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Does Love Make us Gullible?

From time to time I’ve wondered what the Apostle Paul was thinking when he wrote that love “always believes”— or as some translations put it “always trusts” (1Cor 13:7). Could he possibly be urging the kind of love that believes whatever anyone tells or promises us?

Over the years I’ve tried to take his words at face value– as far as I could.  It’s made sense to me that, as a general rule, treating others the way we want to be treated means giving one another the benefit of the doubt whenever possible.

But then I read that because of the miracles Jesus was doing at Passover, many began to trust in him. But he didn’t trust them… (John 2:23-25).

And, unless I’m missing something, did Paul actually say that love always trusts or believes— other people? Or did he leave us room for a Jesus-like kindness, patience and…. that…trusts and hopes— in God?


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  1. jeff1 says:

    I don’t think trust and love are the same and it was trust that made me gullible and not love.

    Love makes me sacrifice and so it is much deeper than trust, and, yes, Paul is right, to my way of thinking because its what this world is lacking.

    I cannot protray Jesus’s sacrificial love without being willing to trust others unconditionally otherwise they will see me for what I am and not as Jesus is.

    Faith, Hope and Love and the greatest is Love because it portrays the Risen Christ.

    Brothers In Arms

    These mist covered mountains
    Are a home now for me
    But my home is the lowlands

    And always will be
    Some day you’ll return to
    Your valleys and your farms

    And you’ll no longer burn
    To be brothers in arms
    Through these fields of destruction
    Baptisms of fire

    I’ve witnessed your suffering
    As the battles raged higher
    And though they hurt me so bad
    In the fear and alarm

    You did not desert me
    My brothers in arms
    There’s so many different worlds

    So many different suns
    And we have just one world
    But we live in different ones
    Now the sun’s gone to hell

    And the moon’s riding high
    Let me bid you farewell
    Every man has to die
    But it’s written in the starlight
    And every line in your palm
    We’re fools to make war
    On our brothers in arms

    These mist covered mountains
    Are a home now for me
    But my home is the lowlands

    And always will be
    Some day you’ll return to
    Your valleys and your farms

    And you’ll no longer burn
    To be brothers in arms
    Through these fields of destruction
    Baptisms of fire

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    I’ve witnessed your suffering
    As the battles raged higher
    And though they hurt me so bad
    In the fear and alarm

    You did not desert me
    My brothers in arms
    There’s so many different worlds

    So many different suns
    And we have just one world
    But we live in different ones
    Now the sun’s gone to hell

    And the moon’s riding high
    Let me bid you farewell
    Every man has to die
    But it’s written in the starlight
    And every line in your palm
    We’re fools to make war
    On our brothers in arm

  2. poohpity says:

    Does love make us gullible? No, but trusting someone does when they have done nothing to earn that trust. If one believes that love is that fuzzy warm feeling that one gets towards another then it is hard to love anyone that does not emote those feelings but love as described in the bible is seeking the highest good for the one loved, it is an action not a feeling.

    With that definition in mind then I can love those I do not trust. I can show kindness, compassion and do good even to my so called enemies just as the Lord did for us when we were His enemies, He did what was in our best interest even knowing our hearts and our bent towards evil as John shared in John 2:24-25 NLT.

    Many believed or trusted Jesus to be who He said He was John 2:23 NLT but it seems it still took time to turn their lives and will over to Him especially when they perceived Him to be something and do things other than what He actually come for. They thought He was the kind of King or Messiah that would free them from the captivity of Rome but He came to free them from themselves and their bent towards evil to be more focused on doing good(loving others). Treating others the way one wants to be treated not the way they treat us. To go high even when others take us to a low.

  3. poohpity says:

    So Jesus was not gullible even though He loved us. But we are gullible when trust those who do not deserve that privilege. God earned our trust by all that He did and does to restore us unto Himself. That safe hiding place when everything and everyone around us only cares about me first.

  4. bubbles says:

    Being told, “I don’t believe you,” hurts when you are telling the truth. We are to be gentle as doves and wise as serpents. Unfortunately, there are those who will take advantage of others when they sense they are gullible and especially young.

    I suppose the only way to learn not to be gullible in the negative sense is to have life experience and to be hurt occasionally and learn how some will sense and see that weakness. We can SHOW people like this love and not be taken advantage of.

  5. SFDBWV says:

    Friday morning when I went to start my truck I found it wouldn’t turn over. After putting my charger on it still it wouldn’t turn over. So after doing all the right things and nothing working, I got a new battery and put it in.

    Still it wouldn’t turn over.

    Frustrated and stressed I still had all of those the things that Matt needed done, so after getting him settled in later that afternoon and after much thought and prayer I went back up and just like that the truck started.

    Hallelujah….I plowed off my road.

    This morning after 5 inches of fresh snow I went up the truck started fine, but the plow didn’t…

    I was able to plow anyway I just couldn’t lift or angle the plow as I scraped off the road.

    So patiently I came in around 4am got Matt up at 4:20, got his breakfast and settled in and after much prayer I just settled in to resting as there isn’t much I can do pre-dawn on Sunday morning to get things fixed.

    The fellow that plows the rest of town came to the house to tell me he is hung up in a ditch and needs pulled out…

    I sent him to someone else as I can’t do anything at this time nor with the plow unable to lift in order to get him out of the ditch.

    I have shared all of this with you all so that perhaps you can see the difference between having trust and either getting the results of or not of trusting in things or people.

    Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

    Trusting something or someone is having faith in them that is as far as it can go from your effort. The results of that trust or faith are not up to you.

    1 Corinthians 13 1-13 KJV defines love from your heart, with no guarantees that such love is returned from those you give love to.

    If you believe that others will always return the same love or worthy of the trust you give them then yes you may be seen as gullible, but if your love remains under the definition as explained it won’t matter if they don’t reciprocate or if they let you down, you will always hope for the best.

    Longsuffering means that you wait for as long as it takes.

    How many prayers go unanswered before you give up and no longer believe they will be?

    Do you trust God or not?

    When it comes to people, be as wise as serpents and harmless as doves.

    When it comes to God hope and trust are never wasted.

    Steve

  6. SFDBWV says:

    Good morning Bubbles, looked like we were thinking along the same lines in our mutual quote of Scripture (Serpents and doves). I wrote my comments in between Matt’s morning battle and so posted after you had.

    He has now had his second mug of cocoa as his first attempt failed and he will try again at 10:10.

    Our battles here, as you Bubbles know, never end, but still we persevere and remain hopeful.

    Prayers here for all of your battles as well as our own.

    Steve

  7. Beloved says:

    Wonderful thoughts to start the week, Mart. What comes to mind is the scripture that says to be kindly affectionate toward all. How can one do that unless they have the love of God within and are trusting Him for the outcome, no matter how swift the battle? Hard heads seem to prevail sometimes but God is generous in love, mercy, kindness and patience. I want more of Him.

  8. SFDBWV says:

    Especially for you Bubbles, Matt’s second attempt failed as well, so it is a day of disappointment and anguish once again for him.

    I trust that tomorrow will be a better day.

    Steve

  9. street says:

    Does Love Make us Gullible?
    self-centeredness makes one gullible
    deception has the same effect, if it were not for the patients and faithful love of God we would have become like sodom and gomorrah.

    Jesus, the true light of the world, walk in the light while you have it. night will come when no one can work.

    thinking about a time when it is so bad that not even job daniel or noah could save even one member of their families, only them selves. it is definitely a time of rejoicing and fruitful labor in Christ.

  10. street says:

    trusts and hopes— in God?

    faith and waiting- in God/Jesus.

    today the sermon was in Acts about God promising that the 12 would be His witness, even though one was missing. in the promise they were told to wait! till power had come. they waited 10 days if you follow the story. they were never told how long to wait. we are also told in the waiting they were praying. individually and as a group. i thinking wait and hoping are the same word to me. thinking we even wait for things we don’t want to happen. waiting for things we do want to happen is disquieting. thinking further down the road. if we wait for the promises of God, a sure thing, waiting should bring peace. thinking about waiting next to the red sea in Exados! thinking about the verse about abraham being satisfied with life/God and died! we are called to be complete in Christ. to live is Christ. thinking farmer soldier athlete. loving in Spirit Truth in Faith fulfills the law of Christ. your faith and love are only as good as the object you put them in. is your object, eternal? what ever you did to the least of them you did it to Me, Jesus. forgive us Lord we are unworthy servants who only did our duty.

  11. street says:

    From time to time I’ve wondered what the Apostle Paul was thinking when he wrote that love “always believes”— or as some translations put it “always trusts”

    mart do you think faith hope and love are like a ring and not linear or both. thinking both. a shalom

    thinking faith and hope will be done away with.

    “Look! God’s dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them.

    My reward is with me, and I will give to each person according to what they have done.

  12. Beloved says:

    On a continuum maybe, adjusting to the need? Patience.

  13. street says:

    gullible adjective

    1.easily deceived or cheated.

  14. Beloved says:

    self-centeredness makes one gullible

    Wow! My dad used to tell me all the time how gullible I was. Are gullible children self centered so deserving of being belittled and ridiculed? Or victims of deceit and treachery?

  15. Beloved says:

    Does wanting love make one gullible?

  16. bubbles says:

    When we choose to love, we choose to be vulnerable to hurt, whatever type of love it is.

  17. Beloved says:

    Sorry, that was not fair. I get triggered so easily. But I think the enemy can easily deceive with promises of power, wealth, health. We’ve all at one time or another been gullible to selfish desires. Why we needed a Savior to deliver us from evil; within and without.

  18. street says:

    only God is love
    we are so different from Him because of sin
    Christ in us the Hope of Love and Glory.

  19. jeff1 says:

    1
    The love of God is greater far
    Than tongue or pen can ever tell.
    It goes beyond the highest star
    And reaches to the lowest hell.
    The guilty pair, bowed down with care,
    God gave His Son to win;
    His erring child He reconciled
    And pardoned from his sin.
    O love of God, how rich and pure!
    How measureless and strong!
    It shall forevermore endure—
    The saints’ and angels’ song.
    2
    When hoary time shall pass away,
    And earthly thrones and kingdoms fall;
    When men who here refuse to pray,
    On rocks and hills and mountains call;
    God’s love, so sure, shall still endure,
    All measureless and strong;
    Redeeming grace to Adam’s race—
    The saints’ and angels’ song.
    3
    Could we with ink the ocean fill,
    And were the skies of parchment made;
    Were every stalk on earth a quill,
    And every man a scribe by trade;
    To write the love of God above
    Would drain the ocean dry;
    Nor could the scroll contain the whole,
    Though stretched from sky to sky.

  20. street says:

    ink, en fill, quill en parch
    can not compare
    to the face of God.

    seek and you will find, for the whole earth is filled with His Glory!
    ask and you will receive,
    knock and you will understand.

    11 “Worthy are You, our Lord and our God, to receive glory and honor and power; for You created all things, and because of Your will they existed, and were created.”

  21. street says:

    And, unless I’m missing something, did Paul actually say that love always trusts or believes— other people? Or did he leave us room for a Jesus-like kindness, patience and…. that…trusts and hopes— in God?

    to be kind where kindness is not expected patience where none was earned…. freely given in Spirit and Truth by Faith in the One Who will judge the living and the dead. Jesus our example Who did not Judge, but to offer Salvation to any who would come. Trusting in His Fathers promises that were written long ago. enduring the cross to return to the Glory He had before the foundation of creation. a Son, a Father could not be any Happier or more pleased. sitting and waiting for His Father….The Lord says to my Lord: “Sit at My right hand Until I make Your enemies a footstool for Your feet.”

    Psalm 99:5
    Exalt the Lord our God And worship at His footstool; Holy is He.

    4 But God, being rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead [f]in our transgressions, made us alive together [g]with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6 and raised us up with Him, and seated us with Him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, 7 so that in the ages to come He might show the surpassing riches of His grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.

  22. bubbles says:

    Yes, the chapter in Corinthians about love talks of that. What do you do, however, when approached by people who say they are homeless and that the homeless shelter is full and they were turned away? I believed someone once, gave them money, and then I called the shelter when I got home to find the person lied to me. The second time it happened, I knew they were lying because the shelter said they will NEVER turn away someone, and if they say that, they are lying. What does one do when you have that gut feeling they are lying?

  23. Beloved says:

    We have a pastor who drives a city bus, and gives money to homeless that all know to be alcoholics. They can’t figure him out either. Paul said not to judge unbelievers. The love of God changes hearts, even the vilest of hearts. It’s not about money, money is an impotent idol. It’s about love.

  24. Beloved says:

    I have an alcoholic neighbor I give food/meals to, knowing most of his money goes to booze, along with several others who foolishly spend money on “things” before groceries. God provides me with plenty of food to share as a means to get to know, pray for and with “sinners” who need to hear about Jesus.

  25. Beloved says:

    Worth repeating…

    your faith and love are only as good as the object you put them in. is your object, eternal? what ever you did to the least of them you did it to Me, Jesus. forgive us Lord we are unworthy servants who only did our duty.(street)

  26. Beloved says:

    @9:42 (sinners) like me, saved by grace through faith in Jesus.

  27. SFDBWV says:

    It is a very interesting idea that in 1 Corinthians 13:1-13 KJV Paul is speaking to our love of God and not of our love towards others.

    Because when you apply God as the receiver of such unconditional love it fits with our concept of a loving God.

    However when people are the recipient the whole idea becomes a challenge.

    Is it the challenge put in front of us that aids in our growing more Christ-like? Is that why God challenges us in this verse of Scripture?

    People will let you down, anyone who thinks otherwise has never placed trust in someone else.

    The thing is has God ever let you down?

    I think if you are honest you have at some point felt abandoned, ignored or even forgotten of God. In this sense the challenge then becomes our relationship with God and not with each other.

    Then again maybe the verse is meant to be intended for both man and God.

    I for one have on many occasions helped other people or befriended them only to have them use or take advantage of my kindness. What I have learned over time is to never cease in offering aid or help or friendship to others, but not to be surprised when it comes back to bite me.

    Once again it come to this if I am in error, then I will always err on the side of “love” and take it on the chin when others see my kindness as a weakness.

    Where I won’t change (become embittered) perhaps my example with help change another (learn what real love is).

    For I do all things through Jesus of Nazareth the Christ.

    Steve

  28. poohpity says:

    I do believe that the love chapter describes the Lord’s perfect love for us and has nothing to do whatsoever in describing our love because our love is flawed as we are so that is what makes His love for us so utterly amazing as the actions in 1 Cor 13 shows.

    God was not gullible in anyway even though He had such great love for us, For He even knows our thoughts and what we are going to say and do before we do it as well as the motives behind everything. We think we love but the minute we want something in return it is no longer love, love is when one does something good for another and never expects anything in return because God first loved us.

    1 John 4:9-10 NLT; 1 John 4:19

  29. poohpity says:

    If one believes that everything we have was a blessing from God then one is only giving away what one has received from God. But if we believe that what we have is only ours to do with what we want, like Cain, then we will be tight fisted and only give to get the approval of another or as a means to control them to do what we want them to do then our offering or gift will not be accepted nor pleasing in God’s eyes. With the same measure you use it will be measured back to you.

    Proverbs 19:17; Luke 6:38 NLT That would include possessions as well as love.

  30. poohpity says:

    If one is already gullible and believes everything they are told even before love then they will be that way even after they are loved.

    When Jesus was talking about the serpent and doves it was to those He was sending out to share about the Kingdom and was warning them even though they were going to be treated harshly do not return that treatment to others. It seems to better understood when left in context.

    Matt 10: “Look, I am sending you out as sheep among wolves. So be as shrewd as snakes and harmless as doves. 17 But beware! For you will be handed over to the courts and will be flogged with whips in the synagogues. 18 You will stand trial before governors and kings because you are my followers. But this will be your opportunity to tell the rulers and other unbelievers about me. 19 When you are arrested, don’t worry about how to respond or what to say. God will give you the right words at the right time. 20 For it is not you who will be speaking—it will be the Spirit of your Father speaking through you.

  31. cbrown says:

    Pooh, did you read the “Our Daily Bread” this morning? “Hopes sure foundation”. Online there is a image of a man crossing a deep void on a narrow footbridge.I know that as we walk this walk in faith that “Phil 4:19 My God will meet all your(our) needs according to the riches of His glory in Christ Jesus” We are to walk in His love Romans 5:5b “because God’s love has been poured out into our nearts through the Holy Spirit who has been given to us”. Love, Chris
    .

  32. jeff1 says:

    “Could he possibly be urging the kind of love that believes whatever anyone tells or promises us”?

    I don’t have to believe the person but I have to believe that God in His time will turn it around.

    To leave it in God’s hands shows love and trust for God which is faith in action.

    Love is a higher calling than faith or hope and so it is my love for God that knows long-suffering and waiting for His truths.

    It is a modern day concept to take kindness for weakness and so I will also have to except that many will see me as a fool rather than as portraying Christlike attitude.

    As you say, Steve, I need to be prepared to take it on the chin when others mock or abuse my kindness.

    That shouldn’t stop me showing kindness to others but rather believe that it is pleasing God that I continue to do so.

    My struggle is not to get embittered (as I did when I was hating my enemies) so I understand the struggle within as well as the struggle without.

    When I struggle I take refuge in Christ as He is my rest, strength and encouragement in times of need.

  33. Beloved says:

    Love the Spurgeon devotional this morning, our God is MIGHT TO SAVE!

  34. Beloved says:

    MIGHTY!

  35. poohpity says:

    Yes I did Chris. My morning devotions include ODB, BTA, DTW, this year the Chronological reading of scripture, meditation on what I read or heard and prayer with my coffee. :-) Now to start my engine, lol after being fueled up and ready to go. The problem is will my engine start because some mornings it does not and I crawl back to bed.

  36. poohpity says:

    If I ever think that I fully understand the love of God that will be easily quashed when I read the questions that God put before Job in Chapters 38 and 39. The ego of any person swiftly goes out the window when one reads that.

  37. street says:

    Not knowing God makes us gullible. Need to know ourselves too. The beginning of faith.

  38. SFDBWV says:

    Upon a more careful study of the love chapter I cannot agree that what is described there is God’s love for mankind.

    I think God’s love for mankind is described at the cross.

    Paul starts off by saying if he had all the “gifts” of the Holy Spirit and did not have love he is nothing more than a bunch of noise. Clearly this doesn’t pertain to God.

    Whereas verses 4-7 describe what real love looks like, there are a couple things there that still don’t sound as though it relates to God’s character.

    Does God “hope”?
    Is God’s will to be challenged?

    No I think it can both describe what our love of God should look like and a description of how we are to love one another.

    Like the Sermon on the Mount we fail in being able to ace the test. We may come close, but we will fall short of being able to excel in all areas of this guideline to exacting perfect love.

    There is a time coming when we shall “Know” perfect love, but according to this chapter that time has not yet come as we see only in part and not the whole.

    Hebrews 11 explains how so many heroes of the Bible died while awaiting their promises from God. Were they gullible or just full of faith?

    Interesting how truth and time are joined together.

    Evening thoughts…

    Steve

  39. jeff1 says:

    1 O love that wilt not let me go,
    I rest my weary soul in thee;
    I give thee back the life I owe,
    that in thine ocean depths its flow
    may richer, fuller be.

    2 O light that followest all my way,
    I yield my flickering torch to thee;
    my heart restores its borrowed ray,
    that in thy sunshine’s blaze its day
    may brighter, fairer be.

    3 O joy that seekest me through pain,
    I cannot close my heart to thee;
    I trace the rainbow through the rain,
    and feel the promise is not vain
    that morn shall tearless be.

    4 O cross that liftest up my head,
    I dare not ask to fly from thee;
    I lay in dust life’s glory dead,
    and from the ground there blossoms red
    life that shall endless be.

  40. poohpity says:

    So if it is not a description of God’s love then how can one call it real love? Gee let me see the many ways just exactly how it was displayed from the Cross. Could Jesus have returned evil for what they were doing to Him? Yes. Was He patient and kind with those who were nailing the spikes into His body? Yes. Was He insisting on His own way? No. He was doing what His father asked. Did He boast about who He is? No. Was He resentful as He hung there or irritable? No. “Father forgive them for they know not what they are doing”. He took the time while in such excruciating pain to make sure His Mother was taken care of. He took the sins of the world upon Himself even before anyone knew what He was doing and still stuck in sin. We were even His enemies but He only did what was good and benefical for us anyway.

    Jesus had hope in His followers that they would spread His message, becoming one in unity of cause and purpose and faith that the Father would not let any of those who belong to Him, go. Paul described the attributes of God and that chapter explains Agape love which can only come from God and then explained we would not understand fully until we see God face to face.

  41. jeff1 says:

    “God Is Good All The Time”

    God is good all the time
    He put a song of praise in this heart of mine
    God is good all the time
    Through the darkest night, His light will shine
    God is good, God is good all the time

    God is good all the time
    He put a song of praise in this heart of mine
    God is good all the time
    Through the darkest night, His light will shine
    God is good, God is good all the time

    If you’re walking through the valley
    And there are shadows all around
    Do not fear, He will guide you

    He will keep you safe and sound
    He has promised to never leave you
    Nor forsake you, and His word is true

    God is good all the time
    He put a song of praise in the heart of mine
    God is good all the time
    Through the darkest night, His light will shine
    God is good, God is good all the time

    We were sinners and so unworthy
    Still for us He chose to die
    Filled us with His Holy Spirit

    Now we can stand and testify
    That His love is everlasting
    And His mercies, they will never end

    God is good all the time
    He put a song of praise in this heart of mine
    God is good all the time
    Through the darkest night, His light will shine
    God is good, God is good all the time

    Though I may not understand
    All the plans you have for me
    My life is in your hands
    And through the eyes of faith
    I can clearly see

    God is good all the time
    He put a song of praise in this heart of mine
    God is good all the time
    Through the darkest night, His light will shine
    God is good, God is good all the time

    God is good all the time
    He put a song of praise in the heart of mine
    God is good all the time
    Through the darkest night, His light will shine
    God is good, God is good all the time

  42. Beloved says:

    John 13:34 NIV
    “A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another.

    To be a follower requires costly love, costing me everything society holds dear. Jesus said if someone takes your coat to give him your other one. If asked to go a mile at work– go 2. Give don’t lend–no expectations. Etc etc. Pray for each other and unbelievers, whether it’s convenient or not.

  43. street says:

    41 You are doing the deeds of your father.” They said to Him, “We were not born of fornication; we have one Father: God.” 42 Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and have come from God, for I have not even come on My own initiative, but He sent Me. 43 Why do you not understand what I am saying? It is because you cannot hear My word.

  44. street says:

    20 In that day you will know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you. 21 He who has My commandments and keeps them is the one who loves Me; and he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and will disclose Myself to him.” 22 Judas (not Iscariot) *said to Him, “Lord, what then has happened that You are going to disclose Yourself to us and not to the world?”

  45. street says:

    costly in giving up self-centeredness.

    i like jim eliot’s quote, ” a man is no fool to give up what he can not keep in order to gain what he can not loose.”

    some how i understand we are not trading but receiving what is freely given. righteousness faithfulness love mercy grace and everything else there is no law against.

    thinking of david inquiring who my abide in your presents?
    Psalm 15

    91 He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High
    Will abide in the shadow of the Almighty.
    2
    I will say to the Lord, “My refuge and my fortress,
    My God, in whom I trust!”
    3
    For it is He who delivers you from the snare of the trapper
    And from the deadly pestilence.

    Galatians 3:6
    Even so Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness.

  46. foreverblessed says:

    This is a great question to ponder upon!
    The Love chaptre!

    I always took it as this:
    God is Love
    And when the chapter starts with:
    Love is
    I see that as:
    God is

    And as Jesus said: Be you perfect:
    He meant to say, everything that God is, you can be, if you ask seek and knock.
    If you throw out your old self,
    SO that there is more and more space for Jesus to live in,
    our love will grow.

    And if that is so, the meaning of
    Love is,
    Will get a deeper and deeper meaning to us, the more Jesus grows in us.

    The many layers of meaning a scripture can have.

  47. foreverblessed says:

    But about trust:
    We are not even to trust ourselves,
    Peter learned that fact on the day Jesus died.
    Peter said:
    “Even if all fall away on account of you, I never will”
    Matthew 26:31-35

    31 Then Jesus told them, “This very night you will all fall away on account of me, for it is written:

    “‘I will strike the shepherd,
    and the sheep of the flock will be scattered.’[a]

    32 But after I have risen, I will go ahead of you into Galilee.”

    33 Peter replied, “Even if all fall away on account of you, I never will.”

    34 “Truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “this very night, before the rooster crows, you will disown me three times.”

    35 But Peter declared, “Even if I have to die with you, I will never disown you.” And all the other disciples said the same.

    Now when I look at it: All the disciples had to learn this thing: Not to trust themselves

    “To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, “If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.””
    Verse of the day, Biblegateway John 8:31-32

  48. poohpity says:

    Mart asked, “And, unless I’m missing something, did Paul actually say that love always trusts or believes— other people?” No. Actually Paul taught the complete opposite as did Jesus, John and Peter to not be gullible but to discern and test what we believe by listening to others.

    Paul taught; 1 Thess 5:21 NLT

    John taught; 1 John 4:1 NLT

    Jesus taught; Matt 7:15

    Peter taught; 2 Peter 2:1

  49. poohpity says:

    My last sentence was not worded properly it should have said, “to discern and test what others say to what God has said so do not be gullible.

  50. foreverblessed says:

    Now, when I have read more of the comments, I have to say, I was repeating what others have said. Like Jeff said already that we should not trust people.
    I was also thinking about the Psalm:
    Do not put your trust in princes
    I did in no way want to overrule what others have written.

    psalms 146:3

    But on the other hand, there should be some kind of trust in our fellow man, like as a child we were trusting our parents, and that was good. What would happen if little children do not trust their parents. Think of it: they even do not want to be lifted up in their arms, no daddy, “I do not trust you can hold me.”
    Or when mom would give them food:
    “No mom, I think you have put poison in my possidge.”

    It becomes a horrible society when trust is gone.

    Like what is happening now, when distrust is growing, suspicion is growing.
    And when distruust is taken ot extremes: paranoia is developing.

    I would humbly ask you to pray for the British today, with the vote that is going to be tonight, european time,that would be about 3 in Grand Rapids.

    So, in my mind there is more going on to this verse.
    As for the Salvation of our souls, no person is to be trusted, only Jesus.
    Jesus our Savior.
    As the Psalm 146:3 says.

    But if we think evil of another person, think of dark intentions with everything they say or do, what kind of persons are we?

    Is that not also one of the meanings of this bible verse:
    1 Cor 13:7
    “It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.”

  51. foreverblessed says:

    What Steve was saying:
    Help others, even if they do take advantage of you.
    Beloved said it too:
    WHen they ask you to walk a mile, walk 2.

    That does mean to intend, that you will be used by others.

    Trust first in GOd, is the thing!
    Trust that God will help you, if you have that kind of strong trust, you do not care that others will use you.

    As Steve said: You think, maybe they will be touched in thheir hearts when they see my example of unconditional love.

    This is also what the teaching of Jesus is all about:
    Be willing to suffer for the sake of Jesus.
    Do everything as doind it for Jesus.

    And that is such a deep meaning.
    Distrusting other people gives no good fruit.
    Trusting Jesus above all is the answer, then we do not have to distrust others.

    When we do no trust in others, we grow distrust, and negative thoughts.
    WHen Jesus did not trust others, He had a different mindset: He did not have a negative feeling about us…

    Growing to be more like Jesus, that is the “Perfection” we have our eyes set upon.
    “Perfection” as in meaning to say, that we do know we ourselves do not have that, but that it is a gift from above, the fruit of the Holy Spirit, freely given to those who follow Jesus, and do what He commanded:
    Walk the other mile as well,
    give him your coat,
    Give without wanting something back, because of the deep trust that God will provide everything that we need.

  52. jeff1 says:

    I believe that’s why my dad’s example has been so important to my faith. He didn’t listen to the false teachers of his day because he recognised them as such because he knew God.

    I, on the other hand, was gullible in thinking they knew God better because they talked the talk.

    Hindsight has taught me otherwise as I now see my dad knew God better.

    I would say that whether you trust your own judgements depends on whether you see yourself as being gullible or not and that leaves me trusting God more than on my own understanding because I believe I am more ignorant of God as I have wandered from his truths.

    It doesn’t stop God drawing me to Himself through songs or people or places which says God remains faithful when I don’t.

    I would agree, Forever, we are not to trust ourselves as God knows us better than we know ourselves and why He is the better judge.

  53. Beloved says:

    Give without wanting something back, because of the deep trust that God will provide everything that we need.

    That’s the secret!

  54. Beloved says:

    My God shall supply all my needs, through Christ Jesus!

  55. Beloved says:

    Philippians4

  56. Beloved says:

    Thinking this….does believing God make one gullible? Does trusting Gods love make one gullible? When everything around is in utter chaos do we sometimes question if what we believe is merely gullibility/weakness?
    Or?

  57. street says:

    in God we trust
    seems to me there is a difference of opinion about trusting people. i think i comes down to how you are to live. we are to live by faith, faith/trust in God. no where are we to trust in flesh and blood, save the Lamb of God. poo mentioned an evaluation of what people say. to weigh it sift through it and keep what is good. what scale filter or standard are we to use. Jesus first test/standard was to live by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God. have to admit learning and doing doesn’t come easy with flesh and blood, but the yoke of Christ i hear is easy and light.

  58. jeff1 says:

    If we are not to trust in flesh and blood then I cannot trust in my own understanding either so how can I sift or weigh what others say when I am flesh and blood as they are.

    God doesn’t leave room for us to trust anyone but Him.

    Jesus’s mission on earth was to trust His Father and as His followers then ours is no different except I can take refuge in Christ when the going gets tough as it so often does.

    1 There’s a wideness in God’s mercy,
    like the wideness of the sea.
    There’s a kindness in God’s justice,
    which is more than liberty.
    There is no place where earth’s sorrows
    are more felt than up in heaven.
    There is no place where earth’s failings
    have such kindly judgment given.

    2 For the love of God is broader
    than the measures of the mind.
    And the heart of the Eternal
    is most wonderfully kind.
    If our love were but more faithful,
    we would gladly trust God’s Word,
    and our lives reflect thanksgiving
    for the goodness of our Lord.

  59. jeff1 says:

    Beloved says:
    January 15, 2019 at 2:47 pm

    Thinking this….does believing God make one gullible? Does trusting Gods love make one gullible? When everything around is in utter chaos do we sometimes question if what we believe is merely gullibility/weakness?
    Or?

    I have had thoughts like this, Beloved, but it is listening to the world view that leads me to think like that as that is how the world sees me.

    That is where my faith comes in and what sets me apart from a none believer.

    Trusting God is much more powerful than we can see and why faith is important to God.

    When I am having disturbing thoughts then I listen to my songs or poems and thwarts Satan’s attacks because it brings God close again.

    It was my friend who told me when I was psychotic to say the Lord’s prayer and that would keep me safe from attack.

    I find that it calms my mind and refocuses my thoughts on God and was the best advice I have been given as regards my mental health.

    My friend was studying her Bible since childhood and I have learned a lot from her as she explains God’s word to me when we are on outings together.

    Although we disagree on politics and religion here her love of Jesus is sincere and I can trust her as we have been friends since primary school.

  60. poohpity says:

    I was thinking this morning how many people are gullible when it comes to things like believing and trusting the media or career politicians but yet when it comes to God they question Him regarding His promises, love, safety and goodness.

    I guess it would give us each a glance at that by what is the first thing we listen to or read in the morning.

  61. poohpity says:

    Even though Jesus did not trust the heart of mankind because He fully knew their hearts but that did not stop Him from doing all the good that He did for us, it did not stop Him from pursuing us to have a relationship with Him, it did not stop Him from giving His very life for us. He was not gullible but He was loving.

  62. jeff1 says:

    I cannot change the world or does God expect me to and so I shouldn’t focus on the negativity of it as that only distracts me from His promises.

    I think I question God because of fear that I am displeasing Him more than I doubt Him. I have good reason to being wayward and distracted in my youth has consequences.

    The mind is a playground for Satan in my case anyway so perhaps why I trust the heart more.

  63. SFDBWV says:

    Governor Jesse Ventura while still Governor expressed his views of Christians as being weak, the writers of the Simpsons cartoon express their view of a Christian in Ned Flanders.

    The world views Christians as simple, gullible and easily manipulated people.

    Too often it takes tragedy in a worldly persons own life and the milk of human kindness given and shown from Christian hearts before they can see the power a Christian actually possesses.

    It is one of those things that we as Christians also too often forget, that we have power, wonder working power in the blood of the Lamb.

    We always have the high ground in every situation and only loose it when we cede it over to the world.

    The Books of wisdom we have written in Scripture gives us a reference in dealing with the world, it is also written on our hearts if we pause to listen to that still small voice in our heats.

    It also is tempered with grace, mercy and yes the guidelines of love as described in 1 Corinthians 13; which doesn’t make us weak or gullible, but empowers us to be able to overcome the worst of situations with a joy that makes no sense to the rest of the world.

    Be at peace and rest in the Lord Jesus of Nazareth the Christ.

    Steve

  64. poohpity says:

    What do the books of wisdom teach us about dealing with the world?

    It sounds like it is not only unbelievers that think that believers are weak but so called believers as well. There is nothing weak about putting up with hate, persecution, being whipped, imprisoned for their beliefs, run out of their homes and countries for their beliefs rather than retaliation and returning evil for evil but will still be warriors to fight against oppression and suppression on the behalf of others.

    The strongest people I have ever been around are those who do not need to display their strength but protect the weak and the weakest people need to prove how strong they think they are by picking on those who are weaker or are fewer in number. Psalm 82:3-4 NLT

  65. Beloved says:

    Steve I remember when he was our governor, what shock to many (older) people but the college aged loved him and got him voted in. Yes he said Christians were just weaklings needing to follow someone, however, his wife was a Christian. Always wondered if he’d soften under his wife’s prayers and witness. He was a true macho man in the worldly sense. But not an unkind person as we have in our president.

    Thinking sometimes people have a hard time trusting Love, having been burned by someone who professed love but didn’t live up to it. Jesus knows what’s in the heart of man, that it’s altogether wicked. We do well to trust that only God is good! Believe that, forgive people, love others as we have been loved by God. All is well.

  66. poohpity says:

    I did not know you knew our President, Joyce to offer such a horrible judgment of him. He sent over four tracker trailers of needed items to those hit by hurricanes and flooding before he ever became President from His own money but I guess that is unkind. He does not take a salary for being President but gives it away to different charities but I guess that is unkind also. He wants to enforce our current laws which is part of his job description but I guess that is also unkind. He wants to protect the citizens he took an oath to protect but I guess that is also unkind. He has undone the regulations that were preventing the growth of our job market but that is I guess also unkind, right?

    Remember we see in others what we are guilty of ourselves. By the way who really cares what a governor or a cartoonist has to say about Christians as if their opinion matters in the least. The only person we should care about what He says about us is the Lord Himself. He says we are loved, forgiven and are of much worth and value to Him not only did He say that but showed that in His actions of love towards us.

  67. Beloved says:

    The heart is deceitful above all things. The minute I hit submit I knew I was wrong.

  68. Beloved says:

    Thinking sometimes people have a hard time trusting Love, having been burned by someone who professed love but didn’t live up to it. Jesus knows what’s in the heart of man, that it’s altogether wicked. We do well to trust that only God is good! Believe that, forgive people, love others as we have been loved by God. All is well.

  69. Beloved says:

    Deb glad to hear your engine started today! Have a good one!

  70. poohpity says:

    lol Joyce. Actually my engine starts but my transmission prevents me from putting it in drive and ends up in reverse instead, lol.

  71. cbrown says:

    Now that is funny! I’ve been having the same problem the last couple of days. Love, Chris

  72. Beloved says:

    So thankful for the Holy dipstick that tells us where the problem lies, wink.

  73. Beloved says:

    Thinking about a faulty “transmission”. Does confession of sin get us unstuck? Can God move us forward unless we are repentant? What was the topic again, oh yes, gullible love.

    Love is so patient with us seems to me. He doesn’t let us stay stuck, He’s that involved in our lives. Oh He’s so good!

  74. jeff1 says:

    God loves us too much to move us forward until we see the error of our ways. I block my own progress whether I realise it or not.

    My dad’s vision in seeing God was much greater than mine though I didn’t see it at the time but I can see now that God reveals to those who trust and obey Him.

    There has to be a willingness on my part to see it God’s way and my character trait is to be more stubborn than my dad ever was which isn’t good for my progress so I need to change in order to allow God to reveal what He wants me to see.

    Get out of God’s way is what I have to do and I don’t find that easy whereas my dad found it incredibly easy to do as he wasn’t a self righteous man.

    I have a tendency to be self righteous in my religion and that is a struggle for me but with God’s help I believe I will conquer it.

    Knowing yourself takes a long time I have found and not liking what you see can be incredibly debilitating as guilt and repentance takes a long time when you try to justify your reasons.

    I did have good reasons which didn’t help me in being repentant but that doesn’t cut any ice with God.

    God’s love is perfect love so He’s not going to let me take any short cuts and I have spent so much time being hated and hating which is so very far from where I need to be.

    Age and the stresses of life have also wearied me and so it is good to be able to rest knowing God’s goodness and patience is greater than my weariness.

  75. poohpity says:

    Well ladies I was not speaking of sin but fatigue. Liver failure has a lot of fatigue associated with it which is what I meant by being in reverse and going back to bed after I get up. Like I pray that is not going to happen today because on Thursdays I have bible study group at 10:30am then we have a pot luck in my apartment complex at 12:30 then I call BINGO at 1:30 all of which I head up. Last week I passed off some of my responsibility to let someone else shop for the prizes from the Dollar Store rather than me trying to do it all and today I was thinking about getting others to call the numbers or cards which ever we are playing.

    As with doing things wrong or sin I count that as still moving forward only hitting a few bumps or pot holes in the road. Some are big bumps and some are small but you are right first admitting they are there is very helpful in getting them repaired. All failures are learning experiences for me, some lessons I learn quickly and some I repeat several times before I learn but confession is always needed then being thankful for God’s forgiveness. God is so patient and kind with me for that I am so grateful and does not beat me up or rub it in my nose when I fail but gently lifts me up again to get back on the road. Gee that sounds like a song. :-)

  76. poohpity says:

    This song is better understood when one sees the video.

    We Fall Down
    Bob Carlisle

    Cursing every step of the way, he bore a heavy load
    To the market ten miles away, the journey took its toll
    And every day he passed a monastery’s high cathedral walls
    And it made his life seem meaningless and small

    And he wondered how it would be to live in such a place
    To be warm, well fed and at peace; to shut the world away

    So when he saw a priest who walked, for once, beyond the iron gate
    He said, “tell me of your life inside the place”
    And the priest replied

    We fall down, we get up
    We fall down, we get up
    We fall down, we get up
    And the saints are just the sinners
    Who fall down and get up

    Disappointment followed him home; he’d hoped for so much more
    But he saw himself in a light he had never seen before

    Cause if the priest who fell could find the Grace of God to be enough
    Then there must be some hope for the rest of us
    There must be some hope left for us

    We fall down, we get up
    We fall down, we get up
    We fall down, we get up
    And the saints are just the sinners
    Who fall down and get up

  77. jeff1 says:

    Love makes us many things as it surprises myself the lengths I will go to in protecting those I love.

    That makes me ask how well do I know myself and the answer is not as well as God does.

    O the deep, deep love of Jesus, vast unmeasured, boundless, free
    Rolling as a mighty ocean, in its fullness over me
    Underneath me, all around me, is the current of Thy love
    Leading onward, leading homeward to Thy glorious rest above

    O the deep, deep love of Jesus, spread His praise from shore to shore
    How He loveth, ever loveth, changeth never, evermore
    How He watches o’er His loved ones, died to call them all His own
    How for them He intercedeth, watcheth o’er them from the throne

    O the deep, deep love of Jesus, ’tis a heav’n of heav’ns to me
    And it lifts me up to glory, for it lifts me up to Thee, yeah
    [Incomprehensible]

    And it lifts me up to glory

  78. Beloved says:

    Viv that’s one of my favorite songs!

  79. jeff1 says:

    I think, Incomprehensible, says it all, because, it is difficult to grasp the deepness of God’s love other than momentarily, as the reality of this world interrupts those moments when God seems so very near, but it is in those precious moments that I get a glimpse of whom God is, and there is a peace that overcomes me and tells me all is well with my soul.

    When peace, like a river, attendeth my way,
    When sorrows like sea billows roll;
    Whatever my lot, Thou hast taught me to say,
    It is well, it is well with my soul.

    Refrain:
    It is well with my soul,
    It is well, it is well with my soul.

    Though Satan should buffet, though trials should come,
    Let this blest assurance control,
    That Christ hath regarded my helpless estate,
    And hath shed His own blood for my soul.

    My sin—oh, the bliss of this glorious thought!—
    My sin, not in part but the whole,
    Is nailed to the cross, and I bear it no more,
    Praise the Lord, praise the Lord, O my soul!

    For me, be it Christ, be it Christ hence to live:
    If Jordan above me shall roll,
    No pang shall be mine, for in death as in life
    Thou wilt whisper Thy peace to my soul.

    But, Lord, ’tis for Thee, for Thy coming we wait,
    The sky, not the grave, is our goal;
    Oh, trump of the angel! Oh, voice of the Lord!
    Blessed hope, blessed rest of my soul!

    And Lord, haste the day when the faith shall be sight,
    The clouds be rolled back as a scroll;
    The trump shall resound, and the Lord shall descend,
    Even so, it is well with my soul.

  80. Beloved says:

    Amen

  81. Beloved says:

    Reading in The Excellency of Christ, by Jonathan Edwards, he talks of Christ as the Lion of Judah bringing judgement on unbelievers, yet as the Lamb to believers he writes:
    And yet he will at the same time appear as a Lamb to his saints; he will receive them as friends and brethren, treating them with infinite mildness and love. There shall be nothing in him terrible to them, but towards them he will clothe himself wholly with sweetness and endearment. The church shall be then admitted to him as his bride; that shall be her wedding-day. The saints shall all be sweetly invited to come with him to inherit the kingdom, and reign in it with him to all eternity.

  82. foreverblessed says:

    Believes all things:
    “But it must mean, that in regard to the conduct of others, there is a disposition to put the best construction on it; to believe that they may be actuated by good motives, and that they intend no injury; and that there is a willingness to suppose, as far as can be, that what is done is done consistently with friendship, good feeling, and virtue. Love produces this, because it rejoices in the happiness and virtue of others, and will not believe the contrary except on irrefragable evidence.”

    Barnes notes on the bible

  83. foreverblessed says:

    BelieThat also means that judging the motives of why somebody does what he does is out of bounds for humans.
    In the Bible it was well known that people could be possessed with evil spirits.
    So when people do very cruel things it can very well be that they are overpowered by an evil spirit of violence. And they do not know what they are doing.
    The man where the legion of spirits were driven out by Jesus, that went into the pigs, he sat there, and it doesn’t seem to be that he got a trial for all the things he had done while under the influence of them.
    He was sent by Jesus to go to his own people and testify about what Jesus had done to him.
    He was set free!

    ” He sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners..”
    Luke 4:18, Isa 61:1-2

    We are to pray, that’s what Mart advised us a few topics ago:
    Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing.

  84. foreverblessed says:

    Belie….
    Should have been deleted just above.
    After posting, your own remark remains, you first have to delete it before another comment can be made.

    I was thinking about the typo, interesting typo, Steve had, a while ago:
    Bless those who bless you
    Cure those who curse you.

    In regard what Jesus said:
    Set the prisoners free.

  85. jeff1 says:

    foreverblessed says:
    January 18, 2019 at 4:46 am

    Yet, we have to have laws, judges, courts to have a civilised world otherwise people would take the law into their own hands and I have seen that done in my country and it is not pretty so give me the judiciary with all its loopholes it is still the best option in a fallen world.

    We cannot make judgement calls on a person’s motives but society has to.

    I cannot play God in this world and so I trust the laws and courts to do right.

    My friend decided to challenge a woman who was in the horrors of drink and afterwards she came to me frightened and admitting that she made a bad situation worse and never again would she take on an evil spirit.

    We can pray, but the spirit world is in God’s hands and not ours because I learned at a very early age not to dabble in it and I have seen to many do it and come out the worse for it.

    When people decide to play God disaster happens or that is how I see it anyway.

  86. poohpity says:

    Wasn’t it God who said, “I will bless those who bless you and (without typo) curse those who curse you” to Abraham finishing with “all the families of the earth will be blessed through you” referring to his descendant Jesus. Isn’t only Jesus who can set captive’s free from the consequences of sin? I know a lot of human beings want that to be about them and their abilities when in reality it is something that only God can do.

    When I was a child I believed everything I was told because at that time my reasoning and thoughts were limited to this very small world around me and I had nothing else to go on and as Joyce mentioned those that that child trusted can do harm whether intentionally or unintentionally only because the knowledge of our parents is also limited by the scars and life they have experienced in their world. But as Paul mentions there comes a time when we stop reasoning and thinking like a child.

    Back then and still today as an adult we can only see things partially again through our small world lenses but finding out that God knows us fully but yet still loved us as He does opens up a way bigger world to us from the experiences of life. We just naturally have more information to go on so we give up the thinking or reasoning of a child but in our relationship with God we go back to the dependence of a child who believes and trusts all things through the lens of the love of God for us. 1 Cor 13:11

    If at a time when we no longer need faith or hope because we see God face to face, love is still alive and active. 1 Cor 13:12,13

  87. poohpity says:

    The most gullible and trusting people are babies and little children and that gives a very great responsibility to parenting but as we know that a lot of people are not able to meet that responsibility because of selfishness. Today is the March for Life put on by those who do know that the care of innocence of those who can not speak for themselves is one of our highest priorities.

  88. poohpity says:

    However along with the “March for Life” there will be another march called the “Women’s March” speaking up for their own rights even though it may take the freedoms and rights away from those who are unable to speak and do for themselves. We are only really free when we protect the rights of everyone and set our rights aside for the good of ALL, everyone. Gal 3:28

  89. jeff1 says:

    It is in knowing that God has overcome the world that I can see a light at the end of the tunnel and that gives me hope for the future as God finds a way when there seems to be no way.

    Known Only to Him

    Known only to him are the great hidden secrets
    I’ll fear not the darkness when my flame shall dim
    I know not what the future holds
    But I know who holds the future
    It’s a secret known only to Him

    In this world of fear and doubt
    On my knees I ask the question
    Why a lonely, heavy cross I must bear
    Then he tells me in my prayer
    It’s because I am trustworthy
    He gives me strength far more than my share

    Known only to him are the great hidden secrets
    I’ll fear not the darkness when my flame shall dim
    I know not what the future holds
    But I know who holds the future
    It’s a secret known only to him

  90. poohpity says:

    Pastor of one of Hillsong campuses Carl Lentz taught, ““In my feelings”… my son recently told me “dad, I don’t feel like going to church. We are there ALL THE TIME.” It was very cute and sincere and I was able to tell him what apparently many of us adults still need to hear: feelings are great. They are important. But they are not the dominant factor in how we live our lives! If our feelings match our convictions? Fantastic. I’ve just found that it’s often that is the exception, not the norm. In fact, most of the incredible things God calls us to do? Do not come with an accompanying “good vibe.” Loving your enemy, does not always feel good. Sacrificial giving, does not always feel good. Forgiving people who hurt you, almost NEVER “feels right.” Going to church, doesn’t always feel good! But these things are still RIGHT. When that day comes, when your feelings rage against your conviction, remember how blessed we are to control our feelings, rather than being controlled by them. It’s worth it every time!”

    The difference in reasoning as a child compared to adult thinking and acting on our beliefs.

  91. cbrown says:

    Good morning all!Iam forever blessed by by your comments. Pooh,, in reguards to your comments about transmissions, I am in a war with my blood pressure which is too high. To much salt sends it straight up so I monitor my use of salt and manage what I eat. Over several days I had gotten it down close to the good range and then the day you talked about your transmission it had gone up again. Your comment cracked me up. As a side note,one of the inmates in my Bible study is going home tomrrow. He was 16 when he was incarcerated and now he is 27.WE discussed with him 1 Peter 5:8, the roaring lion in the world who seeks to devour him and then I and the other inmate,some who have life sentences, prayed for him and sent him on his way. Love, Chris

  92. Beloved says:

    It’s good to laugh at our difficulties! My ball joints (knees) are about ready for replacement but also my chrome is getting full of holes(teeth) so need a whole new set, but, my dilemma, whether t o fix my car the next time something wears out or my body!!! We seem to be in a race for my limited funds, lol! But, it’s in God’s hands so I’m not worried. I can still chew with only 8 front teeth and drive without ABS and hand brake so we keep chugging along! Happily, of course, as long as Jesus is driving!

    On a more serious note, yesterday I had a bad day, grieving over my closest friends dying, my children who only speak to me on holidays, and loneliness at my church – ( seems like if your not able to actively help out no one notices you). So, I took my pain to Jesus who understands and he wept with me, then came a knock at my door, suddenly, and an invitation to a dinner with a few others in my building! Don’t ever think God has abandoned you, ever. He’s as close as your breath! Oh He’s so good!

  93. Beloved says:

    Chris the inmate has a lot of relearning about culture which is stressful. Praying for godly mentors.

  94. poohpity says:

    There is an excellent article written by Simon Wenham published by RZIM titled “A Crutch or a Cross” about the so called weaknesses of Christians that Steve talked about earlier. Good read.

  95. Beloved says:

    Good read indeed!

    “The truth of the matter is that Jesus never offered a crutch, only a cross; it wasn’t a call to be a better person with high self-esteem or a plan to help us scrape through our existence. It was a call to acknowledge that the forgiveness we all seek is to be found in him by following him onto the cross…. It’s because Christianity is true that it has something to offer every person in every circumstance, regardless of their background or intellectual capabilities. ”

    Agree that in our post modern era of secular psychologies/therapies/Freud me me me culture Christ has so much more to offer, a cross.

  96. foreverblessed says:

    “The truth of the matter is that Jesus never offered a crutch, only a cross; it wasn’t a call to be a better person with high self-esteem or a plan to help us scrape through our existence. It was a call to acknowledge that the forgiveness we all seek is to be found in him by following him onto the cross… It’s because Christianity is true that it has something to offer every person in every circumstance, regardless of their background or intellectual capabilities.”(11)

    As McGrath explains:McGrath, Mere Apologetics, 170.

    “If you have a broken leg, you need a crutch. If you’re ill you need medicine. That’s just the way things are. The Christian understanding of human nature is that we are damaged, wounded and disabled by sin. That’s just the way things are.”(4)

    That was indeed a good read, Pooh.

    Beloved, may God help you, and strengthen you.
    We believe in Jesus, that He is our Saviour, that He is with us in our trials, thank you for your testimony, that God did send you an invitation!

    Crown, thank you very much, and I am praying for that inmate.
    I must write it down, so I do not forget.

    Jeff, I believe God only can set prisoners free, God can only heal. God alone because of the Cross.

    But God does not personally walk on earth, He works through us, the ones who are IN Christ.

    We have been given the ministry of reconciliation.
    You might say: God is all powerful, bug He has chosen through Christ to be the head of the Church, a community of believers, HD works through us.
    But as for me, I can only see to it that I am freed, that I am attached to Christ,btgat my own old self is crucified, so that I may be more effective in His saving souls.

    I have been to conferences by Graham Powell, he was an expert in praying for people who had evil spirits. I was walking alongside a youth, who had used drugs, had become a Christian, but started to drink again, he fell back into a state of bondage, fobia. Tremendously intimidating state to be in.
    So I went with him to the conference.

    Graham was so humble, he was singing songs all the time,vsongs like angels singing, praising Jesus.
    There was nothing scarry at all, the glory of Jesus was all around.
    This man knew what the Spirit was telling him, when to set free, or when to refrain.
    This youth got to him, and he talked takes while. The boy did not ask for prayer, and he didn’t pray for him.
    I was so surprised that he didn’t!
    But then remembered that Jesus Himself said something about this, 7 more would come back,band the situation was worse.
    Jesus must grow in a heart, Jesus must fill the emptiness.

    No crutches, a Cross: Jesus living in us, setting us free.

    Graham himself was in bondagd of spirits of fear and anxiet
    He was set free, without anyone praying, but just because through faith in Jesus, through Jesus presence growing in him, by prayer, much fasting, Bible study. He was free!

    We all have our demons we have to overcome. Each his own set. But only the live of Jesus growing in us, can overcome.
    Perfect love drives out fear
    1 John 4:18.
    If there is still fear, more likely be is needed. This youth ux saying, because I have still fear, Jesus must not be true, and he falls back. ( But God is faithful, He is still around the boy, may God set him free soon! Pray with me for him)

    Holding on to Jesus, no matter how long, for Graham it lasted 19 years! But his ministry is so powerful! God’s ministry, not his own.

    That’s why it is said:
    He who overcomes, to him will I give him
    The right to eat from the tree of life
    Some of the hidden manna
    Rev 2:7,17,26

    That inmate that is released, must hold onto Jesus. I pray for angels, and as Beloved said, mentors, Jesus Himself.
    May God bless him much.

    Chris, may God be with you, and heal you, make you strong, more life of Jesus flowing through you.
    And the same prayer for Pooh, and Beloved, and Jeff.
    And Steve, Matt, Glenna,
    Street, Pat, Bubbles, Maru, Kingsdaughter, Gary
    And all other contributors here from the past.
    And Mart, not to forget,his daughter, his family.
    God, bless them, be with them, in Jesus’ name

  97. Beloved says:

    Dying to self, as Jesus did obediently on the cross. We must die also.

  98. Beloved says:

    If we didn’t have troubles, we wouldn’t need Jesus. We all have troubles of different kinds needing different kinds of interventions. God is faithful and so creatively able to handle any situation that we find ourselves in.

    Long ago I saw spirits and feared them greatly until prayer closed the door to that opening. My mother always saw dead people and used a Ouija board to take direction from. But even in my dreams I learned to fight demons by the power given by Jesus. It’s been many many years now since those days of Holy housecleaning; Jesus and I are very very close friends. Yet in His wisdom He has allowed me to struggle with anxiety/depression so I would not become proud of who I have become, but that the power and glory of God would shine through my afflictions. In weakness I know Gods strength! Blessed be the Name of the LORD. Mighty is His name and just and merciful are His ways. This poor sinner is extremely grateful for His perfect plans purpose and will for my life. Life!

    The mental affliction God miraculously delivered me from over a period of years was a dissociative identity disorder, back in the 80’s called multiple personality disorder.

    I am so grateful I don’t have to deal with that anymore. So thankful to be alive! And for the fellowship of the Saints!

  99. jeff1 says:

    The Promise

    I never said that I would give you silver or gold
    Or that you would never feel the fire or shiver in the cold
    But I did say you’d never walk through this world alone
    And I did say, don’t make this world your home

    I never said that fear wouldn’t find you in the night
    Or that loneliness was something you’d never have to fight
    But I did say I’d be right there by your side
    And I did say I’ll always help you fight

    ‘Cause you know I made a promise that I intend to keep
    My grace will be sufficient in every time of need
    My love will be the anchor that you can hold onto
    This is the promise, this is the promise I made to you

    I never said that friends would never turn their backs on you
    Or that the world around you wouldn’t see you as a fool
    But I did say like me, you’ll surely be despised
    And I did say my ways confound the wise

    I didn’t say you’d never taste the bitter kiss of death
    Or have to walk through chilly Jordan to enter into rest
    But I did say I’d be waiting right on the other side (yeah, yeah)
    And I did say I’ll dry every tear you cry

    ‘Cause you know I made a promise that I’ve prepared a place
    And some day sooner than you think you’ll see me face to face
    And you’ll sing with the angels and a countless multitude
    This is the promise, this is the promise I’ve made to you

    So just keep on walkin’, don’t turn to the left or right
    And in the midst of darkness, let this be your light
    That hell can’t separate us and you’re gonna make it through
    This is the promise, this is the promise I made to you, oh
    This is the promise, this is the promise I made to you

  100. Beloved says:

    Psalm34

    Pulpit Commentary
    Verse 19. – Many are the afflictions of the righteous (comp. Job 36:8-10; Acts 14:22; 1 Corinthians 15:19; 2 Timothy 3:12; Hebrews 11:33-38; Hebrews 12:5-10, etc.). The righteous suffer afflictions because they are so imperfectly righteous. They need purging, purifying, chastening, to rid them of the dross and defilement of sin which still clings to them, and from which they are never wholly freed while they continue in the flesh. “We must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God” (Acts 14:22). We must, like the Captain of our salvation, be “made perfect through suffering” (Hebrews 2:10). But the Lord delivereth him out of them all. When they have done their appointed work of purging, purifying, instructing, improving, or whatever else their work may be, God removes the afflictions with which he has visited us or allowed us to be visited, ultimately, when he takes us to himself, mercifully delivering us “out of them all.”

  101. foreverblessed says:

    2 Cor 9:19-22

    19 Though I am free and belong to no one, I have made myself a slave to everyone, to win as many as possible. 20 To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law. 21 To those not having the law I became like one not having the law (though I am not free from God’s law but am under Christ’s law), so as to win those not having the law. 22 To the weak I became weak, to win the weak. I have become all things to all people so that by all possible means I might save some.

    Paul says: I might save some!

  102. foreverblessed says:

    I had written a comment, praying for the inmate that was released, praying for all the sick among us, for Chris, Pooh, Jeff, Beloved, Steve, Matt, Glenna,
    Praying for all who were here, for Mart, his daughter,
    Asking God to bless us all.

    But it is nowhere.
    But God knows! He will take care of that inmate, of all of you,
    Thank God!

    It is only Jesus who can save, only Jesus who can set prisoners free, and yet, Paul says: that I might save some.
    He means to say: I preach to them so they will accept Christ,VSO they are saved.
    But he makes a shortcut, and says: that I might save some, and we all know what he meant to say.

    So when I say: set the prisoners free, I mean to say that Jesus set them free.
    But Christ uses us. Christ IN us.
    All the glory goes to God
    Just to have some humor:
    In the case of the inmate yesterday, some human person opened the prison doors, and set him free.
    I pray earnestly that God will be with him, and he with God.

  103. Beloved says:

    Forever your earlier post is at 12:17. Not lost! Thank you for your prayers, as well as all who are praying here.

  104. Beloved says:

    I see what you mean Forever. A while ago it said 103 posts then suddenly went back to 99 for a while. Just now it returned to 103! Technical difficulties?

  105. foreverblessed says:

    Yes, indeed, there are many comments that did not appear to be yesterday!
    Love to all, God bless you.
    And please pray for me today: family reunion!
    Please Pray for peace!

  106. poohpity says:

    Yes in 1 cor 9 Paul talks about winning/saving people by fitting in with them but if one continues reading in verse 1 Cor 9:23 it tells of how that is by sharing the Gospel which has the real power to save and the very reason why he speaks or shares with anyone. But then gives us a warning about fitting in but not so far that he looks more like them than like Christ. 1 Cor 9:27 He does not want people to follow him but directs them towards Jesus and what He did for them.

  107. poohpity says:

    I can see how a child is gullible when it comes to their parents because they love and depend on them for every part of their care BUT as a parent even though I love my children I am not gullible with them because I actually know them so well, lol.

    Children learn how to manipulate and control their parents from a very early age. They know how to use a puckered lip or a tear to soften a heart and they also know that throwing tantrums the parents will do just about anything to get them to stop even if giving in to them is not the loving thing to do but teaches them how they can control the parents to do what they want. I have pity for the child of a parent who never allows their children to fall or fail or be told no. The child will all their lives be stuck in immaturity and think that throwing tantrums or bringing on tears or puckered lips will get them what they want even if it is not good for them.

    God doesn’t seem to give us everything we want but does give us what we need and as an adult we learn the difference while an adult child never learns that that seems to be why so many have ungrateful hearts.

  108. SFDBWV says:

    Looking at the subject base again there was something about Mart’s comment in the third paragraph that just didn’t sound right. So after reading it over a few times and then referencing Scripture again I found what it was that troubled me.

    Mart suggests that in John 2:23-25 KJV that because of the miracles Jesus did the people trusted Him, but He did not trust them.

    However what I read is that because of the miracles Jesus did the people believed in Him, but He would not commit Himself to them.

    Commit, perhaps to “entrust” Himself means something different to me.

    Because He knows people, it isn’t that He didn’t trust them it is that He knows what to expect from people. Knowing if He entrusted Himself to them at that time He would be misrepresented by them and used of them for their purposes and not for God the Father’s purpose.

    Me as a person born of the flesh may hope for the best from other people, but I also know human behavior and am never surprised when my faith in them is let down. At the same time when my faith in someone is fulfilled it is a unique feeling of victory or triumph over negative expectations.

    It still remains about being wise and gentle in our approach to each other, humble and reverent in our approach to God.

    Steve

  109. Beloved says:

    John6:60 When many of his disciples heard it, they said, “This is a hard saying; who can listen to it?” 61 But Jesus, knowing in himself that his disciples were grumbling about this, said to them, “Do you take offense at this? 62 Then what if you were to see the Son of Man ascending to where he was before? 63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh is no help at all. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life. 64 But there are some of you who do not believe.” (For Jesus knew from the beginning who those were who did not believe, and who it was who would betray him.) 65 And he said, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father.”

    66 After this many of his disciples turned back and no longer walked with him.

    Thinking the people did not know Jesus as the Son of God (ref. John 2:23-25), that even some of his disciples left Him when confronted with the reality of Who Jesus was.

    Listening to a teaching on wheat/tares-sovereignty of God, we are told to love our enemies because we don’t know if they will be saved at their last breath! I come to the conclusion that I know what’s in mankind because I myself am no different, but trusting only in the grace of God/the Atonement opens the way for complete forgiveness and eternity with God.

  110. Beloved says:

    Spirit and Truth.

  111. street says:

    Does Love Make us Gullible?
    impartiality of God?
    forgiven?
    transform?
    sanctified?
    conformed?

    thinking of the activity of love. seems to me love is very active. thinking about rest.

  112. Beloved says:

    Just a thought….i spend way too much time being “wise as a serpent”. Mother Teresa comes to mind, loving people as if they are Christ Himself was her teaching. What joy, what compassion, what Love!! Jesus loved all people, yet those that refused to love Him, the Son of God, were lost forever. When people refuse to love me does that mean I am right and they are lost? No. Just a servant here, sister of Jesus learning to love as God wants while He chips away at this broken clay pot, to eventually reveal the Pearl of great price that is hiding inside.

  113. Beloved says:

    Street @3:48 you are describing the work of God. Rest in God’s love, a good thing, knowing that He has promised to complete the work He started! Philippians

  114. Beloved says:

    By the Hemphills

    He’s still working on me
    To make me what I need to be
    It took him just a week to make the moon and stars
    The sun and the earth and Jupiter and Mars
    How loving and patient He must be
    ‘Cause He’s still workin’ on me
    There really ought to be a sign upon my heart
    Don’t judge him yet, there’s an unfinished part
    But I’ll be better just according to His plan
    Fashioned by the Master’s loving hands
    He’s still working on me
    To make me what I need to be
    It took him just a week to make the moon and stars
    The sun and the earth and Jupiter and Mars
    How loving and patient He must be
    ‘Cause He’s still workin’ on me
    In the mirror of His word
    Reflections that I see
    Makes me wonder why He never gave up on me
    But He loves me as I am and helps me when I pray
    Remember He’s the potter, I’m the clay
    He’s still working on me
    To make me what I need to be
    It took him just a week to make the moon and stars
    The sun and the earth and Jupiter and Mars
    How loving and patient He must be
    ‘Cause He’s still workin’ on me.

  115. jeff1 says:

    Coming Out and Moving In

    There’s a possession marching upwards heading for the lovely home
    Hear we wait for sweet deliverance and we know it won’t be long
    Till we see the light of Judah on Mount Zion He will stand
    There’s a great anticipation
    What a day when we move in

    We’re coming out of this land of sorrow into a land of perfect day
    Leaving behind all of this suffering we have known along the way
    We have washed our robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb
    We’re coming out and moving in

    All the first dwellers who are ready will be laying burdens down shaking the dust of all of these trials and exchanging them for a crown
    In a land where there is no sickness neither death will come again
    We may cry before we come out but what glory moving in

    We’re coming out of this land of sorrow in to a land of perfect day leaving behind all of this suffering we have known along the way
    We have washed our robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb
    We’re coming out and moving in

    We’re coming out of this land of sorrow into to a land of perfect day leaving behind all of this suffering we have known along the way
    We have washed our robes and made them white
    in the blood of the Lamb
    We’re coming out
    We’re coming out
    We’re coming out and moving in

    We’re coming out of this land of sorrow into a land of perfect day leaving behind all of this suffering we have known along the way
    We have washed our robes and made the white in the blood of the Lamb
    We’re coming out
    We’re coming out
    We’re coming out and moving in

  116. poohpity says:

    Yes Joyce I think you hit the nail on the head when people follow Jesus because of what they think He can do for them rather than following Him because of who He is. Jesus knew what was in their hearts and the reason they followed Him.

    You can see that in those who pray for things and if Jesus does not do as they want think He does not exist, not that maybe what they want may not be the best for them in the grander scheme of life so they end up not giving Him the time of day.

    I think Jesus explains that well in the parable of the soils; Luke 8: 11 Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God. 12 The ones along the path are those who have heard; then the devil comes and takes away the word from their hearts, so that they may not believe and be saved. 13 And the ones on the rock are those who, when they hear the word, receive it with joy. But these have no root; they believe for a while, and in time of testing fall away. 14 And as for what fell among the thorns, they are those who hear, but as they go on their way they are choked by the cares and riches and pleasures of life, and their fruit does not mature. 15 As for that in the good soil, they are those who, hearing the word, hold it fast in an honest and good heart, and bear fruit with patience.

  117. poohpity says:

    Now would you entrust or trust yourself to someone who only has their own interests in mind? Peter confessed he knew who Jesus was but when the rubber meets the road denied knowing Him three times. Jesus knew that this was going to happen before it ever happened but not because of Peter but because of who Jesus is, restored Him. Proverbs 21:2; Isaiah 53:6; Romans 3:23 God knows our hearts better than we do ourselves and what we are prone to do and at just the right time Jesus allowed Himself into His Father’s hand which lead to crucifixion. John 10:18, 18:36; Matt 26:53,54

  118. poohpity says:

    Don’t you find it odd that the religious people asked Jesus for more signs or miracles to prove who He was after He had done so many already?

  119. Beloved says:

    Lol who doesn’t like miracles!

  120. SFDBWV says:

    It is also interesting that some may look at our steadfast faith and believe us to be gullible. Just as Mart has put forth in this subject.

    Jesus tells us in John 14:12-14 KJV that if we ask anything in His name He will do it.
    In Philippians 4:4-7 to lace your requests with thanksgiving and expect then to receive peace.

    All prayer is some form of request as it may begin by “asking” forgiveness.

    It is even written we lack because we don’t ask.

    Of course James wrote that we don’t get what we ask for because we ask for the wrong things (amiss).

    It is quite the inner battle when we read if we have enough faith we can do all things, and when we can’t it becomes a struggle to wonder if we just don’t have enough faith.

    How many times have any of you ask for something deeply serious and in full concert with what appears to be God’s will only to be left empty handed or with more troubles?

    When such an event occurs are we gullible for expecting positive results or just stubbornly filled with faith?

    Now, yes you will have no shortage of “faith stealers” who will chip away at your faith by telling you, that you lack enough faith or ask “amiss”. I suppose they think they are empowered to answer for God.

    I think to a critical eye faith may look like gullibility, but to an eye fixed on Christ faith may look more like belief and trust.

    Lost power last night around 9pm amid a mixture of rain, sleet and freezing rain. Power back on by 12:40am. Snow early this morning with plummeting temperatures, 14 as I write this and still dropping.

    Every day of life is a struggle, every struggle is eased by prayer and belief and trust in God.

    If that tags me as being gullible then I will accept the idea that I am, whereas Jesus is concerned.

    Steve

  121. jeff1 says:

    I think one of the greatest truths is that in this world we will have tribulation!

    My personal life as a child and right into adulthood has been one of difficulties coupled with bad choices.

    Though all right thinking people have been praying and hoping for peace a bomb in Londonderry this morning reminds us of how fragile our peace is.

    It isn’t so much that we don’t have faith in God but that we underestimate the power of Satan in this world.

    What we have is a promise that we are in this world and not of it so that when suffering and struggles come we can know they are temporary and that God has overcome the world though we are too shortsighted to see it.

    I personally have leaned on the faith of friends when I have found my own faith lacking and that has gotten me through some doubting times.

    In a secular world faith is not encouraged and the truth is we are seen like a dying breed to many.

    I find it gets easier to trust God since I haven’t found anyone who meets my needs but Him.

  122. Beloved says:

    I just got a book on confessions and celebrations and am so blessed as I see more clearly how far short of perfection I fall. And how truly forgiving God is.

    Someone said “I’d rather be wrong now, than not to trust God and find out in the end that its too late. ”

    I used to ask God to please sell off one of His cows (He owns the cattle on a thousand hills) because I needed money, lol! Always the response was “wait”. Usually I found God had other means of meeting my “needs”. I learned to trust Him in the waiting. I’ve never been without food oxygen clothing or shelter of one mind of another. He always provides.

    Adding another thought to this hodge-podge post— miracles. When I was married and asking prayer for my husband to become a Christian I went to a small church that believed in miracles. I went up for prayer, intervening for my husband, and God did perform a miracle, He healed me of TMJ, instantly! I was so surprised as I did not ask for my healing. But I believe God did that to show me I could really trust He was actively involved. It really strengthened my new faith.

  123. Beloved says:

    ..of one KIND OR another.

  124. poohpity says:

    In the hall of faith in Hebrews 11 they had faith even though in their life time they never saw the provision of the promises of God and some of them in their life time did but they never stopped trusting God for them.

    Yes is not the only answer to prayers. Maybe reading John 14 in context of the rest may lead to a different conclusion about asking for anything in my name as Jesus said. Could He be talking about Spiritual matters?

  125. jeff1 says:

    God expects us to remain faithful in good times and bad times otherwise our faith would be conditional.

    God of the mountain

    Life is easy, when youre up on the mountain
    And youve got peace of mind, like youve never known
    But things change, when youre down in the valley
    Dont lose faith, for your never alone

    For the God on the mountain, is still God in the valley
    When things go wrong, he’ll make them right
    And the God of the good times, is still God in the bad times

    The God of the day, is still God in the night
    We talk of faith way up on the mountain
    But talk comes easy, when lifes at its best
    Now its down in the valleys, trials and temptations
    Thats where your faith is really put to the test

    For the God on the mountain, is still God in the valley,
    When things go wrong, he’ll make them right
    And the God of the good times, is still God in the bad times
    The God of the day, is still God in the night
    The God of the day, is still God in the night

  126. poohpity says:

    Do we think because of God’s love for us that He will be gullible and give us anything we ask for like our own personal private genie even if what we ask for will not be good for us in some way? Maybe a human parent would do that but would God?

  127. SFDBWV says:

    In between duties here this morning at minus 2 degrees Fahrenheit. A cold brutal day outside.

    Having read the morning paper, I came across a letter to the editor from someone who was countering a much earlier one published back in November, the 10th I believe, from an acquaintance of mine.

    Gary had written a piece about the evidence of a worldwide flood and his belief in the Biblical account of Noah’s flood.

    This morning rebuttal was biting acrid and insulting to Gary personally, but what caught my attention was the fact that this individual placed all of his belief in modern science. Not being an actual professional scientist himself, he put his trust in what he read from a non-believing secular world.

    It is apparent that not only can we as people be gullible with regards to love, but also with anything that sounds like anything we want to believe.

    I laugh every time I hear the words, “theory of evolution”. The emphasis on “theory” as there is no scientific fact yet discovered that proves evolution. Yet evolution is accepted and taught in schools as if it is “fact” not “theory”.

    I guess what might make a person “gullible” is believing to the point of defending or even denying any opposition to it.

    Does love make us gullible? Maybe it does when we want to believe so desperately that we might put all of our hopes and future existence in it.

    If we are to believe what is written in Scripture, believing God brings positive results whereas not believing Him brings disaster.

    So do I believe that when I enter into prayer with God that He hears me and that He cares about my petitions, or not.

    My petitions may be for myself as well as for others and mostly for their wellbeing and mine here and now, not specifically in a spiritual future.

    Out of time…Minus 1 degree.

    Steve

  128. foreverblessed says:

    The Cross!
    Have been away, and could not read the comments, only now while being logged in.
    Did you all see the red moon?
    How awesome!
    Glory to God who made heaven and earth!

    Just to comment to Beloved:
    ” a dissociative identity disorder, back in the 80’s called multiple personality disorder. ”
    A christian in our country wrote a book, on these miracle of the Cross.
    In it he describes a woman who had been sexually abused as a child. She had the same disorder! She had become a christian, but the disorder remained, after 10 years, and much prayer, a whole support group started to pray and fast over her.
    Then one night, while praying for her, she fell on the floor, and it seemed she was overwhelmed by the Holy Spirit.
    The pastor stayed close to her, but then the Holy Spirit spoke very clear to him: Step aside, this is the work of the Holy Spirit.
    So, puzzled what that meant, he went afar, and waited.
    A long time passed by!

    Then she stood up, and it appeared as if she was made new! Free!
    Then she told them that while she was laying there, that she found herself at the foot of the Cross. And that Jesus was hanging there, and He said: Come close to my heart. He took her up, and held her close to his heart. And everything was black.
    A long time she was held like that!
    Then Jesus let her go, and she was free!
    Jesus, who sets the prisoners free!
    Her multi personality disorder was gone.
    Taken up in the blackness of the Cross.
    It was a mystery what exactly had happened, but she was herself now.

    We have a Cross, not a crutch.
    Glory to God in the highest!

    ( And what is TMA?)

  129. Beloved says:

    Forever,
    TMJ is a temporal mandibular joint disorder, jaw pain basically.

    What happened to me was simular. It was being granted the gift of repentance while still hanging on to a couple “personalities” I thought I needed for support after many others had left through prayer and giving them a place to tell their pain/trauma with caring prayer warriors. I was praying- seeking God as always during worship and suddenly I saw Jesus in the Spirit and He told me I was released and healed! Suddenly my “supports” were gone and there i stood, alone for the first time since I was about 4. 2 counselors I was seeing through the church attested to the healing also. I was 49. I’m still quite fragile, battle worn really, but God loved me enough to see me through the years of turmoil and bring Glory to Himself as I prayed many many times for Him to please take me Home. but He had a plan for this ruined little girl, sexually abused almost daily for some 14 years. God so loved me that He gave His only begotten Son, whom in faith I believe, so will have eternal life with Him. These 69 years or however long I live are nothing compared to eternity, my troubles nothing compared to what many have suffered for the cross of Christ. He lives!

  130. Beloved says:

    Am I gullible about God’s love? You better believe it!

  131. Regina says:

    Good Afternoon, All
    Happy MLK Day! Found out today that this Holiday is also celebrated in other countries (Japan, *Toronto Canada (*not a *paid* holiday) and Holland (the Dr. MLK Tribute and Dinner held on the last Sunday in January). George Washington, MLK and Christopher Columbus are the only figures to have holidays dedicated to them in the U.S.

    Have been away for awhile because I was having computer issues. Had to take my laptop to the Geek Squad because I needed help in 3 areas (anti virus protection, computer speed, and I received email password reset from AT&T).

    Have been thinking about one of the verses that Mart shared in this blog, John 2:23-25… I read the TLB version, “23) Because of the miracles he did in Jerusalem at the Passover celebration, many people were convinced that he was indeed the Messiah. 24-25) But Jesus didn’t trust them, for he knew mankind to the core. No one needed to tell him how changeable human nature is!”

    Wow… Interesting that Jesus didn’t “trust” them. Verse 24 doesn’t say that Jesus knew that they weren’t “trustworthy”, it says, “He didn’t *trust* them.” When Judas Iscariot betrayed Jesus, the betrayal didn’t catch Jesus by surprise. HE was fully aware of Judas’ motives.
    Verse 24 brought to mind that… Jesus –God the Son– didn’t trust them, but we know He loved them. Wow… that helps me understand, on another level, that “love” and “trust” are truly two different emotions.
    The interaction with Jesus and those people that he didn’t trust brought satan to mind… For all of our Christian lives we’ve been taught that he’s our enemy (our only enemy because we don’t wrestle–our spiritual warfare is not– against flesh and blood but against principalities and spiritual wickedness in high places), and that spiritual truth was/is confirmed in our heart and mind by the Holy Spirit.

    Am thinking that Jesus didn’t “trust” them because He knew that they were still in relationship with their father, the devil. My thoughts for now…

    52 degrees and cloudy in my neck of the woods.

    Love to all,
    Regina

  132. Beloved says:

    Regina that was good, I am wondering also if He didn’t trust them because the Holy Spirit had not yet come, and Jesus knew they didn’t have enough power in themselves to even do righteously, no Spirit and Truth yet, also His atonement for all sins was yet to occur.

  133. Beloved says:

    I remember it was prophesied that one of the twelve would betray Him. So I think He expected it. It’s so exciting to match ancient prophecy with outcomes, I think.

  134. poohpity says:

    It is so exciting to know the One(God) who sent the prophesies to us so that we will not be kept in the dark about what the future holds. Revealed to those who are open to hear from Him, those who desire to know Him. God revealed Himself through Jesus and left us with another(Holy Spirit) to guide us into all His truths and His wisdom. One of the great rewards from being born again.

    Regina it is great to have newer translations rather than from the 16th century because great lengths have come about since then in translating the original language into modern English which makes it easier to understand.

  135. Regina says:

    Think I shared this poem years ago… If not, have to share. If so, it’s worthy of a re-share…

    “Myself” (Edgar Guest)

    I have to live with myself, and so,
    I want to be fit for myself to know;
    I want to be able as days go by,
    Always to look myself straight in the eye;
    I don’t want to stand with the setting sun
    And hate myself for the things I’ve done.

    I don’t want to keep on a closet shelf
    A lot of secrets about myself,
    And fool myself as I come and go
    Into thinking that nobody else will know
    The kind of man I really am;
    I don’t want to dress myself up in sham.

    I want to go out with my head erect,
    I want to deserve all men’s respect;
    But here in this struggle for fame and pelf,
    I want to be able to like myself.
    I don’t want to think as I come and go
    That I’m bluster and bluff and empty show.

    I never can hide myself from me,
    I see what others may never see,
    I know what others may never know,
    I never can fool myself– and so,
    Whatever happens, I want to be
    Self-respecting and conscience free.

  136. Regina says:

    You made a good point, beloved, regarding the Holy Spirit having not yet come to earth and the people not having the power to do righteously and walk out the fruit of the Spirit. Your thoughts are in total agreement with verse 25 (The Living Bible)…”Jesus didn’t trust them, for he knew mankind to the core. No one needed to tell him how changeable human nature is!”
    And, yes, even before it was prophesied Jesus knew He would be betrayed by Judas… John 1:1 and 3 comes to mind… “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God.” Verse 3: “Through Him all things were made.”
    I agree, pooh, regarding the benefit of newer translations of the Bible… They definitely help us to better understand the Word of God on a higher level.

  137. jeff1 says:

    Thinking of how we hurt those we love as they are closest to us!

    1 O love that wilt not let me go,
    I rest my weary soul in thee;
    I give thee back the life I owe,
    that in thine ocean depths its flow
    may richer, fuller be.

    2 O light that followest all my way,
    I yield my flickering torch to thee;
    my heart restores its borrowed ray,
    that in thy sunshine’s blaze its day
    may brighter, fairer be.

    3 O joy that seekest me through pain,
    I cannot close my heart to thee;
    I trace the rainbow through the rain,
    and feel the promise is not vain
    that morn shall tearless be.

    4 O cross that liftest up my head,
    I dare not ask to fly from thee;
    I lay in dust life’s glory dead,
    and from the ground there blossoms red
    life that shall endless be.

  138. Beloved says:

    Just to clarify, the Holy Spirit was here already, as we read in the OT many times (prophets), but was not poured out for ALL until Jesus ascended.

    Oh love that will not let me go, I cannot hide myself from thee!!! Indeed!

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