 brought to mind that… Jesus –God the Son– didn’t trust them, but we know He loved them. Wow… that helps me understand, on another level, that “love” and “trust” are truly two different emotions.
    The interaction with Jesus and those people that he didn’t trust brought satan to mind… For all of our Christian lives we’ve been taught that he’s our enemy (our only enemy because we don’t wrestle–our spiritual warfare is not– against flesh and blood but against principalities and spiritual wickedness in high places), and that spiritual truth was/is confirmed in our heart and mind by the Holy Spirit.

    Am thinking that Jesus didn’t “trust” them because He knew that they were still in relationship with their father, the devil. My thoughts for now…

    52 degrees and cloudy in my neck of the woods.

    Love to all,
    Regina

  131. Beloved says:

    Regina that was good, I am wondering also if He didn’t trust them because the Holy Spirit had not yet come, and Jesus knew they didn’t have enough power in themselves to even do righteously, no Spirit and Truth yet, also His atonement for all sins was yet to occur.

  132. Beloved says:

    I remember it was prophesied that one of the twelve would betray Him. So I think He expected it. It’s so exciting to match ancient prophecy with outcomes, I think.

  133. poohpity says:

    It is so exciting to know the One(God) who sent the prophesies to us so that we will not be kept in the dark about what the future holds. Revealed to those who are open to hear from Him, those who desire to know Him. God revealed Himself through Jesus and left us with another(Holy Spirit) to guide us into all His truths and His wisdom. One of the great rewards from being born again.

    Regina it is great to have newer translations rather than from the 16th century because great lengths have come about since then in translating the original language into modern English which makes it easier to understand.

  134. Regina says:

    Think I shared this poem years ago… If not, have to share. If so, it’s worthy of a re-share…

    “Myself” (Edgar Guest)

    I have to live with myself, and so,
    I want to be fit for myself to know;
    I want to be able as days go by,
    Always to look myself straight in the eye;
    I don’t want to stand with the setting sun
    And hate myself for the things I’ve done.

    I don’t want to keep on a closet shelf
    A lot of secrets about myself,
    And fool myself as I come and go
    Into thinking that nobody else will know
    The kind of man I really am;
    I don’t want to dress myself up in sham.

    I want to go out with my head erect,
    I want to deserve all men’s respect;
    But here in this struggle for fame and pelf,
    I want to be able to like myself.
    I don’t want to think as I come and go
    That I’m bluster and bluff and empty show.

    I never can hide myself from me,
    I see what others may never see,
    I know what others may never know,
    I never can fool myself– and so,
    Whatever happens, I want to be
    Self-respecting and conscience free.

  135. Regina says:

    You made a good point, beloved, regarding the Holy Spirit having not yet come to earth and the people not having the power to do righteously and walk out the fruit of the Spirit. Your thoughts are in total agreement with verse 25 (The Living Bible)…”Jesus didn’t trust them, for he knew mankind to the core. No one needed to tell him how changeable human nature is!”
    And, yes, even before it was prophesied Jesus knew He would be betrayed by Judas… John 1:1 and 3 comes to mind… “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God.” Verse 3: “Through Him all things were made.”
    I agree, pooh, regarding the benefit of newer translations of the Bible… They definitely help us to better understand the Word of God on a higher level.

  136. jeff1 says:

    Thinking of how we hurt those we love as they are closest to us!

    1 O love that wilt not let me go,
    I rest my weary soul in thee;
    I give thee back the life I owe,
    that in thine ocean depths its flow
    may richer, fuller be.

    2 O light that followest all my way,
    I yield my flickering torch to thee;
    my heart restores its borrowed ray,
    that in thy sunshine’s blaze its day
    may brighter, fairer be.

    3 O joy that seekest me through pain,
    I cannot close my heart to thee;
    I trace the rainbow through the rain,
    and feel the promise is not vain
    that morn shall tearless be.

    4 O cross that liftest up my head,
    I dare not ask to fly from thee;
    I lay in dust life’s glory dead,
    and from the ground there blossoms red
    life that shall endless be.

  137. Beloved says:

    Just to clarify, the Holy Spirit was here already, as we read in the OT many times (prophets), but was not poured out for ALL until Jesus ascended.

    Oh love that will not let me go, I cannot hide myself from thee!!! Indeed!

  138. Regina says:

    Just finished speed reading through all of the comments on this blog topic, and, Steve, I want to re-share some of the thoughts in one of your comments as I believe they’re SO worthy of reading again…

    “If you believe that others will always return the same love or worthy of the trust you give them then yes you may be seen as gullible, but if your love remains under the definition as explained it won’t matter if they don’t reciprocate or if they let you down, you will always hope for the best.

    Longsuffering means that you wait for as long as it takes.

    How many prayers go unanswered before you give up and no longer believe they will be?

    Do you trust God or not?

    This spiritual truth stood out in my mind the most, and I wish I could’ve highlighted it:

    ************************************************************
    When it comes to people, be as wise as serpents and harmless as doves. When it comes to God hope and trust are never wasted.”
    ************************************************************

    I pray that everyone will have a *phenomenal* Tuesday, and that the Holy Spirit will cleanse you and fill you to overflowing with His presence and supernatural power. And I pray that your mind will be full of thoughts on the *goodness* of God.

    Love to all,
    Regina

  139. foreverblessed says:

    Wow,Beloved what a testimony, and what a story your life is! 20 years ago I was involved in a woman’s ministry, and the theme of sexual abuse was always coming back, as so many had been victim.
    But your release was just a much a miracle as hers. Just free from bondage!
    Did you feel empty then, or was the love of jesus big enough to have filled the space.

    Steve, there is also a website called:
    bething.org
    And it talks about the creation and the bible.
    John 1:1 “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

    2 The same was in the beginning with God.

    3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

    4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.”

    Everything that was made, came by the Word of Jesus.
    It is a miracle that matter exists.

    But exactly how the bible must be interpretated, in Genesis 1 is a matter of debate. A matter of how literal you take the meaning.

    This concept of taking the bible literal or spiritual is a great theme among Christians!
    A great point of disagreement.
    And that is sad.

    My older brother takes the point that no woman should have authority over man, very literal. And he is just right in his own view of interpreting the bible, and I was in the wrong of having taken an assignment in leading a group of men, years ago.
    In his view, I should have relented of taken that assignment, because no woman should rule over a man.
    So we have this disagreement going on.

    The same with the Creation. Everybody believes as he sees fit, and sees his own interpretation as the truth. Matter of fact is, God only knows, and God is the One supreme.

    I saw a speech of John Lennox, “the seven days that divide the world”
    It is on youtube, and he resounds what I have been thinking all along.
    He started talking about another matter that divided the world, 500 years ago.
    From literal interpretation of certain bible verses, that the earth was fixed. And not moved.
    Then Copernicus was found to be an heretic, because he said that the earth moved around the sun.
    Even Maarten Luther was believing the earth was fixed.
    (Psalm 96:10
    Psalm 19:4-6, the sun appeared to be moving around the earth, if it was taken literal.)

    Nowadays all christians believe the earth is moving, and yet has no problem that the interpretation of these bible verse are not to be seen as literal.
    But 500 years ago, it was a great divider. A cause of division among christians.

    John Lennox debating Richard Dawkins, is also to be seen on Youtube.
    I haven’t seen it yet, plan to do it:
    The Word is the beginning of all matter. The first cause. That many scientists do not want to see.
    But many do.

    The great thing Jon Lennox said:
    He was judged by fellow scientists of believing that Jesus was God and man. How can you explain that.
    Then John says in return:
    You believe in energy, yes?
    Yes, yet you do not know what energy IS. But you only know how it works. And you do not consider yourself stupid.
    And yet: You make me feel stupid for believeing something that cannot be explained, and yet the Power of it is great in my life.

    So I should think that the great testimony to the world is how we as christians are One,

    John 17:20-24
    Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;

    21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

    22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

    23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

    24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.

    So I love you, and do respect you.
    And all will be clear when we are on the other side!
    I believe that through God everything was created, but how exactly He did it, we may disagree upon. And I do not mind.

  140. foreverblessed says:

    Jesus is our Savior!

    Having seen testimonies of many different people, muslims, mormons, last week, I was so thrilled.
    But then I saw the testimony of a calvinist pastor, “the five points of calvinism refuted”
    Then I was greatly saddened:
    After having come to be a chirstian, which is a grat hing, will they remain joyful, and full of grace?
    Or start to discuss about points that are not really that great a deal.
    Making such a big point of predestination, and making a schism as to exactly believe as you do.
    While there might be many interpretations.

    I was praying for all those people who in a great miracle have seen Jesus first coming in their lives, and then to hold on to that great oe for Jesus, great accatation of that love of Jesus!

    That the person who ones was a lost son, now becomes the oldest son.

    And I was one of them. I made a big point that we should keep the sabbath, from sunset friady might, to sunset saterday night. I even found the name Saturday for Sabbath a downer.
    God was merciful to me, and He showed me what He really meant with the Sabbath.
    And He showed me that everything that is done out of love for Him, He will respect. But He also says:
    Do not judge the other person:

    Romans 14:5-12
    One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

    6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

    7 For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself.

    8 For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord’s.

    9 For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.

    10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.

    11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.

    12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.

  141. poohpity says:

    Mart asked, “And, unless I’m missing something, did Paul actually say that love always trusts or believes— other people? Or did he leave us room for a Jesus-like kindness, patience and…. that…trusts and hopes— in God?”

    Isn’t the being gullible that Mart was speaking about in regards to other human beings who can have their minds so set on/in something that they no longer have the ability to learn anything new. So they trust people but when it comes to things God says there is no trust? So the conclusion may be gullible with the people and question God.

  142. poohpity says:

    1 Cor 2: 9 That is what the Scriptures mean when they say,

    “No eye has seen, no ear has heard,
    and no mind has imagined
    what God has prepared
    for those who love him.”

    10 But it was to us that God revealed these things by his Spirit. For his Spirit searches out everything and shows us God’s deep secrets. 11 No one can know a person’s thoughts except that person’s own spirit, and no one can know God’s thoughts except God’s own Spirit. 12 And we have received God’s Spirit (not the world’s spirit), so we can know the wonderful things God has freely given us.

    John 14:26, 16:13; 1 John 2:27

  143. foreverblessed says:

    This is how the calvinists speak when defending their doctrine of predestination:
    They have their preset interpretation of what predestination means, and then they say:
    It is a mystery!

  144. foreverblessed says:

    The one thing that we can be sure about:
    The love of God through the Cross of Jesus Christ!

    And I’d rather be persecuted for that fact,
    It is a mystery that Jesus, being the Word, becommes man. That He takes up our sins, and bears them on the Cross,
    That is a mystery, nobody knows how that can be!

    I’d rather be persecuted for that Truth, than for anything else!
    Be it the predestination, be it the young earth, be it whatever else, that is not the Main Truth:

    Freed by our Savior Jesus Christ.

    The Word, through which edverything that exists exists. The Word become flesh,
    and died
    and Rose again,
    Who now lived in us through the Holy Spirit,
    Christ IN you.

    Let the world see that that is the truth by the evidence of the unity of the believers in Christ.

    May they also be in Us, that the world may see that You have sent Me.

    John 17:21

    The evidence:The Glory of Jesus exibited in us, that is the sign to the world, that there must be something greater than ourselves, some powerful spiritual force, that has wrought this in us.

    John 17:20-23
    Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;

    21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

    22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

    23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

  145. poohpity says:

    Rather than following the dogma or doctrines that human beings have established by taking parts of the bible to back up their way of thinking(the reason there are so many different religions) don’t you think it is much better to learn from the Lord Himself who is more than happy to teach us about Himself than to learn it from third or fourth parties? It would be like someone going through my child or parent or brother to learn about me rather than sitting down with just me. One does not have a relationship with someone through another person, relationships usually have the intimacy of one on one contact then no biases, prejudices or perceptions can shade or taint that relationship. Just as 1 John 2:27 explains.

  146. jeff1 says:

    It is my preconceived beliefs that hinders me from trusting God.

    I was indoctrinated to think and believe in a certain way but a follower of God is not limited to how they are indoctrinated.

    My dad was not influenced by his culture or religion when it came to following God and that is why his vision was greater than mine and others of his time because he was aligned with God’s truths and not the truths of his day or culture.

    God rewards trust and obedience in a person and that I was blind to seeing that is down to my ignorance and shortsightedness.

    When I am trusting God I am not gullible as my dad did recognise my gullibility because he had God’s discernment and not his own which is God’s reward to His follower.

    My greatest hindrance in knowing God is walking with Him i.e. alongside Him. I run in front or I lag behind but it is the most mysterious sight to see a man walk in step with God.

    Walk with me, Lord, walk with me
    Walk with me, Lord, walk with me
    While I’m on this tedious journey, Lord
    Walk with me, Lord, walk with me, Lord
    Yeah

    Hold my hand, Lord, hold my hand, yes
    Hold my hand, Lord, hold my hand
    While I’m on this, while I’m on this tedious journey, Lord
    I want you to hold my hand, Lord, hold my hand, yeah
    Hold my hand, Lord, yeah

    Walk with me, Lord, walk with me, yeah
    Walk with me, Lord, walk with me, yes
    While I’m on this, while I’m on this tedious journey, Lord
    Walk with me, Lord, walk with me, yeah

    Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
    Oh yeah

    Don’t leave me alone, Lord, no
    Don’t you leave me alone
    I need you to hold my hand, Lord
    Hold my hand, Lord
    Yeah, yeah, yeah
    Hold my hand, Lord

  147. Beloved says:

    Does love make us gullible?

    I think being hungry for love makes us gullible, until we are burned so many times we become skeptical that ANYONE could love us. Then we end up settling for whatever snippets of love that comes along. Usually looking in all the wrong places, until Jesus comes along with the love that surpasses all, fills all and blesses completely. Even those completely damaged can find and feel this amazing Perfect Love. Amazing, Gods grace!

  148. Beloved says:

    Forever yes I felt empty (alone) but relieved at the same time as I did not know my sin of putting others (alters) before God until He gave me the gift of repentance. God is enough, yes, but I still long for emotional/physical love. We are made for relationship. I still don’t trust people and tend to stay distant until I know them really really well. I’m fragile in my personhood but confident in my Savior!

  149. street says:

    love “always believes”— or as some translations put it “always trusts” (1Cor 13:7).
    thinking obedience here.

    thinking further down the road. always believes/trust…depends on where all things come from? things can be divided into two groups, light and darkness. God is light and in Him is no darkness. even the darkness is light to Him. light drives out darkness.

    when one hears the father of lies ones has to pick and chose what they want to believe. impossible to do well without Truth or Light. i have heard it called the cafeteria plan.

    when God speaks we hear something totally different, Truth. question is do we hear the love and affection in this Truth? all these were foreign to us. revealed over time in Great mercy and grace through Christ. all things are from God, Who is Good all the time. trust in His Word, made Flesh, a little lower than angles. exalted to the Right Hand of God, till He makes His enemies a footstool for His feet.

    it seems to me the father of lies blames God for all the evil in the world or bad things that happen. seems to me He is keeping His Word. every time flesh and blood dies God is keeping His Word.

    John 8:51-53
    51 Truly, truly, I say to you, if anyone keeps My word he will never see death.” 52 The Jews said to Him, “Now we know that You have a demon. Abraham died, and the prophets also; and You say, ‘If anyone keeps My word, he will never taste of death.’ 53 Surely You are not greater than our father Abraham, who died? The prophets died too; whom do You make Yourself out to be?”

    John 11:25-27
    25 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life; he who believes in Me will live even if he dies, 26 and everyone who lives and believes in Me will never die. Do you believe this?” 27 She said to Him, “Yes, Lord; I have believed that You are the Christ, the Son of God, even He who comes into the world.”

    Jeremiah 28:8-10
    8 The prophets who were before me and before you from ancient times prophesied against many lands and against great kingdoms, of war and of calamity and of pestilence. 9 The prophet who prophesies of peace, when the word of the prophet comes to pass, then that prophet will be known as one whom the Lord has truly sent.”

  150. Beloved says:

    Forever I was overwhelmed by Gods love, completely overwhelmed. Jesus face was like a fire. In fact for months afterward I burned a candle in remembrance of what God had revealed to me. A special glimpse of His great love banishing my sins forever!

  151. Beloved says:

    Jesus is our peace with God and mankind

  152. Beloved says:

    He said: Come close to my heart. He took her up, and held her close to his heart. And everything was black.

    Yes I understand this. Light and darkness can only stand together with God. She was sheilded, as was Moses. When I saw Jesus he was walking about 50 feet from me, turned with face like a flame and spoke to me. Consuming fire!

    Another remembrance; when I got word that my dad was dying, he being 1000 miles away from me I could not go, but called the church prayer warriors because I did not know if He was saved yet. We together asked God to please tell me so I could have peace. He died and a while later suddenly he appeared in my apt briefly with two very large angels, they had dark teal blue robes, I could not see their faces, so tall above my dads. My dad’s face was bright red and smiling and he said, thank you, Joyce, keep praying for your momma, then disappeared.

    I was stunned! Why was he so red? That following Sunday night at church a strange man came in, saying he was passing by and felt he needed to share what God had done while visiting his brother in hospital. He said his brother died, but suddenly revived again saying he’d been sent back to earth as it was not his time. His face was bright red, as though burned by fire. I had my answer.

    Anyway I found out my dad committed His life to Christ just 6 weeks earlier. I was told he went through a huge personality change at the time. That was all I needed to hear.
    God is good, He is light, perfect, and in the business of redeeming His creation, all of the time.

  153. foreverblessed says:

    Beloved, thank you for sharing this!
    That is so awesome!
    Who could have saved you?
    Who could have freed you?
    Who could have filled you with love?

    Jesus

    You have a great testimony!

  154. foreverblessed says:

    Oh, there was coming some more!
    Oh, what a great God!
    Your dad saved too!
    What a miracles.
    I’ve got to go, but have experienced something last weekend!
    About dealing with humanly speaking uncompromising differences of understanding.

    Jesus is the One Who stands in between!

  155. poohpity says:

    It seems many people would like us to trust everything they say without question but even God Himself does not do that with us. God asked us to “come and see” or “come and taste or test” so even God does not seem to want us to be gullible with what He says. Just as He tests our faith to see if it is real or only something we “say” without ever doing anything that shows it. Just like love we can “say” we love but then never do anything that shows it. Again like “saying” we are spirit filled but no evidence of the fruit of the Spirit. Saying we not worldly but all the actions we do, are.

    Anyone can SAY many things about being close to God but if it is not seen by our actions then it is just as Paul describes it, making loud noises. I think that may be why Paul has given us barometers to check ourselves against to see if we are all words with no actions. I also think that is why God will put us in circumstances that will show if we really trust and believe in Him or NOT.

  156. Beloved says:

    That was a good confession, pooh. Praise God for His forgiveness, mercy and grace!

  157. poohpity says:

    Gee Joyce starting so early this morning already? After all that wonderful testimony about how the Lord has changed your heart. gong clang crash bang bong

  158. poohpity says:

    I was talking further about the subject of the topic and my life experiences, I do not see how it could be taken as a confession of some kind. Only you could think of it that way.

  159. Beloved says:

    But for the grace of God, go I.

  160. jeff1 says:

    Why would I mistrust others without good reason as it is not normal behaviour to go around thinking the worst of people.

    I am not above my Master and Jesus had the right to mistrust but unless another gives me reason to mistrust them then I don’t see myself as gullible but making a judgement on what I know.

    I should show a spirit of trust towards others if I expect it to be reciprocated and not until something comes to light to make me doubt would I be seen to be gullible if I continued to trust.

  161. Beloved says:

    My apologies.

  162. street says:

    34 “Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35 For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law;

  163. Beloved says:

    True street, but I hate conflict, yet it’s inevitable.

  164. Beloved says:

    The results from my encounter with Jesus caused many to ask Jesus for healing. But also some accused me of being healed by the devil and some said I was lying. Shocking to me at the time. This church that set out to prove to the community they were the true worshippers with tongues, ecstatic worship and no liturgy revealed the wolves; some elders even. Like I said, I don’t handle conflict well so decided to leave. His sword is sharp indeed. Only He has perfect discernment amongst the gullible sheep that we often are.

  165. street says:

    Why would I mistrust others without good reason as it is not normal behaviour to go around thinking the worst of people.

    in american law there is a presumption of innocence till proved guilty in a court of law. God has already judged people from a Court of Law. He keeps His Word and they keep dying. as The Judge, and keeping with His Character, He found away, not to circumvent the Law but to fulfill it. In Christ, Messiah. every time i meet a person i am thinking like star trek, yellow alert! they really are not the problem, the real problem is my response to them. my action or in action is what condemns or commends me. even paul says even if my conscious is clear i am not acquitted. we need to be Justified declared Righteous. sometimes i don’t feel that way. yes i know my accuser and deceiver is at large. i am so glad i will never be alone in this process. street the gullible

  166. street says:

    19 So we have the prophetic word made more sure, to which you do well to pay attention as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star arises in your hearts. 20 But know this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one’s own interpretation, 21 for no prophecy was ever made by an act of human will, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God.

  167. poohpity says:

    street, I so agree when you said, “In Christ, Messiah. every time i meet a person i am thinking like star trek, yellow alert! they really are not the problem, the real problem is my response to them. my action or in action is what condemns or commends me.” True that.

  168. SFDBWV says:

    Please excuse my dry humor, but I have to smile at the direction of the commentary this morning.
    An old saying goes something like this; “hope for the best, but prepare for the worst.”
    It works for people and about anything else we are left to deal with.

    I get about 4 to 6 phishing phone calls a day. I always ask what I may be able to do for them and as they claim to be either from my computer technical support team or from Medicare or even what they call the “medical department”. All of these people are thieves trying to get information from me or into my computer to just steal it.

    Am I gullible for answering the phone? No because they use real phone numbers of other unsuspecting people in order to get me to answer the phone. Is it aggravating? You bet your sweet bippy it is.

    Does it make me less a Christian for knowing these people are thieves? I think not.

    The same goes for people who are wolves in sheep’s clothing. You can offer an olive branch but be sure to be wearing your armor when you do.

    This topic is going to remain answered by the Scripture reference as being wise as serpents and gentle as doves in every situation.

    Steve

  169. foreverblessed says:

    God is merciful!
    Really full of Grace.
    The only thing we can say is:
    Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing.

    Jesus died for the sin of the world, He also died for the person that does not (yet) know what they are doing.
    The father of Beloved was saved, before he died. Beloved, you got a vision of hun being in Paradise.
    But while on earth, you haven’t seen him face to face, him saying he was sorry.
    How do you get along with somebody like that in your case.
    Only with the power and love from Jesus!

    Jesus is the One White standse between you and him.
    Jesus died for your sins, and for your enemies sins.
    Leave the wrath to God:
    Meaning to say that the wrath of God was taken up by Jesus.

    Always trusts!
    Trust that your father would come to repentance.

    If you would have known years ago, that this would be the outcome, it would have been easier to deal with your father, all along!

    It would have been easier to see that the Cross would cover him, only not yet now!

    I was outside, and there was a couple walking, she had a really red face!
    I had to think of your dad!

    And what a pity, the reaction of your church! Satan will do anything just to hinder the work of the Cross!
    Such a shame!

    Why did Pooh not show her joy for you?

    The freedom through the Cross, stands there!
    Jesus is your Savior, still is.

  170. Beloved says:

    @11:37 I like that perspective, very helpful to this sweet bippy! Steve you are a hoot! Thanks for the smile!

  171. foreverblessed says:

    Steve, we were posting the same time!
    God bless you!
    God bless all of you!
    And especially Pooh!
    Pooh is a dearly loved child of God,
    So is Jeff
    So is Beloved
    Street too
    Pat also

    And so am I.
    Righteous, that is to say: Made to be in the right place that is IN Jesus, while not all dross is made clear to me.
    But lots is gone, and forgotten.
    But Satan wants me to think:
    That’s snel easy way out:
    Just say sorry, and gone it is.

    Yes, we are a new person in Christ, the old has gone, the new has come.
    Live in the newnesse ogen LIFE.
    Throw out that old way ofe thinking!

    Just simple.

    But the Cross was horrendous, no easy thing it was for Jesus!

    So we answer Satan: it was not easy, it was very costly!

    the blood of the Son of God covers me,
    And you!

  172. jeff1 says:

    I may be wiser than I think I am when it comes to people but when I look at my life I seem to have made some very bad calls so I don’t trust my own judgements but there are people whose judgements I would trust better than my own.

    God does bring others into my life to reveal to me what I have not seen for myself. God makes a way when there seems to be no way and that means I can trust Him no matter how gullible I am He has my back.

    “God Will Make A Way”

    God will make a way
    Where there seems to be no way
    He works in ways we cannot see
    He will make a way for me

    He will be my guide
    Hold me closely to His side
    With love and strength for each new day
    He will make a way, He will make a way

    Oh, God will make a way
    Where there seems to be no way
    He works in ways we cannot see
    He will make a way for me

    He will be my guide
    Hold me closely to His side
    With love and strength for each new day
    He will make a way, He will make a way

    By a roadway in the wilderness, He’ll lead me
    And rivers in the desert will I see
    Heaven and Earth will fade but His Word will still remain
    He will do something new today

    Oh, God will make a way
    Where there seems to be no way
    He works in ways we cannot see
    He will make a way for me

    He will be my guide
    Hold me closely to His side
    With love and strength for each new day
    He will make a way, He will make a way

    Oh, God will make a way
    Where there seems to be no way
    He works in ways we cannot see
    He will make a way for me

    He will be my guide
    Hold me closely to His side
    With love and strength for each new day
    He will make a way, He will make a way

    With love and strength for each new day
    He will make a way, He will make a way

  173. Beloved says:

    Father God, I give to you the blessings you have given to me this day. Be glorified, be honored be praised.

  174. poohpity says:

    Jesus died for sins of every person past, present and future whether they acknowledge it or not. Supposedly coming to know how much grace we have been shown in our own lives usually it comes pouring out or overflowing to/towards others. However when it does not usually one has lost sight of their own sin and take the outlook of the religious leaders of Jesus time as He said in Luke 18:9 NLT

  175. poohpity says:

    I have no right to assume what is in anyone’s heart nor do I think it is my job because only God can know those things so my job is treat others as I would like to be treated and with the grace I have been shown. That does not mean I have to believe everything I hear because often when people strive to be liked they tell stories to manipulate others and often there is only a bit of truth hidden somewhere in the fables.

    I can look for the good in others and show them love without being gullible by believing everything they say.

  176. Beloved says:

    Gullible– who cares, does it really matter? I found this from an author that goes by Kerchlow Chronicles:

    Instead of complaining we should so trust God under as well as through the most dire of circumstances.
    Our attitude should be one of total trust where we believe God is in charge of our whole life’s entire.

    BEHIND EVERY BLADE OF GRASS

    Two ants moved through the grass,
    and as they both busily walked along
    One moved each step with great caution,
    while the other always sang his merry song

    The one ant said to the other,
    “How is it that you always now sing
    For you know not about tomorrow,
    or the heartache that it can bring?”

    “For you do not know what lurks
    in this grass that someone sowed
    And you do not know when it will be cut,
    or the day in which it will be mowed!”

    The singing ant replied, “You’re right!
    I know none of these that you’ve said
    But I do know my Lord,
    and that’s all the better then instead!”

    “For behind every blade of grass,
    I see now the Lord
    And when I see the grass cut from on high above,
    I know it’s even by His very own sword!”

    “And now no matter what ever befalls me,
    or what ever comes along
    Behind every blade of grass,
    I know my Lord awaits to hear my song!”

  177. Beloved says:

    I have no right to assume what is in anyone’s heart

    Could be the beginning of a good confession.

  178. Beloved says:

    because often when people strive to be liked they tell stories to manipulate others and often there is only a bit of truth hidden somewhere in the fables.

    Judgy

  179. foreverblessed says:

    Dear beloved, you did not tell your story tot be liked. So this is not about you anyway.
    It is ofcourse interesting why this has to be written, just after your amazing testimony!
    What would Jesus write here? To think about that is wonderful!
    Why would I even think for one minute the strange thought patterns others have! And yet I have to confess I do!
    While my eyes should be on Jesus!
    From Him comes the Love, the Peace.

    I often have to think about the Israelites in the desert, when looking up to the snake on the pole, they were healed.
    This is the same today: when looking to the Cross, His healing Spirit flows through us, cleaning more and more!
    Maybe not as miraculous, but steady, nonetheless!

    Be still and know that I am God.

    I want to tell you how much I am encouraged by your story, and how good it is to hope for the best.
    Even if people live in lies now, captivated by the father of lies,
    They see Jesus NOT YET!

    And as Jeff often talks about her own past failures, I have tot remember the time before Jesus was revealed in my heart.

  180. jeff1 says:

    God works differently in us because we are different i.e. He has to connect with me differently because I have a disturbed mind than He did with my dad who had total stability of mind.

    It is that I see God work that encourages and comforts me and so don’t let another rob you of that blessing because they do not know where you are coming from or where you have been while God does and you are on this journey with Him.

    I must get out of God’s way both in my own life and in the life of others because He does know best but I want to fix things my way when God has a far better way.

    As a parent I have been used to trying to fix things for my children and though they are now adults I still find myself thinking I know what is best for them and so I am finding that letting go and letting God doesn’t come easy to me as my need to be needed hasn’t changed.

  181. poohpity says:

    I do know another thing; our ego’s can make us think someone is talking about us when in reality they are not. It would seem that one of the reasons would be that one talks about others in a round about way so they think others do the same.

    I guess it would then also follow that those who enjoy talking about subject will enjoy others who do the same which on here is often not the case. Sometimes that can be in a general way in regards to the subject like speaking of human nature on a whole rather than pin pointing anyone specifically. It all comes down to what a person is like and they often think others are the same when in reality that may be very far from the truth.

    Unless I have addressed a person specially I usually am discussing other aspects of the subject because I do not like nor enjoy talking about other people. Only small minded people enjoy talking about other people and I hope my mind can go beyond that to talk about ideas, subjects and events.

    I did go to school to learn about human nature and behavior because I love people and want to understand them on a deeper level, so I do feel I can at least talk in an informed way about what I actually did study. I read the book and can give a book report the same with the bible. I think that is way better than giving a report on something that has never been read about or studied so I just assume.

    Don’t you think that is the problem in our society today so many opinions offered with no facts but many assumptions and jumping to conclusions. Look what happened to those high school kids in DC last weekend.

  182. SFDBWV says:

    Last evening I was thinking about the thin difference between being gullible and just being innocent.

    The thought quickly took me to Jesus telling His Disciples to allow the little children to come to Him.

    Until taught otherwise children are trusting and open to believing those around them, even kind or nice people they meet.

    That doesn’t make them gullible, only innocent.

    Jesus goes the step further as tells us to be like little children, as such will inherit the Kingdom of God. (Matthew 18:3-6 KJV).

    A little food for thought.

    Steve

  183. poohpity says:

    Joyce this for you specifically. I have shared many things on here in the form of confessions of faults and failures and my testimony only for you to turn it into a weapon you can use against me in some form or another. So I would have to be pretty ignorant to continue to do it. How many times have I tried to be a friend to you only to have you use it as a means to rip me apart? It is no wonder you are lonely and have a hard time in a church group or with friends or family. The important part is I know how people are with Borderline Personality Disorder so I understand your behavior and it is better to not engage but sadly I have hope so I still do it anyway.

  184. poohpity says:

    The definition of gullible : easily duped or cheated.

    The definition of innocence : freedom from guilt or sin through being unacquainted with evil.

    So children learn at a very young age how to dupe their parents so are they ever really innocent?

  185. Beloved says:

    Dear forever, I’m not reading her posts for a while, best for me to not give space for a while. You bless me indeed though, because you are so aware of Gods blessings in your life. It’s Gods glory and not mine that’s important though, and I feel badly if He has been dishonored because of me. My words/actions do not live up to what Christ has done for me. I am well aware of my sins and shortcomings. But I remember how He loves me and I am healed! Oh what a loving, kind and merciful God we serve!
    Blessings to you and all today.

  186. jeff1 says:

    My mum believed my dad was gullible because she said he only seen the good in people but she could not have been further from the truth because my dad had the shrewdest mind but he allowed others to believe what they wanted of him because he was not disturbed by what others said or thought as he was focused on God leading him.

    It takes stability of mind to set your mind on God and that was his strength above all other.

  187. street says:

    having trouble loading comments for awhile now. IT needs informed. clicking on a post will not take you to the post.

  188. Beloved says:

    Good thoughts Steve. A prophet told me once I was without guile. I guess innocent is the same. Like children, yes, we come. Lambs to slaughter. I am not a prophet, apostle, deacon or elder, therefore I must rely on others to shepherd me, always looking toward the Great Shepherd as God over us all. I so appreciate the shepherding you, street and forever do here. God bless you as you walk in your gifts.

  189. Beloved says:

    Street i was having problems yesterday. I had to sign in in order for the page to work correctly.

  190. Beloved says:

    Interesting.

    guileless – Dictionary Definition : Vocabulary.com

    guileless. If you are guileless, you are not a liar; you are innocent, and you might be a touch on the gullible side. To be guileless is to be without guile. Guile is “deceit, duplicity and trickery.”

  191. Beloved says:

    Why did Pooh not show her joy for you?

    “A narcissist is incapable of empathy and reciprocity”. Pastor Colin Smith

  192. Beloved says:

    Ok, being not just gullible but stupid i read poohs post to me. You are wrong, I’ve seen psychologists/licensed therapists and never been diagnosed BPD. It’s always PTSD generalized anxiety disorder and dysthimia (low grade depression). Reading a book does not give one the ability to diagnose. Your narcissism creates barriers to true fellowship. You can’t help who you are. Which is why you react so violently to criticism. The base of a narc. is low self worth. Fragile even. Like glass easily shattered. Unable to hear rebuke you hope and trust that Gods grace will overlook your deficits of personality. And perhaps it will!!! I pray so. But don’t expect others to like it. But when you continue thinking in a worldly way (using scripture to fight with instead of for your own personal growth spiritually) that troubles me. I know how you hate being called out for your behaviors but I guess it was my turn. As for trying to be your friend, well, that was a mistake. Acquaintance is more comfortable. Gullible I can be, yes, but I forget that with you there can be no middle (common) ground.

    As with forever I painfully pray God bless you and hope you really feel how much God loves you. The cross is the proof of that love. Please do not address me further, however. I will decide when I can talk with you here again.

  193. Beloved says:

    “Woe to those who call evil good
    and good evil,
    who put darkness for light
    and light for darkness” (Isaiah 5:20).

  194. poohpity says:

    Joyce, Why is it you can address me but want no reply to your guile? You are not guileless but rather full of it in more ways than one.

  195. poohpity says:

    I know I need Jesus! I know the very reason why He said, “John 2:24-25 NLT”

    Matt 9: 9 As Jesus was walking along, he saw a man named Matthew sitting at his tax collector’s booth. “Follow me and be my disciple,” Jesus said to him. So Matthew got up and followed him.

    10 Later, Matthew invited Jesus and his disciples to his home as dinner guests, along with many tax collectors and other disreputable sinners. 11 But when the Pharisees saw this, they asked his disciples, “Why does your teacher eat with such scum?”

    12 When Jesus heard this, he said, “Healthy people don’t need a doctor—sick people do.” 13 Then he added, “Now go and learn the meaning of this Scripture: ‘I want you to show mercy, not offer sacrifices.’ For I have come to call not those who ‘think’ they are righteous, but those who ‘know’ they are sinners.”

  196. poohpity says:

    I do know this much, if I am truly concerned about the salvation of someone I love or even know for that matter then I will share about who Jesus actually is and how far He went to have a relationship with them, in other words share the Good News. Romans 10:14-15 NLT So we can tell others how much we care over and over about the salvation of someone but to never do anything about it, it is then just words without meaning.

  197. Beloved says:

    Forever like the ant in the poem I posted I too believe there are no coincidences, but that in God’s sovereignty the things that we read, see or hear are all part of Gods will and plan for me, as His child. Growing up in my faith has been a rough road, much rougher than I expected it to be.

    I’ve been reading about Christian maturity and it seems, as Steve mentioned, to be able to discern good from evil, and to stay far away so we are not tempted by gullibility to become stupid, revengeful, evil, hateful and unloving. Takes wisdom, Gods wisdom, often common sense will do too but the true gentleness required can only come from an understanding of the cross, and the behavior Christ showed under the hellish circumstances perpetrated by his creation, lost and mocking Him. BUT, orchestrated by God!!! Oh, He’s so good!

  198. bullwinkle says:

    I rarely comment on this blog, but read almost every morning. The snafu that has caused me to login in order to read the latest comments prompted me to chime in.
    Came across this while reading the ODB devotional:
    41
    May your unfailing love come to me, Lord,
    your salvation, according to your promise;
    42
    then I can answer anyone who taunts me,
    for I trust in your word.
    Hopefully we can all feel God’s peace and answer in a manner that glorifies Jesus while addressing perceived difference. Frankly, I see everyone saying basically the same thing, simply coming at it from a different perspective.

  199. bullwinkle says:

    I rarely comment on this blog, but read almost every morning. The snafu that has caused me to login in order to read the latest comments prompted me to chime in.
    Came across this while reading the ODB devotional:
    41
    May your unfailing love come to me, Lord,
    your salvation, according to your promise;
    42
    then I can answer anyone who taunts me,
    for I trust in your word.
    Hopefully we can all feel God’s peace and answer in a manner that glorifies Jesus while addressing perceived differences. Frankly, I see everyone saying basically the same thing, simply coming at it from a different perspective.

  200. Beloved says:

    Thank you, bullwinkle.

  201. Beloved says:

    The LORD have me this when I woke up this morning. Philippians is about JOY in serving Jesus and one another, even in the midst of problems similar to today. From biblereference.com

    Context Summary
    Philippians 4:2–9 is Paul’s appeal to the Philippian Christians regarding how they handle disagreements within the church. Paul is particularly concerned with an argument between two women, Euodia and Syntyche. Paul’s advice is to focus on our ability to rejoice in our fellowship with Christ. The result of that emphasis ought to be an attitude of ”reasonableness,” seen by all people. With a proper focus on positive things, we can experience peace through the power of God.

  202. SFDBWV says:

    Regardless of how much we work at projecting peace, peace cannot come from one side alone.

    If the differences between two people are grounded in how they perceive their faith, the two can place their differences aside for the “work” of Christ, but the differences remain, unsettled and perhaps even unforgiven.

    We are all stubborn, especially whereas our faith is concerned, or else we would be like the reed that blows in the wind bowing to every way the winds of public opinion blows.

    Sadly sin blinds us to our own sin as long as we close off listening to the Holy Spirit convicting of us it.

    All throughout the New Testament Paul explains non-Christian like behavior, that doesn’t make him arrogant or judgmental he is simply explaining the difference between being Christ-like and being like the world.

    He (Paul) even urges us to gently show a brother or sister the err of their behavior in hope of putting them back on course. Unless though such person is open to receiving help in the form of advice, such advice will only be seen as criticism and rejected outright.

    It takes two to tango, and both parties to make “peace”.

    I see in the news this morning that Syria and Iran have been waging a secret war against Israel. Iran has been shooting missiles into Israel and Israel intercepting them. I suppose such news hasn’t been as important as our (USA) government shutdown.

    Looking up as the Rapture nears.

    Steve

  203. Beloved says:

    Hopefully we can all feel God’s peace and answer in a manner that glorifies Jesus while addressing perceived differences.

    This breaks my heart. All I have ever wanted to do is to glorify Jesus. I fall far short. Perhaps He will give me more time to develop into the follower He wants me to be. I’ve always been a slow learner. Even so, come LORD Jesus, for only then will I be perfect.

  204. Beloved says:

    Dear Pooh, please forgive me, once again, for hurting you. I cannot promise I will not do it again, but I’m trying. But in the mean time, we can go to the mercy seat and find peace.
    Isaiah 1:18;
    Jeremiah 10:23; Romans 15:19; Romans 15:13; Psalm 17:7;
    Lyrics:
    White as snow, white as snow, thought my sins were as scarlet,
    Lord I know, Lord I know, that I’m clean and forgiven.
    Through the power of Your blood, through the wonder of Your love,
    through faith in you I know that I can be
    white as snow.

  205. Beloved says:

    Pooh and all, I’ve decided to leave this blog altogether. Waiting to see what God has for me this next phase of my life! I will not be reading. Blessings, Joyce

  206. street says:

    well i am back. i guess i have to log in to read new comments. i liked the old way of clicking on new comments and going to them direct. well seems like nothing has changed except for the moose making their presents known. reading into comments is as difficult as working through one of marts post. like looking at an ink spot and being asked, “what do you see?” it’s more rewarding to seek the Son Of God. we know where He is. i was advised to store my heart there. doesn’t hurt to look for His Glory here either. is all and in all. dang! thinking about job realizing there is nothing He can not do. even redeeming sinners. even while i was a sinner Christ died for me. the children of promise and children faith, the righteous ones. the Word of God the Power of God unto Salvation for all that believe. dear children guard your heart from idols.

  207. poohpity says:

    bullwinkle, I totally disagree with what you said in your statement, “Frankly, I see everyone saying basically the same thing, simply coming at it from a different perspective.” Human perspective’s color and shade understanding by putting their emotions and thoughts in the mix which detract, so people can not possibly say the same things from different perspectives. If we did have the same perspectives coming from God’s point of view then maybe we would be the same but not from our own. Anyway it is very nice to hear from you again, it has been a very long time.

  208. poohpity says:

    However there is one thing that most on here agree with and that is what a horrible person I am, that perspective and judgement alone brings them together in unity but that unity is probably devoid of peace in any way.

  209. poohpity says:

    I would faint if one person who actually knows God would agree with me when I share His word but that is unlikely. But I even agree with them when I reply to the taunts and accusations in my own defense because it does not display the trust in God that I say I have which is hypocrisy.

  210. foreverblessed says:

    Dear Pooh, how horrible that you have thoughts like that.
    I dearly love you!
    The judgements you made on me I very much dislike.
    But thanks to the grace of God, I can see through that.
    That is: the Grace of God!
    He filled my heart with His love, for myself, and also for you!
    You are a dearly loved child of God!

    I am really sad, that Beloved is leaving. But I understand it though!

    When clicking on the comments, the no 173 appears:

    “With love and strength for each new day
    He will make a way, He will make a way”

    And that is the truth!
    Jesus is the truth!

    Today at church 1 John 3:1-11
    Jesus came that He would break the works of the devil!
    How much words are distorted, by a wind of lies! It happens here a lot!
    After that terrific testimony, about a very hardened man, the father of Beloved, Jesus had made a way to his heart! Just 6 weeks before his death!
    Oh, how wonderful that is!
    How much encouragement that gave me to trust, to hope!
    1 Cor 13:7
    To keep on praying!

    Instead that we see through everything that goes wrong: the Spirit of Christ, who cleanses all

    Jesus says:
    Look to the other and see the new man, in the Spirit.
    1 Cor 5:16-17
    The old man is fading and almost gone, see the new man growing!
    Look also to yourself, when sin overpowered you: I missed today, but Jesus, you are my Saviour! Forgive me,
    1 John 2:1-2
    1 Cor 5:19-21

    Like Lazarus, he was raised to life, but still had the death cloths on. See through these cloths. See the new man inside!

    Our pastor went on to say:
    You might feel discouraged when you read 1 John 3:9
    Because we all still sin.

    Then he went to 1 John 3:6
    Everyone who abides in Him!
    Whatever, how much you have failed, or how much the other has failed you:
    Abide IN HIM, Jesus.

    Thank you, Bullwinkle, yes everybody overhere is saying the same thing:
    Be IN Christ!

  211. SFDBWV says:

    I offer again a quote from Florence Nightingale, “Patient care should always be the key objective for any healthcare provider. As simple as that.”

    When I stumbled upon this quote I put it where I can see it now and again as a reminder that taking care of my son Matthew is all about him, not me.

    Sin is seen by our Lord as a sickness of the soul, of the inner man.

    Jesus, the healer came to bring healing between God and man. He is the medicine, the cure.

    Most all of us can easily see when a person is sick, they look sick. A sick soul though is hidden by the body and whereas might look healthy it is in need of the healing touch of Jesus of Nazareth the Lord.

    It is recognized by behavior. By the way we talk, the habits we exhibit, and especially in the way we treat others.

    We are given discernment by way of the Holy Spirit so we are both alerted to and protected by when we perceive a sick soul in need of healing.

    Physical disease can be infectious and so can spiritual sickness infect those around it.

    We wear the armor of God when confronting it, but sometimes the best defense is just not being exposed to it.

    Paul tells the church to excommunicate such people from among other members and to pray for their healing.

    We each have to decide which is best for our spiritual health when dealing with a wayward sick spirit.

    Joyce’s departure seems like a defeat for her and a victory for the offender, but it is not. She needs time to rejuvenate her own peace and recuperate from her battle.

    I pray for her success and pray for her needs to be met.

    The Lord told me clearly quite some time ago, well before coming to this web site to “Stand fast”, and so I shall.

    I do enjoy the opportunity for fellowship found here, as well as the opportunity to share Christ from a life experience that continues to grow in awe of Him.

    Steve

  212. street says:

    4
    For You have been a defense for the helpless,
    A defense for the needy in his distress,
    A refuge from the storm, a shade from the heat;
    For the breath of the ruthless
    Is like a rain storm against a wall.
    5
    Like heat in drought, You subdue the uproar of aliens;
    Like heat by the shadow of a cloud, the song of the ruthless is silenced.

  213. street says:

    36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know for certain that God has made Him both Lord and Christ—this Jesus whom you crucified.”

    37 Now when they heard this, they were pierced to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Brethren, what shall we do?”

  214. street says:

    6 Yet we do speak wisdom among those who are mature; a wisdom, however, not of this age nor of the rulers of this age, who are passing away; 7 but we speak God’s wisdom in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God predestined before the ages to our glory; 8 the wisdom which none of the rulers of this age has understood; for if they had understood it they would not have crucified the Lord of glory;

  215. street says:

    9 And when I was present with you, and in need, I was a burden to no one, for what I lacked the brethren who came from Macedonia supplied. And in everything I kept myself from being burdensome to you, and so I will keep myself. 10 As the truth of Christ is in me, no one shall stop me from this boasting in the regions of Achaia. 11 Why? Because I do not love you? God knows!

    12 But what I do, I will also continue to do, that I may cut off the opportunity from those who desire an opportunity to be regarded just as we are in the things of which they boast.

  216. street says:

    42 And they continued steadfastly in the apostles’ doctrine and fellowship, in the breaking of bread, and in prayers. 43 Then fear came upon every soul, and many wonders and signs were done through the apostles. 44 Now all who believed were together, and had all things in common, 45 and sold their possessions and goods, and divided them among all, as anyone had need.

    46 So continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, they ate their food with gladness and simplicity of heart, 47 praising God and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily those who were being saved.

  217. street says:

    they ate their food with gladness and simplicity of heart,

    what is it?

    bread from heaven

    John 21:7
    Therefore that disciple whom Jesus loved said to Peter, “It is the Lord!”

  218. foreverblessed says:

    the disciple whom Jesus loved,

    Now and always, as in that morning twilight on the Galilean lake, Christ comes to men. Everywhere He is present, everywhere revealing Himself. Now, as then, our eyes are ‘holden’ by our own fault, so that we recognise not the merciful Presence which is all around us. Now, as then, it is they who are nearest to Christ by love who see Him first. Now, as then, they who are nearest to Him by love, are so because He loves them, and because they know and believe the love which He has to them. I find, then, in this part of the story three thoughts,-First, they only see aright who see Christ in everything. Secondly, they only see Christ who love Him. Lastly, they only love Him who know that He loves them,…

    McLarzen’s exposition
    John 21:7

  219. jeff1 says:

    1 Love divine, all loves excelling,
    joy of heav’n, to earth come down,
    fix in us Thy humble dwelling;
    all Thy faithful mercies crown.
    Jesus, Thou art all compassion;
    pure, unbounded love Thou art;
    visit us with Thy salvation;
    enter ev’ry trembling heart.

    2 Breathe, O breathe Thy loving Spirit
    into ev’ry troubled breast!
    Let us all in Thee inherit;
    let us find the promised rest.
    Take away the love of sinning;
    Alpha and Omega be;
    end of faith, as its beginning,
    set our hearts at liberty.

    3 Come, Almighty, to deliver;
    let us all Thy life receive;
    suddenly return and never,
    nevermore Thy temples leave.
    Thee we would be always blessing,
    serve Thee as Thy hosts above,
    pray and praise Thee without ceasing,
    glory in Thy perfect love.

    4 Finish then Thy new creation;
    pure and spotless let us be.
    Let us see Thy great salvation
    perfectly restored in Thee.
    Changed from glory into glory,
    till in heav’n we take our place,
    till we cast our crowns before Thee,
    lost in wonder, love, and praise.

  220. poohpity says:

    Trust in the Lord with all your heart; do not depend on your own understanding(perspective).

    Seek his will in all you do, and he will show you which path to take.

    Don’t be impressed with your own wisdom. Instead, fear the Lord and turn away from evil.

    Then you will have healing for your body and strength for your bones.

  221. foreverblessed says:

    The sermon Alexander gives on just this line:
    It is the Lord,
    John 21:7
    It really impressed me.
    McLaren’s exposition of the bible, it is on biblehub commentary.

    He that sees Jesus in everything, and then he gives a description that is a hallelujah to Jesus, who is Alpha and Omege, the Originator of everything, without Him nothing is that is. He is the Word, through which all came into existance.
    See the wonderful world, how full of His glory it is.

    Let me just give it here:

    I. First then, they only see aright who see Christ in everything.

    This word of John’s, ‘It is the Lord!’-ought to be the conviction with the light of which we go out to the examination of all events, and to the consideration of all the circumstances of our daily life. We believe that unto Christ is given ‘all power in heaven and upon earth.’ We believe that to Him belongs creative power-that ‘without Him was not anything made which was made.’ We believe that from Him came all life at first. In Him life was, as in its deep source. He is the Fountain of life. We believe that as no being comes into existence without His creative power, so none continues to exist without His sustaining energy. We believe that He allots to all men their natural characters and their circumstances. We believe that the history of the world is but the history of His influence, and that the centre of the whole universe is the cross of Calvary. In the light of such convictions, I take it, every man that calls himself a Christian ought to go out to meet life and to study all events. Let me try, then, to put before you, very briefly, one or two of the provinces in which we are to take this conviction as the keynote to all our knowledge.

    No man will understand the world aright, to begin with, who cannot say about all creation, ‘It is the Lord!’ Nature is but the veil of the invisible and ascended Lord: and if we would pierce to the deepest foundations of all being, we cannot stop until we get down to the living power of Christ our Saviour and the Creator of the world, by whom all things were made, and whose will pouring out into this great universe, is the sustaining principle and the true force which keeps it from nothingness and from quick decay.

    Why, what did Christ work all His miracles upon earth for? Not solely to give us a testimony that the Father had sent Him; not solely to make us listen to His words as a Teacher sent from God; not solely as proof of His Messiahship,-but besides all these purposes there was surely this other, that for once He would unveil to us the true Author of all things, and the true Foundation of all being. Christ’s miracles interrupted the order of the world, because they made visible to men for once the true and constant Orderer of the order. They interrupted the order in so far as they struck out the intervening links by which the creative and sustaining word of God acts in nature, and suspended each event directly from the firm staple of His will. They revealed the eternal Orderer of that order in that they showed the Incarnate Word wielding the forces of nature, which He has done from of old and still does. We are then to take all these signs and wonders that He wrought, as a perennial revelation of the real state of things with regard to this natural world, and to see in them all, signs and tokens that into every corner and far-off region of the universe His loving hand reaches, and His sustaining power goes forth. Into what province of nature did He not go? He claimed to be the Lord of life by the side of the boy’s bier at the gate of Nain, in the chamber of the daughter of Jairus, by the grave of Lazarus. He asserted for Himself authority over all the powers and functions of our bodily life, when He gave eyes to the blind, hearing to the deaf, feet to the lame. He showed that He was Lord over the fowl of the air, the beasts of the earth, the fish of the sea. And He asserted His dominion over inanimate nature, when the fig-tree, cursed by Him, withered away to its roots, and the winds and waves sunk into silence at His gentle voice. He let us get a glimpse into the dark regions of His rule over the unseen, when ‘with authority He commanded the unclean spirits, and they came out.’ And all these things He did, in order that we, walking in this fair world, encompassed by the glories of this wonderful universe, should be delivered from the temptation of thinking that it is separated from Him, or independent of His creative and sustaining power; and in order that we should feel that the continuance of all which surrounds us, the glories of heaven and the loveliness of earth, are as truly owing to the constant intervention of His present will, and the interposition beneath them of His sustaining hand, as when first, by the ‘Word of God’ who ‘was with God and who was God,’ speaking forth His fiat, there came light and beauty out of darkness and chaos.

  222. poohpity says:

    forever, are you being gullible? How many times in the past has Joyce said she was leaving or was not going to comment any more? To many for me I stopped counting. So rather than stopping with throwing stones of false accusation, assumptions, name calling and jumping to conclusions she says she will leave to get a response. How many times does anyone love her enough to say anything about the injustice she shows rather than commending her on things that are just wrong. No one seems to have a problem with telling me when they “think” I am wrong. Attacking other people with snide comments and derogatory comments is wrong as is positively affirming such behavior.

    forever, also I have disagreed with you but never put you down personally in the middle of those disagreements. I have never claimed to have it all together or to be perfect but I also do not demand that others be perfect either because I know that is utterly impossible for anyone to achieve. Only those who do not “think” they have faults, failures or shortcomings of their own point their fingers at others. Isaiah 58:9-10 NLT

  223. foreverblessed says:

    You could say,
    If you look at creation, and see only Glory,
    what about all that has gone wrong, is Alexander gullible, does he not want to see all the wrong?

    I have a neighbour, an old man, and he is just mad at God, for all the suffering, especially little children that suffer. How can there be a God if with all the suffering in the world?

    How can you sing glory to God?

    And yet, Jesus has made a way,
    THe greatest act of history is that He came down, God made man, the incarnation, to grow up knowing his end on earth would be on the Cross, having lived in heaven, and now on this valley of humiliation, the world that we made because we thought we could do it without God. A world without God.

    Look what we made of it.

    But Jesus came in this misery, became part of it. And He took up all our sins, and infirmities, and depression, doubt, anger, He was bearing them on the Cross, and there He died.

    He was made alive, THe Risen Lord,
    And we as a unity of believers can show the power of the risen Lord in our lives:
    Despite the setbacks, the lies, the accusation, we are at peace, because He gives us the Spirit. We live in His Spirit.
    Even more so, we love our enemies, because He gives His love to us, and we give our irritation to Him.
    It is all about Grace, He gives a way, where we see, humanly speaking, no way.

  224. poohpity says:

    You could point your fingers at me because I do not feed the hungry, or give clothes to the naked, or open my home to those who have no home, or give money to the poor, or give rides to those who have no car, or stand up for the oppressed, or do not spread the gospel, or share God’s word to those who have never heard it before which has lead many to asking Christ into their lives but your finger would shrivel because I do do those things I just do not brag about them because it is the Lord that guides my path. But everyone knows me so well yet they have no idea how I serve the Lord in my everyday life because you have this little snap shot of a second in my life and have no idea about the other hours that fill my day.

  225. foreverblessed says:

    Dear Pooh, just bless Beloved, OK?
    Bless her, and mean it with all your heart.
    If you cannot mean it, ask Jesus to fill you with love.
    And if that does not.
    Bless me too!
    With all your heart.
    It really works, going to Jesus!
    Ans asking for love

    It is a command from Jesus:
    Love your enemies.

    And as you see all of us as enemies, that is the only thing left for you to do.

    As you do not see that you judge me, this is the only other thing to do:
    Love me because I am your enemy.

    I have never heard you say to me that you loved me.
    SO give it a try- And mean it with all your heart. It might take some praying, some looking up to Jesus.

    And after that some more prayer, and fasting.

    Why not start just now?

  226. bullwinkle says:

    I must be quite gullible! From my perspective, each person on this blog has made a profession of faith. Each person on this blog claims to love the Lord. Does one person on this blog do it perfectly? NO!
    Yet each person on here is trying to give their perspective of their relationship with Jesus.
    1 Cor:2 1,2
    Each of us has a different background, a different understanding of the world around us. Find a way to express that without tearing one another down.

  227. poohpity says:

    forever, I have never thought of anyone on here as an enemy of any sort or in any way. Nor do I think I should tell others what to do which shows a very controlling nature. I think it would be wise to take care of and pay attention to how I do or don’t do things and trust how everyone else behaves into God’s hands.

    bullwinkle, I could not agree more fully to what you said, “Each of us has a different background, a different understanding of the world around us. Find a way to express that without tearing one another down.” That would be nice.

  228. poohpity says:

    bullwinkle, it sure would be also nice if we could talk about the ideas we have about the subject at hand rather than talking about and giving our opinions about each other. That will happen when hell freezes over.

  229. poohpity says:

    forever, what leads you to think I do not bless Joyce or you? Just because I do not share it on here for others to see as in showing off? How do you know what I do in private? A lot of people do and say things on here to get the praise and respect of people yet in their hearts, the place only God sees, is far anyway from really pleasing God which should be the only person we want to please. Isaiah 29:13 NLT; Matt 15:8 NLT

  230. poohpity says:

    So I would rather go into my private place;

    “And your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites. For they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. Truly I tell you, they already have their reward. But when you pray, go into your inner room, shut your door, and pray to your Father, who is unseen. And your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.…”

  231. street says:

    Psalm 146:8
    the Lord gives sight to the blind, the Lord lifts up those who are bowed down, the Lord loves the righteous.

  232. street says:

    35 The desert and the parched land will be glad;
    the wilderness will rejoice and blossom.
    Like the crocus, 2 it will burst into bloom;
    it will rejoice greatly and shout for joy.
    The glory of Lebanon will be given to it,
    the splendor of Carmel and Sharon;
    they will see the glory of the Lord,
    the splendor of our God.

    3
    Strengthen the feeble hands,
    steady the knees that give way;
    4
    say to those with fearful hearts,
    “Be strong, do not fear;
    your God will come,
    he will come with vengeance;
    with divine retribution
    he will come to save you.”

    5
    Then will the eyes of the blind be opened
    and the ears of the deaf unstopped.
    6
    Then will the lame leap like a deer,
    and the mute tongue shout for joy.
    Water will gush forth in the wilderness
    and streams in the desert.

  233. street says:

    Isaiah 29:18
    In that day the deaf will hear the words of the scroll, and out of gloom and darkness the eyes of the blind will see.

  234. foreverblessed says:

    Dear Pooh,

    This is what you wrote last November:
    “You do not have a discussion with me, you accuse me, jump to conclusions about me and think you know my heart, so in other words you talk at me or about me but not to me. More like a Pharisee than a sister in Christ! So your blessing does not seem heart felt but just another thing to check off a list of things to do in a public forum but it does not cover what is really in your heart. Just for your information God has blessed me more than I can ever fully explain and I pray and hope that He will do that for you as well and that is from a heart touched by God that I do not have to publicly share to look good to others when inside one is filled with animosity.”
    nov 19, 8.26 am

    If that is not judging my heart:
    You frankly say that I my heart is filled with animosity, and that I for a show say to look good for the outside world bless you.

    To repeat your words:
    “So your blessing does not seem heart felt but just another thing to check off a list of things to do in a public forum but it does not cover what is really in your heart.”

    How can you look into my heart, Pooh? Where you there, deep inside my heart?

    Do you know my motives? You say that you do:
    You say that I do it for a show!
    Just like the hypocrites.

  235. street says:

    2 Kings 5:11
    But Naaman went away angry and said, “I thought that he would surely come out to me and stand and call on the name of the Lord his God, wave his hand over the spot and cure me of my leprosy.

  236. street says:

    3
    “Blessed are the poor in spirit,
    for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

    6 Blessed is anyone who does not stumble on account of me.” Jesus.

  237. street says:

    As I waited at the train station for my weekly commute, negative thoughts crowded my mind like commuters lining up to board a train—stress over debt, unkind remarks said to me, helplessness in the face of a recent injustice done to a family member. By the time the train arrived, I was in a terrible mood. Our Daily Bread today

  238. poohpity says:

    Doing things in the public eye is just exactly what Jesus describes in the bible as trying to look religious to those watching to get their praise and shows a heart that is far away from God, if that is what Jesus says I am very gullible to believe Him. Matt 6:4-6 NLT

  239. foreverblessed says:

    And for all, I am really loved by God, I am sure about that.
    I have asked God, what is really deep down in my heart?

    And then God started to ask me questions:
    What is it that you are disturbed about on this blog?
    Then I said: Pooh, judging my heart. MY heart. I was really concerned that is it was my heart.
    Then God asked me:
    Is that really so, that your heart is judged, Is that the problem?
    Then I was looking deeper in my heart, no, it did not the matter what she said about my heart, because it was not true.
    It was more the judging, that concerned me.

    Is it the judging that concerns you, God asked me.
    I even had to look deeper into my heart:

    No, I am concerned about the safety of her soul, a soul that is judging another person’s heart is in danger.
    It is love for Pooh, that really stood out!
    A deep love for Pooh was welling up in my heart.

    This happened last year, 2017, and I have written about this before. at the time.

    This is the story, it is the Gracve of God, that fills my heart.
    You can say what you want about me, if Jesus was not there, if His love did not flow into me, at that time, I would be a hypocrite.
    But that love really did touch my heart.
    A love from above.

    The Grace of Jesus is very very real,
    And the questioning that God did to me, felt like the questions Jesus asked to Peter:
    Peter, do you love Me.

    And Peter had to look into his heart.
    And Jesus asked again, not that Jesus did not know the answer, but that Peter would look deeper into his heart, and the deeper he looked, the deeper he knew the love for Jesus was.

    That is what happened to me, january 2018.

    So I say that I love Pooh, openly, here on this blog. Not for a show, but because I really mean it, because God has searched my heart, and it was there.

    Thanks to God, through Jesus Christ, who is risen from the dead, and now lives in me! Giving me love!

  240. poohpity says:

    So forever take your complaint to God since that is what He teaches and was what I shared. I also used terms like “seems” which denotes, to me, that is what it looks like, to me and I hate to tell you but I am to discern and not be gullible when others say things. Yes that is a judgement and when people say things to me it is just fine to judge for myself whether it is just bull or the real thing.

  241. foreverblessed says:

    Well Pooh, can you say in public that you love me?
    You say in public that I am like a hypocrite.

  242. poohpity says:

    Oh yes without a doubt I do love you very, very much. I also have much respect for you and in the past I did indeed apologize for hurting your feelings which I really meant it. I know how it feels to get my feelings hurt whether someone meant to do it or did it unintentionally but it still hurts.

    I do remember calling myself a hypocrite but when I quoted scripture I was just quoting scripture, so if someone else reads that and applies that to themselves it was not me calling them that. I do not think that there is a person alive who is not hypocritical in some form or another. After all everything we experience is common to mankind.

  243. poohpity says:

    There has never been one person on here that I hold animosity in my heart for them in anyway. Knowing that God forgave me for all the things I have done in my life I sure have no room to talk about anyone else.

  244. poohpity says:

    Not only that but God brings to my memory when I am about to say anything about anyone else, “Don’t you remember when you did so and so and I have forgiven you” That is what makes it so easy to show others grace because of the amount of grace God has shown me. It is when I forget what God has done for me that I point a finger at others and think I am so spirit filled, good and righteous that I feel above others but God always brings me back to remembrance that I am a sinner saved by His love. Until I live this flesh that will always be true, a sinner saved by grace.

  245. street says:

    Does Love Make us Gullible?

    thinking coveting darkness deception ignorance evil make us gullible. the death of a salesman, he died in the rain.

  246. foreverblessed says:

    Thank you Pooh!
    The deepest motive of your heart is:
    LOVE!

  247. bullwinkle says:

    Pooh and forever, I appreciate the manner in which you handled the latest conflict. I see where it could have deteriorated rather quickly, but to understand that we are all brothers and sisters in Christ and that love we have for one another must be based on our relationship with Jesus.
    I had five brothers and sisters growing up. We experienced more than a few family quarrels. We now are scattered all across the US. Next week we are all getting together to celebrate.

  248. jeff1 says:

    Love for God is not always reflected in love for others or at least that is what I find.

    I know Christians whose love for God I would not question but their love of others is not reflected either in their words or actions so I believe there are believers who keep the first commandment but do not keep the second when in reality if you break the second you are not in keeping with the first.

    Doesn’t love have to be gullible to reflect Jesus as I cannot judge another’s motives unless my own is pure.

  249. street says:

    that love “always believes”— or as some translations put it “always trusts” (1Cor 13:7). eternal?

    dear beloved, been thinking about the book Judges and the cycle they went through or even what joseph went through with his brothers. we long for a unity that looks so far away. even when his brothers were living with him in egypt, there was a fear of reprisal after isreal died. we long for peace and unity with others. you could bet the 12 did too. love “always believes” ? love never changes. it is eternal. thinking of ruth saying, not even death could separate her from naomie. yes circumstance were appalling bad for her and no way was life going to get better, then God. i hope and pray that you make a clean break with peace, a clean break with joy, and clean break with love, that your broken heart would be bond up and your prayers answered. love always believes because love makes a way when there seems to be no way. i hear love is like a cross. conformed to the image of Christ, there is no other love. blessed are the poor for theirs is the Kingdom of Heaven. God exalt your banner beloved.

  250. phpatato says:

    Thinking about Joyce and Mart this evening and tomorrow. Wind chills are making it feel like -63. That is not a typo, you did read minus sixty-three Fahrenheit. For those who see temperatures on the Celsius scale, that is -52.7. Those temperatures are usually only found in the north and south poles. The temperature for me will be -29 C tomorrow night. I will not complain.

    Stay warm Mart and Joyce. I pray God cups you in His warm Hand and that your water pipes don’t burst.

    xo

  251. phpatato says:

    Ok I need to brush up on my geography. I failed to realize that there are 2 Grand Rapids. (huh I knew that too.) Mart is in the Grand Rapids where wind chill temperatures are forecast to be -27 F (-32 C). I know just how cold that is.

    Stay warm Mart. It is still bitterly cold!

    xo

  252. bubbles says:

    Heat is cranked up here, cabinets under sinks open so pipes can have warmth to avoid frozen pipes. Goodness, up north… with water running, it woild appear pipes would still freeze. Sleeping on the couch where is it extra warm tonight. I pray all here are safe and electricity stays on.

  253. foreverblessed says:

    Wow, that cold!!!

    May God be without you through it all!

    Bullwinkel, I will pray for your family!
    That they all may see Jesus!
    Only in Jesus we are safe, only in Him can we be One.

    In the mean time do we need a lot of patience, from above!
    The patience that is the fruit of the Spirit.

    Jeff writes:
    “Doesn’t love have to be gullible to reflect Jesus as I cannot judge another’s motives unless my own is pure.”

    That’s it!

    Everytime when I log in, I see the song Jeff gave:
    He Will make a way

    As Bulwinkel says: Love is the only way, love from Jesus.

    Otherwise it gets cold, very cold!

  254. foreverblessed says:

    “With love and strength for each new day
    He will make a way, He will make a way”

    Street that brought tears to my eyes!

    Pooh, you have said a year ago that you were sorry to have hurt my feelings.
    You have not apoligized for judging what is inside my heart yet.

    Neither have you apologized of saying that I am a false teacher, nor that I may not have the Holy Spirit. Nor that I am talking down on you.

    You have done a lot of talking about me.
    While you wrote yesterday:

    …” Knowing that God forgave me for all the things I have done in my life I sure have no room to talk about anyone else.”

    …”It is when I forget what God has done for me that I point a finger at others and think I am so spirit filled, good and righteous that I feel above others but God always brings me back to remembrance that I am a sinner saved by His love.”

    remember this verse in the bible:
    1 John 1:9
    “If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unreighteousness. If we claimed we have not sinned, we make Him a liar and His word is not in our lives”

    You are right, I am too a siner, saved by grace. You might say: Why do I have a right to say anything against you?
    Because your judging the inside of my heart is a sin, Pooh!

    You have sinned against me.
    Jesus gave us in Matthew 18:15-19 the instructions what to do.

    I do point this out to you, out of a burning love for you. A deep concern for the sanity of your soul, for as long as you do not repent of this judging of other person’s hearts, you are in danger of judgment yourself.
    And God is not mocked!

  255. jeff1 says:

    Love hurts and I believe God’s love can hurt deeply because I can convince myself I am closer to God than I am.

    Being gullible as meant that I believed what I was told as a child only to find that the truth is much more deep and complex.

    The struggle for me is that I lived in a divided religious country where both religions believed that God was on their side.

    If you were raised in the protestant faith then God was protestant and if you were raised a catholic then God was catholic.

    You may find this hard to believe but in my youth that is how I seen God and you may also find it hard to believe that many have not lost that mentality.

    If I had not had an earthly dad who knew better I may not be any different today as I understand too well how easy it is to deceive yourself.

    Beliefs will not connect me to God and it will take an encounter with God to get me to see that.

    When I have encountered God in my life I will never be the same as I see just how far I am from His ways and that has brought me despair but then I am a manic depressive which means that I do have high’s and low’s and that maintaining stability of the mind is a constant struggle for me.

    I am overwhelmed by my encounter as my mind cannot comprehend that God has touched me and yet in my heart I know it is so.

    Shackled by the heavy burden
    ‘neath a load of guilt and shame.
    Then the hand of Jesus touched me
    He touched me
    and now I am no longer the same.
    For He touched me
    oh, He touched me
    He touched me
    and now all the wonderful joy that floods my soul.
    Something happened and now I know
    He touched me and made me whole.
    Oh since I met this Blessed Savior
    and since He cleansed and made me whole,
    oh I’m with the saints
    with the saints to praise Him,
    and shout it while eternity rolls.
    Oh, He touched me,
    oh, He touched me.
    He touched me.
    And all the joy that floods my soul.
    Something happened and now I know
    He touched me and made me whole.

  256. poohpity says:

    forever, since when is disagreeing with someone or not trusting or believing what they say a SIN? Pointing out the flaws, faults that you see in someone else is not done out of love nor is DEMANDING an apology not only has that been done with me but also from your family as you shared about your brother, that does nothing but put a person on the defense, building a wall and will NOT bring restoration. How many times have YOU apologized for the hurtful things YOU have done, you probably are not even aware of them because it seems being to busy picking out the faults in others, one fails to see their own. Don’t your fingers ever get tired?

    God will not be mocked but then why do you do it by believing that you are the holy Spirit that convicts others of sin, that is not even sin in most instances? I was sure we were taught to admit our own faults, failures and shortcomings to each other so that we remain humble, not to POINT out theirs. It sounds more like Jesus’s description of the Pharisees than His followers.

  257. bullwinkle says:

    Well, I see that human nature has raised it’s ugly head once more. (Give it a rest ladies, neither of you has the ability to see into each others hearts)
    Jeff, I understand why the battle between the Catholics and the Protestants has raged for centuries. Some people can just never let things go. FYI: my great grandfather was exiled from Ireland for being Catholic. My English (decendant) wife and I are not affected by things that transpired in the 1800’s but obviously many still are.

  258. poohpity says:

    Gee bullwinkle I am still waiting to hear your ideas about the subject at hand which not one word has been written in regards to that but how freely you write about your approval or disapproval or opinions about others as if our lives depend on your praise or disappointment.

    Eleanor Roosevelt once wrote, “Small minds discuss people, average minds discuss events and great minds discuss ideas.”

  259. poohpity says:

    So bull your right in there with those of us who are letting our human nature rear it’s ugly head. Glad in joined in, lol. Another example of the pot calling the kettle rusty.

  260. poohpity says:

    I also do not remember me trying to say in anyway that I know the condition or motives of another’s heart. As a matter of FACT I often say I do not have a clue about that in anyway because I know I am not God nor do I want to be. I do know that my motives are often not pure so why would I expect that from anyone else. Forever did say that my motives were based on love and I just let that go because though I wish that were true, it is not, she has no idea what she is talking about often when it comes to me.

  261. foreverblessed says:

    Bullwinkel, that is right, we do not know what is in each others heart.

    But help me out, please!

    Pooh is saying that I am a hypocrite, that I say I love her, while my heart is full of animosity against her.

    is that not called: judging what is in a heart?

    For some reason Pooh does not remember her writing that, but it is there January 28, 11.43
    writen by Pooh on November 19

    I do not demand an apology, I am only saying: be ware that these words will be held against you.

    But now she says she has never said that?

    Then what do I have to believe, her words to me are terrible, horrible even!

    She says that her motive is love, and I believe that deep down that is so.

    But why does she write all these words against me?
    What is going on?
    Give me a clue!

  262. poohpity says:

    Bottom line with all this; “all sin and fall short of the glory of God”. The very bottom line we all have in common; none of us are perfect so we should not say anything about anyone else but be so grateful of the mercy, forgiveness and grace God has shown us even when we are so undeserving. No one deserves what God did for us to be in a relationship with Him. So really who are we to say anything about anyone else but yet when we do then we trample what God says about us all and the very reason Jesus said John 2:24-25 NLT

  263. poohpity says:

    I never said my motive was love forever you said that. Along with all the others things you say I have said that may be what you have read but it is not what I wrote nor the meaning behind it. Good grief how long do you hold on to things and dwell in the past when there are all kinds of things that the future holds.

    It seems odd that when you copy the things I have said in the past you leave out one important part what you said which would be the reason I replied as I did but you do not add that now do you?

  264. poohpity says:

    forever, forgive me for all the ways I have hurt your ego because after all that is what this is all about isn’t it?

  265. jeff1 says:

    Yes, Bullwinkle, being raised in a culture of inherited bigotry has not been an easy one.

    My dad stayed clear of the murky world of politics and listened to God and it reflected in how he seen things around him which was much clearer than his counterparts who in their wisdom decided God was on their side but my dad knew that you choose to be on God’s side or you don’t as the case may be as God doesn’t force anyone into submission.

    My dad’s humility was his greatest strength as he knew he needed God more than God needed him and isn’t that the truth of the Gospel as without Him I can do nothing.

    Without Him I could do nothing
    Without Him I’d surely fail
    Without Him I would be drifting
    Like a ship without a sail

    [Verse 2]
    Without Him I would be dying
    Without Him I’d be enslaved
    Without Him life would be worthless
    But with Jesus thank God I’m saved

    [Verse 3]
    Oh Jesus, oh Jesus
    Do you know Him today
    Please don’t turn Him away
    Oh Jesus, my Jesus
    Without Him how lost I would be
    Without Him how lost I would be

  266. poohpity says:

    PRIDE

  267. jeff1 says:

    Forever, I made comments earlier on the blog of knowing Christians whose love of God is very obvious but I find they do not have the same love for others and their words and actions reflect that.

    They keep the first commandment but not the second when the reality is if you break the second you are not in keeping with the first.

    They don’t see or they don’t want to see that they hurt God and this has been a great struggle for myself and I expect it is a great struggle for many as it leads to despairing of myself and that’t a difficult place to be but its where God wants me because its where He changes me from this creature that I have become.

    Agree with God and let Him have His Way.

  268. foreverblessed says:

    Thank you very very much Jeff!
    That is so right!

    My Father in heaven
    Hallowed be Your Name
    Your Kingdom come
    Your will be done
    on earth as it is in heaven.

    Give us today our daily bread.

    Forgive us our debts,
    as we also have forgiven our debtors.
    And lead us not in tempation,
    but deliver us from the evil one.

  269. foreverblessed says:

    Our Father in heaven

    Ours!

  270. poohpity says:

    Isn’t it also, “lead us not ‘into temptation'” rather than lead us not ‘in tempation’. Big difference in “my” and “our” no admission of oops messed up. It is OK to mess up but not to those who think they never do. It is probably easier to blame auto correct or a language translation problem.

  271. poohpity says:

    forever, you never answered me in how I sinned against you! Please let me know what the sin was so I do not repeat it. Did it have to do with disagreeing with you and not believing or trusting you rather than committing a sin?

  272. SFDBWV says:

    Hoping that Joyce is warm and dry there in Minn. The temperature here continues to drop as I watch the outside temps on my NOAA Nimbus digital thermometer atop my computer. It is 03 with snow and wind swirling around outside.

    I have fed the birds twice and will continue to as this day goes forward.

    I keep reading on the Weather Channel on my computer that this cold snap is the worst in a generation…I wonder where these folks were in the 70’s when Time and Newsweek ask if we were entering a new Ice Age.

    Not born then as yet I am sure.

    Don’t have much to say concerning the current thread of conversation except to remember that Paul tells us the battle is in the spirit realm, not flesh and blood, but a spirit or spirits.

    We confront them with the full Armor of God and the indwelling Spirit of God revealing His fruit in us.

    Steve

  273. jeff1 says:

    Only God can make a ‘silk purse’ out of a ‘sow’s ear’ as only God knows what I/we are made of!

    When I/we get down to the nitty gritty it isn’t pretty but then I/we don’t need to tell God that as He know me/us well enough already so who do I/we think we are kidding other than myself/ourselves.

  274. foreverblessed says:

    This is the sinning of Pooh against me
    nov 19, 8.26 am

    “You do not have a discussion with me, you accuse me, jump to conclusions about me and think you know my heart, so in other words you talk at me or about me but not to me. More like a Pharisee than a sister in Christ! So your blessing does not seem heart felt but just another thing to check off a list of things to do in a public forum but it does not cover what is really in your heart. Just for your information God has blessed me more than I can ever fully explain and I pray and hope that He will do that for you as well and that is from a heart touched by God that I do not have to publicly share to look good to others when inside one is filled with animosity.”

    You say what is really in my heart does not cover what I write,
    So you say that you do know what is really in my heart, namely this:
    …when inside one is filled with animosity

    And that I bless you just to look good for the outside world, just like the pharisees.

  275. street says:

    Eleanor Roosevelt once wrote, “Small minds discuss people, average minds discuss events and great minds discuss ideas.”

    ideas will not save your soul. the devil has many ideas, all contrary to the will of God. even so, the devil has his place in God plan.

    2 Peter 1:20
    Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet’s own interpretation of things.

  276. street says:

    Matthew 7:6
    “Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces.

    Luke 6:42
    How can you say to your brother, ‘Brother, let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when you yourself fail to see the plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

    28 But if someone says to you, “This has been offered in sacrifice,” then do not eat it, both for the sake of the one who told you and for the sake of conscience. 29 I am referring to the other person’s conscience, not yours. For why is my freedom being judged by another’s conscience? 30 If I take part in the meal with thankfulness, why am I denounced because of something I thank God for?

    For this is the reason the gospel was preached even to those who are now dead, so that they might be judged according to human standards in regard to the body, but live according to God in regard to the spirit.

    14 But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised. 15 But he who is spiritual appraises all things, yet he himself is appraised by no one. 16 For who has known the mind of the Lord, that he will instruct Him? But we have the mind of Christ.

  277. street says:

    23
    He it is who reduces rulers to nothing,
    Who makes the judges of the earth meaningless.

    “I will destroy the wisdom of the wise,
    And the cleverness of the clever I will set aside.”

    24
    Scarcely have they been planted,
    Scarcely have they been sown,
    Scarcely has their stock taken root in the earth,
    But He merely blows on them, and they wither,
    And the storm carries them away like stubble.

    24 “Therefore everyone who hears these words of Mine and acts on them, may be compared to a wise man who built his house on the rock. 25 And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and slammed against that house; and yet it did not fall, for it had been founded on the rock.

  278. bubbles says:

    This morning when I was going to work, a man on a bicycle flew down the street perpendicular to the street on which I was driving. My street did not have a stop sign. He rode right in front of my car. The streets were snow and ice covered. I slammed on the brakes and narrowly missed this man. I blew the horn and received an obscene gesture in return. It was 18 degrees with a single digit wind chill. Thankful we did not collide and my car slowed down! It will be -3 in the morning and we are being told to report to work an hour earlier than today. Students stay home and we sit through day long meetings and accomplish nothing that needs to be done.

  279. foreverblessed says:

    ” For I know the plans I have for you,” declares the Lord, “plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future.”

    Jer 29:11

  280. SFDBWV says:

    It is minus 10 with a few more hours before sun up. I personally have see minus 22 and many minus’s in-between over the years.

    My friend George who is 94 remembers back in 1958 seeing a temperature of minus 32 up out of town.

    Back in the winter of 76-77 the city had frozen water lines beneath the streets all over town. because they were old metal lines we used welders to thaw them out.

    I am looking forward to June 1st.

    Steve

  281. poohpity says:

    New Life in Christ
    Eph 4: 31Get rid of all bitterness, rage and anger, outcry and slander, along with every form of malice. 32Be kind and tender-hearted to one another, forgiving each other just as in Christ God forgave you.

    Putting on the New Self
    Col 3: …12Therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, clothe yourselves with compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness, and patience. 13Bear with each other and forgive any complaint you may have against one another. Forgive as the Lord forgave you. 14And over all these virtues put on love, which is the bond of perfect unity.…

  282. bullwinkle says:

    It is clear to me why I did not comment all of those years.
    I thought the topic was, does love make us gullible, when I asked two people to overlook the flaws of another and respond in love, I obviously was being gullible.
    It has been long overdue that people on this blog bury the axe, but it appears that the axe will be buried in the heart of anyone who dares ask for civility.

  283. jeff1 says:

    It’s God’s call to make Saints and save Sinners and when I focus on this truth then I see my need of Him is greater than His need of me.

    ‘I’ need to focus on Christ to put on the ‘New Self’ as no one else can do that for me.

    I cannot get rid of the old without allowing Jesus to reside in my heart and He will not force me as He requires submission to His will because all Jesus asks of me is a humble thankful heart and why my head questions cannot be answered because it is not God’s intention that they will be.

    We plough the fields, and scatter the good seed on the land;
    But it is fed and watered by God’s almighty hand:
    He sends the snow in winter, the warmth to swell the grain,
    The breezes and the sunshine, and soft refreshing rain.

    Chorus
    All good gifts around us
    Are sent from heaven above,
    Then thank the Lord, O thank the Lord
    For all His love.

    He only is the maker of all things near and far;
    He paints the wayside flower, He lights the evening star;
    The winds and waves obey Him, by Him the birds are fed;
    Much more to us, His children, He gives our daily bread.

    Chorus
    We thank Thee, then, O Father, for all things bright and good,
    The seed time and the harvest, our life, our health, and food;
    No gifts have we to offer, for all Thy love imparts,
    But that which Thou desirest, our humble, thankful hearts

  284. foreverblessed says:

    Dear Bullwinkel, there is no axe buried in anybody who asks for civility. The judgment that was made about my heart is way beyond civility. (And in fact, in all those years, not only about my heart.)
    And it may be addressed. Sin is a sin.

    When a person does not see what they are doing, and there is no higher authority to step in, and say:
    “Hey, this is not appropriate on a christian blog!”

    Then there is only one thing to do:
    Pray:
    Father forgive Pooh, for she does not know what she is doing.

    And then move on.
    Leaving all in God’s hands.

    After all, I believe that God is in control, and that He knows the way, He makes a way.

    So be at peace.
    No hard feelings.

    I still pray for your family reunion though. And pray that the peace of Christ will be there.

  285. cbrown says:

    Good morning all!And I pray Joyce.Last night the sermon was about how God uses all Kinds of trials to purify us to become Holy as HE IS HOLY.
    “Testing Your Faith

    1 [a]James, a bond-servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ
    2 Consider it all joy, my brethren, when you encounter various [c]trials, 3 knowing that the testing of your faith produces [d]endurance. 4 And let [e]endurance have its perfect [f]result, so that you may be [g]perfect and complete, lacking in nothing.” Love To All.

  286. poohpity says:

    If Jesus said He does not trust the hearts of mankind then I am gullible enough to believe what He says. As Mart posed just because we love other people that does not mean we have to believe and trust everything they say in fact the opposite is true. Paul taught us to test what people say, I guess because being a human being he was able to admit to how deceiving the human heart can be and I also know the same not because of anyone else but that is how my heart is and that is a common problem to all mankind, per Jesus, for those that can admit it anyway. Mankind’s motives are not always pure or what they ‘say’ they are, there are often hidden motives because of the experiences one has lead in their lives.

    Some people are very controlling so therefore their motives or hearts are bent on controlling others. Some people have a background of hate so that touches their hearts in relationships with almost everyone. Some people have self pity in their hearts so they react even to the simplistic of conversations in adverse ways. Anyway there are all kinds of things that effect our responses to others but if we constantly look at what others do and not what we do ourselves then more often than not we see in others what we ourselves are guilty of. Romans 2:1 NIV

  287. jeff1 says:

    I don’t try to second guess what is in peoples hearts but rather take them as they are and work from there.

    I am honest with people and I do not expect other to agree with me as this is a diverse world with many different denominations of Christians and we are not going to agree or their would never be the division in the first place.

    I would rather be gullible than hold grudges which is how my country got into the mess it is in.

    I cannot change peoples hearts so why go there when it is my own heart that needs to change to keep right with God and I find that is a struggle in itself and so I am more than glad that it is God’s realm to examine hearts and do as He sees fit.

  288. street says:

    39 Then Isaac his father answered and said to him,

    “Behold, away from the fertility of the earth shall be your dwelling,
    And away from the dew of heaven from above.
    40
    “By your sword you shall live,
    And your brother you shall serve;
    But it shall come about when you become restless,
    That you will break his yoke from your neck.”

    Matthew 11:28-30
    “Come to Me, all who are weary and heavy-laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.”

  289. poohpity says:

    Yes Viv, so then do we believe what God says about the hearts of humanity and still love them like He does? I would say YES but that does not mean we have to trust and believe what anyone says we have to guard our hearts and trust what God says or we can believe human beings and deny what God says who knows what He is talking about. I will be gullible with what God says because I trust and believe in Him and continue to live that my trust in humans has to be earned because I have learned that is the wisest way to go, always.

  290. jeff1 says:

    I find that most Christians do not trust or believe each other otherwise there wouldn’t be so many denominations in the world.

    Being raised in a small community I believed it was just Protestant and Catholics were divided but Northern Ireland has a manoply in setting up churches when they don’t agree with each other hence why we have Presbyterian, free Presbyterian and so on and so forth.

    If you don’t agree with me then set up your own church is too much the mentality of the day and where does putting God first come into that thinking.

    God knows best but you will always get those who believe they know better and that isn’t restricted to the worldly which is what makes Christianity so very difficult to practise in today’s world.

  291. poohpity says:

    Viv, you got it so right when you said, “practice” Christianity and thank God that when we mess up we have someone who will pick us up, dust us off and set us on our feet again. Wouldn’t it be nice if we could only do that for each other rather than expecting perfection, then kicking them when they are down?

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